The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - 2023 NFL Draft Round 1, picks 21-31: Quentin Johnston to Felix Anudike-Uzomah

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

Robert Mays, Nate Tice and Dane Brugler bring home the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft on this episode, reacting to picks 21 through 31. It begins with a run on receivers, and ends with the rich—most notably the Bills, Bengals and Eagles—getting richer.Follow Robert on Twitter: @robertmaysFollow Nate on Twitter: @Nate_TiceFollow Dane on Twitter: @dpbruglerSubscribe to The Athletic Football Show...AppleSpotifyYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Athletic Football Show. I'm Robert Mays. Hopefully you guys listen to the first two episodes of our round one recap. This is episode three picks 21 through 32 at the end of the draft. So much great stuff happening here. Please enjoy show number three of three. This is the Athletic Football Show's draft night special. Live in studio from Kansas City.

Featuring your host Robert Mays. The Athletics NFPA. NFL draft beast, Dane Brugler, and of course, the one and only Nate Tice, plus special guests along the way. The NFL draft is now officially open. A guy whose ceiling is completely limitless, and somebody whose future and where he can go is very, very exciting, Nate, is Anthony Richardson. Let's chat a little bit about where you think Richardson is and why you're so excited

about him. Well, first and foremost, it's the athletic ability. That's what you're going to start with, is just we talk about. problem solving creation right here. This is a play against Tennessee where it is a fourth and one right here. And the true difference maker athleticism, especially what Anthony Richardson shows, this is a bootleg. And I want to show you what Tennessee is doing right here. This is a defensive back. Defensive backs, you generally run, what, four or five, you know, that minimum, you know, ballpark right there. Here's Anthony Richardson outracing a defensive back to the edge, to the corner,

and getting back about 15 yards on this play. But the fact that this is so fluid, not throws the defender off of him and just creates a play right here, a huge first down and a tight ball game. And this is like, that's where it starts. Just these athletic gifts that he has. But I also want to show just some of the mental polish that he plays with as well. Right here against South Florida, this is just a cover two, classic cover two from South Florida. And this is a classic high, low combination from Florida. So, I'm sorry, from South Florida.

And then Florida is running a classic high low. Cover two beater right here smash. So you're going to have a hitch on the outside and a corner route from the slot. So if you look here, right there, there's your hitch, and then this is going to be a corner out. This is the soft spot in cover two. That guy's going to go right outside there. Now, Richardson knows this. The defense knows this.

That is the soft spot. That is where you want to beat in cover two. So how is Richardson, along with his arm straight, how does he beat this? If you see that safety right here, you see him just kind of be flat-footed and not get with? There's a reason. That's not just because the player is not very good, which might be the truth right there. I'm sorry for that player. But if you watch right here from the end zone, this is polished.

This is being a technician. This is being a quarterback. So if you look, there is Richardson with his eyes. Again, you want to look at the helmet right here. He is looking outside. He is seeing he's confirming the picture. That is covered too, what South Florida is showing me. See him glance right there to the middle?

That's him holding the safety. And that's why that safety freezes. He is not looking at the receiver there. Yes, it looks like it. That's where the safety is. It's right there. He's holding him. The safety doesn't know which way to go now.

He should be getting with. So he holds him there and then drives on the throw all within rhythm. And I just want to show one last play because this is just the freaky traits that Richardson again, but also with polish. He's throwing a sail route here against Eastern Washington. Now here come to charges. I'm trying to get the ball off. The guy's dragging him down. In the 2023 NFL draft.

He's as he's getting tackled from the guy that, yes, it's Eastern Washington. He's probably about 200 times. He's dragging up and still throws the ball from the opposite hash all the way to the sideline. Huge first down, which should have been a sack. That's what Richardson is. It's surprising polish. along with, yeah, freaky athletic gifts.

That's the package that he's bringing to Indianapolis. So here's our answer about the playmaker that was going to get dropped into the Chargers offense. Great, great job. That was outstanding, by the way.

Wow. Quit Johnston. Wow, to the Chargers. That's not the receiver we thought would be the next off the board. Okay. Not, we thought maybe tight end.

They go with the big receiver who is, not the freak necessarily we thought he was, but he's a good athlete. He has size. Probably what you like most about him maybe is just that ability to make that first man miss.

He's got a really good sense for it. But, you know, he needs to be more consistent in all areas of his game. Rout running, finishing at the catch point. He's a, we talked about polish with Jackson Smith and Jigba. Quentin Johnson's the opposite. He's unpolished in a lot of areas.

But you see the ability. And, you know, anybody that watched at TCU offense, you know, you saw him make plays after play. plays after plays, plenty to be encouraged about about what he's going to grow into. This is a home run swing. Yes. And I understand why they wanted to make it. When you think about just how condensed and lifeless that offense could feel at times last year, over the last couple of years, they've had no one.

They could just take it to the house. Let's put the ball in his hands and let's see what he can do. And with his physical profile in the frame, you think a downfield guy ball, ball wonder. That's not who he is. He's a yak monster. What he can do with the ball in his hand. hands is his best trait, and they've lacked that skill set. And now, potentially, in the best case scenario, they have it. And he can do this from the outside. Like, all of his highlights that

he just showed, I don't know what happened with my voice right now. All those highlights that they just showed, it's crossers. Get the ball on his hands. Yack monster. Home run threat, but it's, it's it starts after the catch. Runway routes. Yes. Yes. Get him on the move. No one. A guy you can get the ball on a slant to and just have him take it to the house. That has not been in the office. Their best yak has been. The last couple of years of him. He was very good at it. But if you want guys that are truly creating something. Like last year, they tried to make Gerald Everett work. And so that's why, like, even when we were just talking tight ends and receivers, I was like, Johnson actually makes more sense that I thought five minutes ago and actually worked out right here.

But getting a guy that's different than Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen's your slot guy now. He's your power swap, but more of that crafty route runner. Mike Williams is your outside ball winner. So you don't need that vertical ball winner. Now you've got the guy that's creating the yards after catch. Again, we're talking about synergy of the past catcher room. Boom, right then and there. I think in a lot of teams that were desperate for past catching options, he would have been miscast. They would try to use him in ways that weren't conducive to his skill set. On this version of the chargers, at least the 2023 chargers, and see what happens after this. But this year's team, you're not going to have to worry about that because you can have him be who he kind of is at his core based on the other players around him.

And when we did the wide receiver preview show, I mean, you threw out Ayyuk as a potential com. I had not, you know, I don't think you initially think of that, but when you factor in what he does best, and Iyuk, what he does best with the length and the yak, it matches up. It makes some sense. And so it really kind of clicked. I was like, huh, never would have thought about that. But when you think about what they do best,

you know, I understand why you would come to that conclusion. And for a team like this that needs that, an infusion of something that gives you a little bit extra. You have Mike Williams in the outside, when you have those comebacks and back shoulders and, you know, Keenan Allen with his ability over the middle of the field and some of those short intermediate routes, I had a guy like this who he can't, you know, watch the Kansas tape.

You see him win deep. He can do that, you know, not as a true ball winner, but something like a track over his shoulder, make plays. But then also take simple slants and take it to distance. He has that ability in him. So it'll be interesting to see how they sprinkle him in the offense. You know, Josh Palmer's still there. They don't have to rush him.

That's also the nice thing about this. And we talk about veteran presences in these official rooms to land with Keenan Allen. Yeah. Who is the most nuanced and advanced player. And you talk to receivers around the NFL. It's like, who do you like, who do you watch? Ken and Allen's the first name out of their mouth every time, him and Devont Adams, every single time.

And for that, to you to land in that sort of spot is huge. And then you think about Kellamore, okay? That Kellymour offense with all those stop rats, where you got guys turning around the sticks. The Chargers did a lot of that over the last couple years, to a frustrating degree. Every single time that happened, the play was dead. Come back, catch a one yard ahead of the sticks,

no yak whatsoever. DeAndre Carter doing it. And that's what you drop Quinn Johnson into here this. Think about that Kansas game, Dane. Isn't that the game where he just took that stop route, spins on a dime, it takes it 60 yards for a touchdown. That was not in this offense. I'm getting excited thinking about it because I just want more.

I just want more. And this seems like a route to do it. I don't love them. I think there's a ton of risk associated with this. But I understand the vision based on what you already have. But just like Ayuk ended up in the perfect spot for him, with Shanhan, that offense, a lot of yak and everything, it's as far as the other players he's playing with the fit,

like you're saying, I'm glad he brought up Joshua Palmer too, because that, he doesn't need to be that guy right away, eating 120 targets. No. It's like, no, he's probably not going to have a very impressive rookie year. I'll just be honest, but it's like you're going to see those flash plays from him, the yak and everything. And that's kind of how Iyuk ended up in that great situation.

This is a good situation that he might have a path where it's like, okay, you add more to it. They're both just, I want to say, I actually will use the term sloppy route runner. He wavers. And he kind of just doesn't have that feeling, that tightness who has like the epitome of no waste of movement, Keenan Allen. But just maybe get to like 50% of Keenan Allen and then. Yeah, we really got something going here.

A team that's going to have to worry about defending the Chargers and defending Quinn Johnson as the Las Vegas Raiders. They added to their defense tonight. Here to chat with us about that is one of our Raiders writers at the athletic. DeShon Reed. Sean, very good to see you, my friend. How you doing? Good to see you, ma'am.

I'm doing pretty good here at Raiders' headquarters. We've got the, we finally got a medium meal. They usually don't give us food. We've got a nice chef, everything, making a state. They're treating us nice up here, man. What do you think of the Tyree Wilson, Peck? Obviously, we thought the Raiders might go defense. They needed every single level of their defense.

Why Tyree Wilson over the guys who were available at that spot in your mind? Yeah, so before the draft started, I put out there that they probably didn't consider, you know, for these quarterbacks to be first round guys, let alone top 10 picks. And so even though Will Levis was there on the board, it just didn't feel likely that they were going to go with them. And obviously, they didn't, you know, targeting the defensive side of the ball. And Tyree Wilson in particular, he's their top rated edge out of this entire draft. class even over Will Anderson. They believe just his raw tools, his size, his length,

his athletic ability, the potential to sort of mold him into something greater was something that it just couldn't pass on at this spot. And so they view it as a great value. It's a premium position, obviously. And, you know, it's not necessarily a need for them, you know, since they have Max Crosby and Chandler Jones already on the roster, but both Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels have been adamant that they're going to go with the best player available, wherever they consider that to be. and obviously for them it was Tyree Wilson. Obviously, this is going to be, we'll see what unfold over the course of the season. It's kind of a long-term question.

But what do you think the plan is for him with those two guys already on the roster? You think we see the three of them together. You think we see him sprinkled in a little bit. What is the deployment plan for Tyree Wilson in your mind at this stage? Yeah, I think he lines up as a third edge rusher in the rotation. I think with Chandler Jones not being the best against his run, that's not really what he's made his money for. Tyree Wilson maybe could rotate in on some of those, you know,

rundowns and even just to give him a breather. I mean, Chandler Jones is getting up there. He's not coming off the best season. He's dealt with injuries the last few years. And I also think Tyree Wilson has the versatility to rotate inside. The Raiders are a team. They have a multiple front with Patrick Graham. They fluctuate between a three-four and a four-three.

And so, you know, like Tyra Wilson maybe you don't want him as a four-three-defensive tackle, but when they are in a three-four, you know, whether it's lining up as a three-four defensive end or, you know, a 4-33 technique. I think he has a versatility where he can get on the field pretty often, even though I don't expect for him to be a starter this year. In terms of his role, this is more of a long-term move. You know, Jones, they can get out of that contract next year.

And ideally, Tyree Wilson is ready at that point to become the starter at edge opposite of Max Crosby. We talked about this heading into the draft. I mean, we were just discussing who they might take at 7, the idea that this team knows what they are now. You know, last year they got a little bit ahead of themselves with Devonte Adams trade. This feels to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, Like, you know what, we know it's going to take a couple years.

Even if this is more of a pick for 2024, where we're at in our development, that's okay with us. Yeah, they know what they are. Like last year, they thought they were a lot closer. Obviously, if you trade for Devante Adams and signed, Chandler Jones, you think you can win. And it's reasonable. You know, they made the playoffs in 2021. They almost knocked off the Bengals who went to the Super Bowl that year and almost won. And, you know, so it couldn't really fault them for that.

But, you know, I think it's good that they're honest. You know, they don't think that they're close right now. I think you can go off for their free agency moves. I know they signed Jimmy Garapolo, but they got rid of Derek Carr, who's better than Jimmy Garano. They haven't really made any other major moves.

And so you can just read their action. Like, I wouldn't say they're not trying to taint. You know, I don't think they're going to be that bad, but they're not necessarily trying to go for it either. It's going to be a slow and steady build, and really the only way to do that is through the draft. And drafting, you know, like I said,

the best player available, even if it isn't an immediate need. And so we'll see, you know, they have 11 picks left. This isn't obviously going to be. all that they do in the draft moving forward. But, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if on day two and day three, we see them load up on some positions that maybe these guys aren't year one starters, but they believe they can

be starters moving forward and high impact players. And obviously, owner Mark Davis has given, you know, both GM, Dave Ziegler and coach Josh McDaniels that runaway to do so. I don't know if necessarily they could move on from either one of those guys, even if they wanted to for cash reasons. But they're all in on the long-term build here. And that's not the most exciting thing for Raiders fans to hear, especially since they haven't had too many playoff bursts, you know, since I've been alive, really.

But, you know, I think it's the sound process for where they are as a team. All right, well, you go enjoy the rest of that meal. Always good to chat with you, buddy. We'll catch up soon. Appreciate you having me. All right, guys, we're going to take one more quick break. We will be back here shortly. All right, we are back.

And while we were on break, the Baltimore Ravens take Zay Flowers receiver from Boston College. It's all coming together for this Ravens Off. It's been a big, big day. We get the Lamar Jackson. extension. Now we get another pass catcher for Lamar Jackson and Todd Mockin and that revamped look. I kind of like it. I think you got a lot of intrigue now with what that receiver group looks like. You know, doing my seven-round mock, I was in the middle of it when O'Dell Beckham

signed. And I was like, oh, I had Zay Flowers going on 22. Now I got to go back and change it. But then talking to more people, I was like, you know what? They might, they could double up. Why not? I mean, O'Dell Beckham's on a one-year deal. Zay Flowers, you have him to the mix. He can be that inside-outside guy, maybe, three level threat. He put more downfield on tape this year, which is good to see. He's a smaller target. He's 5-9-1-80.

And so, you know, he is what he is size-wise, but speed, another guy that knows how to throttle up and down. He has some, a little bit after the catch. He's not going to break a ton of tackles or anything like that, but he has speed. And, you know, he's, there's a lot of, when you focus on receiver and you think about guys that get open and that just really threaten defenses, he has a lot of that. Yeah, and also just another guy with Rashad Bateman, Odell Beckham, and now Zay Flowers. There's some Agalore's in there somewhere.

Yes, there's some kind of saminess, but actually in a good way. And how Todd Monkin's going to use them is going to be really interesting. But I think their whole offense is, let's get the ball in their hands. Even if they use stuff like RPO's, these guys are great for that because they're all great going to be good on slants. They're all going to be good. Just get the ball in their hands, let him create yards after the catch and have kind of some of that interchangeableness. I think that's what's nice. I think Odell is trying more outside.

He can bounce on the inside, but Bateman could go inside and out as well. So I think that's kind of a fun little, like these three can just make a little difference and do the same things, but I mean that in a good way. And then you pair them with Mark Andrews, and that's your size. So, yeah, get the ball in these guys' hands, let's get speed. Any touch can be a touchdown. That's really fun. Todd Manken's offense, the last time we saw him as an offensive coordinator in the NFL call and plays was in Tampa. Yeah.

And they had all of those receivers. And now this kind of feels like the next. step in Baltimore, Baltimore's offensive shift in an offensive evolution. You know, for years they had one receiver and then all those tight ends. And now we could be looking at a team that has Rashad Bateman, Odell Beckham, Zay Flowers, does feel like this is the next phase. And now it's coming together in a way that we really couldn't have imagined before they did the Odell contract.

It's really, like you said, the mixture of types of receivers is really interesting. And when you factor in Lamar and, you know, Lamar loves to work between the numbers. You know, he likes to work middle of the field. He likes to work down the scene. That's why, you know, Mark Andrews is so productive that offense. Zay Flowers is a guy that working out of the slot can do that. He's got that competitiveness. He has that suddenness to him.

So, yeah, you like that quite a bit. And, I mean, talk about overhauling that depth chart or receiver. Adding an Odell Beckham, you bring back Baitman healthy now. Hopefully he gives you a full season and, you know, a former first round pick. You can't make any claims that the Ravens haven't tried. tried at receiver. Right. You know, with, you know, Bateman is a first-round pick.

Here's another first-round receiver. You paid Becca Oda, Beckham, a lot of money. Yes. You bring in a Nelson Agilore to kind of round things out. So you can't fault Eric DeCosta and that staff for not at least trying. And we've got the Vikings on the clock here. Here we go. 10 minutes before making it.

With the 23rd pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select, Jordan Addison. wide receiver USC We talked about in the preview the runs on positions We had the offensive tackle run early

Obviously the quarterback Run really early Then we had a few corners No tight end run yet Which is interesting I think teams look at that As a position that's going to stretch I think the Cowboys at 26 are loving it

Yeah they got a few feeling really good And Cincinnati potentially too If they make it to 28 yeah I mean, Dallas at 26 and then Buffalo, you never know. They absolutely could take another pass catcher. Dawson Knox is their tight end one, but yeah, you work in more 12 personnel sets. So with Addison, you know, Adam Thielen obviously no longer there. You know, I think they feel good with, you know, Osborne being that second option.

But Addison gives you more flexibility. Yep. Inside outside. You know, a guy that can win at all three levels, the route running. You know, watching him, you did sometimes. get flashbacks to Stefan Diggs with the way he would run his routes. And obviously, connection there with the Vikings. Kurt Cousins, we don't know how long he's going to be there,

but this is a guy that keeps the Vikings competitive. And we always talk about with Minnesota walking that fine line of reloading without rebuilding. Forever. Exactly. I think Jordan Addis is another example of that, a guy that helps restock that wide receiver room, but is also someone's going to help you right away. compete. Yes. Exactly. He's in hit the ground running. Being in, even being in pits offense

under Mark Whipple. Right. Like that's a pro offense. So as far as terminology. And then going with really a guy that I really respect. I think a lot of us doing Lincoln Riley in his offensive system and looking good in both and looking good. Like you said, there's some outside, inside versatility. KJ. Osborne like came along a lot last year. Like even like at first I was like, man, I kind of tattled him as maybe a little quasi breakout guy. Oh, this isn't looking good. And then he came along so yay but he has that more physical side to him that size that strength Justin Jefferson of course can do that but it's also like we're not going to use him blocking what Justin Jefferson beat Justin Jefferson but why I'm saying that is Addison doesn't it's like

okay he's not going to be the dirty work guy but this is a great Z as Z receiver that you can pound and zone anytime you like he's this he's an ultimate secondary pass and that's what I love about it yeah it's last three guys that went off the board they're being dropped into these offenses where they aren't going to be asked to be the number one guy and that was I think a fair characterization of this receiver group in general, Dane. If you were looking for your number one receiver in this draft, you were probably going to be pretty disappointed. Especially when in next.

They're not in stock in this draft. The shelves are out there. Exactly. You don't have to wait on a guy like that. And that's not just surprising. The new and used on Amazon. We're looking at the used section there. I mean, true number one wide receivers, how many are there really?

There are. It's not that many. And so we have a trade up here. The Giants moving up? No. Giants on the clock run. Or no, the Giants moved up from 25 to 24. The Jags?

Yeah. Giants moved up from 25 to 24. Okay. So, interesting. That's one. After a runner receivers just happened. Yes, they're building the whole boat out of slot receivers right now. But it's also, yeah, they were a team that was looking at some of these guys.

So, I don't know. Interesting. Okay. I just, looking at Minnesota's offense and now let's see what that kind of, competitive rebuild looks like. So in 2024, for example, if they move on from cousins and if they kind of have to step into this new phase of the roster, Christian Derrissau, Brian O'Neill, Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hawkinson, Jordan Addison. It's not a bad way to start. And think about where Kevin O'Connell comes from and how they built that offense in L.A. 11 personnel, three receivers all

the time. Who are our three receivers? Let's get three real guys out there as often as possible, and I think they're trying to chase that a little bit. Absolutely. That makes sense. Yeah. I think that's a pick that was often mocked because it made sense. And, you know, it's, okay, so here the trade, what, 160 and 240s or two late round picks move up one spot. I wonder who they like what they're going for here. It was always receive a corner. The corner of the corner makes sense, right? There's so much corners on board. They have a need for corner. Maryland corner saw it there. They wanted to go with, uh, with Branch, who again, more than nickel corner, that slot corner. That's a possibility.

Cyrus? I wouldn't love it, but it was like, yeah, I don't know. If you're moving up one spot, you're doing it so the Jags don't take them, and then no one else trades up for them. So you're trying to think where the drop-off spots are. Right. You know, it's kind of tough to figure out exactly who couldn't they wait for. Who is the guy?

The other thing with the Vikings, too, I want to say, too, is they signed Josh Oliver from Baltimore. That doesn't, it's not like the sexiest signing in the world, but they paid him okay money. He's a blocker. And that unlocks Hawkinson a little bit more. What these guys do, Addison and Oliver, combined, its versatility of the offense. Totally.

Now they have more answers. Because Justice Jefferson can play in the slot. So if you want to have him in the slot, you want to have Addison outside. There's so many different things that you can do. And think about that Rams offense when they were really clicking in 2021, for example, and how often they would have Tower Higby lineup is the number one to see where to create matches for themselves. They are built that way.

They want to operate that way. And now they have the flexibility to do that. I think the Vikings' office is a chance to be playing. pretty good next year. I mean, who knows what the ceiling is and what the long-term play is with cousins and all that. But I think the 20-23 Vikings offense, if Addison hits a ground running, it's going to be fun to watch. Yeah, if they can say healthy, especially up front, it's like, I don't know, they just have a lot of pieces. Like, as you see it all come together, you're like, okay, this makes a lot more sense. Like originally, I looked at Addison on the Vikings, I'm like,

okay, but then you start breaking down the rest of the roster and how they're used. And it's like, not everyone's, like you said, there's no exes in stock. And I always want those guys. Oh, yeah, you're drafting guy on the first round. They've got to be your true number one, it's like, no, but if you already have Justin Jefferson, top receiver in the game, you need these guys, the auxiliary pieces. Now you have Hawkinson. Hockinson sometimes isn't going to have the best matchup. Okay, now we have other answers, always having answers for your offense. That's huge. You could make the argument that the passing game is the strength of the Vikings team. Offense defense. Strength and a strength.

Maybe even better. Right. You can't object to it at this point. If you have, 11 personnel, if you have four receiving options, okay, they all need to be good now. That is the world that we exist in. Think about the playoff teams from last year, what their past catching options looked like. I don't think you can overdo it. And talk about if you draft the guy in the first round, has to be your number one receiver. The Eagles drafted. No.

Devonty Smith. The Eagles drafted Devonty Smith, the 12th overall pick in the draft. And then they had to trade a first round pick to go to AJ Brown. We're in a new world now. We're in a completely new world. So I think using the 21st pick or 22nd pick on the second or third receiving option on your team, that's totally fine. because they're all starters. They all play.

That's necessary now. It's changing the, yes, it's always preferred to find the X. And like you said, there's only, what, six, seven of those in the league? Okay, we can't get those guys. All right, so what's Bill, three of them? Well, it helps with the Vikings have Jefferson. So they do actually have that guy. But it is.

It's getting to the point where you need three options. You need a big three in the passing game. It's not even a question anymore. It makes Jefferson even better. It protects him. It's, you know, you're about to. You saw what happened last year is a team's, truly, truly going, we're not letting Jefferson beat us.

He got the Randy Moss game plan. Cover two, two man, every single snap. So the Hawkinson trade was one step. I'm like, okay, this is give us one answer. And now Addson gives us another answer. A totally great deal. The Jacksonville Jaguars have traded the 24th pick to the New York Giants.

With the 24th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the New York Giants select Deonté Banks, defensive back, Maryland. It makes sense. total sense. The next guy to go. Let's look at some of the corners. The outside corners currently on the Giants roster, not named Dory Jackson, who might not be there very long anyway.

You got Cordell Flot, Nick McLeod, Aaron Robinson, who's been hurt consistently, barely played last year. I mean, absolutely wasn't neat. This is a guy with size and speed. So you're talking about a guy's over six foot, has four three speed, and he's a cover and clobber guy. So he

will press you, he can play off. He's the one guy that actually played Marvin Harrison Jr. against Ohio State with some tenacity and limited the separation. And so you love the package of skills that he brings to the field. So I think you can play him in zone. Does he need to become like a more disciplined player? Really hone in on what officers are trying to do, understand route combinations. He does. This is why he's available at the 24th pick. But if you're the Giants, this is the type of player. I think you feel great about that he fell to you at this point.

You're ruining my job as a host. I was literally going to ask you, why did he follow the 24th pick? because you had this intriguing package of tools and you're one step ahead of me here. Usually don't find, okay, what are the guys that go at the top of the draft? Usually the tooliest guys that have some good tape. He has good tape, like you said, the Marvin Harrison Jr.

That's where he stood out to me as well. And then also he had some stuff last year, but then also the traits, but also he's going to a place that loves sticky corners how aggressive are in Wink Martindale. So this is a guy that would be aggressive. Go for it, man. This is our whole philosophy on defense.

And they need... Tone setter. Yes, yes. And also just with that upside, too, and just he's going to be unlocked in that system. He's going to have some, he'll let up some big plays. Like, that's just what's going to happen, but especially how aggressive the Giants will be on defense.

And I think it's perfect for Wink, Wink Martindale. This is what they need. They need the guys like this. I feel like Leo and the meme with the, yeah, the point. Every time I see that little logo change, you know, I want to watch it.

I know I can wrap up my point when I see my co-host here, their eyes get wide and looking at the screen. I know exactly something happens. Buffalo trades in front of Dallas. Oh. Is this our first tight end off the board? Now we see the run on tight ends.

As you say, I tell you what, I think Dallas is fine with either one. Obviously, if this is a tight end, Buffalo obviously sees one that they want more than the other. These next four spots. Oh, okay, it builds with the Jags. Okay, the Jags straightened back twice. Yeah, all these next four teams could use a tight end. Like, this is kind of interesting.

Bill's gave up a fourth round pick. Wow. Giants spent most of the offseason trying to build up other areas of their defense, right? So they go get Bobby A. Karek in Free Agency. Yeah. He's not at Achaun Robinson this week. That's a really smart signing.

I was excited to see where he landed. He's the exact type of guy you can get late in free agency role player. So now you got Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams, Aishon Robinson, Kvon, Tibodeau. I mean, they've got a lot of pieces now in the front seven. I thought that last outside corner was really the thing they needed the most to make their defense, at least interesting in 2023. And I think the banks could, in the best case outcome here, be that guy. Linebackers and corner.

Well, if you're taking a lot of Sanders here maybe, but it's like, corner makes sense. The perfect slot for the type of player he is and what he can bring to the table. If it's a tight end, who do we think is the most interesting skill set that you could drop into Buffalo's offense? I mean, really, you can make a case for either guy. Mayor probably compliments Dawson Nucks better if you're looking for a true, you know, guy that's different than that. than what you already have, but can you really say, would you really disagree

if they went, Kincaid with the guy that can be the better pass catcher and create more mismatches? So, you know, this is a really interesting decision if it is a tight end. You know,

maybe they go in a different direction as well. Buffalo, we thought may be an offensive skill player, someone that helped Josh Allen, help that offense. They also need more offensive line. They also need, you know,

have other areas of need. So I'm not sure it's going to, definitely be a tight end, but if you're going to jump Dallas, tight end makes sense. And I mean, it seems like just how you laid it out right there and even just the last couple months, everyone's kind of got like, well, this makes sense for them. Well, this makes sense for it. Interior offense line, that makes sense. Oh, yeah, a tight end makes sense.

Oh, a receiver makes sense. So that's what's kind of fun here. But I, Kincaid, this is actually one of the spots I would actually like it. Cherry on top is what I've labeled. You think it's too much for a hat on hat with Dawson Knox, though? A little bit. But also just how they use Reggie Gillian last year is more than. And one guy, they went jumbo a lot last year with a big offensive alignment, a six offense

alignment in there. So, yeah, it is a little hat on the hat. And also maybe the how they've gone about this off season. It seems they're trying to find a little more physical identity. That's why I went nuts about the Damien Harris signing. But I think that if they are in that philosophy, I think this will indicate a lot. Because if they go mayor, it's like, oh, they're trying to get that bully element. But if they go Kincaid, then it's one of my favorite parts about the draft.

It's like, all right, what are the teams telling us? And I think that we're going to learn a lot about. this pick. No, that's why I'm going to talk to the lines. Going into the season, I think it was totally fair to paint Buffalo as his juggernaut. They were one of the best rosters in the league. But by the time we got to

them getting bounced from the playoffs, you really saw what they looked like in practice, and you looked at the depth charts, like, they need more pieces than we thought they did. And I think that a secondary pass catching option, another guy is absolutely part of that equation, offensive lines, part of that equation. So they were just

a team that I think our perception of them shifted as the year went along, and especially with the way that their season ended. To change that perception back, another pass catcher makes the most sense to me. They're winning games that have like a top five offense and defense.

Everybody, I think we were all in agreement, university like, just doesn't. It's by Josh Allen, my second team, all pro quarterback. Because even though they were a top five offense, it felt like he was doing so much

of the heavy lifting based on the lack of help within that offense. Right. And yeah, I think this is, they gave a fourth round pick. This is not a team that needs bodies.

They need... Difference makers. Exactly. So, you know, I think this is what this move is all about. And whether it is a mayor, whether it is a Kincaid, I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Both will help this offense right away. And it will be interesting to see which direction they want to go. Because, you know, mayor, he's not a dominant blocker, but he's at least more in that mold.

He can do it. Right, exactly. In line, you want to detach them, that's fine. Maybe we're wrong. It's not a tight hand. But that's what makes the most sense, I think. Watch it go like Darnell Washington. It's like, oh, we really see where you go.

That's really a pivot. That's really an identity shifting thing. I was thinking having the same thought. It's like if they want to send us the biggest message they could, they would go down in Washington. Oh, they're really going bully ball. I mean, but that's the joke I made. Like, can they do it in a cold rain night in Stoke? And it's like, that's what I think they're trying to answer it.

The Jacksonville Jaguars have traded the 25th pick to the Buffalo Bills with the 25th pick in the 2023 NFL draft. The Buffalo Bill select Dalton Kincaid. Tight end, Utah. There it is. Wow. That's fun. I love it. That's fun.

I love it. One of the teams I'm actually like, yeah. Please show, where's Josh Allen? Show his reaction. You know, I want to see how happy he is right now. Pepper him. Again, you could make the argument that this is the best pass catcher in the draft. I'm a position.

Yeah. The best pass catcher. I'm with you too. His ability to. get open to be a ball winner, catch the ball comfortably away from his frame, the hand-eye coordination, put it away and then do something after the catch.

He is really loose for a big man. Yes. So in his routes, you know, again, throw on the USC tape. 16 targets, 16 catches, dominant in that game. USC had no answer. And how quickly he goes from pass catcher to runner is so efficient, so natural that it's, it really might be what he does best.

And he does a lot of things really, really well. So love the fit here. We thought Buffalo coming out of the first round with some type of weapon made a ton of sense. And they do that. I don't know that they thought Kincaid would make it this far. Yeah. This is of the teams because that's like I appreciate Kincaid the player. And we were talking to the side ends.

It was like some teams I wouldn't like him with though. It's like that. But this is perfect for him. And they needed a slot guy too. And this is it. He doesn't have to come off the field. How the bills play off. How they prefer to play offense, even though I just talked about how they might go bully ball, is I think they want that answer.

But how they prefer to play offense is spread it out. Let's get as spread out as possible. Let Josh Allen go to work. And if it doesn't work, let him run. And this is great for them. Let's be clear about something. This isn't like Mike Gisicki type of blocking. No, no, no.

Like he's a better blocker than that. He will get involved. He will be smart. He's got good technique. He tries. He is competitive, but he's limited. But this isn't just a guy that's a little. allergic to blocking.

No, it's not. That's important to point out. It is because he could have, I mean, this might be the best comparison because he's a better receiver, but like Dalton Schultz ended up being like a fine shield blocker. He had, he could do that. His eyes are great in the blocking game and a run game. His technique is good. It's just sometimes he's just overwhelmed because he's 2.40-ish and, you know, not the longest

guy. So, but man, but just like you said, you're talking about those loose hips yards after the catch, they've needed that element. They were trying to get, you know, pepper Isaiah McCannery. He's a solid receiver. He is. He had 35 catches out of the slot last year. It was the most among any tight end in FBS.

If you play more 12 personnel and you just make him your slot receiver, he might be the best slot option in this entire draft outside of JSA. You do what the Chiefs do. We don't need a third receiver. We just go 12. And I think that makes perfect sense. Them and the Chargers, my feeling when I watched them on offense at the end of last year, is I couldn't articulate exactly what it was, but I needed more.

I just need more. And so we talked about the Chargers. Just drop one more difference maker into the offense. I feel the same way about. Buffalo and this is the exact type of guy who could be because they made it feel hard. Yes. It was like even when they were putting up 30 points, it was like, man, that was a hard 30 points. You just had like, because there's drives where they go three and out, three and out, three

and out. It's like, what is missing? Or the guy gets tackled right away or it's a drop by Isaiah McKenzie. Yeah, and you think about Buffalo Slotman, they brought back Cole Beasley. Yes, exactly. They're searching for something. Yep. And I don't think it'll take long for Kincaid, Josh Allen, get on the same page, developed

that repertoire. Man, that's fun. Yeah. And also I'm just thinking of this is because they use so much RPO's and everything, sometimes those tight, this is why Dustin Knox has been able to be their Y tight end, even if he's not that, is because they don't ask him to, like, down block it be that heavy Y. So let's just not have him block, but it's RPO it. It's just get him out on the route, and he can get north.

He can create yards after the catch with the ball on his hands. I love this. And also just, sorry, just real quick, that former basketball background you see with him because he high points so many throws. He goes and gets him. is going to give him chances. He's going to be a red zone monster and he's going to like he's going to target the hell out of them. His ability to isolate is in frame the catch. It's really impressive. Natural pass catcher. We were talking about the tight ends. I think you said if he was

available at 26 when the Cowboys were picking, they'd be interested in Michael Mayer. You still feel that way? I think that they wanted Kincaid. I think they were taking Kincaid. But with Mayor on the board now and Kincaid off the board, that makes the most sense. I think they they love Mayor. they, because ideally they do want someone that is more of a blocker in that role. This is not a franchise that drafts tight ends early. I get to go back to the 90s, the last time they drafted a tight end. Or how was Jason Witten drafted a third? So it's been a while.

But at this point in the draft, I think he is their best option because Jerry wants to put points on the board. Yeah. Jerry's not getting any younger. Jerry wants another championship. Michael Mayer helps them do that. He is going to replace Dalton Shult. give you an upgrade over, no offense, Jake Ferguson. He's not taking it.

He's a guy that's going to help the run game, but also help the past game. And the red zone. I mean, that's something that, you know, Dak Prescott, once you get down there, you don't have, no more of just handing Zeke the ball and trying to pound it in. You know, you're working with Pollard. You're working with, you know, receivers. And then if you do add Michael Mayer in here, I think that really helps you in the red zone when you close that goal line.

Absolutely. And like, an early comparison people had for mayor was Jason Whitten. Kind of kind of of does it all why. Like, he might not be the most explosive guy, but reliable hands, strong hands. The thing about Jason Witten, he was like 265, like moving like that. And that's a little different there. But just a balanced tight end, a three-down tight end. He's a three-down Y.

And they do need that. I do love Ferguson, you're right? But he's not really that. Like, he's more of an F-type that can go in there. But that, I don't know. It would make sense to me, just another reliable pass catcher. They have CD. Brandon Cooks is now the vertical guy. They have Gallup as well. It's, you know, interesting mix of guys. David Lafleur, 1997. David LaFleur. LSU. LSU. Yeah. Oh, last time they drafted. Kent is a Cowboys fan, our Purdue.

All right. We get me here. Our producer, Ken, coming from the back room. Clearly, he's excited about what I was happy about this pick. It's funny you mentioned Jason Witten, because when I was watching Michael Mayer, and you look at the testing and just says, he's not overwhelming in any way physically. It's hard to articulate why he's as, good of a receiver as he is. Jason Witt might be the best historical example of that ever. Just strong. The ball goes there and he is catching it and popping the ball as it comes there. I love also you're talking about the red zone stuff and that's where I think mayor would be so good at because he has that feel for space. He's good in contested catches and tight spaces. He's strong-handed. I mean, it hasn't happened yet, but I really like that fit for him and also for the team. Yes. I mean, one of the better contested catch, tight ends.

I've ever evaluated. I mean, it doesn't matter what the traffic is, the crowd around him. He does a really nice job, catching the ball away from his frame, strong hands, putting it away. Yeah, there's just a lot you can do with Michael Mayer. I would have been interesting to see if Kincaid and Mayor were both on the board, kind of just like the bill situation. Yeah, what you take? Yeah.

Which identity do you see? Which player do you prioritize there? But obviously, Kincaid off the board here? does that make their decision for them? Right. Or do they go in a different direction here? I think if you drop Michael Mayer to that offense and the scope of the player they already have

in the offensive line the way that it is, it's hard not to get excited about that, man. Oh, God. I know, like, one, we drop on one more running back with Pollard, and it's like, whoo. In the 2023 NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Mazzie Smith. Oh!

And as we talk about Michael Mayer for five minutes, the Cowboys go with Mazzie Smith. Okay. Okay. They passed on Michael Mayer. That is surprising. Well, we talked about what the Cowboys needed when we were doing our draft heater show what that would ultimately look like. A run-stopping kind of like space-eating defensive tackle was absolutely on that list. They needed that based on the construction of their offense. That's the thing. They do not draft nose tackles. They don't see the value in drafting nose tackles in the first round.

And so this is different than what the Cowboys usually do, which speaks to how desperate I think they felt like they were on that defensive line. They signed or traded for Jonathan Hankins last year and like I think they saw the light. They're like, oh, because they have so many, I wouldn't say undersized, but not the biggest, they're not the biggest defense. You know, wait, Vanner is a gigantic and linebacker, but they're, it's speed, speed, speed, speed, that's their whole defense, speed, speed, speed, but they need, they realize, I think, with Van der Resh and Jonathan Hankins, they're like, oh, man, this actually kind of is nice. They kind of plug it and they let the other guys kind of clear it all up.

So why not get a young guy that has some upside there? This is because my exposure to him was I was watching Ohio State's offense. And then this guy was popping though. I was like, he's bursting around. And I look up, he has half a sack. You know, he is a nose. But it does have some three tech versatility, I think, because he is explosive and athletic, has that athletic ability.

But I think this is a interesting, it makes sense, actually. It's more of a super role player, but it makes sense for the build of the Cowboys defense. In the grander scheme of the defense, absolutely it does. I mean, I think it's really kind of the last piece that you need after trading for Stefan Gilmore to have everything come together. But again, he's pretty rich for a player with his skill set table. Right. He's a two-gapper. He's a guy that can take on doubles. He does have more, he has traits to be more than that if you want him to be.

So he can be interchangeable. You want to play the one technique. You want him to play more of the three. He can do that. But this is a player that had a grand total of half sack his entire career. Six tackles for a loss, his entire career. Now, obviously, what he was asked to do in that Michigan defense was, you know, play over the center and just create those pile-ups. But that's why, you know, Mazi Smith is really good at what he does. And I would have been very surprised if he did not go tonight. Too many teams need that.

Yes. Especially, you know, coming up here with Cincinnati, the Saints. I mean, too many teams could use a player like Mazzie Smith, including the Cowboys. I just didn't think they would do it because they don't usually draft this type of player in the first round. But I think it speaks to, you know, you mentioned Jonathan Hankins and, you know, they brought him back. But look at the deal they brought him back in. Right. That tells you everything.

31, 32 with an injury history. Yeah. It's like a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. It's a veteran minimum. Exactly. It's not a long time. So when you say they brought back Jonathan Hankins, you know, you have to kind of explain

that a little. But again, we're at the end of the first round where you're wiped out of your first round grades and you're looking at your second round grades. I'm not surprised Mazzie Smith to pick. I am a little surprised it's over Michael Mayer at this point. You know, I think it speaks to the tight end. depth of this draft. I know, you know, the Cowboys really like Sam Leporta. Maybe they're looking at him in the second round, you know. Like, they love that type of tie-air. Exactly. Right. So there's a,

you could find a San Leport in the second round. You can't find a Mazie Smith in the second round. Right. So, you know, I think this, it's a little bit away from what they usually do, but I think it's a good pick. Yeah. And that's the thing, he's a nose, but he's, he's athletic. He was number one of Bruce Edmund's Freaklist. Yeah. The sums up right there. And that is, it's, so even though he's that different role. He's the plugger and everything. He's still athletic in speed. So you're not like going against type here.

You're not just also bringing in VA, you know, or bringing in Danny Shelton. You know, like something like that. This guy has a little bit more to him with that versatility. And I'm glad you guys brought up with Hankins coming back and everything. It's like, this is perfect. Because now you get the next guy coming up for there to eat those. You still have a Diggie Zua there.

Yeah. Yes. But they don't. That's not. There's not much else. No. No. There's not much else.

It's absolutely the thinest part of their defense. Neville Gallo. Has it quite been the guy that thought they were doing when they drafted him a couple years ago. That's what's funny because all the other pieces on defense is like, oh, okay, that makes it. The Gilmore trade happened. It's like, okay, this all makes sense. And they bring back Donovan Wilson. They bring back Leighton Van der Eschman.

They have a lot of pieces all back and forth. You bring up San Laporta being available in the second round. Now that Kincaid's off the board, I kind of would love to see San Leporto go to Cincinnati with this pick. I know it would be a little bit rich, but that's, I wonder if they prefer Loporta skill set over Michael Mann. Interesting. Oh, man. I think may be perfect for them. Or maybe the Jags are here with a tight end.

That big, absolutely. Don't rely on the Saints, too. All of these teams, when we did a show about the heaters that some of these contenders would have to go on to put themselves over the top. Going back, going through that list, pretty much every single team picking in the 20s, it's like, I can probably use a tight end. Every single team. And then Buffalo did it.

And then now we have other teams. Could they be the ones? Like, you know what? We could use a third receiving option. And this is the type of guy that we can use. And again, especially with the receiver. draft and all the receivers just the bottom fell out there so now everyone's going oh okay we're into the next tier of those receivers but especially if this is what the jags do it would make

sense you know Evan ingram had a fantastic year but he's you only can ask him to do certain things and that's some of his limitations so like I don't know just get another guy that can balance out now you have Calvin Ridley working on the outside Christian Kirk working from the slot when he need to it's like I don't know a mayor type would be amazing for them but I don't know if they do go down that path they could be a corner as well potentially I know they I've really Brian Branch here. Branch, yeah.

It would be a great fit with what they have and what they need and what he could bring. That makes sense. I think it makes total sense because last year they really kind of

unlocked that defense when they moved Darius way was back outside and Trey Hernden was playing in the slot. They pre-signed Trayhunter but it's not a big deal. I mean,

this is somebody that if you drafted a guy in the first round, you wouldn't mind. To get someone pedigree there. Yeah. You can upgrade. Yeah.

Yeah. I think actually really like that a lot. I know. Can he play safety a little bit. I mean, That's one I think makes a lot of sense for them. Branche is a fun player, man. He really is.

And it would be a lot of fun if they went with him. Because he's a guy that's like, now that role used to be like, oh, that's a niche role. He's only a slot guy. It's like, now it's like, that guy's on the field every step. So yeah, yeah, that's, might as well, let's get him. One of the smarter defensive players in this draft. And is he undersized? Yeah, he's 190 pounds.

Did he run great? No, ran a 4-5-8. And, you know, he doesn't have those elite size speed measurables. But, man, how do you not? How do you watch his statement and not love him? I compare him with Jimmy Ward, which makes a ton of sense because I love Jimmy Ward. Look out up front. With the 27th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguar select Anton Harrison.

Tackle, Oklahoma. This means more sense with the recent news. Yes. We know that Cam Robinson is suspended. Do we know how long Cam Robinson is suspended? Six. Is it six games? I think it was six.

Yeah. But I could be wrong. But that's just usually with the people. PDDs. Right. Yeah. This is Anton Harrison. I mean this is another projection pick.

You're betting on the upside here. And also I think has both side versatility at tackle. And this one, this is, I'm way more comfortable Harrison getting selected here than 10 picks earlier or 12 picks earlier after that first run of tackles. This just makes a lot more sense for what he is, where he is now, and what he can be. But I like him. I really do. I like the upside with him.

I think he has a true athletic ability. do stuff like cutoffs and movement stuff. And yeah, you're just betting on that he has to keep growing into the role. He's one of the youngest players in this draft. He just turned 21 years old. And so he's still learning. Really, it's tough with that offense, that Oklahoma offense, all the RPO's and all the, just the way, what they ask of their tackles, it makes it a difficult evaluation.

But when you just focus on his movement patterns, you know, you can see how that's going to translate. And when you ask him to play on the outside on the edge against, NFL athletes, you feel like he can do it. You can match. He can mirror. He can answer whatever defenders. Light on his feet.

Like, that's my best compliment. He's really light on his feet. And it's not just he has light feet, but light on his feet. And it's a great distinction because his whole body moves well. Yes. So, and, you know, this is a, you know, they have Walker Little at right tackle. Cam Robinson, you know, obviously it's going through something. Right.

It's a short-term thing. Yeah. Well, he's spent it for this year, but he has almost no guaranteed money left of his deal after this cop. three-year contract. So they can move on from him after this year if they like Walker a little. So you can get a short-term stopgap. Yeah. But it's, I was, I was interested. So I looked up the contract. It was like, how long have they actually committed to Cam Robinson? It isn't beyond this season if they don't want it to be. Interesting. Yeah. No, it is. I really like this

for, like, for the Jaguars. Like this, I loved them to inject more for the offensive line. This is what I kind of was like hoping they would do last year. Like, I was like, well, offensive line, the first round, tied in the second round, or receiver in the second round, they got there in just their own balky way. But I like this. I thought help out your star. Help out your Trevor Lawrence. Like just why not?

Let's build up the offense alliance. That's never a weakness. You know, we know they're going to go traits. Anton Harrison has some really intriguing traits. What's his arm one thing? He's 34. He was 34 and quarter. Okay, yeah.

All right, we're going to take one more quick break here. We will be right back. All right, while we were away, the Cincinnati Bengals take Miles Murphy, defensive end from Clemson. You said something when we were doing the show with Deonté talking about the edge rushers. He's from central casting. Like when you're thinking about a defensive end, Miles Murphy was a former five-star recruit.

That's the type of guy that you imagine, Dan, that's the type of guy that Bengals are dropping into their defense here. 6-5-270 runs really well. Knowing that, you wish the tape was a little better. Yeah. In terms of production, in terms of getting that pressure on the quarterback. But if you're going to bet on the flashes, bet on the traits that he does have,

Miles Murphy is a first-round pick all day. Yeah. So, you know, I think that you probably great. him as a second round pick, but you have no problem taking him here. And with, you look at the Bengals, you know, I don't think edge rusher stands out as necessarily the top need on the, on the, on the team. But this is a good chance to get better at a young player who doesn't need to be the guy from day one, bring him along.

And, you know, he's ready to take over as a starter, maybe sometime this year, maybe sometime next year. 270, drop him as an interior rusher if you want to get those guys and feel at the same time. They just need more pass rushing just period. That was the one area of defense. There too as well. being more kind of middle-aged on defense. And that's what we talked about, I believe, in the He-Chic episode,

was because now the offense has been so cheap for these last couple of years, it's about to get really expensive. And they've kind of, they've bangled up the defense with all these free agent signings. Now I think they're going to flip the math a little bit. Let's go younger on the defense as the offense gets more expensive. But yeah, typecast in classic 4-3D. That's what he is. First defensive end, bangles have drafted in the first round since, Justin Smith.

Wow. Deer to my heart, Justin Smith. the man with an Anheuser-Busch tattoo. He was exactly what you want from this stage. I was going to hear of David Pollock, but he was... He was quite edge. Yeah, edge. Exactly.

All right, joining us now, your good buddy from Prospects to Pros, the pros, one of our college football stars at the athletic. It is Andy Staples. Are we doing, gentlemen? Doing very well, sir. How are you doing? Oh, it's been a wonderful night here at Draft Headquarters. I have more seats in my house than Michael Mary.

who has four, precisely four, and then everybody else is just standing up. So I'm telling you, Peter Scronsky had had the best idea. He's in a bar. He's got the purple hat with a question mark on it. I mean, he was prepared for anything. Dalton Kincaid, probably second place, having all the hats just at his house. But, you know, I just feel bad for Will Levis. This is one of those things where you've got to go to the Boulevard Beer Hall or something

at this point. Biggest surprise of the night for you is the Levis has fallen this far? Carter going to the Eagles, I think. Jalen Carter going to a place where the rich get richer. That's just, you know, we talked on prospects of pros about

maybe they get Bijan, some sort of luxury item, but you can never have too many good interior defensive linemen, and that is just a ridiculous wealth of talent they're going to have there. Somebody who got drafted a little bit higher than you might have thought,

outside of fit. There's somebody that like, man, I cannot believe that this was this rich. Anybody stand out to you? Jack Campbell, I think. And I understand why they did it. It's interesting. It's, they got Malcolm Rodriguez for a song last year. You know, he should have been drafted much higher than he was.

And Jack Campbell, similar kind of production in college, but much more elite traits. But you feel like they've got a bunch of picks still. You felt like they could have gotten him. a little later. Now as we kind of get toward the end of the first round, heading into the second round, outside of Levis, anybody that you're excited to see where they land, somebody that kind defines day two for you potentially. You know, well, we haven't, we got a few more picks left, but I'm interested in mayor right

now. Like, where's he going to land? Because that's a very complete tight end. And, you know, maybe he winds up with one of these teams that still got a pick left. but that surprises me that he's this low, you know, been around this long. And then, you know, well, the tight ends in general fascinate me. Like, where does Sam LaPortego on day two from Iowa? He's one of my favorites.

He's just off and stunk. Everybody knew they were going to go to him and force feed him, and he still put up numbers. So I'd like to see where he winds up because I think he's going to make somebody really happy. What do you think about Richardson going to Indianapolis? I'm surprised because it's one of those that I felt like they, if they were going to pick a quarterback that high, it's somebody they're going to expect to start right away. For Anthony Richardson's sake, for the Colts' sake, I think they should, you know, Gardner Menchew started off and then work Anthony Richardson in.

But Shane Steichen, you know, you saw what he did with Jalen Hertz. I'm thinking to Jalen Hertz 13 games into his career as a college. starter. I would have never predicted what I saw in the Super Bowl. So if Shane Steichen can do that with Anthony Richardson, then they're in really good shape. It's just, it's hard to say because you didn't see the production. And I've always been of the mind that if you're going to be drafted that high in the NFL as a quarterback, you've got to drag your college offense to some success. And they really didn't. Andy, really appreciate the time, my friend. We will talk to you very soon. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Andy.

The Saints pick is in. Brian Bressay. Brian Berset? Brazzi? I want to add a little bit more flair to it than it might deserve. Brian Bressie going to New Orleans. This is a team that absolutely need a defensive line help after the kind of exodus and free agency.

Somebody like Miles Murphy, huge recruiting pedigree, some questions about his production at Clemson. What do you think about the fit here? Yeah, he was the number one high school recruit three years ago. Goes to Clemson, and right away you saw it. as a true freshman, then his sophomore year has the ACL. This past year is just one thing after the other with injuries, and then the tragic passing of his younger sister.

So there's a lot of things that contributed to maybe the production not lining up or the tape not being consistent. This is a really good player who, does you play high at times? Yeah, and that does worry me a little bit because when you play high, it's harder for you to win when you don't have that leverage. but he has quickness, he has power. You know, throw on the North Carolina Tade, throw on. There's plenty of examples of him winning one-on-one,

but also stacking, winning the edge, winning inside. He's still a very young player. And, I mean, Robert, you said it. This is exactly what the Saints needed. I didn't think Mazi Smith was going to get past 29. Brzee's the next guy. This is someone that they can drop in there from day one is going to help their run defense.

Kelen Saunders, Nathan Shepard. Malcolm Roach, I mean, they needed another body here and they needed a high-end body here. They're in Exodus this off-season of all those defense-in-law. I've been signing a free agency. And this is a, you don't see many 300-pound defensive tackles running a 4-8-5. Like, you understand why this guy was a huge recruit. And you see, and my exposure to him is this season, and I had heard all about the pedigree and what he's shown early in his career.

It was all flashes. And you see it. Like, you can just see it. It's like he just has to harness those things. And some of the clenstom, what they do, you can defunders. some of the stats and everything because they rotate guys and they have players and everything. And like you said, he was banged up. But he has flashes there like, oh, okay. Like, especially when we're this part of the round, that's, or part of the first round, this is what you're going for.

Let's go over the guy that has that upside. If we tap into stays healthy and everything, there's more to them than when he's shown this last year. That's why when you watch tape, it's so important to have context about what's going on away from just what you're viewing on the screen. In September, he had this nasty, or he had nasty strep throat. that led to this kidney disease, he gained 45 pounds. And he's mostly water weight. He lost it pretty quickly, but still, he was at the hospital. Like, there's all these factors that contribute, and obviously you hope he stays healthy. Now that he's in the NFL, and if he is, I think we see the real Brazzi, who has a chance to not only be disruptive, but be a really solid run defender in the middle.

The target the Saints are trying to hit, signing Derrick Carr and competing right away in that very down at FC South, part of that equation relies on their defense continuing to be very, very good. And this, I think, is the one spot on that defense where you think, all right, this is going to be a top five unit. This is what they need to sure up. And hopefully, Brazil is that for that. I mean, you look at the defensive line. And what they lost, what, on Yamada, they lost. Chitle.

Marcus Davenport on the edge. So, and, I mean, you look at some of the numbers with their pressure rate. They're at 26. I mean, their rush efficiency on defense was. bottom half of the league. So they needed to get better up front, especially on the interior. You're running out of defensive tackles. Defense of tackles is not a position that stretches this year. So that's why I thought there was a great chance Mazzie Smith was going to go. He's off the board. Now Brisee's off the board. Running out of defense of tackles and a lot of teams still need them.

Yeah, especially in this part of the draft. That's where there's some other guys are like, some teams are going to take these guys. Because like you said, there was a drop off. Even, I mean, you just saw it like when you watched his film, especially at Clans, And it does translate to what the Saints do as well, being more four down, being straight up the field and all those types of things. And being a bigger body. There's no undersizedness with this body right here. No guys lacking on that Saints defensive line. Never have been. Yeah. And that's kind of what he brings to the table. That's what he's going to be able to do day one. Can I reset and do my best available?

Let's do it. Yeah. So Nolan Smith, Edd Rush for Georgia, Will Levis, Kentucky quarterback. Joey Porter Jr., Penn State still out there. Brian Branch, Alabama, Nickel, the safety. Drew Sanders, Arkansas linebacker, Luke Musgrave, Oregon State, tight end, Darnell Washington, Georgia tight end, Jalen Hyatt, the Tennessee wide receiver, and then BGI, Jolari, LSU, Edge Rusher.

So, I mean, most of my, my top 35 guys, most of them are off the board at this point, but there's a few that, you know, Nolan Smith, I'm surprised, is still out there. We talked about, I mean, the Eagles, they seem to be collecting Georgia defenders. Right. A lot of people thought Nolan Smith could go 10.

Yeah. Could they do it here at 30? I also, you know, Northwestern, Adirut, the defensive tab, but they went jailing Carter earlier. So I doubt they double up here. So is this could be, this be Nolan Carter or Nolan Smith. It seems like that would be a slam dunk if they, if I'm graded here. I mean, Nolan Smith, he fits that scheme. He fits what, you know, you think about the edge rushers they've had there and the success they've had there.

Smith fits in that mix. Yeah. So, yeah, I think he'd be a. great fit. And just the versatility like you said he brings. That's what's fun about him. If they want to be more aggressive, you can drop him. That's really nice. It's not like a loss or he's just like, oh, just hold on to your hat. It's like, no, he actually is decent at it. Who's your best corner available? Jimmy Porter Jr. I was thinking about that as well. Yeah. We just corner makes sense. That would be like the one if I were to pick one like that. Maybe as a transition plan going on

from what they have right now with Bradbury. We did talk about in the preview, you know, who was one guy that could fall or go later than we thought. And now. I mentioned Porter Jr. because, again, he's a specific type of corner that if, you know, you want more versatility out of your guys, he's not really it. So that I can understand why maybe not everyone's as high on Joey Porter Jr. as many on the outside thing. It would be such an Eagles move to have 70 sacks last year. You lose your Fond Hargrave and Free Agency.

And you come away from the first round with Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith. Yeah. Some guys had in the top 10, both of them right there. If Nolan Smith went 10, I don't, no one would have batted in a eye. No one would have been like, you know, I'm shocked that happened. Maybe he thought it was a little early, but no one would have been shocked, you know, so it's interesting. Such easy tape to like. That's why I said.

It was one of my favorite guys to watch. What did you just look up? Avanti Maddox's contract. It is crazy how much we were on the same way. Yeah. Because in my mind, I'm like, man, Brian Branch in the slot. And I love Avanti Max. But they have Avonte Maddox in the slot.

Does that make a lot of sense? I wonder how long they're committed to Avanti Maddox. The fact that you just looked that up is that was rolling through my mind. I couldn't remember if this was his last year or they had two years. He has two years left on his deal. I mean, it's very team-friendly deal, but he's a great slot corner or slot player, but he gets hurt all the time. And that's, they help it safety as well. And that's, they help it safe. The flexibility.

I mean, I think that there's, it would make sense, even if you think you do have a pure slot. Exactly. That was my thought as well. Yeah, like, Branch actually makes a lot more sense as I thought through this. Read Blankenship. Yeah. Safety is a neat. I mean, where we think about them kind of building on these strengths and kind of luxury picks to a degree, safety is still a neat for them.

So, if they see Brian. branches that guy that like C.J. Garner Johnson could give them that flexibility. He would play his Johnson. He would play with Johnson. It really does make a lot of sense if they went that. And then they go away from Avanti, boom, now you got your slot. Yeah, no, that would make a lot sense. I can't believe you're looking up at Vonté Max. I can't remember for last year. It's exactly what I was thinking of that. Make the Super Bowl last year. Their pick tech second overall. Joining me on stage now are some very special guests. This is a fun out.

Content creators who you know from YouTube. Dude Perfect. And Jason and Travis' mom, Donna Kelsey. A natural parent. Playing in a game on TV at the same time. Okay, Travis is there, Jason's there. How in the world do you decide which game that you're gonna watch? Man, I don't know. That's really tough. I don't know. It's just tough to choose. We had a feeling that would be the case. So we cooked up something a little bit special for you to help you break the tie.

There's the deal. We've got a custom coin. I don't think we close right. Let's talk more about Brian Branch. Football personalities do good perfect, apparently. This is apparently what we need for three and a half hours. Don't we do this in the third round, fourth round? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're doing like a bit. Yeah, they're doing bits in the first round of the draft here. They're just like magicians up there. They look like the property brothers. We're in pick 30. I can say these things. After the Eagles pick, we have one pick left. Do we see a trade up?

Do we see another quarterback drafting? Do we see the Teddy Bridgewater trade? The Lomar trade? Here we go. 30th pick in the 2003 NFL draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select Nolan Smith, linebacker, Georgia.

So you went all Northwestern first round. You actually met all Georgia first round. Same teams. Very easily confusable. Exactly. Wow. I mean, you love it. Again,

I think Nolan Smith could have easily went number 10, and that would have not been a shock. I see. Two hundred forty pounds, a little undersized. Is he a Sam? Is he an edge? What is he? Think about the pass rush packages. Just imagine what they will look like on third down.

Well, now they got four Georgia defenders. Even if you're worried about his role and what he can be, like, play him ten snaps a game this year. It's insane. I mean, Hassan Reddick, Brandon Graham. I mean, Don Smith is kind of in that mold. He's that type of rusher where you want him to put his hand on the ground, he can do it. You want him to play on his feet, he can do that. You want him to rush over the A-gaps?

Let him do that. And he's a really good run defender. So I'm not worried, even though he is 240 pounds, I'm not worried about him setting an edge and playing on the outside. Some things he does best. Yeah, exactly. This isn't like your typical undersized rusher who is going to give you speed, but then you worry about him holding up against the run. He's different than that. And that's why I'm surprised he lasted to this pick.

If I'm the Eagles, this is amazing. I'm feeling great about what I did here, adding Jalen Carter. And just draft all Georgia defenders, I guess. It's a strategy. It's not a bad strategy. It's like me in the NBA, just draft Kentucky guys. It'll work out. Yeah, but I compared him to Bruce Urban in the sense that it's like he can kind of do everything really well.

Even if he doesn't have that jumbo size, he's tough as all guys. This again, I'll bring him a 20 time with him. He doesn't wear gloves. And that speaks to his play style. He's super tough. And usually when a guy is super tough like that, it's because they have to be. Oh, yeah, he just goes out and runs a 4-4 or 439 flat.

4-39, yeah. Yeah, just athletic gifts. And I really liked just how fluid he was in coverage. Just kind of a Swiss Army knife out there. So however they want to use them, it makes sense because he does it all well. And when we did our edge show, I was like, yeah, I only had like 5% start,

but I had like 80% starter potential. It's like, this guy's going to play a lot of snaps and be very useful. It doesn't have to be your ace, but it's perfect for what they have and what he is and what brings up a table. That's why I was very high on Nolan Smith, and I had no problem.

He was my 12th overall player, and I had no problem putting him up there because I feel really good with what he's going to give me. And I think he's going to be a starter for a long time in this league. He's going to be consistently productive. He might never make a pro bowl,

but I think that in this draft, specifically, the number of guys that are going to make a ton of pro bowls, there's not a long list. It's a useful draft. It is. It really is. It's not the Stargrap.

And with Nolan Smith, I know what I'm getting. And there was not a bigger advocate of Jalen Carter than Nolan Smith. Okay. Just would not stop talking about and praising Jalen Carter as a person. And it was one of his brothers. And now they're teammates again. And, you know, it's kind of big brother looking out for a little brother. And Jordan Davis, Nicoby Dean.

It's really cool to see. It's a really cool setup they have with the structure of that defense. and we know the Eagles defensive line. It's rarely a need, but they always address it early. So it's a home run pick. Brandon Graham is probably in his last year there. I mean, they've got succession plans kind of all up and down their roster. And I think that this absolutely plays into that.

But again, just the body that they can trot out some of these packages and what he's going to be asked to do. He said he could be a starter for a long time. He didn't need to be right now. I mean, this is something you can just drop in. And it is one hell of an athletic specimen to just drop into what you guys going on defense. They have to face Michael Parsons twice a year.

Heck, try to try it. See how it works. Using them like that. Where you're just going to be creative and force the quarterback know where Nolan Smith is at all times. So, you know, if it's rushing up the middle, if you're going to drop them in space,

you're going to rush them off the edge. You can be really creative with the pressure packages and overloading and the misdirection. So, yeah, he gives you options of versatility. Yeah. Like him and Hassan Redick. have them twisted and knifing and just heat. He brings heat.

And when you're talking about past rushers and just having different flavors there is really nice. It's like because sometimes the offensive line's got you. But then it's like, okay, well, we got this guy. Well, go look with that. Your right tackle can't get out of his stance. Like imagine him against Caleb McGarry. Yeah. Like that poor Caleb, like he's not going to be able to get out of his stance and Nolan Smith will be off field.

And the thing with Nolan, one of the things I worry about with him is he wants to attack, attack, attack. He doesn't use enough finesse and like he just wants to rush down the middle the entire time. And I talk a lot with David Pollock about this because Pollock has been kind of mentoring Nolan Smith. He just wants to go, go, go and instead of setting up the rush. Take a breath. But he's a son of redick will be able to help him. Right. That's a ton of guys.

Yeah. He'll be able to help him. Talking about the room you dropped into with a veteran presence is in that room and you can't imagine a better situation for him. Right. Here's the chief celebration starting. This is it. We started with Patrick Mahomes, bringing out the Lombardi Trophy. We're going to end with the Chiefs.

I mean, if they got a trade offer, I mean, you have to turn it down, right? I mean, you have to. So there you got a celebrate. Pick is in. Pick is in. It's a celebration. Let's cap it off. It kind of always feels like the draft is like the end of the league year, really.

It's like, okay, now we, all right, now we got the team set. And here we go to the 2023 race. Like that kind of how it feels. And this really feels like that. This is the capper. It's nice that they have the last pick. The draft is here. They get to kind of enjoy their moment.

I mean, it's cool. I mean, I think the idea of moving the draft around and kind of giving each of these cities, their chance to shine on an NFL stage is very, very cool. Yeah. I don't know if fans will travel. Oh, okay. Yeah, I see 300,000. I mean, we went to lunch and there's nothing but jerseys.

That's great. Oh, my flight from Vegas. Random jerseys, too. It's not just, you know, one team or another. It's team. I saw a bunch of Rams fans. Rams don't pick. I got the range once tonight.

You don't pick until tomorrow. So, I mean, you can't underestimate the fandom in this league. And also just, you know, the Super Bowl goes to warm weather cities. Like that's how it's always going to go. And so this is a way to have what those cold weather cities, you know, from one, that it's like, what's reward them, let them have a big event. And Detroit next year. Yeah, Detroit's next year. And it's been Chicago.

It's been all these places. And what's really cool is like this is the fan event. The Super Bowl feels more, it's different. It's more of the spectacle and it's more the corporate event. This is truly the fan event. That's what's so cool about it. Jaylon Hyatt's still out there. I mean, it would be fun dropping that receiver into this offense.

I mean, really, I mean, the Chiefs aren't a team where the rookie receivers really make an impact right away. But I understand he's kind of repetitive with Vettos scantling, but Hyatt's still be fun player in that offense. I'm sure. I call my shot from a few months ago from a random show. we did Super Bowl week, I think. It's like Keanu Benton and Chris Jones. It was like, I love that pairing. It's like that would be amazing too.

Defense of tackle. They don't stretch. He's the next one. If you want one, yeah. Yeah, I know. A lot of positions make sense for them. They're sitting there's when you nail a draft like they nailed last year. That's especially on defense.

It's like, oh, well, okay, we can just drop whoever we want to drop. You probably use another edge rusher somewhere along the way. Yeah, yeah. Keon-way is the one, I think. Because when you, when you're talking about Spagnola and the past rushers, he, he wants big, fast, physical. And so, you know, like Will McDonald, not really a fit, what they do,

Nolan Smith, probably not a fit what they do. But, you know, a guy like Keon White, he fits what they do. He's a better version of, like, you know, the Ole Miss guy that took a couple years ago on the second round, Breedlin speaks. Yeah, you know, he's a better version of that where he's bigger, he's faster, and I think he's a more complete player.

But he fits exactly the scheme that the chiefs, what they run with Spagnola wants. You know, Frank Clark's no longer there. They have a whole lead eddrusher. And so Keon White would be one guy definitely to keep at the top of the list. Yeah. You know, they're betting on the ascension a little bit of Karl Wafdis, but also Carl Waftis just such a certain type of player.

Yeah. He really is. So it's like, yeah, just even a little more juice, like you said. And Adduke Uzama, he was a Kansas City native. That would be a lot of fun right here. Oh, he's, yeah. Oh, he does is rush the pass. That's what he is.

And we also talked about. Matthew Bergeron potentially dropping back out for the first round. You could make an argument that they need another tackle. It really is. I think Lucas Nying at right tackle right now. Are you betting on Lucas Nying as being, they hope he is. They'd be great if it works out that way, but he's an

unproven asset right now. Bergeron, this actually be a great landing spot for him, especially with Andy Hack and everything. Yeah. In another position where offensive tackle, it drops off. He's kind of the last of that. Maybe Dewan Jones and it's like there.

Here we go. Go? With the 31st pick of the 2023 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chief select Felix and Udeka Uzama, defensive in Kansas State. Is there a better way to end the native going to Kansas City in Kansas City at the draft at the final pick of the first round? That's awesome. That is really poetic. He's a good player.

He is. With his ability to rush off the edge, he can win in different ways. He's still learning. Does he get better as a run defender? Yes. But, you know, guys like this that are that productive, you know, he's, you know, and I go back to the combine and talking to a lot of the tackles. Who's the toughest guy you faced?

I can't the state. Anna Duques and Zama. A lot of them couldn't even say. His name is Kansas State. Number 91. FAU. FAU. For the Atlantic.

So, I mean, you knew exactly who they were talking about. He was a guy that offense has really had to prepare for because he can get around the edge quickly. He can corner. So edge rusher is not surprising to see so many of them come off the board here in the first. I mean, and he's a, like, he's got juice and he's a technician. Like you said he's got different moves already. He's got like four pitches already, like a pitcher coming. into the league. And it gets the run. He's, uh, he's indifferent. Uh, that's why I've compared

him to Yonika Gokwe, because it was like, yeah, he, he can, he has 10 sec potential. I really do think that, but it's like, you know, if you run at him, he's going to pick his spots. Well, what's nice about this is they sign a Monahue and Freeations. Yes. And I think they're excited about what Charles and Menahue can do is an interior rush. Right. So if on base downs, you have a menahoo and the Karloft is in there, and then you can sprinkle him in some past rush situations, it'd be a really nice development plan for him. I think it'll make a lot of sense based on what they already have. Spaggis loves Blitton, but last year he throttled back and he was letting his guys win.

And this guy can win on an island. With him and Chris Jones, oh, man, that's a lot of heat coming off. And I think he can, his game will just translate right away because he already has that advanced hand usage. It's more just a little bit consistent with it, the consistency with it, but he's got some advanced things already and it has some good traits as far as athleticism. And the motor. The best thing that he does is he keeps his pursuit alive.

Yeah. does not just shut it down when the first move doesn't work. He's going, going, going. The motor's running hot until the whistle blows. And so some of the sacks, clean-up sacks? Yeah, you know what? That's okay. You're showing me your effort in the hustle.

Run the hoop. Keep running. Keep it going. If the quarterback's going to hold it, chase him down and make plays. Gentlemen, that's the first round of the 2023 NFL draft. All right, when we think about this draft a year from now, two years from now, five years from now, what are you going to remember about tonight? the Texans being so aggressive.

I mean, and how does it pay off for him? You know, going, taking the quarterback at 2 with C.J. Stroud, then going back up to get Will Anderson and not just resting on their laurels and having all these draft picks and just adding bodies, going to get the guy they wanted. You know, you have to wonder, it was kind of a deal they made. Like, they wanted Will Anderson at 2. And what if we did this?

What if we take the quarterback at 2? And then we'll come back up and get your guy, Damico. So the aggressiveness that the Texan showed was that that's definitely something. keep going back to the Eagles to trade up like that to get Jalen Carter, then at 30 get the guy, I think they were comfortable taking a 10. And Nolan Smith, going back to back like that with Georgia defenders on the defensive line, it's no mystery why the Eagles are such a well-run franchise. It's unbelievable.

Yeah, I would say the Texans, that double dip. It was really cool. It really was. It was true named needle movers. Like they have named Ohio State and Alabama guy are a redress. Okay, cool. That got you about a thousand season tickets. But the actual guys are players and like can be your franchise cornerstones You're you're hoping for what the Raiders did that was a first-and-second-round pick where they went Cleo Mac and Derek Carr Boom boom. It's like wow we got our franchise cornerstones that we got rid of in different ways

But that's what you're hoping for but that's what I'm gonna remember the drop of Levis you know his fall I really did think he he had first round tape I'm actually kind of surprised that no one would take a chance on here and also the tight ends how they shook out with mere dropping off. That's what I'm going to remember with those type of moves. Michael Mayer. Yeah, the mayor dropped. There were some hints that he might go a little lower than he expected. I didn't think it would be outside the first round though. Right. Biggest question as we had into tomorrow outside of maybe will love us because I think that's the one that lingers over everything here. Yeah, I mean, I think that Michael Mayer, you know, the tight ends, where does that pick back up where we see those guys come off the board,

Laporta, Tucker Kraft, Luke Musgrave, Arnold Washington. It is a very deep tight end class, but at a certain point, it's like, okay, let's... These are the best players left. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I mean, Brian Branch is a guy that he's a first-round player. Yeah. I mean, this is a... Watch his tape and tell me that's not a first-round player.

I understand he's 190 pounds and he's a 4-5 athlete, but, you know, he's a really good player. So first pick, tomorrow night, Pittsburgh Steelers. Tell me about it. A 32nd pick. Joe Porter Jr.'s still out there. Yeah, right. I promise you, we're going to read a lot of the second-third-round. mock drafts are the next 24 hours.

And Joey Porter Jr. is going to show up quite a bit with that 30 second pick. It's the one staple pick right there. Yeah. That's really was, again, it's where the tight ends end up. Actually, just now this kind of second tier of receivers. So I go high and like who was getting rumored into the first round where they end up. So pass catchers, I guess, would be a good way to put it. And also, yeah, I'm actually just really curious of one team.

And that's the Rams. I'm just curious what they do with that pick. Because again, we talk about how these teams signal what they're doing with their selections. It's like for the Rams that were, are you guys trying, you're trying to win games, huh? Okay, right? So what does that mean? What does that signal that they're trying to do? No interior offensive linemen?

Scronsky, I guess. Scorotsky, theoretically. But the Titans are for sure going to go like, hey, let's try out a tackle. But no centers, which is not surprised there. No, no Cyrus Torrance, no Steve Avella. And I think that was coming in, we thought that was probably going to be the case. Tackles were going to go. Guards, there's good depth.

You could wait to round two to get those. guys. Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe one would go like one in one tier of Cyrus of Torrance was probably the one most popular one but it's kind of going where he should go like really you know like he was that was just kind of the draft was supposedly shaking out so I agree yeah the interior guys were the two centers go Tipman and Smith Schuster from Wisconsin Minnesota like that this second round's gonna be interesting because it is it's the useful draft and so this we're right in the thick of it now but after pick 15 where this is

the thing of 15 through 50s very similar there's not much drop off here I mean The two stats that kind of stuck with me as we were coming into tonight, have the 85 touchdowns for Stroud over those two years, and the 51 and a half tackles for Loss for Roy Anderson over those two years. The Texans got both guys. The Texans kind of start this next era of Texans football with C.J. Stroud, then the Colts do the same with Anthony Richardson. Just what he could potentially be in that offense

and just already imagining the ways that Shane Stuyken is going to be able to use him. When you're the quarterbacks would kind of dictate the night a little bit, and for those two landing spots to be what they are, I think they're particularly intriguing. I'm pretty fired up about him and ended up with the Colts. Just as past catchers, the offense coordinator, where they're at as a team, where it's not, I don't think Colts fans, I'm sorry, but I don't think there should be high expectations. So it's kind of, there's going to be the growing pains, and I think that's, it's the perfect situation where he can play.

And it's like, it's kind of fine. Let him go. Let him go. Let him go. We'll run out fun. It's must see TV whenever they're on TV. I mean, you want to see how it's going to work. You know, and I think everyone expects there to be some bumps, but you just want to see it in motion and see how it works. They got the monster's at the skill positions. Between their tight ends, Giovanni Woods and Moe Alley Cox,

and then all the receivers, Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor, just have them start out there. It's going to be like an offensive basketball line with seven footers out there. And I love some of these AFC contenders, like, loading up. It's like, we need, we are in an arms race against the team that won the Super Bowl

and was hosting the draft right now. We got to just up our firepower as much as we can. In succession, those teams did that. Only seven teams can make it. to the playoffs and there's like 10, 11 AFC teams. I'm like, hey, yeah. What are you going to do? Not compete?

I mean, you have to go for it. You got to try. And so, yeah, that's love what Buffalo did with Kincaid. That's awesome. Yeah, that was a follow. Josh Allen's going to help him right away. That slot receiver role. But, you know, he doesn't have to come off the field because you could,

the way you use him. So I love that fit. Yeah. He doesn't. That was always my thing with him is how many snaps he can play and he's going to play. Like, it's first and second down 12. 11, it doesn't matter. He's still beyond the field.

because he's catching passes anyways. That was, it was like I was not one I was truly expecting to happen, and I'm, like, pretty excited to see that unfold. You give up a fourth round pick to go get that guy. Oh, all day. All day. I think Dallas takes him. I think Cincinnati, I mean, well, Buffalo is the next pick,

but Dallas might have taken him there. So it makes a ton of sense. You guys are not talking about the most important pick of the first round. We just don't know right. Locking down that right-tackus-cloth. It's right-clay-balled bears. That's we're all about. Guys, that was a blast.

Thank you so much for spending the evening with us. Guess what? We're doing it again tomorrow. We'll be back here tomorrow night. Live reactions to every pick from rounds two and rounds three. Got some more friends coming to visit us. Until then, sincerely appreciate you spending the night with us. Talk to you soon. This was the Athletic Football Show.