The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - MNF Recap: Rams get right over Dart-less Giants

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

Week 2 was a stark departure from Week 1 for a number of teams, so it was fitting that the Los Angeles Rams and New York Giants put a bow on the week in the way that they did. Robert Mays, Derrik Klassen and Dave Helman recap the Rams' 28-6 win over the Giants on this episode of The Athletic Football Show.Join The Athletic Football Show Discord Server: https://discord.gg/bCyPFKASHost: Robert MaysCo-Hosts: Derrik Klassen and Dave HelmanExecutive Producer: Michael BellerSenior Producer: Katy DuffySocial Producer: Scott KrinchFollow Robert on Bluesky: @robertmays.bsky.socialFollow Derrik on Bluesky: @qbklass.bsky.socialFollow Dave on Bluesky: @davehelman.bsky.socialFollow Robert on X: @RobertMaysFollow Dave on X: @DaveHelman_Theme song: HauntedWritten by Dylan Slocum, Trevor Dietrich, Ruben Duarte, Kyle McAulay, and Meredith VanWoert / Performed by Spanish Love SongsCourtesy of Pure Noise / By arrangement with Bank Robber Music, LLC Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Athletic Football Show. I'm Robert Mays. Week two is all done. Monday night football in the books. The Rams take care of business against the New York Giants. Another quarterback injury that we're having to deal with. Thankfully, it sounds like Jackson Dart is going to be okay. We really didn't dig into the timeline during this conversation

just because it does seem like he's probably going to be back. Jordan or not from the SPN reported during the game. And Laura Rutwood, who I think did a really good job all game, giving us context about the dart injury, relayed that he tried to go back into the game. It doesn't sound like he's serious. Obviously, it doesn't sound serious. Obviously, he was on the sideline for a good chunk of the second half of that game. So it does sound like Jacksonard is going to be back sooner rather than later,

but still a bummer to lose him for the entirety of this game. And you really felt it for the Giants' offense. We dug into that, the return of Aaron Donald, a bounceback game for the Rams offense, and much, much more with me, Dave Hellman and Derek Classen. Let's get to it right now. Week two ends exactly as week two began. Can we just stop doing this? I'm so tired of this.

can we get through a game without one of the starting quarterbacks being helped off the field and us wondering when he's going to be back and how long he's going to be out and how sad that team's fan should be. This is nonsense. With the Giants specifically, did any team in the NFL have the most whiplash between week one and week two than the New York Giants? You look great on offense, feel great about your young quarterback. Congratulations. All of your most important players are going to limp off the field at some point in this game.

Because it was neighbors too. It wasn't like it wasn't just Jackson Dart. Like the Dart thing is one thing. It's a separate issue. Andrew Thomas limped off. Brian Burns got hurt at some point in this game. My God, it was a bloodbath. Burns couldn't get into the injury tent because Thomas was in there.

Like he had to wait for the end. Unbelievable. And that stuff happened later. You got to make reservations in the blue tent if you're the Giants. It's about a week in advance. There's something especially heinous about it happening on like the fourth play of the game or whatever it was for the Giants. It's like, you know, I mean, all injuries are terrible, especially quarterback injuries,

but at least Caleb got to the fourth quarter and Jaden Daniels got to the end of the half. Like this game, some people weren't even settled into their seats when this happened. And it just, I mean, it takes the air out of everything. It makes this game hard to evaluate. It makes it way less fun to watch. Just sucks. He was playing. I mean, they were driving the ball again after he looked really good in week one.

And, you know, I think they're really excited. just the staff there about what they've seen from him so far. And even you saw it on the first drive, the Greg Roman run game has so many checks and so many layers to it for the quarterback. He's handling all of that stuff. I mean, coming out of that week one game, I was really excited to watch him play again.

And then for that to be ripped away, the Jamest experience doesn't quite have the charm it did like 10 years ago. It's getting much worse. Yeah, we're done now. There was a stretch where, and we don't have to get into all of this, but there was a stretch where there was a certain enjoyment in watching him play just because there was an aggressiveness, there was a reckless abandon,

there was a, we're just going to chuck it down the field. I mean, 30 touchdown, 30 interception, James is not walking through that door. And so it really did suck the air out of this game to lose Dart when they did. James won 11 of 27 in this game. Malik neighbors finished with one catch for one yard, which I don't know how much of that is. we have to go back and watch. But Rams are playing a lot of man coverage.

They really did blanket the Giants' offense for most of this game. But the fact that the Jamis experience is still, the promise of it is supposed to be, will still feed the guys that you want to see Fed. And Malik neighbors had one catch for one yard by the time this game ended. How much of that is on the Giants' offense and how much of that is because of the injury, I can't really say at this point. I would just say that Trent McDuffie seemed like he did a hell of a freaking job on him, though. I mean, two huge moments in this game were Trent McDuffian coverage on Malik neighbors.

He got the better of them on the end zone interception. Certainly plenty of that is on the throw by James Winston. But then the breakup that he had on the deep ball was just an incredibly fun play. And we talked about it after the Rams opener about just the physicality and the size of these corners. And that's why you go out and get these guys. And I was thinking about that on that play where neighbors was. looking for a flag, there was so much contact, but I just, I thought it was good, sturdy contact by a big physical DB. And so maybe, no, not maybe. It definitely looks better with Jackson Dart,

even if the result is similar. But I do think, I think Trent McDuffie had a hell of a night, too. He was following neighbors in this game. They had 21 plays where they were lined up across from each other on those plays. Three targets, no catches for Blake neighbors on those plays. So yeah, you're right. Trent McDuffie does deserve a lot of credit. for that. But overall, just a pretty lifeless performance from the Giants offense, essentially from the moment we lost Jackson Dart. And it feels like so much of the promise to with the offense was not even just what Dart had looked like in the passing game, obviously, but I think part of why the run game works, and they've been under center a lot and like it's a lot of dot

formation stuff in their run game. But part of the run game promise was that you could have Jackson Dart, even if just as like a fake, faint threat in the shotgun and the fact that that immediately is you know, pulled out of the offense and they have to go to James. James Winston, who, other than the fact that I guess these quarterbacks are both willing to push the ball and be a little bit aggressive, there's really nothing similar about Jackson Dart and James Winston other than some of their reckless abandoned. And so having to switch gears like that in the middle of this game with neighbors, clearly not at 100%. He gets banged up. It's just like they did feel pretty lifeless after a certain point. On Placer, he was pressured.

Jamis finished three of 15 for 54 yards in this game. It's bringing to the table. I'm glad you brought that up, Maze. Do you have NextGen pulled up right now? I haven't pulled up right now. What were the Rams pressure numbers? 15% for Matthew Stafford. No, but what were their numbers on James?

Like how often were- 59%? He was pressured 59% of his dropbacks. The stat that I had was so low. I was like, there's no way that's right. Because the minute the Rams got ahead by enough that the Giants had to throw, It just felt like James was under siege.

I mean, every single piece of the Rams front was just doing whatever they wanted to those guys. So I figured it was high, but I'm glad to get confirmation. And his like, he had some plays where he's holding onto the ball a little bit, but it didn't feel like every single play like he was holding onto it. It really did feel like they were just getting to him pretty quickly. Like the promise of the Rams having a bunch of waves in this game, even without Miles Garrett, I think you saw it tonight. I mean, even on, like, I hate to, like, talk about it with this play.

But, like, the dart play, like, it's Josiah Stewart who's, like, winning around the edge and beating Andrew Thomas. It's like, that's what you hoped for is that your guys off the bench even would be really, really good on this front. They had four guys to finish with two quick pressures each. Byron Young, Josiah Stewart, Braden Fiske, and Tyler Davis. And then Donald and McDuffey, each added one. Donald got double-teamed on 39% of his past rush plays.

In his first game in two years. They have not seen him play and they were like we're not going to be the team that gets embarrassed first. By the way, I think it was Joe Buck during this game said that he's 280 right now. Bullshit.

He's like 260 right now. He was probably never 280 when he was playing really. He wasn't and that's the dirty secret is that he played at a much lower weight than he was listed and he was still wrecking. And so the idea of, that he's 280 right now is very funny. He is not, I would bet some money.

He is not 280. And that doesn't take away from what he could potentially be. Because when he was playing a couple years ago, that was not his week eight weight while he was the best defensive player in football, which speaks to just how absolutely ridiculous and one of one all-time freak show Aaron Donald actually is. The fact that the most dominant defensive tackle both of his generation and arguably that we have ever seen was playing at 40 pounds. less, 35 pounds less

than the average player at that position in the NFL. And was 35% better than almost all of them? He also, I remember, it happened like very shortly after I saw somebody posted his stats online. We're just like, you know, he doesn't have a tackle,

he doesn't have a pressure as of yet. And immediately he was in on that TFL in short yardage where him and Cam Curl just shot in and took the back down in the backfield. And like, A,

the fact that we're like impatiently like tapping our wrist watches in his first game back in two years like, hey, do something incredible, idiot. And then he did it like right after that. It was pretty awesome. I had a lot of fun of time.

He hasn't played football. He hasn't played any football in three years. That's the thing. What an unbelievable legacy that you could not play this sport for two years. And we expect we kind of expected him to like be pretty hot out of the gate. And I think all things. considered, he did play like a pretty good game for having not played this sport for two years. He's unbelievable. He'll ramp up. And it's, he played a decent amount of snaps in this game.

I don't know what the final number was. I can get it for you guys really quickly. So over the course of this game, he did finish with 32 snaps. And you look at the defensive line rotation overall. That's him and Kobe Turner played the exact same number of snaps. 28 for Braden Fiske, 22 for Tyler Davis. And so it really does seem like it's just going to be a rotation among all of those guys. And I would not be surprised if we saw him ramp up, even if it's not in playing time, just in quality, that we feel him more over the course of these games.

Because I think that is the element of this that we probably just haven't talked or considered enough, the fact that he hasn't just a feel of what it's like to be back out there hitting people, taking on blocks. Like that's just stuff that's going to be impossible to replicate, especially in the very short time that he's been practicing. And so I expect that we will have. louder games from Aaron Donald, even if, like you said, Derek, this was a worthwhile return and a pretty decent performance, all things considered.

Anything else on this side of the ball that you guys want to sit with before we move on? I do think it's notable that the Rams played as much man coverage in this game as they did. It's not necessarily surprising. Obviously, you just have a lot less overall movement and moving parts to consider. I mean, teams don't play man against the Niners for a reason. I mean, just the amount of motion that you're getting, having to deal with McCaffrey, there are really two players,

and I don't have the numbers specifically on this, but anecdotally, when you look at coverage rates around the NFL and how teams approach certain offenses with certain players, the two guys that make man coverage pretty much a no-go when they've been at their best or just have been featured pieces within offenses have been Tyree Kill and Christian McCaffrey.

Like those are the two guys that when those are, and they happen to be in the offenses that use the most motion. so it's a double whammy. Like when teams were playing against the dolphins, there was not a lot of man coverage against Tyree Kill. When teams were playing against the Chiefs, there was not a lot of man coverage against Tyree Kill. And same for the Niners.

And so to see the Rams ramp it up in this game probably gives us a truer sense of their intentions and how they want to play after making those moves a corner than what they did against the Niners. And I don't know if it was just because of the plan or them just feeling better rested, whatever it's going to be. I just thought the DBs looked better.

overall. Like McDuffie was. Quint Lake. Quentin Lake is the bigger gap between what we saw in week one and two than anybody else on that defense. Quentin Lake was horrendous in week one. And part of that is like the Niners clearly have an unbelievable plan for what they're going to do with Mike Evans and he was cooking him in that sense. But like the fact that Quentin Lake looked like the linchpin middle of the defense piece that we thought he was going to look like on top of the corners looking like what you paid for. And again, like, I think with an 80% neighbors who even got banged up in this game and the rest of the Giants receiving core, we'll see how well. that plays out over the course of the season.

But the fact that already they've proven that this is something they can go to, it's, again, how much it's going to matter after doing it against this team? I don't know. I don't think they could have even really done this last year with the corners that they had. With Kobe Durant, the manual Forbes being your starting guys, like, it just wasn't going to work, I don't think.

It's the last thing you want to do. You have to play the exact opposite way with those guys. And so, again, I just, I think people were confused and a little bit, it was a curious outing in week one when they didn't play much man coverage considering the moves that they made it corner. But again, I wasn't surprised because it was the Niners. And so do they play it 50% of the time

the way that they did tonight moving forward? I would say, I would guess probably not. My assumption is it probably lands somewhere between what we saw in week one and what we saw tonight. But this was an example and I think a declaration from Krishula that they're not going to be afraid to do it when the situation calls for it. On the other side of the ball,

the Rams offense looks like the Rams offense without Pooka Nakua. Devante Adams, Matthew Stafford to Devante Adams is just very, not even quietly, but is just a connection between two of the coolest players who played in the NFL over the last 15 years. That touchdown is, it just in that moment, I was just like, oh, yeah, these are two of the coolest dudes that have played professional football in the last decade. Which one? Because they were both pretty sick. The first one. The first one was so disgusting. But I loved the fade too.

But yeah, the first one was better. The fade is just what they, that's been their red zone. for the last two seasons, even when Ruketaku has been playing. The cool part of that is, like, as soon as he threw it up, you're just like, got it, like in the bag, like cash it. It's just like the fact that the connection feels like that when they're inside the 10. Like that, that part is pretty special. Is he the best Red Zone receiver of all time that's not taller than like 6'4?

I mean, the stats are hard to argue with. even if you disagree. JSN currently is pretty nuts. That's a good one. We talked about that today. We talked about that today. He's pretty good. He too, like,

I feel like it's a little bit different. Devante is very different. The way they do it is so different. On like the fades and just like the quick release stuff, Devante's better. I feel like JSN is somehow always open in the back of the end zone. Like on the back line, he's just always open.

And so I guess it's a little bit different. But like, he really is like the best just fade ball or bullet slant winner for, again, a guy who's not, like he's not small, but he's not, Mike Evans. And so it is a pretty fun distinction. The Discord folks are going to love hearing this.

And yeah, hearing some JSN love on the hangover tomorrow. Oh, we did like the whole show on that. We were levitating. We were levitating today talking about JSN levitating. That's what the entire conversation was between me and Derek about the game that JSN had yesterday. All right, before we move on, let's take a quick break. The other elements of the offense, aside from that connection,

which was beautiful throughout the game. I mean, several just stake to the heart explosives between Matthew Stafford and Devante Adams over the course of this game. Really nice to see them back running the ball the way they were able to in this game. I mean, I don't know where exactly they finished. It was north of 55% rushing success right on the ground.

54.2, 28 carries for 163 yards, 5.8 a carry. And even that, I think, is dragged down a little bit by multiple Matthew Stafford runs in this game, which, if you're too many, at this point, just throw the ball out of bounce. Like, there is nothing in professional football right now

that is less worth it than whatever he is going to do outside of the pocket with his legs on those plays. Just take the hell. Like, I don't even care about the two yards. Just throw the ball out of bounds and go to second and 10.

I do think that's the right approach from him in those moments. He had multiple scrambles in this game. We don't need those. He collided with the equipment cart. that can't happen. That cannot happen. He needs like a get back coach or something.

Somebody needs to remind him of that. And I love the competitive spirit. I love that he's willing to do that stuff at 38 years old. But we're losing quarterbacks left and right in the NFL this week. We do not need it to be Matthew Stafford. Yeah. That was one of the only flaws I could come up with in his game. Other than, I mean, the interception to Devante was just really funny because he was like,

is it open no it's not open ah screw it he might get it anyway and then uh jvonne holland if you're looking for a bright spot in this for this giant's team jvonne holland was all over the damn place in this game trying to punch out the fumble like three different times he had two forced fumbles and the pick of stafford to steal a day of helmetism that you like classic too much dip on his chip moment uh for matthew stafford on that interception that is an ultimate heat check after the way the first couple drives have been going it's kind of it's kind of charming when you are that hot where you're just like, I'll let him have that one.

What are you going to do? This is the thing. Between that and the scrambling, we just have to accept that he's more 40-year-old Brett Farrth than 40-year-old Aaron Rogers. And that's just going to be what it's going to be. The scrambling is a no-go. If you want to throw one gross pick

against a team that you're clearly outclassing and you're just kind of playing with your food over the course of these four quarters, which it did feel like the Rams were for stretches of that first half, it was sloppier than it needed to be. That's fine. But I remember when we were watching Philip Rivers in like 2019 and 2020, we joke that there was a force field around the line of scrimmage where it was impossible for him to move past the line of skirmish.

He would get an electric shock like a dog. That's what I want with Matthew Stafford. We should just have a shot collar on him. But if he moves past the line of scrimmage, he gets buzzed. I'm glad you, I'm glad you said that, though, because we talked about this in the preview. Like, the standards we're holding this team to are unreal for good reason. And by the way, one thing I wanted to add about the Rams defense, in the third or fourth quarter,

they just cut to Miles Garrett hanging out in a hospitality suite. And I was like, oh, right. He's just, he's not even doing this. And so this team has weird seeing him in street clothes. I know. He's so huge. It just, he looks like Chris Evans in the, in the Captain America movies.

That's what he looks like when he's just standing there. He's wearing like a very nice tailored dress shirt. And I was like, I bet they had to sew. like three shirts together to put it on that guy. Like I bet that thing's the size of like a fumigation tarp. That's actually not what I meant. He looks like the animated CGI Bruce, like, Hulk.

Yeah. When he's wearing human clothes. That's what Miles Gere looks like when he's just wearing like a he's a action figure. He feels like the opposite of what we said with Aaron Donald, where he's listed at like 272. And I look at that and I'm like, I don't know. He's got to be bigger than that.

He is 280 something. There's no way. The point I wanted to make at the, like at the start of that, though, was the expectations that come with this team, I think it's okay to say, yeah, they were bullshitting around for a little bit in the early going of this game. Like you had the Stafford heat check interception,

Kairn had another fumble, which that number gets more alarmingly high on a regular basis. And they had a couple just very, I mean, they went three and out or like four and out to start this game. They had a couple very herky,

jerky drives. And I remember thinking, when Stafford got sacked early in the, third quarter, I was like, what's going on with these guys? And then immediately, it's like they asked themselves the same question and they just ripped off like four 20 yard gains in a row and scored a touchdown, which it's really nice to see that gear, but a little more consistency would be nice. Yeah, there were some frustrating stretches of this game. But again, they ended with a 56% success rate. They average 8.2 yards per play. By the time the game wrapped up, they got it together.

They were cooking. I honestly, too. One thing, I didn't even really, I wasn't really tracking this in like real time, but as I went back and through my notes, it was kind of interesting to me. So many of their best plays were against cover two, or at least cover two to like whatever side. Like the big Devante Adams, like he's starting to run that corner, turns it back up. It's like, well, he's just crossing the face of the deep safety. Two of their touchdowns in the red zone were also like cover two beaters. Like the Kairn touchdown is super cool, I thought. Like we're disgusting design. Absolutely disgusting. Especially against a rookie linebacker. And so they get one guy running out

into the flat, he holds the corner, and then they get, I think it was one of the tight ends, maybe Ferguson, runs like that deep, like 10 yards, starts to bend. And so Reese is sitting there in the curl, and he's like, well, I have to let this go vertical and I need to help my safety a little bit, so he's sitting there. But then once it passes, he just gets a little bit flat-footed, and he's like, well,

now what? And Kyron just sprints past him up the seam, and that's a touchdown. And then the Ferguson touchdown, where Matthew Stafford just uses his eyes, gets the pole runner to look one way, and he rips it back the other way. Like, just the fact, I just thought it was, like, I didn't track it in real time that all of their best plays were against cover two. But in the league that we live in now, like, that's where you've got to hunt your best place. And they, I thought,

did an incredible job today. We don't talk about them in quite the same way as the Niners when it comes to how dangerous they are when they can get five out in the route and how good they are manipulating and attacking space. But they are one of those teams. They just do it in slightly different ways. Like, their ability to get more guys out in the route than you might expect off play action is a defining character of this offense. And so those plays you're talking about are perfect examples. Like when you watch the Ferguson touchdown, they have, it's Ferguson's on like a short post. Adams is coming on one behind him. They have Kyron on the right side. Either in the backfield they're kind of like, he's off set, but he's a little bit wide. He's almost like to the tackle.

He runs a little angle route that kind of yanks down Tremaine Edmonds in that spot and that creates the space right behind Tremaine Edmonds for Stafford to fit that throw into Terrence Ferguson. And so you're right. I mean, a lot of their best moments in this game came on looks like that. but this offense, I think, is well equipped to attack those sorts of things. I think a couple of years ago, it was either last year or the year before, Stafford led the NFL and EPA for dropback against Cover 2 looks, which is not surprising at all. I mean, you think about who in the league is most capable and committed to attacking whole shots.

Matthew Stafford is probably at the top of that list. It's attacking the whole shots and also like sometimes you got to throw it right under that safety when he might drive down. Stafford's like, yeah, of course I can fit it in there. Why wouldn't I be able to? Yeah, obviously. Nice to see the Terrence Ferguson experience, a little bit of a mixed bag in this game. That's where I was about to go.

Remember last September when the red zone stuff with Devante was not working and they just kept doing it? That's how I felt about Terrence Ferguson in this game where they just couldn't get on the same page. And then in the second half, he had two drops in a row. One of them, maybe less his fault. The first one is not his fault. That one gets tipped. I mean, that's a tough catch. I was about to say that.

It was a tougher catch because it glanced off Tremaine Edmund's helmet, but like he's still, they just couldn't get it right. And like, and it kept happening. And I just was imagining McVeigh and Stafford being like, we can't afford to not target you. So we're just going to keep doing it.

Just get to push through it. We should pretend this isn't happening. And it worked. They got a touchdown at the end. The one that he, the one that he actually, so he had one play early in the game. We didn't get his head around quick enough. Stafford puts it on him. That ball goes incomplete. The one glances off of Tremaine Edmund's helmet.

both of those are bang, bang plays. You'd like to see them made. The fact that they were is like kind of whatever. The one he drops on the left sideline is particularly, that's particularly tough because that is an insane throw by Matthew Stafford. That ball was thrown like three steps before Terrence Ferguson's out of his break. It is perfectly placed. And he somehow doesn't come,

isn't able to hang on to that one, which that was the one that was most frustrating. Like that's a play that you have to make. But the fact that they came back to him multiple times on the next drive, I think that he's going to be part of their plans and they can't afford for him to lose faith at this point in the season. I mean, not to, I'm not being flipping to shit on the Giants,

but in a game where it's in hand and you are very confident you're not going to let it slip, get the young guys some work. Target Terrence Ferguson, get him in a flow and get those opportunities in a situation where the stakes aren't very high. The other thing I think is worth pointing out,

last year his usage was incredibly specific. Like he was out there when they were in 13 personnel. He was the vertical player in those looks. Now, I can't remember who it was, and I apologize for not getting this right, but he played more snaps in 11 personnel in the first two weeks than he did like all of last season. And so he's just going to be a more featured piece

within their passing game because of the things that they're asking him to do than he ever was last year. And that was a thought coming in. I mean, I thought he might have a pretty productive year. And even if tonight was a little uneven, I don't think the first half usage from last week and then just the overall snapshot and how often he was on the field tonight,

nothing that I've seen over the first two games leads me to think he's not going to be a big part of what they're trying to do offensively. Anything else you guys want to hit from this one? Kind of a stinker coming out a week too, huh? I do have something else. Let's talk about special teams, specifically the Rams special teams, specifically, again, if this was anybody else, I don't think I'd care,

but it's Super Bowl or bust for the L.A. Rams. And they missed a field goal in the two-minute drive, which could have been so incredibly impressive if they had pulled it off. It didn't need to be that hard. Sean McVeigh wasted a timeout challenging a virtual spot, which even knowing that Sean Vey loves burning timeouts, that one kind of took my breath away. And so like the end of half field goal situation doesn't go your way.

and then they botched the third quarter kickoff and pinned themselves on their own tin of their own doing. And it's just not, it's not what I want from the team that said that they're improving their special teams. It's a nitpick after you win comfortably on Monday night football. It's important though. Yeah, it is.

It's literally lost them the Seahawks game last year. Yeah. It's going to matter. You cannot let this shit go with the considering the margins that are going to define this team's season and what they have to do to be successful, I would be pissed if I were Sean McVey and not knowing Sean McVey, he probably is.

I want to be very clear about what I'm about to do. I'm not making fun of this person because I'm not in the best shape of all time. It is very funny the way that we're talking about Miles Garrett and then every time they flashed to Mivas before he's about to kick off and he looks like somebody that's playing a beer league football game. It's just the gap between some of the players

wearing that uniform over the course of this game for the Rams is just very funny to me. Every time I see him, I'm like, good for him. It's a perfect sport. It's a perfect sport. It's good for him, man. It's like some version of like when Derek Henry and Dionne Lewis played on the same team together. And it's like, how are these two doing the same thing?

I need the sideline shot of Miles Garrett standing next to him. Or just like him standing between Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald, three of the most beautiful specimens that have ever played this sport that we love. All right. That's all we've got for tonight. If you're listening to this on the podcast feed, the Monday Hangover should be available to you guys right now. Derek and I, as we said a little bit earlier,

dug into Seahawks Cardinals, talked about Chiefs Colts. It's so nice that the Chief's offense is fun to watch again. I just am so happy that the Chiefs are an enjoyable team to watch again. It makes my Sunday so much better. And then we also chatted a little bit about Steelers, Patriots, which has the exact opposite sort of feel to the conversation that we had about the Chiefs. So those are the three games that we hit.

Encourage you guys to go check that out if you have not. For now, that's all we got. Appreciate you listening. We'll talk to you very soon. Thanks for tuning in. Make sure to hit that subscribe or follow button so you never miss an episode. If you enjoyed what you heard, please like, comment, and leave a rating. We'll see you next time.