The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - 2022 Draft Night Special: Rounds 2-3

Episode Date: April 30, 2022

The Athletic's Robert Mays, Dane Brugler and Nate Tice analyze each and every pick of rounds 2 and 3 of the 2022 NFL Draft LIVE from Las Vegas, NV.Download Dane Brugler's draft guide THE BEAST at theathletic.com/footballshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Football Show's draft night special. Live from the Athletic Draft House in Las Vegas, Nevada, covering every pick of rounds two and three of the 2022 NFL draft. Featuring Robert Mays and Nate Tice. The athletics draft guru Dane Brugler and more special guests. The Athletic Football Show, we are live from Las Vegas breaking downs, rounds two and three. of the NFL draft. My name is Robert Mays, joining me tonight.

The athletics draft expert, Dane Bruggo Dane, you excited? Very excited. This is your day. Well, tomorrow, today and tomorrow. Your day.

Anybody can talk about round one. Not everybody can dig into the defensive tackle prospect that's sitting there with 118th pick like you can. It's the day for the scouts. But even though, you know,

defensive tackles, you know, centers, things like, quarterback still. We've got quarterbacks out there. that's really what is the main storyline as we go into day two. This run on quarterbacks, when's it going to start? You know, what's the order?

Who's it going to be? We got Seattle, maybe, Tennessee, Atlanta. I mean, there's a lot of maybes in there that could go quarterback, but it's going to be fascinating to see a play out. Speaking of quarterbacks, our quarterback here at the athletic, my good friend, Nate Tyson, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I feel like you want to bring that up so every time you can like reassure yourself

that you beat me in a throwing contest. Oh, yeah, not that long. It was only like two and a half months ago. We got plenty time to train for next year. But no, I think round one is the gateway drug. And then now you just get into harder and harder stuff as this draft goes on. But I know this is, it's going to be fun because this is such a wonky draft that we've said a million times, but also only one quarterback got taken.

So now where they end up? Like where these guys go? Is there of the quarterbacks left? Is there one that has piqued your interest? One that you just keep coming back to him. Man, I can't see. Can't wait to see where he goes. Willis, Malik Willis, and from Liberty, because I just, I'm so curious.

is that what team pulls a trigger on? What team goes, that's our guy. This is the guy we're going to, and what's the situation that he goes into? Is it Seattle? Is it like, you know, hey, you can maybe halfway through to your take over for Drew Locke. Or is it the Vikings, does he end up behind Kirk Cousin, which would actually be an ideal situation. But you just, there's, it's very, very curious which team goes, yeah, we have a plan

for him and that's what we're going to do. Well, Dane, now it's a little bit different when we were talking about Malik Willis at two. You know, obviously that was much more smoke than fire. He falls out of the first round entirely. But it's a different conversation when you're talking about him at 42. Right. Then when you're talking about it in the top 10.

When does he become really interesting to you? Like multiple teams should want to take a shot at this because the tools are such that this is a home run swing. And if you strike out in the 40s, whatever. It's not really a huge deal when it comes to your long-term outlook. I think here in the 30s, 33 until Seattle picks that at what, 39. So, you know, that's, we're going to see some trades here. in the first 10 picks of the second round, who's going to move up?

Is it going to be for a quarterback? There's a lot of noise about, you know, these teams that could be interested. So Malik Willis, and we talked, you know, yesterday how Twitter loves Malik Willis more than NFL teams.

You know, that was some, that we've been talking about that throughout the whole process. But, yeah, now at this point in the draft, yeah, take a swing on that,

that upside, that traits. And with a player like Malik Willis, you feel, you know, it could be some, something. And so at this point in the draft, why not take that chance and see what do you get turned into? Well, there's a couple teams that we're picking at the end of the first round that

maybe their quarterbacky teams, right? Tennessee could be one of those teams. Now the bucks have the 33rd pick. They have needs and they want to win right now, but they have to plan for a world after Tom Brady. Tennessee now moves back to 35 after the Jets move up for Jermaine Johnson. So they're sitting there. The Seahawks at 40 and 41. Atlanta's at 43. I mean, There are some teams now where even if you don't, we talked about yesterday. We didn't love Atlanta taking a quarterback at eight with this class and their timeline. But if at 43 Nate, you like a guy, is it a different conversation? Yes, and it absolutely is.

And that's when we did our quarterback preview show and we were talking about Malik Willis or actually really any of these guys. But Malik especially is that you want to be realistic. It was so, it sounded like kind of like a hater when I was like, you don't want to take this guy in the lottery and everyone's, you know, hyping him up. What about his traits? Oh, look at the Josh Allen. path that's like a one in a million shot and you know you don't you want to hedge against that but now we're talking in the second round it's like yeah this is when you take a chance on these guys with warts these guys that are just more traits based than a finished product so i think that's what

is really like now we're in the second round now i'm like yeah this is fun it's a lot more fun talking about than the top 10 is this chris angel that's chris angel yeah okay that's that's christ angel hanging above the stage in a straitjacket that's essentially scott fitter over the more or less the same position. Oh my goodness. Dane, let's talk about the best players that you have still available in this draft after the first round ended. Walk me through the guys that you're either surprised they didn't go in round one or you think are going to come off the board pretty quickly here as we start round too. Yeah, I honestly don't think there was anybody that really shocked me that didn't go in the first round.

Andrew Booth is my best available, but like we've said, it's injury related. We have no testing on Andrew Booth. We have not seen him since the season. Quad strain, double hernia surgery. So at a position that is very much testing based, we just don't have anything on Andrew Booth. And that's why he's still available. But I think that'll stop at some point here in the second round. Arnold Epicatti, the addresser from Penn State, Nikobi Dean from Georgia, who has some injury stuff of his own, a knee, a peck, nothing too worrisome.

You're not going to pass on them too many times, but not the biggest guy either. So that's why teams are a little lukewarm on Nikobie Dean. And Malik Willis, who we just talked about, Travis Jones, a defensive tackle out of Yukon, Kenneth Walker, who's my top back, but we could very easily see Breece Hall, the top running back drafted today. And then Bernard Raymond, offensive lineman at Central Michigan, Logan Hall, Ed Rusher, defensive tackle out of Houston, who is actually my pick at 33 in my second round mock draft. We'll see how that plays out. And then Jalen Petrie, the safety to do everything, defensive back out of Baylor.

So some really good players that are still available here. looking at a guy like Bernard Raymond is interesting to me, Nate, just because this is a range where you've got to tackle that he's not super exciting when you watch him, but he gets the job done. And like second round is where sometimes you can get those offensive tackles that are just get the job done guys. And if you're a team that just needs a spot right tackle this year specifically, he's a guy that after he goes, it's a slightly different conversation for the

offensive tackles that are going to be left. Yeah, it's weird. He's a unique prospect because he's 25 and everything. And you could see him still developing his game because he's converted a tight end. And he's really a technician. I was very surprised when I watched him how well he used his hands and how well he moved, a little more short-armed. But that's a guy that, like, a good team gets. And yes, does he have the star upside that you, like, all you want every draft pick to have? No, but having a quality starter in the second round, I want to be it works. It's how it works.

And all of a sudden you get a guy that now you, if you had a good old line and that's like the finishing piece, it's like, oh, this is our fifth starter. Oh, my God, that's a great situation to have. So guys like that, those guys are important. And you can really find good quality starters, especially in the second round. And that's a great point about how technically sound he is for a player that made the transition from tight end to tackle during a pandemic. Not only did he make that transition, but also during the pandemic. And that's, you know, that's not easy to do.

This is a player that never played offensive line in his life until March of 2020. So, and just a great person, one of the best interviews that I did over the last calendar year, there's a lot to like about Bernard Raymond. I have a question for both of you guys. Yeah. Is there a quarterback that would shock you if he's the first name, the first of the quarterbacks to go tonight? Any of these quarterbacks left, would it shock you?

If Howell went first, I'd be pretty stunned. But just... What about Corral? Would you be surprised if a corral? Personally, yes. But seeing that he went to the stage in Las Vegas, I think he knows maybe something, or maybe his agent was really going,

hey, you're fine. But you never know with that. But I would say Howell would be a little interesting to me just because of the buzz about him and what teams I think make of him. Yeah, I mean, I really think it's wide open with how these, you know, teams view these quarterbacks and the different fits and whether they want someone that they can be patient on or if they want someone that's maybe more ready to go this year, that kind of thing. So it will really be interesting. And, I mean, you know, okay, the bucks are on the clock right now.

Having that first pick in the second round, they fielded a lot of calls, I'm sure. And so anything that interested them or if they feel good about Logan Hall or one of these guys that could. be Travis Jones. You know, they've got some good players to choose from. They trade it out of the first round. So this will be their first pick of the 2022 NFL draft. Do you remember when the draft was just Saturday, Sunday? And then the first pick of the fourth round used to be like the sexiest girl to dance.

Prettyest girl to dance. I'm sorry. Yeah, but it's like that was the one that always had the movement, always had the stuff. And so that's, which is so funny that like now that's become the second round, the first pick of the second round. Because all these teams are sitting overnight now. And they have times to, you know, let plans formulate and all that. So it's just really funny how these days have shifted.

And now it changes kind of like how the rest of the teams get. My baseball coach, my senior year of high school, still mad at me for skipping a game that Saturday of the draft. Because, sorry, draft takes precedent. So that was back on Saturday, Sunday. You come by this honestly. Yeah, no, of course, yeah. I don't hide it.

So rounds one, two, three on Saturday and then four through seven on Sunday. And, yeah, sorry, coach. Draft's the priority right now. The bucks went from 27 to 33. They picked up an extra fourth. throwout pick in the process. And, Dan, if you look at the players available, what their needs were, when the guards were gone, it made sense probably for them to start moving back because the other glaring

hole, you mentioned Travis Jones, you mentioned Logan Hall. Defensive tackle feels like the spot where if they're not going to go guard, that's where their roster is the thinest. There aren't that many options. The roster is pretty good at most places. And this is not a great defensive tackle class. If you're going to just power rank the positions in this year's draft from best to worst, you know, deepest, the thinnest, defensive tackles towards the bottom.

There's just not many guys that you think can come in and give you that impact. Whether you're looking for the more of the penetrator, if you're looking for more of the run stopper, there's some different styles of defensive tackle in this class, but it's not a deep group. Two pretty good ones and two different ones with Logan Hall. Logan Hall is a guy that's at inside, outside versatility. You think that you could play them at different spots, 6-6-2-80, a young player, you know, someone that should have redshirted, but they needed him out there.

So he's a four-year senior, but a guy that's still learning in a lot of ways. And then with Travis Jones, you almost kind of forgot about him because Yukon has been a wasteland of a football program the last how many years. But explosive dude. And a guy that at the Senior Bowl is like, all right, a guy this explosive that can move like that has that type of power, he's a top 50 pick. There's no doubt about it. The question now is just does he get into the first round?

He missed the first round, but we're going to hear him. His name called up here pretty quickly tonight. And when you're looking at the contours, kind of the makeup of the Bucks roster, JPP's gone, Domk and Sue, those are the spots where, even if those are aging players and you expected them to move on, they need to be replaced. And that's where they're trying to say, right, where can we build more depth, even if we're a fairly complete team Nate in this moment, if you're Tampa, there's still areas like, all right, how can we solidify this and kind of prevent ourselves, insulate ourselves

from injury, a couple different spots. Yeah, when we, I sound like a broken record, but when I was doing my mock, but like going through the bucks, there were actually one more. of experience. It really is because I've read them my whole life, just like you missing a game on Saturday and stuff. That's what draft weekend was my like at 12 years old.

Oh my goodness. I remember my dad took Troy Williamson. We are all such huge losers. I remember even at 15, I was like, really? We're the top 10, huh? But no, when I was doing this, too small. Even back then it's too small for you. Gadget guys, man. Why do you think it's burning in my brain? So, but doing the bucks though, it was like, I don't really see

that, you know, I don't see them needing that but it was like, I think they build the lines. I think that I'm just agreeing with what you guys are saying here. But that's why even like a Logan Hall actually makes a ton of sense because what the bucks like to do on base downs and then third down, get their best guys out there, move them around a little bit, kind of like wad up the front on base downs. And when they get the subsets, that's what Todd Bulls does.

And that's a guy that can do that because he can maybe bump inside, be on outside, depending on who else they have on passing downs. So that's like a great trait that he might bring to the table. Dan, when there are classes that are thin, when do you start thinking it's a long-term trend? Because edge rusher is a great example, right? Last year, the edge rushing class was bleak. There's nobody.

I mean, Jalen Phillips, I believe it was the first guy off the board, the back after the first round. You had all these guys getting paid in free agency because everyone was so afraid of what the edge rushing class would look like. This year, edge rusher is the best position in the draft. So how do you kind of think about that and taking a long-term view positionally with that stuff? Yeah, that's a great question. And I think defense attack.

Here's a pick for the bottom. There's a TV out there. Here we go. And with the 33rd pick in the 22 NFL draft, Tampa Bay Buccaneers select. Logan Hall. There we go. There we're talking about it.

It makes sense. Look at Simeon Rice. Right? That's Simeon. I didn't know. I was wondering who that was. Oh, my goodness. What is Isaac Bruce doing up there?

I know. Wow. He's got to wait less than I do right now. That's incredible. Good for him. He's doing great. No, this makes a ton of sense. So, I mean, yeah, we're talking about this. I mean, obviously, this is something.

One of the guys we thought was potentially a fit here. He goes here. It makes all the sense in the world. It feels like with their needs and what he can give us. And Danes one for one on his party. They could have taken him last night. Oh, yeah, okay. That makes perfect sense.

But they were able to move back a couple spots and still get their player. I mean, he's an easy player to like, I think, because of, You know, there's, you like what he is now, but you also like what he's going to grow into. I mean, there's upside there. Oof. Yeah. We got to straight right off the bat. Showing it right now.

What I watched him, it was like, I compared him to like a poor man's Eric Armstead. Like, that's kind of what's a diet co-person of that. That's a good, that's a good call. Where did he spend most of his snaps thing? Inside. Okay. As a more of a three technique. Okay.

Dana Holgersen, the coach of Houston called him the best defensive tackle. He's ever coached. And so there's, but he's a. he's 6-6-2-80. So he's got that frame where a little bit of a tweener. But he's also the efforts outstanding, makes plays all over the field, can win with quickness. That's why I like them as an edge rusher. Because give him a little bit of a runway, get those first two steps of acceleration,

and, you know, he can open doors with his quickness or his power. Speed of power moves. You're a team like Tampa who plays a ton of base fronts on early downs. You put them as a five technique, and then you play with them on passing downs. What the Bucks do with their guys, especially on sub-downs is they, they, pin their ears back and go. They don't do a ton of games with their guys. They like to just push the pocket on guys.

He's perfect for that. Packers moving up here to the 34th pick. Oh, it's going to be pickings, and it's going to be the Bears aren't going to get them and I'm going to lose my mind. Well, it's got to be Malik Willis, right? I mean, aside from the quarterback run, when's that wide receiver run?

Yeah. Because we thought it was coming last night. We thought that wide receiver run. The first six went to top 18 picks, and then, okay, when's that next one? And it might be here with the Packers at 34? I don't know. I think they go,

Willis. Look how much juice they got out of Rogers after the draft Jordan Love. They're trying to get that one more time. Just running it back. Spark it up a little bit like that. Yeah, but no, that's this next receiver tier because there's a ton of good day to you guys

that we all look at. And it's really, that's the other one. I do like Alex Pierce a lot. But that's over Skymore. I like, I'm always going to defer to size. So yeah, that's where I go with. I also have Pickens about that same tier for me with him and Pierce. And then if I took a step down,

I liked Skymore and Khalil Shakir. That was kind of like, of my four, also because I've just an obligation, I have to mention Justin Ross. I have a second round rate on him, but he won't go until tomorrow. But those four is my next four for receivers. So it sounds like the Packers gave up both of their second round picks. Someone they love. The one they got in the Devonte Adams trade, obviously.

And then they went up and got, they're getting one player with both of those picks, which that's an aggressive move. Please be your front seven defender. That's amazing. I think this is Piggins. I like that. When you look at what happened yesterday, I mean,

and just their receiver depth chart, we, so many people talked about the chiefs potentially needing receiver. We discussed this last night. Chiefs can play with the guys they got right now. I mean, it's not ideal. You want somebody that has a little bit more long-term outlook

and maybe more upside over the next three to four years, but the Packers are not in that situation. The Minnesota Vikings have tried it, the 34th pick to the Green Bay Packers. Look at Aaron Jones. With the 34th pick, in the 22, 2022 NFL draft,

the Green Bay Packers select Christian Watson. Wow. Receiver North Dakota All right. There's a lot of smoke here. I don't know if I should ask you this because you're going to make Packers fans sad.

You are not a Christian Watson. I am not. I think he plays on. No. Dane really reassured me with my like lukewarmness with Christian Watson. I think it's just, everyone saw the traits and he's a senior bowl bump and all that.

But when you watch him and you're, yes, Coast State, which is quote unquote a small school. It's a very well-coached small school. And it's very worrisome when you watch these FCS guys and they're not standing out. You want to watch these guys and they want to be the, that's the best player on the field. Trevor Penning. I mean, when you watch him, he's, okay.

Who's the NFL prospect? Okay, oh, right there. And when you watch him, he's only playing 33% of their snaps. He's rotating. And that's alarm bells are going off for me. Lack of production and everything. He tested like crazy. And I get that.

It's ridiculous. I'm looking at it right now. And the thing is when you watch him, he's an average route runner at this point in time. He's more of a deep threat. And actually, that's where they're shown on ESPN right now. But the thing was, he's not high pointing balls. Like what I love about Drake London, those big receivers, Alec Pierce, they're high point. They're catching those 50-50 balls.

He plays small. It's almost him and Jahan Dotson couldn't be any more opposite. And Jahad Dotson's 5-7, 180 soaking wet. And that's what, that has me a little bit worried. And then this is what got everyone excited, that he's six-four running these reverses. and it's just it's very straight on and everything he's not running guys over so it's yeah that it was just a lot of alarm bells are going off dan we overstate what a draft rise looks like you know it's about travon walker's a great example right you had trayvon walker months ago 100% it's christian watson

exception that do you think that he helped himself a lot during the process there's no question uh i mean talking to scouts in november december when you talk about christian watson it was more fourth round fifth round wow yes it was no i yeah i mean you did not hear now we got the packers giving up two picks to go get him at 34. 6-4, 210 pounds, running 4-3-6, running a sub-7 second three cone. It's freaky. Yeah, I mean, you have, there's a lot of things that go in for him that, you know, the traits, the tools, okay, I understand. I get it.

But the tape just does not wow you, like everything you said. And he's Rosser route runner. The hands are not ideal where you want them. But we know the Packers. They love size at that position. And, you know, they're going to go after players that they feel like, you know, the athleticism is there. So we have the Titans now. Titans pick is in.

Wow. I was ready to go on one rant. I killed all the time. Oh, why shows Johnson? All right. Here we go. With the 35th pick in the 2022 draft, NFL draft, the Tennessee Titans select, Roger McQuarrie, defense is back. Auburn University.

Tennessee, excuse me, Dan, what do you think of McCreary? Easy guy to love on tape. And then he was, we talked about him on the podcast as a guy that maybe we're overthinking a little bit. Yeah. Because, you know, the short arms, really short arms. The lack of elite speed running a four-five in the 40-yard dash. But just throw on the iron bowl tape and watch him cover out there. I mean, this guy is sticky inside outside, the ball awareness.

A guy that could have came out last year as a junior, I think would have been a top 100 pick if he did. goes back for a senior year and it played really well in the SEC, one of the few bright spots on that Arboran defense. So, I mean, you can see him against top competition. You can see him against Jamar Chase. You can see him against John Mechie. You can see him go off against some really good wide receivers and hold his own. So even though he does not check a lot of the boxes size speed-wise,

there's still a lot of things to hang your hat on with him as an inside-outside versatile corner. What do you think this says about Caleb Farley? because they already have Christian Fulton there. They drafted Elijah Moore last year was fantastic in the slot. And now they're spending the top 35 pick on another corner. That makes me wits a little bit. It does.

And it's actually kind of funny. It's like this is Mr. elite size John Robinson, you know, a little shorter arm guy. That's kind of like a kind of interesting. Well, Molden doesn't check physical boxes. No,

that's why he fell to third round, which should have went a round higher than that. So that's interesting. No, but this, he's a good football. player. Like, he just is. That's when you watch this guy, and I can see why Tennessee would take him right there. But it's just interesting.

Titans are going to do some Titans things and what their size and what they like at the position. He's more of a football player than kind of like a tritee corner. And I think that's probably what appeals to them because they like their football players. You know, that's what Mike Frable likes. If I can play Devils Advocate for a second with Watson, going back to the Packers, if you look at the things that happen with Greenback, the guys they lost his off season, losing MVS and Devante Adams, I want to say they lost like 52%

of their team air yards. I mean, they don't really have that guy. Alan Lazzar is obviously a bigger presence, but he's not that downfield guy in the same way that Watson might be with those traits. So they probably looked at the entire class and said, this is our chance to find that field stretchers, that element in our offense

that we currently do not have. Such a good point. He's an MVS replacement, not a Devante replacement. No one really can be, but that is what I think they're thinking. He's their blocker. and they're vertical guy. And that's why they get size and speedy guys. I get the swing on him.

It's just pretty rich. That's just how I feel about it. But you don't get those traits everywhere. And that's why in my mock, I went Christian Watson to the Packers. I think it does make a lot of sense for that team. And I don't think this is, even though we're not the biggest fans, it's not an egregious pick here. It's not.

Yeah. I mean, I would, Skymore, to me, he's a better player, but he's also a very different player. Yes. So, you know,

that's a big part of this as well. I understand, you know, the fit here. Jets trading up here, they're leapfroar. They're moving up two spots. So they're leapfrogging the Texans. That's interesting. You know, you're, I mean, yes, you're guarding against a potential trade-up from another team, but you're looking to get ahead of the Texans here.

I don't know. Could it be an offensive line? It's the one position that they didn't draft yesterday that we thought they could have drafted. But they actually Raymond actually wouldn't be terrible. Bernard Raymond, yeah. Raymond wouldn't be terrible there. I'm trying to just think who else could a bit. So I don't want to belabor the point with Green Bay.

But now when you make that trade for Devante, when you trade away Devonthe and you get all these picks, all these picks sound amazing. You know, it's like there are a million different variations of what those picks could end up being. Now we know what they are. Yeah. It's Devante Wyatt and one receiver and Christian Watson.

So now you're out of second round picks. You're picking on day in the third round now eventually. Their receiving core, as it currently stands, is going to be Alan Lazard, Sammy Watkins, Christian Watson, Randall Cobb, Randall Cobb, and Amari Rogers. That's it. That's a team that wants to win a Super Bowl right now.

How do you feel about that? In my Watson, in my report on him, I graded him as a wide receiver four, as a rookie, with wide receiver two upside, you know, down the road. But down the road might be, you know, week six for this team. with where they're going to need him. So that's going to be interesting to see how they, you know, work him into the offense and what they ask him to do.

I mean, it's a good thing he likes green and yellow. Like what they were at North Dakota State with the bison because all his gear is going to translate. Big win for Christian Watson. I think he went to plant high school in Tampa. He did. Aren't they green and yellow too? Oh, that's a good question.

I think they might be. Yeah, but dude went from Tampa to North Dakota State and he's just staying in the getting colder. Staying in the upper Midwest. He's doing the opposite of what I did. I was like, nah, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going.

I love what the Jets did. yesterday. I mean, yeah, they had three first round picks, so they should have done well. But to get the corner, to get the playmaker, and then get the pass rusher, that's, that's awesome. And I mean, Joe Douglas and Coach Sala, they're doing a lot of good things there to improve that roster. And now they're trading up to get, the 36 picks in the New York Jets. Look at it. Look at that is. With the 36 picks in the 2022 NFL draft, the New York Jets select, Breeze Hall. I was going to say, I was going to say it because they, that's what you had a whole going to Texas.

And so that's okay. To get in front of the Texans, Breese Hall, that's who you're thinking here. That's interesting. I mean, the judges, they drafted Michael Carter last year and what the fourth. Fourth. And he had an okay year. But just medicals is always with him too. Yeah, right.

But Bruce Hall is different. I mean, he's a guy that, and who did you compare him to earlier? Levy on Bell. There you go. Okay. Well, it's, you know, that going back to the Jets now, a guy that doesn't really have a true weakness, I don't think so. You know, I don't think that his tape necessarily holds up to the testing numbers. Yeah, I agree with that.

But he's just a really, really good all around back. Yep, he really is three downs. And, you know, like most college backs, okay, short, pass protection. But the thing is, his eyes were fine and all that. So, but everything else, he's a patient runner. And I agree with you. I thought he was going to run like a four or five two. Yeah.

And I think a lot of us did. Right. But he's a very patient runner. He's got really good vision. He's got good hands. He has some receiving production. Yeah, just an all-round three-down back. Like, it's just what you need out of modern big back.

He can do all that. When you look at the testing, and I don't want to make this all about testing, but in this range of the draft, the monster testers have been the ones that have hit in the second round. You think about Nick Chub, Jonathan Taylor, and you look at just his overall physical frame, the 40, everything else, those dice rolls have tended to work out at that position compared to other physical profiles.

Nate, I'm interested. How do you think that the Michael Carter, Breeshall pairing works? Because now it feels like you've got a 217 pound back now who can take some of the beating on early downs. It almost allows Michael Carter slip into a role that is more appropriate for who he is. Like in college.

Yeah, right? And I remember right in that last year, it's like he will ideally be part of a one-two punch where he can beat the change-up. And it's just really saving him carries, like saving him touches. It's just like a pitcher in innings. It's like, no, keep them with 10-and-under.

but keep him 10 under it because he can't withstand those hits. But I love that pair. I think they're two very good backs. Jalen Petrie, DB from Baylor. We were talking about Petrie before the show started, Dane. I mean, just somebody who does a little bit of everything. And for a Texan's defense that picks Derek Singly in the first round is going to be remaking a ton of what they're doing on the back end with Justin Reed now gone.

This just feels like somebody who can fill a lot of roles for them. If there's a honey badger in this class, it's Jalen Petrie. And average size, he's 5-11, just under, 200 pounds, but you love the production. You love the versatility. I mean, how many safeties have you seen have 18 tackles for loss? It's so fun watching. Yeah, I mean, because the way he played that star position in Dave Aranda's defense.

So line him up in the slot, line him with the box, as an edge rusher, he's all over. But he does have some of those quick reaction skills, has the range. There's a lot to like about the versatility with how you line them up, whether it's as a nickel, whether it's as a true safety. He can do so many things for you. I know, and Lovie has liked those slot corners, you know, I know he's not a corner, he's a safety, but those slot players, those dynamic slot players. I mean, that's huge in whatever defense he wants to do. But pairing him with Stingley, I mean, that's really fun.

It's really cool watching these guys in college, especially these positions you're not expecting him. He's going against tackles and trying to do pass rushing moves on them, like still moves and stuff. So just a fun player to watch, like one of the more fun watches when you're studying guys. You look at the Texas secondary right now, the guy's currently on that roster. These guys like Eric Murray, Stephen Nelson, Desmond King. The Texas roster is full of those guys. It's a lot of short-term bets. And we've talked about this.

There's nobody on that team preventing them from going any direction they want to positionally. So now you go two guys in the secondary pretty early in this draft. We talked about them, Dana, as a potential Kyle Hamilton team. And then now they go safety in the second round instead. Right. And, you know, this is a coach's dream in a lot of ways. I mean, because you talk to the coaches of Baylor, they just won't shut up about them. the way he prepares, the way that he studies the game,

how important it is to him. And then, of course, on the field. So, interesting, we have the Falcons moving up here to 38. Do we see the quarterback run start here? That's what it feels like in front of Seattle. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay. Or it's getting in front of Chicago for George Pickens, maybe.

Double up, Drake Longwood. All monsters all across. Yeah, why not? Oh, look at that draft room. I used to have to take off the cap when they go, hey, we're going to be on camera. I used to have to walk up and take off the. kept because I was tall and didn't need the stool.

There you go. A little insight, a little draft insight. This is interesting. I mean, for an Atlanta team, we talked about this yesterday, they're in a similar boat to the one of the Texans were in where they could go in a million different directions and they're moving up for somebody kind of sets off some alarm bells. I'm very curious. We said there are going to be some trades and we've had a few here already.

Packers moving up for Watson. The Jets moving up for Brees Hall. Now the Falcon is moving up. you know, who's their guy? This will be an interesting, because like we talked about, this is a team that needs everything. Yeah, and it's kind of what I mean.

Moving up, being that aggressive when you need everything. Right. It's not necessarily something you'd expect. I don't want to keep their bullets. Yeah. We'll see. They didn't give up a ton.

I think they gave up a $1. I think they gave up a hundred. I think was $1.14 to move on a few. So, I mean, yeah, they only moved up a few spots. So second and a fourth to move up here. But, yeah, they. Safeties are left.

We got, you know, Brisker, and then trying to think who else. but they wouldn't do that, I don't think. It's hard for the- 38 was the Jets. The Jets moved back. Yes. We'll see.

It's tough because realistically, this team could go in any direction. Nothing would surprise me here. And that's, you know, just kind of state of where they are. But, yeah, they moved up, what, six spots here? So it took a fourth rounder to move up six spots. And Atlanta has a couple of picks today,

a couple more picks today. Yep, they got 58 later this draft. So they have the pick from the Hulio deal, and then they had the pick from the Matt Ryan trade as well. So they've got a little bit of ammunition to play with. You know, it's not those multiple first round picks that so many other teams have had, but they have accumulated some more capital over the last few months. Look at the team needs.

Oh, you can list them all. You can list them all. You can list all of them. With all due respect, everything. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly what it feels like. And that's why them trading up here is interesting.

Yeah. But, you know, what you're saying, once you get in the hundreds, it's kind of like, you know, we love a guy. And we really love a guy, let's be aggressive. Let's go. Put these quarters together and get a nice dollar out. That's exactly what it feels like. Losses life on this day, April 29, 2005 in Iraq.

Go ahead. You take a bow. I got you. All right. You can wait for that. So, yeah, I mean, it's, this is a team that, yeah, like you mentioned, Dana. I mean, just every single thing could be on the board for them. And is there somebody?

you really like here. If it's not a quarterback, is there somebody that you feel like, oh, okay, that makes sense. They want to move up for him in this moment. I mean, just looking at the best available, you know, it's a lot of guys we've been talking about with Corner. I mean, could they go that direction? Nacobobey Dean. Corner might be the one position they don't.

Yeah, really, it is. I say Alvers going to be a free agent after the season. I mean, Casey Hayward's 34 years old. A lot of other things to consider there. A decent track record going with Clemson Corner, so, you know. One worked out well. Casey Hayward's 32. I'm sorry for Casey Hayward making him as old as me. I feel bad about that.

Okay, let's go. With the 38th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Atlantic Falcon select Arnold M.U.K.K. T. Linebacker, Penn State. All right. So, of all the needs that the Falcons had, past Russia might have been the worst.

if you look at where they ranked last season in every single past rush category. Yes, it might have been the biggest need that they had. They had 18 sacks last season. 18. The next closest team in the league was at 29, which is Philadelphia. They had a 16.7% pressure rate last year, which was dead last in the league.

Only two teams were below 20, and they were at 16.7. So they needed everything. They might have needed an edge rusher more than anything, Dan. Yeah, and I think there's a little bit of a, not a drop-off because this edge rush the class is so deep, but this was a guy that could have gone last night, like Logan Hall,

and no one would have flinched. And so, Ebiketti, born in Cameroon, great story, went to Temple, wasn't really thought of as a prospect, and he transfers to Penn State for his final year,

and leads the team in sacks, nine and a half, leads the team in tackles for loss, was 17, the Twitch that he plays with, the length that he plays with, and no other player that I scouted this year, made more plays from farther away from where he started

the normal enough Ketti. He does not quit. His chase is great. Oh, constantly. I mean, nobody told him that, hey, why don't you know, take a few plays off if it's away from you, he will go. So we know Penn State can churn out these guys. We saw, you know, last year with away in the first round. Epicetti is a good player.

So, you know, I understand why they made this move up. Yeah. I had Epicetti going two picks later to Seattle. So, you know, just going to Seattle picked. Right. Yeah. Just going by my mock, he would not have been there at 43 for the Falcon. Well, looking at your draft guide, it does feel like there is a tier drop after Epicetti.

If you wanted a pass rusher, this might have been the chance to get the guy who could maybe start for you day one, be an impact player early on. I mean, Deonté, Lee, when we were talking about pass rushers coming into the draft, he loved him. Yeah. I mean, he thinks he's better than O way, or excuse me, Moffay. I mean, it's better than all those guys pretty definitively. So if you agree with that, then I think this potentially could make sense for that. Because after Epiquetti, we're talking about.

about, okay, are we willing to take David Adjabo? Yes. With the injury stuff there. And boy, Maffei, I'm not as high on him as a lot of other people. The testing is great, but he's a suspect run defender. And kind of what we're talking about, Christian Watson, you're this type of athlete. I want to see you dominate. And same thing with Boy, Maffay.

I just want to see you dominate, you know, playing at Minnesota like that. So now the bear is on the clock. So the stage is yours. Yeah. What direction you're going on it? I really don't want it. It's hard not to want a receiver after everything that's happened this off season. When you're looking at the ways that it's happened for other teams,

you draft a quarterback in the first round, the clock starts ticking instantly. Instantly. You only have a few years to really get the most out of that. And they just haven't been aggressive. And I can understand that. This is a team that they walked into a terrible situation. I mean, when you don't have any resources, when you don't have any picks, and when you don't have any players,

it's tough to even know how you're going to start building a team. And that's where the Bears were. That's why the Cluel Mac trade happens. And they didn't have a ton of financial flexibility in free agency. They had some, but not a ton. And so I just think that they have to start helping fields somehow, some way. If you're going to gather some information about him this year, if you're going to be able to understand what he is, eventually he needs some help.

The wide receiver depth chart right now looks like, because Alan Robinson's no longer there. So, you know, we're talking about it. and Pringle, Darno, Mooney, and Equamini and St. Brown. Right. So that's where you are. Not ideal. That's where he are. And so, and offensive line is not a ton better.

If you look at the offensive tackle situation right now, it's Larry Boreham and Taven Jenkins. Yeah. So, I mean, this is, you're thinking your players. Yes. And Borem was a fifth round pick. I mean, you were just slotting him in as one of your starting tackles. I think that's a little bit aggressive.

I just think that some help on offense would be fantastic. But, I mean, this is a team that chased Larry Oakenjobie in free. in free agency and was going to pay him big time. And right now doesn't have that penetrating three technique. They don't have a second edge rusher after trading away Kaville-Mack. They are so far away from being a contending roster. And that's why I can understand going in a bunch of different directions here. But at the same time, there's so much invested in Justin Field's success.

Maybe not from this regime because they didn't draft him, but for me. Emotionally, there is so much invested in whether or not, this guy sinks or swims. And I just want, I need them to throw him a life raft in order to help that process along. You speak for every Bears fan right now. It's just, I understand it either way. If this is, I'm now with Logan Hall off the board, I think that maybe there's not that. Or if it's Perry and Winford, right?

It is that penetrating three technique. I'm going to just sit here and stew, but I'm going to understand it in the end. I'm going to get over it. But I really would love at some point today for them to start building up that offense and giving their 11, overall pick, we traded away an extra first rounder for you, quarterback a chance. They have three picks today, right? So two picks in the second, another pick in the third.

So even if it is not a receiver here, you know, it's not like they're totally ignoring the position. We won't go that far just yet. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would be nice if someone made a play for Justin Fields. Like, that was. And that's why Pickens is so different than the guys they have right now, right? That's why exactly.

And he needs ballwings. Oh, look at this king roll out here. Just a look at this guy. Matt Forte is walking out on the stage right now. With the 39th pick in the 2002 NFL draft, Chicago Bears select DB from Washington, Kyler Gordon. Okay. Okay. Ryan Poles, first draft pick as a general manager in the NFL.

They need corners too. And that's the frustrating part about this is that I'd love some help for Justin Fields. But if you look at the cornerback depth chart other than Jalen Johnson, it's a wasteland. This team, similar to other teams we've talked about, the Giants, the Falcons, other teams that should have been drafting in the top 10, they gave their pick to the Giants. They're closer to the beginning than the end. Yes. This team really is in the early stages of building this roster. They need almost everything.

And so I can understand wanting to go this direction. What do you think of Gort just on a position, on a prospect level? There's a lot of things alike. It does not have that elite straight line speed that you want from a corner. But the change of direction, the short area quickness is outstanding. He's a really aggressive player. He is not afraid to lay the wood on a receiver or running back and run support. So you love that mentality.

In terms of route recognition, in terms of, you know, kind of working through things, a little bit of work in progress. He doesn't pick things up as easily as like a Trent McDuffie, his teammate at Washington. And that there's a pretty stark difference when you're watching both those guys at the same time. But there's still things alike about him with the physical. Cali that he plays with. Like I said, he's a really good athlete. This is a guy that grew up dancing and grew up kung fu, a lot of karate and things like that. So that develops his flexibility at a young age. But a guy that I wasn't as high on when we started talking about

him as a first rounder. But this is, I understand here. Right. Yeah, exactly. So I did like a lot of things he has to offer. Yeah. When I watched him, I was actually pleasantly surprised watching him. I was like, you know, because that always happens. You watch the one corner or one position. the other guy is also draft eligible and everyone's trying to make that guy a thing. And like, yeah, I think Danail it on the head. And they're showing highlights, which is a great kind of synopsis of it, is that he is, he's not scared to be physical. And what they're going to need out that corner position,

he can read that kind of the high lows. We're talking about McDuffie doing this as well. It'll translate to what Chicago wants to do on defense. That's actually kind of nice. Like he, he'll be more kind of apt to play in that kind of like feel for the system, like kind of like playing high low. He also can play in the slot. They had a good clip right there.

there actually of him, guard in Drake 1 and made a nice play on the ball. But that's what's nice about him. It's kind of a useful player. Maybe without that kind of like superstar upside, of course, he's a second round corner, but he's useful.

And I think it's like more of a starter quality corner, which is nice to get. Ideally, you want a corner that's going to look with more ball production. I mean, in 33 career games in college, he had an interception in one game. So he actually had two interceptions in that game,

but just only one game of the 33. So, you know, ideally you want more than that. on a DB that's getting his hands on the football. But, yeah, I mean, you love the aggressiveness. There are times where, especially with play action, I mean, you can draw him out of phase. His eyes are always peeking.

Yeah, exactly. And he doesn't have that speed to necessarily quickly catch up and when he loses a step. But there's a lot of things I like about him as well. That's what's funny. You watch, like, you get spoiled sometimes watching the NFL. And then you see like Jaylon Ramsey peeking in the backfield and then recovering and hit the ball.

And they're like, yeah, okay, coach that up. And then you're like, oh, yeah, no, these guys are six one, 34-inch arms can run like a deer. So it's like, yeah, you have to take some of the warts with these guys. If you're looking at the Bears cornerback depth chart right now, opposite Jaylon Johnson, you got Kendall Vildore and some combination of him and Thomas Graham, who they drafted in the sixth round last year. Yeah.

I mean, there are holes all over this thing. And it's never, it's not going to happen fast. They have so many needs. It was never going to happen in a single offseason. So as much as you, as much as I and other Bears fans might want some help for the quarterback, there are a bunch of different directions that could have gone and this doesn't surprise me the least.

Are we surprised at all that were seven picks in and no quarterbacks yet? Where would it have been? Well, a trade up or, the falcons move I thought was possible. I think that up

because now we're at Seattle with two back-to-back picks here. This is where we could see, possibly see a quarterback. And, you know, they worked out, Desmond Ritter is the only quarterback that they brought in for a 30 visit.

But they did work out a lot of these guys you know, they're connected with Matt Corral at the Combine, and they were connected with, you know, all these different quarterbacks in a different way. So they could go that direction here. It'll be interesting with these quarterbacks. Talk me through the idea of a team 30 visit for quarterbacks, because there are some franchises that they'll bring in every quarterback.

Even if they are not set to draft a quarterback, even if they don't necessarily want one in that draft, they want to talk to all of them. You talk about the Seahawks. They're probably in the quarterback market. They brought in one guy. How do teams philosophies differ when it comes to those 30 visits for quarterbacks? I mean, probably for a team like the Seahawks, it was more, okay, who didn't we get a great read on at the Combine?

You know, because at the Combine, those meetings, those formals where you could put them on the whiteboard and get a sense for exactly what's going on in his mind with protections and coverages. In the 2020 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Boye-Moffay, linebacker, Minnesota. That makes sense. Good chance that the falcons snipes at Bucetti. This is their plan B'i with Boy, Moffay. So, I mean, we just got done talking about him. There are things alike. But again, I just wanted to see him dominate more.

I just wanted to see it. When you have a guy that is that size and can jump 41.5 inches in the vert and has a 4-540 at 250 plus pounds, there's a lot of things alike about him as an athlete at that size, but still just wanted a little bit more out of him. So, again, one of these guys that if he went in the first round, that would have been that would have been tough but here once we get we're in the 40s now yeah I understand why you're going to take a swing on a player with his type of traits yep no it totally

makes sense and yeah with epicetti gone like that's that was we're getting to the the traitsy the ends the tratesy edges where you're just like oh I see a flash there I'm squinting I can maybe see this guy doing this for 30 40 snaps a game and that this is the epitome of that is you're taking you're grading to the flash with him right you're taking those three to four plays you seen the game and going like, well, all right, well, maybe we can hone it in and get 20 of those as opposed to just three or four. And I totally agree with you. I thought I was going to watch him be like, oh, he's a Minnesota guy. So that's why he's not really getting a lot of pub and all that. And I watched him, I was like, okay. It was fine. But you're betting on that you just, you know,

hone in what he can do and everything. And you're betting on the traits. That's exactly the range we're into. Yeah, seven sacks this year and 13 games. I mean, just good tape, but nothing that blows you way. I'm interested in what the Seahawks defense is going to look like this year because they signed a Chennauosu from the Chargers. They brought in Sean Desai and Carl Scott. Sean Desai, who ran a ton of Vic Fangio concepts last year, is from that tree. I'm wondering just the makeup of their defense, what it ends up looking like, what role Nuwosu plays, how they use Mafei. I just think that's a unit in transition in a way that I feel like is worth paying attention to. The 2022 NFL draft.

Seattle picking again. The Seattle Seahawks select Kenneth Walker, running back from Michigan State. This is Chris Carson. I mean, that's interesting. Wow. So they addressed the backfield, just not the quarterback like we thought they might. Yeah. And I love Kenneth Walker.

I know you do too. He was my top guy personally. I went back and forth on it. I get it. He was my one and I kind of what, I cheated. Same grade, but I prefer Breese. But no, with Walker, he's so explosive. It's one of the most fun players to watch this whole draft because he plays with his hair on fire.

And when I thought I was going to watch him and be like, this guy's just all explosion, all athlete, he has no skill to his running back, runback position. You watch him. And it's like, no, he's a organized chaos. Like he's running to the hole, but he's actually under control what he does. He actually has pretty good vision. He's instinctive. Yes. He reads the breaking points so well.

And on top of it, if he does get himself in a bad position, he's, he actually has pretty good vision. He's so explosive and get out of it. And yeah, I big, big fan of his. And it's really fun because he can, he's a legit home run threat with enough polish. He, he, he just maximizes every single time he touches the ball. Yep. He finds a way whether it is with quickness or maybe sometimes power. Yep.

I mean, there, there, it's. Oh, he's not scared to run over. No, exactly. Yeah, that's fun. But he's, he's, he's a good decision maker where he's not just going to run over you or he's not going to try to make you miss all the time. I mean, he will be smart about it. So, yeah, I love Ken, kind of. with Walker's a player.

Interesting fit, though. Yeah. With Seattle. Well, here's my theory. They're just not going to have a quarterback. And they're just going to, whoever's going to play quarterback is just going to hand off to some combination of Chris Carson,

Rashad Penny and Kenneth Walker 64 times a game. And that's going to be the Seahawks offense. I think they spent Adrian Peterson last year. It's a good thing they signed that road grading left tackle in Charles Cross to bring that run first approach that are about. It's all coming together. It's all, you just got to see the vision.

They're going to run away from so you can do backside cutoffs every single time. But yeah, no, walker's very, very fun because it's just one of those guys where you watch the tape with him. And I love how you just brought it up. He wins in different ways. I thought he was just going to bounce everything. You know, all those explosive runnybacks, they have no vision. They just bounce, bounce.

It was like, no, he's running a power play or something in between the tackles. And he's hesitating before he explodes through. But not the team I thought he was going to end up with. No, no. I thought he'd be perfect for Buffalo. Yeah, there were a lot of spots, but Seattle didn't come to mind. Me either. But, you know, my comp for him, you'll appreciate this.

Garrison Hurst. Love it. You know, an old school throwback comparison for Kenneth Walker with Garrison Hurst. I like that a lot. Yeah, I mean, a lot of things alike with him. So, you know, both running backs off the board here by pick 42. So that's interesting. Still no quarterback off the board.

And if I'm on the Colts, I love Skymore with the Colts. And I wasn't, that's why I went my mock. I wasn't sure he's going to make it there to 42. Not sure he's going to be the pick here. man, I want to see Michael Pittman and Skymore on the same team. That'd be a lot of fun to watch. It's a lot different juice than what they have. It's just different flavor all together.

I know they're the same kind of size threshold stuff, but they need just that little difference in that room. It's funny because Pitman has been used as a slasher there a lot within that offense, but he has the frame to be so much more than that. And more is that slasher. Like he is that Yat guy ball with his ball in his hands. I don't know, Dan,

have you heard this. I have compared Skymore to Golden Tate. Oh, wow. New one, right? Yeah. Okay. Oh, never mind. We have a trade up here.

Oh, this is shocking. Nobody's moved around more than the Vikings. Yeah. Moving back. Now move them up. So I want to talk about that because when you look at it, and this is a conversation that a few different people have been having on the football internet's here over the last 12 hours or so. Bill Barnwell mentioned it. Sean Clement, who was on the show a couple weeks ago, we actually had this discussion about how some of the public charts when it comes to draft trades aren't necessarily.

the charts that the teams are operating off of. And if you look at the Vikings Lions trade yesterday where the Lions move up from 32 to 12 and the Vikings move back, on the Jimmy Johnson trade, it looks like a bloodbath in favor of the lions. But if you look at something like the Chase Stewart trade value chart that looks at AV historically, that values later picks more, it's actually in favor of the Vikings. So these different public facing value systems and what teams are doing in their buildings, there's often a disconnect there.

So the Vikings actually got pretty good value when you look at it from more advanced metrics point of view. I think most teams at this point use their own charts and equations to figure that out. But I mean, I can't even keep track of what picks the Vikings have anymore. No, it's your idea. Yeah, they've moved around so much. But it's interesting. Okay, we mentioned this earlier, quarterbacks. Some of the dark horse landing spots, potential landing spots.

Is this one of them? Did the Vikings move up to get their top? quarterback here. That's interesting with all these quarterbacks still around. Yeah. And that trade stuff too. And that's why it was, I'm never going to be in favor of trading up for a non-QB in the first round.

But I actually was like, this is not remember when the trade happened? We looked and were like, is that it? And they got the other pick too, the lions did. And so like breaking it down, that's such a great point, Robert, because when I looked at the breakdown, it was funny, it would be like two charts that was a win for the lions, two charts said it was a win for the Vikings. And really when you look at it,

that way, okay, even the ones that were as a win for the Vikings, the Lions gave up basically an early fourth rounder, essentially, you know, as far as surplus and everything, to move up for James and Williams. And I was like, I understand that. That's actually not that bad to move up 20 spots. So it was almost one of those kind of almost win-win situations in the long run. So you're looking at it. The Vikings get 42 and 144 for 53, 77, and 182.

So the team they traded with just picks up an extra third round payment more. or less in that entire equation. So the Vikings are all over the place because they were at 34. They traded with the Packers. Who came up to get Christian Watson. So it's difficult. There's a shell game going on with the Vikings picks. If this is a quarterback,

it's really interesting that they would trade away from them at 34. Yes. But then still like them enough to go back up to get them. That's interesting. I would be surprised if it was quarterback. Yeah. I mean, I think I would be too, especially because they traded away from 34. Yeah.

You think they just take their guy, not play games with it. Yeah. I know, this is curious. And of course it's the Colts moving back. Of course, he's... Well, Vikings, we talk about your best available, Dane. I mean, Andrew Booth is at the top of that list. They need a cork.

Yeah, we thought, okay, Derek Stingley, that would have been the perfect pick in the first round at number 12. They end up moving back. They get the safety with Lewes seen. Yeah, it's a corner. That's definitely possible. Yeah, it's where I had them going in the second round of my mock. It's a position they could address here.

Pick us in. Here we go. This is crazy. We didn't have this many people when I played in the Super Bowl. You know, I got to tell you, there's no way for us to know how long they're going to make it. Really making a meal out of it. Remember the fields last year with the Bears?

They did like a whole thing before. So we waited like four minutes for that pick that happened. Ed, you're killing me here. All right. Ed's just killing me. Sorry, yeah. That's enjoying the time. So you look at the Vikings' depth chart right now at corner,

if that's ultimately the position they end up going, the route they end up. go. We talked about this, yes. Patrick Peterson's on a one-year deal. They signed Chandon-Solvin. Cam Danzler is there, but it's a definitive need. I mean, they absolutely need to start rebuilding that secondary. They did a little bit with scene. And we know Harrison Smith's probably going to be there for at least two more years after restructuring his contract. Vikings are weird as hell, man. Yeah. They're just weird. We've talked about this a million times, but this middle ground that they're in with not rebuilding and where they're adding pieces and like you look at the guys they've

signed this office season with Stary Smith and Jordan Hicks. And I don't. know what to make of the thing. I really don't. And now a first year general manager, first year head coach. And so maybe a new philosophy. But they obviously see a window right now for them to maybe dip their, you know, they're foot into both sides here where they still compete, but still. It's still going, by the way. Yeah. Hey, you know, this is a moment. You know, go for it, Ed. We'll keep talking. So, uh, yeah, having their cake and eating it too. Going like, hey, we're still competitive, but, you know, let's start looking for a year or two down the road. Because a lot of times it mirrors your quarterback. Yeah. With Kirk Cousin's

still there for the next two years, they're going to go for it, especially in the NFC, which we think is, you know, transitioning. Right. A conference that you could make the playoffs. Who knows? You get hot, you go for a run. I'm generally concerned about what they're going to do with that here. Somebody's going to have to play them off.

I bet you the teams are like pick 50 by this point because he hasn't announced. Yeah. I know producer Ken here is this. This is great. No, I know, but this is, oh, man, this is funny. They showed the Vikings draft room. They've come a long way. What happened?

Oh, no. For the second pick in the 2002 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select defensive back, Andrew Booth from Clinton. We're still going. I honestly think this could be the end of them sending out people to do the picks. Ed might, Ed might be the last guy. Moving forward here, I think this might be the last time this ever happens.

We thought it might be a corner. It's a corner. It's your best available player here, Dane. Walk me through the risk reward with somebody like Andrew Booth. You talked about the injuries, but at this stage in the draft, with the upside, I mean, what does that balance look like? Yeah, he missed two games during the year. And then after the season, the quad strain, the double hernia surgery.

We're not talking about major injuries here, but something that did knock him out of the pre-draft process. And so not having the testing data on him. And that's not the only knock on him. There are plenty of things, just being a more disciplined player, you know, just being a little more consistent. But if you want a guy that is aggressive, that has size, that has ball skills, he checks a lot of boxes.

There's a lot of things that you want at the position that he offers. Love the way he comes downhill. I mean, consistently in run support, especially when he's playing off coverage. he will go get the ball down down the field he will make plays the south carolina tape definitely stands out in my mind it's just it finds the ball goes and gets it and makes a play so and he's long very very long yeah isn't like 33 and a half inch arm uh just under 32 but oh he plays long for sure oh geez no road johns i can't get over with the 43 pick in the 2022 NFL

draft the new york football giant select Wondale Robinson, wide receiver from Kentucky. Huh. Huh. All right. Walk me through what you're talking, what you're thinking here, Dan. Okay, let's just look at the wide receivers that are available right now.

Skymore, George Pickens. I'm just going by my rankings. Jalen Tolbert, John Metchy, Alex Pierce, then we get to Calvin Austin, Khalil Shakur, David Bell, Wondell Robinson, who is a fun player, a really fun player. You want to get him the ball in space

and let him use that field vision, and use that quickness, a small player. The shortest arms we've ever seen at the wide receiver position. So it's going to force your quarterback to be just a little bit more precise in hitting your target. But as a return man, as a guy that can line up in a slot, he can line up in the backfield. You know, he's just that versatile player that is a lot of fun. You can be creative with him. So, I mean, Cadarius Tony on your way out?

It kind of feels like the Cadarius Tony stays might be numbered because about seven things you just said. Right. Also are true for Cadarius, Tony. Yeah, he's a slot-only guy, but he is fun, a lot of fun. And watching Kentucky's offense because it had the Rams influence, so it's actually really easily to translate it, which is nice. And, you know, sometimes we lack creativity, so it helps. But using them on the jet motion stuff and all that stuff like the Rams do. And, yeah, the yards are for the catch.

He's got great ball skills, but that's the thing is that he has short arms. Short short-short arms. And he plays a little bit smaller. That's it. He's a slot-only guy. But, you know, this is a Giants team that, you know, I think they like that. But I'll do what Dane did.

And like I got one, two, three, four, five, six. Eat receivers ahead of him. And the next and like next. And I had a late, late third round grade on him, late third, early fourth, however you want to discern that because he's a slot only guy. But that's really my concerns with him. But he's a fun player.

Like he's like good hands. He'll go out and catch stuff like against, I'll say it was Iowa. He had like a lunging catch over the middle of the ball game. It's funny you mentioned that because he's kind of, I compare him to Jim Edmund. So, you know, had all these diving catches in center field for the Cardinals all those years.

But it's because he wasn't the fastest guy. And so a lot of those, you know, uh, he had it. Okay, with one, Del Robinson, not the longest guy. So,

well, some of these receivers are just snatching that ball. He's got to dive a little bit and make it a little fun. So it's like Derek Jr. He's a step slow. So that's why that looks so good. But yeah. No,

it's, I, I thought I would like maybe he'd have a little more, you know, real burst to him and everything. He's more of a quickness guy. And that's fine. But when you're small.

where it's like, ooh, okay, all right, so you get hit and you get knocked over, but you're not making guys miss. It's the NFL. Wow. Andrew Barry does not like to pick where he's supposed to pick in the second round. He has moved each the last two years, go up to get Grand Delpit, or move back to get Grand Delpit, move up to get Wussu Coromoa. Now they move back here with the Texans.

I mean, that phone line between Houston and Cleveland is well-worn territory at this point. Andrew Barry has Nick Cacereo's number. They've talked. Nate, I'm wondering, you mentioned that Kentucky and the Rams offense, but Liam Cohen was their offensive coordinator, who is now the offensive coordinator for the Rams came back. Do you know who the Kentucky's office coordinator is now? Is it Rich Scangarillo?

Yeah. So that Kentucky has kind of built this thing where they're having people from that offensive system. Cycling in and out is their offensive coordinator. Credits to Coach Stoops because that is smart. I like that one of thinking. To everyone listening to this, we'll love us, the quarterback going back next year.

Keep an eye on him as a guy. we'll be talking about this time next year as a draft pick, an early round draft pick. And that offense is a big reason why. A thousand percent I agree with that. I'm a big, love's fan. Yeah, he does a lot of, yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah, and that's another thing when you're watching that offense, so much more translatable. So you're like, oh, this is nice.

Under center play action, you know, pulling up, having to throw over routes and stuff. So, you know, it helps to, like, really translate that. I mean, think about how many years we talked about the spread filtering up in the last decade or so. And that's the direction that it went. And the fact that now there's one school where it's going back down, it's just like a twilight zone sort of situation. But it seems to be working for them. Kentucky football is, I mean, it's been a golden age for them in the last couple years here. It's fun to watch.

And Wondell Robinson was a guy that was at Nebraska, didn't quite work out. He comes back home, goes to Kentucky. And he was that catch and go creator. A little more drop passes than you, like, he had more drop passes than he did receiving touchdowns. Always a red flag for me. when you have more drops than receiving touchdowns, but that catch and go creator where he can make something happen. And he had over 1,300 receiving yards this year.

There's a lot to like about, again, when you get the ball in his hands in the open field and what he can do to create. But that's interesting that that's the direction they wanted to go with for this team and with all these other receivers on the board. Not saying that they're wrong, that's safe. That's where they wanted to go because he's a different player than a lot of these other receivers were talking about. Exactly.

Who else says more drops and touchdowns is? Christian Watson. That's another guy. But yeah, that's why I'm curious about this, is that it's, he's the guy that I see as the most slot only. I like Camille Shakir. I'm a little higher than others on him,

but I like Shakir because, yes, he's probably going to be mostly slot, but he can win enough on the outside. Robinson, it's like, oh, man, I don't know if you could do that, bud. I don't think he just has that to him to be pressed consistently. So that's why I always kind of downgrade those guys

that only could be in the slot. Brown's moving out of the second round completely done. I was a second round completely. With the 44th pick in the 20-202 NFL draft. So the Houston-Sexon select John Mechie, wide receiver, Alabama. Another receiver who had more drops and touchdowns. But Mechie, you want to hear someone gush about John Mechie, talked to Nick Sabin, calls him the epitome of a wide receiver.

Again, I think the phone line between Nick Aserio and Nick Sabres is probably, they have each other's information. Exactly. Mechie, you know, coming off the ACL, if not for the ACL, I think we'd be talking a lot more about John Mechie as maybe he sneaks into the first round. Really quality player. Not the fastest, not the biggest. There's nothing about him physically that necessarily wowes you.

It's everything. Yeah, everything. Everything. Route running, you know, getting open at the catch point. His instincts downfield, the toughness is outstanding. The competitive drive. So there's a lot of things that I think match up well with what this team, Lovie Smith, what they want, both sides of the ball for the Houston franchise.

He actually wouldn't know because when I was writing for bleach report and stuff, we would do strengths and weaknesses. And actually for him, it was actually so tough because I wanted those to be true strands, true weaknesses. And for him, he had like one of each because it was like he does everything well. So it's like nothing's like a true like, oh my God, that's an elite trait. But he's a, again, I'm going to use this term a lot because this is the range we're in. Useful player. He could be a starting Z for you and bump inside and out, run deep, run shorter, create a little bit after the catch. Just every target you get towards him, it's like, okay.

I'm fine with the ball going his way. And, Dan, I mean, this is a team that isn't in a hurry. If you have a guy who's coming off in ACL and you feel like in two years, he could be a useful player for you, the Texans don't need to win a bunch of football games right now. You want to see maybe what you have in Davis Mills and get him some help as soon as you can, but they have Nico Collins. Brandon Cook's is still there.

So not necessarily a huge gamble for a team on their timeline. And you don't remember culture stuff too. And also you're getting a guy that knows how to work. They knows how to practice. All the Alabama guys do. Nick Saban literally said he outworks everybody. I mean, that's, and that matters to coaching staffs in the NFL at any position. Sometimes we think of just, you know, linemen or, you know, lineback or certain positions,

but wide receiver absolutely. And this guy, you know, when Jalen Waddle went down with the injury last year at Alabama, this is who stepped up and that Alabama offense did not miss a beat. They won the national title that year. And John METCHO is a big part of that because even though Waddle was out, METCHI comes in and, you know, this is before. Jameson Williams. And even with Jameson Williams this year,

John Metchy is the guy that led the team in catches. Not Jameson Williams. 96 catches this year. It's not bad. Yeah. So he's a quarterback's best friend. He's a very detailed-oriented player. Yes, exactly.

So you can understand this pick. Walk me through a Metchie over Pickens. I mean, character. It's stark difference. And that's, Pickens gets beat up a lot when you talk to teams about just the character stuff. He's an immature player on and off the field. That's what they say.

You know, that's just, that's the background and kind of what you're worried about with Pickens. But he's got the upside. There's no question. He could be a true X. You get all that. But it is, I mean, not only Pickens, but a Skymore. You know, some of these other receivers that are still available, it's interesting to see each team in their preference. Whether it's a Wondale Robinson, whether it's a John Metchy, a Christian Watson,

The Browns need a receiver badly to help with that offense. And they traded out of the second round. They think they like who they can get at 68 compared to who they had available there at 44. So it's interesting how each team looks at each of these positions and it's just a little bit different. Who did you compare to John Matchy to? You were writing him up, Nate. You're going to like this one, Earl Bennett. That's very funny.

Yeah. Earl Bennett, useful, just useful. It's like number two, you put him there and that got to. he is forever. Yeah, yeah, not going to be your star, but it's like, he's, he's going to have a career. He's a chain mover. Like, it's like, okay, I've always liked this. I've stolen it from Paul Chris. It's like, I wouldn't design a play for him, but if the ball went his way, you're fine with it. Like, as an offense coordinator or a quarterback, it's like, yeah, you did have those designer plays to get, you know, Devante Adams over and your true guy open, but it's like, oh, the number two, oh, it's

matchy, Mr. Reliable, we're good. We're going to move the chains there. That's kind of what he is. Another fun background, too. He lived in, on three different continents before a seventh birthday. Like, it's just kind of fun. You know, he's... The Ravens on the clock. The 2002 NFL draft, the Baltimore Ravens select David Ojoabo. Linebacker, Michigan. Good players just fall to the Ravens.

Yeah. It's tied true. And they have a plan for him. He's a red shirt. Like, it's, yeah. And this is awesome because who do you go to high school with? O'Dafi O'A. Oh, his high school teammate.

O'Dafoey O'A is the reason he's playing football right now. Or David Ojoabo wanted to play football. Jabba was a basketball player and it's kind of like Owe was. I mean, that joy on a job was face right now of obviously getting drafted, but going to Baltimore with, you know, his quote unquote big brother, Odafe Owe, that's awesome. That is such a cool story.

And this is the Ravens are a pronouncedly patient organization. Everyone has a multi-year plan. There's very few quick fixes. This isn't a we're patching this hole right now for this reason because that's just not how they operate. And Nate, this falls exactly in line with that. And even before the injury, it was, he popped his Achilles on his pro day. It was, people knew he was going to be a project.

But it was, you're great, again, another guy you're great into the flash. But it's, if there's a team that's willing to do that, even before the injury, it would be the Ravens because they're going to put him in a position to succeed, even when he comes back from the injury is because, okay, now you don't have to play all the reps. And then teams, coaches watch film. They're going to all of a sudden go, okay, this guy can't play football. Yeah, third down, he flashes. But, all right. Now he has a time to where they can play him 10 snaps, 12 snaps, before it becomes more of a full-time role.

And that's great. That's exactly what you want to do rather than plopping them in and going like, hey, every third down, you're out there. Every second along, you're out there. It's a plan. And that's what the Ravens do. Where would you have had him if he, without the entry day? That's a good question.

Probably somewhere in the late teens, early 20s. Yeah, I mean, it's just the juice he brings off the edge. He's got some real traits. And he's a guy that still does not know. he's doing. But he has some instate, like, you know at least something when you have 11 sacks. Yeah, okay? You don't just luck into

11 sacks. And so, that's the big difference between him and Oway last year where Oway was missing that production and so you had that question mark. Okay, with OJabo, you don't have that question mark. I mean, he had double digit sacks second on the team, Nathan Hutchinson, and yes, he did benefit a little bit from

Hutchinson being on the other side. But still, this is a guy with his athleticism, the length that he plays with, projectable body. There's a lot of things that you're excited about what he's going to grow into. So, uh, 46 tick in the 2002 and a draft. The Detroit Lions select Josh Pascal, defensive end, University of Kentucky. Keegan Michael Key got through that a little bit quicker than our friend, A, which I appreciate

from Keegan there. Yeah. What do you think about Pascolle? to Detroit, Dan. That makes sense. Before we got started the night, we were talking about some of the players and talked about Pascal and said,

he's going in the second round. It's happening. Too many teams like this guy, one of the best run defenders in college football last year. And then he also gives you something as a past rusher. He had 15 and a half tackles for loss. He had 6.3, 270, and over a 36-inch vert,

he has athleticism. And the backstory is awesome with this guy. He had cancer at Kentucky. worked his way back from that. Just the character, that's something, again, perfect fit for what Dan Campbell wants for his defense, his team, his culture. So I love the fit here with Pasco with the Lions. Yeah, the culture fit is like one to one here. It's like this makes total sense that the Lions take this guy because that's what he's a rugged guy.

Like that and that's what the Lions are trying to build their team around. Actually, it's a great, shoot, pairing him with Hutchinson's fun. Yeah, it is. So the Lions in the first year or so of the Brad Holmes era, they've really signed one big contract, two big contracts, one on the other side of the ball. Ragnow,

but on defense, it was Romeo Quar. Their draft picks, they drafted Owensarike in the second round last year. They drafted Aline McNeil in the third round last year. They drafted Aiden Hutchinson with the second overall pick. They retained Charles Harrison free agency this year, and they just spent another second round pick on Josh Pascal.

I think they are valuing building through that area of roster. Yeah. Yeah. The lines. And then the lines with the line. And then their offensive line is the exact same way. Yeah. It's Sewell last year. You know what?

I truly do appreciate the fact that they are really on brand with all of this stuff. I mean, it's their coaches sucking down two vente coffees and a bunch of caffeine in it. And they're building through the lines in the most apparent and obvious way possible. Hard knocks, probably ready to show some inside run. Some inside, you know, nine on seven. Like, it's not going to be seven on seven skelly. Watch with the lines. It's going to be all the run tape.

Yeah. And like we were saying, this guy just, he fits a lot of. what they're looking for on the field and then off the field. Three year team captain. All the character stuff, football character, personal character. The point of attack instincts, I loved with this guy. And he was one of the guys that after I put out my draft guide, like, I was, man, I had him too low. Like, I should have had him higher because you like him, but, you know, it just, how does that happen?

Is there just a certain thing you don't feel like you're appreciating enough? Like, why, when you revisit a guy like that, where are you usually off at that position? Because maybe a guy like this, really good run defender, but only in five and a half sacks. So it's like that gets in your mind a little bit. And you're like, well, maybe, you know, we just need to value the past rushers a little bit more and have, you know, those guys a little bit higher. But Pasco was a guy that, you know, he rose throughout the year, going from a fifth, six round pick to, okay, a fourth round pick to, okay, after the senior bowl, this guy has a third round pick. And then it's just like, why shouldn't this guy be a second round pick?

You know, why shouldn't we be talking about him as a potential top 50 guy? And so not a surprise to see him come off the board here, here 46th Alliance. Well, think about the types of edge rushers that Aaron Glenn played with in New Orleans. Cam Jordan was 285. Marcus Davenport was a 265-pound guy. They like their stout edge guys that can play the run, do a little bit of everything. And apparently, and he seems to fit that profile. I know some teams are looking at him as a three technique, about adding some weight to him,

getting up to 285. and at the very least on passing downs, kicking him inside, you know, get some speed on the edge. It sure does, absolutely. A guy that has the point of attack instincts that he has, the hands, a guy that's not going to lose many reps, run game, or, you know, just creating that disruption. I get it.

I certainly understand. And you laid it out perfectly, Robert, with just the way they've addressed the defensive line. It's no mystery what they're trying to do here. Yeah. And what all these defenses are doing now, being able to play head up as well, and you're saying three tech,

but just playing head up as well and be able to take guys on an offense alignment head on, no matter if it's a tackle or a guard. That's so useful because you're plugging in a different way. And that's where the run stuff comes up. You're stealing gaps back. And Glenn is a Fangio guy. He came,

he played for Vic Fangio. He believes in a lot of those principles. And I mean, you look at what the Saints have done. They've been a too high team a lot. I mean, even before kind of this thing became in vogue, we started talking to all this stuff. about the fans you think the Saints are doing a lot of that.

And what do we say that always about the Saints is that I use the term rugged, but they're badass. Like that's kind of what they are. And that seems that's what it seems like the lines are going for. They're like, you can have the bendy guys and all those, the Twitchy guys. We're going to get the guys that are going to take on double teams and kick some butt. I mean, this lion's defense is up front becoming very interesting. It's fun.

They have an identity at the very least right. Yes. And I can appreciate that. I agree. I know. And another team that, uh, Could have gone quarterback, but didn't. You know, that's interesting.

We're having, these quarterbacks are falling. They are. We're about to get to the 50th pick. Which is crazy. It'd be fascinating if we have one quarterback in the top 50. I feel better about my grades now. Yeah. Washington's pick is in at 47.

Commanders, I see y'all. What's up, everybody? That's funny. We hear them. With the 47th pick of the 2022 drafts, so Washington commanders select for Dariener, Mattis, D-Tackle, Alabama.

Washington loved their Alabama defensive linemen. I mean, Jonathan Allen, Daron Payne, add Mathis to the mix, apparently. That's great.

I mean, another team that knows what they like, knows what they want. It doesn't matter the regime change a little bit. It's a say, this is what's worked in the past and they go back to it.

You mentioned Duran Payne. This feels like it might say a lot about Duran Payne's future in Washington. They've already paid Jonathan Allen. They have some decisions to make about their edge rushers, a lot of money to tie up in one position group. Not as sexy as trading A.J. Brown for Traylin Berks and resetting your financial clock

in a position that way. But maybe a similar sort of thought here, Dane, with Washington, if they decide to move on from Geron Payne after this year. Yeah. Payne was second on the team in Saxon for loss behind only Will Anderson, who, you know, is going to be the first non-quarterback drafted next year. But I don't think you necessarily look at him as a pass rusher more as a run defender. Yeah, and so, again, we talk about defense to tackle being a weaker position this year.

Not really surprising to see these guys maybe go a little bit earlier just because if you don't get your guy, you're going to be left without a chair and you're going to wish maybe you addressed the position earlier. Yeah, him and pairing him with Jonathan Allen. It's going to be sweet. We're talking about, like, you know, holding up the middle and holding up and stealing gaps and all that. They're more traditional with Rivera and Jekdo Rio with how they play on defense. But really, I mean, they want to play that more too high. We laughed about it.

It was like their only blitz, remember, a couple of years ago, was just wind five guys up for a bunch of games. They kind of even got away from that last year, and they still didn't bring a lot of pressure. But now you got these, I mean, Jonathan Allen's a monster. And now you just get the plug, you get Chase Young off the edge. Okay, it's a different style for that. We talk about receiver room being like, okay, different basketball players and stuff,

sometimes having your defensive front being that too. And maybe you want to play with two centers. It's a couple fives down on the post. You know, that's what they can do in the middle, though. Bears around the clock here. It's the pick they got in the Cleomac trade. Yeah. Which some conflicting emotions here for me.

All the receivers that we talked about earlier, they're still there. They are. Every single one. They're ready to break your heart again. How these receivers broke is already. It's fast. I'm ready for Perry and Winfrey here. I've emotionally prepared myself for the defensive tackle.

Any guesses the last time we only had one quarterback in a top 50? Oh, man. Any guesses? It's not super long. Not recent, but not super long. 2013, Geno Smith went in the second round. He was in the top 50. He was top 50.

Okay. What is it? 2000. So that's Pennington? Chad Pennington, yep. He was the only quarterback drafted top 50 that year. Chetzel also had four first rounders that year. And they had three yesterday.

Giovanni Carmazzi was the second quarterback drafted 65. As a name I haven't heard in so long. The only reason you hear Giovanni Carazzi is because he was drafted before Tom Brady. I mean, that's all those guys from that draft. The Vikings had one, too, was Spurgeon Win. Yeah, Spurgeon Win. Southwood, Texas State. I mean, there was an actual documentary about the guys that went before Tom Brady.

We have really squeezed blood from the stone with the Tom Brady content. We've gotten it all. Every single idea has been done about Tom Brady at this point. Ongoing documentary going out right now. All right, the bear's pick is in here at 48. Bear down. Bear down. Bear down, Robert. I don't know that guy.

I knew Matt Forte. Matt Forte. That's Brian Earl actor. In the 2022 NFL draft, the Chicago Bears select, Jaquan Brisker, defensive backs, Penn State. Nice. Secondary heavy. What'd you think?

It's amazing. I guess it's going to be Byron Pringle and who else? I don't. Fine. It is what it is. Make me feel better about this day. Briskar's awesome. 6.1.5, 206, a 4-4 athlete,

a guy that when you needed your defense to come up with the play, Brisker could do that. You can make an argument. He is the most complete safety in this draft. You could make that argument. I was a two-way. Exactly. You want a guy run the alley.

You want a guy to play deep. He can make plays at different levels of the field, and you trust him out there. So the play speed, the smarts, yeah, this Wisconsin play here. He had like three plays in this game. Including the interception that basically sealed the win.

He read the quarterback all the way. 100%. Yeah. Playing being a robber. I mean, he, there's a lot of things that I think, Brisker,

you appreciate about him and just being a complete player. So yeah, this is the play that they're showing right now. She reads the quarterback. I have nightmares as well. That's why. No, but he's a nice,

I love how you say, complete player. It's almost like a safety version of Metchy a little bit. Like it was like every doesn't, everything well. And honestly, those reps translate with him because he's playing as a quarter safety, carrying someone vertical from the slot, and he can do it. Is he the twitchiest guy? No, but it's like he's smart and he knows what he is and he's a good enough athlete to get it all done. And he's physical, too. Like he just, it's a nice, complete player. They had a clear need of safety as well. I mean,

you got DeAndre Hudson Carson there. I mean, this team has holes everywhere. You say it again and again and it's really tempting to sit there and need a receiver, need an offensive Wyman, need more help for Justin Fields. And they absolutely do need more help for Justin Fields, but they need help in every single spot. Maybe they just, they've got a lot of third round grades on these receivers. You know, they still have a third round pick. They feel comfortable with who's going to be there.

And we haven't had that wide receiver run, really. I got the Chiefs coming up. It could be, yeah, Chiefs could be interesting right there. But yeah, I'm actually kind of, yeah, I'm very curious now, like, who's next receiver to go too. I actually, like, even just the quarterback stuff is actually kind of, we're almost at pick 50.

Yeah. And I figured someone would take a swing by this point, but I guess everyone's comfortable with where everybody has them slotted, I guess. And like you said, makes you feel comfortable about your grades. So much better. 100%. Like, we did not love these quarterbacks.

And third round grades on them. So kept pushing them up, pushing them up. And who knows, if Kenny Pickett does not go 20 to the Steelers, he could still be available. I mean, who knows? All these teams view these quarterbacks so differently. So it's, yeah, it is fascinating that we have not had one off the board here in the second round yet.

Dan and I talked real quick after the show last night. And he was like, oh, so how did you grade the guys were talking quarterbacks? And I was like, I only just want to just keep reiterating. It's like, yeah, I liked Ritter. He was QP5 last year. You know, like it's, I was squinting to take him in the first round. That's, it's like, yes, he's your top rated guy. But then you look at everyone's big boards.

It's like he's 38 on the big board. He's 29. He's 44. And that's kind of how it's playing out. Usually you get the half grade inflation. but it's really more, that's what's sticking to. Same thing with Kenny Pickett for me. My top ranked quarterback this year, but I think it was 30th overall on my board.

And like that felt a little generous. And so, you know, a guy that last year would have been the clear, not even the clear six. I think I would have, because I love Davis Mills last year. I would have had a conversation with myself about who's that six quarterback, Davis Mills or Pickett, Willis, you know, whoever throw Britter in there. Like it would have been an interesting conversation. Yeah. Because, yeah, none of these guys were touching the top five last year.

That's funny. because that's who's been my threshold for him. I was like, did I like him better in Mills? That's why I just kept talking about. And it's like, not really. Mills had a lot more pro-QB to him. Yes, projectable. You could see this working.

You saw him operating and all that. So it was like, okay, okay, I get that one. But yeah, it's, I know, that's what this QB class was. The next 10 picks from looking at it right now. New Orleans, Kansas City, Philly, the Steelers, the Colts, the Patriots, the Cardinals, the Cowboys, the Bills. I'd argue that None of those teams,

maybe the Saints. That's the only one that may be. Maybe the Colts. Maybe the Colts. But after that though, after that, Atlanta at 58, Minnesota at 59,

bucks at 60. Who knows? So if the quarterback run is going to happen, if a quarterback is even going to go here in the second round, it feels like that might be the stretch right now. I thought for sure that we were going to have more quarterbacks

drafted second round. in the first round. I wrote that today in my mock, how this would be the first time since 2007 and we'll have more second round quarterbacks. Maybe not. I might have jumped a gun a little bit here. We'll have to see the rest of the second round plays out.

Yeah, I could have saw maybe four going in this round. Sure. That's like, that's really kind of like come to grips with about it. It's like, oh, yeah, only one went yesterday. And I was expecting two. You know, it's, yeah. If we saw four in the first 10 picks in the second round, I don't think that would have been shocking.

I know. It seems like teams called around. They're like, okay, don't trade up. You don't trade that. don't trade up either. It feels like now, I don't know who's still available for you, Dane, but here at 49,

after filling, clearly they're two biggest songs yesterday with Alave and Penning. This just feels like the time where we're going to have the Saints chipping away at secondary depth and all those other things that feels like they need

but aren't nearly as pressing as the two guys they got yesterday. I know they really want a defense tackle hall. Travis Jones is still there at a Yukon, Perry on Winfrey from Oklahoma. So that either one of those two players would make a ton of sense. for the Saints here.

But yeah, it'll be interesting if they go back to the secondary. If they see someone they want, could they take a quarterback here? Could they take a swing at this point in the draft? You know, it's just talk about opportunity and value and all these things. We just don't know how each one of these teams ranks these

quarterbacks, the grades that they gave them. That's the missing piece that when we're, as we try to project these guys. Yeah. And that's so much as you guess like the positions, even like looking at like, when you're breaking these things down. Okay, I can see them going with this guy, this guy.

It's really more just like tiers of players. We were talking about the Patriots. Oh, yeah, they're going interior linemen, no matter what and all that. But just going like, well, yes, they want a receiver here. But then it's a guessing game. Which one? Like, yes, they like a corner here. Which one?

Same with safety. All that stuff. We don't know how they stack it because it's wild from team to team in most draft, especially in this draft, which is just the so little consensus. In the 2022 NFL draft, the New Orleans Saints select. Alante Taylor, defensive back, Tennessee. Okay. A little bit earlier than thought might go.

A corner who, I actually like them better, safety, but a big time athlete. Well, that makes sense for this, too. Yes, it does. Those blurred lines between corner safety and how they're going to use people. That's what I was saying, just about, all right, here's like this, they're stockpiling the talent to just have those options on the back end. This team loves that.

They do. They do. and Alante Taylor was, and he was like a high school quarterback, big time athlete, goes to Tennessee, six foot, 200 pounds. And a guy that maybe didn't live up to some of the hype, but he's big, he's physical, he's long, he has sprinting speed. I mean, we're seeing now in the highlights. I mean, he moves really, really well.

When his feet are under control, he's not getting, you know, out of whack with his lower body. He can go make plays without speed. So he can play the nickel, can play outside. that versatility, I think, like you said, that's key for this team. Yeah, that's what they like on that defense. He was much more basic last year, but, you know, Dennis Allen really likes to, how I knew him, was like, you get those big safeties on the field, move them around, and we're bringing funky looks.

He has the Greg Williams background, like way in a way back pocket, but it's still there. So getting these guys, and as soon as you hear, athlete, versatility, it's like, oh, yeah, that makes so much sense as far as what they like on defense. They lost a ton of snaps. We talked about this yesterday at safety. They lost 2,000 snaps with Marcus Williams going to Baltimore and Malcolm Jenkins retiring. Obviously, they signed Marcus May, but this is a team that loves having options back there. Even with Marcus May, it felt like, and Daniel Sorrents.

And forget Daniel Sorrentz is also on this team, but it feels like that wouldn't preclude them from taking an athlete day like in the second round here, Dave. Alante Taylor, the first non-top 100 quarterback, or prospect, excuse me, on my board to go. So he was 124 for me on my top 300. So interesting spot for him. I didn't see him going second round. I thought there was a chance to go third round, but a little surprised to see him as a top 50 pick here. Other defensive backs that you feel like could have made sense that maybe you're surprised that they went with Taylor instead.

Yeah, well, and it's interesting when we talk about the versatility and how key that is because, again, like we're talking about the receivers and Wondell Robinson being a specific type of receiver. And, you know, all these guys, same thing with Alante Taylor. He's a specific type of defensive back with what he gives you. He might be their, you know, the starting gunner. You know, like that's something that will matter to this team. You know, just the different ways that he will impact your team. So we have a trade here.

Chiefs moving back with the Patriots. So the Patriots moved back last night, moving up tonight to get to get someone. So that's interesting. Maybe a Leo Chanel here. I'm Tony. They're getting that punter. Oh. That's all on you. Look at Matt Patricia.

I know. Wow. Wow. I don't have said something to me and so I'm going. It's a black is slimming. I mean, I mean, that's the best he's ever looked and it's in the draft room for some reason.

I know. I love how they kept him there. He's the only one on camera. The only reason I knew as him was the pencil. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah.

I always appreciate that because that's how my dad was. Any inkling here, Nate, or Dane about who. this might be for what position. I mean, we talk about linebacker. I mean, Nicoby Dean still out there. No, Nicopi Dean does not meet what traditionally they like at, you know,

size thresholds, but yeah, it's just a good player. Leo Chanel does meet more of the size. From Wisconsin. Yes, exactly. A guy that the balance that he plays with downhill and he has the

athleticism to drop. We just didn't do it a ton at Wisconsin and what they asked him to do. So linebacker makes sense here. I don't think it could be a receiver even though, you know, DeVonte Parker adding him. wide receiver not as big of a need. But the Patriots move up four spots here, give up a fifth round pick in the process.

So someone that wanted to get ahead of Philly and Pittsburgh to get their guy. You can do a lot of impressive things this weekend. You being able to see the number on a pick and instantly know what round it is without even almost having to do the math. You've looked at a seven-round mock draft for hours and hours and hours here over the last little bit. I could do it. It's chunks of 30s of my brain. I'm like, yeah.

But then you get the compacts at the end of the third round. I'm absolutely useless when it comes to this. Dan, are you surprised that Nkobi Dean is still available here at 50? Yes, because he's just a good player. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of reasons you can knock him with the size. Again, there's some injury stuff here. The knee, the peck, a team told me they flagged both. But they also said it wasn't like a long-term thing, this big red flag you had to worry about.

So it is a little surprising. He's still there. but again, a guy that does not meet a lot of the size thresholds. Now, he has decent length, but he's a smaller player, but can make plays in coverage, has range. I mean, he was the life of that Georgia defense. He really was, and he, whether it was blitzing through the A gaps, making plays at the sideline, dropping in coverage, making plays, just a lot of reasons to really, and I understand why he didn't go in the first round.

Totally understand it. I mean, he was my 31st-ranked player, so he was a borderline for me. but a little surprising if he does fall out of the top 50. Yeah. And like there's always going to be size concerns. And that's where injury concerns are tied in usually at that. Just the bigger you are or smaller you are, probably can get banged up a little bit more.

It's a physical sport. But it's like, Devin Bush went in the first round. Yeah. Deans and that, they're probably the same height. I think probably about the same size, maybe about five,

10 pounds difference. But it's, 10th pick. Yeah. And a move up for him. And so that's where I'm, okay, because I've had a size.

I'm always going to do this. But it's, we're a pick 50. You know, we're not pick five or 15 or 25. Like, so, yeah, so it's kind of interesting that he is because he's such a fun player. And so I thought you'd be a guy that teams couldn't wait to take on day two once in the 30s going like, oh, he's still there. Okay, good, good. We can go get him now.

So, yeah, I think it's a little interesting as well. Well, and another player who, you know, you do worry about, oh, sorry, we got pick. Here we got pick is in for Patriots. Today is World Wish Day. The anniversary of the wish that inspired the creation of a moment. Make a Wish. Joining me today to announce the New England Patriots second round pick is Ben Leffert. Let him know, Ben. A Ben told Make a Wish is which was to be able to announce the draft pick for his hometown team,

the Patriots, six times. After battering over and covering Leukemia, I know this is going to be a piece of cake. I want to thank the NFL Robert Kraft for making bitch wish come true. Okay, Ben, let's make your wish come true. Let's get through. Kansas City Chiefs have traded the 50th pick to the New England Patriots. With the 50th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the six-time Super Bowl champion, New England Patriots, select Taekwuan Thornton, wide receiver.

There's the speed. Yeah. Okay. If I were told you at the beginning of the day, Taekwuan Thornton's going ahead of Skymore, George Pickens. Come on. Really? Yeah.

Where did you expect him to go? go. Thornton. I thought he was going to go in the third. I had to bring him as a fifth. I've got my questions with him, but I thought he'd go in the third. But again, it's who he's going in front of. And the fact that the Patriots moved up for him. You know, it's really interesting. Taekwon Thornton, I mean, you can't disagree with the speed. 4-28. He had an LSU scholarship to run track at a high school. So he's always had that speed, but he's a very thin player. You kind of worry about the play strength. But when you have those that long striding acceleration.

You can understand why you're going to bet on that speed. I mean, Nate, where, how high did you have? I had a early fourth round grade. I was right there with you. I thought he would sneak up to the third because teams would go, oh, 428. Yeah. I want that. And I first got kind of brought to attention to Thornton when I was at the shrine

week and the shrine game here and it's in the Las Vegas. And he had a great week of practice. He was really dynamic in the red zone, which actually about the show clip here, had some ball skills. Thing is, is he had, I mean, can't doubt the speed. a true speed guy, truly shows up on film. But he has smaller hands,

and you can really see that show up when Contessa catches. Eight and a quarter. Yeah. He's in a quarter. He's a guy more has two inches larger. Wow. Yeah.

And it shows up on Catasca's a quarter. Yeah. Yeah. At the combine, he had the smallest hands, the smallest wrists. I mean, just a smaller.

He's 177, I think. He's 181. 181. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. And, and I liked him because he played, he's twitchy.

He plays tough. He's skinny. He's a track guy. he truly is. But yeah, those small hands really came up for me a lot when contested catch situations, he had drops because that's for the small hands,

his hand strength. So, but I liked him a little more. He had a little more football player to him than I originally thought. I was like, okay, you take the top off. We get what you do.

No, but yeah, a decent route runner. I do like the Twitch. And I do like the body control that he had. And like the hands and clean situations were pretty good, just contested catches and stuff. But Patriots,

we knew they needed speed. They wanted speed at that receiver position to open up as much as love Kendrick Bourne. He's a 4-7 receiver. They got a lot of that, right? Nikiel Harry is a 4-5 guy. The tight ends. Fonte Parker's not a burner. I mean, they've got a lot of possession guys on that. So much breathing room, like for those other guys.

that's what he's brought in to do. Nelson Aguars theoretically out of his team as well. But I mean, that's, yeah, that's going to be that's got the one-year proposition. And also just in the red zone, too, it gives him a nice weapon in the red zone because he does have pretty good catching range and some twitch there. So, like, you know, that's a nice little size,

you know, for Mac Jones, if he wants to give him a chance go make a point. And I agree with what you just, I mean, the last line of my report on Tyquan Thornton was it's just going to be a tougher time for him masking that lack of build, the lack of play strength versus NFL competition. When physical corners in the NFL, you know, get into him and are really competitive at the catch point. It's just going to be a lot tougher for him. So, but you know what? The way he played down the stretch for Baylor, it really got my attention. He had 10 touchdowns this year. I mean, he made some plays. So again, what did we talk about last, last night? with the Patriots. They don't care. They don't care where you have them. They don't care. Are we taking them around early? We don't care. We're going to take the player that we want. Tycoen Thornton, who knows? Maybe he would have been around in the third round for the Patriots.

They didn't want to wait around to find out. How do you think this fits with Mack Jones? The idea of having that burner with Mack Jones's arm and just the structure of the offense, do you think it does make sense, like as a puzzle? As long as it gets ball out quick. But it does because that's what the tight ends that they had, John, not so much, but Hunter Henry, born, all these receivers, those are the short intermediate guys.

And if we're just drawn up a basic football play and you have the vertical element of it, okay, we got that now. And you're having, you're kind of pigeonholing, not pigeonholing, kind of square peg around holding Nelson Aguilar, who did really good job in that role with the Raiders that last year and got a nice contract off of it. But you kind of see his limitations on that. It's not like he's that true deep threat. And that's what you're bringing him, him into do.

And you're hoping that, okay, he can develop some more X receiver stuff. where you put him on a vertical route tree. But right now, you're signing him for speed and just to open everybody else up. Yeah. And he had some play. He had seven catches of 40 yards. So, I mean, there are plays where, you know, he can stretch it out a little bit. And not just as a route runner, but after the catch, where, you know, you see that speed,

stretch out that stride and let him go. He's so light that he, and he runs that way. He picks up his feet so quickly. Yeah. You see that track speed. So it was fun. It would be fun. It's always fun watching these speed.

are actual like decent football players rather than just like okay go. Yeah. Because you can see a lot of DBs guarding them and, you know, they give the space and also they go, oh crap. And the oh crap corner stuff and you see that would come up so many times when he's running like a post. They're like, okay, I get, I get me eight yards. I'm eight yards off.

Oh, oh, God, oh God, I got to start picking up. Dan, who is the best left on your board at this point? We're looking at in the Kobe Dean. Lineback from Georgia, Malik Willis, quarterback Liberty, Travis Jones, defense tackle UCon, Bernard Raymond, offensive tackle, central Michigan, Sky Moore, wide receiver, western Michigan, Desmond Ritter,

quarterback Cincinnati, Chad Muma, linebacker out of Wyoming, Christian Harris, linebacker, Alabama, George Pickens, wide receiver Georgia, and then Cam Juergens center out of Nebraska. So those are the final players I had available in my top 50

that are still here. So it's interesting. No tight ends taken yet. Yesterday, last night was the first time in NFL history. We did not have a running back or a tight end in the first round. The Philadelphia Eagles. Select Cam Jergens, Center, Nebraska. They got there, Jason Kelsey.

My 49th overall player going 51, so that makes sense. And that's a great point, yeah, with Jason Kelsey, because that's, that's, Cam Jergins. He's a little longer, but he kind of plays similar. And I think Jurgens, yeah, he's a center, but he's, I think he could play a little bit of guard if you want them to. I love this pick for them. To me, he was the second round version of Tyler Linderbaum. Yep.

You know, a guy with that mobility, you know, the home eight blocks 40 yards down the field. I mean, there's a lot of things Cam Juergens can do athletically that a lot of centers cannot do. Now, he will get beat up at times. This is a high school tight end who goes to Nebraska. Never played center in his life. Bulks up, moves to the offensive line. And he got better every year.

And so that progression, that improvement, I think really gives you. optimism about what he's going to go into. And he's not done. He's still developing. But I do like to speak for the Eagles. Yep. I remember we're talking with Brandon Thorne about him. And he was,

I remember he was surprised, like pleasantly surprised watching him. And this was before the combine. And then the testing happened. He tested very well. And that's when draft Twitter becomes aware of a lot of these guys. But he even said, he goes, he's not a finished product.

Like he's got a little bit of ways to go, but he liked what he can do. And he put it the same way. That's like he's kind of a discount. Linderbaum. That's what you're looking at. And even in his clips right there, you saw him on the move polling. And really, that's, he's going to the Eagles. It's like, okay, he's going to keep doing that from the center position. Jason Kelsey replacement. I like it with a little inside versatility. I mean, if it's my honor to welcome the 52nd pick in the 20, 22 NFL draft, the Pittsburgh

Steelers select George Pickens, Georgia. There you go. I mean, if there's a team that finds receivers in the second, third, fourth round. You know, they did it with Chase Claypool. They did it with, you know, how many guys? And right here with Pickens. So Deontay Johnson is going to be going to the final year of his deal, 19, 20, 21, 22, year four. So that's something to keep in mind here. Potentially a little bit awkward.

If you're Chase Claypool announcing this pick and George Pickens is stealing snaps from you here in about six months. But, I mean, this team loves receivers in this range. They've done a very good job of finding them. How do you think this fit works, though? with the other guys that they have here, Dan. It is an interesting fit. A player that has the traditional X-traits, a big, graceful athlete can win at the catch point.

He's a ball winner. He definitely is. So it's interesting because he still needs development. As a route runner, you worry about the maturity stuff. I mean, you're drafting him not to be that immediate number one, number two, or even number three guy for this team, but you kind of sprinkle him in here and there and kind of put more has played each week, see what he does for you.

Yep, I completely agree. Watching him, I thought he would have a little more route running polish because it is so vertically based. And that's actually where it's like, yeah, it's kind of an ex. But yeah, he's a competitive player. I think we all, we, but you see that some of his highlights are him blocking. So you got a little bit of a steeler mindset there. But yeah, he still needs a little bit more development with the stuff.

I do like a lot of his highlights, even if he has the catching ring, he adjusted for catches, he also has the diving catches. So he has some body control to him. Colts pick is in as well. Oh, look at that. Anthony Costanza. It looks great as well. Geez.

They're on that Joe Thomas plan. There. Hey, we know the Colts love size. Alex Pierce going to the Colts at 53 here. They got a basketball team out there now. I do. That's another power forward for him. No, this is, I love this.

I mean, it makes so much sense. It's another team that has size threshold stuff. And Pierce is a developing guy. He, of course, story Nelson comparison. But of course, he's a vertical threat. This is another guy that could take the top off the defense, developing as a route runner, but even got better this past year as a route runner,

which that's actually really turned me on to him. But still not great on short and intermediate stuff or outbreakers, but that's just dogged every route that you can run. But no, vertical stuff, in breaking stuff, intermediate stuff, also a physical blocker. Like he has upside as a power slot, which I'm always going to love. And they need to replace Zach Pascal. Correct.

Yes. Got him another mention. But yes, but that's why I liked him. He, I can see him developing. I see him more as like a number four early on. He's a special teamer. I think he's going to be a dynamic gunner. Yes.

And develop into a number two Z. And that's vertical, can move him into slot and block. I really like him. I'm a big fan of peers. And that's key because, again, special teams, that toughness that he plays with, competitiveness. He has the same 40-yard dash at, at Soss Gardner, and he's a bigger player.

So, I mean, the athlete, the vertical skills, comes from a family of athletes, his brother played for the Tar Heels basketball team. Playing overseas right now. Both his parents were athletes at Northwestern. So that's cool. Oh, you see Desmond Redd cheering on his teammate there? That's cool.

Yeah, very cool. Yeah, I like the upside of Pierce. How do you like to fit with Pittman with these two guys? Yeah, I would like them to have a little different type of guy, but he has more juice, I think, long juice than Pittman does. That's kind of what we talked about where, I mean, can you imagine a more different receiver stylistically than Sky. I mean,

they're a complete opposite of the spectrum. And now I think it allows Pittman to kind of maintain that slasher role, where even if Pittman is that 6-4 and change type frame, he does a lot of different things. He can do stuff after the catch. He is a little bit more dynamic in that role. Yes. In a good way.

I mean that in a good way. And that's the thing is Pierce's yak ability. Eh. Yeah. It's not great. He'll get tackled pretty easily. So that actually is a nice. a little kind of difference for those two.

And the only thing that I don't think I loved about Pierce, especially here, is, like, what you said, he's probably a wide receiver four to start, you know, like he's not going to be a guy that's going to come in and you feel like he's going to catch 50. Yeah, he's not going to catch 50 balls as a rookie. At least that's not how we're projecting him. Yeah, I've seen him as like easing into the role. And then it's one of those after the by week, he has like a game and everyone's like, oh, okay, look, oh, there he's catching on a little bit.

I think he's the second half of rookie season, year two is when you really see. some legs with him. And Nate, or Dan, is that a situation where you just think they need somebody right now when you're looking at that to their death try? You want to make it contribute a little bit earlier. Exactly. You're talking about a quarterback and Matt Ryan who, I mean, with the way Colts go through quarterbacks, this is his one year to do something. So, uh, I think they're holding on hope that he's going to be there next year. I hope. I hope. The Colts need that. Um, but, you know, even in, in year two, I don't know if, uh, Pierce will be necessarily ready to be the true starter that, that, that you're looking to, you know, for in that offense. But,

I mean, in the second round, that's kind of disappointing, right? You know, I guess, but I mean, he's a good player. I mean, everything that Nate said, you love the speed, you love the leaping skills. You wish he had more of a route tree. You know, you want to see more branches out there. But a guy that can go up and get the football. And the competitive nature, I understand why Chris Ballard would really appreciate this style player. He's fine blocking.

They train him at lineback early in his career. And so he's got that physical element. I mean, that's what he was in college early. he was an ace on special teams and then he eased into the receiver role i could see the same thing happening to him as a pro and really when i first watched him i was like okay vertical ball winner cool or a third fourth or whatever and then i watched more and more of them as the season went along and especially even in the alabama game also in his releases got better and all those kind of little little details of the position he was breaking off the bama corners that were pressing with every

snap and i was i was like oh shoot okay okay okay let's bump you up a little bit more and that's why I think the arrow still pointing up with him. But I totally get it. Your second round, you're taking this guy in the second round. You guys want these to contribute. You're not rebuilding as the Colts. Right. You know, you trade for Matt Ryan for a reason.

So that's the give and take with it. And I think that's one of the reasons I had him more as a third round pick. But, I mean, like I said, I get it. Because he's a good player. You love the traits. So I understand that. But again, you know, we saw George Pickens come off the board, but still Sky Moore is out there. Let me look at my right.

Recer rankings and kind of reset things. Jalen Tolbert, which... That's about the range. Yeah. I think, you know, Dallas could be in the market for a receiver. Don't be surprised if we see a receiver there. So we've had Semeci off the board, Pierce off the board. Mondell Robbins, we've got a lot of receivers off the board. But a little...

So Sky Moore will not be a top 10 receiver in this draft. Pick us in here for the Chiefs here 54. They moved down with the wing one. Obviously. I think you guys been drinking, huh? You having a good time? See, Las Vegas. I hope you guys been winning,

speaking of winning with the 54th pick in the 2022 NFL draft of Kansas City Chiefs select Sky with two wise more to a wide receiver Western Michigan

Yeah, I mean, okay So yesterday Chiefs go defense with the corner and the edge rusher They come back here in the second I didn't think they have a chance at Sky Moore you know outside the top 50 picks

They even trade back and get them. His Vegas over under was 34.5. Yeah. Like, if you want to just put it in perspective, like this is, it's crazy. METCHI's over under, I think it was 57 and a half. So like we kind of get those two flipped a little bit. But I love this. Yeah, I love Skymore.

And he's a player that when you first start watching him, I don't, if you didn't know anything about him, no expectations. He doesn't necessarily wow you right away. We're average size playing in the Mac. But then you keep watching and you're like, oh, okay. Like, you know, the releases, the way, a lot of quick hitters in that offense and his reflexes to catch the ball here, here, everywhere, and quickly tuck it away and do something after the catch. Make something happen every time he touches the ball. Absolutely. Absolutely. So how I think I even wrote him up like this is that is he maximized every target opportunity.

And what I mean is like he, even once he did end up catching, he has great body control and great hands. And they showed that first clip right here on ESPN, the first clip against Buffalo, he has the slot fade and catches the touchdown. That was a play. I was like, okay, okay, you play a little bit. I talk about Johan Dotson playing big. Sky has a little bit that to him, too, just because he has such natural hands and everything. Yeah, but, Dane, you mentioned it to the releases. He can win from the outside when they asked him to.

And, I mean, they did a lot of RPO's in that offense, but just a useful good player. I also think if MBS can be there for multiple years, complimentary skill sets. It's perfect for what you're trying to figure out what you're going to do is spin. He's the exact type of guy that can take advantage of that. I love it. Just the way that fits together makes total sense to me. Skymore probably doesn't feel good about where he went compared to maybe where he thought he'd go. But the landing spot, he's okay.

Whatever money he lost, I think he's going to be his chance to make up for it here in about four years. Really? Trey McBride. Oh, all right. Tray McBride goes to the Cardinals. You just heard Nate's response. But I mean, they have hurts. I mean, I don't know.

It's redundant to me. I thought they could have gone. They're playing fantasy football. This is what they do. But McBride, another guy does everything well. He's a good receiver. I was a little, and this is my personal feeling. I was a little underwhelmed with him as a blocker.

I thought they hit him a lot as a wing tight end or away from the run point. And he had the misconception where a lot of guys would watch him go, he's a good blocker because his technique was so good. But then he doesn't have ideal length. He doesn't sustain. But he's useful in the passing game. He's got good hands, pretty good route runner. He tested way better than I thought he would actually run.

That's Proda, yeah. Yeah. I compare it to Hunter Henry. I like Hunter Henry a lot more coming out, but just kind of that type of tight end. It's not that guy you run behind. You know, it's more of like a solid receiver than explosive or anything like that. Yeah, that's why I compared to Mahad and Hurst. You know, that's speaking of H.H. tight ends.

Yeah. You know, it's, Trey McBride is, does everything well. Just doesn't, I mean, for a guy that had 90 catches this year, only one touchdown. One touchdown. And I know part of that is the offense. You know, once they get into the red zone, pound the ball, pound the ball, pound the ball. But that still speaks to just the lack of explosive play.

It does. That's what that is. Catching range. That's the other thing, too. Right. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he won the Mackey Award for, I mean, he was their offense. Colorado State's offense was not great.

So you're having your F tight end be the offensive guy for you. Interesting fit, though. I mean, they brought back Max Williams this year. Yeah. So they already had two tight ends. I mean, yeah. This is right where we thought the first tight end would go, though. You know, he was my 60 second overall player, but we thought,

Once we get out of the top 50, that's when we're starting. There's a tight ends. Yeah. Might come off the board. And we'll see a few more here tonight. What a moll. I'm glad you said. Oh my God.

What an incredible mollet. Yeah. That is some real work there. I'm incredibly impressed. So I want to go back to Skymore for a second year. And just obviously Tyree Kill is gone. And we've talked a lot about how players, our teams are replacing guys they've traded away in this draft. Skymore isn't a burner like Tyree Kill is.

but so much of what Tyree Kill did within that Chiefs' offense is we're going to spit you out the ball to what you can do with it. Yak opportunities and just instant offense and what you can do with all the space created within that offense teams. We're going to play those two high shells and give you things underneath. That element is something they lacked with Tyree Kill gone even if the speed isn't one for us. With the 56 pick that's what Scott Moore's in the 2020 NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Sam Williams, defense of Ben, Ole Miss. You called this one. It's where I had my mock draft.

And I genuinely believe Coach McCarthy, Jerry Jones, Will McLeigh, you know, they wanted offense in the first round. Then they looked at Dan Quinn in the second round and said,

all right, who do you want? Who's your guy? And, you know, Dan Quinn personally went to Ole Miss to work out Sam Williams.

They really wanted that edge rusher. And does he have some baggage? He does. And as long as you're okay with the person, I understand the value here in the second round. This guy is big, he's physical, and the straight line athleticism to threaten the corner, get after the quarterback, be disruptive. He has that. And he did it in the SEC on a consistent basis. They needed another piece on the edge to kind of fill in that rotation after losing Randy Gregory and free agency.

I mean, obviously you can do some stuff with Michael Parsons, but one of their biggest advantages last year is that they could put three edge rushers on the field. at the same time. Yep. They didn't have to lean on Michael Parsons full time in that role. So it may not seem like the most glaring need for them with those two guys already on the roster, Dane, but it does feel like this opens up the way they want to play defense. Again,

a guy that's over 260 pounds. I mean, he has size to him so he can move around a little bit. He is not just a certain type of pass rushers. So they could be a little creative with how they, they went defense heavy last year in the first three rounds. they're going back to that, but a guy with a little more juice than a Chauncey Goldston and the guys they drafted last year.

So that speed off the edge. Because 10-yard was crazy. Did she mention that? Yeah, he had one of the best 10-yard splits in this draft. He 261 pounds and he had a 152 split. I mean, that makes that in context for me. A wide receiver is jealous of that 10-yard split. You know, like I'm sure.

Yeah, let me get like a wide receiver. get Garrett Wilson's 10-yard split 153. So Sam Williams had a better 10-yard split than Garrett-Wilis. Yeah, 260. Yeah, exactly. At 260 plus. So, I mean, there's a lot to like about that athleticism and what he can do off the edge.

And that's what Dan Quinn likes. He loves guys that get off the ball. That's their thing. Pin your ears back. Go. Go. Recat it. Go do stuff. So that kind of seems like that type of guy is a traitsy guy. And when you have that type of get-off and we just, hey, let's get three or four of these guys out there. It's third and nine. Go out of boys, you know, and just, you know, get the quarterback. So that's the type of guy that they like and it makes sense.

Dane, I'm going to ask you this because I don't want to ask Nate because I know exactly what he's going to say or how he's going to approach this. What do you make of just what the Cardinals are trying to do? We always talk about when it comes to the draft and we project, it's not always about thinking common sense, you know, like what we would do or what makes what we think should happen. It's trying to get into the minds of these decision makers that don't always go with what we think. And to go with the Trey McBride, I mean, maybe the first two rounds have been all about

helping the quarterback, you know, getting a Hollywood brown. You add another tight end to the mix, but a receiving tight end. You know, a guy that that's where he's going to make his money. And especially a guy that between the 20s, you know, we talked maybe not in the red zone. He's necessarily going to stand out. but between the 20s, moving the chains, that's what he's going to give you. So I understand doing, you know,

making this type of move when you're getting a tight end that is a proven receiver can play through contact, can do some different things as a route runner for you, but still a little surprising to see the Cardinals go that route here in the second. Yeah, I think, I think what, because I kind of would knock down McBride a little bit, but the, I don't mind where McBride went in the draft.

It's just that fit. Yeah, that's really, that's where I was like, it's a little curious, sure. excuse me like you know it's kind of like oh wow so that's yeah and that's what it's very interesting colonels are another team i feel we say this about a few teams but they just do their own thing and i think i think dain you brought a great point on one of your mocks a few weeks ago and i think it was with the bills taking a receiver you're like sometimes you don't always just address weaknesses sometimes you just are lean into it yeah lean into it exactly right yeah hey this is one of our

let's keep replenishing it let's just keep doing it so that might be their thinking as well and it could be is something where they had a second round round grade on him and they were out of second round grades. They were under the third round. And we talk about follow the board. Follow the board. Yeah, exactly. We kill these teams when they don't follow the board.

Well, you know, maybe the Cardinals, that's what they were doing. Yeah. It wasn't a reach. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Max Williams done a one year deal for a million dollars. It's not like they have a long-term stability at that spot.

But it's just when you're thinking about the plan. Yeah. Would they get up for Earth? I think it was a fourth. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's a Tice O'Neill. The Buffalo Bills have traded the 57th pick to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

And with that 57th pick, in a 2022 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select tackle Central Michigan, Luke Godecki. Oh, Goddaki. So who had a Goddecki going ahead of Bernard Raymond, huh? Oh, people said everyone started going, hey, the other Central Michigan guy. What do we talk about in the first round with who Tampa won? They wanted to, you know, Zion Johnson was there. Kenyon Green was there. The guard was there.

They stay and pick. They get out of there. They take the defensive tackle. This is their guard. He's going to ask you, can he play guard? He is a guard. Oh, okay. Oh, gotcha.

They announced him as a tackle. He will not play tackle in the NFL. I mean, maybe kick him out in an emergency situation. He will be an interior line. Some teams like him best at center, but he will be an interior offensive lineman in the NFL, a shorter arm player

just like Bernard Raymond, a great backstory, kind of bet on himself, Division III, goes up to Central Michigan, changes positions from a tight end to an offensive lineman, did not play at all 2020 because he had a knee injury, comes back this year and really played himself into the draft

into the second round. It was one of those where everyone checked out the other guy, Raymond. And then they're like, hey, this other one's not too bad. But a lot of people, I had heard that a lot of teams once they started watching him working them out there like i like the other guy too like he was getting a lot of late buzz from a lot of teams once the offensive line coaches kind of started and all all you had to know about godacchi he gets hurt the first play of practice of the senior bowl he's in tears goes the locker room he's in tears he's this is his chance he cares

about this a lot not able to do it um and that kept him out of the senior bowl cut him out of the combine cut him out of his pro day he had a pro day in april mid-april there were double digital offensive line coaches there just to see him. Raymond also worked out too. So two for one. Sure. But double digit offensive line coaches, double digit scouts there, very well attended. And that tells you all you need to know about

the NFL interest in both these players. Where does he fall with some of the other interior offensive linemen that are still on the board to you? I had him right there in the mix with, I mean, I had Dylan Partum from Memphis, Luke Fortner from Kentucky, Luke Gedecki from Central Michigan. I had him very closely rated. So

not a shock that Goddeky goes ahead of him. A little surprise, he goes ahead of Raymond, though. That is a little bit of a surprise. And that's, with Raymond, yeah, he's a little bit of a project, and that's not ideal for a 25-year-old. I think that's what it comes down to with him. But still a little surprise, he's on the board. Looking at just teams right now that had picked in the last 10 picks or so,

I mean, the Bears probably could have used an offensive lineman, theoretically. The Colts absolutely need a left tackle, but I don't think Bernard Raymond is an early starting left tackle for you, for the most likely. And then, I mean, you have a team like Cardinals who theoretically could have used to tackle and decided to go with the tight end instead. So, yeah. In the 22 NFL draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Troy Anderson, linebacker, Montana State.

This guy's unique. Super athlete. Ahead in the Kobe Dean, you know, who would have guessed that? And that's why we love the draft. That's just crazy. And Troy Anderson, the background on him is fascinating. I mean, you ever seen Yellowstone? He grew up on a ranch in Montana.

You know, not quite the same situation. But he won numerous state titles in high school in track, in football and basketball. He was just a do-everything guy. And he goes to Montana State and he's their quarterback. He's their running back. He, to this day, ranks top 10 in school history and rushing yards. So just a remarkable journey to this point. And then moves the linebacker, he becomes this.

Big Sky defensive player of the year, goes to the combine in his pro day. Okay, I mean, just at 6.3 and a half, 243 pounds, 442 in the 40-yard dash, 6773 cone. The jumps were outstanding, 36 and 108, 149, 10. I mean, just a super, super athlete. Now, the defensive instincts are still coming around. It's still developing. You can tell the wheels are turning a little bit with, you know, reading his keys, reading the blocks. fit that right there.

Right. Exactly. So it's something that he shows in spurts, but it's still kind of putting it together. But you're going to bet on athletes, especially here in the late second. I'm sure he's going to be so valuable on teams while he figures it out. Oh, for sure. He's a tough fast guy. And what team are we talking about?

Yeah. Same conversation we had about the texts with John Matching. And just the timeline that you're on and how that can affect who you need, why you need them. They can wait for Troy Anderson to come along a little bit for those instincts to develop. because it truly doesn't matter how many football games the Falcons win in 2021. And I think they're probably aware of that. I think they're very okay having projects. Like, oh, he's a year away.

Oh, look at that 2023 QB class. That's actually, I had Anderson going with Falcons in my mock at this pick. I mean, because exactly everything we just talked about. You're catching it. You're on a heater right now. Sometimes you get lucky in Vegas, right? 99th pick in a 22 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select, Ed Ingram, guards from LSU. Okay.

Not surprised that he's, but it's a little surprising he's head of Parham and some of the other guards still available. But Ed Ingram. I know a lot of teams were soured on him because his combine was rough. I mean, like a 20 in the vert or something like that. Yeah. But you watch him on film and this guy is moving bodies consistently. And, you know, he's a player at a point of attack. He can take his guy where he wants.

And that power is his calling card. and he moves pretty well. He's just maybe not naturally explosive, but he moves pretty well. He's a good foot athlete for a guy that's 310 pounds. They signed Jesse Davis in Free Agency, but again, that's a short-term fix.

They absolutely need interior offensive line help. He could be the starter right now. Jesse Davis is not going to be blocking anybody from a starting job if Edgroom wins and camp. Well, and then that's too, is that sometimes what Kirk Cousin struggles with. Oh, and we tell, yeah. No, no, he's an old,

Gabe Jacksonish, a little bit. Okay. All right. You know, that's style of play. You know, he's a pulling guard. I just watch him wipe out two dudes as a polar hair in 10 seconds. But it's another, we talk about Justin Herbert and Zion Johnson yesterday, but also Kirk Cousins was his internal pressure he really struggles with.

That's when you get the Kirk, you know, those moments. And then that's when bad stuff happens with Kirk. The longer to play goes, the more you're like, oh, no, with Kirk cousins. So you get, you're just shoring up the middle. You're just showing, letting him step up, letting him operate. I get it. I think he is going to be an instant starter for them. And it's just different from the style they've gone for the last few years.

Like really, offensive line, they like the kind of traitsy guys. So he's more of an old school maller type. And sometimes to a detriment, he'll lean sometimes. Yeah, the mechanics can be tidied up a little bit.

But yeah, you love the point of attack, what he's going to give you with the power. So, I mean, he turns defensive linemen into folding chairs. Yeah, it is fun.

I know. It's especially as, offensive lines have gotten lighter. It's so much fun when you see these, like, kind of like big dudes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, doing some stuff. So was there a bill straight, too? Or am I wrong again?

I just messed this up again from what. They were the ones that traded back, right? Yeah, they traded back three spots here with Tampa. That's what it was. Yep. I knew they were involved in a trade. So the Vikings offensive line coach, Chris Cooper, was the assistant offensive line coach under Mike Munchack in Denver for the last

three years. And I'm wondering, schematically, I mean, the Broncos's run game. They do a little bit of everything, don't they? Yep. A lot more power last year. A lot more gap stuff last year. And that's what Munchak. Munchak, he loves duo. Like, that's his thing and duo's power. I'm just trying to figure out what

is the running game in Minnesota going to look like. So O'Connell comes from the Rams, but the Rams still have folded in a ton more gap stuff than you typically think. So we ascribe the small zone-based offensive line type of approach to the players that you might want that system, but maybe that is a little bit of

regressive thing. And the Rams and this is tackle, but they've had Rob Havenstein at Wright tackle for years. And that's a ballroom braw or big body type. So they get it done with whatever body types there is. That kind of whole traditional Shanahan, we're playing 295 pounders. Like really, Shanahan's really the only one that does it still. I think these guys have more high, they're just taking the best players possible for that. Bengals trade up here.

So go to 60. Buffalo moved back three spots with Tampa. Then I'm moving three spots more with Cincinnati. So interesting. Do you have D line here? Well, so it went safety or DB with Daxon Hill in the first round. I love that kind of. Yeah, DB.

It's not safety. Area of Winfrey is still available, right? Yeah, he is. Defensive tackle is still out there. They could go. I know they want a tight end at some point. And this is the range for them. Right.

Now we're getting into that tight end range. If they want, you know, Dulcich or Ruckert or wherever their tight end is, that could be a possibility. records used to having three playing with three good receivers and getting no targets. In Ohio. Yeah. It would be an easy transition for him. Yeah, this is, I know, this is, this, I'm very curious who they bumped up for right here because that was kind of funny when they said that needs right there.

They're at corner. Yeah. But that's a nice position to be in for advance. They might have addressed that last night. You know, it's yet to be seen exactly how they're going to use Daxon Hill. But, yeah, it'll be interesting. Maybe, let's see, who's the top corner? corner available on my board.

Cam Taylor Britt from Nebraska, I think is a good player. Tariq Wollan from UTSA. Kobe Bryant, Cincinnati, the other Cincinnati corner. The Jim Thorpe winner. Yeah, exactly. Oh, you don't want to throw it sauce? Okay, well. Yeah, exactly.

The Bengals get one eight, or excuse me, the bills get 180 to move back three spots here, which when he's the first pick in the sixth. So we're in that ranch. That's where you're getting here. Right. We're back three spots in the second round. Yeah. Calling about 2020.

Hey, you sure you don't want to give up a fourth in 2023? Maybe a third. It's going to be pick 90. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't had any future picks yet. No. This draft, right?

Don't think so. No, I don't believe so. Not that I've seen. People are holding on those. They don't want to give them up. Yeah. That's, and hey, we're what, four picks left, five picks left. No quarterbacks.

That's fascinating. That's so fascinating. This is, yeah, very, very interesting. We try and think it to inside the box here just in terms of defensive line help and tight end for the Bengals, anything else that jumps to mind? Could they go back to the secondary? Maybe an interior offensive lineman? Maybe.

Yeah, that's true. Offensive line, yeah, sure. I mean, they obviously spent a free agency, but. Just keep replenishing it. Why not? Yeah. Why not? I mean, it's a position that obviously was the need and, you know, poor resources into it.

Yeah, I know. So that's, it's interesting. But obviously they like a guy if they're going to bump up just a little bit for them. Yeah, I mean, my top interior offensive lineman, Dary and Kinnar, Jamari Solior, from Memphis, Dylan Parham, Luke Fortner from Kentucky. So there's some good names out there, versatile players that can play multiple positions up front, guard, center. And they could use that versatility on the offensive line. It's starting to shape up here, Dan, where I'm not sure we're going to get another quarterback in the second round. Unless we see a trade, yeah.

It's shocking. It is. During the conversation we had last night going into the today's show, I mean, the idea that none of these guys might go in the second round. Yeah, it really is. And, you know, Malik Willis, I was the argument with people three weeks ago. They was going two overall. Like, now that I think he'd fall this far?

Absolutely not. Yeah. But, you know, it's just, there's questions on these guys. And, you know, we heard all along that, you know, quarterbacks or quarterbacks, you're going to take a chance on these players. But. Hello, Bill. have traded the 60th pick to the Cincinnati Bengals.

With the 60th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Cam Taylor Britt. Defensive back, Nebraska. I like it. I like Cam Taylor Brits. He was a high school offensive player, moved to defense, played some safety, played some corner. So they go back to that well.

But he is a corner. I think so. I think so. way that we're going to what Dax Hill was a projection and we're saying maybe can he do it

in the right situation. Camp Child Britsy was a more true corner. Man, zone. I mean, he has versatility. You like the ball skills. You like the physicality that he plays with.

And he tested really well for, you know, a decent size player, ran a four three. So there's a lot of things you could do with a player like this. I mean, he kind of reminded me

of maybe the defensive version of like an Alex Pierce where you, you know, you see you like the flashes. You like the testing. You know, maybe not a complete player,

but there's, are some things that you really like that project well to the next level. You see the path. Yeah, yeah. But another player that has maybe, I haven't watched much of him, but what I have seen from him is some inside out, aggressive player, right? He tackle pretty well. So like with those guys, like that makes sense for the Bengals because they're going to, I mentioned this last night with Hill is they're going to go funky on passing downs. And so those guys that can be physical and be, even though you're a DB, you have to be a tackle, even though you are a linebacker, you have to cover, or you have to be a blitz. Or you have to be a

blitzer. You know, they like that versatility. And if you're going to test well, that, you know, that helps. He was number 57 overall on my board. So right where I think that late second, that it makes total sense. Even if we're not excited about E.Y. Apple is a season long solution or is a long-term solution. He's only there for a year. If he does have to sit for a little while, they have the guy who started for them the entire year last year. So you can both with Jackson Hill and now with Cam Taylor Britt come along as slowly as you want to. But that's where Cincinnati is. Yeah. You know, when you have, all of these resources to plug three holes on the

interior on the offensive line and one off season. When you have last off season where they can spend all this money to find guys they need to start on defense. Now you're just building contingency plans. You're insulating yourself from, well, if this goes south, if this goes sideways, we still have depth at a position where depth is hugely important. Yes.

Yeah. That's the Ravens. Yeah, exactly, right? I mean, you can't have enough corners. You cannot have enough corners. It's like pitchers in baseball. You just can't have enough of them. And going after both Daxon Hill, Cam Taylor Britt, four, three guys, you know,

there's some versatility with what they can do. You know, I can understand why they went this route with their first two picks. We wanted, you and I've talked about this for the last few weeks. I didn't want them to get sucked into, you know, we need another offensive piece or we need this, we need that. Their defense, you always want to be figuring out what the next stage looks like. How do you refresh it? How do you make sure that you don't get stale on that side of the ball?

You don't let the regression monster kind of catch up to you. And it feels like trying to inject the secondary with some real athletes, with some real athleticism, with some youth. I mean, it all makes sense to me when you're thinking about a plan. They don't have a ton of speed in their DB room. No. They were smart. That's what we always commented on.

They're smart and low-go. And they read the game really well. And now you're putting guys back there. Okay, now they have a little bit of breathing room or room for error that they might not have had before. Yeah, I mean, a guy that has ball skills. He has the competitiveness, size, speed. So it checks a lot of those. And now, the route recognition, that's where he needs to develop and get a little bit better.

But the physical traits, everything else, check those boxes. Niners. Finally. Pick is in here picking at 61. Last night, we heard some rumblings. Our own Matt Barrow's reported that it sounds like the Niners. So they thought that they were going to get a king's ransom for Debo Samuel. Instead, the Jets offered pick 10 and a fifth.

rounder in exchange for Debo and the Niners' second round pick, 61 overall. This pick right now, yeah. Probably not enough when we've seen what some of the other receivers in the league have gone for. I'm not sure how serious that offer really is, but that's something that was on the table. Niners choose not to go that route. Debo remains a Niner even in the wake of the AJ Brown deal and all of the other rumblings that we've heard here. And it's when we talked about how Matt Barrows, excuse me,

Matt Barrow's our athletic writer had the news. But with Debo Samuel, his fit outside of that offense. It's just, is he as valuable to other teams as he is San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan? It's a discussion point. It's something that as much as I love Debo Samuel as a player as a playmaker, it's hard to nail down his value in a trade like this where you have to go pay him. And, you know, he's a good player. I want him on my team.

but what is the value in a trade like this? Yeah, and I think you're getting no matter what, as much as you want to go, oh, we'll do the same things we're doing on San Fran. You're getting no matter what 90% of them. Like, just because of what the 49ers in Kyle Shan unlocked that extra 10% of value from him. And also, and those running back carries and people said, oh, everyone's taking running back carries before. Not like this. He's running counter of the middle and power.

I mean, real running back reps. Those add up. Those touches add up. He's been banged up throughout his career. So he's a little risk. in the 2022 NFL draft. The San Francisco 49ers select Drake Jackson, linebacker USC.

It goes a perfect spot. Never enough past rushers in San Francisco. No. This is a purpose. We were talking about this before the show started today, day. Coming into this season, you had Drake Jackson as a definitive first round pick. You're one of the best players in this entire draft.

Walk me through what the last year has looked like for him, why he might have fallen a little bit, and why a team like San Francisco could talk themselves into him. And I think we really have to go back three years, you know, the full college career for Drake Jackson. He comes in as a four-star recruit, highly recruited, and he's a bigger guy. He's playing at like 280 as a freshman, and he's a freshman All-American. Then that new coaching staff comes in.

Todd Orlando, his defense, he's playing, they want to move to a B-backer. So he's playing now at 240. And so it's like trying to find where he's at his best. And I'm watching him, I'm thinking, oh, I want this. got to be more powerful. I see the loose body control. I see some of the Twitch, but I want to see more power to him. And so he goes to the combine

and 254 than at the Pro Day, 273. That tells me that scouts told him bulk up, you want to see more of that power, put on that weight, be better at the point of attack. And that's because that's what you wanted to see more of from that 2021 tape. And

it's, you know, what they asked him to do the past two years in that scheme, I think it'd be very different than what they're going to ask him to do now in the NFL with the 49ers. Just keep it simple for him too. And the 49ers too, that's what's going to be nice is that he doesn't have to eat all those reps early.

He can go with a defensive line that they like to rotate their guys, get some nice subrushes in there, hey, and just ease into his role and let him really add polish to it. The two snaps we just saw, just him go to work. Pin his ear is back.

Go to work. You're stand up, but you can go inside out, go to work. They lost Arden Key and Free Agency. Got just that connective tissue of that defensive line room where they can line up all those guys in all those ways. You bring in another edge.

You can bring him in on passing downs. You can bump Eric Armstead inside. They just love that. Ken law coming back. They love it. Yep. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.

So Brian Cook to Chiefs go Brian Cook here at 62, Dane. He was my best available safety. And it's refreshing to see him go this early because I was a little worried he was going to fall because he's basically missed the entire process because he had a shoulder injury. He had to get fixed after the college full. playoffs that Cincinnati played in. So no Senior Bowl, no combine, you're missing that testing data.

So I was a little worried, might follow the fourth round, day three. We see him here in the second. Maybe the best tackling safety in this draft, his ability to break down, calm his feet, and just be a reliable tackler. Very few mistackles on his tape. But he also has range where he can make plays at the sideline. He can make plays in coverage.

So I love Brian Cook as a player and very refreshing to see him, still going the second round, even though he's missed most of the pre-duff process. How do you think a guy like Brian Cook, based on what Dan just said, and it fits with Juan Thornehill and now Justin Reed is in Kansas City? I like it, but you're getting another heady player. And Spag's legs, you're putting an awkward positions in those defenses. So you get a guy, they might bring something funky in the next play.

They drop A and play cover two behind it, but you're getting a guy that can do both. That unlocks a lot. And you're also getting a competitive player. And the fact that you brought the tackling matters. That was the thing with the Chief's defense last year. I made jokes about it. We made jokes about on the show. The Chiefs defense, especially their DBs,

were terrible at tackling at the end of the year last year. It cost them the first Bengals game. Kind of cost them the second Bengals game. And I don't know if anyone knows those games mattered. But that's where I think maybe they go, okay, we got to get a little more physicality at those positions and smarter players are more aware. After every draft,

I power rank my favorite draft classes, one to 32. Chiefs have a pretty good, uh, I mean, Carl Hofftis is, we talked about what they did last night with McDuffie and Carl Offtis. They come back with Skymore. I'm Brian Cook now.

I mean, that's a decent team that's just getting better. I never thought they would get Skymore. This was it, right? Where they were picking, probably weren't going to get any star level players in this draft. Guys were like, holy shit, like I can't believe they just got that guy.

But this was their chance to completely retool areas of this roster with cheap players. I mean, that's exactly what they've done. And a little surprise that, you know, they get multiple picks in the first four rounds. And I said, I'll be shocked.

if they pick eight players with those. But so far, they've picked four players with their first two, first rounders, two second rounders. I haven't done much in terms of being aggressive to go get someone. And it's worked out. You know,

it's been okay, you know, because they're still, you know, getting good players. So, well, I guess they moved up for Trent McDuffie in the first.

But it's still not some of the big swings that we thought they might take. It just seems to me, kind of like, they're having one of those drafts where it's a lot of favorites, where it's a lot of people that watch it go, like, like, I like that guy. I don't know if I'd like him here,

but it's a lot of guys that's like back pocket favorites that a lot of us have. You know when people will tweet and they go, they're not the best player, but my favorite player in the draft. And then that's the McDuffy. I mean, I think the Ravens and the Chiefs have both done that. Correct.

Carl Offis is some people's favorites. I know Derek Classen, who I did Leisure Report stuff with. He liked Carl Office just as well as Aiden Hutchinson. I know you said a scout like that as well. You know, again, it's Skymore. A ton of people love Skymore. I like Skymore.

You like Skymore. Dane. Those guys, it's just a lot of guys that's, they're good football players. And I think that's what they're accumulate. We make jokes that the Texans are filled with 76 to 78 overall guys. The Chiefs kind of need that, though. They can't just have all 95 and 65.

Like, they need more guys that are low 80s, and that's what they're getting. When you look at the way that they've paid some of these guys, Mahomes. Kelsey's on a, obviously a very expensive veteran deal. They have Frank Clark on a monster contract. Even after taking a little bit of a discount, Chris Jones is really getting paid. I mean, you need to offset that with. guys that just build up the rest of the roster and bring it all together. And all these guys are going to be playing early.

We talk about a guy like Alec Pierce, he's a bit of a project. All these other guys are like, okay, you know, Abiketti. It's like, okay, you know, I would have liked that for them because they may be their timeline works for it, but it's like they're getting guys, they're rebooting. It's not, you know, they're reloading. I think it may be a better word. It's not like they're just going like, oh, we got a bunch of projects and we got, we have time for these guys.

No, we're getting guys that can play day one. And now with the three safeties, I mean, with, with Cook coming in there, they are comfortable playing three safeties. at the same time. They've done it before. I was wondering how the rolls shake out now. Now that Matthews gone and just like with the actual delineation of responsibility. It always was, you could tell all their defensive calls was, all right, what does Honey Badger do?

Okay, now everyone else filling up your spots. It's Justin Reed that guy. Is that how they see him? And it's just, I'm curious how that ends up shaking out. Yeah. So the Bill's pick is in here at 63. We've got two picks left in the second round. We're going to take a quick break after 64 when we get there.

But we got two more here. Check this out. It's only one football. team in New York State. And that's the Buffalo Bills. With that being said, Bill's Mafia has chosen James Cook

from Georgia. Okay. And, you know, we thought there's a good chance Buffalo wanted to go running back here. Brees Hall went quickly. Then soon after Kenneth Walker went off the board, Buffalo moving back, moving back, still thinking

that he could get their running back. And they get him with James Cook, Dalvin Cook's little brother. who is a little different. I mean, he's, he's a lot different than Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker. You know, he's not, we're going to go for a bigger guy.

Yeah, exactly. Between the tackles guy, but James Cook's not that guy. He is not, doesn't have the, necessarily the balance or the run power to be between the tackles, but you want him getting the ball in space.

Yep. But I don't know. It's going to be fun watching him. Motion out. He's going to run routes. Josh Allen, looking for him down the field. You could do a lot of things with that versatility.

So it's a little. little bit of a pivot from where I think they wanted to go and where we thought they were going, but not necessarily, uh, you know, a bad thing because there's a lot to like it by James Goh. Yeah, he's a legit past catching back where who can actually run a route. Yes. It's not just like, oh, okay, it's a slander ago. From different points of the formation too. Well, who did this team chasing three agency and not end up getting?

J.D. McKissick, right. They wanted a past catching presence. It's a great point. Yep. And they wanted somebody who can do all that different kind of stuff. Any, any excuse. I mean, I know that Brian Dable is not there anymore, but any excuse this offensive staff can have to throw the ball more and run the ball less. They're probably going to take it.

And it seems like a running back whose best attribute is catching passes falls in lines with that. And like, Brees Hall would have been perfect for them because that's why I thought personally anyways, because I thought they like more of the spready looks, even though they're getting more tighter at the end of the last year. But I actually like those bigger backs when it's so spread out and you're handing it off and they can just plow through with one linebacker in the box. And that's what I kind of, I was looking for more of those three down guys, maybe like Rashad White on day three.

You know something like that. So they run full on scatback. Like that's what he is. He has a little more running to him. He's not an 180 pound guy. Like, but it's, you know, that's what he is. That's why you draft him is as a pass catcher first. The versatility brings there.

And then he does, you know, a fine running back as far as running wall. Broncos picking here at 64. This is the Von Miller trade. They have two picks that just kind of sneak up on you here in this draft where Dane was asking me before where they got it. You start to forget. Yeah, where all these picks come from, why teams have them. Oh, man.

Look at how I was doing. It also looks great. Those all of us? Nick Benito from Oklahoma Dane. I mean, just pure pass rusher, right? You want speed off the edge, a guy that can win with that first step, the Burr's that he offers another guy with a big time 10-yard split. But you have to be a little creative with them in terms of where you line them up.

Because there are some questions about as a run defender, just being consistent. But, you know, this is the point where I think. think he makes sense. You know, in the late second, early third, get a guy that even if he's a sub-packaged player as a rookie, he's giving you that juice off the edge. He's going to make the quarterback nervous. He's going to make the quarterback move his feet.

And so there's a little bit of a, you know, hybrid nature to him in terms of how he's going to be used. But if you have a plan in place for Nick Bedito, absolutely he could be a big-time asset for you, rushing from different angles. Yeah, and they're trying to get him and Randy Gregory, you know, pin their ears back and go. Like, you know, that's what they're trying to go.

He doesn't need to play right away. Yeah. Hopefully Chub comes back healthy. They have Randy Gregory. He can be a sub-packaged player as a rookie and just feels like you can deploy him in interesting ways, let him come along in his own pace. This team needed pass rush juice. Yes, they did.

Coming into this season, after what happened last year, you know, trading Von Miller away, all the injuries Chubb has dealt with. They go get Randy Gregory. Now they double up here, Dan. With their first pick in this draft, they double dip getting another pass rusher. Nick Benito is my 65th overall player. So getting him out 64 makes sense. This is the range for him.

Again, questions in the run game, but that's not why you're drafting him. You're drafting him for what he can do to the backfield, be disruptive. And, you know, line him up as a quarterback spy on some of these plays. Be creative with how you're going to use him. It's not as simple as wide nine or just, you know, putting him on the edge and just say, go.

Be a little creative with how you deploy a talent like this. But when you're playing Mahomes and Herbert, four games a year, which gets as much juice as we get after the quarterback. When you look at Joe Evera, who's now their defensive coordinator, what the Rams did on third downs over the last few years, it's wonky stuff. I mean, it's let's deploy these guys and they're very specific ways that this is what they do well. We're just going to unleash it on third down.

I assume you're going to see a lot of that. All right. At the end of round two, we're going to take a quick break before we get back for the third round. Stick around. Welcome. Back to the athletic football show as I interrupt. some biofreeze on my back. I'm an old man.

We are starting the third round here. We are running through these picks. The pick is in for the Jacksonville Jaguars as 65 Dane. Luke Fortner from Kentucky, interior offensive line for the Jags. They needed somebody. I was hoping that they would draft Tyler Linderbaum because I wanted Tyler Linderbom to step in for Brandon Linder

and then you could just alter the jerseys. You can just put some bomb on the end of your Linder jersey. Yeah. Fortner's a good player in his own right. I mean, a guard center at Kentucky played mostly guard up until this season. It started at center and turned himself into a draft pick. I mean, he was a borderline guy until this season, goes to the senior bowl, has a great week at the senior bowl. Good size player, 6-4-307, you know, huge hands.

There's a lot to like about the versatility that he offers because he could play anywhere on the interior. Which is huge. Yeah, he's not a center only guy. And, I mean, I always like it. I'm a sucker for pairing a young center with a young quarterback too. So, and they needed one. I mean, they really did need a guy. So I really like that.

And you love guys that are centers. You want centers that are smart, right? Yes. He's got multiple master degrees. He's multiple degrees, uh, including multiple masters. So this guy, he checks that box for sure. I actually didn't realize how long he was. I thought I actually had shorter runs at 33, but it's like, yeah, I don't know.

I remember watching him. I didn't think that. I mean, even with all they've spent on the offensive line this offseason, franchising Cam Robinson going to get brand and sheriff, they had multiple holes. Linda retires. I mean, they needed. potentially a starter at that spot. I mean, there's a chance.

He comes in with the 65th pick here as a third round pick and has a chance to play right away from that day. He is ready to start right now. He was a long-term player at Kentucky. He's an older player, so he's ready to get out there and make something happen. And again, it could be a guard, it could be at center. He gives you that position flex. And I know a favorite of our buddy, Brandon Thorne as well.

This is the range. A little surprise he went ahead of Dylan Parham from Memphis, but we thought early third round, makes a ton of sense, especially with the run, a little run we've seen on centers. We saw Lindermann in the first, then Cam Juergens in the second, Luke Gedecki, if they're going to play him at center. So Giants making the pick now. 67th pick of the NFL draft, the New York Giants select Josiah Azudu Guard, North Carolina.

And we actually did miss a pick earlier, 66 of the Vikings with Brian SMO with the linebacker, who undersized, but speed. Even though he's smaller, he's got good arm length. So, you know, for a player that maybe doesn't have the height or build you traditionally look for, a longer linebacker, which is a good thing. And then the speed that he offers is big time with Azuzu from the Giants, guard tackle versatility for them, a guy that was going to go to the senior bowl, but actually had a little bit of an injury.

So wasn't able to go. and so I've been flying under the radar, but he was a player in the third round that I think a lot of teams, that's where they had them. Marks Garcia there as their left guard for the moment. John Feliciano on a short-term deal. Mark Lewinsky, hopefully will be there for a couple of years, but they're going to have a hole at left guard.

As soon as next season, the Giants are. So there's a chance that Azudu has a chance to, not only compete for a starting job this year, but absolutely moving forward here in 2023. We're starting to get players that might be on the Giants in 2020, that's funny. We got the, you know, pairing him with Neil. I mean, now you're repunishing that line.

They're investing in that group. 100%. Again, we talked about yesterday. Bobby Johnson is doing backflips somewhere. So loud. With all these that draft picks. Very, very. In the first hundred picks that they're getting along the offensive line.

Yes. Yeah. And we talked about Denver making their first pick in this draft. Browns are on the clock. This will be their first pick. And I think what only the Rams haven't picked yet, I believe. And the Raiders. After the Browns pick here.

Marissa is on it over here. Shout out. because she's on point. She knows a draft better than I do. The Giants are so interesting to me because we want to take the ideas that Brian Dable used with the bills and just graph them on to whatever team he goes with. That's not like his history. Brian Dable didn't do this stuff for a decade.

It's not the system that they ran forever. Even them taking Wondale, they didn't have a guy like that in Buffalo. They didn't have like that small kind of gadget. type receiver until now with James Cook. I mean, they had Isaiah McKenzie, but Isaiah McKenzie was a role player until a couple stretch last year. Yeah. And I mean, you know, they're Beasley, but then it was just, but Beasley.

These are traditional slot receivers. Traditional slot, yes. It's not the Jets sweep. And that, but you, Mike Kafka comes in as their offensive coordinator from Kansas City. So it's just how they piece that together and what the offense ends up looking like. Yeah. I think we all have an idea in our minds of what the Giants might be offensively. I know.

We might be totally off. I know. I mean, shoot, they've had, not whispers or of it, but just kind of going, like, how are they going to use Daniel Jones? Because it's like, I'm curious. I'm just very curious. Are they going to start using his legs? Because he is such a good athlete with such a good size. So that's also, too, is like throwing that in there.

But I do like that they replenish the line. Like, I like that. And they're getting a certain type, it seems like, you know, they're getting that size. Like they're real, you can see what they're going to do. Is that as a zudu in my prostate, right? I mean, he's got 34-inch arms. He's 6-4, over 300 pounds. So, yeah, what I loved about of Zoodoo, too, is he, every year, the last three years at North Carolina, he had multiple starts at multiple positions.

Tackle, guards. They kept moving back and forth. They, you know, at a necessity more than anything. And he was up to the task every single time. That matters so much. Just because a lot of times it's like you have an idealized world and you think everyone's going to be healthy every single game. And then you might have your guard might be. be out. Your right tackle might be out for two games with a high ankle sprain or four games.

All right. We don't like him at right tackle. But the fact, okay, you've done it though, right? You've done it. It's actual reps. It's not like, oh, two weeks of camp, where we're giving you three reps a day at it. It's that stuff really, really matters to offensive line versatility. That's, and not to bring him in, or not to bring him, I am bringing him in, but like, that was some people's knocks on like Linderbaum. Oh, he's a center only. But it's like, oh, he's pretty pretty freaking good at it. Something that Lance Dirline and I talk about all the time on, on the podcast is for an offensive lineman, it doesn't always look pretty, but sometimes if you just ride the bull, you know, just give defenders a fight where, yeah, exactly, wear them down and just hold

your ground. It doesn't have to look pretty. If you're keeping your guy in front of you from getting past you and getting to the quarterback, heck, you're doing your job. And I think that's what Azudu does. It doesn't always look perfect. It doesn't always look. Picture, you know, exactly what the coaching tape says. Yeah. But he gets the job done consistently. So, Dan, the Browns are on the clock here at 68. A receiver that would make sense for them here? There's somebody that you think would be in range could potentially contribute for them early. Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama.

I think he's, in terms of NFL readiness, he would be the top guy. He's coming, even though we played in South Alabama, this is a player that when he went up against better competition did not shrink. Watch him against Tennessee last year. Watch him at the Senior Bowl played big time and big time moments. So size, not a burner.

It's not how he wins, but he understands how to leverage coverage. can win down the field, tracks the ball really well. So Jalen Tolbert would be one of those names. And then David Bell from Purdue, who we've seen so many receivers going off the board were kind of tapped out a little bit in terms of, I mean, your guy, Kalilu Shakir is still out there, Calvin Austin, who's a smaller, certain type of, you know, fit with your receiver. Very, very, very.

But the Browns, oh, defense here, they need, they have some holes there as well. Because the Cleveland Browns are picking for the future. Oh, my God. This is right now. We've got two wrestlers already. Proud Cleveland native right there. He loves. 2020 NFL draft.

The 2023 Super Bowl winning Cleveland Brown select. Martin Emerson, defensive back, Mississippi State. Yeah. Yeah. When Dane can't get excited, you know it's probably, Probably a lukewarm selection here. I mean, I don't know. He's a four or five corner.

Good size. I mean, sizes is called. Six one and a half, 200 pounds. You know, he has length you can play with. You like that part of it. But I don't know, just surprised. It's this corner over some of these other corners that could have been available. So does it feel like they need a corner?

They drafted Greg Ruebtsom in the first round last year. Exactly. They just gave the award. $500 million. They must have had a second round grade on them. You know, it's, they're staying true to the board. That must be what this is. Because this isn't a guy that you're,

you think they're going to play in the slot. I don't think that's, right. Exactly. Yeah, I see him as a size guy. Yes. Outside only. Cover two, cover three.

Like, yes. And it's funny, though, it's that he might be the youngest corner on the board. And isn't that the Andrew Barry call a car? It's important. It matters. He might, he's 21 or is it. Yeah, 21 and a half. Yep.

So, but that might be part of it. But yeah, when I watched him because I was watching other offensive guys that going against Mississippi State, it was, it was just sized. That's why I saw it with him. And then that was it was more like using the length and getting in the way as far as like overwhelming twitchiness or overwhelming IQ. And so it was like more like, yeah, it was you're vent on that and that we can hone it in, use it better, I guess.

I liked him, but then when you stack them up against other corners and other things like, I had a fifth round grade on them. And again, I want my corners to have ball production. Yeah. One interception in three years, and that interception came as freshman year, in 12 games this year. You know how many passes defended yet? Three. I mean, I don't know.

I just, I won a little bit more from my DBs. In the 2022 NFL draft, our Tennessee Titans select, Nicholas, Patiz Frere. Tackle. Tackle. Ohio State. Take hands up a guard. Yeah, well, Mike Frable's got a good. Ohio State connection.

So he's got everything he needs to know about Petit Ferrer. You know, former five-star guy. He showed up to Ohio State about 267 pounds. Redshirted and, you know, he was a right tackle last year, moved to left tackle this past season. There's a lot to like about the flexibility and some of the, I think the word I used in his report was he's a spry big man. Like that's kind of how, not necessarily explosive or twitchy,

but he's spry with some of his movements. But he's still young with the play strength. you worry about the technique. I don't think this is a guy you're putting out there from day one. You need to continue and develop him. But, I mean, really, really good in that zone offense they run. You think he's a tackle? I do, yeah.

I mean, the play strength is a big issue for me with him. And I think that's something that will be maybe even more exploited when everything happens so much quicker at guard. Yep. So the reason I ask the question is because Tennessee, you look at it. they have immediate need at guard. They move on from Madrasaf all this off season. They have a spot at left guard that they need to.

Who are their starting guards right now? Aaron Brewers are left guard. Okay. Dave is just the right guard. What about the North Dakota State kid from last year? He's there's, because I actually liked him better as a guard. I wonder if they might move a little,

be a little flexible there with him. Because that's the question. They played Cuis and Barry there last year, which I think is probably not how they would have done it in an ideal world. Redoons would have been ready he would have played. He did not. So we may see some shifting pieces there if you think that he could play some guard. The Jags here at 70. Peck is in.

I'm curious about that too because when watching my exposure to Petit Ferrer, too, was that like it was anchor. It was always anchor. And that was he was getting bull rush and push back, but then you see length. How many linebackers do the Jags in these? Yeah. They got a good track record with Wyoming. Defenders.

Who's the safety? Shoot. Yeah, the safety. I came in. It made escaping me. But a really productive player at Wyoming and he's an okay player for the Jaguars. But yeah, it's a fair point. I mean, they, again, we talked about yesterday.

They give Foyalukon all that money. And then yesterday they trade up in the first round for Devin Lloyd to go get Devin Lloyd. And now they draft Chad Muma in the third round. Interesting. How many linebackers they want to play at the same time? What year is it? Yeah. Unless they view Devin Lloyd as being more of a rusher or they view.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. There's a lot of resources there. It is. Yeah. Andrew Wingard. Thank you. Andrew Wingard.

I'll talk about it in a minute. But yeah, no, I, this is a weird allocation of resources because, I mean, I know this has been a talking point for a lot of us. I still thought they could maybe add another receiver. I thought I'd give them a weapon. I actually thought because of having Ingram's an F-only tight-end, maybe you get a Y-ish tight-end. This is right in that range, you know, Rucker, those guys. Dolchish is more of an F, but he can maybe develop into a Y if, maybe he has the length and everything. But it's, you know, that's curious to me.

That's also a position that stretches. So, you know, you can understand, I guess. What do you think of movement as a player? I love him. I mean, big-time athlete. He's a high school safety. He's a good player, yeah. Yeah, I mean, speed is outstanding.

He was another one of Dei's guys. Dei's a big, a guy. Easy. Big movement guys. I'm going to go back to that a few times. Some of the point of attack stuff, you know, he needs to get a little bit better at with a take on. He kind of runs around, guys.

Yeah, yeah. But with that speed, he's a 40-inch vertical guy. So, yeah, there's a lot to like about it. And again, this might be a situation where they had a second round grade on them,

wiped out, and they stay true to the board. And a team like the Jaguars that are, I'm trying here. I'm doing my best. Hey, trying to explain the line. I love it.

I want to see you twist yourself and knots here. The injury stuff from Nicobi Dean must be a little more serious than was let on because he's still available here as we get to the 70s. So, like Christian Harris. Austin Gale, the BFF is just reported

that per source, NCOB Dean declined to have surgery on his shoulder and it's now a major concern, Red Flag. I mean, that's... One way to look at it. I think that could be part of it. I mean, that's, again, teams,

he did not work out at all, you know, in terms of testing, pre-draft combine pro day. And there were questions about, I was told, the knee and the peck and maybe that peck is connected to the shoulder injury somehow. But it's something you worry about with undersized linebackers especially. Linebackers, you know, I hear they take on a lot of contact. So, you know, you worry about that.

And as good as Nicoby Dean is in terms of the way he can read the field, his instincts, it's a physical game. And it's when you don't, you have the lack of size. you come with injury concerns. That's something that is just at a certain point, he will be worth it, but it's a little tough to do here. The Jags will trade back up in the third round again. Of course, the Chicago Bear select

Valis Jones, wide receiver, Tennessee. Okay. I'm actually curious what you think of Vegas. They need a kick returner? Is that Valis Jones? That's what he is. Kick returner. Is that it?

That's what I gave with Valis Jones. A little gadgety. He's been around a long time. Let me put it this way. He caught passes from Sam Donald. USC. He's been around a long time. He's, he'll be a 25 in, I think, this weekend, actually. So, no, so he's older than A.J. Brown. Is he? Yeah. Yeah. They're the same age. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Great. Great. Great. But like, 431 speed. Again, big time return, man. I had him as more of a day three guy. But, you know, wide receiver's been wiped out at this point. And if you're looking at someone with speed, someone that, you know, can play inside, can play outside.

You know, you feel like there's something there. I mean, he was underutilized at USC, underutilized at Tennessee. Even though this past year was kind of his breakout with over 800 yards, he had seven touchdowns as well. But, you know, 6-4, 205 with speed that can burn. It's just, oh, man, the age. And just also, this is not a guy. I think they need. As far as receiver-wise, too, like, this is a body type that I don't think it's conducive.

But, I mean, he is good with the ball in his hands. That's what, that's the appeal of him. And he's got an interesting traits. It's just, there's a lot of alarm bells with an older receiver without huge, huge production, even if the offenses he's played in were pretty crappy. To your point, he is a player that is more of a underneath player. Like, 80% of his catches this past year came within 10 yards of line of scrimmage. So, you know, it runs 4-3-1.

Yeah, it's all yak stuff. Yeah, all catch and go. You know, try to create screens. Exactly. He's kind of a gadget guy. A little bit, yeah. I know. To maximize him, that's probably how you're using them.

Yep. And it's another number three, number four. The Bears are built. The Bears don't have a quarterback who likes to push the ball on the field. So it makes sense. You don't need a lot of skill sets. You don't need vertical ball winners. No, not at all.

That's not what you knew. It's just. Yeah. And again, I mean, we don't want to harp on it too much, but the special teams, I mean, he was the special teams, SEC special teams player of the year. what, I had three kick return touchdowns in his career. So, I mean, there's value there, but, you know, we're talking about the 71st overall pick.

So a little early, but you can understand with that speed and maybe with a more creative situation with him, you're getting more out of him. But, yeah, it's, uh, I'm going to talk yourself into it a little bit. You do. Yeah. Yeah, like we're trying right now. Listen, it's all I can do at this point. I had a fourth, fifth round grade on him, like late fourth or fifth, kind of that range

for him. I'm with, I'm with Dane and that it's, I saw more as a specialty. He's a luxury player to me. Not a player that's like an every down guy. It's more of a, if a team already had two bonafide dudes,

and I was like, hey, let's get some fun in there. That's what I saw him as. Are you trying to say that Byron Pringle and Darnamuni aren't bona fide dudes? I'm sorry.

Is that we were trying to say right now? God, it's just samey, I don't know. This is, uh, I'm, I'm grasping us. Great. I'm in a great mood.

I know, really lifted my spirits here. I appreciate you. Khalil Shakur's still out there. I know. We're not wiped out, you know. I mean, even a Calvin Austin, I thought if you're going for that type of type of guy, that's the one. Calvin Austin, I thought maybe was going to be, you know, higher drafted.

So, like, Tover actually wouldn't have been, like, even though he's not like, he's a good ball skill guy, intermediate deep guy. That actually wouldn't have been a terrible pairing either. I know. So I'm, I'm just trying to look at any other size guys because he had all the other guys are more fourth round types too, or slot types. David Bell, you struggle with speed, you know, quality receiver. They brought Thornton in for a visit.

It feels like they potentially really wanted some juice on the outside. That would make a little sense. That pairing would have made sense. They found their speed. They did. Whether or not he's able to unlock it in the way that they need to, I think, is a different question. So now we have Seattle at 72, Day. We still have no quarterbacks off the board.

So here, I have a question for you, Nate. we had guys like Ritter or somebody like Malik Welles and we had them in our minds as Ritter was thought could he start day one. Yeah. Could he be a start guy could walk in and be your starting quarterback. Willis, in a year from now, can he be a high ceiling starting quarterback? Are we now reconsidering how we even think about what the NFL careers for these guys might look like now that they're falling into the third round day? Do you think that's unfair? No, I mean, we're there.

If you want to know how NFL teams feel about players, Follow the money, follow the draft picks. And watching this play out, it's clear that NFL teams are just not overly excited to work with these quarterbacks. And I can't say it's a huge surprise. You know, as much as we, and I say we as just a collective media and public and, you know, prop them up as, you know, these guys. I think about how many people probably took the over on two and a half quarterbacks in the first round. It's just, it's really fascinating. And it's rare.

It goes against history. You know, because the quarterbacks get overdrafted. Quarterbacks, you know, we see swings on these guys. But right now, its teams are not in a hurry to do that on this crop quarterback. And each one of these guys are a little bit different with maybe what you like and what you don't like. You know, a guy like Matt Corral and Desmond Tritt are very different, not only skill sets, but, you know, what you think about them as people in your building. Absolutely.

With the 72nd pick in a 22nd NFL draft, the Seattle. draft. The Seattle Seahawl select Abraham Lucas tackle Washington State. So, Bookend tackles with Charles Cross and Abraham League. And they needed to. When you looked at what they needed to come into this draft,

they needed two guys who could, I mean, he'll probably have a chance to start at right tackle. He's four year start at Washington State. I mean, he is a guy that's ready. He was right tackle only in college. There you go. There you go. Charles Cross was a left tackle only in college. So, I mean, these guys fit. Yeah.

slot them right in. No mystery with these two guys. I would not be shocked at all if these are your starting offensive tackles, week one for the Seattle Seahawks. And to be able to do that, that very rarely do you have a chance to do that. Find a guy in the third round that could potentially start for you. You don't want to be in that position where you're thrusting a third round pick

into the starting role. But if you had to have a way that this draft unfolded for Seattle, it could have been worse. And actually the clips right there of him. Yeah, absolutely, Robert. That's absolutely true. potentially getting bookend starters and one on two days of the draft. That's pretty great.

But you could see some of the blemishes when I watched Lucas too is that he lets another guy that made some anchor issues. He lets a lot of guys get into his body and doesn't use what he has, you know, to the fullest extent. But, you know, interesting traits there. Actually, like you said, it was a four-year starter. And he was more like a little solid watch. Like he did a lot of nice things that you liked.

And you could see the vision of him potentially becoming a starter. Just has some stuff to work on. And, you know, pretty good old line coach there too. So, you know, really work on his game. And a guy that is from Washington. Yep. Went to Washington State. He's going to stay in the state of Washington.

It's been a common theme these last two days. So what the heck is going on here? It's like Cooper. It's Brock Oswald. It's up Paul Dano. No. But Abraham Lucas, did you expect that testing at the Combine? I mean, he was one of the...

He was like, oh my gosh. In the 22 NFL draft, the Indianapolis Colts select. He said, Jake. Lonnie Woods, tight end, Virginia. Someone took a chance on. Yeah. All right.

What did you think of Jalani Woods? I understand the traits, but it was like, yeah, the only two routes he could run are seams and corners. And, you know, and he's gigantic. He has that issue where he's so high cut

that he lets bodies get underneath them. I've been around Jared, Jared Cook, who had that issue, where he was so long-legged. And even though they had good size and length, they couldn't get that leverage. He didn't have that bend.

But on the red zone, I mean, their offense in the red zone was, hey, Jelani, run a seam route and box everybody out. And I understand the outside pick on it, but it's, I don't know,

they kind of had, already had the Moe Allie Cox thing going on. You got to get two guys. I mean, they're the biggest tight ends I've ever seen now. This is a very Colts pick. Yeah. I mean,

it really is with, you know, we know they prioritize the traits at that position, especially. And with Woods, a guy that's really helped himself, the last calendar year since he transferred to Virginia, but also just the last four months.

Going to the shrine game, doing what he did. This guy was a fifth six-round pick in January. After what he did the shrine, after what he did the combine. Because at 6-7, 253 pounds, he ran a 461. 67-46. Why? In the 2002, NFL draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Desmond Ritter. Borderback, Cincinnati.

They just followed my board. They got Drake London, they got Desmond Ritter. Some people have compared Ritter to Marriott, which is kind of funny. Yeah, that's been a common comparison. I actually like this fit for what they do. I think Arthur Smith likes on offense. I actually like this a lot. Yeah.

This is a great landing spot for him, I think. I mean, we were talking about this yesterday. If you're Atlanta, you don't have to be in a hurry to find your guy. But it's 74. Atlanta's picked already twice today, right? Yeah. So this is the third pick. We're third round.

I think they're like, fine. We'll take them, guys. Yeah. I know they were doing a lot of homework on them. But people were like, and it was like, oh, my God, at pick eight? And they're like, oh, we're 40, 40 something. That's what they kind of are also making sure they get out there.

So they were doing homework on them. And the thing with Desmond Redder is no matter what happens in the future with this team and the quarterback, you want him in your quarterback room. Yes. So this does not stop the Falcons from drafting a quarterback. in the next year's first round. It doesn't stop them from investing in that position with a high pick because, you know,

they sure, they could trade Desmond Ritter in a year if that's the best direction they see. But, you know, you can have a guy like this in your locker room and feel really comfortable with what he's going to bring day in, day out. He's a pro.

And he's a really confident player. I mean, I understand why this is the fit over a Malik Willis, over, you know, some of these other quarterbacks that are still around. And I'm not saying like that, if this will automatically happen.

He has that personality. that's that face of the franchise personality, which matters so much at this position because we think of it just on game day. It's every day of the week where you're having to do interviews, stand out, do charity stuff. And that's what he does really well. And on the field,

and I've been one of his biggest fans, what I like so much about him was how much he improved this year. I keep saying this about every Cincinnati guy, it feels like. But he also has the traits. He has the athleticism, even if it's more straight line. But I do like he does flash that ability to wear the ball, throw those intermediate throws. he throws the crap out of backside digs.

I mean, who likes Inbreakers? Arthur Smith, you know, what they did with the Titans and all that. So I actually thought his ideal game would be in that more play action heavy type of offense that lets him go one to two to three in a nice pocket. That's why in my mock draft, I send him to the Titans. You know,

same line of things. Exactly. So this is, it matches well with that offense. It does. I'm just wondering what the plan looks like. Dan, I think you're right.

Where if this doesn't preclude you, if you get the number one pick in the draft from potential. taking a guy. But what is it this year? Yeah. Like, do you just go into camp and say, all right, let's roll the ball up? Is that how you handle this? Do you give him a chance to win it? If, let's say he does win it. Let's say you're still a bad team. You go five and 11, but he's shown a couple flashes here and there and you get the number two pick in the draft. Then what do you do? It's not a bad problem that, it's not, it's not the worst problem to have. No, it's not.

It's just, it's so rare. Yeah, because so rare do we see guys taking in the third round that we thought potentially had starter caliber traits and might have an opportunity to do it pretty early. Let's be honest, as much as you and our big C.J. Straub guys. As much as we can look forward and project to next year, it's not a sure thing. No, it's not. I mean, we. It's special. It's not.

I mean, and so who knows, we could go at this time next year and be talking about, you know, the Falcons might, say they're picking third next year, quarterback's go one, two, and they're left without a chair. And it's like, all right, what do we do? I mean, so this is a not a bad backup plan to have. No, I like this a lot. I'm pretty happy with this landing spot with him. Yeah. And that's the thing with it.

He's a competitive guy. And I like what you said. Super competitive. Yeah. And that's what I like about him. It's that he gets on the field. And also it's like, oh, okay, like you're pretty psycho. You want that in your quarterback.

So you want that. You want every rep to matter so much to him because those seasons become a drag and you have to be the leader of the team. So I like this a lot. I really do. I mean, I'm off chance. It hits. the value it creates for you.

I mean, it just, there's so much you can do. If you can find your starting quarterback in this range. It never happens, right? It just never, ever does. But maybe this is an exception. That's it. Houston Texan select Christian Harris, linebacker, Alabama. Again, with that well-worn territory between Nick Cereo's phone line and Nick Saban and Alabama,

you have Christian Harris as a potential second round pick day. I mean, you could probably step in and play for them immediately. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what he did at Alabama. He was a high school DB, goes Alabama as a top recruit. And he right away made plays as a Mike linebacker. And we saw it throughout the college football playoffs, making plays with that speed, 4-4 guy at that size.

So there's a lot to like about that ability. You can see him, you know, I'm going back to last year national championship game against Ohio State where he's covering Jeremy Rucker, stride for stride. That one nice-handed one-handed catch. Christian Harris was right there. It had to have been that type of throw from fields and that type of catch from Rucker to make that happen.

So Harris, there's a lot of ability there. Surprising, he lasted this long to 75. It's interesting watching, especially Bama defenders, because you know they're going to be so coach. And you can see the wheels turn a little bit with him sometimes.

It's like that half second a pause. But it got better. But yeah, I'm actually surprised. I thought someone would take a chance on his traits earlier. earlier and his pedigree. You know, it's Bama guys are going to get a boost. Rightfully so, because it's a certain type of player.

Nobody on the Texan's depth chart at linebacker walking his chances here. The Texans love linebackers with hyphenated names. Camus Grugier Hill plays for the Texans. Jaylon Reims may have been placed for the Texans. All three of those guys are currently. There's a lot of names going on there. Christian Kirksey is there. But again, these are guys that are bouncing around, guys that are in one-year, short-term deals.

I don't think the Texans travel more, their scouts travel more than 200 miles. so scout all these guys. I mean, that's just hanging out there. Yeah, it's all near that Houston area. That Stingley's an LSU. That's not too far. Dave, who's guys that near the top of your board here, guys that are your best available?

Who are you looking at? All right, let's reset it. So we still got the Kobe Dean at the top. You know, it's injury related at this point. I think that's pretty clear. Malik Willis second. Travis Jones, a little surprised. Yep.

After his senior bowl, guys, that big, that explosive. Did he have some character stuff too? I think more weight issue. Can he stay in shape? Can he stay under control with that? I think that's more of the concern with him. Bernard Raymond, again, 25-year-old project. That's something that you really do worry about.

Now, I thought, like, when you saw a first round for him, maybe a little rich, but still, surprised that we're talking now third round with Bernard Raymond. Those are the only, so those three players, those four players, the only ones left from my top 50. then we're going to Darien Kinnard tackle guard from Kentucky, Perry on Winfrey, defensive tackle Oklahoma, Jamari Solier, guard from Georgia, Matt Corral, quarterback Ole Miss, Leo Chenal, linebacker Wisconsin, Jalen Tolbert, wide receiver from South Alabama, and then Sam Howell, quarterback North Carolina.

So a couple of these are injury-related. A couple of them are maybe more scheme and more just what's the fit and some of those concerns. but, you know, it's still a surprise to see some of these players available just deep into the draft. I'm kind of laughing. I refresh my Twitter in my first tweet that I see is Skymore tweeting at Patrick Mahomes. What's good, my boy? With two whys. Oh, no, three whys, actually.

We joked about this, but I'm sure as a player, it's tough when you fall a little bit. But Skymore going down there to play with Patrick Mahomes for the next few years. There are worse ways to end up here. It's like the NBA draft. It's like, oh, I'm pick 29. Oh, I'm going to the Warriors? Sweet. This is going to go great.

We talk about this all the time, though. Situation matters so much. If you get picked by one of these teams and you're putting a great position immediately, it can mean everything for your career. It can change everything about your trajectory. Absolutely. I mean, Sky Moore ends up in a terrible offense with no plan. I mean, he goes to trying to think of it.

I'm trying to have to be mean here, but whatever. The Bears. Yeah. He goes to Chicago. And there's no way. had no understanding for how to deploy him or what they want that to look like. It's going to be the opposite in Kansas City. You get to go play with Andy Reed as a rookie.

A few places where you can wind up, they'll be better than that. And just what their room looks like, it's like perfect, like just popping them in there. Everything we were talking about with the Colts and like why it would been an interesting fit with the Colts, kind of carry over the Chiefs because they're going for that more big physical receivers with Juju and MVS. So now you get just a different type of skill set in that room. And then his best, you know, we've, I mean, we've very gushed about him a little. bit, but it's just his best routes are all those inbreakers because how, guys with good hands,

and this is why I love Devante Smith, they trust their hands so they don't slow down. Skymore trusts his hands. So that's why he's able to be so smooth out of the break. I mean, they're the biggest hands ever, right? And that's the thing is we don't look at Skymore as being a big receiver, biggest hands at the combine among receivers. That's that matters. That's why the Golden Tate stuff came, though, not jokingly, but that's he's thick body.

We talk about smaller guys. It's a great comp. It really is. Plays through contact. I hope he wears 24. There you go. Can now. That would be awesome.

All right. So Baltimore picking here. Didn't end up getting Jordan Davis. Travis Jones still on the board. They want to go that direction? Sure. We've got the Blue Men group now. Why not?

They're back. They're back. Oh, man. Things getting real wonky. Yeah. As soon as we saw Chris Angel doing. Chris Angel doing. Very Vegas.

Loops was. We had TikTok. stars doing Pratt Falls. Now we got it. The Blue Man Group is here. A lot of fun stuff happening during the third round, the NFL draft. Where's the draft next year, Kansas City? Kansas City. A little less showmanship in Kansas City. Different, different meats.

There's going to have Andy Reid on stage eating. We're at Pick 42. Check out this brisket. All right, Ravens pick in here at 676. What are everybody doing? We got some Ravens fans out there. All right, flock, here we go. with a 76 pick in the 2,022 NFL draft, the Baltimore Ravens select

Travis Jones to pick out-tackle Yukon. I'm going to the second round of my mock. You know, you miss out on Jordan Davis in the first. This is the consolation prize. Not a bad consolation prize. Big, explosive. I mean, again,

like crazy, right? Players fall to, good players fall to the Ravens. Every year. It's just, it's really funny to see how that just happens. every year. I love him with, yeah, Mada Bukai, too, who I'm a fan. Oh, that's, that's really explosive interior guys. So you know, get going after the quarterback.

325 pounds and he runs a 492. I mean, and again, nobody wanted to block this guy. Same thing with Perry on Winfrey, who a little surprised he's out there, but nobody wanted to block him at the senior bowl. And you did worry about the little bit of level of comp. Again, Yukon's been a little bit of wasteland, that football program, and the weight issues, just staying under control, being in, you know, peak conditions. is something you worry about with him, but he's firing in all cylinders. Watch him against Clemson.

You know, you can see him make plays and get to the backfield, you know, a big man that can be a nose tackle but can also give you a little disruption as well. And that's, and that we have to bring this up to is this like always context.

Like you say, Yukon's a wasteland. And then you get into, and that's what teams have to figure out. That's what part of scouting is. Is his weights up because of the program? Or is that on him or is a combo of both? The Indianapolis coach,

select Bernard Reidman. There it is. Tackle, Central Michigan. So, hopefully not the left side. Well, I mean, they need a left tackle immediately. Yeah. I mean, that's, they need somebody to play there because right now, as of today, their starting left tackle was Matt Pryor.

So I don't know if that can happen. Yeah. But, I mean, this is somebody, Dana, we had, people thought he might go a lot higher than that. Yeah, sub 33 inch arms, which, you know, that's not ideal if you're looking at him as a tackle. but the play strength that he has. And again, okay, Mac players,

you always worry about the level of comp, throw on the tape against LSU. Yeah. Throw on the tape against Missouri. And he's more than holding his own. And one thing I loved about the LSU tape, this play one was the same exact play as 75. He's playing with the same energy,

making these, these blocks that you want to see against top competition. So mobility, smart player. He tested really well. He did. I mean, 303, he was 505 in the 40, you know, 746 in the three comb. That's outstanding.

30 reps in the bench. So, again, a little bit of a project because of, you know, needs to be a little more consistent in some areas. But, yeah, it would be interesting to see if they give him a shot of tackle, if they view him more as a guard. It's funny. They were talking about nastiness. What I really liked about when I watched him was they was so under control. Absolutely. And that's where the athleticism showed up.

And it stunned me because I thought he was going to have, his technique was a little better than I was expecting. I think we talked about this yesterday as well. But it was just like every snap, it was under control, cutoff, boom, boom, when he's never on the ground, which is like what you always want. You don't want to see guys on the ground at the end of plays because that means, say, a balance and technique. So that's what always showed up with him. I thought ideally, you know, he ends up at guard.

But, you know, it wasn't like when I'm watching, I'm like, you know, this guy, no way you can play tackle. Like, you know, it was like, at least he did enough, but then you look at the arm length and all that stuff. But, you know, it's a good player. He's just a good football player. And he's a guy that wants to be great. I mean, I talked to hundreds of players throughout the fall, like on the phone and all that stuff.

Talk to Bernard Raymond last October. And we ended the phone, we talked for, you know, a good hour. We finished the phone call. And he said, you know what? I mean, you've watched my tape. You've watched a lot of these. How can I get better? What do I need to do?

Like, I mean, this guy cares. Like, he, making that transition from tight end to tackle the midst of a pandemic, talking to his coaches. and I mean, talking to his offensive line coach, and he was telling me how he's sending me videos that he's making, saying, okay, what can I do better here with my technique? Yeah, exactly. I mean, a wide receiver from Austria who, the journey's been outstanding for him and his journey's not done.

And it matters. I said this to Brandon Thorne. When you hear him talk, he plays like a thoughtful, mild-mannered Austrian man. Like, that's how he plays. Like, when you watch his game, it's like, that is a complete alignment with, like, how you present as a person.

Every snap has a process. He has a plan on every step. No, that's really funny, actually. One of the nicest human beings I've talked to. He really is. Yeah. That was the thing they mentioned nasty. It was like, he plays hard.

But it's not, he's not. In the 2002 NFL draft, the Cleveland Brown select Alex Wright, defensive end, UAB. Got another one right in my mock. Wow. All right. I mean, right, they want young players with traits. That's Alex Wright.

Coming from UAB, long player. he's hurt a little bit throughout the process so we didn't get to see him really play up to his potential but when he has a chance when he has a runway he's a fun player so Alex Wright I like this pick for the Browns I had them go in this direction in the third round

add up the with the pass rushers right makes sense absolutely yeah and 6 527 34 inch arms yeah 21 years old that's the team cares about so and projectable traits I mean he's a true junior

a small grew up in a small town in Alabama was not viewed as this big time recruit UAB kind of found him and I mean he still has room to grow there's no question I mean this is a pick for the future

he's not going to start a game this year I mean I still think that Browns would be aggressive in free agency whether it's a clowny whether it's a Jerry Hughes we'll see the play opposite of Miles Garrett but bringing in a guy like this

who you can you know learn from a Miles Garrett it you bring in on sub-packages. There's a lot of ability here with an Alex Wright. So I like this pick. Yeah, absolutely. It's one of those guys, less is more early on, and then you just keep adding to their plate as they can handle it.

And physically, too, as you want more food in them as well, but mentally and physically. But no, it's these are the guys that you take chances on. It's because it has the boxes checked that, like, yes, the ideal guys like you pick in the top 10 are going to have the athleticism traits, character traits, youth on their side. Those are like what you want. And then, but these guys, now we're getting to the third round, of course you're not going to have that.

Otherwise, they're going to top 20. So, okay, so what does he have? He has length. He has enough flashes that you can build on and he has youth. So it's like, these are the guys you take chances off. And he shows really that hard of a chance. Yeah, exactly. He shows at least an understanding of how to use that length so he can separate from contact and not get hung up on blocks.

I mean, he at least shows a basic understanding of how to do that. We go back a couple picks. I think going back to Raymond, they've picked guys in previously that they didn't know they could play attack. When they pick Brayton Smith, they just assumed Brayton Smith would play guard. And then he came in and showed them they could play the right tackle. And that worked out for them. That's what training came for. Exactly.

But they have a need now. Mark Lewinsky moves on. Now he's in New York. They have Pinter there, or painter, who I think theoretically could pay right guard for them. But if they want to start Raymond at guard, if they want to find a stopgap option at left tackle, let's say it's Dwayne Brown and whatever. You know, we saw them do that last year with Eric Fisher and say, all right, maybe you're the long-term left tackle with Raymond. we'll see what his development plan is. And putting them next to Kelly and Nelson.

I mean, that's going to help you out. And Ray Smith, I mean, they have good players there. So I'll be curious what his development plan looks like. Again, going back even further, it's Travis Jones. I want to just hear the 2023 Ravens front seven players. Okay. We're going to have Adafay Oway, Justin Matabouquet, Travis Jones, David Ajabo, two years from now. with Kyle Hamilton, Marcus Williams.

I mean, like, it's hard not to get excited about this. The four players they've drafted, guarantee you I can find 100 mock drafts that had all four in the first round at some point during the process. Yeah. You know, again, good players fall to the Ravens. And part of that is, you know,

they're willing to be patient with the David Ajabo. Or, you know, they're willing to take on a guy like Travis Jones who, there are some question marks, but you recognize the talent. what he could be, especially for that scheme, for that front. He was getting first round law for a little bit. I mean, so that's like, like you said, that makes total sense. I thought for sure top 50.

Yeah, guys that big, that move like that, you know, it just, they don't last that long. But, yeah, first round, if you didn't go first round, I didn't have in my first round mock. I understand why I wouldn't. But very surprised he fell out of the top 50 in tremendous value. They have six fourth round picks. Six. Six. Six.

Oh, my. What's the record? We got to find out of the NFL. It's got to be up. Get on that. What is the record for most picks in a single round? Six fourth rounders. I mean,

I think they started with five. They just multiply. Their special team's coach is just gone. Hey. Hey. They're head coach. Their head coach is just thrilled right now. If I'm a scout,

I'm loving it because there's a chance. My GM's going to look at me and say, who do you want? Pick a guy. Yeah. That's exactly right. Who's your favorite guy you saw this year? Yeah.

Get John in here. Exactly. Every member of the scouting department gets to make a pick for the Ravens this year. It's so wild. I mean, it's just we, so many, and that's what's so fun about this process

is that you have a team like the Saints. The Saints are really the F-D-M-Picks team. The Saints are Fing them picks. They're going to trade away future picks. They're going to make three picks, four picks a year sometimes. And be like, you know what? We're comfortable with this. This is how we want this on credit.

And listen, they've won a lot of games. And then you have a team like the Ravens. They don't want to give me all. The second NFL draft. The Los Angeles Chargers select. J.T. Woods, defensive back. Baylor. I must have done, you know,

100 different media things at the Combine. And I think I used the same line on every single interview I did. Baylor was bringing a track team, Dean Annapolis. We saw that with Tyquan Thornton, who's already been drafted. Kaelin Barnes ran the fastest 40 at the Combine in this draft process. J.T. Woods is a guy that, you know, he's over six foot. He's 190 pounds. And he ran in the four threes.

So a lot of speed, a lot of ability. And me, my favorite nickname in this draft, the heartbreak kid, because of the way he breaks hearts for quarterbacks. He did that a lot the last two years. So whether it's, you know, fumbles or interceptions, he's a guy who's in the right place, right time. And that's usually not a coincidence. Throwing Marty Genetti through a glass window. That's what he's doing. Thanks, man.

This has been a way more wrestling heavy show than I expected to be. It's in Las Vegas. Desmond Ritter got taken. Yeah, we're just really, really appealing to me. But yeah, no, it's another highweight speed. It's interesting because, you know, they have James, they have Nassir Aderley. That's kind of what I was thinking. And I'm high on Adderley, too.

I think he's going to send again this next year. So it's, and that's, they might look at him as a corner. Okay. I would not be surprised. So that's, I was going to ask you that because they, I, coming into this process, even though they have Michael David. and they drafted Assange Sainman Jr. in the second round last year. Even after going after J.C. Jackson,

corner is still a need for them. They wanted to add multiple guys at corner this offseason. Can't have enough. And so the fact that you think he can play corner, that's not surprising. It's a little bit of a projection, but again, we're talking, okay, 6-2, 195 pounds, ran a 4-36, under 7 seconds in a 3-cone. I mean, he has a projectable skill set. I mean, I wrote my final line of his report,

he might get some looks at cornerback by press-heavy teams. And so, you know, we'll see if that ends up being the route they go. But, you know, I think it, he played a lot of, you know, Jalen Petrie was the moved around the chest piece of that defense. But J.T. Woods was kind of like that too, where it played a lot of nickel, played in the box a little bit. They played them all over. So that they, they've ran to defense and the way they use safeties, a little more out of the box thinking than most defenses. You have to be a Swiss Army knife. You do.

And, I mean, I think that you could say the same thing with the ways that Brandon Staley has used his defensive backs over the last few years, right? So you're going to see guys that are the lines blur. Yep, their roles are, what they're asking to do. It's just keep happening. What we used to call tweeners, it's actually an upside now. Like, it really is. But now we got Greg Dulcher.

Talk to me about Greg Dulture's shit. All right. Speed. Long speed. He runs on his toes. You can tell he was an old receiver and all that. I really liked him. More I watched him.

I was like, wow, this guys, they would split him out. Chip Kelly would have him running deep curl routes from like the number one spot. Really good on over stuff. anything that you get his legs going. You can see he had over 17 yards per catch. The thing with him, he's probably going to be an F to start, you know, an off ball tight end or off ball tight end, split out tight end or a wing tight end.

But I actually liked his upside as an inline guy because he had good technique. Again, this is the guy, and I mentioned him earlier, Jared Cook with Giovanni Woods. I literally compare a Dolchage to Jared Cook because I think that's where he can, he could become because of those long, long-legged kind of movement skills. And I like to fit with the Broncos with Albert O there. Yeah, straight and fan. They need another tight end most likely.

And he doesn't have to be the Y right away or anything like that. Russell doesn't really use his tight ends, but he's vertical. So that matches Russell a little bit more. My Broncos guy told me in a third round put Dolchick there, so I did. And it got into fruition. That makes sense. Yeah, exactly. Keeping his phone number.

81 here to the Giants Cardell float. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, it's really, I mean, rail thin player. I can see it right now. Yeah. And they play. him as kind of a nickel. He was their nickel defender, where mostly,

not really outside, but playing kind of in the slot. But a little surprise he went this early. But he tested well, a guy that's over six foot, only 175 pounds. So that worries you a little bit. But he's a young player. He might be the youngest player in this draft. He doesn't turn 21 until like August. Spider chart is hilarious.

Oh, my God. Just a three. bike for height and then everything else is nothing. DeAngelo Malone, linebacker, Western Kentucky. Atlanta kid staying in Atlanta. That's great for him.

Two linebackers for the Falcons now. Yeah, and he's a pass rusher. He's a guy that is maybe not your traditional hand on the ground, but he's got juice off the edge. Western Kentucky, the production with him was remarkable. He was back there,

offense and defense. Yeah, no kidding. But, and he was, I believe he was high school teammates with Jolani Woods. So, I mean, you know, a little bit of connection there in the third round. But you look at Malone's production over his career, 60 tackles for loss, 34 sacks. I mean, he's been doing this for a couple years now. Defensive player of the year in that conference two years, says in 19, 2021. So it's just all about speed.

Yeah. You know, he'll break out the Euro step. He'll break out these different moves. You know, he's got a flexible frame. But it's all about athleticism with him off the edge. And he passes a lot of thresholds. Like I always like to look, you know, three cone broad. 9-9 is usually the threshold for broad.

He was 9-11. Three cones, 7-2 for edge rushers. He ran 706, you know. So, and he has length. And thank God I have the beast right in front of me because I love that. All the numbers are right here. But that stuff, those are thresholds. And it's like, again, you're taking chance.

is on traits. And not only does he have traits, he has freaking production. Like that's pretty nice. It's just a small school guy. But, you know, Conference USA, and this is what I'll say,

after going through and watching a lot of these teams, prospects, there's okay players in that conference. Like there are. It's not high in first round, but it's like, it's not the Missouri Valley,

you know? I know it's FBS, but I'm just saying, it's not like such a drop off with some of the other stuff. Malone was my 80-second player. Okay. And this is,

I think that's exactly right. And this is, that's the range you're looking for with a player like this. He's not big. 243 pounds. Yeah, and competition level.

I mean, that production is out of this world. So it's competition level and just the size. It doesn't check normal traditional boxing. And he's a guy that runs light. Like when he showed up, he's about 200 pounds. So that's one of the reasons.

He had to work to put on that 240. Exactly. So one of the reasons he was at Western Kentucky and not a bigger school. So, but yeah, a guy that, there's a lot of ability there in terms of getting to the quarterback. Eagles here at 83.

Pick is in. When do we start? talking about these other quarterbacks. I'm wondering where this can potentially happen because we still have Malik Willis on the board. It's Malik Willis, that one's. I mean, I don't,

it's hard to, I don't want to beat him up, you know, because it's, but it is surprising that he's still available here. Like, that's not, you know,

but it's, the love for him early was very media driven. And it started the senior ball and it was weird because we knew, if anybody that watched tape on Malik Willis, knew he had a big arm, he's outstanding athlete. And a really good guy, character-wise, outstanding. We knew all that going into the senior bowl, and I think people just took it to another level with him because he had the arm.

But watching him at the senior ball, he just, at the field vision is an issue. It really is with him. And a lot of times why he's using his legs is because he can't locate where to go with the football. And so that's a big question mark. And the people that were glass-half full with him were saying, well, you know, that's the Hugh Free's offense. And I've mentioned this a few times. He's six foot.

And that's always going to be the issues. In between the hashes, reining out. And that's where I was watching them. And I get it. It's a simplistic offense, but he was making it look hard. So it wasn't like, oh, they don't get design guys open. It was him going one and down, or not even getting to one. It was him dropping back going, I can't see him.

All right, scramble mode. And I get it. We want to bet on upside. We want to bet on traits, the home run swing. We go all that. But, man, it's just those in-between plays. a lot of his even flash plays. He against Eastern Michigan and then the bowl game is that long touchdown.

We saw a million times. It was a beautiful throw. He's working back in the pocket there. That's a no-no in the NFL. So it's like, all right, even his highlight plays are stuff that we have to fix. So I think people don't realize what the project was because his play-to-play was so all over the place, even though his flashes were so cool. Eagles here picking at 83. I'm just trying to think about where the quarterbacks could potentially go.

We talk about Tennessee if there's somebody that they, that they, that they, they, like and just again, is there something for the future there? The boxer picking here at 91, but it's kind of what we talked about coming into this. There aren't that many seats. It's so funny because you hear the same thing. We're not going to draft him, but he's going to go. I'll tell you what, all 31 other teams love to hear that right there. With the 83rd pick.

It's a magician of the 20. 22 NFL draft. The number one team in sports with the greatest fans in the world. The Philadelphia Eagles are happy. You know it. Are happy to select a linebacker from Georgia, Nkobi. There he goes. 83rd player off the board.

Wow. So, I mean, at a certain point, it's, yeah, let's take them and see what happens. Yep. I mean, the Kobe Dean, one of the smartest. Very few times you find a guy that won the Buccas Award as a high school player as nationally the best linebacker and the, country also win the Buckus Award as the best college football player, college football linebacker nationally.

He did that. He was the heart and soul of the national champion, Georgia Bulldogs. I mean, not only just the speed that he plays with, but the processing. I mean, understanding what's going on at all times, coverage, downhill as a backer. And this is why Trayon Walker, Devante Wyatt, they didn't have more impressive production because they're trying to create these gaps where this clip right here, Nicoby Dean is knifing through the A gap, making a play in the backfield. And I mean, he's just a good football player.

And so even with the injury concerns at a certain point, at 83, who cares? 100%. And it's funny because, you know, the Eagles steadfast in the way that they value positions. They are, they're principled in the ways that they look at this stuff. They don't value linebackers. Think about what they've done at that position over the last few years. but at 83

yeah no longer applies and and with a lot of these defenses and I want to tie in like the defense line for Georgia too and that lack of production even though this Georgia plays a four down front these saving this Kirby smart defenses

that even like that we've seen in the pros it's a four down front but it's three four principles yeah and old school three four defenses it was D-line occupy linebackers run and hit you go get go make the tackle and this is what this guy did Like, I mean, like you said, he's so, so smart.

And you see him diagnosed the game so well. And everyone just had the same blemish. Oh, yeah, he's just small. Okay, okay. Well, we all knew that. Like, we all get it. But that's also just speaking to the D-line as well, is that they were occupying because they want to unlock this guy and go hit, go hit people.

And he could do it really well. And again, we talk beyond the size. It's the injury concern. But, 983, that's fine. It's worth the dice roll. Well, you know, on Thursday or Wednesday, say Wednesday, I would have told you that the Eagles come out of this draft with two Georgia defenders, Jordan Davis and Nicopi Dean.

Oh, they use both their first round picks on Georgia front seven. Right. Okay. I mean, here we are in the third round talking about the Kobe Dean. So, yeah, at a certain point, it's worth it. The Eagles are the ones the bite, and I would not be surprised this turns out to be a very, you know, long term, a very good pick for the franchise.

It's one of those in like four or five years. It's like, you know. I'll have to let that happen. How about that happen? Exactly. I know. And, I mean, Eagles are having a great trait. Especially if you include A.J. Brown is part of that? Yes.

Which I do. You have to. Sure. I mean. The pitch bird stealer select DeMarvin Leowell. Defense of N. Texas A&M. So, Leal has had a circuitous road through this process, I think, to say the least. Talk us through to jump to Marvin Leal. a ton of ability.

A former five-star guy. I mean, you see the ability with him, but I think it comes down to, okay, is he, there's a big difference between being versatile and being kind of a tweener. And I think Leo Liao

falls more in kind of the tweener category where is he better on the edge as, you know, getting after the quarterback as an edge of, edge rusher or see more of a three technique where you kick him inside. And he didn't test as well as, because when you watch him on,

film. There are flashes where this guy looks a little bit like Jonathan Allen with some of these plays that he's making. But then he tested and at 275 pounds, he runs, he couldn't crack 5-0 in the 40-yard dash. And so he did not test like we thought he was going to, but you see the ability.

Here he's lined up, you know, over the A gap and he's knifing through, make it play. I mean, he's, he has the ability to win from different alignments up front. And so I get the, uh, why he fell a little bit, but here we are in the mid third, you understand why a team's taking a chance on him.

It's one of those where he got maybe overhyped because of his name recognition because he was such a big recruit. He was, yes. And then so people overcorrected and went, oh, no, he sucks. And it's how it usually is somewhere in between. And I think that's really happening with Leo, because he's the name I've heard of for years. Yeah. That's kind of what I was alluding to. And here comes Leo Chanel.

I'm announcing for the Patriots. Is it? Yeah. With the 85th picks in the 2002 NFL draft. the New England Patriots select Marcus Jones defensive back Houston Love Marcus Jones

He worried about where he was going to be drafted because he had surgery on both shoulders And so that knocked him down a little bit So we're a very small man right Exactly undersized but I got the twitch that he has And then the return he had nine return touchdowns

Kick return punt return But this is a guy you're going to plug into the, into the slot. He's a nickel defender. Yes, undersized, but the twitch that he plays with, the speed. And he gets his hands on a lot of footballs. His ball production is outstanding. All the charts, right?

Yeah. It's just the size. And size and then the shoulder injuries. So, you know, no senior bowl, no combine, no testing. I was worried he might fall into the fourth round because of that. But, again, Patriots don't care. The last thing I want to say before we're going to take a quick break here, tweeners with the Steelers. Stefan, to it.

very similar sort of conversation positionally as a guy like DiRumontanil might be in which times all right he's 285-ish is he a defense tackle? Is he a defense attack? Is he a defense event? And on that team, it hasn't mattered as much they found roles for those guys. Pison Alu-A-Lu

guys they've yeah come in, you know, played on a defensive line for sure. Maybe something to take into account. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. We're back. Pretty good timing here. With the 86th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the 10, to see Titans select Malik Willis. Quarterback.

So I thought the Titans might take a quarterback. It's an 86 instead of late in the first round, Dane. Wow. But makes sense, right? I mean, this is a team that I think needed some sort of future plan at the position. And Malik Willis doesn't need to play right away. Sit there behind Ryan's Hanhill, learn. I mean, this can be a slow burn for this team specifically with this setup.

And that's what Malik Willis needs. Yeah. He needs a place where he's not going to be rushed out there. Develop him at his own pace, you know, whatever that means. And so, you know, here at Pick 86, I mean, this is very little risk, very high reward. So very surprised he lasted this far. But for the Titans, you absolutely understand why it makes sense for, and especially like you set it up, their quarterback situation. The way it is with Ryan Tannihil, you know, there's some questions about what's their ceiling as a team as an officer.

offense with him at quarterback. Malik Willis gives them somewhat of a long-term potential plan, depending on how he develops in that building. And, Nate, you have worked with Todd Down. Yes. I mean, you've seen him work with quarterbacks. How do you think Malik Willis fits just with the way he coaches, the way he teaches, just that pairing in your mind?

It's the ball of clay that every coach wants to get. And that's what I think he's getting on them. First off, and we've mentioned this before, is that he's supposed to be a great, great person. So that's where you're getting in there. So it's not going to be a weird thing where you draft him. and he comes in and rocks the boat and Tana Hills looking around going, hey guys, what does happen?

So I think that's the first appeal of what Malik Willis is. But I think that just that deep ball ability is what's going to flash and the ability to create. Todd's first quarterback that he worked with was Dante Culpeper. They're nowhere near the same size or anything, but some kind of some traits there. Touchdown to check down. You know, that's what maybe that's the end game that you see is touchdown, checkdown run around a little bit when everything and also that thick size there as well. But I just like this where this spot.

goes, this is my true grade on Willis was a third rounder, a late third rounder. And I'm much more comfortable at an 86 with him because also you're taking away that little point of pressure that fan base might have. You take him in the first or even the early second, fans start going. Yep. Ryan Tana hell has a two-pick game. Or bench him. We're up for six and two and he has one bad game.

Also, you know, the fans start going crazy. Ownership start going, hey, what's going on there? It might be the best-selling jersey. Yes. You know, the backup quarterback. Because he's hope. That's what he is. And that's what the appeal of Malik Willis is.

Nate, I want to get your opinion on this, just, you know, being a former quarterback, a guy like this who needs to develop, can he develop without being on the field? Because, you know, there's different schools of thought. Like, you need to be on the field, seeing things happen in real time. Can Malik Willis, can he do that from the sideline? Can he do that from basically the classroom? I think for him it's perfect because he needs more of the terminology and understanding NFL defenses. not only just offenses.

That's been my big thing with him. I think it's recognition of defenses, which I think you can get more on the board. But then he's a guy that of, I'm more of a guy that you take the bullets, live bullets is how you run. Live action is how you grow. Any type of player,

not even just quarterback, any player. They need action. He's the one guy. I'd be like, let's pump the brakes. Let's take her time because I don't think he has a confidence issue. I think he has a very confident person, but it's tough. Being NFL quarterback can wreck your confidence pretty quickly.

In the 2022, Probably another F tied-down. The Arizona Cardinal select Cameron Thomas, defensive in San Diego State. I want to keep talking about Willis and the Titans here for a second. So outside, we talked about this yesterday. Titans have the most expensive offense in the league this year, the most expensive quarterback situation in the league.

Beyond just price, Tennessee had the second oldest offense in the league last year by snap weighted age, the football outsider's metric. There needs to be a pivot point here somewhere along the way. And now you come into next year, if Malik Willis is your starting quarterback, this is all optimistic. Oh, yeah. He's the third round pick. If he never starts a game for them, it's not the worst thing that's ever happened.

Plenty of third round picks have never become NFL starters. But in a world where it does go right, and you have him and Traylon Burks, and you have some offensive line youth as well, you have whatever the next phase this looks like. Mike Frable is not going anywhere. No. John Robinson and Mike Frable have won a decent amount of football games. Yes.

In Tennessee. They're going to have stability. They have exactly. They're going to have a long-term runway here. And what that looks like beyond this season, they've done a great job with the way they built that team and whatever the last version looked like. But I think at some point you need to think about what the next version looks like.

And Malik Willis is part of that consideration for me, Dan. Absolutely. I mean, I think, you lay out where this team is right now, what's the plan? five-year plan. How are they looking going forward? It's very interesting. Emmett Smith here. In the 2020 NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Jalen Tobrit.

So now we're talking about receiver for Dallas in the first round. Now they get Jalen Tolbert in the third round. How do you think he fits with the other guys they have with their offensive plan? Yeah. And it's obvious CD Lam's a guy you can play across the formation. Yeah. You want outside, inside, you know, be creative with him. And then with Gallup, Gallup, yes, a guy that we're going to start the year.

We're not sure when he's going to be able to play. Tolbert's your outside receiver, but he also played inside last year. So, you know, I don't think he's necessarily has to be one or the other. Again, a guy that's not a burner. I think that's probably the reason he's here at 88, doesn't have that ideal speed you're looking for, some of the separation things. It could be an issue for him. Tracking skills outstanding.

a very polished player. And some people see South Alabama and the thing, you know, but he had offers the Michigan State out of high school. He wanted to stay home. He wanted to stay, you know, in Alabama. Talk about the tracking skills. You've watched the player. Absolutely.

And again, against Tennessee. I mean, a guy that when he went up against better competition, he lived up to, you know, the hype as a good player. What do you think of Jay and Tolbertine? I agree with a lot, but Dan says I liked him as a long-speed intermediate guy because he's a 50-50 ball winner in a different way. He's very smooth as an athlete. Even when he would be, I like that you brought up,

they worked from a slot because he's a vertical guy from slot. And when he'd be going through that, and you can see him navigating, like over routes, you have to start inside, work up, and then go over. It's kind of like a feel thing. Cid Lambs actually won the best at it. But when you saw Tolbert do it, it was like, oh, that translates. They're going to get him at the number three speed of three.

And then you just run, I haven't run those overrouts. They love flipping their, the Cowboys, love flipping their receivers to have a receiver at three, the tight end at two, a three by one formation. I can see Tolbert in there when you're not using CD of land would be more of a blocker type,

but they're just getting that more long speed even if you didn't test like that. That's what he does because he's just down the fuel all there. Guess where they got Michael Gallup? Yeah. So they've... ...flip of a coin. Chiefs fans,

Raiders fans, Bengals fans. In my hands, I hold the most important pick of this entire round. We had wrestlers and now Kyle Brains doing a wrestling shoot as he was. up there.

This is a heel ready made for you. This is a heel promo all the way. The ninth pick of the 2022 NFL draft the Super Bowl 57 champion. We've had 16th of the school.

Of course, this drafts are flat. My man, Terrell Bernard, linebacker, Baylor. More speed. Yeah, more speed.

Undersized. I mean, he's, he's not a big guy. Six foot 220. but speed, speed, speed, that's what you got with Terrell Bernard. Again, going back to the Baylor track team. Coach Rule, that's what he brought to Waco. He wanted speed.

Maybe not the most polished players, but give me the traits, give me the speed. We'll develop the rest. And is what the third, fourth Baylor defender we've had, or Baylor prospect we've had today been drafted. They moved on from AJ Klein this off season. So now they potentially slots into that third linebacker spot they have. with Edmonds and Milano.

This is the team that plays nickel. Yep, big nickel. 100%. They very rarely use three linebackers, but that third linebacker that they've had for depth is no longer on the roster. Yeah, and it holds Matt Mulano right now. Isn't he,

it's 27. So he decided a contract extension last spring. Yeah, okay. He'll be there for a long time. I'm, I'm interested in what the Tramade Edmins long-term plan looks. Yeah. And no,

I know Matt Milano was their best linebacker last year. So how much he's going to get paid and everything else. Absolutely. For the short term here, I think that they needed. the third linebacker. And these Baylor guys, Dave Ranaugh is a hell of a football coach. And so these defensive guys from Baylor are going to be so well coached as far as what

they have to do in a modern NFL game because NFL coaches are watching what Baylor's defense has been doing really ever since that he was. Everyone when I was trying to talk about the Staley stuff and the Fangio stuff a couple years ago, every Vass and people like that, I'm not being mean to Vass, but it's like, what's actually Dave Rand. They well actually made me with the defensive stuff. And it's a lot of like, well, actually Dave Randon was doing a lot of that stuff. which I appreciate it's good to learn.

But the fact that he is such a well-respected member of the defensive football community, that's what he is. I had one year of Paul Kirsten on offense and him as the defense coordinator. It was like, oh, my God, this could be amazing. And then he left out of you because he got paid like $3 million to be. Badger boosters don't really have that money. So, yeah, I understand that. But real quick, too, I was talking about Tolbert as well.

I was like this. And I saw him starting to get some love, maybe in his second roundish. But I thought this is exactly where I had him graded. that was an exact perfect fit anyways just going back to that pick. Nobody at South Alabama had a thousand-yard receiving season until Jalen Tolbert. He did twice. So he's been productive. And with Bernard, you know, I love when multiple coaches, different coaching staffs,

both rave about the same player. Matt Ruhl raves about Trell Bernard. And then Dave Aranda, I mean, called him basically the heart and soul of their defense. So also raved about that Bernard and his fit within what they did in that Baylor defense. Certain type of guys end up on that builds defense. We talk about culture. They want the building. I mean, it seems to fit.

Seems to align there. They like smart players. I mean, that's what we talk about. Wayne Newton. So now we got Wayne Newton and Marcus Allen coming out for the drive around us. This is the weirdest draft. I love it.

Mr. Wayne Newton. How old is Wade Newton now? I mean, he looks great, though. He does. I'll say 80s, maybe. Well, his face is on five. 80? Yeah.

with the 90th in the 2022 NFL draft the Las Vegas Raiders select we'll do it together Dylan Barham

there you go so he was up there Dane on your best available players list he was no doubt and guards Center versatility. You love that. And another guy that had a really, you know, unique background.

He was a blocking tight end in high school. You know, it's very rare you see those types of guys. But Memphis saw a guy they could develop. They actually tried him in the defensive line room for a little bit. And then they moved in the offensive line room. And he started at guard, started a tackle. It has got that versatility, started three different positions. for Parham and a good athlete.

I saw some Shaq Mason with some of the things that he was doing out there. Guess what? Yep. The Patriots Offensive line coach is now the Raiders offensive line coach. That makes sense. I think that little sawed off thing. Yeah, I see that. That's a good comparison.

And they need bodies on the interior of the offense. We'll see how those snaps end up shaking out. Where does Leatherwood end up? But even if he plays right guard, they still need a left guard. but there's definitely some moving pieces on the offensive line for them. So I think that he'll probably have a chance to play pretty early. Yeah. It's fun watching this offense.

I'm telling you because they use them in different ways. Even in just these five clips we've seen, they do his own stuff. They pull them. They run screens. So they're going to do a lot of stuff. You got to see his movement a lot of times. So, yeah, it was, again, this is probably where you should have gone to. He understands how to out leverage his opponent.

He has a really good feel for that. Right. Exactly. And he's going to give you that immediate depth you're looking for on the offensive line, and then he's going to compete for a starting job, whether it could be at center. I know some teams thought he was best at center, even though he wasn't a guy that started at center at all in college, but projecting him forward, that's where some teams saw him. Some teams saw him a guard.

So the versatility on the interior of the offensive line, that's what he gives you. And this is what we thought, you know, that third round is going to be a sweet spot for a lot of these centers, the Luke Fortner's, you know, Luke Kedeky went a little earlier. in the second, but it would deliver the run. Right, exactly. Dylan Parham. So a little bit of a drop-up after these guys, but, you know, not surprised in the third round to see Parham come off the board.

You're looking at the Raiders offensive depth chart here, and, I mean, things are starting to fall into place a little bit. And if he can start right away, hopefully you have two starting tackles again. We'll see what happens with Leatherwood, but we know about the receiving options. It's an offense. I can't wait to watch. I just don't know what it's going to look like and what they want to be. and what Josh McDaniels has done the last few years.

I mean, just like, who do you, now that you have these players, I mean, Josh McDaniels has played as paper clips and duct tape at wide receiver for so long. And now he has the best receiver in the league. And so what, one of the best slot guys, how you express that.

I have no idea what it ends up looking like. So I'll take the Raiders drafting a guard in the third round. If it means more for this offense, I can't wait to watch. No doubt. It's just so funny, like, because they signed Jacob Johnson and who, if anyone has seen what Jacob Johnson looks like, he looks like a fullback.

He's built like Spongeball Squarepants. But it's with him, I'm just looking at his snap count. But he played about a third of their snaps last year, last two years, really. And that's the thing is that one of the best Raiders offensive players, because you want your best five skill guys out there is Hunter Renfro, who's 11 personality. He's okay on the outside as well. But it's just kind of like, I don't know, they have very interesting pieces. Who knows what happens with Darren Waller?

I'm telling you, I cannot wait to see what it looks like and what the plan ends up looking like. So if they can build this thing up with a guy like Dylan Parham who can come in and play right away potentially, Dan, I mean, it's, again, I think this as an offense, they're one of the most interesting units in the entire league. No, no. And for a team that had no picks in the first 80-something picks in this draft to come out with a Dylan Parham, you're feeling pretty good. If you're the Raiders front office, you know, it's a brand new regime there. And this is their first pick. This is a chance to give you that immediate. depth and a guy that's going to come to training camp ready to compete for starting job.

Be able to use you, like, we've each mentioned it, but using your hands like that is that's what usually you have to teach these guys in the offensive line. It's like, okay, we have to break you down. You see a lot of guys, they'll have rubber band their hands together to keep them tight. And like, just see those clips. And when I was watching more Robinson and Levis as he started going like, I was like, who the hell is this guy? Yeah. But watching it was just always, it was tight hands, tight hands, tights.

And that's why he's able to like play around the offensive line because that just translates. You know, just be able to use that. if sometimes size stuff doesn't come into play, or it does come to play. The buck's pick is in here at 91. I mean, the buck's done so far. Dan, can you lay it on me?

Well, I was going to say, real quick, yes or no, we're going to see another quarterback before the end of today. Will we see another quarterback? I think there's one more. One more? I think one more.

In the 2022 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Rashad White, running back Arizona State. What? This is off. I mean, I know it's a new, it's a new off, not a new offense, but with a new head coach. But the same thing.

The Buccaneers want running backs that catch the ball. Yeah. he's, he's a pass catcher. Maybe that's what he does best, kind of like a James Cook. He just does it in a different way. Nate, I know this is one of your favorite running backs, especially at this point in the draft. So what would you think of Rashad White? Yeah, real late riser for me. I'm Tony, I pigeonholed him. I was like, oh, red shirt, senior, he's older. I'll watch you a little later after all those other guys. And then I watched him. It's like he was the best player on their offense and watching him. He has bigger, he has good size too.

Like you're saying it's a little different than James Cook. He was a receiver by trade and ended up becoming a runback over his college. He's kind of Antonio Gibson, you know, like, and Memphis. Like, yep, right, right. No,

that's a great comparison too. And just the size and he has juice. He tested a little better with a long speed than I thought he would. I thought he'd be like more four or five five guy, but just a smooth athlete, very balanced. and like you can see him when he's catching the ball like he would catch it and adjust for balls and keep his feet

and that's why I really liked him at that size and he just has enough juice like it's more of that 10 to 20 yard juice than maybe the long long speed even though he tested well but man I would just watch him time after time and time again and I would say solid vision I love him with the bucks and I know what type of runs they like to run and that's exactly he was perfect for yes Sean Ryan tackle from UCLA yeah but then he'll probably catch 80

on checkdowns as well. It's up right. He has better hands and letter from that, even though for that had a good year last year. Giovanni Bernard's there. But again, I mean, GMVi Bernard's deep into his career. It always worked.

One year deal, banked up a decent amount. What do you think is Sean Ryan in the Packers here? Left tackle, UCLA, but you're going to be a guard inside. I mean, that's just kind of his body type

and the way he plays. But he's strong at contact. If he gets his hands on you, he's going to talk about riding the bull. He's going to do that. And so he, talk about, Kavon Tibido maybe not facing the best tackle talent in the Pac-12.

This is one of the good ones. This is one of the players, offensive linemen in that conference that you thought, okay, there's something here. Not at one scout tell me he was kind of like an 80% AVT. Vera Tucker was the first round pick last year, which I didn't necessarily see that.

I thought that was some high praise. But I don't think he had the same movement skills as a Vera Tucker. But you do like what he does at the point of attack. and even kick him inside at guard where he's going to have less room to have to take mirror in space. That's really going to help him. Get his hands on guys, control the point of attack. So Sean Ryan, plug and play guard. We'll see, bring him the training camp, see if he can compete for a starting role.

God, he doesn't look like UCLA lineman. It's so funny. God, but he reminded me as someone and I'm like, I want to pull up the name. That's why I see him out of computer. It was another UCLA lineman. God, I'll find that. but he reminded me of someone like that. But no, but just more of a mall or type.

Oh, I heard running back. Who's Dr. disrespect? Great question. Probably another wrestler. I'm wondering now if you think that Ryan is definitively a guard, Dane, what that means for Elton Jenkins? Do they consider moving Elton Jenkins to right tackle if they feel like, all right, we got running in the building, Royce Newman in the building,

now we draft another guy that we think is a guard, how their snaps end up shaking out, what kind of competitions arise in training camp for Green Bay. And we don't know, maybe the Packers might view him as a right tackle. I mean, he was a left tackle only at UCLA, but he has under 32 and a half inch arms. He's not a bad tester per se,

but he's not what you necessarily are looking for on the edges where you want him holding up in space against NFL athletes. So I'd be surprised if he's anything but a guard, but that's a good point because it might be it's a situation where they couldn't pass on him at this point, the value that he brings. But yeah, that does bring up some questions for Alden Jenkins. And he can play tackle. If you need to move around there, he can do it. I don't know how much right tackle he's played.

I know he's played a decent amount of left tackle last year when Bakhtiard was hurt. He's played both guard spots. He's played center. They talked about it. I'm trying to remember. He has done it before. He's played all five spots. But if I'm like looking at a pie chart of the total snaps, I don't know how much of them are right tackle.

By the way, the Carolina Panthers have traded up here to 94 day. And you asked where the next quarterback was going to go. Well, okay. We've heard the rumors with Baker Mayfield, but they also really like Sam Howell. That was the quarterback that they liked. And they did not pick until 137. They did not. Sorry.

They give them next year's third. So that's sorry about already giving up next year's picks. Listen. Well, okay. This was a problem to the next guy. It wasn't to what you said, Dan. No, no. I mean, if you're training a next year's third,

does that mean the Baker Mayfield trades off? I mean, because you're trading a future asset for, I'm guessing this is going to be a quarterback, but we'll find out. They really like Sam Howell. So, this is interesting.

I just, I love the fact that we're, for years from now, where did that pay there's going to go? Like, why don't, they have that third round pick. Well, and then 4A. Nyers took a Tyrion Davis

Price from LSU, which makes a ton of sense because that's the go, down and go. And that is a guy I had a fifth round grade on, I think, or fourth, fifth, yeah, fourth. Yeah, and yeah, but it's one of those, just like Eli Mitchell last year, who had a

fifth six round grade on, it's like get them into this traditional shan offense, that's exactly what he's ideal for and makes it take them. If you want elusiveness, creativity, this isn't your guy, but yeah, exactly. There's the whole hit it and run downhill. That's exactly what Davis Price is.

So a friend of the show, Charles Robinson from Yahoo, reporting that he's been told the talks between the Panthers and the Browns about Baker Mayfield have halted. She's not been able to come to terms on dividing up Mayfield's 18.8 and guaranteed money less this season, which means this is likely for a quarter of you think it's for Samo. I know they like Sam Hall a lot. And so, I mean, it's, you wonder if,

part of the deal was too that Carolina probably thought they had no shot at a Sam Howell. Or Matt Corral, whoever's left. Right, exactly, or any of these quarterbacks. They probably thought they had no chance at one of them. So maybe that's part of either Baker Mayfield, because why are the Baker

Mayfield, assuming it's for, it would have been for a next year's pick? Why is it those things happening right now? Is it because Carolina was waiting to find out if they could get a quarterback in this draft? That's part of the, maybe one of the variables here. Do they put number six, on Howell after they draft them

and they just tell the owner, hey, we got Baker. It's Baker. You easily could, you easily could get this. I think they might do that. It's cheaper though. Yeah. It won't cost so much. I saved you money too.

Yeah. No, that's not, you know, you never can't put past. Oh, I know. This is, I'm very curious about this one. So we're at pick 94. Trading a future third. That, to go to 94. That stunned me.

I mean, they're moving a good chunk from 137 to 94, but still, it's 94. Yeah, and that's somebody, or there's Patriots. Guess what? I'm thinking the Panthers' third round pick next year might be higher than 94. I'm thinking the Patriots are going to be okay with that. Yeah, yeah. If you're a wing on, I think it's 65 and 70.

So here we go. We have traded the 94th pick to the Carolina Panthers. With the 94th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Carolina Panthers select Matt Corral, quarterback, old miss. Okay. I knew he had fans in the building, but I thought I was going to be out. What do you think, Dan? Matt Carrell, he's fun. I mean, everything he does is quick, everything.

And so it's a lot of fun to see him go out there and just fling the ball around. And you worry about, I mean, everything he does is quick, but almost to a detriment. Because he's, you know, missing these wide open receivers to go where he wants to deal with the football. You love the toughness, but almost to a fault because he will take hits. He needs to take better care of himself. just be more durable. But this is an athlete who is a lot of fun to watch. I mean, when you were looking for a quarterback,

you want someone that's going to help put points on the board. You can look at Matt Correll and say he can do that for us. He can add an explosive element to our offense. And that athleticism is a big part of what he does from the pocket and moving around. He throws a pretty spiral in the class, I'll tell you that. Sure, he does. But he plays the position more like a shortstop. That's exactly shortstop and a point garment.

everything's quick. Exactly. Yeah, everything is just cool and boom. And some of that's the offense, but just even when he had to drop back, that's how it was. He was very, everything was one, two, three, get it out, one, two, three. Might have been how he was coached and everything. That's what you have to figure out. But I agree with Dane is that, and you see him scrambling and you love his toughest.

He is not as tiny, I wouldn't say tiny, but a smaller quarterback that's going to get down. He should in the NFL. But he was, if it was third and five and he was scrambling, oh, he's trying to lower to boom on somebody. And you could see this teammates get pumped up for it. which is always great to see. But, you know, he is smaller. He bulked up to about 212 or so. 212.

Yep, 212. But he probably sits more about 200, I would think. It's more water weight. And that's always scary when you get under sub 210 quarterbacks. That's always just going to be a scary thing because injury issues, which is something he did face. But you do love the toughness and you do, you see those flash throws. And it's like, ooh, that's pretty.

But there's a lot. He still has a lot to go with polish and all that stuff. So many important parts of playing this position. And just a little unproven at this point. So, yeah, it's the only drop back was forward. And so that brings me to my next question here. I mean, this team clearly wanted to try to trade for Baker May. They needed to do something at quarterback.

They were not comfortable just rolling with Sam Donald again. We've talked about this all weekday. Why you make the trade for Baker Mayfield if you already have Sam Darnold. What are you really doing? And I think it's something different. You're presenting something different. And sometimes that has value with optics and fan base interest and everything else. does that mean if they want something different?

Does Matt Corral is a third round pick going to training camp? And again, they rolled a ball out with him and Sam Donald's like, all right, go for it. It feels like that might be the case. Why not? You know, why not give him a chance to win that job? I mean, look at what Sam Donald has done in the league and it's nothing impressive. So, you know, why not give this guy a chance? And it's kind of like with Malik Willis, it's not necessarily that he's deficient in some of these areas.

It's more he's unproven. based on what he was asked to do in that scheme with that coaching staff. And college coaches, their job is to make things as easy as possible on the quarterback so they can put up points and win games. Not necessarily developing these guys for the NFL. Lane Kiffin, I mean, he wants to put points on the board. So that's his priority. It doesn't mean that Matt Corral can't adapt to an NFL offense maybe a little bit quicker than we think based off of just what he did on the tape. And, of course, that's where meetings come to play.

But also it's just the plays you're trying to translate. And I've mentioned the Kentucky offense. And I was like, oh, this is easy. But you watch Ole Miss's offense. And then so it's like, okay, the times they, because they're so RPO heavy, the times they did drop back, how did he operate in that? And there were some plays, and I made a joke about it, but they ran four averts and you can see him work his eyes a little bit. So it's like, okay, do we need to give you 15 plays you got to get comfortable with or you can only handle those three? And that's the can't and won't think kind of thing.

But that's why they have to make these decisions. You love the production in the SEC. Only one player in the FBS, the last two years. had over 3,300 passing yards and 500 rushing yards. And he did it twice. He's the only FBS player to do it in 2020 and then 2021. And he's doing it in a conference with pretty good defenses and good athletes out there. So it's Lane Kiffin's a big part of that.

There's no doubt that offense, that scheme. But give him credit for what he's been able to do. So the Colts trade back up to 96 here. Broncos get 179 and next year third. What does that mean, do you think? Is this Sam how? No, is this hell? Yeah.

I mean. Wow. I mean, because, I mean, maybe. Oh, I'll find out right now. Select Act Maryland. Go terms. Well, one of the. Not a quarterback.

No, no. One of the more athletic safety in this draft. Yeah. He actually ran track a little bit at Maryland, too. So he's just a freaky safety. Not a polished. player. I mean, him against Jahan Dotson is a little bit of a mismatch. So you do worry about that a little bit. But again, speed, speed, speed, speed.

The athlete that Nick Cross is, that's what do you want to draft, especially the Colts that they care about the traits. They care about. That's why I would be shocked if they pick Sam Howell. Right. Yeah. It's a safety Johnny Woods. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you can see the speed right there. I mean, he closing. The closing burst that he has is remarkable. And he could play different points in the the defense. You want him blitzing. You want him playing. more deep with that range, he can give that to you.

This is just what Maryland does. They just have like Darnel Savage. They just get all these speedy safeties that can close. Six foot 212 ran a 4-3-4 at the 40. That makes sense. I can understand why Chris Ballard would want that. I am surprised that Chris Ballard was willing to part with a future third-round pick. Yes.

But that's the interesting part about this. Or is those picks like Gallum Hordes the Ring. And correct me if it were wrong, this is kind of where people were slot and cross, too. it was third roundish. So, I mean, that kind of speaks. It's not like a huge, oh, man, they're taking a chance on a height, we'd speed guy. Like, they are a little bit, but this is about where he was slotted.

He was my 84th player. So, yeah, I think that makes sense. And I mean, look at what the Colts have done this round with Bernard Raymond and Nick Cross. I mean, some good players here that they probably had some high grades on. Frank Reich also. Oh, as Marissa clearly wants us to talk about. Oh, that's right. He is.

He is. He is. Frank Reich has that Maryland connection. There you go. Going back a little bit, Dan, we missed Zach Carter going to the Bengals. Defense attack. We talked about that and potentially wanted to build up their interior defensive line depth. What do you think is that Carter from Florida? Another guy, you kind of question, okay, is he a outside guy, inside guy, tweener? That was my big question with Zachary Carter because there are plays that he looks good on the edge.

And you think, okay, maybe a defense van, and then kick him inside. And you see some of that initial quickness. but I do worry about what's his best position. He might be that tweener that you worry about where he's going to be playing best. Is he a base end? Is he more of a three technique? Six four, two hundred and eighty pounds did not test all that great. But good tape.

I mean, the tape is better than kind of the testing. And when you start to get into the exact details, okay, what's he going to play? That type of thing. Just get him on my team. We'll figure it out. We talked about it. It was like the defensive tackles are not going to be replenished.

There wasn't like a bunch of, there wasn't like seven day two guys we're all excited about. So now you're really projecting, okay, we can maybe work with this and get him inside. And okay,

maybe if we focus his role without help with that, so that's just the argument for him. And they announced him as a defensive tackle. So I don't know if that says anything or. It might. It seems like three bills. No,

it's 280. And that's why I liked him best as a base end. where, because he's, but he's not a guy that's got developed counters or, you know, it's going to win in all these different ways. Yeah, it's more initial quickness and linear stuff. You know, he's not going to. Power and length, power and length. Right, exactly.

And so, but that, that wins from the inside too. And they can bring him along at whatever pace they want to. Well, and they probably see him, honestly, as an inside outside guy. It would give you a little bit of versatility. Kind of like we talked about them maybe going Logan Hall in the first round. Yep. You know, kind of that same deal, that same. thought process here in the third.

Well, because the guy they lost and that defensive line rotation is Larry Hanojob. Yeah. Who is a pretty traditional penetrating three-techned defense attack. And if they want to replicate that skill set, you can do that with somebody that's 280 situationally as you figure out what they are in their rookie year. Yeah, no doubt. And that's it. It's usually you narrow the roll down and go, okay, this is what you do.

On third down, you do this, base downs, you do this. And then as they develop as a player, then you go, okay, we're going to add this to your play, we'll add this roll to your play. We'll get you on a game and a twist. will drop you. You know, you get all the other fun stuff that you want to do with them. So right now, on the clock, Lions pick is in for them. Best available for you, Dane, right now. Who are you looking at? So best available, Darien Kinnard, the tackle guard from Kentucky, Perry on Winfrey,

defense tackle Oklahoma, Jamari Solier from Georgia, Leo Chanel. A little surprise, no, Chanel still out there. I can't believe the Patriots straighted down rather than taking it. I know. Questions about him in coverage. That's the big thing because he wasn't asked to do it. but he tested really well. And again, in 1995, you would have been the fifth overall pick. There's value to what he offers. So we got the goat.

And with the 97th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Detroit Lions select Kirby Joseph, defensive back, Illinois. A little run on safeties here. Yeah. Love Joseph. Another guy that, came on as a senior. It was not really part of the thought process for the secondary coming into the year, wasn't on the radar for NFL scouts.

And then midway through the year, and my Midwest scout kind of said, hey, check this guy out. Range, like, he's a really slender guy, but he's got 33 inch arms. I mean, the type of length that some offensive tackles are a little jealous of. And they played him sometimes 25 yards off the line of scrimmage because they trusted him, whether in run support or playing both sidelines. five interceptions this past year, a big fan of Kirby Joseph. And learning more about him. He grew up in the Orlando area

and he's a big volleyball player. And he credits volleyball for the leaping skills, some of the quick reaction stuff, being able to play at the catch point. So I thought there was a chance he might sneak into the third round. He was kind of borderline top 100 guy. Good for him that he gets in there to the Lions.

Like I said, are you playing that post or you're playing here, you're playing more quarters-ish coverages, but you can use that range. If you're rotating down and robber and you're in the post, boom, now you can go sideline to sideline or numbers to numbers really. And that's where that comes up. When we talked about it with the Saints with just the amount of safeties they've wanted to play in years past, you know where Aaron Glenn comes from, and you look at it, they don't have that many guys there. They brought back Tracy Walker this year.

It seemed like Sean Elliott came in. But, I mean, it's, again, there's going to be opportunities there potentially. They don't have a ton of guys at that position. Right. And this is still a team that's early. It's early in this process. Yes. The Washington commander select

Brian Robinson, Jr., running back Alabama. Another Alabama player going to the commanders. Big boy. Yeah, Robinson, and credit to Robinson, he waited his turn. I mean, he backed up. Josh Jacobs and Najee Harris

and Damien Harris, Bo Scarborough. I mean, he waited his turn. He's a Tuscaloosa kit. The COVID extra year of eligibility allowed him come back or else he would have been in last year's draft. And, you know, he runs for 1,300 yards in the SEC. Big guy, kind of remind me a lot of Latavius Murray as a runner where, you know, big size, but has a little bit of, you know, that one cut quickness where he can make a guy missing space.

And you worry him a little bit about what's he give you in the passing game. You know, it wasn't a big pass catcher for them. But, you know, when he was targeted, he usually, you know, did something good with those opportunities. So I like Brian Robinson said a lot more than I thought it would. Yeah, and that's Latavius is exactly what I kind of thought. And with him, it was, he doesn't have that high-end burst and everything, but he runs so tough. He's big. He gets the hard yards.

I mean, shoot, that's what they're shown right now. That's what he does. He's going to drag him for it. It's kind of like, remember Leroy Horde. He's going to get you three yards. Like that's what he's, that's a version of that. I liked his size and everything. I thought that he has true three-down ability because he has size for pass protection.

His eyes weren't great, which kind of disappointed me for a guy that's been there. four or five years and he had an NFL offensive line coach, Doug Marone, but that's a whole another discussion. But watching him in protection and stuff, he has the size for it. And that gives you upside that. It's like, hey, you can be on the field for more often, even if he's not a dynamic receiver, but if we're like, hey, they're bringing, they're bringing Leo Chanel. They're bringing a thumper down the pipe.

We got a guy that actually hold up and block that guy. He looks so much more decisive this past year. I mean, he's like he had this opportunity. He wasn't going to let it go to waste. He's like, you know what? I'm going to be more decisive. The confidence built up. It really was for him.

And good for him that he translated that into a top 100 pick in the draft. This feels to me like an expression of their frustration with Antonio Gibson at this point. I feel like that everything you're saying about Brian Robinson as a runner that you talk about being physical decisiveness. Those are traits that Antonio Gibson, I don't think, I show often enough. So you take a running back in the third round. Yeah. I mean, you assume that guy's going to be part of your rotation at the very least. Brown's picking at 99 here.

David Bell. So there's your receiver for Cleveland. Is this the type of player necessarily you thought they'd go with at that spot? It's very different than the third round receiver they took last year. Yeah, you don't say. David Bell is a guy that is, not the, he doesn't have the explosiveness or the speed. And that, that worries you at the next level. But the tape is good.

And, you know, talking to a scout that was at the Purdue Pro Day when Bell did not run ran in the four sevens. But talking to a scout that was there, he said he had a great day because the positional drills, the catching, actually catching the football, things that kind of matter was outstanding. Strong hands.

Exactly. And so this is a guy that he's a kind of a playmaker, you know, and not going to test well. And, you know, that's why he did not go in the first half of the top 100. And here he is at 99.

And I think it's still, I'm not surprised he's being taken here in the third round, even though he did not have the testing, because we already down. rated him on the, based on the tape, that he didn't have the speed. We didn't need to do it again, but he didn't run well, a combine or product. Exactly. We already knew he wasn't an explosive guy.

Yep. But we know he's a really quality receiver, catches the ball well. Yep. So at this point in the draft, a good value. Yep, strong-handed guy. This is exactly where Adam graded, third-round guy. 95 overall on my board, yeah. Yep.

And this is, I like him because I think he'd be a very useful player. I actually, I compared him to Joshua Palmer, who came out last year, where I think he could be unlocked a little bit as a power slot. I'm going to make sure I say that because he is physical and he is a good blocker. He's got good ball skills and everything. And that's his appeal. In the red zone, shoot, let this guy get some back shoulders and stuff. And, you know, move him inside, run more intermediate and deeper routes,

even if he doesn't have that speed. He has that ball skills. Maja Sanders. No, Maja Sanders is going to the Cardinals. Sanders is my 100th player. So, you know, that's... I think he was, actually. Yeah, exactly, 100 player.

That matches up. That tracks. So they're just falling aboard. Yeah, exactly. And Cardinals, I mean, my Jay Sanders is, the weight was weird with him.

Because, like two 15ers or what I said? He was sick, right? In the spring, but I think that was an excuse. Like, this is a guy that just, it's, the weight is up and down.

In the spring, he was 220. Okay. At 224, I believe. And then played a little bit heavier during the season. At Senior Bowl, he's back down on 220s.

And then Combine, he's back up, or Combine, he was down. So it's just, it's been a weird weight fluctuation for him. And the, production this year was not what you expected of a guy that wins with

athleticism off the edge, wins with speed. And part of that's how he was used, but a guy that only had two and half sacks this year and you expected more out of him. At 220, that's probably a concern. He was 228 at the com. He was 220 at the spring and then was good size. I can't remember exactly at the senior bowl, but then 228 at the combine, 247 at his pro day.

So it's very up and down for him. But part of it is how they used him, where they did. didn't necessarily always ask him to pin his ears back and go. So that's part of the reason for the two and a half sacks. But, you know, that's why he fell a little bit. We thought he might have been a first round pick back in August. But then that's the thing with him is, like you said, with Cincinnati's defense, which was really fun to watch.

They did some really cool stuff schematically too. And also good players, as we're seeing. But they would slan him inside a lot. And it's like, I don't want my 225-pound guy to be eating the inside stuff. It's like, I wanted to see more pin his ears back. So, yeah, that's where some discrepancy. They'd play him as a five technique. They'd play him as a four-eye, you know,

and that's just not really conducive to his skill set. I mean, I think he even said it. He said that they used me more as a decoy. So, you know, whether that's true or not, it is kind of matches up with how the film looked, where he wasn't playing that wide nine or just being on the edge and being able to use that speed. So, but the Cardinals, you know,

think about their past rushes they like. They like guys that just kind of wind them up. boom let him go you know like that's what he offers you think about what hasan radick was in terms of like size and i mean it took them a while to figure out what he was for them but this team needs pass rushers john jones is gone they haven't really addressed it in free agency and that's one spot where they absolutely had a hole yeah so got jj want and they did draft what cameron thomas earlier right who maybe actually or maybe earlier yeah whatever right and so another uh you know pass rusher so it's just a different type of pass rusher.

And he reminded me a lot at San Diego State, reminded me a lot of Zach Allen, who's also one of the Cardinals' defensive ends on the roster. So, you know, a guy that can win with power in his hands, not necessarily, even though he had a great three cone, like six, seven something. But you don't necessarily see that bend, especially off the edge. You see a guy that's going to win with that initial quickness, that power at the point of attack.

But, you know, with two pass rushers here in the third, you could understand that thinking for the Cardinals. Yeah, I know. Yeah, two different flavors. a little bit. Yeah, yeah, and yeah,

might as well take chances on pastures if you need to no doubt, no down. Just replenish it. What's better in a one,

take two. So we're down to what final five picks here? Final five picks to the night. Got jets, dolphins,

chiefs. I'm going to keep on rolling after that a couple more. Jets, dolphins, cheese, okay. I mean,

it's a hundred picks in the books. Wow. All right. I, Rams 49ers. Based on what we expected coming in today,

the fact that the quarterbacks didn't go till round three. The fact of the Panthers traded back up. And that has to be the headline from what we've seen so far. Right. Yeah.

I mean, we thought going into the day it was going to be all about the quarterbacks, quick run, some trade-ups. And it didn't happen, not at all. And it's just so funny when you talk about the quarterbacks with teams throughout the process the last few months, they all said the same thing. They're going to go. They're going to go. And that's what history tells us.

And it's one of those things where, well, we're not going to take them, but somebody will. And nobody. he did, at least in the first 75 picks. Every single person at the combine. Well, I really like him, but I wouldn't take a chance on him. Right. But I had someone, yeah, someone is a little too rich for my blood, but, you know, someone else. And every single guy.

And I remember we did the quarterback show, Robert, and that's why I was like, wait a second. Okay, do people really like them or are we all feeling the same thing? It turns out, I think we all were feeling kind of similar with where we had them rank. I mean, what I watched quarterbacks. And again, I'm not watching the same way that you are. But my takeaway, and I said it on the show, I wouldn't take a single one of them in the first round. A single one of them. And then one went the first round. The rest didn't go

to the third round. I keep saying it. It makes this feel bad. With the 101 picking a 2020 draft to New Jersey Jet select Jeremy Records from Ohio State. Love it. The Jets, they might be number one on my list of favorite draft.

I mean, what they did, three first round picks, they come back with Breece Hall and now get Jeremy Rucker. I mean, love that. I mean, I actually, I tweeted back in January how Jeremy Rucker would be a perfect fit with the Jets. Jeremy Rucker's dad tweeted at me with Ruckert in a Jets uniform when he was like six years old. Because this is a long island kid.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Grew up. Yeah. And so this is a great fit both for the team and for the player. I mean, this might be the one-handed catch. Christian Harris. I mean, he's running with him. But, yeah.

Great hands. I mean, overall. And I think, Dan, you tweeted this, I think, around senior bowl time, you're like, he's going to be a better pro than college. Oh, 100%. And that's what he is. And that's what you watch. And he's, he was, why do you say that, Dan? It just, he is a lot more of lack of targets.

Yeah, gotcha. Okay. Yeah. But when he was targeted, good things happen. Yeah. Like, really good things happened. So, but when he had his opportunities, he should, I mean, I know you really like, he was, was you talking to Titan. Yeah.

I love it. I mean, that's, and what hurt him throughout the process was the foot injury. that he suffered at the senior bowl. So no combine, no pro day. We don't have testing information on him. That hurt him a little bit. But again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why he wasn't utilized more in that offense.

I mean, just look at the receiver talent. But when Rucker was targeted, good things happened. What made him your tight end one day? He's a true why to me, which is so hard to find. And I think just not only is he a true why where it's like, okay, third down, he can't be on the field. He can stay on the field on third down. And it was so much more athletic ability than when I think people were making them out to be. Because not only of those routes, he was catching, like, there's a rep against Penn State.

He catches like a corner, and he's so smooth on it. And but I just really think this guy is his best balls in front of him. And he's a three down tight end, which is second play in line because he's a legit blocker with some strength and pop to him. His technique is all over the place. Inconsistent. Yeah. Because he'll slice block and he goes for kill shots. And it's like, okay, let's hold it in.

But it's great. They already have the two tight ends now. I'm saying, now you have Azama, Conklin and him. Amazing. A lot of bodies to work with. All kind of three kind of similar flavors, too. Like kind of like good three down guys. So yeah, I really like it.

How you get one on with Michael Carter. I mean, I thought Rutgers would go a few periods away. I mean, about 70-ish, you know, 60-ish. Sure. Like, I don't know. It's a three-down tight ends. And those aren't the easiest guys to find. I mean, you have to, it always comes back to this.

As excited as you might be about the Jets draft, I was excited about as Jets fans should probably be. None of it matters. The quarterback isn't good. Correct. None of it matters. In the 2022 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select Channing Tyndall. Linebacker, Georgia.

So let's, all right, this is what the seventh Georgia player? Georgia defender. Yeah, we've had. Yeah. So three linebackers now, the safety, Lewis seen, three defensive linemen. So, yeah, the seventh Georgia defender drafted here in the first three rounds. Tyndall is, I mean, speed, speed, speed. This guy.

His testing is insane. You know many games he started? As many as you and me in college. Zero starts in his career, but the way they would bring him in and utilize him special teams as a sub-passion line. Sub-packed linebacked linebacker. Exactly. And it's C-ball, get-ball.

That's what it is with him. And needs to develop the anticipation a little bit in terms of reading, his keys and yes but just this guy has speed and he's got size so there's there's a lot to work with that when watching him it's so funny because he gives it away also that was the that's my quarterback evaluation sometimes i could tell when he was blitzing because he was the guy that would be like staring right down the pipe and then go but man he is a hammerhead when he was like he has that speed and he's we talk about speed to power there was speed to power with him like he should it looks like he has a necrow but i don't think he does but he should have well he's a better

athlete than that, but just like he's willing to bring it. And that's when I watched that Georgia defense, I was like, they're bringing 41 down the pipe. He's blowing guys back. So yeah, it's, it's funny that third linebacker on the first two days. It's, that's crazy. He's an enforcer. Yes.

That's how he plays. I mean, still 230, though. I mean, even with all that explosiveness, that's still, oh, yeah. Prototype size, bigger guy. 42 inch vert. I mean, that size with a 42 inch vert. That's gracious. I mean, man.

Dave Lennon Robertson, Jerome Baker there still. I mean, we'll see what happens with him. There, finally. There's Chanel. Okay, and then Chiefs pull back in the lead for best draft. I mean, come on. Jeez. Yeah.

Jets and Chiefs here fighting it out. Leo Chanel 103. So falls out of the top 100 picks. Another line packer who tested off the charts. And he's a fun guy to watch. I mean, all he does is make plays. He's got a nose for the ball downhill. His balance is ridiculous.

Just bouncing off blockers, not keeping himself off the ground, line them up all over that front seven. And he just makes plays. It's just really fun to watch. He's half defensive line. He's like a tweener between a linebacker, defensive tackle, and defensive end. He really is with the way he plays. Yeah. No, he's a lot of fun.

And especially that defense, that's Jim Leonard. And what they do a lot, they'll peel guys off. They'll peel the end off. And they just let him attack downhill. and it's like so fun to watch him again like just makes plays i think he has like 11 brothers and sisters he does something like that but yeah they love him wisconsin they thought you know they of course want to stay there like a typical wisconsin guy but it's very good athlete and just unique player it's just such a weird hard to describe him because that was so great how you're just

describing hybrid linebacker detaggle because that's kind of how it is like that's how he plays yeah he i thought i'm the oldest debate so i come from a big family he's the twas he's the 12th oldest of 16. 16. Yeah. God. I mean, that's got nothing on me. Liverpool.

I mean, they've spent, I mean, that's a, not top 100 pick, but very close to it. And then they've drafted linebackers in the second round

in each of the last two drafts. Yeah. So, I mean, they've spent a decent amount of draft cap. And they're doing well with those guys. Yeah. And again,

at this point, it's like, man, can we really pass on him again? Yeah. And I mean, right away, it's like,

okay, maybe we don't get them on the field, but special, I'm sorry, but special teams. Let's get him on the field that way. I want to be an athlete like that. I mean, he's useful.

Again, these are these guys, but it's like you can find a use for him if you're creative enough. All those picks for the Chiefs, all the picks for defensive players. Scott Moore, the only offensive player than the Chiefs are so far.

Don't need an offensive line. It is such an honor to be here to help pick the first pick from the reigning world champion. Rams! Welcome to the draft Rams. I'm not going to turn it over to franchise rushing leader, Mr. Stephen Jackson.

Pipe down, pipe down. Also just looks incredible. Didn't recognize him of the hair. Las Vegas native. I knew he lives here. Yep. He's from here. He's from here.

I had this same dream that I'm about to present. What I want to tell everybody that has a dream, always remember, like this town, bet on yourself. And with that, the 104 pick in the 2002 NFL draft, the Los Angeles Rams select

Logan Bruss, Guard, Wisconsin. That makes sense. Badger. This is Badger Ridge. It's the Badger Run. Yeah. Oh, is that? Good football players with blamishes? Yeah. There you go. That's the Badgers. 6-5-3-10.

Played tackle and guard. I like him better as a guard. I think it's probably where he's best. but, you know, who's the other former Wisconsin guard they have? No, the former. They haven't signed a right tackle. Yeah. David Edwards.

David Edwards. Yeah. So, I mean, they go back to that Wisconsin well. And, I mean, he's just, he's a guy that grew on me. First watch, I was like, eh. I mean, he's, he's okay. But then you watch more and it's like, he doesn't lose that much. Whether it's a tackle, whether it's a guard, there's something there.

He's tough, tough guy in high school. he played half their state championship game with a broken leg. I mean, he's just, he's a true tough guy. And that's what you expect from a Wisconsin lineman. And I think that's what the Rams are getting. So both of their starting guards as of right now, they lose Austin corporate free agency this year. They have David Edwards,

they have Bobby Evans, who they drafted in 2019, in the third round, 2019, both of those guys. So they'll be hitting free agency after this season is over. So potentially has a chance to compete for a starting spot now, but in the long run could be a starting guard for them. And in 2020.

They like that. What were they done with No Boom for years? Yeah. They like having those swing guys. It's a good friend. They are totally fine, bringing those guys along slow. That's what you're supposed to do the office line. You take one year and you just keep it off.

The 2022 NFL draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Danny Gray. Hey, there goes. Got another mock draft, right. There you guys. Speed, speed, speed. This is my darnel Mooney in this draft. Yep. I love the speed.

Yeah. And I love that you throw on the SMU tape and he's making plays at all three levels. Catch and go, winning vertically. It's a lot of fun to watch them play. And this is exactly what the Niners needed. It was that speed outside of receiver. Yeah. This makes sense actually with how they try to win to.

But also, no matter who the quarterback is, like, this guy blends well because speed translates. And it does. I hope the quarterback is Trey Lance. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's what I was going to say. But it's like, I don't know.

This keeps dragging out. But honestly, this. guy is more of an ascending player because it's more and you're who knows one of the best receiver coaches is Kyle Shanahan even though he's a head coach he develops these guys that's what he did for freaking Brandon Ayuk brandon iuk ends up at so many other places he's a bust i i still believe that he goes a 49ers and it's like okay he you can see the traits really working for it's really interesting name because we've talked about this before when it comes to shenhan he likes that speed element he likes that top off of defense guy they haven't really had that you know

they're receiving core if you look at the makeup of it really since marquis's good one his left. They have Ayuk and then their third guy in those scenarios has been born and then Trent Shirfield, where it's that big body kind of third down guy that goes along with Ayuk and Samuel. They haven't had this element in their offense.

That's what you love about Gray is because he can be that catch and go threat where he's going to get the yeah, that this offense loves but can also give you the vertical threat as well. So it gives you the best of both worlds. You wish he's a little bit better finisher. He will have drops and kind of the same thing with Darnel Mooney. He

will have his drops. He will have his fair share of maybe some mental mistakes, but the talent, the speed, you're going to roll with that every day. Well, I don't want you to besmirch Bears number one receiver Donald Mooney on this podcast. Yeah. Well, hey, I mean, it's, he's a quality starter, right? Yeah. On that note. That's how we're ending it. Guys, we are four and a half hours in here. What a day. What a day. Thank you guys so much for sticking around with us. These two guys will be back after rounds four through seven tomorrow. We will have another podcast recapping those four rounds. We will not be live, unfortunately. Thank you so much for sticking around with us over the last couple of days. I know we've had a hell of a time doing this.

Appreciate all of your guys this time. We'll talk to you soon. This was the Athletic Football Show's draft night special.