The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Top 10 WR prospects of 2021

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

Robert Mays and Nate Tice continue their 2021 NFL Draft coverage by assessing the top pass catchers. They discuss their fascination with Kyle Pitts, Devonta Smith’s size and whether or not Ja'Marr Chase is the best wide receiver on the board. Plus, they examine the film for Jaylen Waddle, Rashod Bateman and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the athletic football show. Welcome to the athletic football show. I'm Robert Mays. Joining me today is my good friend Nate Tyson. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing great. What's kind of nice right now is I just get the focus on the draft stuff right now. And then meanwhile, you have to do podcasts about trades and contracts and the makings of the league and where the NFL is going.

And it's great because this is like the time I just go just watching college prospects, man. Yeah, I'll talk to you in May. I'm playing big time catch up here. These are guys you've all watched. I'm kind of cramming them in now, which I always knew what's going to happen. But it's funny because I talked to a few different coaches today, and they're all doing this. This is what they're doing all day now. So it's interesting to be on that timeline and be able to talk to those guys as they're watching these people.

So it's been illuminating. And today we're going to do the past catchers. We're not going to do all the positions in the lead up to the draft. I think we're going to do some of the more important ones, some of the stacked ones. and the past catchers is another really good group. Not only does it have the depth that a group like last year did, but it's top heavy too. I mean, you have guys like Jamar Chase that could go in the top five.

Devante Smith won the Heisman trophy, and there was a guy on his team that some people think might be better than him. Yeah. I mean, it is a truly incredible class and a really interesting group of guys. So I wanted to dig into that. But before we get to the specific players, and we're going to mention Kyle Pitts along with the really, receivers, by the way, because the tight end group is not very good based on everything I've heard.

So we're just knocking out two birds with one stone here. So before we do that, though, I want to talk about that depth and that question. Because I think along with digging into these guys specifically, I want to talk about why this might be the case where it seems like every single year we're having this, oh, this is the deepest group of receivers ever. Look at all, you can get a guy in the third round. And, you know, I asked around today because I don't want to just parrot that if it's not true. I don't want to, that's not going to continue to be the case going forward.

So I asked a lot of people if they thought that would just be the case per whichever year based on everything they've heard and the guys they've watched. And the consensus seems to be yes. This is not just a blipping talent. This is an indication of where the sport is headed. And I actually wrote a big story about this for the ringer last year before the draft. And I talked to a lot of different people, including coaches at lower levels. A, U-T, or seven-on-seven teams, regional teams, college coaches. I talked to Clemson's receivers coach.

I talked to Josh Gattis, who's the offensive coordinator at Michigan, who coach Jerry Judy and Chris Godwin and some of these guys. And there really does seem to be a consensus that guys are just coming along more comfortable with a more nuanced understanding of the position. The way that the passing game is emphasized at all levels has just put more receivers on the field, period. It's coming from about 10 different directions. So if you were trying to give your elevator pinch as to why this is happening,

as to why we are in the golden age of past catchers, where would you start? We're in the golden age of passing. So as much as we want to talk about quarterbacks, somebody has to catch these balls. And all those seven-on-seven camps have taken over almost like a football AAU section, as that's become emphasized. Yeah, we want to talk about quarterbacks. Every dad in the world is gone, like, oh, my son's the top quarterback. we forget that all these high school teams and now college teams are in three or four

wides like every single snap those are the new starters a slot receiver is the new fullback a slot receiver is the new f tight end like as far as starting on teams and i think it's just a numbers thing and guys are more comfortable you know actually this is uh just thought about this is that like i noticed when i was looking maybe it's just because the top guys aren't the biggest uh receiver class as far as like size wise yeah it's an interesting interestingly sized group of players. It's a unique part about this for sure. It is. And I had the thought, and so I was looking at the top corners. And again, this is some of its kind of, you know, self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course, the top corners are going to be big and athletic. That's

why they're the top corners. But I just kind of noticed it like just the size difference. Corners are getting bigger and receivers are getting to the six foot six one range. I said the same thing today. Smaller got these guys probably would have played corner. Correct. 10 years ago. And now they're playing receiver. I said the same thing to somebody today. That's so funny.

And it's that's what it's kind of crazy. It's like to think about it. It's just the some of these guys like would never even see the field back in the day. They're too small. Came and playing in NFL. I can't play outside. Five nine, 180 pounds.

He's not going to hold up like Peter Warwick, who's one of the greatest college players I've ever watched struggled in the NFL. He didn't struggle. He was still like a fine player, but didn't take over as he like probably would now if he came out in 2021. It's just because the game is so. different. He had to operate from the outside the entire time, as opposed to now he'd be moved around. We'd be doing the one by three formations. And it's not like that was invented five years ago.

Don't get me wrong. It's just that as opposed to twice a game, it's 20 times a game. And it's not just two teams doing it. It's 32 teams doing that stuff. That's the difference. Like you can even just see like just basic stuff. Like I always cracked up like the mid 2000s like Peyton Manning. The Colts are in the shotgun over 50% of the time. Oh my God. Wow. And then Now it's like no team is under 50% probably. Like it's just the game has changed. This is what the game is. And I think it's just a numbers thing is that these guys, not only they have more,

they just get more reps. They just get more reps, more catching the ball, as opposed to maybe get 20 balls during practice the entire day. They're catching 150 balls. Just the skill sets are improving, which just becomes now a supply and demand issue, I think, that's happening a little bit in the NFL. But no, I just think it's just the natural progression. as quarterbacks get better, as passing games get better and more as they get complex, they also get

simpler or more in the sense that more people understand them, the complexities. And I think that's what's happening is these guys just have an easier transition running routes as opposed to back in the day. They just run outside go balls all the time. We talked about this with Danny a little bit yesterday, but you take a guy like Jerry Judy, and this is what Josh Gaddis kind of outlines me when I talked to him for that story last year. Think about how many times in his life by the time he's 22 years old. Judy has had to sit there and look at the structure of a coverage where the safety is, what that means about leverage, how that means he needs to win, how he needs to set up to get where he wants to go on the field. Not only physically has he made those movements hundreds

and hundreds of more times in somebody who would have played this game 10 or 15 years ago, but mentally he's had to understand that aspect of the game so much more than a receiver at a different time that just hasn't seen it that many times. And I also think what you said about the simplification is so interesting. And I do think that's one of the reasons that receivers of different body types are able to live because not only is having three receivers in the field versus two in playing in the slot, but even if you look at those Peyton Manning teams with three receivers on the field, it was static.

You had guys lined up in the same spots, no motion, no splits. So even if you wanted to press a guy a little bit or be a little bit more physical with a slot receiver, you could. Now, think about how much motion there is. Think about how many stacked alignments there are. Think about how much offensive coaches are doing to protect their guys and give them space, not just through formation and motion and everything else, but just the sheer amount of play action and the yak opportunities and all of that. There are just so many more different types of guys who have a role within the league and can thrive within the league. And that's created a deeper and more nuanced and more advanced group of receivers than we've ever seen before.

And if that's going to be the case, now it leads to a conversation about value. Because while receivers are always going to be valuable in the passing game because we're throwing the ball so much, I think you have to have asked questions about where to find it. So this weekend, I got into a bit of a conversation on the football internet, which you should never do. about what the Bengals should do at number five. I reposted a meme of this idea of option A and option B. And option A was taking Jamar Chase at number five overall, and it was Joe Burrow getting killed.

And option B was taking Pene Soule fifth overall, and it was throwing the ball to anybody, and it was Joe Burroughs standing upright. It translates. It was like hieroglyphics. Like you could just look at that 2000 years later, and you would understand it. Because I looked at it and I was like,

that's actually very telling. And then it kind of started a conversation with some of the guys from PFF and everything else about the value of an elite receiver versus the value of an elite offensive tackle. And I just don't think that's the conversation. I, if you want to say Devante Adams is more valuable to the Packer's success than David Bactiari, I would have some questions. But in the end, I would probably be willing to concede that point if that's how we want it to operate.

I don't think that's the conversation. Because it's not to me as simple as saying, would you rather have an elite receiver or an elite tackle? Because I do think that the most important part of an offensive line, because it's a weak link, is having five guys that can play. You can survive with an average line as long as all of them are functional and you need elite receivers to be successful. I can understand that argument. But I just think you can find receivers at so many more places, even if you need two to three

of them on the field at any given time. Look at what has happened over the last five years. There's an example every single year of a receiver being picked in the top 10 or the top five and then a guy being picked 20, 30, 40 picks later that it's a guy. is as good or better as that guy. It's not as if this is a one-year blip of there being depth and value at receiver. I think 2017 is probably the best example. You have three guys go in the top ten.

Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross. They are not the best receivers in that class. It's even close. Chris Godwin and Kenny Gallaudet went in the third round of that draft. Let's fast even go back to last year. Justin Jefferson is the fifth receiver taken in that class. 22nd overall. He is the best rookie receiver in the history of the NFL by production.

And he was that good. That was not cheap production. He really was that fantastic. And then you have a guy like Chase Claypool that you can get in the second round. All of that. That doesn't happen with offensive tackles. And you need two of those. It just doesn't always happen, especially at left tackle.

If you look at the best left tackles in the league, pretty much every single year, Tehran Armstead and David Boktiari were not first round picks. They are exceptions. For the most part, the best tackles are taken in the first round and they're harder to find. Look at the tackles available in free agency versus the receivers available in free agency. It's not even a conversation. To me, this is about how hard it is to find talented players at those positions. We have receivers coming out of our ears and we're in a place where Trent Williams only hit free agency because he couldn't get franchised.

The best non-Trent Williams tackle in free agency this year was like Riley Reef. It's just really hard to find. those guys. And I think that is, that to me is at the heart of the conversation. It's where can you replicate the skill set and how can you piece that position together. And I think that's just much, much harder to do, even if you're only looking for baseline level play at tackle than it is at receiver. I, I have likened especially speed receivers, especially like the Henry Ruggs types of the world, is that these speed receivers that guy, people love in the first round or the first 40, 50 picks, I think the replacement value is so much easier to find.

I don't know. I'll say it's higher. Replacement value is higher. But it's so much easier to find the replacement value for that type of player. Like it's like drafting a first basement in the first round of the MLB draft. Can you do anything else but hit for power? Otherwise, that's kind of a wasted pick because you can find another guy that can do replace the exact same thing, finding those DHS, find those first baseman.

Like I just think some of it, the arguments and I hate to just sound so basic with it. I tweeted at you. It's just replied to you. It's so much easier to find a six foot, 190 pound guy than a 65, 330 pound guy that can move. And that's just, like life.

Like that's just just math. Like that's just how it is. Not only that, but they can actually play and have skill set and IQ. It's just, it's like finding a quarterback. Like those, that 0.001% percentile of like skills.

That's how hard it is to find a tackle. And I get. And there are fewer avenues to find one. It's the same thing. Quarterbacks are not available. free agency and most often you have to find one in the top five it's not that drastic with tackles but i if you look at the distribution of where they're found at how many are typically available it's probably the second hardest position to find it all of these different ways yeah and that's

why i mean just look at all pro teams i mean it's like first rounder first rounder first rounder first rounder for tackles maybe a couple second rounders and then receivers is like third fifth seventh six first first fifth round yeah step on yep all those got Antonio brown six rounder like I mean you could just I mean all the second rounders stuff cropped up the last few years I mean nine just the last eight j Brown and DK Metcalf were the best two point receivers in that draft by far bonte Adams de Andre Hopkins was the 31st pick you know all those like they I I've had a game theory thought about this is that you let you why the bad ones bad receivers kind of go

first is because you let the stupid teams take them first and then the good ones remain for the smart teams. That has been my theory. Well, I don't know if there's merit. It might be just something anecdotal. But, you know, but I saw a tweet the other day, and it's funny, I'm butchering his last name, but Hall Benichites, but hemikites. But anyways, he just had a little fun research project.

He said, it's a hit rate for first round draft picks by position. And it's basically who got second contracts from their same team. And center, 100 percent, obviously. Tackle, 60 percent. And again, this is not saying how good the players, but just likelihood of success. I think is a good way to put look at this quarterback 42% that's about right coin flip receiver 27% 27% of first round receivers receive a second contract from their team and that's one out of four basically and that kind of shows you it's because it's just it's so much eye of the beholder with

these guys it's so much about situation a receiver needs so much to happen to be productive and that's not to say a player's an amazing player that's how randy moss struggle in oakland like you know it's they need a good offensive line. They need a good quarterback to get them the ball or just a competent quarterback to get in the ball. And on top of that, they might have been in a shitty play structure and they just don't get put in situations where they can excel. There's just so many variables that have to happen for a receiver to succeed.

Not that I'm saying they're not important, but I just think shouldn't we take care of the positions that lead them to success first before we shore up the cherry on top? And that's how I always view it receivers. We'll talk about some of these guys throughout this. and like even my top guys guys I love in this draft because this is a great class no one really has a top 10 grade for me we'll get it like I mean yeah I know but a lottery pick great for me at a receiver is a real thing like that that's a real good grade for me because I think a top 10 pick a receiver should just be the freaks of the freaks but we'll talk about that a bit but yeah I just think that receiver value is just not that they're not important I just think it's easier to find replacement for what you need in an offense because you can couple it together too like let's say if you're the bangles and you don't hit on your receiver in the first round or even the second round. And Out and Tate is your second outside guy. And you're like, oh, we need speed. Out and Dade fills a role, but he's six, six, he's slow. You know, we need speed. You can find Jalen Gighton on cutdown day every single

year. So you piece together your third receiver with Audentate and Jailen Gighton and maybe you get one more guy in there and you rotate them in and out. You don't rotate tackles. It doesn't happen. That you can't selectively choose how you're going to play an offensive tackle in the same way you can with receivers. It's the same way a guy like AJ Brown or D.K. McCaff can be selectively deployed in his first year as they figure out ways to be more complete players. Look at the way the Titans used AJ Brown as a rookie versus how they used him last year.

Same with Metcalf. That's possible at receiver. Positions like tackle, like quarterback, it's not as easy to do. You just need a guy to plug in play there. And specifically with the Bengals, I don't think having Riley Reef and Jonah Williams should preclude you from doing anything. It's a reason you don't have to draft a tackle fifth overall, not the reason you shouldn't draft a tackle fifth overall.

These are five-year propositions. Riley Reef is 32 years old. He's on a one-year contract. If you put Sewell at Guard for one year, you kick them out to tackle the next year, and then you've, that's how you build. That's totally fine because then you're making sure

you have solid players at all five positions, which is really important to do along the offensive line. This is, and I just think saying, this is a deep draft for offensive tackles. We can find a starter in the second round. First of all, I've talked to people who don't think that's true. And second of all, we're going to use pre-draft evaluations in a single year as the way to do this. When half of these guys don't pan out anyway, I want to look at the way the last five to ten years have panned out,

not the way this one draft based on the evaluations we get wrong half the time seem to look before this draft starts. So that's how I said the whole thing. I'm writing about this for later in the week. I think it's really, really interesting. But that's where I land on it. It is not about whether receivers are more valuable than tackles. If we knew that Penae Soule and Jemar Chase were going to be top five, top 10 players at their positions, guaranteed. Maybe I would say that you could draft Chase there.

But I also think that there's as good a chance that Rashad Bateman ends up being better than Jemar Chase. And you're just not going to find another chance. to, you're not going to have another chance to find someone like Penny Sewell for the most part, compare it to how many times you're going to have the chance to find the Rashad Bateman to a Jamar Chase. The gap isn't as large between the talent. Like it just not only just hasn't been. Yeah, this draft I'm saying, but just even the NFL. Like a dominant tackle is so much different than a dominant receiver.

It just, it's the gap is just so much different. It's just the position. I love your point. You're just saying that you can't hide offense alignment that much. You know, like you can't. hide them. You can't just go, hey, you know, this is a, uh, he has a block down on this play. All right. You know, it's like, no, no. Exactly. Hey, hold on your hat. Here we go. Like, can he, can he can he can he can't, can he can't, can he can he can he can he can he can't, can he can he can he can he can't. Can he can't, can be. Can't be, man. Man, he really sucks from the slot. All right. Hey, hey, put Seth in.

zebra different personnel package hey he's off the field hey hey get your rest get your rest we're going to put you in the next go ball don't worry don't worry about it yeah totally different totally different that's it just it's don't overthink it it's just inside out inside out those are the guys that I see the field they're on the field and don't it's a hard as position when we went over the all pro teams you went over a brand of thor on the offensive line I went over the receivers with you how many receivers did we find for the all pro teams a dozen I think we had to pair it down to like five but we probably could have done 10 different guys yeah 10 different and how many were you and Brandon?

How many tackles did you guys have? It was probably between three to four guys at left tackle. There we go. There we go. I'll leave it at that. And then right tackle is like just one guy. It's like Mitchell Schwartz. And now that he's hurt, it was Ryan Ramchek.

Like that's how it goes. It's the default. Yeah. Guess what? Also, where do you think Ryan Ramchick was drafted? First round. The first round. All right.

Yep. Let's move on. So we're going to get to the receivers. But I want to start with Kyle Pitts. I was not planning on doing this. And then I watched Kyle Pitts today. It's a monster. I have to stop myself because I'm afraid of what I'm going to say about Kyle Pitts.

So the conversation around him is that he might be the best player in the draft. That's not a quarterback, not Trevor Lawrence, you know, the best non-quarterback in the draft. Based on what I have watched and based on what I saw from him today, conversations I've had with people, I think he absolutely is the best non-quarterback in the draft. And somebody said to me today, somebody who's coached tight as, in the league said it's like if Vernon Davis had the highest football IQ you could imagine. I can't believe you just said that. That's so funny.

Because my comparison for him is like, yeah, freak like Vernon Davis actually knows how to play football. And that's right. I mean, if you look at the testing numbers, so he's 6-6-245, run a 4-4-440, even if that was it. Even if it was just the athletic traits, you'd be like, this is ridiculous. but he has everything you could possibly want as a past catcher from that position. If you watch him, the touchdown he had against Alabama, the spinning one near the pylon is just the body control and awareness to go up and get that ball. And that's to me the most impressive thing about him,

is that the catch radius would be out of this world just by the way he's built. He has the biggest wingspan of any receiver or tight end in the last 20 years of pre-draft measurements. but the fact that he is able to locate and track the ball and help himself get that ridiculous body in position to make these plays, there are catches available to him, whether it's up the seam, on deep balls, comebacks, back shoulder throws that just aren't available to really any other human being currently in the NFL. I don't think that's a stretch to say. Yeah, he, people compare him to Waller, but he's so. much longer and more fluid than Waller's.

War is more just like a like, like aggressive, like power almost. Like, you know, he's fast. His testing numbers are like Waller. Like he's fat. He has as fast everything else. I think Waller was 6-6-238 and ran a 4-4. And I know this is obvious, but Pitts is just so long and just like fluid with his movements. Waller has a little bit of hip stiffness, but like, it's not bad.

The size of, car size of the belly. But Pitts just like, like when I first watched him, I was like, I was like, okay, I see the hype. I've seen the highlights. Okay, he's awesome. Like, don't give you rock. I knew he was going to be a first router, just like you. It's one of those where you just watch and he go, I can't be a jackass and think this guy's bad.

But then I watched him. Now, of course, I'm going to be the hipster and the hater and I'm going to look at his blocking. That was the first thing I watched. And I'm watching him like, he's fine. Like he checks the box instantly when you watch the effort. When you watch the effort, thank you. He checks the box instantly. And he knows where to go every single time.

There's no hesitation. I have talked to, I consider one of the greatest titan coach has ever been around. His name is Wade Harmon. and he's with the Broncos right now. Great. Love Wade. Wave's awesome. If you've seen the growth with Noah Fant, I will credit Wade for a lot of that.

But Noah Fant just being awesome. But it's the, what he always looked at when he was watching tight ends was their getoff, was their snap of the ball, seeing how quick they move right at the end of the snap. And that's something that's always stuck with me. Pitz gets, that ball snapped. He is off the ball. So that just shows he has the mental awareness of knowing what the hell he's doing. He's not just a big athlete figuring shit out.

And they don't, they don't hide them. Like they, yeah, they're not asking him to downblock. They're not asking him to do a ton of stuff. But he does do it. Like they do ask him and he does do it. There's a game he was past setting. They had a sprint out and no, no, no, he just stayed in. Wasn't even a sprint out.

I think it might have been a half roll. And he's just, he had a pass set and he did good. Like he actually did good. It was a good rep. He's fighting. Yeah, he lacks some lower body bulk. Okay, that would be one negative I have on him. But he's long.

He understands how to use his body. It's not just he's just a bunch of measurables and traits. He actually is a football player. using those measurable and traits. And that's just rare. I mean, he is just a rare, rare player. And it's like, that's how it is. I did receivers, quarterbacks,

um, offensive skill guys basically is what I, I watched this off season so far. And yeah, Pitts is my number one other than, you know, I have Lawrence and Fields. I'm very high on fields.

And then I have Pitts right there, right below him. And I just think he is, I've never watched a tight end prospect anywhere near this level. Uh, the only one I remember is as a kid was Kellynne Winslow and Vernon Davis. And Pitts,

I don't remember watching Kellynne him coming out of college much. But I remember Davis a lot because I was my dad, I was a head coach. And I wanted to be a little draft Nick when I was like 15 years old. And I remember watching him. And that was my dad's line about Vernon was he just goes, he goes, yeah, I mean, he can't catch.

But when he catches it, who's going to tackle him? And that was my dad's line about him. I remember watching him throughout his whole career. But that's, Pitts is just either even on just another half tier above that from what I see. I just think he's a complete ball player and just a really, really fun player. What it reminds me. of watching him on some place, especially when he's running a slant or any sort of in breaking route and he needs to create late separation.

It's almost like a long pass rusher the way he uses his arms. Those little swims over that he does in order to just get a little separation. That's the coolest part about it is that he's weaponizing the length even in ways that aren't related to his catch radius. And that's the coolest part about it. It's just all these little subtleties to what he does using the gifts that he's been given. He also has really good awareness about spacing and where, like it reminds me of Kelsey in that way. In the way that you just, he understands exactly how to settle.

Yes. Yeah. Settle. He understands how to get to and stay in the places where he needs to be. And Pitts is similar to that. And he runs a four, four, 40. I guess what? It is truly ridiculous.

And even crazier is that he can't even legally drink yet. That's what's really scary. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to end his rookie contract. at 24, 25 years old. It's like, that's right when tight ends start taking that big leap because their body fills out and mentally slows down for him.

That is like, that's some scary shit right there. In the Alabama game, he had the one slant against Sartan, who I think is amazing, by the way. I think he is ridiculously good. We'll talk about corners a little later on, like, at a different show, but I've loved watching him. And you just have him running slants against the best corner in the draft, for the most part, top 10 pick potentially. And then the little stutter he had up the seam in that game where he slows down and then turns it on, it's like, this is insane.

It's just absolutely ridiculous. And I think the conversation about him is a little different than the receivers. Because while tight end in the past hasn't been a high value position, it has not a position you would take in the top five or top 10. That's mostly because the guys that you would call tight ends can't do what he can do. If he can be your ex receiver in the way that Travis Kelsey is, but he could also add layers of compliance. to the personnel packages you can run, the ways you can line up and create all these mismatches, then we're talking about scarcity. You can't replicate his skill set because there's no one in the draft that even comes close to having his skill set. So that's why to me he could be a top five pick

and some of these other receivers I wouldn't even consider drafting in the top five. I agree with that completely. And the value of that, and I understand what people are saying, like call him an offensive weapon, oh, is your receiver because he can line outside. And it's, I get what. people are saying that is we've been doing this for 10 years since yeah but but okay exactly i i understand what people are saying but it's not it's the value of of having a guy like cowl pitts is that you don't have to go into subpersonality you can keep teams in base defense because they have to match you because he he can stay in line and be a tight end and be on a wing and be actually with his hand in the dirt and a defense has to respect that because he actually is a solid blocker i would say solid but decent

decent enough, but he fights and he's going to fill out and he's long. Like those are traits that are going to get, he's going to get better as a blocker. Even we ran the stats and I think, I'm really sorry, if someone's listening to that ran the staff, but what the numbers came out was how many times does Kelsey split out? Like how many times does he truly outside of the end line formation? And it wasn't even half the time. And that's one of the most advanced. I think it was maybe exactly half.

But it was, okay. So ballpark half the time. the most advanced kind of like forward-thinking coach who's willing to run college shit as much as anybody with one of the most dynamic weapons in the whole NFL still only splits them out about half the time and they do hide Kelsey a lot with split zone but that just goes to show you there is value of being in line because he has to because that is what provides the value at the tight end position and that's just why would you want to just waste him at the receiver spot because that's what's awesome is third down let's split him out receiver first and second down hey let's keep let's go 12 personnel

I'll keep him in base. Who are you going to guard him with? You're going to go nickel. Okay, well, Pitts is just going to mow down your safety or whoever you have out there trying to, like trying to fit up in a hole. So, I don't know. It's just he's such a dynamic player. He's like on a whole other level. I called him a unicorn.

It looks like just about everybody is because that's what he is. 42.6% of Kelsey Snaps last year came in line. I just looked it up. 42% about half. That's not half. So exactly what you're saying. Yeah, I completely agree. And it's nice to, talking to offensive.

of coaches recently and having them be like, I don't give a shit that he can't block. That's when you know, when the dudes should be the most old school football guy thing about this or they'll be like, oh, no, he can't block. I'm out on this. Even they are like, it doesn't matter. Slighting scale. That's just not what this is about. So hearing that, I think, was encouraging because it's not just what the football

internet is saying. It's what people inside of buildings are actually thinking about. All right. Let's get to the other guy who, you know, has been mocked in the top five. people are talking about as a top five pick and that's jemar chase and i think this is going to be a somewhat shocking conversation for people from your side of the table because you ranked the wide receivers for bleacher report and you had him as your third best receiver in this draft so walk me through why jimar chase sits there in the pecking order and why you don't feel like

he's a top five pick in the way that a lot of other people do yeah and i'll have my one caveat is that I really like, because I think receivers are so much eye of the beholder is I like to tier them more than like, hey, like, totally. So I, I do like to rank them and stack them one, two, three, four. But I have four in my top tier because it truly is like so much situational and what, what team is going to draft them in the offense. So yada, yada, all those. The exact reason you shouldn't take one of the top five when you can take one 20th overall is this exact conversation. Correct. If one of the, to take a top 10 receiver, this is just always going to be my thinking. This guy and Chase Tesswell, don't get me wrong. has to be a freak of freaks. He has to walk into the room as a Hall of Famer. He has to walk into the room and you, I want, if we're playing a backyard football game and my mom is picking the teams, if I'm picking a receiver in the top five,

I want him to be the guy my mom knows to pick first. Yep. I want Adonis, not the guy, they go, what position does he play? You know, is he, is he a point guard? You know, I want the guy that goes, who the hell is that? It's a short list, by the way.

And the guys you'd throw out are the guys you think about. It's it's the ones that are no brainers. It's the Calvin's. It's the Julio's. And even AJ Green is like one, not even like I think of Calvin and he was for a minute. Yeah. Yeah, he was for a minute. And yeah, no, that's funny to think about AJ too because AJ was just such a skill set and stuff.

Yeah, he was he was freaky, but not like in the sense that Julio and Calvin are. But that's always been my thinking because I just time and time again, we talk ourselves at these receivers in the top 10. And then they come out and they have to be, if you're taking a receiver in the top 10, they have to be the guy. Like, like pretty much right away. Like you're getting forced to. Mike Evans is another good example. I think Mike Evans is like a guy you'd see because to me again, it's the conversation at the top of the show.

It's about skill set replication. And if you look at Mike Evans, you can't replicate his skill set. No. Like there's just no one who can do that. Even though he ran a four, five, three, I believe. He did it at 6.5.2.30. So it's just hard to find a guy that could do what he can do. That's a different thing to me than Calvin and Julio, who,

Julio was the best player on the field from the time he was. a small, small child. And, like, that matters. I think that what kind of recruit you were matters in this. How long you've been the best guy. All of that stuff, I think, should be taken into account when we're thinking about drafting a receiver in the top five. Yeah.

And that all those caveats is why we're bringing back to Chase. And with him, it's, he's still a very good player. Like, I still have a lottery pick grade on them. Like, I still, I taught, when I say lottery pick, I usually mean top 20. I will just kind of like, that's kind of my parliance. I still think he is worthy of a teen pick. I just don't see that generational label with him. I have concerns.

I'll talk about as good as first. It's good stuff first. It's that, I mean, he's competitive as all get out. He's a ball winner. And you know me. I love ball winners. He is just, he's always fighting. He's, I would say, a good route runner.

I wouldn't say anything above that. He wasn't asked around a lot of, a ton of routes in that offense. But he doesn't create quick separation with his feet. If he's creating quick separation, it's because he's being physical and he's throwing guys around. And that's the thing, too, is that you love that kind of dominance from him. But you just said, there's that lack of separation at the end of the routes, even though he tested well, don't get me wrong, that lack of separation that shows up time and time again on film. And I get the stats, say, you know, he had all these 50-yard touchdowns, 20-yard average catch,

but that came in different ways than what we usually think as a deep guy. He has those goal balls, but it's him, you know, dunking on somebody that can't even jump. I'm thinking about the Alabama game. I'm thinking specifically about the Alabama game in 2019. One, one, It's a back shoulder play where he goes back through the corner to make the play and it's Diggs and he throws him by. And then the second long one, he literally Diggs comes off and jams him and he throws him to the side and then runs past him. So both of those long touchdowns have nothing to do with separation. It's him beating up. He's playing bully ball.

And that's where my concern is, is that he's a shorter ball winner with short arms, not great bulk. Like he weighed in just over 200. And I really think he is a sub 200 guy. and I see the comparisons to Dez and Anquam Bolden and I get I see the skill set but not the body type. Des and Anquan Bolden were 225. Like we got to understand that is 25 pounds is significant because you're going against corners about the same size as you. Hey, there's a reason we have weight classes and boxing and mixed martial arts. Like with those that type of hand fighting and stuff like that and especially at those weight types,

225 is a big difference between 200 if you're trying to be a bully ball guy. And that's what he wins with. You see, even on the pro day, we can look, and I just hearing people going, like, it's the greatest pro day they've ever seen their entire life. And I'm just watching it. And all I see, and I see, I see this fluid movements and I see the body control when he's high point in the balls. But then I also see him running a crow route and getting stuck at the top of it. And I'm not the one that's going to blow up on a pro day. I give a shit.

But I just want to say that's something everyone can watch right now. And let me know if you see it. Because that is what I see on the film. I don't see a nuanced route tree. I don't see physical overall true physical dominance. Yes, he does play a physical style and dominates at times, but you guys know what I mean. You know what I mean when I'm saying that.

Like I've compared him more to like a faster Michael Crabtree. Like that is what I see with his game. Like an undersized ball winner with good hands and good catching range that at times can just physically out-dominate someone. Again, make some nice highlight real catches because his body control and hand-eye coordination is so good. I just, I really like him. Like I said, I have a top 20 grade on them.

I have a receiver three, though. I just, those concerns do worry me. Does he have inside and out versatility? Is he going to be able to win from the slot on third down if they moved him inside? Or is the outside only where he could just beat up somebody on the outside? Like those are the things that you have to look at with these guys. And that's why also my concerns with people going, oh, he's a top five pick because a top five pick shouldn't have those kind of like, hesitations.

No brain. It has to be a no questions asked receiving. Calvin Johnson. Totally great. Calvin Johnson was one of the, you know, everybody. Everybody, like you said, your mother could just go, like, look and I'm going to go, holy crap. But they, they showed the 2007 draft. Someone tweeted it the other day.

And then all of a sudden his measurables popped up, Calvin Johnson. And you forget he's like 239, you know, 6343 or 6.4 and change to, yeah, that's dominance, people. That is athletic dominance and physical dominance, no-brainer stuff. And yeah, so that's the difference that I see with Chase him when comparing him to these other guys. Not that I don't like him. I still think he's a good player. there's just more question marks than I think people have.

Or I have more question marks than I think other people do have. I totally understand them. And I like him. I think he's a really fun player to watch. He, the physicality in him winning with the physicality, you'd worry about him being able to do that against NFL corners. But he's doing against Trayvon Dix,

who is a high pick in the draft. And he's doing, and against C.J. Henderson, he did that, who I know is a little bit smaller. But he's doing this against SEC corners, a lot of whom are going to end up playing in the league, which I think is impressive.

but it still is a tough thing to bet on at the second level. The fact that he's going to be able to push guys around. But on the college level, when I watched him play, it's going to be a weird comparison. But he reminded me of the bosses. You know when you're watching the bosses play and they just have that like jujitsu feel for how to use leverage and use guys momentum against them?

He does that as a receiver. He'll take a guy and understand like, all right, if you're going to jam me, I know exactly how to think. throw you to the side. I know exactly how to push you by on a route. He uses his hands and he uses leveraging guys momentum against them extremely well. The question is, though, is that translatable to the NFL? I don't know the answer to that because guys who traditionally have failed to get separation at the college level haven't gotten better at getting separation at the NFL level. He's a much

better athlete and everything else than Nikiel Harry was, but that was the Nikiel Harry thing coming out. and he can do with some other stuff and I do like some aspects to his game but watching him, I just think it has to be a no questions asked, no brainer for a guy that's a receiver to be drafted in the top five when you consider how available receivers are and he's just not that for me.

I could understand him being the first receiver you take in this draft like 100%. I just, there'd be a lot of other guys based on position and everything else. I would probably take a hard look at before I would do that. I also, you don't think he throttles down well? I think he

I think he's fine like he's not stiff or anything I just think I'm hearing this fluid movement and all this stuff if I hear fluid movement outstanding athlete they shouldn't get stuck at the top of the routes and I just see a lot of those times

when he has to work back to the to the quarterback or something like that he has that kind of like you know that that wind down and before he has to get back it's not did did and then he gets out of it like there's a little too many da da da

on what he's chopping down. I think he does a good job of selling verticality in the way that a lot of the guys do. Like, Stefan Diggs is the best at it. Like, Stefan Diggs just in terms of like, having, like, that forward leaning, being able to throttle down and then coming back. That's why every comeback route he runs.

He's open by six yards. Some of what I saw Chase do on those is one against Alabama that sticks out to me that he just like came back to the ball really violently on one of those players. I was like, oh, that looks really nice. But yeah, I mean, it's just, it's a physical brand of football for a guy who's not that big. and I just think that's it's got to be a question even if you really like him.

All right. Let's get to Devante Smith, who I just had a blast watching. I mean, we just had such a good time watching. So the play that stuck out to me, I tweeted it out. This is a silly thing to care about, but he had just to bury a dude in the ground pancake against Missouri. And when you're 6-1-170 and you're the best receiver in college football and the best player in college football, you don't need to do that. that and just his willingness to do that, I thought was really cool beyond just the fact that he does everything well.

I know. I was so impressed. I'll let you take it because I know you've watched more of him than I have, but the game that really jumped out to me was the Georgia game because the two corners he's playing against, Stokes and Campbell, are NFL players. I mean, those guys are going to be drafted in the top like two rounds possibly. and they're not small guys. They're much bigger than him.

And even at 170, he doesn't get pushed around very much. And guys are grabbing him and holding him and he's still working back to the ball. He just plays a lot stronger than he looks. And it's just, and even the ball, he caught a ball down the left side landing against Missouri that was out of bounds. But it was just one of those things. He just plays so much bigger than you think he would at that size. And it's just, I don't know.

He, every single little tiny thing about playing the receiver, about playing receiver, he just seems to have a really good grasp on. Yeah. Last year when I kind of was like, hey, I'm going to check out some of the receivers just so I can hang out on Twitter and, you know, get a couple of likes and retweets. And, you know, so I was great in Alabama. I was great in Judy and rugs and thought they were good players. You know, I didn't see the hype with rugs.

But, you know, I got to use fast. But it honestly was that scene from walk hard. It was that scene from walk hard when he says the wrong kid died. And that's all I said the whole time was the wrong receiver declared the entire time I'm watching the 2019 Bamba film because it was just Devante Smith was clearly the best one. Like it I thought so. And I think like, I mean, I think the coaches did too because sometimes when they would design a play in the red zone, guess where that ball was going was going to number six. And even like the freshman stuff like, you know, he didn't play much as a freshman. He was like he was like Andre the Giant where they just wheeled them out week by week.

He had like one catch, one touchdown. one catch 40 yards one catch 38 yards touchdown like that's what he was this freshman year and I think they're just trying to add bulk I just think he has he has that rare competitiveness even if he's not like the raw raw guy that everyone thinks is competitive but usually the guys that are raw raw like that are faking it like little rule rule of thumb here I think he just has that competitiveness even things like he gets tackled he bounces up right away he just every single time he gets tackled he bounces up right away nothing bugs him there's no oh my man my ankle, oh, my knee. He just gets up, throws a ball to a ref. Okay, here we go. Next play. He did his pro day with a busted finger. 99% of receivers, if they have a little tightness in their hamstring, they're not

around the 40. He did a pro day in front of all the scouts, all everybody with a bro, like a busted finger. Like, you know, that's the type of stuff. I know that's like the corny, like he man stuff, but it's like, that shit matters. It really does. NFL sucks. Like as far as like, it's like, it's a grind.

It's 17 games now, 18 weeks. It's a grind. You have to be consistent. every single day. And that toughness and that competitiveness, that stuff, you know, stands out. And that's before we're talking any of his other traits like rare hands, rare hand eye coordination. He extends. He plays bigger because he's so comfortable with his hands and extending in traffic. He'll catch a curl route or something or a route where he has to settle, have two defenders converging in. He extends out and snatches the ball. Like it doesn't even bug him.

Bounces right up and he's good. He doesn't have that jitterbug, you know, lateral quickness that maybe we some of us like you know get excited about but he knows what he is and he's so fluid I actually like that because he's so fluid he gets north every single time he he he max if it's blocked if that's a bubble is blocked for five yards he's getting eight like every single time like it's just he maximizes everything you run this route he's going to maximize it you run this bubble screen he's going maximize it I love that stuff like this is stuff that's like this is awesome and I look to choose up space just choose up every stride it It's so cool to watch.

There was a play, I want to say it was against Georgia, where he was just running up the left hash and it was just a corner route, like really simple. But just the space he chews up and how fast he makes that cut to the sideline. And just everything is really fast but never in a hurry. And that to me is so fun to watch. It's calm. It's just calm.

The confidence he plays with and the self-assuredness he plays the position with is so evident on pretty much every. single snap. It's really fun to watch. It is. And he like I've had an impossible time comparing them to anybody because he I truly hard. I do think he is the outlier. Like he is, that's my nickname for her. I mean, that's just what he is. He is the outlier. Like he, he has just done these things. And it's just how he moves and it's just, I love how you brought up the efficiency of movement. There's a clip against Florida this year. And he's running a wide cross. And so he's working from the slot on it. And on White Cross with that route that was overrout, so you're taught to go underneath

the first defender and over the second defender. And based on how the looks are, the safety is rotating, it can get a little fuzzy in there. And, you know, a lot of the good receivers like CD Lamb at Oklahoma, you can really see him work space. And that's why I really liked guys like CD. But Smith does it. And then not only is he just like a big, like he plays big and he goes up and he can extend and catch any ball and make himself big, then he catches it and just turns up the feeling gains another 20 yards. Doesn't even break stride once. He gets up. He gets up. under the first defender over the second defender. And that second defender would have thrown a lot of receivers off because it was so far away.

He just calmly rises over it. And it's a nice completion. You know, Mac Jones had all the time in the world to make the completion, of course. And, but it was, it was just, it's just everything he does is just so smooth. And just like you said, it's just the confidence. It's that calmness. And I am not saying because I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever compare a player to Randy Moss, but just that ease of movement.

That's the only other guy that, not the only other guy, but that rare kind of movement skills of just fluidity and everything he does. All right. So we've spent the last five minutes here fawning over Devante Smith. Are you worried at all about the size stuff? Because while it's so easy to watch him and fall in love with him, pressing it with some of this stuff does matter. And guys that are smaller have, you know, there are concerns about it. How can you play against press coverage in the NFL? Can you handle the physicality when you are that small, even if your play strength is much bigger than what you would assume from a guy that size?

So do you have any concerns about that? Oh, of course I have concerns about that. And as much as I love him, he's my receiver won everything. Still wouldn't take him into top 10. That's just my philosophy on receivers. Like it's just and just with him too, he has those question marks. He has a size question marks. He has that even though he never wants, like, I mean, he missed probably like a dozen downs in his entire career.

You know, like he barely missed any time. He's just that, I mean, at Alabama, they grind him too. Like, those practices are tough. Those guys are worn down like it is. You're competing for your job every week. And he's, when you're getting called super competitive by the Alabama people, like, holy crap. But I do, yeah, of course, I'm going to have concerns with the size. I just think he is the outlier.

I just, there's all that whole bouncing up after he gets tackled stuff. If every time he got bounced up and he had to miss like a series, because his ankle's not feeling right. You know, like his shoulder's not right. He's never had that. I've watched six games on them now, you know, a film, five games, and I just don't see any of those types of plays that concerned me. So like that became less and less of worry, the more and more I watched him.

And just like every time I watch him, when I rewatch him again this week, just solidified that thought. It almost reminds me of Lamar a little bit, how all conventional wisdom would tell you that he shouldn't be able to hold up physically doing the things that he does, but for whatever reason it just isn't a problem. Rare movement skills. Yeah.

Like, yeah, it's Smith almost like falls in that category to me. And I think the confidence is a big reason for that. Just like the, the, the, how assured all of the movements are almost alleviates that in a specific way.

I don't know. Maybe that's me reading too much into it. Just watch him work against press though. But watch him work against press. Every time he's press, he's not going, uh, uh,

you see guys like go, uh, I don't know how, like, I'm going to pat over my feet, pet on my feet. Every move, he's just like,

I'm fine. I'm going to move around. you. All right, dig her out. All right. You're on my back pocket. I'm pulling away. Everything's just calm. And it's just, it's cool stuff, man. All right. Jaywin Waddle, my, my question here,

why should I like Jaywin Waddle more than I like the last fast guy from Alabama? Oh, because you actually can play football. Oh, man. That's me. It works is fine. It's just the understated thing. Understated thing. I'd be going to tie in another compliment to

Devante because we just didn't finish gushing about him enough is that Waddle is only a week younger than Devante, even though they're different classes. And that he was an old guy like coming into college, like he was 19 or something as a freshman. The thing with Waddle is it's always concerning, or in rugs, I'll tie in rugs with this too. The thing with rugs and Waddle and guys like this, these speed guys, every coach in the world, every coach in America, high school on a pop Warner on up is going to try to find these guys as returners. They're going to put their best guys to return. Always concerned me that Rugg started as a returner as a freshman and then they benched them after like two games or three games, whatever it was. I was like, Sabin's no dummy. He's

going to put his best guy back there. Who do you put back there? Waddle. Because it was Waddle actually has that explosiveness and that rareness because I think he actually understands how to utilize the speed. He's not just a straight line from guy. He actually can move. And he actually, I wouldn't say he's a great route runner. I would say he's solid. But he actually understands how. how to use space and maximize what he is. I do think the Tyreek comparisons are a little warped. I wouldn't want to compare anybody to Tyreek. Tyroker is also 20 pounds heavier.

We also have to remember those things. And a couple of like an inch or so bigger. I think that's the same style of player, but not the same tier. But, you know, actually my comparison was, and football hipster alert here was Rocket Ishmael. And I remember Rocket when he was at with the Cowboys. He's another guy like Peter Warwick who was probably before his time in the sense that of what his skill set was. He wasn't an outside only guy. He's a guy that would have benefited from all the jet sweeps and the movement and winding up to the slot and all that motion stuff that NFL is now.

He's the type of guy that would benefit from that. But guess what? Waddle is coming out in 2020. So he does have the benefit of the motions and the jet sweeps and the designer he plays. He's dynamic. My concerns with him, you know, not the greatest route runner. I think he is above average to good. Like I actually think he's fine. He might be maxed out already. He might, you know, he is older for the class. He has shorter arms. So, you know, the length sometimes can bug him when he has to catch in traffic. He caught a whole lot of balls with a free release after motion or working from the slot where he's catching in space and moving away from defenders. How is he going to catch the ball on static routes? So, you know, benefits that out or compliments that I'll have an

offense for never putting them in those situations. But that's a concern. It's, you don't get a lot wide open catches in the NFL. And so how is he going to catch in traffic over and over over. Don't have that concern with Devante because he doesn't. Yeah, I've seen him catching traffic. I've seen some of that stuff bug wattle a bit. Not awful. He's not awful at it, but that is a concerning thing. If I'm going to take this guy in the top 15 and make him my number one guy from day one, I want my guy to be catching in traffic a little bit because he's going to have a lot tight coverage on him. Yeah, I totally agree. I think that the one thing that really sticks out to me is the acceleration. It's not the speed. I mean, it's he goes,

from zero to a hundred instantly. And he does it after setting things up. So, I mean, the idea, I think you, I can't remember which game it was. I want to say it might have been the Georgia game where he is in the slot, the corner is outside leverage, he sets him up to get even and then just teleported up the hash from like a dead stop. And that ability to just really explode, not get to a high top speed, but just get from zero to 100 instantly, that jumps out to me all the time.

And he can take stuff vertically. Like he's coming across the field and then takes it vertically. Like it just feels like you'd have to be worried about where he is and what he's going to do at all times. Even if on a production level and from like a traditional receiver level, it'd be hard to imagine him as the number one receiver on your team. In the same way that Tyree Kill is just this influence on an entire defense all the time. It does feel like he could possibly be that. I like what you're saying there because it's that's why my expectations with him are kind of I I actually like his floor like you know what I mean like I think no matter what he's going to have a role in the NFL for a long time because why he's a returner and two it's just that he's a speed guy he can do shit that a lot of guys can't do you can't take that tough 15 though right thank you okay but I love your acceleration point too because that's why I always love one watching him on like overs because you see the defender try to you to run with him and then it's just like it's the same as hill it's that is where hills dominance

shows up in a way that i don't think enough people think about it's it's this horizontal speed and what that does for you and i waddle that has showed up all the time he had a touchdown against missou that was like that where it's just like he's running away from people from the slot at that speed at three type thing that we've talked about so often so yep he's really fast he's really explosive i think you can find fast explosive guys other places Yeah, but he's a guy that should go in the 20s to a team that already has a receiver because he's going to go in the first round. Exactly. I mean, he should go to the 20s with a team that already has a guy and then he can just be your awesome number two that every team is terrified by.

And then, you know, he might never be the 1,400 yard guy, but he's going to be a scary ass 900 yard guy with 10 touchdowns. You know, like that's just, it's the weird, like almost super role player, but he's not. Like he's a starter, but he's like just that awesome role on a team that can change things for a lot. lot, but you can find those guys somewhere else. That's the thing. That's the scary part. It's just that how much are you willing to put, how much value are you going to willing to put in on a super guy

as opposed to just a very good deep speed guy? All right. Let's get to the last guy that you have in your top tier of receivers that I don't think a lot of other people do. And that's Rashad Bateman from Minnesota. Yeah. He is up by alley, man. How many times have I texted you this past month?

So have you checked out the receivers yet? Because I was waiting for you to watch Rashad Bateman. He is up my alley. And he has that, I mean, he has a route running gene that most guys in college just don't have. He has a really good sense for that kind of stuff. He has sluggo against Purdue in 2019 that was just like, I made a noise on that play. I was like, oh, my God. And there was a guy, he had a blaze out against Penn State that was like, he could,

it could be a little bit more precise. but I think the way he understands how to set it up is really impressive. And the thing about him is what I really excites me is that when you have a guy that's a really refined route runner and that is for a college player and that has a sense for that kind of stuff, often those guys aren't explosive. You know, Keenan Allen was running in the four sixes. Devante Adams isn't overly fast. This is the guy who runs four four. Like, I mean, he does have a lot more juice to him in terms of vertical stretch than some of the ones. of the guys you would typically ascribe some of these traits. And that's why it's exciting.

Like that's why I think he has a chance to be a really, really good player. Yeah, it's, he's good at everything. That is rare to see it, a guy coming out of college and to have that kind of skill set. He and Robert referred to it, Bateman is my receiver too. He's the guy that I have above Chase and Waddle. And, you know, my original comparison for him was Alan Robinson. But he measured in a little lighter, a little lighter, 20 pounds lighter. And two inches shorter. He's only six foot.

Yeah, he's six to change, six foot and change. He's the same height. I think he's like a quarter inch taller in chase. And I think that's it. But it's just so weird to look at because you're like, man, are you sure he's not six one and change? You know why? It's because his arms are so long.

He has a lot of length. Thank you. 33 inch arms. 33 inch arms. I was going to bring that up. And that's why he's able to play so big. his skill set and style or it's just like he looks like a guy that's year three year four in a week playing in college sometimes not in the sense of like it's a physical dominance thing but more

of just that that technique and that just like those little tiny things and i get it like pj fleg is a huge receiver guy the head coach of minnesota so uh set galena or our who's on the show last week he made a funny joke that he said rsha batesman is like p j flex like test tube baby like that is like what p j flax wants that receiver like just like just how he's trained because he's watches like, you know, his, his seminars and everything. But yeah, I, I just think the floor and the ceiling that he provides is just like almost no-brainer-ish. Like, I think the upside of him is a bona fide number one X receiver.

Like, I totally agree. Why is that so crazy? I don't say, I'm not going to say at the very least, but like, I just think that he's going to give you a number two receiver even if, like, his day one. It, it sticks in that number two receiver range most of the time in my opinion. because he creates separation and he has some juice to him. Like what else could you want in terms of a guy that's just playable that you can just toss in there and not worry about?

Every route's in his wheelhouse. He lines up in the slot this year. He takes deep routes when he's a freshman. When he's a sophomore, he's doing all the intermediate stuff. It's like he runs a full-ass route tree outside and inside. At six foot and change, you know,

he's probably going to add about 195 long arms. Like you said, that he has that 301 level detail of these routes. and that you just don't see. And I get it. He's not a juky guy. He prefers to get north, which is great. You know what you are.

Nothing's worse than a slow, stiff guy trying to juke people and then losing two yards. Like, that is the worst thing in the world. Receivers need to know what they are sometimes. But he has that solid, a good top gear. The Penn State game, Illinois last year, he has two touchdowns where he just pulls away from everybody. And I guess it's Illinois. But guess what? It's still a big 10 school.

He's not doing it against Akron. You know, it's like he can pull away. from these guys. And his 40 splits kind of showed that a little bit, too, is that, you know, his 10-yard splits was pretty good. But then it's 20 and 40-yard was good. Like, you know, it's like, okay, you can see that build-up speed that happens with him. Like you said, you see it's, I've taken this from basketball a little bit is that you're betting on the chances of star, starter, bench, or bust. Like, really, those are the four categories. Yeah, you can get a little nuance in there and say, is it a super role player, is a low-end starter, yada, yada, yada. But star,

starter bench or bust his starter is like huge like his percentage like it's like that's what you're betting on him it's his starter is going to be good maybe his star is less than some of these other guys but it's like if i'm taking this guy just don't think it is though when i'm watching those guys and i actually heard this from multiple coaches today it made me feel better about it i just don't think that there's that big of a gap between jimar chase and rashad baitman to the point where one guy should go in the top five and one guy should go 20th overall like i just it doesn't that i don't see that i don't see that i don't see it and I don't think as many other people do as it might be in the way that's being presented right now. Also, I think a really useful example. And I don't like doing this all the time because

I think that it's kind of reductionist and doesn't, not always constructive, but players from similar schools. Watching what Tyler Johnson did last year as like the diet, diet version of Rashad Bateman and then watching Tyler Johnson today while watching those games, it's like, oh man, like this guy could just be like the A plus plus version of what that guy was. as a rookie and even he was a serviceable player as a rookie on a really stacked team. If he wasn't on that loaded receiver quarter of Tampa, we'd be talking about him more because he when he actually had to play, he was good. He was good.

And I've watched these guys torch Wisconsin the last couple of years. So I was like, I was aware of that guy, but I was like, he went the fifth round. I was like, that guy was good. And then, yeah, it's, I don't know. It's just like, come on. Don't overthink this. Like this guy just, he has the past. You hear me talk about the path.

The path for him is just so easy to look at. And it's just the concerns with him at first were speed. Oh, he doesn't have enough speed. He's a slow big 10 guy. Yeah, because Rashad Bateman was a late bloomer at Georgia. Dominated high school in Georgia had a bunch of late recruiting offers. Just because a guy goes above the Basin Dixon line, they don't become slow. I want people to understand that.

You know, he's from Georgia, guys. He's not from Minneapolis. He's not from Iowa. Just because you cross the parallel, it's like they don't become slow all of a sudden. So that's what it was really funny when people are like, oh, he doesn't have breakaway speed. I'm like, I just watched him pull away from teams. Like, I get it. He's not that flashy, juky guy doing it against SEC corners.

But it's like, this guy's a really, really good football player. And that's why I have him so high. I just think he's going to get on a team and just translate right away, like day one contributor and just be a good player. And I just think there's more to him. He's still young. He's coming out as a true junior. It's not like he's a red trip senior. You know, it's like there's a lot to him.

And I just think I, I, I'm a huge, huge fan. He's one of my favorite players in the draft. I love him. You and I have similar taste in these sorts of guys. So it's not surprising that I love him. But I really did enjoy watching him. A stat you'll love before we move on. Can't wait.

In 2019, led the nation in first down rate on receptions at 88.3% of his- Love it. Oh, of course I love him. You know, and you know who he had me looking up because he weighed out 190. So I was like, man, this is strange. So he's probably 195. all right, who do I like him? And then Calvin Ridley was a guy.

I was like, okay, I was looking at Alan Robinson, but, you know, okay, his size is more like Calvin Ridley. Just think he plays even a little bigger than Calvin does. I looked at Reggie Wayne's compare, like his body type. And I was like, oh, Reggie Wayne had 32 and change arms. Same height, maybe I think a quarter inch taller, five pounds heavier, like just that same body type. And again, I'm never comparing, but I'm just saying that body type of player, that kind of

six foot, six one guy that plays like he's. six three because he just has the length and he has that nuance to his routes and everything. But that's the type of player he can become is that, like, that is what his upside is. And I just think it's crazy that people are just going like, yeah, he sucks. You know, he's slow. And he runs a four or four or four, and I get it. Even if you inflate it a tenth still runs a four for eight or four nine. So, okay, so there goes that, that argument right out the window.

And it's just his film is outstanding. The production's outstanding. It's like, you know, it's one of those things where I'm like, sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm wondering what I'm watching. He had a touchdown against Northwestern in 2019 where it was my favorite play that I saw from him. It's because you saw the burst and the easy speed. And he got on top of a guy in the slot and it was just that little subtle wiggle to

the inside before cutting back outside. And those little tiny, that ability to sell while not slowing down at all and just that subtlety of movement, that's harder to identify than some of like the big, exaggerated route running stuff, but it's just as important. And he knows how to get in guys blind spots, just like little tiny stuff that college guys just don't do all the time. They don't really have the chance to do all the time. And yeah, he's, I really like him a lot.

All right. Let's get to the next guy here. Terrace Marshall, who I've not had a chance to watch quite as much as some of these other guys. This was left on the cutting room floor today. What have you seen from him? Where do you think he stacks up to the rest of these guys? You know, I see the appeal with him. Like he's long.

He has surprisingly good movement skills for how big he is or how tall he is and long levered he is. Like he's like a damn good athlete with like foot quickness and bend and like I'm talking traits here because he has those. And why I want to bring up traits, traits, traits, because some of his football like kind of like grittiness is really what misses, uh, makes him a miss a little bit for me sometimes is that I think I see the appeal with him. And the upside of him is very tantalizing. But he's that classic consistency guy that we used to see. This used to be a classic receiver prospect, I think. Now we see all these more 5-11, 6-foot guys. This guy's a classic outside receiver prospect.

He did line up in the slot this past year. But he has just a, he has consistency issues. He has all the tools. But then he'll have drops with throws that are at him. So he works from the slot. And I was like, oh, man, he actually has good feel on the shorter routes. At first I thought he was just going to be an intermediate deep ball guy. But it's like, no, he has good feel, good, you know, good foot quickness.

He can stay tight on it, good body control. But then the negatives of it, the throw comes at him. He double catches a lot of things because he's worried about where the defender is coming from. So he has those issues in traffic. And it's like, ooh, that's scary. That's scary. It's going to be a lot tighter in the NFL with a lot bigger and faster guys in there. So, okay, so now, all right, so you don't really like working across the middle.

All right, do you have some more physicality in your game? He'll, he has a tendency on the first or second time he blocks in the game. He blows a defender up like a corner. But then after that, he, but then after that, he, he, but then after that, he just never does it again. Like he's just fine getting tossed like in the run game and stuff. So there's that I'm just, there's just something missing with him.

And I, it's just, I wanted more. I just kept wanting more with him. And I still think, I still gave him like an early second round grade. I still think the tools are there and the traits are there. He was highly recruited.

I mean, he is, he is pretty. He's pretty to look at. It's just a lot of that. I've seen him run wrong routes. It's that football acumen, the other football stuff,

the intangible stuff is really missing for me. And that's kind of like, like why maybe I'm lower on him than maybe a lot of some of these other second tier kind of guys. Feels like he's worth the swing, though. Oh, yeah. Overall, the gifts and everything else. I mean, like if you can get him in the second round and you miss out on that first group of guys,

because the interesting part is in that second wave of players we're going to get to in a second here, they're not built like Terrace Marshall. Like a lot of them are smaller. So if you want that bigger body guy, this is really one of the only chances you have to get a guy with this physical profile. that's built like this in that range of the draft. And this is a silly thing, but like the recruiting stuff, how highly touty was coming out, all of that, that stuff matters.

It does. Like I really do think that matters with the guy like this. It's like, even if I can't really see it, that's just the bet I'm going to be willing to make. Also, I think that him being on that offense is the third option and kind of getting cut off. A little bit. by Jefferson and Chase in a way. I think that's something to think about. Because who knows what he would look like?

And obviously, he had a chance this year, but their offense was nearly as good. It was kind of, you know, really disjointed and everything else. So I think that's, it's interesting. I feel like you can absolutely talk yourself into him if you were trying to do it. Absolutely. If I love my receiver coach and I already had maybe another guy in my receiver room that I liked and was a pro, I would take a swing on him. Absolutely.

His traits are like he, I think. who's just going to be a big long guy that struggles on short routes. And when I watch him, I'm like, oh, man, no, you move. You're a good mover. Like, you do, you do some shit that I understand why you're a top recruit. And yeah, I just think if he goes into a nice, almost more veteran team or more, I think situation matters to him more than other guys. And that's the risk that you play with this is that that's what you're betting on is he's

not scheme proof or team proof or situation proof. So that's why he's a perfect kind of early mid-second round guy because it's like we might have some already. He can, we can maybe take a little time with him before we ask him to do more and more. But yeah, he is, he is a home run swing. But I do see the traits with him. One more kind of in that second round range guy that is a little bit bigger and is different than the last guys we're going to talk about.

What do you think of Diami Brown, the guy from North Carolina? He kind of, it seems like he's become the, the coach's pet favorite. Like, you know, when that, he came up in a couple conversations today. I could, I knew he would. Do you want to lie? Because he's tough and can block. So it's, it's, he's become kind of like that late favorite, I think, and I can see why. I'm a fan.

I have him just slightly above Marshall. I have him in that second tier of guys. But, you know, same, same custom player. He is just, he has the long speed he brings. And, you know, he has, I would say he has above average overall hands. Like, I do think some drops did crop up in a couple of games, but it's funny. You have one game with three drops and then three games with hands. You're like, oh, my God, he has great hands.

And then you have another game with two drops. And you're like, it's just one of those inconsistent. You don't know what you're getting there. But why I think all those coaches love him is just because like every time he's in the run game there with those two fantastic backs they have there, he is bringing it in the run game. He is going for pancakes. He is fitting up every. And it's not once or twice a game is every single time. And then on top of that, he brings this long intermediate threat to the game.

And he can do it every snap. He aligned on the left side there in North Carolina's offense. Every time. The only time he didn't, he's caught a fade on the right side for a touchdown in a game. And that's the only time I saw him line up on the right side because it was a goal line package where they only had one receiver. Perfect. And it's great for evaluating receivers, though. It's so easy.

You know where he is every single play. It's the best. Oh, my God. Like watching the Bama guys sometimes because they have number eight and everything. Oh, my God. It's miserable. The eight and six look the exact same. It's terrible.

Yeah, it is. It is. And then the body types of eight and six. 17 look the same. Oh, it's the worst. But it was, it was with Diamy, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a lot of year. Yeah, well, a lot of these longer guys don't, but, you know, he's, when he would run like a double move or say,

like a post route or say something where he had a cut on a longer extended route, you saw some real twitch Twitch and body control. Yep. Yep. So at North Carolina, the line on the left side is a simpler offense is a shit ton of RPO's, he wasn't asked to run a ton of routes. I think, I mean, honestly, probably count him on a single hand, how many type of routes he runs. And with that, it's like, okay, that's where you have to start watching treats and seeing,

okay, Kent, it's not, it's not a won't he or can he or, you know, that's what you have to figure out. Is it because they just don't ask him to or is it because he can't? And I think it's more because they just don't ask him to because you'd see him run a little quick route, quick outs, you know, on the RPO's when he's the X. And, you know, and he looks fine. He has good quickness, great body control, and he's able to use his range and extension. So that's where you have to figure out.

I think right away he can come in, he's going to break physicality and that deep threat. And that's, that's nice. Those translate. They really do because he's going to have a role on a team. You're not force feeding him touches and you're like, shit, he can't run a route. It's like, all right. This is a weird comparison, but it's almost like a three and D guy in basketball. Holy crap.

Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. I mean, that is. That is. It's just those different skill sets. One is like the more skill, skill base and one's like the grit, you know, like,

and that's the blocking and then the deep threat. Like that's it's, it's, it's almost like the way that the pieces fit together. Like that's how I see it. That's what he is. He, I think, and that's the thing with him is like, I, you know, he could ascend. Like he does have a ceiling to him where he's still young. He's been insanely productive. And, you know, it's only been three years.

And like, so he still has room for growth. But it's like easily right away. You're like, I get this guy. He's going to bring physicality and deep threat right away. Okay. Now it's hopefully. maybe he turns into a bona fide X and it can run the full route tree that's the thing he still has upside and growth and I get the love I really like him as well he's kind of small though right

like 6-1 190 he was skinny I think 188 even I think he actually was even skinny skinny but I mean 435 40 88 percentile broad jump like guys clearly a plus plus athlete it he's intriguing like he's he's really interesting and I just think that if you're looking for that home run hitter type aspect to your offense and that's really what you're like Let's say the Bengals took him in the second round. It's perfect for what they need. It's like, that's the argument. Oh, God, go back to the beginning of the show.

But yeah, that's the argument is you can find a guy like this. That's perfect for it. All right. Let's get to this last cluster of guys here, which I think that's what it is. It's a little cluster of players that are stylistically really similar. And all these guys, you know, they're 5-7 to, how tall is Tony? Like 5-10? 5-11, I think he wins five-loven flat.

Yeah, so that's, I should have known that. But they're all small. guys with a similar play style. So who among that group of three? I would say it's Rondo Moore, Elijah Moore, Cadarius, Tony. Who do you like the most of that group? Oh, man. It's fun.

Look at these three because like, okay, Elijah Moore. I'll start right on. From Ole Miss. I should be better at saying that. Yeah, Elijah Moore from Ole Miss. And what I like about him is that I compared him to Brandon Cooks in the sense that, yes, he's smaller, but he's like more of a complete receiver. I know you say with me here.

I love that. You do? I love that. Yes. Yeah. Right? Because remember him at Oregon State? Because, like, yeah, he's smaller, but he was like a complete receiver.

And they just force fed him everything at Oregon State. Glance her out. Hey, that was, Brandon Cooks is the one to credit for the influx of jet sweeps, as you know, because he got to the Saints. And Sean Peyton went, I'm going to, I like Mike Riley's offense. I'm going to steal a couple of those jet sweeps out of hip slot, you know, and that's what he did for his rookie year. He got him touches.

But that is the type of player. I like where he's more of a ball player. Yeah, he lines up in a slot. He's smaller size. I actually do think he's comparable to Brandon Cookson's size. I think he's a good route runner. I wouldn't say very good or excellent or anything like that, but I do think he's very good.

But he plays bigger than his size. And I think that's why I get that more of he's a complete receiver type. Lane Kiffin knew where his bread was buttered and it was like, all right, this guy is my best player. I'm going to figure out every which way to get him the ball because only good things happen when he gets the ball. I can't remember which game it was. I want to say it was maybe against Alabama. The Bama game, he was highlighted, baby.

The first play of the game, they read a play action pass where they sent him out the back door. Yes. Yep, yep. And just like, that's how you know that that guy is the best player on your team. It's like the first snap, you're automatically drawn up plays to get him the bow and space. Yep. And my one concern with Elijah is that, you know, like I said, he's a weird player for me. me because I love his skill set. He's a smaller guy. He doesn't create a ton of yak.

Like, he's more of like a one speed guy weirdly. Um, and that, that's the, that pull away speed is kind of like what I do have missed, uh, a little bit when watching him. Not that he's slow or anything. I think he's plenty fast. It's just that he doesn't have that extra fifth gear. And he's more of an outstanding body control and hand eye coordination kind of guy, which is fine. Um, I just think, you know, I do compare to Brandon Cooks because I just think that's what he is. He's an undersized, just football player. I really liked him. His tape was a ton of fun.

You think he could play outside full-time? I don't think full-time, but I do think he's better outside than people give him credit for. I know he barely lined out there. When I say full-time, I mean, like, you wouldn't solely have to play him in this slot. He could split his time between outside. I think he can get those 10 to 12 reps outside and be fine. You just don't, yeah, I think he's fine because I saw him on some of these play actions. He'll catch a glance or a drift.

And, yeah, he gets body. I mean, the defender is all over him because he's so small, but he's fine. Like, he's catching in traffic and he. He breaks tackles. He really, he does a pretty smoothly. Yep.

I was just going to say that. He doesn't, he's a short guy, but like he's body control and balance and toughness and, and those types of things as opposed to twitchy and make a guy missing a phone booth that we picture with a shorter guy. Speaking of shorter guys that play a lot bigger than they are, Rondo Moore is a wild player to watch.

So I went back and I watched some of the 2018 tape today because obviously 2019 and 2020 is like, it's not nearly as good and he's been hurt and everything else. You go back and you watch him in 2018, like watch the Ohio State game. It's crazy. Some of the stuff you do. What is your concern with him? I mean, like if you were kind of stacking up the worries you have with him, where would you start? Would it be injuries first?

I was going to say health. Yeah, health, which ties into size. I mean, health really does tie into size. Like that is why bigger and bigger guys. why you look for size, especially in the first round. Now we talked about receivers, I wouldn't take in the top 10. I just think smaller receivers early on is scary until you get into the second round when the risk is a little more tolerable.

It has never worked. Smaller guys get hurt. I mean, John, think about it, John Ross, Tavon, Austin. It's never worked. No, it never does. And with Ron Dale, though, it's like, I think he's getting kind of his value is exactly where it should be right now.

It seems like he's getting that kind of middle second round buzz. know plus or minus 10 to 15 picks that's i think is perfect as far as the risk with him he is smaller like he is 5-7 i never had a concern with his route running like i he's not great but i saw him work from the slot and he understood space and he there's a couple scene balls where he understood when to soften before he got to the safety depth at about that 16 to 20 yard range and i was like okay okay you understand a little bit um i i the the game against vanderbilt i want to say in 2019, just as unbelievable. All of his skill set is on display in that game,

catching gadgets, catching screens, and then running stuff down to field. Yeah, I do think he's going to be such a situational guy. It's got to be with a team that already has another weapon or two, because the risk with the injury and also just with, you're going to have to find the right spots for him. He's not going to be an every, every down guy, but a guy that can play a good chunk of reps.

Yeah, it's just going to be so much situational and so much health with him. but he is dynamite. I mean, with a ball in his hands. It's, it's very, very fun to watch. I compared him almost like a super golden tait in a way. Yeah.

But, you know, that's kind of like a runnerbacker receiver, you know, a little shorter, I don't know, that kind of wider body. So that,

that's kind of what I compared him to. He's short. He's not small. No. He is put together. Mm-hmm. Yeah, five,

seven and what? And like squatting like 600 pounds or some. Yeah. I think he weighs 180. I think he's 57 and 180, which is like, that's impressive. That is.

That is. dynamite. It's just that it's risk assessment with him. And that's what all these smaller guys are. And that's that's the draft though. You have to assess that. Yeah, the tape is this. The injury is this. The character is this. The scheme fit is this. Okay. Now how did all the the analytics say this? How did all those puzzle pieces kind of stack together? And I think with him, his injury and his size concerns is just that bigger puzzle piece as opposed to just the tape. So the last guy kind of in this group is Cadarius Tony from Florida, who again, I'll admit I did not watch enough because every time I turned on the Florida tape, I just got distracted by Kyle Pitts.

Why do you not think he's quite on the same level as those other two guys? Yeah, I'm lower on him than a lot, than a lot of people. I still think he's worthy of a late second rounder. Why so is because, you know, there's a lot, actually. You know, the concerns about his production until his senior year, of course. That's the easy one. They couldn't find a role for him. Dan Mullen is a hell of a coach who knows kind of.

of how to utilize his weapons. So that's kind of concerning. It's not like he went to a team where the offense is just awful. And they can barely get a first down. And you're like, oh, well, he's going to get better coaching. Dan Millen's pretty, pretty damn good. I get, people keep making the excuse. Oh, he was a high school quarterback.

He's learning a new position. He was a senior. This isn't a freshman. He's a senior at Florida. Like, come on now. So that argumented, and, you know, the significant lack of polish that he has, I think is very, very scary for a guy that people are talking about. Some are even rumoring talking about in the first round, which I think is insane.

He complete makes up route stuff. And it's similar that Jaylen Rager did last year on his film from TCU. He'll do like a 180 degree like drop step on a dig route. You know, picture like, you know, stuff like that. And I get it. Like it's cool. The stuff he does. It looks cool.

That you don't get those plays to do that at the NFL. I know it's not like an old man here. But it's there's timing matters. Like if I'm a quarterback, I'm expecting that that guy to be. there at 14 yards right now. And it's like if that guy is taking this time and weaving, trying to juke a guy on a route and he's a second late, oh my God,

the whole thing is screwed. The best example of this was, I was against Georgia this past year, they dialed up a choice route and it was either third or fourth down, like third and three or fourth and four or something like that. And so they run a choice play. They line him up in the backfield because he's a utility player. That's what he was listed as whole career.

But this was his senior year. So he's running out there choice route. You see Alvin Kamaro do it all the time. You see the Saints doing a million times. They, they, they, it's either out route or an angle route. You can sit two against cover two, but yada, yada. It's an out route or an angle route for all intensive purposes. They designed this play for him in a high leverage situation.

He runs the route. It's supposed to be about four yards. He's at six to seven yards before he's breaking it because he's trying to jupe the defender. And then on top of it, there's help defense happening from the, I think the whole player was in the inside. So everything, every coach, every player, this is an automatic outbreaker. There is nothing possible where you, go, oh, I thought I beat the guy with leverage and I beat him on the inside.

He breaks inside right into the help defender. And then there's Kyle Trask who gets whapped on this play. Just the ball just flutters. He's waiting for him to break out. First off, he's laid on the route. Second off, he goes the wrong way. And that happens. There's a lot of times there would be emotioning happening.

He looks at a teammate asking him what to do. And he's a senior. That is scary. That is scary. Now NFL, you get today NFL, that stuff is not spoon fed. The game plan changes week to week. Hey, remember that route? We're that route we called Ranger last week.

Well, yeah, we're running Ranger, but you're the Z on this. We're going to run a 16-yard dig instead of a post this time. We're not tagging it because we want less words so we can go no huddle with this play. Okay, you got it. All right, here we go. Hey, remember that converts against cover two. You got cover three, too. Okay.

Hey, hey, hey, that's a dig against cover two. You know, that's what happens. You have to be so mentally sharp. It changes every single week, the defenses you play against. So that's why I'm so concerned about that. All my alarm bells always go off with college receivers that needed most of their production. to come from gadgets and designer plays, as opposed to the flow of play.

I get that he does catch some balls down the field, but that's not how he gets the chunk of his production. It's him getting the jet sweep, a fake jet sweep where he goes out and his side. They check it down late to him. He makes three guys miss, and that's where, you know, he gets so low. I do want to compliment him because he is dynamite too

with the ball in his hands and unbelievable and has some crazy bend. He's like Gumby. But that's what, that's very telling when you said, how tall is Tony? You know, like 5, 9, 5, 10? And I go, oh, 511.

because he plays so small. Yeah. And man, that is just a lot of red flags for people that are talking as a first round pick to me. So I do want to say he does have some great traits and just the ability to create with the ball in his hands. It was a little concerning again that he wasn't asked to return a bunch. He only returned 10 balls his entire career until his senior year.

Dan Mullen knows what he's doing. Why is this guy not returning plays? Okay, must be the player a little bit, right? Those are the compliments. Or the detriments I see with him, the negative. that I see with him. So that's why I'm just a little lower on him. I just have more risk I see with him than other players.

And the funniest part is you can have other guys in that range and that could play a similar role for you in this draft, just the way that it's fallen, which takes us all the way back to the conversation we had at the start of the show. All right, buddy. That's all we got. Next Wednesday is offensive linemen with Brandon Thorne. So you and I are going to be doing a different position and a different show.

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