The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Dane Brugler's updated Top 50: Arvell Reese, Ty Simpson top the list

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Ah yes, the familiar hallmarks of mid-November. Leaves falling off trees, Thanksgiving preparations being made, and Dane Brugler's updated Top 50. Dane and Dave Helman dig into the new Top 50 on this episode of The Athletic Football Show's Building the Beast. The guys discuss Arell Reese and Ty Simpson up top, the biggest risers and fallers, the unique challenges of the 2026 class, and a whole lot more.Rundown (timestamps are approximate)4:44 Arvell Reese and Ty Simpson at the top15:27 The other quarterbacks in the top 5031:22 Making sense at the top36:12 Cornerback class54:31 Wide receiver class1:00:00 The biggest fallersConnect with The Athletic Football ShowX: https://x.com/TA_FootballShowIG: https://www.instagram.com/tafootballshowYT: https://www.youtube.com/@TAFootballShowTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tafootballshowDiscord: http://discord.gg/theathleticfootballshowCall us: 847-448-0701Email us: [e-mail]: Dave HelmanCo-Host: Dane BruglerExecutive Producer: Michael BellerVideo Producer: Katy DuffyAudio Producer: Michael BellerSocial Producer: Scott KrinchFollow Dave on Bluesky: @davehelman.bsky.socialFollow Dave on X: @davehelman_Follow Dane on X: @dpbruglerTheme song: HauntedWritten by Dylan Slocum, Trevor Dietrich, Ruben Duarte, Kyle McAulay, and Meredith VanWoert / Performed by Spanish Love SongsCourtesy of Pure Noise / By arrangement with Bank Robber Music, LLC Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to an all new episode of Building the Beast. I am Dave Hellman and we have got a good one for y'all today. Maybe you noticed. Maybe you didn't. If you didn't, please go check it out. Dane Bruegler has released his updated top 50 for this 2025 college football season. The new top 50 prospects of this college season, having watched two thirds, three quarters of the season, you know, got a few weeks left to play before the end of the regular season. Dane put out his initial top 50 in August.

We broke it down then. Now we look at the new list. What's changed? What hasn't? Who has risen? And believe me, there are a few big climbers in this updated top 50. Really fun conversation with Dane. Of course, we hit the quarterbacks.

But in addition, took a look through everything else. What is new and interesting about his top 50? Really great episode. Let's get into it. And joining me now, as he always does, my friend, my counterpart. are my Sherpa in this draft process. And Dane, buddy, I'm excited for this one, man. I look forward to to your top 50s, your draft boards.

Obviously, the beast will eventually come out, which is a draft Christmas experience. So we've got our midseason top 50 today. A lot to dig into. Let's start with just a simple question. Is it more like of a relief to hit a mile? stone like this or is it anxiety inducing when you put your opinions out into the world so publicly like this? You know, it's both because obviously you're, you know, there's total transparency in this process.

And so this is one of the milestones, one of the checkpoints of the entire year where it's like, okay, we had the top 50 in August. And I mean, realistically, we could do rankings every week. But those would be so up and down. and you're being, you know, you're reacting to each game. And it's just not the right way to do it. And so by not doing rankings until now, okay, we have a full two months of tape worth to digest and figure out and really pick through.

And, you know, doing this from a very generalized point of view where there's not a specific scheme I'm scouting for, you know, because some of these guys, Ruben Bain is going to be an edge rusher for some teams. help you have three technique for other teams. You know, and so like that's, that complicates how you, how you look at these guys. But from a very generalized point of view, try to get these guys stacked in a way that I'm not really accounting for positional value. I'm just trying to, okay, I'm trying to put together a rankings where in three years from now,

if I look back at this list, I can be proud of, okay, you know what? I just stack the best football players because that, that's what I'm going for. I want to stack the best football players based on their traits, based off of what they've put on tape so far, and how they project to the next level. And so there's still tape to be watched. There's still more that we more work that we have to do, you know, between now and in April, obviously. But for now, I feel good about where we are in this process. You know, some of these guys on this top 50 won't be in the draft. They'll go back to school.

And, you know, that'll be another big update as we try to figure this. out. But I think this is a good point to have an update and I feel good about where I landed with this top 50. Fun little nugget, Dane tried to bury in there if you weren't paying attention about one of the highest risers in this draft class at Edge, Ruben Bain, potentially being seen at another position, which I just, I wanted to call that out. I picked up on it and one of many fun conversations that we can have. Okay, so let's dive into this. The top 50 came out on Tuesday. not we're not premiering it so i don't feel a ton of need to sort of be be coy or or slow play putting it out there like if you want to read it you can go find it on the athletic you can read

along with us and tell us what you agree with or disagree with but just a quick snapshot so there's there's 22 new prospects from the preseason top 50 uh there are four quarterbacks in this version of the top 50 which are vastly different for the most part. A couple of them, not so much, but some two two new names that shouldn't surprise you if you've been following along. Dane gave me a quick conference breakdown. 17 players each from the SEC and Big Ten, which makes a ton of sense if you're paying attention to the programs that are kicking ass in college football this year. Seven from the ACC, six from the Big 12. Notre Dame has two guys on this list. They play the same position, funnily enough. And,

then one G5 prospect from the University of Toledo, which I think Dane called that out in the preseason as well. So plenty of stuff holding true, even as we find surprises during this college football season. So I guess let's start where else would we start but the top? But like, I mean, you gave it away in last week's episode and I don't think anybody that follows your work, Dane, would be surprised. Arvel Reese jumping from a non-top 50, prospect in the preseason to the number one prospect overall. We've talked plenty about him and and we can talk a little bit more, but I got to tell you, you sent me an early copy of this on Monday to prep for the show. And I yelped. I scared my fiance half to death with how excited I

was to see the number two name on this list. And that's one of the quarterbacks who we knew who he was coming into this season, but he certainly wasn't getting as much hype as some other guys. And he jumps all the way from a non-top 50 prospect to number two on your board. That would be Ty Simpson at the University of Alabama. And I got to tell you, bud, yeah, I'm in. This got me really excited because I respect your opinion so much. And there are plenty of people high on Ty Simpson, myself included. But to see you get there with him, I love it a lot because I,

I just, I think the world of what this guy has put on tape so far. Well, no, and that makes me feel good because you're our resident SEC watcher. And you have a good mix because you're a Midwest guy now. That's right. I mean, you're, you're shoveling sidewalks and like you're, you're all about it now, which is awesome to see. But at your heart, you're still an SEC guy. And so I know you've seen a lot of Ty Simpson this year. And how could you not be impressed?

You know, like, it's just he, the way he, because it's not about. necessarily just looking at the production that matters but it's more about process and traits and this is a quarterback who you look at the execution you look at his operation it's everything is so clean and just by the book what you want to see that it's it's hard to bet against him and look we've talked about it right the elephant in the room will be the lack of experience and teams will have to come to grips with his unique situation where this is a it's a a guy that grew up in a division one program, you know, his dad being a 20 year head coach at FCS level. So he grew up in a quarterback room. He grew up in a practice field, grew up in a locker

room. Like, he's kind of been groomed for this. And so it's not a big surprise that he has been this good this quickly. But, you know, there's just, there's no substitute for experience. But how much of a past do we give a quarterback like this who faced a lot of good talent during practice the last three years at Alabama. This year in the SEC, it's not like he's playing, it's not like Trey Lance's situation where FCS. This is a quarterback playing big time competition

this year in the SEC and has Alabama poised for a playoff spot. Now we'll see how he finishes. But all these things take into account how he's just a more unique one-year starter than say a Mitchell Tribisky or a lot of these guys that have not worked out

who were the one-year guys. So while ideally, yeah, you want a guy with more experience, a more filled out resume, that might not be the case with Ty Simpson. And it's really interesting because he's going to be turned 23 years old here soon. He's already a graduate. Like if he went back to school, I don't think that surprised anybody. It'd be good for him. But it also wouldn't be surprising if he declares. And that's NFL scouts do believe he will declare.

Now, I'll just, NFL scouts, they think that. that it is going to be basically a two-quarterback draft. And we'll have to wait and see on that because, you know, I remember back, I remember scouts telling me Sam Donald was going back because he wanted to, he loved USC, he wanted one more year. He ended up declaring.

Like, so these things change all the time, especially with NIL. But scouts feel like this is going to be a two-quarterback draft with Simpson and then Fernando Mendoza. Dante Moore is playing well. But, you know, it's obvious at times. He's just 20 years old.

Oregon can cut. that check where he's going to be well compensated to stay for another year for the Ducks. Lenora Sellers will be a wild card because he'll have options about staying or going or playing elsewhere next year. The other factor here is NIL. You know, last year we saw, sorry, I'm going off on a tangent here, but while we're on the topic of quarterback. Oh, I love it when you just read my notes for me.

Like, you know where this is going. You know where I'm what I'm going to ask you. I mean, it's, it's when the subject of. quarterbacks in college football and prospects, it's the, the subject has now expanded to the NIL space and it's the Wild Wild West. And, you know, last year we saw Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers both declare and then Miami came calling. Ewers passed. He felt like he was ready to go pro. He passed on those NIL offers and stayed in the draft. Beck sought in his best interest to take the money, transfer, go back to school. This year, Brendan Sorsby could be that guy.

obviously sellers could be in that mix. Sam Levitt, Josh Hoover, Byron Brown. There are a few others that are thinking about going pro who could strengthen this class, no doubt. But once that quarterback market and the NIL shakes out, it's going to change all of this. And so Miami's probably going to be in that market again. Texas Tech could be in that market, maybe LSU potentially.

So plenty of other schools that be looking at these quarterbacks and really influencing who are the quarterbacks that will be in the 2026 class. So let's take this line by line with the guys that are here. So Ty Simpson comes in at number two. He debuts in this ranking at number two. Dante Moore, another new quarterback jumps all the way up to number 12 after an impressive first half of the season, three quarters of the season, whatever. Excuse me, I skipped over Fernando Mendoza.

Forgive me. He jumps up 13 spots. He was 20th in your preseason. top 50, which I feel like there's, there's this, I don't know, I feel like there's this perception that Fernando Mendoza came out of nowhere. I'm like, absolutely not if you were paying attention to this thing from the beginning. He jumps up to seventh overall, obviously a Heisman contender firmly in this sort of conversation. And then Lenora Sellers is the fourth and final guy in this list. He drops, he drops eight spots, but is still considered a top 20 prospect. I, I'm going to go,

Okay, so you touched on a few of these here already, but Dante Moore, it's his first go, it's not his first year as a starter, but in this Oregon situation where you've got a lot of things working in your favor, I think it's a great point to mention that Oregon is, and I don't say this to throw shade. I love that schools can pay players, but Oregon is well suited to keep him in school unless he does everything he needs to do. I mean, if he were to like win the Heisman and Oregon wins the national title, maybe there's nothing keeping you here. But otherwise, you got to like Oregon's odds of holding on to somebody like that.

And then I'm curious for your thoughts on sellers where it obviously hasn't been as amazing as we were hoping heading into the season. It's also very obvious that South Carolina is outmanned in a lot of the games that they play. Clearly, you still like the guy enough to view him as a top 20 prospect. And so if that's the case, I get that schools have a lot of money in their NIL coffers, but if NFL teams agree with you, how surprised should we be to see sellers try the pros anyway? I think it'll depend on how he finishes

because, you know, we, just getting the feedback from scouts on sellers, they're kind of just in a holding pattern. You know, they're not sure what to make of the situation in South Carolina, because you have to kind of divorce the quarterback from everything else to figure out how much of this roller coaster season for the game Cox has been on the quarterback, how much of it has been the fact that he's just not getting a lot of help out there from the offensive line, from his weapons.

And, you know, they already fired the offensive coordinator. You know, it's tough because when your quarterback, Lenore Sellers is getting paid a lot of money to be the quarterback at South Carolina. and obviously the wins have not followed this year, especially after last year was such an encouraging year for that program. But it's, so scouts are kind of in a holding pattern where it's like we see the talent, and he makes impressive throws.

I mean, name a game, and I can point you to a couple of throws where it's just like, yeah, that's NFL stuff. Like he's further along now than Anthony Richardson was when he came out of Florida. And I get, that's not necessarily a ringing endorsement with the way Richardson has worked out,

but we're still talking about a prospect here. We're talking about a guy that teams are going to have hope for. And Sellers is not ready to just drop him out of the top 50 altogether, but, you know, kind of putting him in a holding pattern where just not quite sure what to do with him yet because the talent is obviously there. There's a lot of encouraging things about what he's doing on tape, but it's just the production has been inconsistent

and the execution been inconsistent. And that makes it tough to figure out what to do with them in terms of a ranking. And to be honest with you, I wish I could do rankings where it was just there's quarterback rankings and then non-quarterback rankings. It's hard to wait that position against everything else, right? Exactly. It's a weighted position, exactly.

So how do you, you know, how do you put, how do you rank a Lenora Sellers with, you know, a tight end? You know, like how do you possibly, you know, compare the impacts of those two positions? And so that does make it tough. But for these purposes, yeah, Sellers drops a little bit. But I mean, a part of me is hoping he does go back to school, whether that's at South Carolina or somewhere else where he can develop and take that next step. And we'll be talking about him next year.

Let me ask you this real quick. And I hope I'm not putting you on the spot. But while you were doing this, these are the four quarterbacks that made the list. But if you're looking at the rest of the landscape, and it's kind of tricky, right? Like Sam Levitt got injured. He's shut down for the year. John Mateer has been dealing with an injury. It hasn't been so great for him since he came back from the injury.

I mean, Garrett Nussmeyer, we've been over his struggles going as far as to get benched against Alabama the other night. Arch Manning, it feels like it just, it feels incredibly, incredibly likely that he's not part of this class. Are there any other quarterbacks? You mentioned Brendan Sorsby, Jaden, Mayava at USC. Are there any other quarterbacks that you either thought about or that you could, could see factoring here when it's all said and done. Like, was there anybody else that was on the, on the fringe of your radar?

Honestly, not really. I mean, I, I do really like Sorsby a lot. Like, I think he's right now in that third, fourth round range and rising. But I, I think there's a good chance we see him go back to school and field some calls. And, you know, whether that's Tennessee, whether that's Miami,

LSU, whoever that ends up being and have a chance to move up a level. No offense to Cincinnati, but move up a level and then potentially be a guy we're talking about as a first rounder next year. So Sorsby is the really interesting one. But if we just talk about the senior class, I don't know, like it's hard to really feel

great about any of these guys. It's kind of like last year where, well, I guess we had Tyler Shuck last year, but besides Shuck and Jackson Dart, you know, like that next senior were you know Dylan Gabriel you know he ended up going top 100 but

probably shouldn't have you know I this year senior class is just a lot of these guys have disappointed you know Drew Aller unfortunately doesn't have the second half of his year to prove that he could be something even though he has talent and we've seen him take or make improvements

that was taken from him because of the season ending injury so we're left projecting there so no I mean this is a this is a senior quarterback that really has not lived up to expectations. My expectations, NFL expectations, fan expectations. So that's been a disappointing part of this draft cycle. Aller and to a much lesser degree, Nussmeyer,

because Alar's just like physically a much more talented guy. But those two guys, it's going to be interesting to see what NFL teams think about them and how highly they might go, which will just basically be a bet on talent and what you've seen at times because it's certainly not going to be based on anything that we saw this year. Nussmire was the highest graded senior prospect coming into the year for multiple, multiple teams.

And this isn't a, I know. I'm going to be 60 years old sitting on my stoop explaining to the neighborhood kids that junior Garrett Nussmeier was him. Like I like I my eyes weren't lying to me and I I don't know maybe somebody will write a deep dive on what the hell happened. This also is a great senior group. I think in my top 30, there's only three seniors, which is a little surprising. You know, usually we have more than that.

So I think so yeah, David Bailey for the past Russia from Texas Tech is the top senior. and then Mansour Delane, corner LSU, and then Sunny Stiles, linebacker Ohio State. I think those are the only three seniors that made the top 30.

So overall, this is a class that needs the underclassmen to make this a little more exciting class. Before we take our first break, do you have any, I'm going to move on from quarterback after this.

Do you have any other quarterback related thoughts you want to get off your chest? No, I mean, I do think that Mendoza has, you know, like you said, we thought he was a good quarterback prospect coming in. Even though he had not seen him take a snap in Indiana, we saw enough at Cal where it's like, all right, this is a first round player.

This is an NFL starter? Now, is he a low-end NFL starter, mid-level NFL starter, high-level NFL starter? That's what we're trying to figure out because I think we feel good about the floor with Mendoza, but what's the ceiling? That's where I think the hang-up is. And he's done everything he can this year. Now, against Penn State for three quarters, it didn't look great, you know, especially that second half interception that he had. But what he did on that final drive just is kind of points to a lot of things that you like about Mendoza.

The way he sees the field, his ability to understand where the FOID or where the vulnerable matchup is going to be pre-snap. And then just the poise that he had down the stretch. I mean, remarkable catch from Omar Cooper Jr., who, you know, how about our guy, Omar Cooper Jr., but Mendoza deserves credit for that. And so I still think we're questioning the ceiling and trying to feel good about what that Mendoza ceiling is. But I feel good enough about that floor where I was able to put him up a few spots compared to where I had him in August coming into the year.

I really love the poise that. I mean, obviously he showed a tremendous amount of poise on that drive in general. But to miss a big play in the slot at one point during that drive. and like especially with college the sack it started with a sack it's right you're so right like that's that's hard to like i don't know i mean most of us would have curl up in a ball and said all right i you know white flag but man he battled back i'd give him credit for that multiple things went wrong on that drive and i found myself thinking like oh that was that was your shot it's over now and and clearly that wasn't the case it was very impressive display of resilience i will say though we can't ignore that

the first three quarters like that is a part of his evaluation part of you know i don't want to make it sound like you know like because a lot of people are saying oh that was this high asman moment and well i mean yeah i mean i it one scout said well it's like he lit a uh a house on fire and then put it out himself to be the hero like it wasn't that drastic but uh you know like it there three quarters first three quarters did happen but sort of that fourth quarter and all of that matters in the the total evaluation the stuff the stuff you say and text versus the stuff you say like when you're officially evaluating you know i love the difference there i very quickly i'll just stand on my soapbox and say when we talk about guys that don't have a lot of starts

and i'm going back to tie simpson here because he's my guy uh typically you're talking about like oh well there's flashes of this and and and and single play examples of that i mean anthony Richardson is the poster boy for why this scares the bejesus out of you where it's like five snaps in a 60 snap game. He does something incredible and he's got like the the explosive run for a touchdown and he makes one throw that takes your breath away. And it's like, oh, but I just, I need that more often. And he just needs to get more reps. Ty Simpson does his thing every freaking week, man. And like the way that he plays quarterback, it's not about inconsistency or like flashes.

Like he's just consistently the way that he wins and the stuff that he does, like the way he diagnoses things, he makes the smart play, he can make the layered throw, he can lead his receiver, he can change his footwork in the pocket to get away from pressure. He is a plus athlete when it comes to moving. Like he can get you first downs with his feet. I don't want to be too effusive.

because I'm not trying to say this guy is a future all pro definitively, but he plays in a way that suggests that the light bulb is on, I guess is what I'm trying to say. And so like I understand that he hasn't played that many games, but I am, I am not, I'm not daunted by that at all, me personally. I love the fact that he has one interception and is, he's not a conservative throw. He's got one interception while ripping balls.

all over the field every week. He is not afraid to throw the ball into coverage where his receiver should end up being, not there yet, but he'll eventually get there. He is not afraid to throw it. And so he trusts his receivers and so far they have not let him down. Now, again, we're going to have this conversation with Julian San next year and we have it with every Alabama quarterback. You know, like the offensive lines playing well and he's got good receivers to throw to.

And yes, I get all of that. but this isn't a case of the supporting cast propping up a quarterback. This is a quarterback who is making throws and decisions down the field that are leading to big plays, extending drives. I really like what he's doing with his eyes. Like he's holding safeties and he understands what he needs to do with motion. He understands what in terms of man in zone. He understands, you know, how to work left to right.

Some of the hardest things to do for quarterbacks is a limited. things quickly. You know, because you know you want to go to a certain read, but guys linger and they lurk. But he is so quick to go left to right and understands the timing. Okay, that's not there. That's not there.

Boom. Hit my third read. You know, he'll get to the backside dig. He'll find that open receiver because he has such a good understanding of what the defense is trying to do and where in a vulnerable matchup is. And so, yeah,

I mean, a lot of it is mental. And that's, To your point, it's when you have a lack of starts and you don't have those in-game mental reps, it's tough to get those once you get to the NFL and everything is really, really hard. It already feels like he has an advantage in areas that don't come unless you have experience. And so it's just a really unique situation of a player because there's no denying. It gets fact.

He does not have many starts. And when you look at the last 10 years, there's just not anybody that's really. succeeded who was a high traffic and didn't have that many starts. So this would be an outlier and it's hard to bet on outliers. The Panthers bet on an Alabama quarterback who was an outlier a couple years ago and that's not going well with Bryce Young. So I totally get the concerns, but I'm with you. I'm betting on the player I'm watching on film, what he's putting on tape and saying like this is a good football player because the process is there. It's not even just about the stats. it's about to process his operation of what he's doing and like okay that that translates oh so does that

that looks so all of that process is what gets me excited about tie simpson he plays like he has the answer sheet to the test and i don't know what that means for the next level but like i think people use a lack of starts as um a way of saying that he's not 100% sure what he's doing and that's just that's not what i see when i watch the guy um but so very, very excited to see him at the top of your list. We'll see where it goes as this. I mean, it's really going to start ramping up here now that, you know, the draft order is coming into focus and people are paying closer attention to this stuff. I'm excited to see where it goes. All right, that is, I think I said I was going to be done with quarterbacks seven minutes ago, but we are done

with quarterbacks now. We got 46 other guys to talk about on the top 50. We'll do that on the other side of this break. All right, Dane, we talked, I mean, two huge risers at the top. of this thing. Fernando Mendoza also rises into the top 10 and then our guy Carnell Tate jumps up 21 spots from the preseason top 50 to be a top 10 prospect. Other than that though, very, very chalky at the top of your pre at the top of your top 50 when you look and see, you know, Caleb Downs rises one spot into the top three. Keldrick Falk out of Auburn is still hanging out here as your top rated edge. Jeremiah Love officially a top five prospect in this draft class for you. And then you see some other guys, Jordan Tyson still hanging around here, as well as Jermad

McCoy, which I wanted to ask you about that, a Tennessee cornerback who has yet to play this year still a top 10 prospect. So a lot of stuff for as many unexpected as we have, a lot of the guys that you felt good about handing into the season are still playing at that level for you. Yeah, and I think that this is a, this is a draft. We're just tough in the top five to top seven. You know, I don't feel great. This top 10 is, this top 10 is tough, isn't it?

It is. And, you know, it's relative to other years where, you know, I think it's pretty clearly like, oh, okay, Pena Sewell's in this draft and Patrick Cirtan's in this draft and Jamar Chase. Like, these are all clearly top 10 players and like some years are easier than others. this year is definitely a little bit tougher. I, you know, like I don't, I'm not going to necessarily put positional value, factor that into like a top 50. Like obviously that'll show up in a mock draft.

But for this, you know, Caleb Downs is one of the best football players in this draft. And so, yeah, I'm perfectly fine putting him at three while also knowing he is not a top 10 lock in this draft because of just the way the NFL has told us they draft safeties. Jeremiah Love at number five, he might not be a top 10. 10 lock based off of there's always so many teams they're going to draft a running back. And there's a decent chance. One of those would maybe not be in the top 10. So Jeremiah Love could definitely fall.

So but at the end of the day, these are really good football players and really good prospects. Keldrick Falk is a little bit tough because the way Auburn uses him, like they don't ask him to just go attack. And so the stats are never going to look great with him. But man, the traits are exciting. And he's one of the youngest players in the draft. And so I'm not, like, is he playing up to a guy that should go top five? I don't, I can't definitively say that.

But I'm still betting on those traits. And especially compared to some of the other players in this draft. But I am a lot more encouraged by some of these receivers. And, you know, you mentioned Cardinal Tate, Jordan Tyson's still wide receiver one holding on to that. I mean, a hamstring injury is pretty much the only thing that has slowed him down this year. now we'll see without his quarterback how he'll finish this year at Arizona State. The tackles have not, you know, we had some promise for the tackles.

That hasn't lived up to it. Spencer. I'd go as far as to say the offensive tackles are some of the across the board. Across the board, there's some of the biggest fall fallers on this list. So yes, Spencer Fano, not a huge drop, but he goes from 8 to 11 in your updated list. Caden Proctor, a guy that we've talked about, a ton, falls to 18 from the preseason number three spot. So again, still a good football player, but not living up to what you were hoping to see heading into the season. The other Utah tackle, Caleb Lomu, is one of the biggest fallers in this thing.

He falls to number 41 down 26 spots. Scouts expect him to go back. So I don't, he might be a guy that we're not even, don't have to work. worry about this draft cycle. And he should go back. He is a redshirt sophomore tackle with a ton of promise, but man, he needs to get stronger.

And usually guys that need to get stronger, you don't usually see that happen at the next level. So hopefully he goes back to Utah, gets stronger. And we're talking about him as a potential first rounder next year. But yeah, to your point, I think we had a lot of hope for this tackle class.

And it's just, I don't think it's played out. I mean, our Miami right tackle is going to be a guard for some teams. Francis Maui Noah. For others. Yes. So it'll be,

it's for teams, because I know there are several teams hoping to see a tackle in this year's top 10. Maybe we see Fano go that high. It's definitely possible. But it's not going to be, there's no Joe Alt-level prospect this year. You know, it's not going to be like the year where we had Andrew Thomas

and, you know, who's our Iowa tackle now with the bucks? Tris and Worf's. Yeah. Yeah, we're not going to have that level of a tackle class this year. That helps not coming for teams. What I'm hearing and what I'm just seeing when I look at this, I'm looking forward to it.

I feel like this could be disappointing for fans of teams that have a big pick or, or, you know, one of the themes of this year's draft is looking like it's going to be teams that have a lot of picks. I think like there's four teams with multiple first round picks right now. I don't want to say it's lacking. because like Arvel Reese is amazing and Ruben Bain has had a phenomenal season and we're excited about the receivers. But the easiest way to do this, like the most elementary way to look at a draft class is

you're like, all right, where are the pass rushers, where are the receivers, where are the corners and obviously throw in quarterback. And okay, so you said scouts are looking at this as a two quarterback draft. I'd love to know what scouts are thinking about like who they're excited when it comes to the premium position. Like who gets you outside of maybe Arvel Reese and I'll throw in Ruben Bain too. Like who gets your juices flowing at the big, big money positions? Because it's easy to say don't draft Jeremiah Love or Caleb Downs too quickly because of the

position they play. But if they're head and shoulders better than an edge prospect or a corner prospect, it's going to lead to some fun conversations for us. Yeah. And I think that's that's kind of the issue with this class is, you know, you talk to scouts that are West Coast scouts and all right, you know, who do you think is the best

guy in your area? And it's like, well, thought it was going to be Fano, but he hasn't looked like a top 10 pick. So, but I still, I guess it's him because there's nobody else. You know, you talk to Southeast scouts who are an SEC country and

it's like, okay, well, it's kind of an off year for Georgia, you know, really like C.J. Allen. Kristen Miller is a good defensive tackle. He'll be a solid rotational defensive alignment for a lot of years. But there's not that one or two. There's no, you know, Jalen Walker and McKell Williams and, you know, the freaks that Georgia usually puts out. So, you know, I think just, yeah, it is a draft that might not be as top heavy. And I don't think it's any, I've mentioned this before, but I don't think it's any coincidence why a team like the Jets were perfectly fine taking 20, 27 first round picks because they're looking at next year and I get it.

It's cliche to say, oh, just wait for next year's draft. Like it's, it could set every year. It was said about this draft. I am, I am officially, I am becoming like blackpilled on the wait for next year's class thing. And it sucks because I'm sitting here looking at this and I've been following along all year. I'm with you every week. I am not crazy wowed by what this draft class looks like so far.

but I can't just every year be like wait for the next guys because this was supposed to be a class like that like this we did this last year. I feel like we do this. You're right. We do this every year. And you know, I saw somebody. I don't even remember who said it. So I'm not even trying to single anybody out. But people people are like, oh, well, Jeremiah Smith is in next year's class. And that's great. Jeremiah Smith is the man. But people are like, don't forget about Ryan Williams. And I'm like, have you watched Ryan Williams this year? Like he's a good player, but are we giving up capital in this draft class for that? Like I have a feeling that the reality of every draft class is just going to be a little bit more disappointing than we want to believe a year ahead of time.

Unless, you know, every decade or so, you're going to get a 2021 or a 2011. I get that. But for the most part, I'm starting to think it's overrated. And I think that's fair But I do think that's Okay, just talking about 2027 guys Like Dylan Stewart at South Carolina You know, like he would be

He might be number one in his class If he were eligible Like Leonard Moore at Notre Dame He looks legit at corner So it feels like there are definitely In terms of guys that you think are top 10 players It feels like there's more of those guys next year But this draft I mean I like

I like the talent in this top 50. It's just I struggled with, you know, one through seven, you know, feeling great about those guys early. But, you know, I look at, you know, Kenyan Sadiq at 17 or, you know, Mackay Lemon at 20, C.J. Allen at 24. You know, and I think this year we haven't had as many, well, I guess that's not true. We've had some risers.

You know, Arvel Reese is the prime example. Maybe there's still an Armand Membu out there that we have. necessarily, you know, because Armand Membue, for me, I did not watch him until it was, it was Thanksgiving last year, because I didn't know that he was coming out. Like I, I knew that Missouri had this really talented underclassman, but I had not got to him yet. And then I got word that, hey, he's going to announce this week. He's coming out. I was, all right, I'll finally get to him. And I was like, all right, yep, this is a first round player. And, you know, and I remember, I remember that day tweeting it and texting Brandon Thorne and being like, dude, you got to watch

this guy because he's awesome. So maybe we'll have one of those guys this year. You know, Brandon Cesey from the corner from South Carolina, he's been one of those guys where he wasn't on my radar coming into the year, but he started to get some buzz with scouts and checking them out. I'm like, all right, this guy is a legit athlete. He's got cover skills. NC State transfer. There's a lot of talent here. So Brandon Cese, boom, shoots off the board. But I think, So overall, this is a decent draft. It's just not very top heavy.

Let's, okay, two positions exemplify this, I think. And I mentioned I wanted to talk about one of them. Let's talk about corner. Just looking through your list right now. Okay, I mentioned Jermad McCoy. Again, coming back from an injury, hasn't had a 20, 25 season to speak of. And then a lot of these other corners and Avion Terrell falls a little bit, but still after he was 16 before the season, he's 21 right now still plenty, plenty good.

And then we start talking about newcomers, newcomers. You mentioned Mansour Delane coming in at number 19. You just mentioned Brandon Cise, newcomer to the list at 25 for South Carolina. Colton Hood, the other Tennessee cornerback at number 34. I think that's it for cornerback. But yeah, like there's definitely, there's a grab bag of guys here in, in starting at number nine and going to number 34, A, talk to me about McCoy and what that optimism looks like

and then help me sort through the rest of these guys. And it's such an important position. I got to believe you're going to have a few guys go in the first round. How do you think that stacks up at this point with whatever it is, three, four games to play? Yeah, it's always tough when you're dealing with injuries to at this point in the process. we'll get more clarity on the recovery process. And the thing with Jermond McCoy, his injury happened in January.

So he should be full go for the draft process. You know, so we'll have a 40 on him. We'll have testing information. And so that will, and obviously the medical evaluation. So by the time March gets here, we'll have a good idea. Like we will feel more confident about where we're putting Jermon McCoy. So right now, I just feel like there's no reason. to, like, I'm just going to go based off the 2024 tape.

You know, it'll play itself out based off of the testing and the medical information and all that stuff that we're going to get in the spring. But based off the 2024 tape, I feel comfortable putting him right there at nine, top 10 potential player. And based off of the information that comes out, I'm going to inch him up and down. So McCoy is just kind of like a holding pattern where 2024 tape says that's where he should be. Now, a guy like Caleb Banks, who was the top top.

20 and he was 19 coming into the year. Yeah, he was a defensive tackle from Florida. He was one of your biggest fallers. And yeah, I mean, he got injured in September and, and has, I don't think he played a healthy game this entire year. So I'm sure. He played like half of the LSU game, I think it was. Yeah.

I mean, he, he came back. I think he like re-agravated his injury in the loss to South Florida. He tried to go against LSU and it just didn't work out. So like, not only has he not had much of a season, but the times he was on the field. were hampered by injury as well. Right. So like in his case, he was a faller because his preseason ranking was based, a lot of was based on projection.

It's like, okay, I really like this guy's talent. And I think he's going to ascend as a senior. So I'm going to bump him up in my preseason rankings. All right. Well, obviously that's not going to happen with him injured. So I'm bumping him back down to the original grade based off his 2024 tape, which is more of a second rounder, a guy that still is a really talented guy.

and, you know, 6, 6, over 300 pounds, 35-inch arms, really disruptive, and there's a lot going for him, but the inconsistencies are going to put him more towards the bottom of the top 50 rather than the top half. So, again, it's always tough with injuries at this point in the calendar where we just don't have clarification. But back to the corners, Delane, no, it's, when he starts to get picked apart at the combine for the arm length and the 40, just, throw on the tape and you know like and you've been the president of this yeah let me just i try not to

go for i try i try not to be too selfish about my lSU diploma i try to leave that at the door i know i don't always do a good job but i try to i just want to know and this is a sincere question because like if if i was confident that delane was going to have better measurables and stuff i would be pounding the table for him to be a top 10 prospect. Like I think his performance on the field has been that good. So my question for you is just how high do you think his ceiling is when all of that stuff starts happening? And it sucks to admit, I really do think cornerback is a position where the underwear

Olympics kind of matter, man, like your straight line speed and your change of direction and how long your arms are. Like it matters at corner more than it matters for a lot of positions. So how much do you think that stuff will hinder him in the long run once we get to that part of the process? I think because some teams just have really strict parameters about size and speed of that position. So, you know, when his arms are not over 31 inches, okay, he's not going to be a first round pick for several teams. That that's what that's what they want. And so now a team that doesn't have those strict parameters could love him and take him 14.

14th overall. You know, like that's definitely possible. But when the pool of potential landing spots starts to dwindle, that's where the odds of going top 20 start to go down with a corner like this, who the tape is really, really good. But, you know, he's 511, 190 pounds, shorter arms, and the speed is good, not great. But again, I'm going to trust the tape because this is a good football player. He, I could not keep him out of the top 20 of my rankings. But for some teams, that's just how the case will be. And we have to mention Avian Terrell and this as too as well, because he is not a bigger corner. He is a smaller guy. And there are times when, you know, as aggressive and violent as he plays, he's just, he does look small at times

on film. And that will be an issue for for some teams. And so both Delane and Terrell are going to be tough for some teams that have those strict size parameters at the position. put the good football player on my team. And like I said, I think Corner is a position where Yeah, Stopwatch position.

I think you have to keep that stuff in mind when you're talking about like a top 10, top 15 pick. But first round, back into the first round, yeah, I'm good, I'm good trusting the tape there.

Can I ask you, who was the guy on this list who surprised you the most, either because he was so high or because he was, too low or maybe just was very different than what you thought it would be or if there was a guy like that. To be honest with you, the one that jumped out at me, most I've already brought up because Jermad McCoy, it scares the shit out of me to just go off of last year's tape. And kind of

what we were talking about is like, yeah, it's easy to get excited about a guy from a year ago and just and just trust that the progress is going to be linear and he's going to be better. But we're sitting here talking about how that hasn't been the case for a ton of good football players. So that one scares me a little bit. And that one kind of made my eyebrows raise if I'm being totally honest with you. Yeah. And I think that's, again, that's a case where we'll have good answers before the draft.

So, you know, if he say he chooses not to work out at the combine, all right, that's not going to help him. You know, like we have to see him out there moving, looking like the athlete we saw in the 2024 film for him to hold on to that ranking in the top 10 where I have him. So we'll have time to figure that out and feel better about where exactly to put him. The rest of the, to be honest with you, it's it's fun talking to you every week and then seeing your thought process because when you're going through this, the updated top 50, you just start seeing a lot of names that that you've talked about.

Your guard from Penn State is right here, debuting at 28 overall. Amari Washington right behind him made the cut at 30th overall. I did see Cassius Howell 35 overall. And again, that's a position where measurables and arm length and bend and all that stuff is going to come into play. But I'm fascinated by that conversation where there's a lot of,

lot of reasons to suggest a guy with Howells build might get dinged, but you watch Texas A&M play and it's kind of like, yeah, I think I want that guy on my team sooner rather than later. Yeah, Howell's tough because, yeah, he is a fun player. He's, you know, the burst off the ball, the way that he can, just the ankle flexion and he's put his foot in the ground, make a sharp turn around the corner, flat into the quarterback. Yeah, it's, he's a really, talented dude. And it shows up on tape. It shows up with his production. I just, I need to see more out of him than just being a high side rusher. You know, like, I want to just, I want to see him make some better plays in the run game. Like, I don't think he's a better prospect than like,

say, Nolan Smith was coming out of Georgia. And Nolan Smith went in the late first round. So, you know, like, that's just frame a reference. That's kind of where how I've got him as more of a, a second round grade, a guy trying to get into that first round, and, you know, maybe he'll end up there when it's all said and done. But, you know, he's 6-2-250 shorter arms. Like, you know, the athleticism should be good at the combine. Like, he should test well. But, yeah, I think he's, he's going to be looked at as a DPR for, you know, several teams. And that just, that won't be a fit for what they're looking for in, you know, the top 25, top 30. A couple more points to hit before we're done here. but we're going to take our second break real quick.

A couple of the things I wanted to hit on with you, Dane, and this goes back to the conversation we were just having about the quality of the draft class as a whole and maybe the depth of it, even if the top 10 or so isn't as star studded as some years we remember. And we've hit on this before, but your top 50 really throws it into contrast, which is that the receiver class has given us,

some stuff to be excited about, right? And we talked about that before the season, like, who's going to step up other than maybe Jordan Tyson and really excite us as a prospect? And your answer is a lot of guys. We already mentioned Carnell Tate jumping up into the top 10 of your updated top 50. Mackay Lemon, who Dane has loved throughout this process, a 16 spot jump into the top 20, a newcomer, my guy, Denzel Boston at 22 overall. And that, You talk about names that surprise me. This was a good surprise where it's kind of like, man, I really, I love the guy up at Washington, but do I love him too much?

And then I see you put him at 22 and I'm like, all right, I'm on the right track here. This is great. Casey Concepcion out of Texas A&M is another newcomer. Chris Bell falls a little bit, but he's still here. Jeremy Bernard joins the list. So what? I think at the end of the day, you either had six or seven in your top 50, which maybe that's not surprising with how many good receivers tend to hit the draft every year. But considering that there was

a little bit of uncertainty, it is fun that so many guys are putting good stuff on tape. And like I am excited about this receiver class when in August I wasn't sure if I would be. Yeah. And they're all different too. Like they offer some different things like McKay Lemon and Denzel Boston are ranked pretty close together. But they do very different things. And Boston's interesting because he's more of that traditional X receiver where, you know, he will win at the catch point. He doesn't need a ton of separation. It's got that my ball mentality. And I think he's his quarterback is young and got potential, but he's at the end of the day, I think an inaccurate quarterback.

And so he's having to rescue a lot of throws. He's putting that on tape where you see the tracking, you see the catch radius. but he's also not a guy that is going to create a ton of separation. He lacks suddenness out of his brakes and not necessarily a burner who's just going to separate easily versus man. So when he has face press, I think he's been a little bit mixed with just getting off that press coverage. And that's something that a lot of college corners struggle with when they get the next level. But Boston is, you know, can work inside outside. There's a lot to like about him.

But he's very different than what McKaylemon offers or Casey can say. or, you know, we've talked about Chris Bell quite a bit. But yeah, the receiver position is, you know, teams are always going to look for those explosive options at receiver. And I definitely feel a lot more optimistic about this group than what maybe we thought about this group coming in. A lot of these guys have hit at a, you know, hit their high expectations or even exceeded it.

Carnal Tate definitely being, you know, one of the prime examples of that where it's, for a taller receiver. He's very deliberate and detailed and, you know, he missed Purdue because they said some tightness before the game. Hopefully that's not something that pops up because Ohio State needs him the rest

of the year for them to beat Michigan, go to the Big Ten championship game and then the playoffs. And selfishly, I just want to see Cardinal Tate see how he finishes as strong as his first half of the year has been. But yeah, overall, this receiver class has been a lot of fun.

This is a hard question to answer, but I love putting you on the spot, so I don't care. And I know, like a top 50 board is not, it's not a mock draft. And you don't have grades on these guys that you're making public right now anyway. But you have six receivers in your top 32. And like I said, I know this isn't a mock draft. And I know that, you know, quarterbacks and other positions are going to get drafted out of whack and kind of change the math here. but for a for a class that we had a lot of questions about coming in i mean it it sounds like there should be a fair number of guys that could go in the first round part of that is what we just

mentioned how the receiver class i think is playing better than we expected um part of it is just the lack of other positions really stepping up and like you know like like we said the tackles have not uh like you know coming into the year we had high hopes for uh drew shes from Penn State because of the athlete that he was. But he just, he doesn't play with power. He plays way too soft. Like I could not,

it wasn't even a conversation about putting him in this top 50. Isaiah World at Oregon, you see traits, but why does he have so much bad tape? You know, like there's just, there's things about a lot of the tackles that just have not played out the way we thought.

And really, you can go position by position about guys that were in that, initial top 50 that just have not lived up to it. And maybe some of those guys can finish strong and get back up into this top 50. But for the most part, other positions that have struggled, it's been the opposite with receivers. And so I think that plays a part where maybe some guys have dropped out of the top 32, top 35, where the receivers have pushed their way up board. Is this going to be a draft where people are trying to sell themselves on inconcernment,

or underwhelming players at more important positions. And I'm sitting here pulling my hair out because less important players are better overall or have at least played better overall to this point. And I know part of this is about projection, right? Like you're not a finished product in college, even if you're the best prospect ever. I get that. But that's tough for me to square. Like I, maybe I'm a coward, but I'm more comfortable taking the more complete picket

sure. Maybe that's why I'm not a decision maker, but that's what it feels like you're telling me. Yeah, I think people have to remember the word prospect and the word player are not synonyms. Two different things. And, you know, that's when you talk about the draft, you talk about prospects, that that's what I deal with where it's, you know, okay, I'm watching film to watch players, but I'm grading them as prospects. It's not what they are. It's what you think they're going to be and grow into and really isolating the traits and understanding, okay, this will translate well. And, but, you know, that'll happen every year with every draft where a player that doesn't have the production is still drafted early.

And, you know, we don't know until maybe three years down the road if that was the right move or not. But yeah, this year, like, you know, Caden Proctor is going to be really interesting because, you know, the left tackle from Alabama had a rough start of the year, started to fix it a little bit, but it's still been up and down where, I mean, you can throw on every tape, and this is true for most offensive linemen, but you can throw on every tape, and there's going to be times where it just, he looks stressed.

He looks like he's thinking way too much about hitting his landmarks, and he's just, he's not playing at the high level we know he's capable of playing, but you just don't find 360 pounds with his mix of explosiveness and power and just overall ability. And so Caden Proctor is a guy that some teams or some scouts look at him and say, yeah, I think he's, you know, I feel comfortable with him as a second round guard. Others look at him and say he's going to go. He's going to be a top 15 pick because of all these tools that, you know, his best football is ahead of him and he'll continue to get better and better and better. So, yeah, it's not just germane to this draft.

It's going to be something that happens every draft where teams will focus on traits more so than, hey, this is just a really good football player in college. college. A couple quick questions I wanted to ask you before we get out of here. I think it's, it's worth mentioning the number one prospect from your preseason top 50. That would be Peter Woods at Clemson. He falls to 13th in your update, which I'll be, I'll be very honest with you. I haven't seen a ton of Clemson football since the first two, three weeks of the season when it kind of became obvious that they were not the team we thought they were clearly not falling too far in your estimation, but where do, where do things stand for him? What have you seen from him, you know, for a guy that had headed into the season as your number one overall guy?

And I'll just throw T.J. Parker in this mix, too, the defensive end from Clemson, who was, I think, like, ninth overall maybe in the top 50 coming in. Now he's 27th. So like both these guys, like you see, start with Woods. Like, you see for a guy that size, his, his, his movement skills and he will track down the football. Like there's just, it pops on every single tape, but he's just not making enough of an impact. Like it's just, it's not factoring into the success or failure of the play.

And so it's like, all right, I see you have the talent and the tools, but I need you to become more the sum of your parts and see how that plays out in, on a snap to snap basis. And so with Woods, talent is not a question with this player. It's just what is the overall impact of how he impacts the game?

And that is tough to kind of reconcile the two. T.J. Parker, you know, you see size, you see length. He will force his way to the pocket. But another guy that's just why, for a guy that was so productive the first two years at Clemson, his first two years, he combined for like 33 tackles for loss, I think. This year, it's just not even close to that. Like, it's just the production has not been there. and it's hard to how much,

because you don't just ignore what he did his first two years, but you can't ignore what he's doing now as a junior. And so it makes it tough with these two Clemson defensive linemen who are clearly talented, but it's just not showing up on the stat sheet, and it's not showing up consistently on tape. Before we get out of here, one last one for you. And the top 10 kind of speaks for itself.

Yeah, I don't think at this point, I'm going to ban you from saying Arvill. Ries. You're not allowed. You're not allowed to say that. The fact that he's number one on this list speaks for itself. Among other guys, who's kind of your guy? Like the guy that you're excited about,

maybe you think they could rise even higher as we go or you just love watching them. Like who are your guys on this list not counting R. VL. Reese. Mackayette Lemon definitely falls in that category. He's just a good football player. like I just think he's a winner. I'm really intrigued

with Brandon Cise, the South Carolina corner just because the cover talent and the athleticism is really awesome. So I think he's a guy that you know, just stock up with him. I'm glad I

I didn't think I'd have a second running back in this top 50. But watching that Notre Dame offense, Jadarian Price, man, he deserves to be in this top 50 because of he just gets overshadowed by Jeremiah Love. I mean, obviously the Jeremiah Love is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. The explosiveness is just, it's so much fun.

And that's why he's so high on this top 50. But man, Price, he might actually be better in terms of vision, patience, tempo. Like he might be better than love in those areas. He's just not the athlete that love is not. But he's still a good athlete. And, you know, that's why he's averaging over six yards of character. That's why he has two, I think three kick return touchdowns in his career at Notre Dame. So special teams impact as well.

So I'm glad that found space for Judarian Price on here. Got to mention Jay Gold Day too, right? I mean, he's been a guy. I've been talking up all year. You sure have. Yeah, he's someone that earned his spot on this top 50. So, yeah, there's a lot of guys that, you know, I feel really. good about that maybe we're surprises or just played better than we expected.

But yeah, guys that I'm happy to stamp with, you know, kind of my approval through this process. I'm really proud of myself for bucking my own conventions here. Because like I have a longstanding thought that and I know it's been proven wrong, but just in general, edge is a position where I'm like you either have the traits to go high or, I'm not interested basically. Like I said, I know that's a flawed thought process, but that's typically how I feel. But looking at your top 50,

and I'm not doing anything for my SEC Homer allegations here, but the flawed SEC edge rushers at the back end of your top 50 are all very fun players. Like we've talked about Zion Young. We already talked about Cassius Howell here today. Are Mason Thomas also an incredibly fun player? Like there's a lot of edge rushers at the back end of this thing that I get really excited to watch. And like every week I see them do something cool.

And I don't typically feel that way. I've got an eye on that. That's exciting. Have you watched Quincy Rhodes at Arkansas? I mean, I mean, there's not a reason to watch Arkansas's defense. I was about so I know he's on the list. All I know about Arkansas's defense is that they are impossibly bad. So I am, please tell me more about.

what he's doing that makes him stand out because I imagine that is hard to do on that unit. 6-6-275, a big, big man, long, and he has better movement skills than you would expect for that size. And so he'll break out a spin move. He'll try to work high side. But it's really just he will overpower blockers at times with that length. And he'll line up inside, he'll line up outside. And so I think it's just, this is a guy with an NFL body, still learning how to use all of those talents in unison to be a more cohesive, efficient pass rusher. But it's just hard to find guys that size that have his talent.

And so that's why, you know, he's, he belongs in this top 50. And I think he's, he's on the rise. That's what Building the Beast is all about is the idea that an NFL top 50 caliber prospect is playing on one of the, worst defenses in college football. I mean, if you turn on Arkansas on a given week, they're giving up 35 plus points. But that does not mean that they don't have talent on their roster. Love it. Second in the SEC and tackles for loss, I think, with 14.

So it's not just traits. I mean, it's showing up in the stat sheet as well. He's going to give LSU's offensive line hell on Saturday. I promise you. But I mean, everybody gives LSU's offensive line hell. So that's okay. Wonderful look at your top. 50 Dane. Please, if you haven't, make sure you go give it a look. We'll be referencing it for

the rest of the season until we update this once again. Plenty more college football left on deck. We got plenty more in store for y'all. Like I've said before, now that the draft order is starting to take shape, we want to incorporate that into our coverage a little bit as well now that we can kind of take educated guesses about what the top of the draft might look like. So please tell a tell a Jets fan tell a browns fan tell a dolphins fan tell a saints fan to come check out building the beast we'll be here next week until then for dane i am dave we appreciate it we'll talk to you all soon