The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Offseason Buy or Sell: Teams in Transition

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

With the 2025 NFL Draft firmly in the rear-view mirror, we are now in full-on offseason mode on The Athletic Football Show. With that comes one of our favorite offseason staples...are we buying or selling what each of the 32 teams did to improve their teams for the 2025 season? We start the series with what we're calling the Teams in Transition, which includes the Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jets, Raiders, Saints and Panthers. Do we buy or sell what those teams have done since the Super Bowl? Robert Mays and Derrik Klassen make their calls on those eight teams on this episode of The Athletic Football Show.Rundown Titans Browns Giants Patriots Jets Raiders Saints PanthersHost: Robert MaysCo-Host: Derrik KlassenExecutive Producer: Michael BellerProducer: Michael BellerSubscribe to The Athletic Football Show...⁠⁠Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠Follow Robert on Bluesky: @robertmays.bsky.socialFollow Derrik on Bluesky: @qbklass.bsky.socialFollow Robert on X: @robertmaysFollow Derrik on X: @QBKlassTheme song: HauntedWritten by Dylan Slocum, Trevor Dietrich, Ruben Duarte, Kyle McAulay, and Meredith VanWoert / Performed by Spanish Love SongsCourtesy of Pure Noise / By arrangement with Bank Robber Music, LLC Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Athletic Football Show. I'm Robert Mays. We are officially to May, and it is time for just some offseason review type stuff. We did this last year. We looked at every team in the league, split over four shows broken up into four different buckets, and try to figure out if we are buying or selling what they did this off season. So that's what we're doing today. We're kicking off that series. We're going to do one of those a week over the next four weeks. The first bucket of teams were hitting today. The team's in transition. That's what we're calling them. Teams that drafted at the top of this year's draft, teams that are near the bottom of the Vegas win-loss totals, teams with a lot of turnover, young quarterbacks, you know, hopefully some young building blocks, teams that threw a lot of money around in the free agency this off season because they had it. So that is the bucket of teams we're digging into today, kicking off with the Tennessee Titans and really just running through most of the top 10 in this year's draft. Joining me to do that is my buddy Derek Klesson. Let's get to it right now. All right. We're bringing back something that we did last off season that I really enjoyed.

I thought it was a good way to take every single off season and try to digest it. And we're not talking about just the draft or just free agency or just coaching or hiring moves the team's made. This is everything. Every off season in the NFL holistic weird, we're going to go through all 32 of these separated out over four shows over the next month. And we're going to have to put it buy or a sell next to every single one of them. And here to help me kick off that series, it is my co-host at the athletic football show. Derek Klesson, Derek, how you doing, man? Doing good, man.

Feeling pretty rejuvenated. You know, we had obviously long week of doing all the draft work stuff, but this last past weekend got to go to like a brew fest for a little bit, kind of just hang out, sit on my heels. So it was, I'm feeling refreshed for something like this. I'm feeling good. Yeah, the post draft week is always its own beast. And then now I think we're pretty firmly in the off season. And so we're going to do a couple different sets of shows over the next month or so.

that really are kicking off our offseason, you know, content analysis, whatever word you want to use. And to me, this is a pillar of that. We split this into four different shows. We're calling today's show the teams in transition, which is a nice way to talk about the teams that are rebuilding. I will say this off the bat. If you have any issues with the way that we are bucketing these teams and which team is in which show, you can take it up with the odds makers in Las Vegas or the draft order of the 2025 NFL draft, almost exclusively, that's how these were determined.

That's how the buckets were picked. So you just go top to bottom over under wins. And for the most part, that is how we're drawing the lines here as we separate the teams for this exercise. It's always the thing you have to throw it in the front end. I've done my fair share of the year ahead mock drafts. And people are like, oh, X team couldn't possibly be that bad. I'm like, take it up with Vegas, man. Like, I'm not the guy to yell at.

So yeah, there are going to be some where you have to fudge it a little bit. There are a lot of teams that's seven and a half, eight and a half. But that's what we're doing here. And so there are going to be a lot of teams today that we're picking in the top 10. Essentially the first eight picks of the draft outside of the Jags, who's over under is a little bit higher. Those are the teams that we are going to be talking about today. So let's just kick it off with the team that drafted first overall. And that is the Tennessee Titans.

For each of these, we're just going to run through the headline grabbing moves that they made this offseason just as a quick refresher. So the Titans, coaching staff is mostly back. Their big free agent signings, Dan Moore, four years, 82,050 guaranteed. Cody Barton, three years, 21, million, nine guaranteed. One year deals for Kevin Zeiler, Draymont Jones, and Tyler Lockett. Some smaller deals for Xavier Woods and Sebastian Joseph Day. They lost Harold Landry, Nick Westbrokekekeke and Kenneth Murray this offseason. Their draft, Cam Ward in the first round.

Olifame, Olodejo in the second round, Eddrus from UCLA. Kevin Winston, safety in the third round. And then Chimer Dike, Gunner, Hell. Elka Iamanor all in the fourth round, three pass catchers. So let's dig into this. Are you buying or selling the Tennessee Titans 2025 off season? I think with these teams, right, the transition teams, the rebuilding teams. It's not about buying, are they going to be good next year?

It's about buying like, do I like the direction? Yes. And there might be one or two that I'm like, maybe they can't have the big turnaround. But for the most part, it's just like, do I think you're moving in the right direction? And I think for Tennessee, I'm there. Like, I really like to Cam Ward. And so that's a lot of it, right? When you pick, in my mind, the right quarterback, so to say, I think that's a good spot.

And then they did some of the stuff that you would want for a young quarterback. They go out and, again, I think I probably quibbled with how good Dan Moore really is, but they tried to make the upgraded left tackle so that they could move Lathen back to right tackle, which I think could potentially solve two things for them. You mentioned Zitler. So they're trying to build around a quarterback who, one, is going to be a rookie quarterback, but also a quarterback who just holds the ball. So I think they've taken the right approach here, especially on that side.

Dan Moore contract is obviously going to be what people are a little bit concerned about. That Dan Moore contract, it's the Garrett Bowles deal a year later with more guarantees. And that is certainly a projection. But you're trying to pay for what a guy is going to do, not what a guy has done. He's a second contract player. He showed real improvement heading into last season. There's a reason he's a free agent. All those boxes you want to check when you're giving a guy real money in free agency.

I think that Dan Moore does a lot of that. We know he's a free agent because the Steelers drafted to move on from him before he turned into a starting caliber player, and then he wasn't in their plans anymore. So you pay a premium to do that, but we've talked to all offseason about how offensive tackle is a floor setting position. And I do think paying a little bit in order to establish that floor for a rookie quarterback and a guy who's probably going to start from day one,

I can get on board with that even if it's a slight overpay in a vacuum. And even with some of the other stuff that they've done, obviously, Zyler just getting a vet in there is nice for a pretty young offensive line still, for the most part. Getting Tyler Lockett into the receiver room, I think is really nice. Like just a, again, we've got a young quarterback, a rookie quarterback. Let's just get a guy who he's going to be in the right spot all of the time and catch most of what's in his path.

So I think offensively they've taken all the right steps you want to see around a young quarterback. For me, I guess the, you know, where I could maybe talk myself out of buying them is, I don't think the defense really got any better. And they were still a decent unit last year, right? Like it's very well coached. You have a star player in Jeffrey Simmons. Devon Jostrett was obviously incredible.

But I don't think they added a lot there. But again, when you're taking on a rookie quarterback, kind of want to throw all your resources at that side of the ball anyway. And I liked most of what they did there. So I'm buying for the most part. Is there a position you would have liked to have seen them spend on that they didn't spend on? Or a couple players who are available in free agency that you think fit where they are right now. Because that's always how I want to approach this.

If a team didn't address something, should they have, and how would they have done it for it to fit into the broader plan they were trying to execute this offseason? I mean, I think there were enough of those like mid and lower tier edge guys that I wanted to, I would have wanted them to see throw a little bit more money at. I mean, they just do not have enough bodies at that position. Like obviously, the interior is good, but I just, the edge room, I think probably needed a little help. And then if they had thrown one more dice roll potentially at, uh, in the secondary, I think. that would have been probably nice. I don't mind the way that the secondary is looking right now. Because at this point, you're probably going to have Winston battle for starting snaps with

Xavier Woods, who you signed to a contract we've talked a lot about in the last few weeks. He's here, but if he loses that job, we're going to be okay with it type contract. And I think the same thing goes for what they did with Oladajio at that edge spot, right? So you have Arden Key, you have Draymond Jones. He's going to be able to fight for starter snaps, but you have veterans there to at least eat some of that early in the season. and if he's not ready. I think that's the case for Winston

and for the edge rusher that they drafted. So I'm okay with both of those. And I like the way that the secondary is kind of shaken out here because I actually think that Jarvis Brownlee showed a lot last year as a rookie as a fifth round pick. And so him starting next year, I think that's probably the right move.

That's why they were able to move on from Chidobie Ouzier, which was probably a misguided signing in the first place given where this team was. And I think that's part of why I didn't mind them holding back a little bit when it comes to the defensive spending. They did a lot of it last year.

And I think taking one step back and pulling the reins in a little bit was probably the right way to approach this offseason after what they did last summer. I think that's fair. I guess I still had wanted them to throw like one more younger body at the position, like one of the younger free agent guys. But again, when they threw so much money at it last year and it didn't go well and you have to spend on offense now, you got to take a lost subway. And so I guess that's just where it was.

I wouldn't have minded. them being a tad bit more aggressive with their second receiver spot next to Calvin Ridley. I think Tyler Lockett for where they were after the rest of the market had shaken out, that was fine. Part of the reason that I was comfortable with them not getting into the mix for a guy like Josh Palmer, for example, is that in their mind it was probably, well, we can try to find the next Josh Palmer in the fourth or fifth round in this draft. But then when you actually watch that happen, it's kind of like, I kind of wish Josh Palmer was on this team. I think I'd feel a little bit better about Cam Ward if they had done that.

So I'm kind of contradicting myself a little bit because I know that's how I handled that store stuff in the moment. But that's the one position group, even with Lockett, even with Van Jefferson. I just, my worry is we're going to get to like week eight. And it's going to be a scenario where the offensive line's playing well enough. Ridley's playing well enough. But we're really wishing there were more past catching options on this team. Well, because that's the thing.

It is a good idea to try to find some of these like third and fourth round receivers but at the end of the day, you just go and look at the depth chart and you just see the four next to a guy's name on our lads. And you're like, okay, I don't know if that actually solves a problem right now. We're going to have to see in training camp and stuff. And part of me, I think not having a guy where you're committing real free agent resources to him. It gives the young guys real chances to compete because there's nobody necessarily blocking them. So I think that part of it, I'm actually okay with it. I just worry about what the group is going to look like midway through this season.

but a lot of the other things that they did, I think it's pretty easy to get on board. And we talked about this after the draft. I think in a way, this draft, them trading back in the second round, recouping that third round pick was kind of them atoning for a lot of the decisions that they made last offseason when some of that stuff maybe was a little bit too aggressive and a little bit misguided based on where they were as a team. It's a smart decision when you know you got a reset like this and you get a free roll at it with the quarterback at number one.

the last thing I'll say here, just looking at the snaps from last year and then now, they're starting offensive line last year based on who had the most snaps because of the Cushenberry injury. Latham at left tackles, Scarazzi at left guard, Daniel Brunskill at center, Dylan Raidens at right guard, Nicholas Pettifera at right tackle. The hope this year is your starting offensive line from left to right is Dan Moore, Peter Skoronsky, Lloyd Cushenberry, Kevin Zitler, J.C. Latham. So even if you had to pay a little bit to add more to that mix, I just know the offensive coaches on that staff, are going to be sleeping much, much easier based on the way that they approach things over the last

couple months. Going into the new season where only one guy is playing the same position that he played the year before is a lot, but they were an offensive line that needed it more than almost anybody. And obviously the Cush and Berry part of it, he was supposed to be a starting center last year. He gets hurt. But it's going to be a very different looking unit this year. And my God, did it need to be after the way the last couple seasons have gone?

All right. Let's keep moving down the top five of the draft here. The Cleveland Browns, this is a rich. text. That's all I'll say as we get into this. Extensions and acquisitions for the Browns this offseason. Brought back Miles Garrett on a record setting $40 million a year deal. Malik Collins on a two-year $20 million deal with 13 guaranteed. It's really it in terms of splashy free agent moves. They don't have a lot of money to throw around. We got one-year deals for Joe Flacco, trading for Kenny Pickett, Joe Trian Shanker, Cornelius, Lucas, Devin Bush, Tevin Jenkins, all on small one-year deals. I think the

Cornelius-Lucs deal is two years. But the A.A. is very small. On the coaching staff, they promoted Tommy Reese to offensive coordinator, moving on from Ken Dorsey, obviously, last year, and there's just a bunch of different things. You look at that offensive staff. I mean, the changes that they've made each of the last couple off seasons and then again, it's a team that I think was shuffling between a lot of different versions of itself, trying to find the right answers. This feels like a return to kind of what they want to be doing in a post-a-Shon Watson world. They lose Dalvin Tomlinson, James Hudson, Elijah Moore, James Winston.

Draft. Mason Graham, fifth overall after trading down. They get the 2026 first from Jacksonville to do that. Also picking up a second round pick. Carson Swessinger, Quinn Shaw Jenkins, both in the second round, Harold Fanon in the tight add in the third round, Dylan Gabriel quarterback in the third round, Dylan Samson in the fourth round,

and then obviously, Shadour Sanders, in the fifth round. Are you buying or selling the 2025 Cleveland Browns offseason? I think the best way I can answer the question is it depends on which part of it. Because there were a couple of the teams we're going to talk about here where I'm more just confused about how I feel about it.

With the Browns, I'm in such obvious buckets with certain decisions and with other ones I'm completely the other way. Let's talk through that. So trading back in the drought, I probably would have sat and taken Hunter, but getting the haul that they did for him where you get an extra first round pick, you get an extra checkaround pick. I love it. I think them drafting Quinnshot Junkins, Harold Fanon, these are guys who we talked about

a little bit on the live stream, feel like they're trying to push a little bit more towards what Stefansky had been beforehand when the offense was really good. And so I love that. Drafting Carson Swessinger to basically replace Jay, okay, this year, obviously it doesn't seem like he's going to play. So like I really liked that pick. So I like a lot of them trying to get their identity back with the offense. And then I look at the quarterback room and I'm just like, I don't know if I can get here. And I don't hate the idea. Right. would you have done differently? Dude, I would have been the Kirk team.

And I know that that's not very exciting. And like for, you know, 2027 doesn't make this team any better. But if they were trying to win any games this year, I do think that that was probably going to be their best approach. But does their collective action at the position? So that's, does that tell you that they're trying to win a bunch of games this year?

Is that it probably doesn't. And them trading back from two probably doesn't tell me that. It's just like, I know we keep saying a lot that they have like good jobs. security. I just... Oh, I don't think that's true. I don't think they have good job security, but I think they're approaching this with a multi-year view. And I think that's what you should do, even if you don't have good job security. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I just... I just, again, I wonder

if this is all in favor of whoever the next staff and regime is going to be, which makes it hard for me to buy that this offseason for this staff and regime. I guess that's what I'm saying where I'm like very of two different minds about how I approach the Browns in particular right now. I don't really know what to do with them. Like I think I'm buying the offseason for what it is. But then you look at the two year outlook for this. How many players do you think the Cleveland Browns have under contract right now for

26, not including Deshawn Watson, who will not be on the team? Miles Garrett, that's for sure. A handful of the D.Bs have to be, I would imagine. You'd be wrong about that. Really? They don't have any of them still under contract? It's really just Denzel Ward. I was thinking Ward, but.

And Grant Delpit. Both of those guys are under contract for next year. And Newsom's rookie deal is probably going, okay, yeah, yeah. Newsom's rookie deal is up. Emerson's rookie deal. Okay. I mean linebacker Hicks was probably on like a short deal. and like, okay, okay, yeah, you're starting to lose a lot of guys here.

I know the offensive line, like the entire thing is that might blow up is the biggest issue to me as well. The answer is 19. 40% of your roster. Total players. Okay. So here are the guys who are not like first or second year players that are going to be on rookie deals. Dustin Hopkins, the kicker. J.O.K., who we don't know if he's going to play.

We have no idea what his outlook looks like. and I don't think it's very good. Mleek Collins, who they signed as a free agent this year, Grant Elpin, who recently signed an extension, Jerry Judy, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, that's it. Those are the guys who are not a draft picks from over the last couple years.

And so you look at that team, and I think that the offensive line specifically is where my biggest question is. Because they didn't draft heir parents to that group this year. So if Wyatt Teller, Joel Betonio, Ethan Pochich, and Jack Conklin are all free agents after this year.

So in theory, let's just say you go into the 2026 off season with a hole at left tackle because you've moved to Juan Jones back to right tackle after you move on from Conklin. Zach Cinder, somebody you drafted last year was hurt. He's now offensive line depth to see somebody that can come in and start for you in 20206. But then you still have like two more guys, two more starting spots. Cornelius Lucas is on that two-year deal. He's 35 years old and is very much a swing tackle. So what that group looks like over a two-year span, I'm not really sure what to make of that.

I think that treating them like almost a complete blank slate roster outside of like Miles Garrett and Denzo Ward is probably the right way to do this. And if that's the case, then how they approach this offseason and how they even approach the quarterback room, I think is more than defensible. But that's how you have to look at them in order for the rest of it to truly make sense. And that's the thing. If you look at it purely through that lens, I can get there with a lot of it. Again, the trading back, the throwing a bunch of darts at quarterback, all of that stuff,

I just, again, if you're taking the two-year approach and then all the guys that did that are going to get fired potentially after this year, that it just makes it hard for me to buy all of it. I guess it would make, you know, the situation pretty approachable for whoever the new head coach might be and then we can have the conversation then. But it just, it feels like when we're thinking of buying and stuff. selling off-season, it is tied to like how I feel about the job security moving forward for these for these teams and staves. And this is the one where I think it gets the most complicated for me.

Next off-season is also just a absolute hornet's test. You're going to have to move on from Watson, make him a post-June first cut. You're still $6 million over the cap with 19 players under contract. Oh my God. And so Denza Award has a $17 million base salary. You'll be able to restructure that, everyone else is essentially on minimum-based salaries. So the amount of talent they'll be able to add to that room next year is tough. And right now, as it currently stands, they have $16.5 million in space, of which they'll probably use 8th, 10 for off-season moves. So it's not like they're going to be carrying over a ton of space.

It's a mess, man. I mean, like, this is, we are dealing with the mess. We are dealing with the leftovers when you swing and miss on one of the most aggressive moves we've seen in NFL history. And them sitting here and picking up the pieces, I don't have really any issues with what they've done when you look at the individual moves this offseason based on that situation.

But the situation is so grim that it's hard to muster much excitement about anything that they're currently doing. I guess that's probably the best way to twist it is that they kind of had to do a lot of the stuff that they were going to do this off season. It wasn't really choices. And they maneuvered it fairly well.

So I guess from that angle, I can, you're kind of pushing me a little bit closer to buy, even if it's still a very complicated situation. I'm going to ask you this question about a couple different teams in this exercise. And I think this is a good one to do it with. What is the best case scenario for the 2025 Cleveland Browns? The defense, the secondary plays better. And so maybe you can get Miles Garrett to just lead an incredible pass rush again.

So you have a top eight defense and Shadur Sanders hits. Like that's the best outcome. So you think Shadur Sanders is the best possible. possible outcome a quarterback for them. Definitely this year. I mean, I don't like. Dane got me there a little bit with the Dylan Gabriel like idea when we were talking about it, but I still do think Sanders was a better prospect.

So I guess if we want to do it, young quarterback becomes a guy who looks like a starter. I'll put it that way to give fairness to both of those guys. But I think if those guys, but even if all of that happens to still like an eight win team at best to me. And so I get, but if the. quarterback hits and you win eight games, maybe this staff gets to hold on to everything and be like, look, we're improving. And then you do that. And then depending on how the quarterback situation goes next year, do you, are you in a position

to draft a quarterback? You have multiple first round picks. If you win eight games and you're picking 13th and you have, let's say the Jags are right in that same range. So you have like a 13th peek and the 16th pick. The quarterback, whatever, whoever had done. up being, let's say it's Chodor. And he plays,

trying to think of a good example of this. You know, let's say he plays like 20, 23 Will Levis, where it's like, okay, he played well enough to get another shot, but we don't know what it he is. And so then you bypass a quarterback in next year's draft,

and your team is still kind of bad in 2026. He doesn't play any better. Then you're out of position to potentially draft a quarterback. There's no good way out of this, no matter how good you are, at all of the maneuvering. But when you play it out or just try to like see through the timeline a little bit,

I think you just realize how many potential pitfalls are out there over the next couple years. You just crawled so far deep into the horrifying mind of a Browns fan. This also sounds like a man who has been hurt by his own franchise a number of times. It's just a tough situation. How they maneuver this quarterback thing is just going to be, I mean, they're already, I think, figuring out ways to kind of change practice schedules and things like that. can get everybody reps because now you have four quarterbacks that you have to get reps,

including two guys in rookie minicamp. So I think they're probably going to do more in that area of the calendar than they would have previously. So there's just a lot for this team to work through on a bunch of different levels. I think my final answer is I think I'm buying it for what it is. It's complicated no matter what you do. Yeah. It's like I'm trying to find the right analogy.

It's like, I think if you paid a decent price for a house that was in complete disarray, but you didn't have enough money left over to hire the right contractor, does it matter that you got a good deal on the house? Stuff like that. So like the actual, the investments in and of themselves, I get it because if you just look at, all right, this is the investment, this is what the potential return could be, and this is the amount of capital I had to spend, all of it is fine. But when you think about what the final product is supposed to look like and the resources

that you have left over, I think that you're going to have a really, really tough task making it a place that you want to live. That's perfect. Like you can see on paper all this stuff makes sense. Piecing it together into one cohesive thing is like, good luck, good luck. I paid $40 for this house. It's like, oh, that's cool. Like it's just a lot where you have to tear it down.

What do you have to like work on it? Well, I have a hammer that's like kind of broken and I have like six nails. That's what I have to fix this entire house is kind of where the Browns are right now. Yeah. Let's keep moving here. This is another one that's going to be a fraught question. The New York Giants and their offseason. Free agent moves from the Giants.

Pulse and Adibo three years, 54 million, 38.5 million guaranteed. Javon Holland, three years, $45 million, $30 million guaranteed. Russell Wilson on a one-year-old. 10 and a half million dollar Darnold special. Darius Slayton, three years, 36 million, 22 guaranteed. Chaunty Goldston on a depth edge deal with $6 million a year. Some other ones for depth, James Hudson is a swing tackle. Roy Robertson Harris also brought in James Winston.

In the draft, Abduh Carter at three, traded back into the first round for Jackson Dart, gave up two third round picks, one this year, one next year in order to do it. Darius Alexander, defensive tackle from Toledo in the third round. Cam Scadaboo, fourth round, running back from Arizona State, and then Marcus bow fifth round guard from Purdue. Are you buying or selling the 2025 New York Giants offseason? I like so much of what they did. I really do.

Like, Adivo was probably one of the better corners that you could have gotten. Holland is a good, making up for your sins of not just paying Xavier McKinney. Obviously, it ends up more expensive now, but I think it was still the right thing to do. They attacked all the right positions in the draft, like Carter. I mean, Carter was more like, didn't need edge, but he was so good. What were you going to do? Darius Alexander in the draft, Scadaboo, like that makes sense.

You go and get a quarterback. They did a lot of the right things and took a lot of the right approaches. But I cannot fundamentally say that I'm buying an offseason in which they trade it up for a quarterback that I just don't like very much. So even if I like 80% of what they did, the 20% part is so hard for me to get past. Okay. Let's just admit. that you don't know how good Jackson Dart's going to be. Right.

Let's take that as part of the premise here. And if you open yourself up to that, the idea that Jackson Dart, trying to think of the right sort of productivity we could have from Jackson Dart in year one for you to feel good about it. Who's a good comparison point? I mean, if he was doing like what Pennix did for like,

you know, five games or whatever last year, you'd be happy with that. I just like, that's a good one. Penn X are like Bryce Young in the back half of last year. That's probably even a little bit too rosy. But let's say he did that. Just quarterback 25. Yeah, right, exactly.

Somebody where it's like, okay, not a disaster or something you can absolutely build on. If that is what we get from Jackson Dart for eight games this year, then how do you feel about the New York Giants offseason? I feel pretty good. Because that is, because, again, to be able to get that from any quarterback one is a win as a rookie, to get that from a quarterback at pick 20, whatever, even though obviously you had to leverage some extra capital to get there, is also a win, because those are the guys that typically don't produce as well.

So it's just, if the quarterback thing hits, I like a lot of the other stuff that they did. Again, the defense almost has to be better with what they did there. And then I even like them bringing back Darius Slayton. That was a great idea. And they have some young and fascinating skill players, obviously neighbors, but some of the other guys too. So there is a lot here I like. And I guess to the point in Darts favor, whatever I think of him, you just got to be better

than Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito, which for as many questions as I have, I do think is pretty possible. So this is part of how I'm looking at all of this. I think I'm selling it. And when I say that, I don't have any issues with like most of the stuff that they did. I don't have a ton of criticism specifically about individual moves. I think all that tracks based on where this team is right now, even the Jackson Dart thing. I think this is more about the moves that they made. and how much I think they actually move the needle

and how much better this team is right now after an offseason where they drafted a quarterback in the first round and they spent a lot of money in free agency. The first two prongs of that, quarterbacks drafted where Jackson Dart was just drafted. It's not a great history, right? So we'll have us again, let's bring that up. A guy, you probably could have waited into the backout

for the second round to draft Jackson Dart if you wanted to. So let's say guys drafted from 25 to 40. That is a history at quarterback that's not awesome. And it's for one specific reason. Guys who are typically seen as really good prospects get drafted higher. I don't think they should have done that because I think getting Abdul Carter and the quarterback for the price that they did was the right way to approach the draft. But the historical hit rate on quarterbacks drafted outside of the top 15 picks just isn't very good. There's a reason those prospects tend to fall a little bit.

So I think no matter what we think of Jackson Dart, what the league thinks of Jackson Dart, I think is telling when you look at quarterback draft history. Like for Everly Lamar Jackson, there are more Kenny Pickett's. I think that's how this is typically gone. And then the other big thing that they did, you like the Paul Sin Adibo signing. I have some questions about the Paul Sin Adibo signing because free agent contracts at cornerback, those have a pretty checkered history. and he's already a player that's been pretty volatile. So you're paying sticker price at a volatile position for somebody in this free agent class. I understand why they did it because he was really the only cornerback of that quality

that was a second contract player for you're going to be paying for his prime, 26, 27, 28. But we've seen so many of these deals at this position specifically go awry. J.C. Jackson is obviously the best example of this recently, but there's plenty of them over history. So would you have been better if you had given Christian Fulton a deal that was half that and then try to spend a little bit of money to upgrade one of the spots on your offensive line? Because to me it's about opportunity costs. They have the money to do it, but would those resources have been better spent elsewhere?

I don't have strong feelings on that. I just think it's worth interrogating a little bit based on what Paulson and Debo has been up to this point in his career. I mean, I think that's fair. like he's I think with free agency signings like this, it's to me it's not, is this going to go as well as it possibly could have? And I don't assume that of the Pulse and the Debo thing.

It's just I do feel pretty good about him being better than Cordell Flot. Even if, even if he's not. But that's not the question. I mean, I guess that's true with as much as you're paying him, that isn't the question. But I think he better be better than Cordell Flot. I mean,

he better be. $47 million guaranteed over two years. I think it's more like if you have him being better than Cordale flot. Also, if Holland is who we think he is. And then the pass rush is what I think is. It's like, you start to piece together this defense in a way that is a little different. I still have some questions about it, but I think the Adibo thing was probably fine. So this brings me to my next question. That does get complicated, though, because you said, like, they could have spent more money on the offensive line, which we've talked about before. I wish

they had done that. So that is where I get a little bit of two minds about it. It's not about whether you're better at corner, whether Paulson Adibo is a good player. It's, that's a lot of money. and would you have been better off spending that money elsewhere on other areas of the roster? Rather than giving a guy a not top of market, but a healthy free agent contract at a position where those don't always work out very well when guys switch teams. So I think it's just a question worth raising. The defense, if things break a certain way, I think it's easy to get excited or at least be optimistic about that group. But this brings me to my next question for you.

How much better does the defense have to be? in order for you to make up for whatever modest gains you're going to get on offense. Because the pathway for them to be better on offense this year is their left tackle being healthy, hugely important, totally get that, played six games. So Andrew Thomas's health and the upgrade from Russell Wilson over Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson, who got paid less this offseason than Daniel Jones got, those are your two pads ways to better offense if you're the giant. Do we think that the New York Giants offense is equipped to be much better if the plan is actually to sit Jackson Dart for the entire year?

Are they better equipped to be a lot better on offense now than they were at this time last year? Is Russell Wilson that much better than Daniel Jones right now? I really don't think so. I don't think the Rust thing went very well in Pittsburgh last year. And like obviously he technically took over the starting job after Justin Fields, but I don't think the quality was any different between those two. and both of them ended up leaving. So I know we like to, I know Daniel Jones in a lot of ways

is easier to make fun of, but it's probably the same quality of quarterback that you're getting. Whereas Russ is just like, I think you know the beats when you're watching him, right? Whereas Daniel Jones is a little bit more like you don't know what you're getting. And that's why it feels different.

And that's kind of what I'm saying is that I just don't know that Russell Wilson is this huge, obvious upgrade over Daniel Jones to the point where outside of getting Andrew Thomas back, there are a lot of reasons to think that this is going to be a much better situation. offense. The defense is probably going to need to lift you. I just don't know why we're treating Russell Wilson as this like stabilizing force. And I think that's what's happened. And so the idea

that we're just going to roll with Russell Wilson all year because he's going to be good enough for us to stay competitive. That's why Jackson Dart or even James Winston isn't going to have to play. I just don't know how much I buy that, really. I really don't buy that. So to go back to your original question of like how much better does the defense have to be? I mean, what is their goal? Actually, that's the other interesting question. I think of these eight teams that we're going to talk about here, this is actually the only team

where I'm positive. They kind of do have to win games next year. That's how I'm viewing it through. So I mean, the defense has to be at least knocking on the door of top five, right? Like this front needs to be everything you paid for and then the secondary has to be good enough to get the maximum out of that.

But I mean, like I would think like eight or ninth at minimum. You can see that, right? It could happen. reasonable path. I'm with you on that. And let's say that defense is that good. And you get some flashes from Jackson Dark as he plays over the second half of the year. Because again, I don't think that there's some. He will play.

Like, monumental tasks sitting in front of him, right? And so if that's the case and the defense is really, really good, and you see the rookie quarterback for a little bit and you could project some development in from year one to year two for him. And maybe you can really take a step with that group. You can invest a little bit more on the offensive line next off season. That probably feels.

like the best case scenario for this Giants team this year. Would you say that's fair? Because I was going to ask you the exact same question about them. No, I think that's completely fair. Maybe I'm underselling it. I don't know. I'm just not overly enthused about it. Maybe I should be.

I'm willing to admit that I might be just missing something with the reasons that people are painting this is like a really good set of moves all in. Well, again, it's going back to if this was the first year of a new regime, I would feel a lot differently about it. But they have to win games next year. And it's like with other. teams, you know, on a scale of one to 10, I only need them to go from a 3 to a

5 to feel good about it. The Giants need to go from like a 3 to a 7 for me to feel good about it and it's just probably not going to get there. I think that's a really good way of thinking about it. I think that's why I'm feeling the way that I am when I look at all of this. Because again, I don't have really any issues with a lot of the stuff that they're

doing move by move, but I'm just not sure how much better they really are right now than they were at the start of this off season. And for every other team, maybe that the answer to that question isn't as important. For this team, the answer to that question is really, really important. And that may be why I'm seeing it through a slightly different lens. Yeah, the bars are just a little bit different. And maybe that's unfair, but the league's

not fair. It is what it is. We're going to take our first break and then we're going to come back with our next few teams here. The New England Patriots who had a busy offseason to say the least. I can't remember what the final number was because I was sorting it by total contracts handed out, not guarantees, which isn't always very telling, especially when you look at something like the Diggs contract, for example. But I think the Patriots handed out like $350 million in like total free agent money this offseason. Understandable, based on where they were in their financial situation, but it still was just a funny number to look at. Notable coaching changes. Obviously, it's on a huge ones.

Mike Vrable comes in as the head coach, Josh McDaniels, O.C., Terrell Williams, who's the Lions defensive line coach last year as the defensive coordinator, Thomas Brown, Doug Marone, Todd Downing, Ben McAdoo rounding out that staff. A busy offseason of acquisitions and extensions for New England. Mill Williams, four years, 104,0.63 guaranteed. Steph Diggs, three years, 63,000 26 guaranteed. Carlton Davis, three years 54 with 35 guaranteed. Harold Landry, three years 44, 26 guaranteed. Robert Spillane, 11 million a year.

Morgan Moses on an $8 million kind of stopgap tackle deal. And then Garrett Bradbury, Matt Collins, Kalavan, Chasin, all on smaller contracts. The draft for the New England Patriots, Will Campbell, fourth overall, Travion Henderson in the second round, Kyle Williams, wide receiver in the third round, Jared Wilson, center from Georgia in the third round,

Craig Woodson and Joshua Farmer, safety and defensive tackle, respectively, in the fourth round. Are you buying or selling the New England Patriots very busy offseason? That was a long-winded intro, but I'm going to keep my answer very simple. Yes, I am. I'm buying. I'm in. And maybe, again, this is like they already had the quarterback,

So maybe it was going to be easy for me to buy no matter what. But I think we all really did love the draft, right? Like them getting Will Campbell, getting a new left tackle in there is huge. Undeniable. Yeah, getting Jared Wilson at where they did who's like, he might not start week one because they did sign Garrett Bradbury who can, you know, hold the 40 if he needs to. But I think at minimum for next year, it's a huge signing for them or a huge draft pick for them.

So I like that. Henderson and Kyle Williams both give them a lot more popped than they had last year. And Stefan Diggs signing him, even if again, like maybe he's not, he's only going to be 75% of what he was. If he can at least beat man sometimes, which is something that Patriots receivers could not do last year, I think that's good. And then I think it receiver in general kind of taking this shotgun

approach, I think was a good idea. Obviously, you signed Diggs and you draft Kyle Williams, but you also still have the two guys from last year from last year's regime. And then you sign Matt Collins, who is obviously going to play a role in here as like, you know, your blocker, your big X stuff like that. So I like a lot of the approach that they took there.

The defense still doesn't have any edge rushers, but spending all the money you have on Milton Williams, I thought was good. You needed more pop there. Carlton Davis, obviously, we know my feelings on him next to Christian Gonzalez. And then I think, obviously, Joanne Bentley got hurt last year and he was kind of a pillar in the middle of the defense for them. His whole thing is like he's a head hunter, man.

Like he just wants to hit guards, hit running backs as hard as he can. He was hurt. I think they didn't feel good about his health. They go sign Robert Spillane. It's the perfect, like one-to-one, just put him in there. So I really do like a lot of the stuff that they did. I think my lingering question still is just how good is. the edge rushing going to be, but can't solve everything in one swing.

I'm going to say this kindly. I'm not sure you're positioned to see this clear-eyed. Zero percent. On several different fronts, any hell for Drake Mae whatsoever is going to be a good thing for you. So it's price be damned. I will say this. I have almost no issues with anything they did on offense. Obviously, the Diggs contract, when you look at the headline numbers, is huge.

They can move on from him after this year with very little penalty. That's funny money. It's really a one-year deal. And based on the current state of their wide receiver room, I understand wanting one thing, even if he's 80% of what he was last year, that you can theoretically count on at that position with a second-year quarterback that you drafted in the top five. Morgan Moses, older player, stopgap deal, let's have a playable right tackle that we feel good about.

This offensive line in general, depending on what ends up happening with Garrett Bradbury and Jared Wilson, now you have Will Campbell, fourth overall is going to step in. your left tackle. What they do at left guard, we'll see, you know, Cole Strange is still there for Darien Lowe, excuse me, Will Strange. Robinson, I think, actually had some, Lid Robinson had some nice moments last year if you want to see if he's a long-term answer there. We'll see what happens at center with those two guys on WENU and then Morgan Moses. That group is set up to be much, much better than it was last year in a way they needed to be. And I feel the same way about the receivers. So even if you sign some older players on

offense, I can completely get behind it. On defense, to me, the approach is harder to to defend. And that includes the Carlton Davis thing. Because Carlton Davis, I like Carlton Davis as a player, but you signed a 29-year-old off-injured corner when you are 28th. So he's a way, his will be his age 29 season. You signed a guy who's in his age 29 season, who's playing age is a little bit older than that based on how he plays and how often he's been hurt. How, when are you going to be competitive? Is it going to be next year? It's not going to be next year. It's going to be the year after that. So what is the benefit of signing 29-year-old into age 30 Carlton Davis who has guarantees into his third year of this deal? And I would ask you the same

question about Harold Landry, who is now in his age 29 season coming off of multiple injuries, a couple down years. Why was that money necessary to spend? Why were those players the guys to spend it on? I mean, one, they did have more money than they had anything to do it. So you... That is never a good answer. It's not, but they had to spend it on somebody. I think I'll Also, okay, with Davis, I think because of the age and because of the injury, there is the chance that, like, the cliff is week three of next year. Like, that is absolutely on the board and I am a little bit scared to that. But I do kind of like what they did with that signing specifically in terms of, I think outside of Gonzalez for a while now, or basically since he's been there, the two years, they've had a lot of other smaller bodies at Corner and I haven't loved it personally. And I kind of wanted them to get another guy who could actually be a little bit bigger and more physical.

So I just wonder if this is them really leaning into what they want the tone to be set in terms of like those types of signing. So if that's the reason I can get behind it, it's the other signings that I question. Like the Harold Landry, that's a lot of money for, you know. But I think the way that you're framing the Davis thing is that's the best defense of it. We want to set a specific way that we play. These are culture things. We're trying to make sure that we have a team that plays and feels a certain way. Obviously, Mike Frable knows a lot about Harold.

Landry. I'm sure there's a lot of those considerations baked into that sort of signing. But I just think that their timeline and players at that age on defense specifically, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of what the Titans last off season. And I just think that those deals don't age super well. And even if you want to say it, they have so much money, and they do. Okay. They're probably going to carry over 55 to 60 million in cap space from this year. So then they'll have about 70 million going into next year. But again, this is about opportunity cost. If you're sitting there going into next year,

and Carlton Davis is eaten up $20 million in cap space, and you're sitting there with Harold Landry, eating up 16 and a half, that's money that could have gone different places if you hadn't signed those sorts of contracts. And it's money that you would have to allocate when you have a better understanding of what your team is and what you need in year two of a new regime.

So that's my question then. What would you have wanted to do on defense? Would it have not been Carlton Davis and then sign a $6 million dollar corner and then throw money at like, Dio, O Dangbo? Like, is that,

would be the answer? That would be the answer is that I think that I would just allocate that money to second, Dangbo is more of like a stand in for the types of players I'd be chasing. Right. It would be second contract players who can be building blocks for you when you are ready to compete two to three years from now potentially. Again,

the team that I always mentioned when we're having these sorts of conversations is what the Broncos did in free agency in 2023. When they were clearly a rebuilding team, you look at all those guys that they signed. McGlenshy's second contract guy, Ben Power's second contract guy, Zach Allen's second contract guy. Now they're going to be 28 when you're really ready to compete versus Carlton Davis and Harold Landry, who are going to be 31 when you're really ready to compete. And those guarantees go into the third year.

So it's just those sorts of moves, I just similar to the Titans last year, it's like, yeah, you have the money to do it. But how well do these things typically age? And I think the answer for these sorts of moves is, not quite as well as you want them to. I think that's fair. They did a lot of stuff this offseason on defense that was like, we're just going to try to win games this year, which, I mean,

I just don't know if that does anything. But that's also, we also knew that was kind of the bargain with Vrable walking in, right? Yes. So whether we agree with it or not, at least we knew that was going to be how this was going to work. And so that brings me to my next question. How do you feel about Mike Vrable? So I think Vrable individually is a pretty compelling coach. I think he actually does do a good job of getting guys to play hard and I think he's taking the right approach.

And I think in previous stops early in Tennessee, he actually did hire a lot of the right people. I look at the staff now, though, and it just feels very stale for the most part. It just feels like a lot of guys who coached a lot of their best ball like 10 years ago, which maybe again, when you have that much veterans in the building, maybe it can work together, but it just feels like a lot of guys who the league has not, you know, maybe not pass them by. It's probably the wrong way to say, but it's just a little more youth, I think, would have been inspiring to me. This is where I was trying to lead the conversation. Yeah.

I think I'm just kind of in wait and see mode with this staff because Mike Frable has done a really good job as a head coach when you think about a lot of the things on a head coach's plate. Very good situationally. Gets guys to play hard, all of that stuff. Like, the guys a very smart football person who I think can galvanize a locker room and create and nurture a certain play style. But we've seen when they've had misses on the offensive staff, what happened to them in Tennessee. Quarterback was a huge consideration there, right? Like, there's a chance that Drake May is good enough. And Josh McDaniels has learned enough in his his study abroad year, let's call it, going to all these different colleges. As Josh McDaniels

studied abroad this year and like learn some different cultures and like, you know, can, he, he knows like three or four like Spanish dishes that he didn't know but previously. Like, that's fine. Like I can get on board with that. Maybe that works out. But I'm in wait and see mode with it. Like I just am not quite there yet to get excited about it. Even if I think the Vrabel signing was pretty roundly celebrated when it happened.

Are the Spanish Dishes QB run game in this scenario? Because I don't know how many guys he's had where that was really in the play. book beforehand. He says Barcelona now. So now we got a lot of like really spicy things that we're folding into the equation. So I'm mixed on it. I love what they did in the draft. I think that I can get on board with a lot of the offensive signings, even some of the older

guys. I think the defense reminds me a little bit too much of 20, 24 Tennessee and I'm still in wait and see mode about the staff. So I think that's where I land. It's a very mixed set of feelings. So I'm just not sure I'm all the way there with buying it. I think that's fair. I like this stuff around Drake enough that I could get

there, but I fully hear all of the criticisms. I'd send you a message on Slack like two hours ago, so this is going to be an interesting set of conversations, because I just think there's a lot of different ways that you can look at all of this. I think that there is a glass half full and a glass half empty approach to pretty much every single one of these off seasons. And so I was excited to have these discussions, and the Patriots were a team that I think were a central reason for that.

Let's stick in the AFC East. The New York Jets also had to be a very important. coaching change this offseason. Aaron Glenn comes in as the head coach. Tanner Engstrand is the O.C. Steve Wilkes is the DC. Chris Harris is their DB coach past game coordinator like Chris Harris. Scott Turner is their offensive past game coordinator. I think that makes a lot of sense when you look at Scott's background. Acquisitions and extensions. Justin Fields, two years 40 million 30 guaranteed. Jamie and Sherwood comes back three years 45 30 guaranteed. We call that the 2025 linebacker offseason special that everyone signed. Brandon Stevens, three years 36 with 23

guaranteed, Andre Sisko on a one-year deal, Josh Reynolds, Isaiah Oliver, Josh Myers, all on sort of flyer one-year contracts. Lost Aaron Rogers, Devante Adams, DJ Reed, Devon Kinlaw, Son Reddick, Morgan Moses. Draft fix. Armand Membu, seventh overall, tight-ed Mason Taylor in the second round. Azaree Thomas Corner in the third round, Ari and Smith, wide receiver in the fourth round. Safety Malachi Moore also in the fourth round. Are you buying or selling the 2025 New York Jets all? off-season.

Probably buying. Like, I'm closer to buying than selling, but I could be convinced. But I think what I did like, Aaron Glenn, I've, I've been, you know, calling for him to be a head coach for a while. He's fantastic. So I'm all in there. A lot of your favorites on this show. A lot of my favorite.

And on this team, even, you know, they signed or they drafted Armand Membu at seventh, which I thought was fantastic. Like, I think he's going to be really good. The Andre Sisko signing made sense. They drafted Mason Taylor and Azaria Thomas, who, again, really liked. both of those players in the draft. And then even signing Brandon Stevens, for as much as I didn't love it at the time,

now that I know he's competing with Thomas, I actually think this makes a lot more sense in terms of how that room is going to go together. I would say my hang-ups are, I don't think they properly addressed some of the beefiness and physicality that I think they lost last season on the defensive line. So I think that's still an issue.

And I don't think they were aggressive enough at receiver. But all of the signings and draft picks they did make, I like them. So it's one of those things that maybe they just had more to solve than I think was going to be solved to this off season. But I like the things that they did do. I'm with you on that. I think the receiver part of it, that's a perfect position to throw out there. So what they could have done in theory is that they could have drafted a receiver instead of Mason Taylor in the second round.

But they had a massive need at tight end too. So you could have gone either one of those directions. And the receiving group in free agency this year, which guy do you want? Right? Do you want this to be the Josh Palmer team? Do you want them to spend $10 million a year on Diami Brown? There were too many holes at receiver and too few guys in free agency for every team in this stage that was turning over a lot of its roster, year one of a new regime, didn't want to be super aggressive for every team to plug the holes that they had at receiver. And I think that if they had draft, and with Tennessee, I'm a little bit more skeptical of it because you have a number one pick that you're dropping in a quarterback. With this team, it's kind of like, you know, it's sink or swim for Justin. The fact that it's going to be Alan Lazard and Josh Reynolds next to Garrett Wilson, it's hard for me to really care about that or get up in arms about that, even if it should probably be better if you're trying to build a receiver room from scratch, right?

Well, if you're thinking about this from Justin Fields' perspective, last year in Pittsburgh, it was no good. If nothing else, you've got Garrett Wilson now. And that's better than what you had before. So you might actually be viewing this from like a glass half full. kind of perspective. The Justin Fields contract specifically. We didn't really talk about it at the time because it was a team that needed a starting quarterback

and I get the bet that they're making. It's a similar bet that a lot of teams have made over the last couple off seasons. Guy was a first round pick, hits free agency. We can sign him for a pretty cheap contract. We'll see if we can rejuvenate his career. Here's the difference between this signing and a lot of the other ones that we had.

Justin Fields got $30 million, guaranteed from the Jets. That's three times what Sam Darnold got last year. What do you think Baker Mayfield's deal was when he initially signed with the bucks? Oh, the first time on the one year deal? I mean, it was like $8 million, I would imagine. $4 million. So this is, even if the bet is similar, and that's why you can get behind it, they paid a

premium to take that bet. I think in part because the previous few have worked out for the teams that made them. And so I think the potential return on this when you're going to have to pay him, it's $10 million against the cap this year and $20 million next year. So with Rogers's dead money, even if you move on from Fields after this year, you're going to be paying $50 million against the 2026 cap at quarterback because of the Justin Fields thing. So we can treat it as like a throwaway signing where it's like all house money if it hits, but they paid a decent amount to take this swing. And we didn't really frame it in those terms when it initially happened. They definitely did.

And I think it's, it hurt them in terms of what they were going to be able to do with other positions this off season, right? Like they theoretically, if they only signed them for half that, could have, you know, brought in another, a different or better corner, another defensive line. And whatever it is that they wanted to do with it. I don't think it stops them from taking a quarterback next year if they suck, though. And to me, that's like almost all that really matters with a contract like this. I totally agree with that when it comes to the directions they can go a quarterback. For me, it's more about why, who else was given Justin Fields that contract? And if the answer is, are you in a spot when you're in that contract.

Are you in a spot where you're, if you're the Jets, where that's a move you let somebody else make? Because if you don't think he's your long-term answer anyway, and this really is a flyer, why do you need to be allocating $20 million to him next year? Should you have taken a dirt cheap option here? Because you probably know this isn't your long-term answer anyway. Probably. I just, I wonder if Aaron Glenn walking. into the situation kind of just wanted certainty is the wrong word here but just to be like this is

a little bit more set it and forget it than taking someone who's on a lower deal or walking into the draft not knowing what they were going to do like that's totally fair if you want to make sure we want to be a little bit more competitive than that right like we're not totally trying to tear this thing down we'd rather kind of straddle the line i get that as a choice but i just think it's an interesting deal we just don't see many deals like this the deals in this range that we typically see are kind of like the jimmy garoppolo contract a couple of years. years ago or the Minshew deal last year, for the most part, when you're signing quarterbacks in that range, as you get into year two of those deals, there's a little bit of buyer's remorse.

And I just think we probably could see that even if the theoretical upside and the competency you'd be getting in year one with Justin Fields compared to, let's say they were the Kenny picket team or they were like in the Russell Wilson range of things. The Fields thing is probably more attractive. I'm just not sure how much more for paying double. which is what they did at the end of the day. I also, and this is dangerous, and I'm not necessarily defending this. I wonder if there was a part of the front office and the new coaching staff and all that that thought,

this defense is still really good and we can actually get them to play at an elite a level again. So if we just get a quarterback who can kind of muddy some stuff up for the opposing team, win a couple of games, get them to protect the ball, we can actually be competitive. And if they thought Fields was their only option in that tier to actually accomplish that, I can see the thinking for them, you know, wanting to be competitive right away. Again, I don't know if I would defend that, but I do think if that was their thinking, I mean, it was probably him or Kirk that are your best options for that, right? And Kirk is not nearly dynamic enough to do some of that other stuff.

Not dynamic enough. You'd have to give up a pick to get him. He would still probably cost more over those two years than Justin Fields was. So again, among all the other options, I get landing here. I just think it's important to point out what they paid to do it. I think the offense, as currently constructed, has a chance to be very fun and just very different as like a rushing unit. It's going to be a unique proposition and a unique challenge

when you look at teams around the league what they're bringing to the table this year. Everything else they did like, and I guess the last thing I'll say about the Fields thing, I don't think they did anything this offseason that will prevent them from doing anything next off season. And that to me is the most important thing based on where they are as a roster.

Like they should not have spent a ton of money this year. They didn't have a ton. I mean, they're currently sitting with like $27.5 million in cap space. But they're a big splash other than Fields being Brandon Stevens for that price. Fine. Like I'm totally on board with their free agent approach because I do think that when you're new regime still figuring things out, spending a ton of money just to do it, there isn't a huge benefit there. So that I could totally get on board with. Overall, I'm buying it for what it was. I'm fine with it. I get how they landed in all these places. I like Aaron Glenn. I'm excited about Aaron Glenn. I'm excited to see what he does. We'll see what happens with Tanner Extrant. I'm always I always pay attention to a guy that was passed over for that same job in the building. where everyone knows him best.

And that's kind of what happened in Detroit. And you're also passed over by a head coach and a staff that has done a very good job of identifying coaching talent over the last few years. So that's just one thing I would just make a note about that. And we'll see how that eventually goes. But overall, like, I'm looking forward to watching this team this year. I think they'll be weird and fun. See, and that's interesting too, though, because for as much as the Lions just passed him over,

Aaron Glenn was just with him in the Lions. And he decided to bring him over. So it's like, it may be Glenn. was he his first choice. That's a good point too. I mean, being that you're the Jets, probably not.

So that's, we'll see what happens. I think that, you know, hiring these guys from these really good systems and just hoping that they can do well when they get their shot, like this is the first time

we're seeing this with Detroit. It's the first time brain drain has really come for that organization in this way. So we'll see if that tree can start to proliferate a little bit. Next one here, the Las Vegas Raiders.

Extended Max Crosby on a huge deal that was, you know, a market-setting deal until Michael's Garrett's deal. Traded forward extended Gino Smith, two-year-75 million, 66 guaranteed after giving up a third-round pick. Jeremy Chin, two years 16 million. Malcolm Coons, one-year, 11 million. Brought back Adam Butler on a depth deal.

Alex Kappa on a depth deal. And then Eric Stokes, Alandon Roberts, Rahim Mostert, on just kind of one-year flyers. In the draft, Ashton Jentzy, 6th overall, Jack Besh, wide receiver in the second round. Darian Porter, Corner, Caleb Rogers Guard, Charles Grant tackle all in the third round, Dante Thornton, wide receiver in the fourth round, and Tonka Hemingway,

defensive tackle in the fourth round. Also hire Pete Carroll as their head coach, Chip Kelly as their OC, retain Patrick Graham as their defensive coordinator. Are you buying or selling the 2025 Raiders offseason? Can I say holding? Because I tried to buy,

I already bought so much stock when we were doing some of our Super Bowl shows and stuff, but I'm still pretty much there. Like obviously I love the Pete Carroll thing. I think Pete Carroll and Gino Smith is like a very good, let's be adults here type of head coach and quarterback duo to bring in. So I really like that. And then we've talked about it before.

I think a lot of times when new head coaches come in, they kind of just scrap everything, especially on their side of the ball. I really liked Pete Carroll actually keeping Patrick Graham around as the defensive coordinator. I think that made sense he's done a lot with not a lot of talent at certain points. And so I think he's been interested. interesting. And then we talked about it so much on the draft live show. They have a very unique approach to the way that the offense is going to function in terms of your two best players being your running back and your tight end and then kind of having this very weird kind of like flexible wide receiver room that I think is going to be a lot of guys who are just kind of playing roles. But that's all they need to be if Gentie and Bowers are who we think they are. So it's a very fascinating team that I think I'm mostly buying what they got here. I still have some questions about the defense. But it's I'm buying in.

I'm buying it. And we can have questions about the defense, but this is the example of a team that, why does it matter if we've got like some third or fourth round picks a corner? We're not going to be competitive anyway. We might as well see if they can do it rather than spending a ton of money in free agency when we don't really have an understanding of this roster who we are. So that approach, they have $120 million in cap space next off season. So now you have a year to what are we?

what are we good at? What do we need to do? Then we can supplement the roster next spring after finding that out because we have a shitload of money to do it. That to me is a totally reasonable, defensible approach. What this feels like to me, and I'm sure other people have made this comparison, but I haven't heard it anywhere, so I'm not stealing it. You're trying to be the 2013 chiefs. Yeah. That's what you're trying to do. Right? So you have a- That is a wonderful comparison. Wow. Oh, I let it out on a bunch of different fronts here, right? So everyone's 10 years older.

I think that's worth bringing up. Seven to 10 years older. Gino's 35, 36, Alex Smith was 30, and then Pete Carroll, 73, and Andy Reid was 55 when he got hired by the Chiefs. But even if we're accelerating and cranking up the age knob, what you're trying to do is you are going out and getting adults to remake how a franchise feels that has just been in the wilderness for a while now. By doing that, you eventually need off-ramps, and we can discuss that.

But that's a problem for future John SpyTech, not a problem for current John SpyTech. So you look at even the players that they have, the best players on the 2013 and 2014 chiefs, their best offensive skill position players, were a tight end and a running back. So even the offense is built the same way. And you need off-ramps. Andy Reid, again, was 55. He can coach it for 10 years. bringing back Patrick Graham.

I think the best case scenario here, you stay competitive for a couple years. Gino is somebody that gives you competency at quarterback. You can evaluate everyone around him. You create a little bit of excitement around the organization if you're competitive from day one in a really hard division. Eventually, you're going to move on from Gino, the same way the chiefs need to move on from Alex Smith.

You're going to probably need to move on from the coach too by the time you're ready to be competitive. In three years, is Patrick Graham, the head coach of this team, while you retain Chip Kelly as the offensive coordinator. and the understanding you probably then, again, need to make a big splash move at quarterback. Is that the best case scenario and the best path for the Raiders?

I think probably. And I think if you're seeing that as the path, it's kind of easy to buy into a lot of the stuff that they did this offseason. So I think that's a great comparison, but I honestly now that I think about this could go two slightly different ways, because the other team that I kind of had in mind for the way that they're trying to do this thing is when Bruce Ariens got to Arizona. That's another good one.

And they go get Carson Palmer and it's like, all right, we've got four years maybe of this, of a quarterback that we're going to try to get to play at a really high level again. And we're just going to kind of go for it. And obviously, that was a team that, I mean, they went to what, the NFC championship in 2015? Like, that's, I could totally see Pete Carroll really trying to energize this team to go and do that. And so obviously it's not going to happen this year. The defense is far away.

But you mentioned how much money they have. If this draft class hits and then they go and spend that much, you know, you maybe get one or, you know, one more first round pick to do something for you. I could start to talk myself into them being that kind of good. The hangup, obviously, is you play in the AFC West, which is an incredibly, incredibly difficult division. Yes. And if you look at certain areas of the roster this year, it's going to be a problem. It's going to be an adventure. We're going to be in a hold on to your hats sort of deal with the cornerback room, safety, offball linebacker.

But again, who cares? Like, why does it matter? You didn't need to fill all those holes. You couldn't have filled all those holes in one off season. So you're taking swings on offensive line depth. You go get a receiver because you absolutely needed one. Everything that they did, Gentie, I think is probably the best player. They could have drafted at that spot.

I had a really, really interesting conversation with an executive last week about where we should draft running backs and how drafting a running back in the top 10 actually isn't a bad idea. It's drafting a running back later in the first round or even in the second round. It's kind of like the way that he was just not good enough is. It's like quarterback. Like if you're going to draft one of these guys at high, just draft one of the truly like freak show dudes who's truly going to make a difference for you. And then if you don't do that, just sign a guy off the street.

Like have it just be a scrap heap position. I've never thought about it like that. But if you look at it, there's actually maybe some credence to that approach. There really is. Because, you know, again, people will do the value thing of like, is it still worth it to take a running back that high? Like, the guys who go that high until they get hurt are exactly as good as they're supposed to be. And so that's kind of it.

Like the Sequans, the bejons, now are the genties. Gurley, if you do that, is that actually the right approach? And rather than saying never draft the running back that high. I don't know where I land on it, but it's a good question. And those guys are good out of the gate. It's not like some of these other positions. It's like, oh, quarterback, there's usually going to be a long runway. Sometimes corner can be a long runway.

No, the backs who are good are good week one of their rookie year. And you know it. And again, Pete Carroll being a guy who probably wants to be good sooner than later, a guy like Gentile actually makes a lot of sense for that. I can get on board with a lot of the stuff they did this off season. I think it's pretty easy to defend. I'm excited to watch them. And again, you're really just setting yourself up for next year when maybe we can be a little bit aggressive

because we think we're going to be competitive. Or we think that if we fill this and this hole with some big money players, you know, maybe we can be a playoff team in a year or two, something like that. I think that's still optimistic, but I think the path is there based on some of the other stuff that they did. I don't know how long Pete Carroll is going to be there,

but if there is some blend of the Bruce Ariens in Arizona slash Andy Reid-Alex-Smith Chiefs, I can see the vision for that sort of approach when you've been, again, just kind of out in the cold for as long as the Raiders have been. All right, we're going to take one more quick break and then get back with our final two teams. I made a joke about this one on Twitter.

I feel like this is a question you'd ask somebody if you're trying to make them go insane. Are you buying or selling the New Orleans Saints off season? So let's get to it. Coaching changes. Kellan Moore in. Doug Nuss Meyer is their OC. Brands Daly is their DC.

Acquisitions and extensions. Retained Chase Young on a three-year $51 million deal. Justin Reed, three years, $31 million. Jawan Johnson, three years, $31 million. My favorite detail about the Chase Young and Joanne Johnson deals is both of them lowered their 2025 cap hits by giving them those extensions. Brandon Cook's two years, $13 million, $7 million. acquired Devon Godshaw from the Patriots and then Isaac Yottom, the cornerback on a smaller deal.

Drap picks, Calvin Banks 9th overall, Tyler Shuck 40th overall in the second round. Defense to tackle Vernon Broughton in the third round, Jonas Sanker, safety in the third round, Danny Stutzman linebacker in the fourth round, Quincy Riley, cornerback in the fourth round. This team made six picks in the top 131. They did not trade up in the draft for the first time in a decade. So congratulations to everyone involved with the New York Saints. draft approach, or New Orleans Saints draft approach. Are you buying or selling the 2025 New Orleans Saints offseason?

For almost every other team here in my notes, I have a pretty definitive buy or sell. And there might be like a small caveat, but for the most part, I am on one side of the fence. For the Saints, I just put, I don't know. I'm not really feeling it. I just, there are some stuff that they did that I don't necessarily hate. Like, I actually loved the Kelvin Banks pick. Don't mind taking a second round swing at quarterback. back. It seems like that's kind of their plan now. Just take a bunch of swings and see who hits.

Justin Reed, I know, was probably too expensive for where they are at as a team, but they had some of the worst safety play in the league, I thought last year. So I actually didn't hate that. And then obviously you draft another guy and Jonas Sanker, so that helps. Retain Chase Young, which again, I kind of thought he was a player that might still have a little bit more as he continues to get into the prime of his career. Still a very young player. Like he's been around, but he just came in so early and he was hurt. So I like a lot of that stuff. But the more higher feels a little bit uninspiring to me. The defense is still getting older without enough youth injection to me to get really excited about. Even some of the stuff you want to get excited about on the offense, Chris Alavi and Rashidjjaheed, both coming off of injuries. And Alavi in particular, stays hurt all the time. And then Camara was quietly fantastic last year, but is getting older for running back. And you just don't know how long he's going to retain it.

So, like, I don't even necessarily hate some of the stuff they did this off season. It's almost like the Giants thing where it's like how much does this really move the needle for me? Uninspired, I think, is a really good way to put it. Everything that they did, even if a lot of attracts, I just feel very unmoved by most of it. The Derek Carr thing is obviously the biggest sticking point here. They probably, they could have moved on from him. They would eat $50 million in dead money this year, I believe, depending on when they cut him. But I think you would have tried to trade him because he does have some trade value.

Well, now you thought he was going to be your quarterback. you move some of the money around. Now that's going to hurt you next year because he's a $59 million dead cap hit next year and he's a $20 million debt cap hit total this year after you did the restructure. So you're paying a lot of money to him now over two years after having moved some of that money around

thinking he might be your quarterback. Now he's probably not going to be with that injury. So now you have to pick Tyler Shuck in the second round. Let's do this. Do you have to pick Tyler Shuck in the second round? Okay. Do you think that the way that they approach the post-derick Carr quarterback situation

was the right way to approach it. I don't hate them trying it, right? Especially where, like, I think in some cases drafting a quarterback who is exactly like the one you have can be tricky. But if they thought Carr was good enough and they think Shuck can just be that but healthy, fine, which again for him,

health is always a question. So again, I don't know if I would defend it that way, but that is the thinking. I thought Spencer Rattler was a better prospect. And I thought he did show some stuff last year despite, some of the players that he was having to play with with some of the injuries at receiver and stuff.

So I honestly, if they were going to end up in the situation where it's just like play car for however healthy he can be and then otherwise we just play Spencer Rattler, I actually would have been perfectly fine with that as well. But if cars hurt, right, and you don't have an option and you don't feel good about Spencer Rattler, you're putting somewhat of a tough spot. My question is, should we have decided to find that stopgap option

with a 40th overall pick? because when you draft a quarterback 40th overall, I think the message that you're sending is we think this guy is our starter and we think this guy is going to be our starter for a while. And do they make that pick if Derek Carr is going to be healthy? That would be the question I would love to ask some people

in that front office. Did you do this because you needed an answer or did you do this because you think this guy is potentially a multi-year starter for you? If the answer is the former, I would be more critical of it than if the answer was the latter. And I mean that's a fascinating question too.

Like I because again, if did they only do this because car is hurt or even with the Rattler thing is it like did more did Kellan Moore come into the building watching that that tape and be like even as our backup developmental guy like I want something else. And so like that could have been that. That's fair. That's fair. And so I don't know. Again, I for a team that is so obviously entering. They were already in the wilderness a little bit at quarterback before Derek Carr got hurt. And now that he is, I'm not going to necessarily fault the team for taking a swing like this.

But again, I thought Rattler was a better player. So I'm not killing more. I'm not making those decisions. He doesn't have to play quarterback for me. But I probably thought Rattley would have been fine. You're going to be stuck in a financial morass or you were going to be almost no matter what you did if you were the Saints. So moving cars, money around, the Camara extension, et cetera. And they're still under it next year.

Like it's going to be hard for them to move a bunch of money around. I'm like the hope next offseason is you don't do too much to start stealing away from 2027. We'll see about that. But they end. But that's kind of where I land with this. I feel like this is very status quo for the Saints this off season. They move the money around that they needed to, like based on where they were, quarterback, I think the Shuck thing makes sense.

The Kellyn Morris higher, like that point in the cycle. Other people had turned you down. And like, I think it's hard to get overly excited about that. But did you have a better option? But the thing I keep coming back to is them bringing back the same front office structure and them sticking with the status quo and them just saying we're going to keep trying to ride this out. That's the part that I think is the most frustrating to me. This felt like an opportunity as an organization to just say, we're cutting the court. We're starting over.

This is our fresh slate. Maybe that happens next year when you have potentially a lot of money to spend into 2027. them just again just kind of maintaining the status quo and just like keeping the band together let's keep on rolling i just again it leaves me unmoved i just have questions about whether that was the right approach or whether this was the chance to just say we're ready to change we're ready to do something different and we're ready for new voices and new ideas in the building i love that point actually i think that is why i feel uninspired by some of this even if i can get it because the reason I'm so inspired about the Raiders

is that I look at both Pete Carroll and Gino Smith and go, okay, I am, they are doing something fun and aggressive at the two most important positions on a football team and head coaching quarterback. With the Saints, both of both Kellynmore and Tyler Shuck just feel like, well, we needed somebody. And like that's just, and like maybe it works out right. They might be really good at this, who knows.

It's hard for us to pin that down sometimes. We're wrong about that shit a lot. We are, exactly. It's just, but from the outside, from what we know, Both of those moves just felt like, well, we need somebody to hold this spot. And it's just, it's hard to get excited about that, even if there is the potential that maybe they are as good as they need to be. And again, when you look at the moves that they made in free agency and the draft, I kind of like

the fact that they just did what they should have done. They made all their picks. They didn't move that many contracts around. Like, they did what they needed to do to get under the cap. And so I just feel like this is, this was the right level of restraint when it came to some of the team building levers. I just don't know how excited I am about any of it moving forward. I think that's kind of where I land with this team.

And also, like, do they have two off-seasons of that in them? Like, can they be restrained for two off-season? We'll see. They have so much money. They're slated to have so much cap space in 2027. Right now it's $127 million. And it's kind of just because they haven't signed players to take that up. But Derek Carr, Tassum Hill, Ryan Ramcheck, Alvin Camara, Camer, Camerdon, Camero,

Demario Davis, Tyron Matthew, all of those guys are going to be gone. And so you're out from under a good chunk of those contracts by the time you get to 2027. They have so much cap space that even if they have to do a couple things next year that are slightly irresponsible to eat into it, they're still likely going to have a ton of cap space in 2027 as they approach what feels more like a blank slate. So this kind of just feels like an interstitial offseason before they really kind of figure out what they want to be moving forward. And I guess I don't hate anything they did.

I just, it's hard to get overly invested in anything that they did. I mean, I think that's interesting, though, that both with them and with Cleveland, I think we have felt just hard to capture, like, how we feel about it because all of the stuff they did was like, well, you kind of had to. I mean, what else were you going to do? Yeah. Even like the Justin Reed thing, it's like, I don't know. It's hard for me to get overly upset about signing Justin Reed to that sort of contract.

You signed a good player to a position they absolutely needed. Like, it's whatever. Yeah, the Cook's deal is a one-year deal. It's whatever. And again, like Chase Young and the Joanne Johnson deals, Juan Johnson's 28, Chase Young is a young player, and those literally brought down cap hits for you. And I don't think having those guys on your books

over the next couple of years is so bad that those deals weren't worth signing. Just a lot of, I don't understand the question. I won't respond to it with where the Saints currently sit. Last one here, sticking in the NFC South, the Carolina Panthers. Extended J.C. Horn, $25 million a year, $72 million guaranteed. Smaller extensions for Tommy Trembal, Andy Dalton, Alston Corbett.

Trevon Merrick, three years 51 with 34 and a half guaranteed. Treshaun Warton, three years 45, 30.3 guaranteed. Bobby Brown, from formerly of the Rams, three years, 21 with $9 million guaranteed. Patrick Jones, for edge depth, two years, $15 million, $10 million guaranteed. Brought back Mike Jackson, Corner on a small deal, and then Rico Dowdell on a small deal. Tedroa McMillan, eighth overall in the draft, Nick Scorton in the second round, 51st overall on the edge.

Prince Lee Oumani Allen, third round, 77th overall, Trevor Eton, running back in the fourth round, and then Lathen Ransom safety in the fourth round. Are you buying or selling the 2025 Carolina Panthers offseason? I think I'm buying. I think there are some individual signings and draft picks that, like, maybe I could quivolive.

like what I've taken like what I've taken um on meal that high probably not like he's just not kind of the type of player for me like it's 77 though I know but like I just that's not the type of player that I love like it's just it's not necessarily for me um

Treshawn Warden again was a lot of money for for I think what he is um just certain stuff like that like I didn't maybe necessarily fall in love with every you know pick and signing but they attacked all of the things that they needed to you needed a new X receiver You got one in the draft.

You needed a million bodies on the front seven, and they signed a million bodies on the front seven and drafted a few more. And so I guess, like, if there was anything I could quibble with maybe a one or two more players in the secondary would have been nice, but you can only fix so many things. Exactly. For me, the biggest thing for them was can we get one more serious pass catcher for

Bryce Young, boom, check? And can we go from the literal worst front in football last year to like the 19th best front. Like, can we do that? And they did. And so it's like, it's pretty hard for me to quibble with what they did.

I'm in. I'm buying it. I'm buying like almost every single thing that they did. A couple that you could quibble with. The Wharton thing is an interesting one. Okay. That's a moment where the market is what the market is. As soon as Kinlaw signs that deal,

I mean, Treshaun Wharton was more productive last year than Javon Kinlaw. So giving him $20 more than Kinlaw. than Kinlaw got if you want him on your team is probably what you're going to have to do. And all of their free agent signings, you know, Pat Jones, maybe, I'm not sure if this is his second contract, but I think he's only 28, all the other guys, the guys they gave like real money to, Bobby Brown, Tershawne, Trevin Merrick, all second contract players, all of them. And so if you're going to spend in free agency trying to find multi-year building blocks

to do that, I don't really mind that if you have money to spend in the way that the Panthers did. The one question I'd ask you about Wharton, I'm very curious your answer to this. So you could have Wharton for 15 million, or you could have Milton Williams for 25 million. Which would you rather have? Because that's the choice they were making. Yeah, I guess if you're in a, if you're in a tier of team like this, I mean, it probably is Wharton. I think the math changes if you think you're going to be competitive, but I don't think any of these teams do. So it actually might be Wharton, even though I do think Will Williams is.

is the better player, obviously. So you got Williams and, excuse me, you got Wharton and Bobby Brown for the price that you could have spent on Milton Williams. And I think when you're where the Panthers are, that's probably what you should do. And so that's what, looking at the Wharton's contract through that lens,

I think it's a little bit easier to get behind it. Again, when you think about where Kinlo was in the market and then what some of the alternatives could have looked like and the fact that they were willing to push away from the table with the Milton Williams thing. That's a good point. It's because obviously Derek Brown was hurt last year. But the guys outside of Derek Brown were also not good.

So they really did need two bodies there. And so actually, again, when you frame it that way instead of how can we just get the best guy, I'm actually, you kind of got me there. Yeah, and they got some good decent depth. Like Asian Robinson is still there. And so Bobby Brown's 24 years old. If signed a 24-year-old free agents, I'm probably not going to equip it with that for the most part. I think I'm going to be okay with that most of the time when you're in a spot where the Panthers were.

I'm 100% with you on the corners and just the state of that room. only do so much in one single offseason. You can't fill every single hole when you had probably the least talented defense in the NFL last year. But if you look at what they did up front, right? Scorton, Princeley, the guys they signed in free agency, every single one of those guys. Like you could walk into 2026 with Scorton and Princeley is your two edge guys. You probably want one more as part of that equation.

You'll get, you can get one of the third edge rusher next off season. But then you got Warden, Brown. You still have Derek Brown. so you have a three-player rotation there. All of the things you did this off-season with your front could be multi-year solutions as you keep on building this thing. And the same thing goes with Merrick. So I like what they did on defense,

and I can easily get on board with the McMillan thing. They still needed one more guy. And so taking the best player you could to try to fully kind of put together your swings on offense and then use everything else to just try to build up the tissue of your defense, that's probably how they should have gone about this off-season. And that's exactly how they did. about this offseason.

Yeah, because last season was the, last off season was the, all right, spend everything on the offense, fix the offensive line, make sure we can do all this stuff. And so this was now the other side of the front gets the love that it needs. And again, that's a really good point about how many young guys they now have in the front, whether it's the free agents they signed or drafting so many guys. It gives you so much freedom for next off season to be like, okay, we know these front guys are going to be here for three years. Now we can start to throw the resources at the secondary, which is going to need a,

a pretty big makeover outside of Horn and Merrick. And that's when you look at teams like the Patriots who spent a ton of money, by the way. The Panthers spent a lot of money in free agency, a lot of money. But the players they spent money on in free agency, you're paying for hopefully what is going to be their primes. And some of the other teams that threw a lot of money around that we talked about today, they didn't necessarily spend money on those sorts of players. And I just think if you look back at the last three, four, five years, the teams that have been in rebuilding mode that have spent money in free agency and been happy about the way that they spent that money,

it's often on second contract players that have a little bit of runway. And those exactly the types of guys that the Panthers won after. That's a really good point. They, I don't know. They have a lot here. Like it, I don't want to say they, when I look at the roster, there's actually a lot of it that reminds me of Denver last year. And I, obviously, Sean Payton, I think it was an incredible coach.

But just in terms of the way that this thing is built, there's a lot of similarities here. And they, lucky for them, have a significantly easier division. to play in than the Broncos did last year. I mean, outside of the Saints and I guess the Browns just based on what both those teams are, a lot of these teams, I'm excited to see what they are. I'm looking forward to what the 20, 25 Panthers will look like. I'm both sides of the ball.

And I think you could say that for a lot of these teams. Like the Jets will be weird, but I'm interested in that. The Raiders will be weird, but I'm interested in that. So the fact that these teams who are, these are the basement dwellers, right? They did enough this off season. a lot of the ones that we were buying for us to at least muster up some excitement about them. That's really all you can ask for based on what last season looked like for a good chunk of these teams. Yeah, the fact that I don't feel like any of these teams were actively taking a step back.

And I guess in the off season, it's hard to imagine that. There's so much change that you could probably spend it the right way for a lot of these teams. But the fact that I didn't feel compelled to do that for the most part here is a good sign. Which fan base are you most afraid of after recording this show? Oh, the Giants. I said their quarterback wasn't good. It's always the team that you say the quarterback's not good. Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned about all of that.

I mean, it's going to be fine. But that's definitely the team that I think will probably take the most issue with our summation of how the last couple months have gone. Good news is we got three more of these. We're doing one a week over the next three weeks. I love doing this exercise. I think it's a really fun way to just kind of process everything that's happened over all free agency in the draft. And so we're going to keep chipping away at these for now. That's all we got.

As I mentioned at the top, we are back on our four. day a week schedule, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. We'll be doing that over the next several weeks. So please be on the lookout for a bunch of shows coming your way. For now, that's all we got. I appreciate you guys listening. We'll talk to you soon.