The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Questions we still have following the 2024 NFL Draft

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

On Nate Tice’s final episode of The Athletic Football Show, he joins Robert Mays to talk about the biggest questions we still have following the 2024 NFL Draft. What can we expect from the Seahawks? How good can the Colts be? What will happen with the looming QB extensions? They dig into all of that and more. Plus, they look back on their time together on the show.Follow Robert on Twitter: @robertmaysFollow Nate on Twitter: @Nate_TiceSubscribe to The Athletic Football Show...AppleSpotifyYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the athletic football show. The athletic football show. I'm Robert Mays. Joining me today. It's my good friend Nate Tyson. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing well. I have a sentimental shirt on,

which if anyone sees the video, would be like, why is it macho man, Randy Savage? Purple shirt, a sentimental shirt. But it is because it does have some meaning to me. I want to just dive right into it? Go for it, bud. Let's go.

So this will be my last episode as an official member of the Athletic Football Show. It's a good thing. It's going to have some great opportunities ahead. It's a great thing, which many of you will find out very soon. But this is my last episode. So this was the shirt I wore for our very first episode of the Athletic Football Show, which was the NFC North preview in 2020. Yeah.

I think my cat made GELD. My cat mage yelled the entire time. I we had to re-record we had to add on because the onican gawkway got traded and to the Vikings and then you like hit me up and you're like hey we got re-record this part I thought I messed up and it turns out no the trade happens afterwards and I was like that was my first introduction to the production side of all this so it's uh yeah a lot of feelings going on good and a little yeah very sentimental very sentimental right now I've said this to you privately I'll now say it's you publicly congratulations

it's an opportunity that you so deserve and I'm so proud of you. And watching you carve out a space for yourself in this industry and come from where you started to where you are now has been so gratifying and rewarding for me personally, not only as someone who works with you, but also as your friend. And I just feel so incredibly grateful for the chance to have done this with you. You know, to think back to us playing shuffleboard at Kilroy's at 3 a.m. at the combine like 10 years ago and when we were just a couple of idiots who had no idea what we were doing with our lives to where we are now this opportunity to build something with a friend is not lost on me you know getting to start the show and watch it grow has been the most fulfilling thing i've

ever gotten to do in my career and it would not be possible without you so to have a partner that you know is going to put in everything he has to every show that's not a given in this business, and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate everything you brought to this every single day. And I'm going to miss doing this with you, but I'm so proud of where you're going and what you build for yourself, and I know you're going to crush it, man. Oh, thank you. I'm trying to avoid eight tears, because I'm an ugly crier. So I'm trying, you don't want to break that well. Dude, it's that time you called me out of the blue. And you're like, hey, got this thing going at the athletic. And I referred to this before.

but I remember just being like, yeah. And just being, I was so honored that you thought I could keep up, you know, but I will say I was, I started as a fan of yours with you and Barnwell. And the fact that not only both of you become friends, you're invited to my wedding, you know, from the fact from a tweet reply 10 years ago, 10 years ago, has turned into this. And it's, I don't know, I, you know, people have different ways to go about it. like how they put it, but it's just so crazy how life aligns sometimes and just how

one thing leads to another and everything happens for a reason. It's like, I never tweeted then. And the fact that I was like, you know what? You know what? He's talking about my dad's pencil right now. Like, yeah, I'm going to reply. I like Robert Mace. He seems okay. And you were more than okay. You turn out to be a good friend. You've met my whole family. I've met your family. And like you said, doing this with you, it was at the speed that we can do this at, speed meeting just like just the pace that we both were trying to achieve and that watching you and the new chapter in your life, you know, becoming married, you know, all of a sudden just and, you know, becoming sober. I, it's been amazing watching the energy you've channeled into your family

and your relationships and now your work. And it's, I, I'm glad, of course, that we got to do this as friends, but even if we weren't friends, it would have been amazing to get you in this part of your life as a coworker. because you had that drive and I had that drive too. It wasn't all hunky dory for me getting into media. Like, I had no idea what was doing with my life. I was opening up a state farm when Robert called me. I still opened up the state farm.

That first year on the pod, I did a couple of episodes from my state farm office. I was like, I had to tell people. And every day, I'm just like, thank God he called me. Because imagine me selling insurance people. I'm the worst salesperson ever. Because as soon someone goes, yeah, I don't think that's right for me. I go, absolutely, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

That's not right for you. And some people say we agree too much, but I think that's why we're friends. It's because we both have that sensibility, I think. So there's just so much that's happened over the years, the growth. The draft show is the best indicator of that, you know, going from, we joke about it, from that table to what it was that monstrosity five days ago. It's, but it's all, I mean, yeah, you drove me. Like, it's easy to get complacent in any work.

And I think just the, we tried to find a lot of new stuff, not the navel gays or anything, but just we tried to find new stuff, but it was, it was all honest. It was all just like, hey, you think this interesting. I think this interesting. Let's talk about it. And there's not a lot of people that had that curiosity. So I just want to thank you for just doing this. Like, I mean, this was just so much, it was so much fun.

It was like work, but it never felt like work. There was stress, but it never felt that stressful. It was the greatest job. So I just can't thank you enough, man. It's just so much fun. I appreciate. you rewarding the faith that I had and knew it every step. And it was so incredibly gratifying and rewarding to watch you do that. And I know you're going to keep doing amazing things. And,

you know, this will not be the end. You'll be back on the show. And I'm sure we'll be doing stuff with each other down the road. But we're doing the quarterback draft still? I don't think so because we're doing it next week. So I'm sorry. I listen, we all, we all make choices in life and that comes to consequences. God, dang it. All right. Well, we'll figure that out. Well, we'll figure this out. No, we got to get a couple of those. The Hollow Very Good. Maybe we do that later this summer.

Maybe that's the move. But bits like that, it was just so fun. The Hollow Very Good one was so fun for us because it was like, let's talk about the Odyssey Central. Just remember some guys. We'll do some, remember some guys pods at some point over the next couple years. That's all I ask. That's all I ask.

All right, we do have a show to do today. And what we're going to do is talk about the biggest questions that we still have now that the draft is over. You know, this is, people, I think, probably conceive of what it's like to cover the NFL as the season ends and then the season is over. And then you kind of start the off season. That's never how I've conceived of it. For me, it's always been you go from the time training camp starts essentially until the draft is over. Like, that is how football season works, especially now with 17 games. There's only a week and a half between the Super Bowl and the combine.

So now this is when the page really gets turned. and we start looking forward and we start digging into what I will deem offseason content as we feed the content beasts. But before we start that in earnest, I wanted to just kind of consider some of the dominoes that are still to fall, whether it's team building, you know, contracts that might be handed out, some guys that might be on the move. So that's what we're going to talk about today. Just the biggest questions that we still have now that teams have gone all the way through the draft. I will give you the honors here. what is the number one question you have now that the draft is over?

Oh, man, but number one is kind of like, it's not the most important one that's on my mind. Yeah, just the first one. The first one you have on your list. This is actually kind of random, but I've just really been thinking about this team. What the hell are the Seahawks? Like, what is the pace of this team? What do they look like on both sides of the ball? Good and bad.

I don't mean this in the bad way. Like, we've done that. What the hell are you guys doing? I think I see what they're doing, but I just want to see what this looks like. I want to see what this defense looks like. I want to see what the reimagined vision. Are they going to be a sneaky good team? Are they bombing this year?

Like, they, I think this has been on my mind because someone asked me the other day. Like, do you think they're like a sneaky good team? I'm just like, I kind of like stared and I'm just like, I don't know what I think of them. Like, I don't know how I think they'll finish. So I don't know, but that's just a big question. It's not like I think they need to make a move. It's more just something that's been in the back of my mind now more often than not. on a team that I spent a lot of time last year thinking about

and kind of went on the back burner for the last few months. I'm not going to lie, sorry, Seattle fans. I like the new head coach. I'm interested. I like the new offensive coordinator. They still have Gina. They still have some interesting pieces. But I just, that's a team that I'm maybe just very curious this entire season,

seeing what this new regime looks like because we're in a post-beat world. And yeah, just overall, that is just a, what are you? More than anything, it's just, what are you the Seahawks? I totally understand that one. And that dovetails a little bit with one of the questions that I had. And is, are we going to see any veteran traits in the next couple months? And one of the positions I was going back to was the Seahawks receivers. Is there a chance they deal one of those guys?

If you look at the Seahawks salary cap situation right now, it's fascinating. Okay? So right now, they have no cap space for this year. And then they have $3 million in 2025 cap space based on their current contract. If they have had out. Three million. Three. There was not a 30.

That was three. Three million heading into 2025. And so you look at it, and it's, they have, D.K.'s cap hit is 29.5 million. Lockett's cap hit is 31 million. They have 23 million for Draymond Jones, 29 million for Leonard Williams, 21.5 million for Eugenna Nuwosu, 13 and a half million for Noah Phant. And so something's got to give with this. And there's a chance.

that some of these older guys that were signed by the previous regime, that's where it gives. They can move on from Draymond Jones and save a bunch of money. If they move on from Gino, they save a bunch of money. So it's possible that they go with those pieces who are aging out a little bit, maybe aren't quite as valuable to this new coaching staff or new front office. But I look at those receivers and locket specifically. Lockett's 32. He's not under contract beyond 2025.

They would save a ton of money if they moved on from him. So if I were a team that needed wide receiver help, I'd at least call in part because of what you're talking about. It just feels like this is a team in transition. And I'm just wondering who's part of the transition and who's not if I'm a vulture circling looking for one of these pieces. What do you think of them? What do you think of them? Do you like him coming out? Did you like him coming out of college?

Do you like that? Also, yeah, though, that's very interesting. Especially teams like the Texans who seem to be like involved with every trait. talk. Like, that's what it just, it's like, are they calling for another veteran receiver? I don't think they are. But it's just, no, you're right. Especially that they have a couple guys that are different flavors and also somewhat similarly tiered, DK, probably a little better, obviously, but just like, you know, in the grand scheme of things, like, it's just how these guys are going to go. But that's interesting to me is, like, if both of them, I'm surprised both of them were still

there. Like, I thought by this time, especially once these guys get in, But, yeah, the Seahawks are just an overall interesting team. The vet, who else would be, like, vet receivers? I, like, the name Cooper Cup got brought up last week, which came out of nowhere for me. And then I was just like, and then that kind of... I think they're in on this year, though. That would be surprising to me. Let's say they had drafted Brock Bowers.

And maybe that's the move where you move on from a Cooper Cup because they overlap in terms of their usage. Maybe that happens. I would say that the Cooper Cup thing was a good thing to jog my brain about, like, oh, yeah, these guys could be the carrots. You know, these are... It's not just draft picks that are traded. I think about it had them, like, how many firsts are the, you know, the Rams going to have to give up?

You can use Patrick Certain. You can use Cooper Cup as got the carrot and the fodder. So I always just, that was a good reminder of that. I got one more receiver name for you, and I think it's going to break your heart a little bit. But if you look at the chessboard, I do think it would make sense for the right team. Chris Godwin. I totally would. Chris Godwin is the final, it's the final year of him.

his deal, he has a massive cap hit for the bucks right now who have very little financial flexibility. If they traded him post-June 1, they would save about $20 million against the cap. And they have some flexibility into next year. But again, he's not under contract moving into next season. This is the team that's drafted multiple receivers in the last couple years. If they felt like they could piece it together, they just paid Mike Evans. The complicating factor there, Lockett has like a $4 million-based salary this year. So any team that traded for Lockett would easily be able to fold him in financially.

Godwin's at $18.5 million. So that's really the only like, ah, right, if you don't have a lot of space against the cap, would you be willing to extend him or move some money around in order to fit that? Murray Cooper was another guy traded during the offseason. I think his base salary when he was traded was like $20 million. The Browns always are willing to move money around. So that's partially why they were able to fit him in. But Godwin was the other name I was kicking around just because, again, 20-25 free agent

and the bucks would save a lot of money if they decided to move on from him after June 1st. I'm trying to think who he'd really, like, fit with. One came, I'm kind of like, because Godwin's got, oh, man, Chiefs, but they already splashed their guys. They went speed, and I'm just so sad. Because Godwin, Godwin of the homes, oh my God.

I talk about Satan. It's like, they had juju just getting fed. Godwin's like a better version of that. Oh, that would have been so good. But yeah, they already, they already blew their load on receivers. it seems like. At the other team, I was thinking Patriots, but they, again, they acquired a bunch of guys.

So I don't know what the best fit necessarily would be, but he's one that I just, just wanted to throw out there. I like that. And Polk's on the Godwin spectrum somewhere on there. It's like Larry Fitzgerald and Godwin are kind of like, there's the Hall of Fame version, there's the Pro Bowl version.

You know, Joe and Polk might be to step down from that. Like that's kind of funny. Like he's on that tier, though. Yeah, there's really no team that, like, jumps I mean so here's one let's tie this together one of the positions that I was thinking about for just okay you you have a need you know do you I thought you might address it you didn't end up doing it I think the lions need another receiver okay no Josh Reynolds they dress corner they dress corner they know Josh Reynolds and there's a chance that a Chris Godwin might be a

little bit too expensive for them but that's a team with 26 million dollars in cap space before they signed their free agent class, they probably would need to move some money around and make it happen. They've spent a bunch of money this off season on extensions. It's possible they wouldn't like that, but that's one team

and just looking at the depth charts very quickly that I would just throw out because where they find another receiver was also one of my questions that I wanted to talk about. A lot of mine are more like, this is what you're, this is what you guys are?

Are you guys cool with this? Like the Ravens? So this would be, it was kind of, these are all kind of quasi-question. but like, you're good with this? This is what we're at this year? But that's the thing with the Ravens.

I don't want to assess them until August 6th and the first week of camp is over. And then they signed this mercenary guy. They had this other, like, camp guy, you know, they had some trade and they had something in June. But like, as of right now, it's like, my question is like, you're good with this? You're good with this roster.

Which position group are you thinking about when you say that? The fronts on both sides is the kind of what I stare at. O-line especially, they tried. You know, the Roger Rosengarten, that was a good solid pick for them on day two. I think you could maybe step in at right tackle right away, go earn his strength and everything. But then I just thought the defensive front would get dressed a little bit more, maybe just one more body, one more piece there. And they kind of let it be. I know they kind of do the vet market and everything, but I thought maybe it had a lot.

That's pretty picked over by now, man. That's kind of what I was looking at. that. As a man who roots for a team that needs edge help, I've been staring at the list of available names for a long time. And the usual ones are getting older, the Houston's of the world. You know, like, those guys are getting older. Clayus Campbell is still available.

Oh, my God, the world's biggest edge. One of my highlights watching the Falcons last year was not the offense, but it was watching their defense and watching Colise Campbell play D-end at 320 pounds. And watching like poor tight ends, like Dalton Schultz. Like try so hard. Just try. Like try their best. Clayys Campbell, who's like barely moving.

It's just like moving them back into the backfield four yards. He's a nice and unique type. So I don't know if you guys want that especially. I mean, he can move inside. He's played on the Ravens. I mean, it would be easy if they wanted to bring him back. But defensive front, they drafted a D.A. DeS. Isaac in the third round.

And so they brought back Kyle Van Nuoy. They've got some bodies there. But my team specific, I had a couple team specific questions. Like, okay. there's not necessarily even a hole, but how is this going to shake out? My first one was how does the Ravens' offensive line shake out?

Because this is a group that was a strength for them last year. That guy's in and out of the lineup. They had a deal with injuries. Ronnie Stanley was hurt a little bit. They were rotating tackles on both sides when Morgan Moses got banged up. But now there's so many question marks.

They brought in Josh Jones as a free agent. He's played a little guard, a little tackle. So does he their right guard? With Ben Cleveland there? I don't know. Andrew Vorhees was somebody they drafted in a seventh round last year because he was coming off injury

everyone had conceded that he was better than a seventh round pick okay now we're past the injury is he your left guard don't know is Rosengarden garden going to come in and be the starting right tackle as a second round pick

with some warts you know to say the least which is why he's a second round pick I have no idea so this this team was the number one seat of the AFC last year they were like the favorite to come out of the AFC

and like the number two in Super Bowl betting odds. So the fact that we're going into this season with so many question marks, they deserve the benefit of the doubt, but I'm with you. I'm so curious how some of these position groups get sorted out because in their minds,

I'm sure they want to be the same sort of force they were last year. And I think that becomes a tall task when you consider some of the question marks that are still there. Well, that's what it is, is that if it weren't O-Line, if it's like, oh, who's catching passes from Lamar?

You know, all those things. It's the kind of really, it's the engine of this team, too, because they run the ball so much. They have Derek Henry, and I know Derek Henry is used to running behind some terrible offensive lines in Tennessee. So he's going to be like, hey, hey, this feels like home. So you still have that, but it's, I don't know, it's what really helped them out last year was Lamar was able to sit in those pockets and be a dropback passer, then get to the creation stuff, but you got to see some of those other gifts that he has and some of the other ability

you have because the line was good. It was so stout last year. Like Simpson and Zitler were, you know, Linderbonds undersized is a great athlete, but, you know, Simpson and Zitler is a very stout guard pairing, and neither of them are there anymore. That's what helped kind of kept them afloat as Ronnie Stanley's going through his stuff and all the tackle positions are going through there. It's like that was able to, like the solidifying force. So, yeah, the fact that they got away from it, it's kind of just, I just thought they would address it by now. And they kind of just kind of kept it at it. And again, like you said, the Ravens get the benefit of the doubt, but still it's just a question mark for me.

The Ravens offensive line was one of the team questions I had. Lyons wide receiver was another one. The other guy that I was going to float for the Lions, if I'm teams right now and I just need a reliable tertiary receiving option, I'm calling the Niners about Joannex. They drafted Pierce Hall in the first round. Jennings is a free agent after this year.

He's affordable. That is a call I'm making tomorrow if I need somebody to come in and be my third receiver. And I think for the lion specifically, think about how his skill set fits into what they need. He would be perfect. He would be perfect. So that's the guy I kept going back to. If I'm Brad Holmes, I'm calling John Lynch in 10 minutes.

And just what do you want for him? I love Kendrick Boren back in the day in that role. And John Jennings is better, better. Like, John Jennings should get paid this offseason once. I know he's a restricted region this last year. But this next offseason, once he's undraft or unrestricted free agent, oh my God. Like, he's such a good. That's a great call.

He's such a good secondary player. I would upgrade your tertiary. I'll upgrade him to secondary. He's above auxiliary. I think this is the rankings now. It's auxiliary, tertiary, secondary, primary. And with the lion specifically, I think he fits in really well. So that was one.

And then I have three teams that I'm curious where they seek out cornerback help. The Raiders, they did not draft corners. Hi. And it was one of the biggest needs they had coming into the draft. I just had the Raiders period. So that's good. So let's do that in a second. And then the other two teams that I have, Steelers,

where do the Steelers find a corner? Are they a Stefan Gilmore team? If we're thinking about the veteran free agents that are still on the market, and then the bucks. The bucks did not really spend big at outside corner in the draft. And they traded Carlton Davis.

Zion McCollum is in that spot right now. So those are the cornerback teams. But let's expand a little bit on your Raiders question, because I find them very interesting. I've thought more about them in the last 72 hours than I expected to post-draft. I don't hate it, but also on what is it? That's where I'm at?

Don't hate it, but where are we at with this? I just keep saying, you know, Gardner Mitchie, starting quarterback, so that kind of always brings me back down to earth. But this is a team that, like, they have some interesting pieces. The defense was so improved last year in the second half of the year, but then they didn't really add that kind of like another needle mover there. They went,

we're going to help out the offense, which I understand. But they signed Christian Wilkins in free agency. If he's not a needle mover for the price tag, that that's a fuck up. Okay. I'm at the draft. Because I thought they were going to go corner because who's playing there. And then, and they went Bowers, which we came around to it, even on the draft show, like, Dane's like, hey, it's still a great player.

And I'm like, yeah, it is. It's just like, I can't mold it in my head. I wrote Michael Mayer is a hell of a player too. And he actually, once he got some extended playing time post McDaniels, like he looked like the guy that me and Dane has our. tied in one last year in the loaded class. So, okay, that's interesting, but then Devante Adams is still there. Like, that's, Devante Adams is still on this roster, healthy.

Like, and they're adding different pieces than pass catchers as opposed to a guy that could throw him the ball, which I know. They're in a tough circumstances. Quarterbacks are off the board, all those things, but they're going on with Gardner, Michigan as opposed to a Jacoby Brisset or something like that. Different backup tiers. There's just a weird team to me, and I don't mean bad. I'm going to be very interested how to unfolds because I like the players.

I think they're going to be really well coached on defense at the very least. So, yeah, I just have a question mark over the whole team. That's where I'm at. I have something I want to float to you that I floated to, I think it was when I was talking to Field Yates yesterday. And now that I've thought about it, I can't not think about it. The Raiders as a 2025 DAC Prescott team. Oh, don't tempt me.

If you're looking at the roster and you're looking at the timeline with some of the roster, Colt Miller's 30. Devante is going to be 33-9. year. Jacoby Myers is 29. They still have a bunch of young pieces on this team. But I think the only way the timeline really comes together and it really makes sense. How many times have we asked over the last two years, what the fuck are they doing with

Devante Adams on this team? This team is not on that sort of trajectory. How does this make sense? For me, the only way this makes sense, the Raiders build and how they've approached this, the urgency with going to get a guy like Christian Wilkins, is if you can drive. up a ready-made quarterback into this equation and try to compete as soon as 2025. And the guy who could be available theoretically as part of that calculus is Dak Prescott. And right now, they have $54 million in 2025 cap space.

And Devante has a $44 million cap at next year. They're going to have to touch that no matter what and play with that if they want to keep him on the roster. So financially, this team would be in a position to absorb. whatever DAC is going to make in 2025 and 2026. And I don't think you could say that about a lot of other teams that would be motivated to make it happen and that it would make sense for where they are in the process.

But I think the Raiders are that team. Man, that's not, I think in my head, I've been thinking that Mike McDaniel is going to be like, okay, that's my guy, that's my Stafford, and that's maybe my fan fiction of all of it. But with the Raiders, yeah, that's juicy. because the Devante thing, you have an answer for them as well.

They can go, well, we can extend them for like a little mini extension, you know, like to make the cap hit more palpable, palpable because you're like, hey, we got DACs. We're pushing for two years.

That could just give you a lot of, you pay more money to find more answers, but I think that's a good answer. I like that a lot. I know the DAC, this DAC saga, I'm sad. I'm not going to be on the show for this year

because the DAC saga it's going to be, it's going to be something to kind of keep track up throughout the rest of this year. I'm almost glad I don't have to talk about that with you over the last, over the next year, because you would be so, the combination of like frustrated and annoyed, your approach to that and your feelings about it, I feel like would be a detriment

to constructive conversation. The last season, I think it was perfect, the pace of it. It was like the check-in. It was like every four or five weeks. Still want to pay them? We're still good with them. Yep, yep, yep. Okay, just checking out.

Just like, what is like, go. Orbat. You're just like, yeah, just like the DAC check-in every four to five weeks. So that brings me to my next question here. What do the quarterback extensions look like? And when do they happen? So the five names that I would focus on here, DAC, does he get, do they touch that? Do they let him play out the season?

This was going to be one of my questions. So this is perfect. Keep going. If they let him play out the season, is he just going to be a free agent next year? Okay. Teams like the Raiders, I think would be very happy if that were the case. what do the Jags do with Trevor Lawrence? I think they're going to pay him,

but is this just a no question you are now one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league? Do we just going to give him the Justin Herbert contract? I think Trevor Lawrence is a very good player. I wonder if that's the tenor of those discussions. What the hell do the Packers do with Jordan Love? Because the way that Jordan Love played by the end of last season, I think he has a chance to be a top eight to ten quarterback

for an extended period of time, but we saw him play at that level for like six games. So what do you do with that? I have a lot of faith in Jordan Love being good moving forward, but that is still a leap of faith to give him that sort of deal

on the body of work that we've seen. And then the two others, what do the lions do with golf? The fact that this still hasn't gotten resolved, I find interesting. Because I assume that they would just have a solution and kind of go from there. And now that we have

And all of them It's strange, right? I thought that would be done. Yeah. But I get it because, okay, if you're Jared Goff's people and you're trying to figure out the right solution here, what is it? Is it the Kirk Cousins contract that he just signed? Which is kind of a markup on the Daniel Jones deal, which, and the Daniel Jones contract

is the one that kind of throws a wrench into this. Because we have middle class quarterback contracts now, what Baker signed, what Gino signed. And I think the golf deserves more than that based on how he played over the last couple of years and based on the relationship he has with that organization and just kind of how it's gone and his role resurrecting all that. Yeah. And he's young, young-ish. You know, he's played very well over the last couple of years. So, but does that mean he bumps up closer to the top of the market? Do we sit there in that? Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, Kirk Cousins range. So figuring out the comparison points and where

he falls on that spectrum, I get that it's taken a little while to figure that out if you're both sides in that negotiation. And then the last one's Tua. This was one of my biggest questions. This was my big one. So I'm glad we're getting to it anyways. Yes. Yes. What happens? And you could tell me anything. You could tell me that everything that they have said publicly is posturing. And they're just trying to play out the string and keep things hunky dory. And we're not Don't burn a bridge. Exactly. We're going to express public support for the guy, but behind closed doors, we know what he is,

or we believe them at face value. And everything they've said about wanting to extend him and wanting him to be back is something that they want to do. I mean, this offseason for the dolphins, I get why it had to happen because of how much they leveraged themselves some of those moves last year. But this is a strange team because it's hard to pinpoint why they're going to be better than they've been in the past. Kind of similar to the conversation we've had about Dallas,

and I don't think either of those teams got demonstrably better this offseason. I think you could argue both of them got worse. The team one that I was most curious to talk about today was the Dolphins overall, and I was going to use two as contracts, so this is perfect. What you just laid out, I think McDaniel is one of the best, and this is why he got the eight-plus rating from the NFLPA about like environmental work with coaching. Those guys encouraged the hell of you. They're very good at guarding their guys,

meaning defending their guys and encouraging their guys and building up just confidence. He's really good at it. He really is. It's commendable. But the thing is, you can't read between the lines sometimes, kind of going, all right, is this, like you said, is this real? Do they actually feel this way? It's probably somewhere in the middle, like it always is. But that's what I'm just curious what they go with.

Another one of those contracts I feel like, especially statistically what he's put up. And with his health last year, it feels like, too, it could go, you know, technically he'd go, Oh, I've earned that extension. I want $55 million. Yeah, but the fact they're going, there's a little delay here is like just, yeah, maybe they're waiting for a domino to fall. Maybe they're just going, well, we've got to play this out. That it's anything can happen, like you said.

But just this whole team, I would say in free agency, they did a commendable job of, that's the commendable dolphins. That's the 2024 dolphins. They're commendable. They did a fine job of trying to find cheapest talent to shore up these spots. The tier tort contract is like the perfect example. his stock is low right now. This guy is a good player.

Okay, let's get him on the cheap. He shores up our defensive tackle. Instead of having Christian Wilkins there, paying him $20 plus million, a ton of more than that. Kendall Fuller is another good example. I think I appreciate how proactive they tried to be at some of these spots to kind of take a crowbar and pry open this window that you feel like you have. I appreciate the effort that went in to that pursuit.

I just don't know how it's all going to shake out. Jordan Brooks is another good example. Jordan Brooks is a solid player. You get him on a little bit of a discount. I could see this Dolphins team from a talent perspective being pretty darn good again. They just haven't erased any of the questions I had about them by the end of last season. You know, the Kinsugi, right, where a piece of pottery breaks and you put it back together with gold seams.

That's what the dolphins feel like right now. They feel like a Kinsugi version of the 2023 Dolphins, which is fine. right it's that's well done it takes some artistry to make that happen but it's the same bowl it just put back together it is it's a little bit more broken this time that it the biggest questions ending last season where how does this team deal with injuries how does this offense align last the whole season and what is tua and none of those have been answered for me and none of those have been like solid there's not a solidificate like solid answer that i can point at or anything like that i like a lot of things they did, but they haven't answered a lot of the questions I still have on them.

The other quarterback deals I floated out there. For you, Trevor and Jordan Love just going rate, fine doing it. Yeah, going rate. Just because they're age and just, of course, I'm optimistic about both of them and bullish on both of them. Yeah, I think those guys are worth those kind of contracts, too, that become more palpable as time goes on, like, as the other markets get reset. How do you feel about where golf falls? I liked what you said. He's that upper middle class. I think he deserves, he's between the big contracts and like the guy,

not the golf, the car contract to me. Like, is there kind of like a lower upper class contracts? Like a, uh, kind of, maybe that's where I kind of picture him. But that's like the, that's the cousin's deal, right? I mean, cousins got $45 million a year. That's the number I had in my head was mid 40s.

So like, yeah. And I, and I think that makes sense, right? So if Joe Burrow is now at the top of the market at 55, does Jared Gough slot in at like 45 where Cousins is. But if I'm golf's people, I'm coming in there and saying, we've been a top five offense over the last couple of years. Kirk Cousins is 34, I believe. Jared is not even 30.

Jared turns 30 in October. So you're four years younger. This guy has been a huge part in resurrecting this franchise. We went to the NFC championship game last year. And you're telling me, that he's worth the same AAV as a guy who just tore his Achilles and is four years older than my guy. So I get both sides of him.

His team didn't want him? Yeah. Like, yeah. He came here when you guys were nothing. He took those hits. He took those shots. And then you guys now we go 12 and 5. We were,

they want, what did they win? Three games in 2021. We're a three win team two years ago. And now you want this guy to take a discount. No, we're not going to do that. So I get the tension there. Oh, we're going to. to use QB rating here. Not QBR, QB rating. This guy finished ninth in QB rating. It was almost

100 last year. This is how they go, though. This is the arguments that these guys made. He threw for 4,500 yards. Yeah, he was second in yards last year. But again, this is how the agents are going to argue. And if you're Brad Holmes, you better hope you got some EPA. But he did good in EPA, too. Did good and success rate too. By stats, you're going to have a hard time dingin what Jared Gough did last year. You're going to have a really hard time. He's about to enter his prime, quarterback prime, is 29 to 33, 28 to 33. That is the prime for it. Okay, so he's entering his prime.

He is what started every game since he's been in Detroit. I think. He started most of the games in his career. I mean, very rarely he's been hurt. He had that thumb at the end of the season a couple years ago. That was really it. Jared Goff's one of the toughest, most durable players in the NFL. And he still doesn't get credit for it.

It's unbelievable how tough Jared Goff is. And he just has that body that just can take hits. It's like McFawolf. It's so true. It's so true. He's a Gumby-like body. I've told the story many times. I remember after the Super Bowl in 2018, I was in the tunnel and I walked back with him

toward the locker room because the Super Bowl is weird. What happens is the players kind of go into these areas where there are a bunch of podiums, and that's where the post-game access happens. And then they go back to the locker room. And I was just, I happened to be in the tunnel when he was walking back. And, you know, we were talking on the way over and he was just beat to shit. I mean, that was that Patriots game, where they just got absolutely destroyed on that side of the ball. And for him to take that sort of punishment and come out on the other side, I think we truly underrate how tough that dude is.

Think back to what it was like a cow. I mean, he got this shit kicked out of him, McHale as last year. Oh, my God. Oh, the office aligned there. They would do this waterfall drops where their protection was literally let guys run into you. It wasn't, I know past protection is more passive as a whole because you're moving backwards. But they just waterfall drop and go like this. And it was basically, use your body as a shield.

But then guys would just slip by him, by guards and tackles. And there's golf throwing deep ball after deep ball just getting rocked. I love golf's film. I, it was like, I compared him at the time. I said he's a lot like the guy we have, meaning Matt Ryan, because I was with the Falcons at the time. I said he's kind of like a Diet Coke version of him there at the time. They go, don't say Diet Coke. Just say he's a five version of him.

But that's the NFL. They don't like those fun terms. but Robert Mays liked it. That's why he called me to come on this podcast. He liked the term diet coach. That's right. But I look,

but really just that exercise we played out, that's how that's how those negotiations go. This guy isn't missed time for you. He's won games and look at the stats. And then you're going to say, don't pay him. Like that, I mean,

that's what you have to do as an agent anyways, but that's what the argument's going to be. And I understand both sides of it. Again, I think that I, Gerigoff has limitations compared to top of the market quarterbacks, but I don't think Jared Goff's limitations

are any more pronounced than Kirk Cousins' limitations. I actually think they're pretty similar. They're very similar. They don't create. They push the ball. They can operate on time. Great.

They have good pocket movement. They mitigate some negative plays. Like, yeah, they're the good, good solitaire. That's what they have kind of established themselves as. Other contract considerations. What happens at receiver this off season? So we've started to see the trickle.

Okay. AJ Brown gets three for 96. So that's $32 million a year. If AJ Brown is worth $32 million a year, then what is Justin Jefferson worth? Because we were wondering, is he going to top the both a deal? Or is Jefferson's people, are they going to come in and say, we want to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the league? Well, if AJ Browns would make a $32 million a year, I think it's pretty comfortable to say that Justin Jefferson is probably going to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the league. I noticed that rookie quarterback you just drafted.

How does he get paid? Wow, that sure freed up a lot of money for you guys, huh? Yeah, that guy's making like $4 million against the Capitol. I'm worth $37 million then. And I know that the only way your little plan here for getting on to the rookie quarterback timeline, the only way that it works is if I am a Minnesota Viking over the next four years. It's me. I understand how they got here, but the Vikings have painted themselves into a couple corners.

season. They have lessened their negotiating power multiple different times. I've been thinking about that a lot because now the stories are coming out, like what, oh, who was trying to trade for what and everything. And when the Vikings kind of signaled that we're making a move, you know, like we're moving up. And it's so funny to me, it's you need a trade partner. You can say I'm going to trade with everybody. The other, you need somebody to go, yeah, I will trade with you. So it's so funny that to me, that the Patriots, they sent them the offer to the Patriots, apparently, you know, it's kind of came out.

And the Patriots were like, yeah, we're just going to take May. Like, I just think that's really funny. It's like, you need the other person to cooperate for you to, you could have loved May. They could, like, five years from now, they go, May was our guy. That's what we were trying to do. Da-da-da-da-da. Mark Arthurie was, I think it's still a good constellation prize. But it's like, boom, we go, we go May.

That's our guy. That's our guy. If he works out, they, like, it's just really funny to me that it's like, we all knew this. So that's why we're not trading out. Like the Patriots and me, you know, like, we graded it. We also need a quarterback. We also need a quarterback. So all this stuff that you want to give us.

Yeah, that's what he's worked. So that's why we're not going to trade him. That's why we need him. Thank you for confirming what we feel about him. Like, I just think, it's just funny to me like this whole operation because it was like, oh, wow, looks like they think they can find a trade partner. Kind of curious to me that the Patriots would be so willing to do that. Like, huh, interesting.

Maybe this must be from McCarthy or something at four or five or something. And then, yeah, it unfolded exactly how I thought. that they were left without a partner at the end of the day. So let's say Jefferson gets $34 million a year, just hypothetically. Maybe more. I'm on Ross St. Brown just got a $30 million a year contract, okay? Yeah, this might be touching 35. So this might be a four for, or, yeah, this might be a lot.

Four for 140 sort of deal. Yeah, yeah. And now we're talking about a quarterback money for receivers, which that's how the market is gone. So, and that's not Justin Jefferson's fault. So, okay, if Justin Jefferson is worth $35 million a year, what is C.D. Lamb worth? CD Lamb had a better season last year than A.J. Brown did. If C.D. Lamb is worth $33.5 million a year and Justin Jefferson's worth 35. What is Jamar Chase worth? So how these numbers get slotted? You remember, we've talked about this a few different times, just showing our age. But there was that stretch and think it was like 2015 or so where A.J.

Brown, Julio, and I think it was Des Bryant, all got their deals like at the exact same time. And they were within days of each other. And I wonder if there's sort of a domino effect with these wide receiver deals. When one happens, the others start to follow. And I wonder if that happens this summer. Yeah, the Demarius Thomas, Des Bryant contract coming out. Thomas. Yeah.

I always forget Demarius. That's the one I always forgot, the rest of the piece. but the the it was the one it was like contract came out and one minute later the other contract came out and they were like I like identical like it's it was not even funny how close those contracts were and I remember our cap guy with the falcons was like pretty ticked off about it because I think that was the Julio contract summer too like I think we just alluded to he also was a part of those discussions and I think AJ Brown too everyone knew he was just a half tier above so when those contracts came through he was like ah god dang it because that means it just got bumped up Yeah. So Justin Jefferson and C.D. Lamb are both CIA guys. So there's, there are going to be some connection points here as these contracts get negotiated. And I assume that one will inform the other one way or another as these come down. But I'm very curious where all of those end up landing. And there's also a couple guys that step down from there. What does Iyuk get paid? If I'm on Ross St. Brown is worth $30 million a year. Brandon Ayukas worth $30 million a year. And the one that I'm really interested in is Nico. Collins. It feels like Nico Collins is on the IUC development plan, just one year removed. So what do you do with that? They should get that done now before this season starts. Okay. So Devante Smith gets 25 a year on his extension. Is Nico Collins worth more or less than Devante Smith at 25 a year? Oh. See, if you asked me this year ago, I would say no, but now I would say yes.

Then that's crazy to me. I think I love Devonte Smith. Nico. Nico looks good guys. I don't think I'm shocking anyone saying this. Nico looks like a top 10 guy now, so I would try and give him Devante Smith pay so he plays like AJ Brown. And then that's a discount immediately. If you can get him at $25 million

and he's willing to take that, here is the Devante Smith contract. Xeroxed over, you sign it. Here's $25 million a year. There is a chance that can look like a discount as soon as this season based on where the... But guess what? His agents know that too.

I don't know. We're just playing this out. right now, these guys think about this 24-7. We spent, you know, I spent 40 minutes thinking on this. Okay, type in some numbers. All right, yeah, here we go. This is what the situation was. They think about this a little bit.

Yeah, so the quarterback market, the quarterback extensions, and then the wide receiver contracts and how they unfold. I cannot wait to see what that timeline looks like and what the details are. Do you have any others? Man, we kind of, through our conversation, kind of touched on all the other kind of stuff as I have. Mine were more teammate oriented, like kind of just going, all right, what are you guys going to do here?

How do I feel about this here? So we kind of touched on most. Like, Cowboys was won as well, just kind of going, all right, again, we're doing this. I think I still haven't grasped really the Mike Zimmer change, what that's going to mean for, even just personality-wise. I've really thought about the change from Micah Parsons under Dan Quinn, who had a great relationship to Mike Zimmer. You can't get two different personalities than Dan Quinn.

I haven't really thought about that. It's really sunk on me. few days. I know just these little things are starting to crop into my mind. I was like, how is that going to go? Because Dan Quinn is a great motivator, and he channeled Parsons is a weird energy, and he channeled it better probably than anyone has ever done at the NFL level. I just mean, period, but he did it at the NFL level. And then you get to Zimmer, who's very much my way, highway, there is no highway, it's my way. Old school. Old school, the definition of old school. Yeah, older than my dad old school.

Like this is, yeah, this is an old time coach. So I'm just, I'm just curious. It's just such a different philosophy. Dan Quinsmore, we're going to win with speed. Yes, we can make mistakes. Mike Zimmer is, no, everybody goes to the freaking gap, and you better be right. So it's just a, that's kind of more one that happened months ago when Zimmer got hired. But I haven't really kind of really thought on that, like what that means for their personnel, what that means for just their demeanor.

It could be interesting to add some more discipline to that defense because that's what, would cost them so many games is that they're so all over the place. But how is that unfold? The Cowboys as a whole are interesting. But yeah, now the defense is getting a little bit more of my attention than maybe a month ago. I think that that's all worthwhile questions. I mean, I think it was during the draft show, Dane said Mike Zimmer's name. And it was one of those like, oh, shit, I forgot that even happened sort of moments.

The fact that he's there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It's like, oh, man. I mean, it's good. That happens.

There's that flurry of moves and changes. staff-wise and then you kind of come up for error and, you know, mixed metaphors when the dust settles and you figure out who's where and what things are going to look like. There's always that moment, I think, post-draft, and that was definitely one of them. Any other team questions that you had, team-centric ones? How good are the Colts going to be? How good is Anthony Richardson going to be? Because I'm looking at that team. And you don't have to twist my arm. This is the athletic football show. that's why I'm not going to engage with this. Because as opposed to a team of Bs, they're like at least B pluses right now. I'm going to bump up their grade a little bit. Yeah, I don't know.

The Colts right now are just, they're grabbing my interests. I don't know if I have a question, but more about a like, I just want to say, the Colts are very interesting for me, especially in that division, especially where that kind of middle,

upper middle tier of the AFC is right now. A lot of teams in flux, and they seem the opposite to me. They seem a team ascending and with a really cool, coach and I think a really cool quarterback. So I don't know. I don't know if there's a question I have here. But yeah, the Colts are interesting to me right now on May 1st, 2024. You said some very nice stuff to me at the beginning of the show about, you know, my personal growth and what you've seen

from there. I think that having a growth mindset is important. And it's the way that you should approach your life and everything that comes to you. And four years ago when we started this show, I would have allowed myself to get really excited about the Colts in a way that was not justified. but I'm trying to get better and I'm not going to do that. It's going to be, I'm going to wait to see it. Maybe 2026 when Yilatu is in year two,

we see what Adnan-Mitchell is. We'll see how some of those position groups come together. They can add that cornerback help that they still haven't added yet. So maybe next off-season after they are a wild card team this year or they're a nine-win team.

That's when I'll allow myself to get excited about the Colts, but not before that. seem ahead. Choo, chew. Choo, too. I know we, that's actually

we should do the greatest hits of Mayaculpa. I swear Roshat Baitman, guys. I swear Roshan Bateman's going to be decent. Well, last year's,

Falcons offense. Colts offense two years ago with Matt Ryan. Okay, that one, that one, yeah, that was a little bit, I ignored a lot of warning bells

there. That one, I definitely, yeah. Chargers we got excited about. And then. That's just my, I'm, that's in perpetuity for me.

I build early. So I left you. I left you. I'm not going to put that stink on you. That's a me problem more than anything else. I think the Falcons offense and the Colts a couple years ago, those are our two, are two low points in the last four years. Falcons offense is a rough one.

I swear, though, that, that, uh, Josh Dobbs, that, that game when he came in for the Vikings after they, uh, the Falcons knocked out haul in like the first drive, like, it changed, it changed. Talk about sliding doors moment. J. Hall doesn't get knocked out. I think it's Jaron or Jalen from D.Y. Jared Jaron Hall.

Yeah. Jared gets knocked out on the first or second drive. I bet you the Falcons were like, shoot. No, we wanted that guy playing. And then it just, Dobbs broke like two tackles on scrambles. Like, they had him. This is another reason why, like, Ryan Nielsen, the defense coordinator, some sweet blitzes in that game.

No one could tackle Dobbs. And he does what he does. He goes on the pastur-not thing. The Falcons fall apart. Raider gets bench. Arthur Smith starts arguing with fancy guys and press conferences. And it's all done. It's all done.

But it's just now, if that doesn't happen, and then they kind of went on the trajectory, kind of, maybe not as high as we thought, but maybe make the playoffs. They're that bad MC South team. Still Arthur Smith, maybe they bring in Kirk Cousins. And they're like, yeah, this is the guy that we're going to bring in the whole time because we have a plan for this. Oh, wait, we don't even care about Pennix. Because guess what?

We already have Kirk Cousins on the roster. So, yeah, that's a sliding door moment right there. Joshua Dobbs running for those scrambles. I mean, let's say they lose that game, the heat on the Vikings' cools, they lose that next game against the Saints. They're sitting at four and six, and they shut it down. And then we don't have to worry about a trade-up. So there are sliding doors moments for the Falcons there, but they're also sliding doors moments for the Vikings who had to scramble around for quarterback answers this off-season. Those two Josh Dobbs scrambles have reshaped the way that the off-season went for two NFL teams, which I absolutely

Lee Love. And it was me and about a million people in Elena. We're the only ones watching that game. I'm going to ruin the nice dismount that we just had, because I've got a couple more that I want to bring out. Where do the available free agents land? Okay. Stefan Gilmore is a free agent.

Stephen Nelson is a free agent. Adory Jackson is still a free agent. Left tackles. Donovan Smith as a stopgap option for a team that doesn't have a day one starter. What happens with David Bakhtiari? does he play in 24 Oh yeah

His name His name has been in my brain For so long now I have no idea I have no idea If a team's willing to take a chance on that Especially what the Jets did Especially what the Jets did

In the first round It wasn't like they're like Oh we're bringing Bock over Who cared Yeah that's yeah And then the other guy is Charles Leno Hey Charles Leno I understand moving on from him

He's 32 He played 13 games last year The first time he's missed a game Since he became a starter in 2015 was last year, and he's 32 years old. So if you just need functional left tackle play early in the season, that's the name I would also take into account. And then there are a couple other guys.

Odo Beckham is still a free agent. That's one where like, do we want to talk about what happened with Odo Becum at the end of last season? The fact that he's like, wasn't really playing for a playoff team? And it was like, yeah, had nothing targeted for him. Zayflowers got their designs. It was like, that's one where I, that's a big name. I'm not as curious.

Even how they signed him last year, I was like, hey, he hasn't had a thousand-yard receiver season in like years, guys. Like, are we really think this guy's the number one? He's like a three. They paid him a decent amount of money. So, and then Tyler Boyd is still a free agent. And I think Tyler Boyd just, again, functional receiver play somewhere along the way. And then the three other names I'd bring up, Connor Williams is still a free agent.

He's coming off the injury, but you can do a lot worse at center if you need a center than Connor Williams. B-tier alignment. That's way better than usually finding at this point. point in time. And then Justin Simmons and Quandre Dix. You know, two safeties that if you need safety help, Justin Simmons is still out there. Yeah. That's weird.

That's, yeah. Those guys are, yeah, you'll see those guys go to some contender in August. That's, that's what it feels like. But I'm shocked because Diggs, even two years ago, it was like one of the best safeties in the game. In my estimate both of these guys. And then last year maybe kind of took a half tier drop, but still like good player. Like Diggs was shoring up

so much what was happening with everybody else messing up. So that's surprising me. three veterans I would call about after the draft. James Bradbury, Jonathan Allen, and my last one here, again, if we're going to play some greatest hits

before we get out of here, I would call about Baron Browning. Oh, yeah. Free agent after this year, Broncos drafted Jonah Ellis. They've got a couple more of those bendy edge guys.

They still have Nick Benito on the roster. Again, team very much in transition. I'd at least call. If I just, needed pass rush juice somewhere. I don't know if he's in their future plans. So those are three names.

I didn't do deep dive on who the potential veteran trades might be, but those three guys as I did kind of a quick peruse, those are the ones that came to mind for me. John Allen, man. So he's got $14 million base. He's got two years under his deal. He's 29 this year. He's 30 next year. Holy crap. I'm a contender.

I'd call. You have to. Especially who they drafted Newton. so it's not like they're so even if they want to go well we don't have some they drafted a pretty talented player in a second round duron pain's a stud so you already have your star that you paid uh yeah that john allen's a very interesting one the raiders i think i would call about james bradbury knows patrick graham familiarity there available at the right price potentially so those now that we've seen the way the teams approach the draft i think there are a couple veterans that

maybe for the right price tag you can pry loose oh i feel like james James Bradbury's name's always going to be. It's one of those guys. James Bradbury's available. It's like he's just for some reason, he's that corner. I mean, he's, I think he's going to be, he got paid, you know, and obviously he had that really good season a couple years ago for Philly when their past rush was getting home in 2.2 seconds every single play.

But I think he's going to be a stand-in for, again, functional cornerback boy. Like that's what he's going to be. He's the Connor Williams of corners. Yes. Yes. And that's why he's part of these discussions. There's a reason that the guys in those tiers are. are available at this point in the calendar.

They still have value. All right, buddy. That's all we got. I don't think, no reason to rehash. I said what I wanted to say at the top, and I met every single word of it, and I appreciate so much what you've given me and what you've given the show over the last four years,

and we wouldn't have done anything that we've done without you. So everything, man, can't tell you enough. It's not the last time, but it's, honestly this was so much fun like you said watching this whole grow and i just also too thank everybody that's helped out with this uh marissa's on the power right now kent michael beller alex all these guys michael martina's everybody behind the scenes it's just been the guys that initially hired me as well i don't know if they're still listening to this pod but mann't be massersonman all these guys so i i just can't thank them enough as well but

robert it's just love you bud this has just been an incredibly fun few years. It's just such a fun chapter in my life. And I just, I'm thankful for every show that we've done. All these dozens of live pods and Thursday night pods and Sunday night pods. And then experiments and, and lessons, everything, rankings, every single one's been a blessed. And I just can't thank you enough, man. I really can. I appreciate everything you poured into it because it was everything I could have asked at any point. So, and that means so much. It was. It was. so comforting to know that every time I turned on the microphone, I knew you were going to have put in the work. Every single time I knew I could go to any place I wanted to because of what

you were going to pour into it. And that is so comforting and energizing for someone in my position. And you made my job easy. So thank you for all of that. And thank you for everything. It's been really, really fun. And we will do this again, if in a slightly different capacity. But for now, we're going to close that chapter. And it was a fun one. So we appreciate it, guys. Appreciate you listening. We will be back next week.

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