The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Chargers-Chiefs Thursday night recap — Justin Herbert injured in Chiefs' 27-24 win

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

It may not have been the prettiest game, but it certainly was an entertaining one. The Chiefs rallied from a 17-7 deficit to knock off the Chargers 27-24 on Thursday Night Football. Justin Herbert suffered an injury late in the game, which, depending on the severity, could be a much bigger loss for the Chargers than the one they took on the field. Robert Mays and Nate Tice are here to break it all down on this episode of The Athletic Football Show.Follow Robert on Twitter: @robertmaysFollow Nate on Twitter: @Nate_TiceSubscribe to The Athletic Football Show...AppleSpotifyYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the athletic football show. Welcome to the athletic football show. I'm Robert Mays. Joining me tonight is my good friend Nate Tyson. Nate, how you doing, buddy? Long time, no C. It feels like it's been days, weeks, years, months. It's been about six hours.

It's been six hours, yeah. I'm wearing the same clothes if anyone we watched our Thursday afternoon show. But it's, yeah, this is the type of game that I'm glad we do these live shows, though. If we're not going to do it for this type of game, then we're never going to do it. This was, this was, it was entertaining in its own way. Right off the bat,

Justin Herbert is one tough son of a bitch. That's my first takeaway from this game. He was in agony after those two hits. In absolute agony, he could barely move the left side of his body. And as a result, essentially just didn't, like punt it on a play, halfway through the play

because he could barely move. and then on Fort Town throws an absolute missile shot to keep them in the game. It's all the credit to him for toughing that out because that looked miserable. This is going to be my semi rant and I tweeted this is that's what I think is always funny about the process, especially with quarterbacks, is that everybody has in their head this like what they want from a football player, but this raw, raw drooling from the mouth. Like, you know, I make the joke that it's the Tim Tebow stereotype. You everybody wants the Tim Tebow in college at Florida.

He's scoring on the goal line touchdown. He's rah, and everyone's going nuts. Most of these quarterbacks and most of these amazing players aren't like that. They're tough in their own way. They're competitive in their own way. We're all human. We all are competitive and have our own personalities in our own way. And Justin Herbert chose that.

He's tough and competitive and just an amazing athlete. And it was really cool to see him do that. And truly not one of those where it's like, oh, he's banged up and we hear about on the injury port. No, we saw him get hit. We saw him come back, miss a play, and then come back and compete. And I mean, it was incredible to do that. The third one was kind of like weird where he's like, oh, whatever, I'm throwing this.

And he was hoping they were going to get him out of the game. I was like, get him out of the game. He should not be in there right now. It's a long season. You're down 10. And then next play, he just throws a freaking missile. And it's like, okay, well, that's pretty awesome. That you can do that with a broken wing or actually broken rib, probably.

That's what it looked like anyways. fair or unfair, my takeaway from this game is going to be that the Chargers squandered a lot of chances. In the first half, I don't know what the thought process is behind being one of the most aggressive coaches in history last year on fourth and short situations and then punting twice from midfield on fourth and less than two in a game where Patrick Mahomes is on the other sideline. Maybe some of that is increased confidence in your defense. We have actual players on that side of the ball. we think we can stop people. That's not a good reason. I'm wondering what's different.

What is different now than it was last year when you were making some of these decisions? Because even though the game was close and they were winning at points after they decided to punt those, both of those drives. If those drives end in points, if they don't give the ball up in those situations, that's a huge turning point in this game. If you look at the overall arc of how the game went, those are big moments. When you're playing against that guy on the other side, even when you play really well on defense, which I think the Chargers did and we can get into that. He's going to get a couple. He is always going to be sitting there lingering and hovering and ready to come back and knife

you. And I just think giving them those moments is a win for that. Even when they were doing it, I'm like, this is going to come back to get them. I just want to have that game be out of reach by the time the first half ends. And I just think they squandered some opportunities by giving him the ball back in those spots. And isn't that the argument about if you're a mid-year-old. field and punning and your defense is playing well. Isn't that the time?

That's why you should go for it. That's why you should go for it. My defense is playing great. Brandon Staley, and we talked about some pre-show, let's get into it right now, is that I didn't know he had this in them, especially on passing downs. That was some creative stuff as far as pressure, simulated. I'm really, I'm really, really curious to watch the passing down looks from this game about what the Chargers defense did because they've shown some looks that were creative and

different than maybe I've seen before. or stuff I've seen, but maybe not all in one game. So I think that's one of my biggest takeaways, even though they lost, was, all right, rather than being this basic too high stuff that we fawn over and doing all the stuff with the fronts and everything, showing these different pressures out of it and really doing a great job against a really good offensive line and a quarterback that's, I mean, my home's avoided about four sacks, five sacks maybe just by getting rid of the ball. But that speaks to how good that Chargers defense was doing on these pastodows. Chargers went, or I'm sorry, the Chiefs went four for 12 on third down.

And that really speaks to what this game plan was on a short week. And I get it like that, that was, that's a feather. I know they lost the game, but that is really a feather in the cap really to what this Chargers defense can be rather than just static and have Bosa and Khalil Mack just, you know, be banshees on the edges. It's that they brought some creative looks. The first, the first drive on the, I think the, I think it was the first drive, maybe in the second drive.

The one that a couple people talked about is a five-man pressure, a five-man protection. They got two guys loose on that. That was a creative look to create that pressure. And Mahomes had to throw hot. He almost lobbed it up for a pick. And that speaks to the charge's defense. It was just one of those that they squandered some chances.

And that's the thing about when you have an elite quarterback on either side. And of course, Mahomes is Mahomes. Is that you can't squander those chances. That's what good quarterbacks do is they go, well, you had your chance. And guess what? I'm going to score when you don't hit that chance. It was interesting because there was a second drive of the game. It was second and seven.

The Chiefs went empty. And I think that that pressure that you're talking about might have been a reaction to them going empty because I didn't see them do it much for the rest of the game. So they lined up that both linebackers were mugged up as a result of them shifting out into empty. And Tranquil came, but Sebastian Joseph Day back, he dropped. So he was right underneath Kelsey and the right guard just did not pay attention to Tranquil. So it's a form, it's only, they only brought four, but they brought in a funky way. They did that a lot in the first half. They brought more pressure in the second half, but it felt like when they were rushing for, they weren't getting as much pressure.

I want to go back and watch some of the dropbacks in the second half. It's a very good game to review. I didn't notice why the pressure kind of was turned down in the second half, but I felt that it was. I didn't feel like they were creating that edginess in the pocket that you and I talk about the same way they were in the first half. But I do think overall, the game plan was very, very good. A couple just busted moments, you know, and I think. we can point to three or four of them. That isante Samuel near interception, the game changes on that play.

If he makes that play, an incredible play by him, by the way. They're trying to clear him out of that side, and he watches Mahomes' eyes. He reads it the entire way and falls off and nearly makes a game-changing play. The big Kelsey completion that got them down inside the five, almost the exact same idea that we were talking about with the Justin Jefferson play from Sunday. They were in quarters. I'm so glad you brought that up. Yes, that's exactly what it was.

And Jason's passing it off. And there's just a miscommunication. The Chiefs are so, so good at putting you in bad spots, even in a game where it's going to be frustrating on a down-to-down basis because the other defense has really good players and a very good game plan. They're going to find five or six of these moments. They're going to consistently make it hard on you. The touchdown to Watson, that's just a very cool design where he's in a condensed split.

and J.C. Jackson's an outside leverage. And the way that that route releases really puts J.C. Jackson in a tough bind because he's got to respect that. But then he bends it back in. It was just a really good play in a really good moment. Those are going to happen. But down to down, I was pretty impressed with what the Chargers defense look like. I do want to go back and watch why the pressure might not have been quite as influential in the second half. And that's when you go against an offense with the good old line and go quarterback, that's what's frustrating.

It's like, oh, we got them. We gamed them up. Like Brandon Saley and this defensive staff gamed them up a couple times. They had one where they caught Creed Humphrey with a late, late pressure down the A gap. And I want to watch that one because Creed Humphrey was sliding. Van Nuoy came from the other side because they slid the wrong way. So we had to respond. That was a great call.

That was a five-man pressure that actually worked. I want to look at it because I want to see how they did it, how they got to it. Because Andy Reed's protection stuff, it's not, it's not overly complicated. And that's kind of the beauty of it. It is, it's kind of in between what I talk about with the Dak Prescott and the Cowboys offense. And maybe Tom Brady and the Ariens offense and maybe the Shanahan offenses, which is super simple. It's the middle ground. Like they are the middle ground as far as rules and set and forget it and all that.

So that's what's cool. When you see a defense game them up several times, it's like, ooh, they caught them. They have tells. They figured out how they got it. And they did it all throughout the first half. That's what I'm glad you robbed, obviously. the Watson touchdown that J.C. Jackson, when you have a condensed split, the rules are usually safe for a defense. I wish Deonté was on here because he could, he could preach about this,

is it's crossers or corners. That's what you're usually worried about, crossers and corners. Outbreakers, because you want inside leverage or you want inside split. So you give yourself a room or crossers because you want to get across the formation. So also when the guy widens you and then breaks in, it's a great call. It's a great design. Third and ten and you got him and you have Mahomes buying time. That's what the freak quarterback's too. Making an insane play. I mean, the fact that he steps up in the pocket and hits that throw is absolutely crazy.

The other guy that makes that play happen was McKinnon. They did a great job of picking up the pressure. They brought a blitz on that play. It just worked out well. I mean, that's just one of those plays where they're going to hit you every once in a while. The last one, I mean, obviously a sliding doors moment in this game. The pick six is just it's one of those things where. you don't want to lay blame on necessarily one person, one party in that.

Everett is gassed. He's totally gassed. They go tempo. The human element. And he's sitting there and Herbert thinks he's going to be inside. He leaves the throw inside. You would assume that he's going to box him out and make that play. And it doesn't happen.

It goes all the way back for a touchdown. And I think that if you stack up all of those, there's reason for optimism with the Chargers, with the coaching on defense, with, you know, just the chances that they had with what they're going to be over the course of the season, with the improved personnel they have on that side of the ball. I have some issues still with what's going on on offense. Would you like to know what Justin Herbert averaged air yards per attempt in the second half of this game?

Do I want to know? Do I want to know? I don't. What was it? 3.1. It's 3.1. These are numbers that are coming out right after the game ends. That could be wrong.

but I don't think it's wrong. No, I have no reason to believe that it's wrong. So that's what I'm looking at right now. It's 3.1. And it's what it felt like. And it's what it felt like. It's what it felt like. It was so much quick game.

I understand why you feel like you need to operate in a condensed area. Teams are going to put a roof on you and make you play like that. But how static their approach is living in that sort of. sort of world, it just limits the ceiling of what your offense can be so much when it's stick and curls and all of these plays where guys are not catching the ball moving toward the other goal line. There is no one that's ever catching the ball on the run within this offense. The one, a couple different times, they ran the orb motion, little RPO to the Andre

Carter that got some yards. But every time they did it, but every time they did it, they took Mike Williams out. every time they did that play, they took Mike Williams out. So there was a tell when they did that or motion play. Sorry, I noticed that. Which is funny. You know why your 6-4, 220-pound receiver to block? Right.

But it's also like, hey, take a blow because we're going to run it like this little bubble stuff. But that's the thing. It's like you were having a tendency on something that should be a gimmee play, if that makes sense. It's hard to do it. And by the way, I was going to say it's hard to do without the all 22. the NGS version of the Amazon stream is a game changer. I didn't get to see it. The fact that you can sit there and watch,

it's not All 22 every single play, but they do a really good job of giving you that angle a lot. But without watching the actual All-22 of the game, it's hard to know exactly how many opportunities he passed up. I am a little bit frustrated in how Herbert Street said this during the broadcast. So Justin Herbert gets through his progressions faster than any quarterback in the league. I don't think that's always a good thing. I think he's getting to some of these.

underneath throws really, really quickly. And his brain is such a fucking supercomputer that it almost moves too fast. There was a play where he had Everett on a little high, low, coming over the middle of the field, and he went to the flat. And it's like, I, I just need like, I need you to hang in one more beat, my man. Because I just want, wherever we can create ambition within this very condensed offensive game plan, I think they need to. But it's a frustrating team to watch.

And the problem is, we've talked about this coming in. of the season. This to me, this game, is a perfect encapsulation minus Keenan Allen of what the Chargers offense really wants to be in the passing game. Okay. There's really, I tweeted this as a joke. Mike Williams is just posting up. Like, they're playing basketball with some of these looks. And Justin Herbert's just feeding the post. That's what they want to be with those big bodies. But they don't have anybody. I'm going back and thinking about some of the concepts that were drawn up for AJ Brown in that Eagles game, right? And, just how often they're getting him on the move and being able to, even if you're living

underneath, can you create explosive plays? Gimmies. Through design. But the Chargers don't really have those kinds of players. And I think that's going to show up where if teams are going to put that roof over you and you can't push the ball down the field, they don't really have the type of guys that if I'm going to hit a slant and this is going to be a 30-yard gain. And I think that the combination of the mindset they bring in, the type of game Joe Lombardi

wants to call and the personnel that they have, I'm just working. worried about it. I'm worried about where the juice comes from having to live in the world that they're in right now. I mean, this is, I know we sound like we're beating the same drum, but that's exactly right. There's so many times in this game, especially in the second half, where I'm glad you brought up to where you checked it down and you could tell Herbert's hitting this back foot on a seven step drop, mind you. A seven step drop is that it's supposed to be vertically attacking and the benefit when you have a seven step drop is you check it down and there's room for the guy to make especially a guy like Austin Eckler to have room to create okay okay the next

defender is seven yards away. He is an exception here by the way. He can create when he catches the ball in those situations and maybe that's part of the reason that they go to him so often in those moments but it's still frustrating to watch. It is and you don't want to live that way. You know, I mean that's more like that's more just like a hidden the easy button. I've talked about this with the Rams offense and what I'm saying, where I'm excited about with the Vikings offense this year, is that, okay, we saw so many times Todd Gurley taking a checkdown and running up the sideline because then he creates an explosive playoff of a four-yard checkdown. But the thing is, it's because those play action plays make the defense push backwards. And so you check it down, guy gets up silent. You just create a room to breathe.

It's gravity in its own way. And if you're not midges meowing, by the way, if you don't, she's even upset about this. She's frustrated. We want more out of this team. We wanted this to be 48 to 45 with a whole bunch of bombs and all that. But that's not what this offense is. And this is not what Joe Lombardi is used to. He's, he's, they ran 12 personnel a whole bunch of times. And I get it that Kenyon's out and all that. But it's, that didn't seem this like this type of game. It seemed like a game that you're attacking down the field. It's a specknola didn't really seem like he was heating them up too much. It seemed like he was more of a safer defense. I, I, I, I, Yeah, the numbers aren't crazy. Like, I think that they had like a similar blitz rates with the Chargers had. It was like a quarter of total snaps during the game. It was in the second half, they actually only blitz 12% of the time. I'm looking at the numbers right now.

Chiefs did. Yeah. And, well, I mean, if that's what the Steve Spagnola is doing against you, okay, put it on tape. And I get it's a division game. It's a Thursday game, all that. But the fact that Spagnola, Mr. Heat him up, do all the stuff. And he was like, let's, let's write it back.

Let's see what this team can do with all the yak stuff. I'm going to say, I will say this too as well, is having a guy like Gerald Everett as a tight end and be able to him be able to create after the catch, that does help. Having some juice. But this offense just lacks so much juice because it's a lot of catching tackles. And I want to look at. It's so static. I know. It's the same freshest we have with the Cowboys offense.

I know we bring it up all the time. I want to look up what the yak yardage is because that is, yeah, about half his yards came from yak. But it's Well, when you're throwing the ball three yards down the field, they have to come from yak. That's not what you want to do. The numbers are going to be misleading there because there's going to be a ton of yards after catch because there has to be,

but there's still low ceiling plays, even if you're getting some yards after catch. That's a good way to put it. Low ceiling plays. That's what it is. It's very safe. Everything with this offense feels safe while they have the fucking Terminator at quarterback. I know.

Like that's what. And I agree with you that Herbert does get through it quick, but also benefit with Herbert. get through in it quick if you push the ball down the field. And this is why I love some of these like super juice quarterbacks. Like even even the Josh Allen's of the world, Josh Allen has learned to be safe, but he learns to freaking push it because they give him vertical options. They'll go empty and have a guy going vertical.

Have something. And it's a very 2002 offense. It's a very. And it's like it's fine. It's built off three and five step concepts. And again, a lot of this is fine. I'm like, none of these concepts are like bad, but it's also, like you say, you're putting a ceiling of what this offense should do, especially when you have a T-1000 at quarterback.

The big play to Williams down the left sideline where he got the and one dunk and the penalty, it's a seven-man protection. And really, it's an eight-man protection because Carter chipped. So there are three guys out in the route, but really it's a two-man route. Don't even give him the checkdown. Just make him throw it. That's totally fine with me. I would love if they were wadding it up more on first down. Because even his air yards on play action today were extremely low.

I think that's boosted by a couple screens. And they had a call play action screens to echo or stuff like that. They had a ton of screens. These numbers can be a little bit misleading. But it's just, I just want a little bit more out of it. I will say, a couple things on the offensive line for the Chargers. Zion Johnson looked awesome against Chris Jones really in this game to the point that they're like, well, screw it. We'll just move from the other side.

And Chris Jones made three or four monster plays in this game against Matt Fowler, who's a pretty good player. I think that just lets you know what sort of ceiling and what sort of guy we're going to be talking about potentially was Zion Johnson. The fact that the chiefs decided we're just going to move him to the other side away from the rookie because we want him to be able to affect the game. And oh boy, did Chris Jones affect the game after they did that. And I think what I want to reiterate with this game, okay, it was a division opponent short week and two very, good football teams going at it. That's where I don't want anyone to say the sky is falling for the Chargers or that the

Chiefs got super lucky. This is what good football teams do. They expose your weaknesses, like just like Staley did on third down, which I actually think is so interesting because I was so excited to watch this Chiefs offensive line and what they did against the Cardinals last week with all the blitzes that they were bringing. I'm like, ooh, look at this. Look at this. Oh, man, they're bobbing and a weave and look at this.

And then one week, four days later, the Chargers, a team that I don't know as a pressure team, like I don't picture them. I don't picture Staley as a guy that has this huge rolodex of pressures, getting them and gaming them. I think that's so cool. So I think that speaks more to the Chargers too. But that's what it's so funny. That's why I love the NFL is like these are two, I think, really juggernauts of teams going at it. And that's why I want to, we're disappointed. somewhat with the Chargers it did and maybe some of the things that the Chiefs did,

but it's like, no, these are two awesome teams going at it. I'm disappointed because they squandered a chance to beat the Kansas City Chiefs on the road in week two in a division game. It's a game they absolutely could have won, and I don't think they put themselves in the best position to win the game. A couple of personnel things with the Chargers to just keep an eye on. Corey Lindley goes down in this game. Don't know when he's going to be back.

That's a potentially huge loss for them. And Trey Pipkins, the right tackle also got hurt. So they're dealing with two backup offensive linemen. That's where you talk about sky is falling. If that starts to become a serious problem, that's when I start to get very, very worried. One more thing, and I don't want to pick on him. I was super excited when the Chargers drafted J.T. Woods in the third round

because I thought it was going to give them a chance to move Derwin James all around, which they were doing some today. They were using some three safety looks. One of my favorite looks that the Chargers have is, Penny is the package that you call it on defense. Rubing, yeah. When you have, yeah, so you have a five-man front with one single linebacker, so you're a nickel, but you have a five-man front. I love the personnel that the chargers can put on the field when they do that.

So that was one thing. That's where Van Nuoy comes into play, correct? So Van Nuke, and I think Murray, I think Murray was in there a couple different times in that situation this week, too. Murray actually looked really good, stewarding up the quarterback a little bit. Yeah, I thought he had some good moments today. He did. The last two games are probably the best two games he's played as a charger. So that personnel package, I think, is really interesting.

And I think when they use Durwin as a dime linebacker, they can do some cool stuff with him. But when they have a low he Gilman on the field as that third safety, you can just feel it. Multiple of the big plays in this game happened when he was on the field as their third safety. So I think as you get really deep into the different personnel groupings that the Chargers can use, whether it's having Trey McKitty as their second tight end when now that Donald Parham is out, some of the offensive line injuries,

Gilman is their third safety. like they're not as deep as we think they might be after all the guys that they added this year. And I think it's just an important thing to keep in mind. If they start getting hurt, this thing could go off the rails. Robert Mays, are you saying that there's stars and scrubs? Are you, are you describing the LA Chargers as Stars and Scrubs? No, I don't think there's, I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair.

I think that the guys in the secondary when most of them are healthy. Like Callahan is fine. I think as long as he's around, that's a really good thing. Chargers DBs look fucking awesome. That's what I mean. The DPs do look awesome. And I do think they have enough bodies up front. I just think there are like one or two spots today where it was not alarm bells.

But no, no. I was, it's, I'm starting to think about it. Like in the back of my mind, it's like, ooh, I'm going to file this away because I think this could be a problem in certain moments if they keep going to these looks on defense. And if the offensive line keeps getting dinged up. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, this AFC is just such a bloodbath because like even with the Chiefs, I'm watching them tonight. I know we're talking about the Chargers right now.

And then you watch the Chiefs because we haven't at all. Right. I know. But you watch this Chief's team. And it's like that's why they're, I'm sure, as a neutral fan, it's a lot of fun. But that's what they're inevitable. It's you feel those moments, the drop pick. You felt that moment.

You're like, oh, that's it. That's, you get the door. You hear the door opening a little bit. And Mahomes is just like, Mahomes did that touchdown to Watson. and he came off the field and he was like, like he just kind of nodded like, yeah, like we got it. And it was like, oh, God.

I wish I had that confidence. That's why you can't give them opportunities. That's why you can't give them fourth and twos at midfield. Nope. Because if you crack that door open the tiniest bit, they're going to slam it wide open. And they do it every single time. And that's why it's so frustrated.

And that's why it's so frustrating. And that's why if you're a charger fan, you're watching this game, I just can't imagine how, deflating it is for that to be the end result when you had so many good moments on defense. And you really played a great game. It was a great game plan. You had a human version of Patrick Mahomes for all but like three or four plays.

But sometimes that's all he needs. Sometimes he only needs the three or four plays. And that's the concern. But I think what we watched tonight was a game between two very, very good football teams that are going to be around until the end of this whole thing. I'm worried about the Chargers offensive line health. I'm worried about whether their quarterback has some. There's a chance that his rib cage is just powder in his body right now.

I don't know how that ends up for him, but I'm a little bit worried about what he looked like at the end of that game and if it's anything long term. He's a tough competitive dude. And the fact that that third and won where he was like, screw this. I'm not running it. I was, ooh, that's, but that's the thing. He's so competitive. And the fact is the Chargers had six more first downs today.

Like they, they were controlling this game. They really were. They were dictating that whole first half. Like, they had the, they had the chiefs on the ropes. This was a, I consider this a true heavyweight fight. This was Frazier Ali to me. It really was as far as this season. It wasn't, oh, this team got lucky.

And that's, that's how it is. When you have these teams, I feel like are more evenly matched that I think other people want to consider before the injuries. But that's how I consider these teams. It's, that's what it is. It's a game of inches. And that's where the stuff happens when the drop pick or that you don't get this first down. You punt it when you shouldn't punt, yada, yada, yada.

Those things catch up to get, come up to catch you. Sorry, my God. Get up to catch you. I'm going to speak it out. I'm going to spill it out at one point. But it's like, that's what it was. It was two really, really good football teams going at it and two very, very, very good quarterbacks going at it.

Yeah. And I think that's why there's just not a ton to say about the chiefs. We know what the chiefs are. Like we know who they are and we know who they are in these sorts of moments. And Andy Reid's got to stop, stop panicking. That's, oh my God, he is 20 years of play calling. As soon as that run game stalls a couple times, he just goes, ah, quick game. And it's so, and it happened again for two quarters.

And then he got back into it. But it's just so funny that like, that's what, it happens to him every single time. And he gets away with it because he has number 15 back there. But Andy Reid sometimes is just got to stop doing that. and he got away with it tonight because he has a guy named Patrick Malm's really. That's really what it was. Yeah. And I think that's the most important thing to understand is that as long as he's around,

they're going to have those games where they only need four or five moments and tonight was one of them. But these teams are going to be really good. They're going to be around for a long time. I don't think there's really anything else that we have to say. That's all we got for tonight. Really appreciate you guys listening. Please go check out our preview episode for week two, which is already.

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