The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL - Wild Card Sunday Recap: Bills outlast Jaguars, 49ers take down Eagles, Patriots stifle Chargers

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Wild Card Saturday was one of the most exciting days of the season to date, and Wild Card Sunday proved to be a worthy encore. Here's a stat...Hunter Henry's fourth-quarter touchdown in the Patriots w...in over the Chargers marked the first time all day that any team had a multi-score lead. We went 170+ minutes of football with three games being played in a one-score window. That's a heck of a day. And it ended with the Bills, 49ers and Patriots advancing to the Divisional Round, and the Jaguars, Eagles and Chargers turning the page to the offseason. Robert Mays, Derrik Klassen and Dave Helman recap the busy day on this episode of The Athletic Football Show.Rundown (timestamps are approximate)4:30 Patriots beat Chargers, 16-328:59 49ers beat Eagles, 23-1954:18 Bills beat Jaguars, 27-24Host: Robert MaysCo-Hosts: Derrik Klassen and Dave HelmanExecutive Producer: Michael BellerVideo Producer: Katy DuffyAudio Producer: Michael BellerSocial Producer: Scott KrinchFollow Robert on Bluesky: @robertmays.bsky.socialFollow Derrik on Bluesky: @qbklass.bsky.socialFollow Dave on Bluesky: @davehelman.bsky.socialFollow Robert on X: @robertmaysFollow Derrik on X: @QBKlassFollow Dave on X: @davehelman_Theme song: HauntedWritten by Dylan Slocum, Trevor Dietrich, Ruben Duarte, Kyle McAulay, and Meredith VanWoert / Performed by Spanish Love SongsCourtesy of Pure Noise / By arrangement with Bank Robber Music, LLC Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Athletic Football Show. I'm Robert Mays. Another fantastic day of NFL football on Wild Card Weekend. We dug into all three games today, kick things off with the Patriots Chargers game. A big win for the New England Patriots, a huge performance from their defense. It's incredibly impressive. I mean, they outplayed the Chargers offense in every conceivable way in this game. Started off with that when that went in reverse chronological order, dug into the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Niners game after that. about impressive performances. The Niners doing what they did, just completely outmaned, especially on defense against that Eagles team. And you lose George Kittle in the middle of this game. And so for the Niners to just continue to impress in what Kyle Shanahan and that entire staff have done with this group, another amazing effort from them to keep things going and head to Seattle next week in the divisional round. And then we finish things off with what a performance by the Buffalo Bills against the Jacksonville Jaguars. I said it on the show, firmly believe but this is the version of the bills that felt dangerous heading into the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:01:05 So you can get your defense to create four or five high leverage mistakes, high leverage wins for you, combined with what Josh Allen can be in any given game. This was a good Jacks team that the bills beat today. And I think a very impressive performance by their quarterback and from a defense that I think in a lot of ways is Taylor made to be a playoff defense. So let's get to all of those games with me, Dave Helmand, and Derek Klasson right now.
Starting point is 00:01:39 I think Dave said it best right before we started recording and felt like we were on a 36-hour, like 24-hour football high after the first four games that we got to watch this weekend. And in some ways, it felt like Patriots Chargers was to come down. Roger Goodell was taking a perfect game into the eighth. And somebody said the wrong thing to him, you know, in the dugout. And you get this.
Starting point is 00:02:05 He got shelled in the top of the night. 9th because the biggest dud of the weekend, really the only game that I wouldn't classify as great. Because even the only game without a lead change in the final three minutes, right? Yeah. Every game was a banger up until whatever this was on Sunday night football. Congrats to the New England Patriots. Kudos to you. I think they answered some questions.
Starting point is 00:02:30 You know, we talked about whether they were equipped to not let Justin Herbert play Superman. Well, they were good for them. dominant win, not a very entertaining game, but it's not their job to give a shit. I think that the stuff about this game you can appreciate as a football watcher and a football enthusiast are going to be things that you're going to catch on film when we watch it deeper into the week. Because I feel like the Chargers defense did a ton of funky stuff in the way that they've done it all year. I think that they really got some low light moments out of Drake May, which we're going to talk about.
Starting point is 00:03:04 The Chargers defense absolutely did enough to win this game. and they did it in a fashion that we're used to seeing from them all season. I think the question was going to be, could the Patriots defense put forth a similar performance? And I think the answer was a resounding yes. The pass rush and the lack of past protection from the Chargers showed up again. It wasn't the disaster class for four quarters that it's been in other games this season.
Starting point is 00:03:28 But overall, the Chargers offense put up what I thought was a pretty big stinker for all four quarters. And I think that's not a product simply of the pass protection, crumbling. I think that's a product of the offense getting outplayed in almost every conceivable way by the Patriots defense. And we know that Jesse Minter can throw that. The Patriots defensive coordinator, who is our linebacker's coach, whose name I cannot remember right now. And I literally looked it up right before we started recording. So I remembered it. Zach Kerr, who is their defensive play caller, he deserves a lot of credit for, I think, the performance we saw from the Patriots
Starting point is 00:04:00 defense today because in my mind on every single front, they outplayed the chargers throughout the entire game. Their pressure plan was, I thought, phenomenal in this game because it, not all of it was like bringing extra bodies. I thought you saw a number of times where they were bringing DBs off of the edge. Like they brought Jalen Hawkins a number of times, Craig Woodson blitzed a couple of times. And so they were trying to occupy the back that way, not give Herbert any checkdown options. So I thought they did a good job there. There were also a number of moments where they were like loading the line of scrimmage one way or another and then popping guys out on the first drive. There was a second and 12. they load the line of scrimmage and then all three of the players lined up over the interior just pop out so the guard centers they're standing there doing nothing
Starting point is 00:04:40 and they still got a free rusher yes they still get a free rusher right away and Herbert steps up to evade that free rusher but then all the guys who just popped out are kind of just sitting there waiting for him catching him and I think it ends up it ends up being oh he tries to go throw it away and he doesn't really get anything thing with it
Starting point is 00:04:56 and then there were just a number of other pressures in this game where they did a really good job of there was one where they actually had It was in the third quarter with five minutes and 40 seconds left. It was a third and four in completion for the Chargers. They put a linebacker and a safety like stacked right over the left guard. It looks like, oh, man, we're going to pick the guard. We're going to do something crazy here.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Nope, both guys drop out. Safety cuts across her and the linebacker just spies Justin Herbert. And so when he tries to scramble on that play, Christian Ellis hunts him down because he's the spy. Like they just, I thought their way to contain. Well, we all know that the only way the Chargers offense can move the ball is when Herbert is running right now. Really, they just had a really good plan to keep him in the pocket and hit him. Justin Herbert, not surprisingly, finishes as the Chargers leading rusher in this game,
Starting point is 00:05:35 10 carries for 57 yards. Combine Vidal finishes with 11 carries for 31 yards. I think overall, the Chargers had like 25 or 6, 25, 27% rushing success rate. That's with the Justin Herbert runs put in there. And without the Patriots having their best run defender in Caius Tonga, he'd missed this game. 27% rushing success rate for Vidal on his carries,
Starting point is 00:05:58 one carrier for negative one yard for Omerian Hampton, who essentially didn't play in this game. I think a lot of people, we know that quarterback discourse is coming for Justin Herbert in this one as he loses another playoff game. He is still winless in the playoffs. As the game was winding down,
Starting point is 00:06:14 I was trying to think about how I wanted to frame this discussion about his performance and the Chargers' offensive performance overall, and I think this is where I land. There were very few plays to be made for the Chargers' offense in this game because of the pass protection,
Starting point is 00:06:30 because of just absolutely no one getting open down the field. I mean, there just weren't that many opportunities in the passing game for Justin Herbert. Most of the opportunities and the plays that he made were made with his legs. So the few opportunities that were there, the plays that were there to be made, he did not make very many of them with his arm. That's where I land. There were not a lot of plays to be made, and the few that were there, he did not make them in this game.
Starting point is 00:06:56 I think that's sadly fair. I mean, like, you wanted to see more from Justin Herbert, and I completely get it. I feel like he was outmaned in this game. Obviously, the offensive line has been a problem for the Chargers since week six. What week was it where Joe Alt first got hurt and whatever that Giants game was? But yeah, to not be able to make enough plays to make this stressful for the Patriots, because I was kind of ranting at y'all in the final five minutes of this game. Like, Drake May had some nice moments in this game and he played well enough to win.
Starting point is 00:07:31 But the Patriots were trying to make this interesting. It was a mistake-filled game for the Patriots offense. Oh, my God, dude. I mean. And for Drake May. Multiple strip sacks, a batted interception. Like, there were several big swings here where anything by the Chargers. I mean, Patriots scored 16 points.
Starting point is 00:07:50 If you can turn anything into a touchdown, then you're playing. situational football at the end of this you're trying to game out the final five, six minutes and instead in a game where your opponent scores 16 points this thing just there was actually it was there was a play in the second half where the Pats had
Starting point is 00:08:09 third and 13 they were on their minus 12 and just exactly what you're talking about Justin Herbert hit the dig to Hunter Henry and like it wasn't some game changing play but I was like that probably feels like it because like they're going to be able to get off their goal line even if they punt in another series
Starting point is 00:08:25 the Chargers are going to have to drive a full field instead of maybe getting it at midfield. As soon as he picked that up and I knew that they weren't going to be punting out of their own end zone, I was like, that's probably a ball game. I just don't see this offense doing enough to change that. I want to talk about that play when we talk about the Patriots offense
Starting point is 00:08:41 and Drake May's performance in this game, but I think pointing that out that when that happened it felt like it was already out of reach for the Chargers because the way the game was going on offense, I think that's right. And you look at just the multifaceted failures for the Chargers offense in this game. You have have a couple sacks at the end of the game that I think are indicative of the past protection
Starting point is 00:08:59 issues. Real quick, but okay, I pulled it up in the play-by-play. That was with four minutes to play in the third in a six-three game. Yeah. And then it was over. When he got them out of their red zone, I was like, this is probably a ball game. I just don't see it. And that's how helpless and hapless the Chargers offense felt for most of this game.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And again, it's a multifaceted thing. To play with a sack with like eight-ish minutes in the fourth quarter where the entire pocket just crumbles into Justin Herbert and he fumbles. That's a play where, yeah, your ball security should probably be a little bit better. He's trying to make a play as the entire pocket is crumbling around him. The last one for Milton Williams, where he absolutely dusts Bradley Bozman and drops Justin Herbert in the pocket. We have those moments again, even if the Chargers' offensive line wasn't a disaster the entire game. Keenan Allen has like multiple, like what the hell is going on moments.
Starting point is 00:09:46 On the fourth and two early in the game, that ball seems like he has a chance to potentially go up and get it. he doesn't even try to make an effort for it. And then he has the bad drop on third down in the third, in the second half of camera was in the third or fourth quarter. So those are your moments there. And then the Justin Herbert kind of contribution to this, the play that sticks with me, again, the very few plays that were there to be made and were not made.
Starting point is 00:10:09 There was a play in the third quarter. It was the third and seven where he has McConkey on a little out and up off the left side line. And he's moving to his left and he leaves it just a hair short for McConkey on that It's a tough play. But when the rest of your offense is playing the way that they did in this game, those are the plays that a quarterback like Justin Herbert needs to make. And I think just in terms of the feel of watching him down to down right now,
Starting point is 00:10:36 what's leading to the lack of him finishing some of those plays off as a passer, he's just so antsy and uncomfortable in the pocket. Like there are moments where it's clean enough where he can probably sit there for another half beat and wait for something to come open. but with the way this season has gone, he's just going into creation mode so quickly because he doesn't trust anything that's happening around him. I think it's eroding the quality of his play specifically as a result.
Starting point is 00:11:05 It's really hard to isolate these individual things, but I think there's like a cascading effect with everything else that's happening that's leading to more of those moments than you want from him. There's definitely a lot of that. I think we're at a point where he clearly doesn't trust a lot of the way that the offense works right now. And part of that is the offensive line. and part of that is who he's starting to. And I think that leads to those,
Starting point is 00:11:24 kind of like you're saying, there's going to be some games where you only get seven real opportunities to make a play in this game. And the Patriots defense really played well enough where that was the case. I thought another one was he got sacked. I want to say a little bit before the two minute warning,
Starting point is 00:11:37 and it goes into like third and seven. He could throw a ball to Quentin Johnson, who's like on the backside by himself to the left hand side running like an alert post. He sees the safety to that side come down. And he kind of just holds. holds onto the ball, doesn't throw it. And I understand that, like, that's probably a difficult throw in that moment.
Starting point is 00:11:55 But one-on-one on third down, like, sometimes you would like to see him make some of those plays, and he just didn't. And then, like you said, a handful of the downfield throws that he made, some of them, the McConkey one, he at least gives it a chance. There were two or three where he just didn't give a guy a chance at all. And really, the best downfield shots that they had were the two DPIs in a row that they got. They should have leaned into the all-d-d-pey offense. It was their best option at a certain point.
Starting point is 00:12:17 He had a play in the mid-third quarter that struck me as. weird and it's it speaks to his talent that this strikes me as weird but it was a creation mode play where he escapes going right and quentin johnston just took his route upfield and it's the type of play that somebody with a cannon like justin herbert just lay that thing just throw it as hard as you can and give him a shot to get underneath it and he underthrew it and it's a really tough throw and a really tough play to make but that's that's something that you're supposed to be able to get out of just and And it just nothing felt like it was there for them. They were one of 10 on third down.
Starting point is 00:12:55 The Chargers were in this game. And again, I think that's some failures of Herbert to make the plays that were there. But I think that the Patriots consistently had a really good plan on third down. The play that really sticks with me is there was a third and four on that drive we're talking about with the multiple DPIs. And the Patriots drop eight on that play. And they blanket everything.
Starting point is 00:13:15 And right before the play, they send Ladd-McConkie in motion, the Chargers do. And the corner goes with it. him in motion. So it looks like man coverage and they drop back into it cover two with a drop eight. And it's just they completely fool them. There's nowhere to go with the ball. And I think that's a really good example of the Patriots just schematically being one step ahead of the Chargers offensive plan over and over and over again in this game. And I think there's a conversation to be had about what the Chargers need to think about, how things need to change for them on offense,
Starting point is 00:13:46 independent of the offensive line talent. That's one we're going to have. have on the post-mortem show that we're going to do on Monday into Tuesday because it's one that's very necessary right now. We'll have a more considered conversation about that. But like, again, Herbert did not play well for a lot of this game, did not make the most of the opportunities he got. He also like, this offense has no easy buttons. They like punked. Like the screen, there's no screens, could not run the ball. Their shot plays, they didn't have any open ones. Like, it just, they did not have any easy buttons. I thought it was kind of like interesting that you could see Roman flailing a little bit towards the end of the game where they were just designed running, Herbert.
Starting point is 00:14:22 They had nothing else. And that's what's happened often this season, where it's like he's either just taken off or they're calling design runs for him because they have nowhere else to turn. Which I don't say this to take, like to take a victory lap because obviously for every, for any good take we've had on this show, we've had plenty of bad ones. But I'm struck by how exactly like we thought this might go, it wound up looking. Like when you go back and listen to us when we did the table show and talked about the Chargers, you draft a couple guys with later picks like Trey Harris and Arande Gadsden and Amari
Starting point is 00:14:58 and Hampton obviously once he gets hurt. But even once he's back from his injury, it just wasn't that like the idealized version of what that could look like. Partially because your offensive line is banged up, sure. But this offense just, I don't think they did enough for it in the offseason to give it a chance to get out of, get to another gear, and then once you get those injuries,
Starting point is 00:15:21 I think you're doomed even further. And this team was good enough to make the playoffs. And I don't think anybody had any illusions that it was going to be much more than that. I mean, I would have liked to have seen it look better than what we got tonight.
Starting point is 00:15:35 But this is, this was always the best case scenario of how a Chargers season was going to end. It's like losing a wild card game. The Patriots have really good outside corner tower. I just don't understand how, you have a player like Ladd-McConkey who you can play from the slot
Starting point is 00:15:51 and you're not trying to build the entire passing game in a game like this through a player like Ladd-McConkey. I just don't understand the plan and like what the foundational aspects of the Chargers offense are supposed to be independent of whatever's going on with the offensive line.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Yeah, get him moving and like run some picks and rubs. Actually a good point to that is with on the fourth and four where Keenan Allen it looks like he doesn't really go up for the ball and all that stuff. I thought that was also in a lot of ways. a really good play by the Patriots defense. But so they motion to trips to the right-hand side.
Starting point is 00:16:24 And Christian Gonzalez sees a lot of it. He starts communicating. He puts the nickel and he's like, okay, you go take the point, man. And you would think out of like a trips bunch. Usually you're trying to get some sort of pick, right? You're trying to get some sort of motion to disrupt all this man coverage. The outside receiver is Keenan Allen. He just runs to the flat.
Starting point is 00:16:39 The inside receiver just runs a shallow. And then the point man just runs like a vertigo crowd. They're not actually using the space to pick anybody. And it's like, what is the point of running? this formation on the goal and it was just like completely blew my mind and obviously it was still good coverage by the Patriots in that moment but I just like it's the little things like that where they're not really doing enough to give the quarterback any sort of a chance so we mentioned the Drake made performance in this game there are several like big mistakes that if things were going
Starting point is 00:17:07 differently on the other side of the ball could come back and haunt the Patriots he has those two fumbles he misses I believe was Austin Hooper on that corner route that could have been a touchdown yeah and then he throws the tip-ball interception early in the game. Outside of the mistakes, which I know were big mistakes, I thought he had some really nice moments and some really nice stretches in this game where he's putting together and sequencing several good decisions in a row.
Starting point is 00:17:31 That play that you mentioned where he finds Henry on that third and 13, that's a cover two look where they are running off the hook, I think it was Derwin James in that moment. And as soon as Derwin James gets run off, he's coming back to Henry up the seam on that third and 13. is making that decision so quickly. And I thought there were a bunch of those in this game from him.
Starting point is 00:17:50 His best plays today, there were several, like, outbreakers or verticals down the left side line where he's making a decision immediately based on the flat defender, and he's making throws that direction. There was one play in the first half where the Chargers are trying to run like a funky cover two variant, where Torheep still is the nickel, and he's flying back to the deep half. and May immediately lets that ball go up the left side line. I believe it might have been to Chisholm down the left side. The early one was Chisholm on like the first or second drive. So that's a play where he sees that there's that deep half defender isn't there
Starting point is 00:18:25 and immediately lets that ball go over the flat defender. That was one of them. There was another play where he throws a corner out to Hunter Henry later in the game that he lets go immediately with Henry as the number two receiver. And then the play and the throw of the game from Justin Herbert is the one where he's sliding to his left. That's cover three, Drake May. We did the same thing.
Starting point is 00:18:44 They look at the same. They look the same and they wear the same number. So the play of the game is the throw we had, the touchdown throw he has to Hunter Henry, where he's having to slide to his left against a free rusher. That's another corner route that is just beautifully layered over Derwin James for a touchdown. And so I thought that some of the decision making
Starting point is 00:19:03 and his willingness to kind of take some checkdowns in this game, just consistently making a lot of the right plays some of that is offset by some real catastrophic mistakes but I thought there was a lot of good from Drake May in this game against a very good defense that's going to make things really difficult on you.
Starting point is 00:19:21 He just, he seemed so cool. There was a sequence in the second half where he just, he looked so unbothered. There was nothing hurried about his game. It was ironically the sequence where he got strip sacked shortly
Starting point is 00:19:37 after this, but third and six where he checks it down to Remandre Stevenson. And it, like, it just, it looked like he was doing, like, the virtual reality that teams have in their facility now where he's like, all right, it's not there. They're doing this. Okay, just zip it down to Stevenson,
Starting point is 00:19:52 live to fight another day. Cool little in-cut to Stefan Diggs to pick up nine. They do the option keeper. He's like, all right, I got an alley here. I'm going. And, like, it just looked so calm, cool, and collected. You would never guess this guy is 23, and it's his first playoff game.
Starting point is 00:20:05 And as soon as I was getting really excited about that, he held the ball in the pocket too long and O.A gets to him because Will Campbell got beat quickly. And it was very funny how I was so amazed at his composure. And then I was like, wait, wait, no, two composed. Come on. Speed this thing up, bud. He's fascinating because he plays like he believes the next play can always be the big one. And it's fine that this one's
Starting point is 00:20:30 not. Which it's so surprising for what you expected for me. For what he was in college where it felt like the opposite, where it felt like every play had to be the big one. And I do think part of that is probably just really good coaching and him immediately maturing and stuff like that. But I also do think part of it is sometimes you really do see that from quarterbacks when they really trust the offense as a whole. And I do think that he trusts some of the guys that he's throwing to.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Like Hunter Henry and Kisham Booty and Stefan Diggs, it's not like some superstar group. But he clearly the way he operates, he trusts those guys. And so, and I think he probably trusts the play calls that he's getting from Josh McDaniels. Like he really does play like even if this play only gets us four. and it gets us out of a jam, we might have a shot to get 30 on the next one.
Starting point is 00:21:12 He just plays like he believes, like he has a comfort in that. I like that sequence that you pointed out to me where he runs the option keeper is part of that with the checkdown. I thought there were multiple sequences in this game where it's a real display of all the things that Drake May is giving you.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And the other one, in my opinion, was there was a drive to go up 9-3 in the... Actually, it was the touchdown drive they went when they went up 16-3. That drive starts, the Chargers signed a blitz, and he puts a beautifully placed throw to Kashan Bouti outside the numbers and take coverage where if that ball is not really accurate to the outside,
Starting point is 00:21:44 Booty probably doesn't catch it, but he does. Then the next play, he shakes off a defender in the pocket and scrambles for eight yards, and then that drive ends with the crazy touchdown to Hunter Henry. So there are multiple sequences in this game where you kind of see everything he's bringing to the table. And unfortunately in this game, some of what he was bringing to the table is huge mistakes that a better offense might have been able to take advantage of, But again, I thought you saw a lot of good from him from Jake May over the course of the entire game.
Starting point is 00:22:10 I would have liked to have seen what it looked like in a closer game with five minutes to play, but the Chargers just weren't up to that challenge tonight. The last thing I want to talk about, the fact that we're disappointed with the offensive coaching performance from the Chargers, I don't think should be surprising to anybody. I'm kind of disappointed with the situational decision-making from the Chargers in a way that is notable. Because Jim Harbaugh's entire thing is that he is supposed to be like Mr. Football Coach, right?
Starting point is 00:22:41 If you're going to be the CEO type head coach, you need to be doing a lot of the little things to give your teams the best chance to win. Multiple different moments in this game, I thought he came up short. On that first, fourth, and two where they take the delay and they punt from plus territory, I'm going for that. I think that's a play you go for because your offense is not good enough for you to be wasting possessions and opportunities. They go for it on fourth and two inside the five. They don't get it. I think that's a move you do every single time on fourth and two from the two yard line.
Starting point is 00:23:11 And then they kick the 21-yard field goal inside the five on fourth and two. I go for that every single time and I think the numbers would tell you to go for that every single time. And then the other part of it, I think the broadcast did a good job of pointing this out. The chargers are subbing
Starting point is 00:23:26 when they're in hurry up mode down two scores in the fourth quarter, which allows the Patriots to sub and Mike Vrable, who is an excellent situation coach, they're taking their sweet-ass time. They're taking 30 seconds to trot those guys out there. And in that moment, my thought watching this kind of contrast between these two guys who, in terms of their archetype or similar coaches, what's your CEO type head coach doing for you?
Starting point is 00:23:52 And I thought in this game specifically, Mike Vrable was doing more than Jim Harbaugh was. And I think that's like collectively, people have a very high opinion of Mike Vrable. and you'll often hear pushback of like, well, he's not the play caller. Like, where did this come from? And it's shit like that. He does stuff like that all the time. Like, he was so good at finding the brilliant little edges during his time in Tennessee. And it's not a surprise to see him maintain that in New England.
Starting point is 00:24:22 If you're going to be in Jim Harbaugh's position, you got to do all of, you have to make a lot of correct decisions and a lot of correct choices with all of the ancillary stuff. you've got to pick the right coordinators and situationally you have to make sure your team is completely buttoned up. This is one of those games where I think we can take issue with one of the coordinator selections and I think we can take issue with some of the situational stuff and so we will talk a lot more about that
Starting point is 00:24:45 when we do our Chargers Post Morton on the Monday Hangover Show that we're going to be recording tomorrow. Before we move on, let's take a quick break. Let's get to our next one here. The San Francisco 49ers knock off the Philadelphia Eagles 23 to 19 in just yet another showing of real fortitude from this 49ers team.
Starting point is 00:25:11 You lose tequila-ridden George Kittle in the first half, and it doesn't seem to matter. And I was so impressed with what the Niners did in this game, and we were talking a lot about it in real time, how the talent gap in this current moment between these two teams, especially between the Eagles' offense and the Niners' defense,
Starting point is 00:25:33 is so vast right now. And the fact that the Eagles, like you mentioned today, you mentioned it when we were sitting there, the Eagles had the same success rate against the Niners' defense today as the Cleveland Browns did when the Browns played the Niners' defense earlier this season. Equally talented offenses.
Starting point is 00:25:51 The Eagles are spending $190 million in cash on their offense this year. That is number one in the league by far. The Browns are down at $70 million, and we got similar outputs. against the Niners' defense from both of those teams. When you consider the resources, the talent gap, and the stakes, this was about as disgusting of an offensive performance
Starting point is 00:26:16 as you could possibly have from the Philadelphia Eagles today. I can add to that because it was their worst offensive success rate since the Cleveland game. The only team that's put up a worse success rate against San Francisco, Carolina, in that just dumpster fire of a month. Monday night game. The Niners came into this game allowing an average of eight explosives per week. And the Eagles put up four in this game.
Starting point is 00:26:42 When they built the whole thing to be explosive. AJ Brown, like Sequin Barkley, like that was the whole, that's why you built this offense. It's what they were last year. The Niners just deserve so much credit. On the defensive side, I thought that them buckling down against the run in the second half is what ultimately swung this game. the Eagles in the first half of this game had a 50% rushing success rate
Starting point is 00:27:04 they had 20 carries for 95 yards At the end of the second half when I was checking the numbers They were averaging negative 0.23 EPA per rush the Eagles were And the not that's the Eagles This is an implosion Like the entire it reminds me a lot
Starting point is 00:27:19 Of how we were feeling and talking about the Eagles At the end of the 2023 season I think that's what the offense feels like right now The defense is at least it's only one side of the ball This year But that's how I feel about the Eagles offense but you had some unbelievable run defense moments from the Niners defense in the second half of this game. Three that stick with me.
Starting point is 00:27:39 There's a first and ten with 921 in the fourth quarter. Marquis Siegel comes flying off the edge for a run stuff that makes it second and ten, and the Eagles eventually stall out on that drive. They have to kick a field goal. Three minutes left in the third quarter. Bryce Huff drops Saquan Barkley in the backfield for a three-yard loss. On that drive, it's when they have a third and 13, the Eagles do, and they have a design run for Jalen Hertz,
Starting point is 00:28:04 give up design run on third and 13, which, man, this team loves to do. Another field goal drive. And then Diomador-Lanour had a TFL to make it's second and 18 after a holding call in the third quarter. And that play that Diomador-Dolor makes for that TFL was the exact same play that Sequin hits the chunk gain on early in the game to kickstart that first Eagles drive.
Starting point is 00:28:27 and instead he ducks back outside, drops him a yard deep in the back field, kills another Eagles drive. And so those were the moments that you were consistently getting from just a completely depleted, young, completely outmanned Niners' defense in this game. They were the better unit in the second half,
Starting point is 00:28:46 I think, undeniably. The DPs were playing very good downhill. Like, I think there were a couple of chances that AJ Brown squandered down the field and there were a couple of throws. Yeah, he had a big drop. Right, he had a big drop. And I think there were one
Starting point is 00:28:57 or two that Jalen Hertz also left a little bit short and like so maybe you could have hit them downfields for more and maybe whoever you know the next game that they're going to play that happens to them. I thought in terms of stuff moving forward like on very early in the first quarter or late in the first quarter there was a fourth and two Philly came out and empty Upton Stout flies and almost pick six is Jalen Hertz
Starting point is 00:29:15 on like a little speed out that they were trying to run. Upton Stout's so awesome dude. He's incredible. He is like you want a nickel who moves forward with that kind of reckless abandon. He was and he absolutely. Absolutely has. He was like a cute little story halfway through the year.
Starting point is 00:29:31 And now I'm just like, no, this guy rules. Yeah, now it's like to start him. Like, just keep it going. He's been awesome. I mean, he's been a really good player for them. I'm really good. He's been an exciting player for them in a slot as a rookie. That's what I would say.
Starting point is 00:29:42 He to me is a guy when like when the front starts to look better and the pass rush starts to look better, you start to feel how like aggressive he's going to. When you're two, all pros and Mikhail Williams are all back from their season-ending injuries. When he's like your seventh best defensive start. instead of your third or fourth or whatever it might be right now. I think you'll start to feel him. And then he actually had another really good play early in the third quarter. It was the third down. They actually,
Starting point is 00:30:06 the Eagles motioned Devonta Smith from left to right and up and stout follows him. So they think they're getting man. He actually up and stout falls off of it. And so Jalen Hertz throws the swing thinking they can get some sort of pick. Barclay's going to be free in the flat. Upton Stout is flying a thousand miles an hour to go hit Barclay. Seekwon Barker kind of hears the footsteps and he doesn't catch it. It's incomplete.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Like it's just plays like that where they The attitude that this Niners defense plays with Despite being down five, six, seven guys And a lot of them being their superstars Pretty incredible. Eric Kendricks turns 34 next month and was not on a roster at Thanksgiving. They were down to linebackers five and six I think. Garrett Wallow hadn't started a game since 2022 and he had nine tackles on the year.
Starting point is 00:30:50 He finished with 11 Wilson and Wallow combined for 20. 21 tackles. Wilson had a couple big run stuff. Obviously, I mean, considering the Eagles called a timeout to get their shit together on the season deciding play, a very uninspired play to lose the game,
Starting point is 00:31:11 but Eric Kendrick's deflected it. Like he batted down. He officially won this game for the 49ers. And yeah, to be linebackers, whatever it is, 5 and 6 or 6 and 7, because the winners and Tatum Bathoon weren't available for this game. It's the story of the Niners season. We can't leave that sequence there.
Starting point is 00:31:31 We have to talk about that fourth and 11 sequence with the game on the line. First of all, the Eagles in that moment have all three of their timeouts in this fourth down. But if you give it up theoretically, it was like 50 seconds left. So theory, you could stop the Niners and you could get the ball back in some way. Game is probably doomed to so. You have yourself the best chance. They instead call a timeout to try to get into the best play. And they run forward.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Yes. Which like in that spot of the field is fine, but like you had to deliberate to call four bursts. That's where we are with this team right now. And then throw down the seam into triple coverage no matter what. Like it just the operation, the execution, the game management of it all blew my mind. I'm disgusted by their offense. Like I like this game was not an exception to how I've been feeling about them for a while. This offense, again, when you consider all of the different factors is a gross watch on every level.
Starting point is 00:32:22 considering what we just said about who was available and who was playing in this game, like if you go back and watch that play, it really is wild that there was no conflict for like Eric Kendricks or like for them to sort through. Like there was nothing for them to do but just park themselves at the sticks and wait for a throw. Like and if for that to be what you come up with in a timeout, it's pretty wild. We're talking about this in real time when we were watching the game, just the talent disparity between these two teams. So if you took, let's say the top two players just in terms of pure talent post-kittal injury on the Niners, let's say it's Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey,
Starting point is 00:33:00 and let's say you took the two most talented players on the Eagles roster. Let's just for argument's sake, let's say it's A.J. Brown and Sequin Berkeley. How many more Eagles would you list off before you got to the first Niner? I mean, the rest of the defense, basically, so that's like 10 guys.
Starting point is 00:33:17 12 or 12 or 13 guys. Like even not including Lane Johnson. And, yeah, Lane Johnson didn't play today. So in terms of investment, in terms of like pedigree, all of that stuff, Devante Smith, Jordan Myelata, Landon Dickerson, Dallas Goddard, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, probably Jalen Phillips, Zach Bonn, Quinion Mitchell, Cooper DeGine. You could probably get to like 10 or 12 guys. You would have been to know Kobe Dean. Did you say him before any of the linebackers that you
Starting point is 00:33:44 You're, Nicobi Dean Diomador Lenore. Yeah, that's probably like where your cutoff is. And I probably would want Lenore. but like when that's how far you have to go down the list. That's 10 guys without even thinking about this. The Niners played. And the Niners won this game. The Niners played this game with more than a hand tied behind their back.
Starting point is 00:34:02 It's almost like they're being coached by somebody who should win 2025 NFL coach of the year. Well, we'll see what happens when Mike McDonald plays against the Niners next week. Hey, that's, hey, that's perfect. I mean, especially McDonald was talking about it before the Sunday night game. He was on NBC talking about like how weird it is for them. to play the same team twice in a row. So for them to get another shot at each other in such close succession, that's going to be a coaching clinic.
Starting point is 00:34:29 But I have a feeling Mike McDonald's going to use his personnel advantage more adequately than the Eagles did. I thought the Eagles defense played more than well enough to win in this game. They had a couple big interceptions. I mean, both of them, I think, are bad moments from Brock Purdy. The first one, they have an inbreaker to, I believe, Joanne Jennings on the right side and everything about the design of that play, the intent of that play and the pre-snap look that you're getting from Philadelphia would lead you to that
Starting point is 00:34:57 in-breakground time. He gets a tiny flash of pressure in his face. He has to reset and then comes all the way back to the left side to Sky Moore with a contested throw against Quinnion Mitchell. That ball gets intercepted. The second one, the Niners are in 22 personnel and so the Eagles are in base. He's got Jake Tongis as the number one receiver to the right side. theoretically in what becomes one-on-one match coverage with Quinyon Mitchell and tries to throw the crosser to Jake Tanges against Quinyan Mitchell and the ball gets intercepted. And so I felt like the Eagles defense made enough plays in this game,
Starting point is 00:35:32 but the offense was just nowhere to be found to keep them in this against a depleted bad 49ers defense. To go back to that point, and we already hammered this, but the stats are just too good to ignore, the Eagles got stuffed on 22% of their attempts against, San Francisco, which is like seven points higher than San Francisco's average stuff rate this season. Their rushing
Starting point is 00:35:54 success rate was 46% despite the fact that the Niners entered the playoffs with the worst rushing success rate, defensive rushing success rate in the NFL. They had one explosive run. Which like, and that was like really early in the game, it was the first draft. We know, we know that that's been an issue
Starting point is 00:36:13 for the Eagles all year long, but to be unable to make any anything pop on a more consistent basis against a defense this depleted. It's just it's unbelievable. And then on top of that, you know, it looked like they were trying the perimeter and they tried a lot of
Starting point is 00:36:30 like swing passes and screens to try to replicate that. And even when it would pop, two of them got called back by holds. So even when they got something going, they would trip themselves up with, you know, Darius Cooper had a hold. Who was it? Cam
Starting point is 00:36:46 Jurgens had a hold that called back of Jalen hurts run. So it's bad. And then when you do make things pop, you make it worse with your own mistakes. Just, just abysmal stuff. I really appreciated Kyle Shanahan understanding the game he was playing in the second half without kiddle, where they were going to have to use some smoking mirrors to find explosives in order to get where they needed to go on offense in this game. Because in the first half, there was nothing going. They had the first, though, they had the opening drive touchdown and then that was it. And the opening dive touchdown was great. DeMarcus Robertson, cooks Quinion Mitchell.
Starting point is 00:37:19 I think it was cover three and just cooks them in a kind of a one-on-one look. That's a 60-yard completion. They go down and score. After that, Niners are having a really hard time moving the ball, and it was easy to understand why. You have this Eagles defense where it's not hard to figure out what you need to do. If you can't run the ball into light boxes against the Eagles defense, you're going to have a bad time.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And they could not run the ball into light boxes early in the game. I believe in the first half, McCaffrey had four carries for four yards into light boxes per next-gen stats. It's going to be really difficult to move the ball on this team when that's happening because they're just going to play a lot of umbrella coverage. They're going to take away everything else you want to do. But in the second half, I felt like they really did a good job of scheming up and hunting out explosives. The trick play is obviously the best possible example of this. They run a reverse pass, Joanne Jennings, who is a very highly rated high school quarterback recruit, finds Christian McCaffrey for a touchdown. But on that same drive, that was the one where
Starting point is 00:38:13 they run this formation now where Jus Shek is kind of in that little like tilted motion as an H-back and they'll send him in quick motion right before the snap. And they do that and they run a play action pass off of it and he sneaks out to the left flat with everything else bled out. They get a 27-yard completion off that.
Starting point is 00:38:29 The trick play gets them in for the score. Their next touchdown drive that was the one where it was a defensive hold on Blankenship that kind of like kept the drive going and then on that drive they flip out a little screen that's really well designed to McCaffrey for 10 yards. There's a straight run play where the left guard and Brandel just get crazy good push.
Starting point is 00:38:52 I believe it was on Ojoimo. That's a 10-yard run. And then that drive ends with that really cool design on the McAfree touchdown where he's on the right side in shotgun, sneaks out, I believe, the right A-gap, winds to the flat, and then runs an angle route backwards. And what's cool about that play is if you watch, this is like pure progression football at its best, McCaffrey starts to his right on that play. He checks through every single option on the play.
Starting point is 00:39:18 And as he gets to McCaffrey, the timing on it is so perfect that when his eyes get there is the exact moment, that McCaffrey is coming open as Purdy steps up in the pocket. And so when it comes to understanding where you needed to find your big plays in this game and then consistently being able to come up with four or five, six designs that get you there, I thought it was an incredibly impressive performance from Kyle Shanahan over the final two quarters. That angle route was a fun little twist. One, because usually when you see guys release opposite out of shotgun,
Starting point is 00:39:48 they're just running straight to the flat because it's just like, it makes a lot of traffic for those second level defenders. But also the Niners do a really good job of usually that pivot player is like a tight end. So they'll have a guy in the slot or like in a wing position. He'll run like a little, he'll start to run to the flat. And then he'll pivot back to the middle of the field as soon as pretty is progressing to it. To do it with McAfree, your best player, I thought was awesome. McCaffrey overall had a game that as a pass catcher,
Starting point is 00:40:12 Telly only he can have. Like on the first... It's a great way to put it. It's so true. On the first drive, he had a play where he runs over the middle. And he like jumps into traffic in the area. It looks like Drake London and comes down with the ball.
Starting point is 00:40:24 That was incredible. The tracking on the trick play where he like Willie mazes it over his head was incredible. And then obviously what you just mentioned being able to run that angle route. And I know like it basically just ends up being a one on one with the backer. But like, just the navigation to like take a weird release that like most teams aren't doing. Like he's such a unique player from that position. He's awesome. It's not related to his ability as a receiver,
Starting point is 00:40:48 but I would add his only explosive of the day came in the red zone on the go-ahead drive. Like crunch time, late game. He just surged forward, took two or three guys with him. And I think he took the first contact after seven or eight yards and turned it into a 10-11-yard gain. He's just, he's phenomenal. It's funny. You mentioned just like, what can only he do? And that used check 27-yard completion that I was talking about,
Starting point is 00:41:11 On that play, I believe it's play action. I was rewatching on the dots and obviously can't see it. But I believe it's play action. And then McCaffrey releases through the A gap and then takes it vertical. And on that play, both linebackers carry him vertically. So there's no one in the flat to account for use check. And so not only is he making catches that only Christian McCaffrey is probably capable of making in that position, he's carrying gravity into the passing game that only Christian McCaffrey is capable of.
Starting point is 00:41:40 He's a special player. He really is one of a kind at that position. Like there are other great running backs. That dude's one of a kind. This isn't the timer place for that conversation. I don't know. I feel like Bejohn, Bejohn's up there too. Bejohn is like the closest stylistically, but there's a different level of like
Starting point is 00:41:58 contested catching and tracking with Christian McCaffrey. I think. And he's a ball in his hands. And he's a good route runner. His deployment, I think, is more varied than McAfri's is right now because of how often and they're lining him up at receiver. But I think that McCaffrey, the ball tracking for McCaffrey, the contest the catchability.
Starting point is 00:42:18 And again, to me, it's the gravity of what he is within the offense. It almost feels like watching, like, Steph Curry play. Where you, like, he changes the geometry of what defenses are able to do against you because of how you have to account for him. By no means was my intention to diminish Christian McCaffrey. It's a fun conversation. Mainly I just like to see Bejan Robinson and Kyle Shanahan working together. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Yeah, it would be pretty sick. I mean, I know the contested catch was amazing, but yeah, the touchdown from Jennings, just such a more difficult catch than you would think based on he just makes it look routine, but he is a special, special player. I also love a call like that right out of the quarter break. Like any time you get- Shot territory right out of the quarter. Anytime you get some sort of like either the quarter break out of the two-minute,
Starting point is 00:43:07 directly out of a turnover, like any sort of like directly out of some sort of like weird stop in the momentum, a weird shot play is fun. I thought that was a good call. The crowd has six minutes of commercials to sort of be not as into it as they would be. It's, yeah, it's the perfect like lull to do something like that. And you need that, you need
Starting point is 00:43:26 that play within the rhythm of this game. And I think Kyle Shanahan doesn't always need that. Like, at his best, Kyle Shanahan is able to unleash a dangerous group of pass catchers with a well-constructed offense, and that's why the Niners feel scary. By the end of this game, you've got no
Starting point is 00:43:42 You've got no Pierce all. And you've got, you know, this version of Jennings, I think. He's been a little bit banged up this year. He hasn't been nearly as dynamic as he was last season. And so we're at a point in the second half of this game where they're dialing up like design space plays for Luke Farrell. And if that's the current state of your offense,
Starting point is 00:44:02 you're going to need to find like a sneaky explosive or two somewhere along the way. And that's exactly what they did. The Seahawks might peel them like a banana next weekend. and it won't change my mind about the coaching job that Kyle Shanahan did this year. And to a, and Robert Sala as well. But again, that falls under the umbrella of decisions that Kyle Shanahan made this year. I'm as impressed with what the Niners did today as I am disappointed in what the Eagles offense look like today. Equal parts.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Can I throw this stat out there? The Philadelphia Eagles this year went 8 and 0 when they held their opponent to 20 or fewer points this year. and they went three and seven if their opponent scored 21 or more points and less you think they got into some shootouts the average points allowed in those games where they went three and seven was 24 that ain't a lot man
Starting point is 00:44:57 that's the type of stat you're used to hearing for like if we said that about the chargers that would make a lot of sense because that's an offense we know to be inept and not all that talented about the Eagles is crazy given all the players they have we're going to dig it in depth tomorrow but we could talk about it in broad strokes now.
Starting point is 00:45:12 The Eagles will have a different offensive play caller next year, and it just seems like we're going to keep doing this cycle over and over and over again, where the Eagles are going to be, the Eagles are so talented that when they, and I think very highly of Shane Steak and I think Kellamore did a really good job this year. But when the Eagles have an offensive play caller that clears a certain bar of competency, the offense is so talented that that play caller is going to be hired away, and then they're going to have to do this thing over and over and over again. So now the Eagles are going to be back in a spot.
Starting point is 00:45:41 where like Kellan Moore, they just have to seek out somebody who has done this job before and has done it at a competent enough level that you believe they're going to be able to make this work with all the aliens that you have on that team. They're just going to pay Todd Monkin to be like $3 million to be the offensive coordinator and they're going to do it. Honestly, that's the best strategy the Eagles can employ. We know what we are. And listen, Nick Serriani won the Super Bowl last year.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Any ideas about Nick Siriani losing his job because of something like this, I think that's a bridge too far. But I think we've gotten to a place where the same thing they did with Fangio, it's like, let's just try to pay the best coordinator we can, four to five million dollars a year. And I think Fangio makes even more than that to make sure we're maximizing the talent we know we have on the roster. And if we are leaving no stone on turn and we're leaving no doubt about that with the way that we're staffing the team, we're probably a Super Bowl contender. Do you think the right OC hire can smooth over the ride that was the. the AJ Brown experience this year?
Starting point is 00:46:43 I don't know the answer to that. Because I don't know like how rotten that is. That's a complicated compared to 2020. It seemed pretty rotten last year and they won the Super Bowl. And so I have, I can't speak to whether that's eroded to a point that it doesn't matter who they hired to be the next offensive coordinator. But I have a feel, I don't think they're trading AJ Brown by the way. The financials of it.
Starting point is 00:47:06 The fact that AJ Brown is what AJ Brown is as a player. I have no idea how you are a better. team in the short or even medium term by trading AJ Brown. But I think if the next offensive coordinator comes in and he devises a way to get AJ Brown a dozen targets a game, I feel like that would be the best route to making sure that this thing gets smoothed over. Oh, man. Yeah, the financials aren't encouraging.
Starting point is 00:47:28 I mean, the Eagles have done a lot of shady bookkeeping to maintain this roster in the way that they have. So I think stepping outside of that plan when it is a very well-planned out thing over the next couple years, it has some complications to it. It shouldn't be, yeah, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a super cut of things to show AJ. Like, hey, this is what the new guy can do for you. It's going to be fine.
Starting point is 00:47:50 You're a great player. We'll spend some time talking about that tomorrow, like who the candidates should be because I think that that is a job that a lot of people would want, given the talent you get to work with and given the fact that we have a proven track record that is a springboard to a head coaching job. It has happened twice in the last five years. All right. our next game. Let's take a quick break.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Get to our last one here, a game that we were all very excited about coming into the weekend, and it did not disappoint. The Buffalo Bills knock off the Jacksonville Jaguars, 27 to 24. I want to just walk through your emotional state as it relates to this game. How are you feeling after the way that this all unfolded for Trevor and the Jax? Ultimately, fine. I think Trevor played kind of like an average Trevor game where he had some like, really silly moments. He had like two or three sprays, obviously early in the game. The pick that he throws, the second pick we can talk about at the end of the game. I don't think that was his fault. The first pick he throws is his fault. The defense is running
Starting point is 00:48:53 like Tampa 2. He's trying to throw the dig from the left side like behind the pole player. But there's with the way the concept is designed, there's nothing on the other side pulling him that way. They're running like a corner route with whoever the outside receiver is. And then they're running like a shallow drag route across the guy's face. So he's kind of brought back into that dig window anyway Trevor throws that at him ends up getting tipped and picked off It's an incredibly cool disguise Oh yeah it's a really good defensive
Starting point is 00:49:19 And this is when we were talking about the game That's what you wanted it This is exactly the type of stuff that I thought the bills Would try to do because it's the stuff they're very good at Like the bill's defense is not a talent Leiden group top to bottom You got a lot of aging players We'll talk about a couple of them who played well in this game
Starting point is 00:49:36 You need to again Throw some smoke bombs to try to get plays like this and that's what they've been able to do consistently this year. And it's honestly been one of their strengths for the last couple of years. Like pre-snap disguise is a foundational piece of what Sean McDermott has been on the back end, even if they don't have a lot of like super high-end talented players back there. And on that play, the bills are in a single high look pre-snap. And the little detail on that play that I find so cool is that Taran Johnson's on the left side in the slot.
Starting point is 00:50:07 And he's tilted inside looking like he's going to blitz. And so not only is the structure single high pre-snap, there are tiny body language things that make it seem like they're going to play single high man. And instead, they bail out into cover two with Poyer flying into the back half and Trevor gets fooled, throws the interception. And so those are the moments that I was like,
Starting point is 00:50:28 the bills need to do this if they are going to win the game. And that was the first one that they got. Yeah, I did joke like he kind of got it out of his system, which I do think he did. I thought for the most part, for the rest of the game, he'd made like pretty decent decisions and really otherwise just had a couple of sprays. And then I thought he found himself a little bit towards like the second half of the game.
Starting point is 00:50:46 I thought he made a couple of really good throws. Like the Parker Washington touchdown he throws. One is a really good throw into tight coverage. But also Parker Washington bending around Christian Benford. I thought that was like an incredibly athletic play. She was awesome in this game. Parker Washington is such a good player. We talked so much.
Starting point is 00:51:04 And it happened. I get that. But like we talked so much about what Jacoby Myers did to lift. lift this offense. And over the last three, four weeks of the season, I just consistently felt like it was actually Parker Washington who was doing a lot of this stuff. And today was no exception.
Starting point is 00:51:21 And just, I won't let you walk this road alone, Derek, because you catch hell for your Trevor opinions and your Trevor belief. Trevor Lawrence was good in this game. Like even with the early pick, like he played fairly well in this game. Guess what? Football shit happens.
Starting point is 00:51:40 tightly contested football games. Like, I have no issue with the game deciding play. Like, I thought Chardavius Wich made the freaking play of a phenomenal coverage. Play of his career. Played like it was 2019. Like, he hasn't been in all pro since 2019. And he was one of the biggest difference makers in this entire game, by the way.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Because Trevor also almost throws a bender touchdown in the red zone to Brenton Strange. And Trey White falls off of his guy out by the number. recognizes the throw, recognizes the play, and darts across the lane to make a play on that ball, almost pick it off. That's, I mean, two phenomenal plays by Trey White could be the difference between Jacksonville winning and losing this game.
Starting point is 00:52:23 And I don't know, man. Like, they've been living and dying with Trevor having the confidence to make these dig throws. Like, he's been ripping it over the middle to his guys all season long and it's typically worked. The throw was there. Like, he had a, a step on him and then he put it high enough for him to get it and Tray White just made an awesome play.
Starting point is 00:52:45 And if we're going to shit on Trevor Lawrence for that, that that's fine, but it's not going to be me. This to me just overall felt like, I think on kind of both sides of the ball, a pretty good Jags team that just like didn't have that extra 5% and was like a young team. Like this is still, Trevor has not played a lot of playoff games. And so I think you saw, you got some of the early mistakes that he is prone to making a couple of the sprays that he will make every now and then. you saw some of the weaknesses with the offensive line. I think Buffalo got a couple of pressures when they wanted to and really did not allow Trevor outside of the pocket, which he's been really, really good at,
Starting point is 00:53:16 especially over the back half of the season. So I thought that was good game plan-wise. Again, against the coaching staff that has a lot more playoff experience. And then I thought there were just a couple of weird play-calling moments and decisions from Liam Cohen. Like, them going away from the run game when they did at certain points. It was really surprising. The first drive out of the half is the one that really bothered me.
Starting point is 00:53:35 They're moving with the run game. And they get all the way into, I think, into the high red. And then they have a pass on first down where Trevor throws it incomplete to Brenton Strange into the flat. And then they call quarterback draw for Trevor. And Deion Walker nukes it immediately. And then you're in third and ten and you have to throw. And it just felt like in that moment,
Starting point is 00:53:55 like when you're running and that's clearly what you've been able to do for a lot of this game and really get, especially on the perimeter, moving guys out of the second level and stuff, for that drive to stall out that way was a little bit frustrating for me. Whenever we complain about teams not running the ball enough, I think it's important to zero in on specific sequences where they decided not to run the ball and it came back to bite them.
Starting point is 00:54:15 I had that exact same sequence written down. First drive of the third quarter, it's right after you get the 26-yard pop run to ETN. They have a straight dropback and then they have a design draw and then it's third down. The other one, there was a sequence early in the third quarter or in the second quarter where they get into a third and 12 after two straight drop-back passes
Starting point is 00:54:34 that was right before the fourth down failure. that they didn't end up getting. So they had two straight passes on first and ten and second and ten. They get to third and twelve on that. One of them was a sack. They get to third and twelve. They get to fourth and two, and then they don't end up getting the fourth and two.
Starting point is 00:54:48 The first eight carries by Jags running backs in this game gained 88 yards. And so I think in those two specific sequences, they did not run the ball enough. And so I think some of it is play-calling stuff. And I think what I saw from the bills today is exactly the formula the bills needed to follow. for them to be a dangerous team in the playoffs. We mentioned the interception.
Starting point is 00:55:11 I thought that there were several other, like, high leverage, nice moments from the Bill's defense in this game in crucial situations. The fourth and two, it's a massive play in a playoff game. To not give up points with another team deep in the red zone is a massive play in a playoff game. So that's one of them. And then the other play that really sticks out to me, you and I talked about it in real time
Starting point is 00:55:31 that I thought was just like, this is the good shit. It was third and six with like 40, 40 left to, in the second quarter. And the Jags run mesh, thinking they're getting man coverage, and the bills run a simulated pressure where both edges drop out, and they run a little cross dog with the off-ball linebackers. They get a pressure.
Starting point is 00:55:50 And Cole Bishop drops down into the middle of the field and against his own coverage, which it was, it ultimately expressed into his own coverage, you theoretically have that over-the-ball route. That's your option against zone. Cole Bishop drops right into that route. It leads to an incompletion, I believe, to Parker Washington, and the Jags are punting after a third and six.
Starting point is 00:56:11 This bill's defense is capable of that. That is what this bill's defense is. That's what they can do. If you're going to get into third and six, they're going to throw some weird shit at you, and you're going to have to deal with it. And that happened on that side of the ball. And on the other side of the ball,
Starting point is 00:56:27 number 17, the place for the bills is one of the best football players in the world. Just like very simply. That was like his, I don't even, know how to explain it. He was incredible in a way that was like mostly quiet outside of that insane throw where he gets like folded in half almost and chucks the deep post.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Josh Allen was spectacular in this game. Yes. Josh Allen finished 28 of 35. He had a 54 and a half rushing success rate with multiple rushing first downs, including a couple big scrambles. He had a couple unbelievable high level throws. And when you look at the game and the aggregate,
Starting point is 00:57:03 kind of feels like a B plus Josh Allen game. That's how, that's how good Josh Allen. A quiet Josh Allen game. A quiet Josh Allen game that would be a like playoff defining moment for like most other quarterbacks. I said after the game we were talking about this a little bit and I was like if Trevor had that game we would all be thinking about Trevor Lawrence in a completely different light but Josh Allen does that and it's just like yeah he does that. I did I defended Trevor I really I hated the fourth and two like and that's you want him just put his shoulder down yeah get those two yards and like look more confident as a runner he's not. He's not. He's not
Starting point is 00:57:36 Not, though. He's not. Please, just barrel over the line to gain like Josh Allen does every time he's in those situations. But I digress. So Josh Allen against a defense that has been a top five-ish defense by some advanced metrics, top seven if you're being... Even if you're trying to scale for some of the shitty quarterbacks they played by the end, like, top ten. Like, they were playing some awesome defense down the stretch. 0.18 EPA per dropback for Josh Allen in this game, which is like about what he averaged for the season.
Starting point is 00:58:06 is a top five mark over the course of the year. That's what we got from Josh Allen in this game. And then you mentioned, I mean, there were several, like, big time Josh Allen plays in this game. The throw he hits to Brandon Cooks where there's a free runner in his face
Starting point is 00:58:23 and he puts that ball to Brandon Cooks 40 yards down the left, up the left side is like, that's just like an one-of-one type play that very few guys can make. That is, he just sticks his back foot in the ground And it's like you can hear him in his head where he's like, all right, this is it. I've got to do it.
Starting point is 00:58:41 And he just does it. He puts it right on him. Like, his ability to do that and just truly stare down the barrel and not be afraid of those moments was truly incredible. And he also like out of the gate, the throw that he makes to, I think it was Brandon Cook's where he like just barely layers it over the defender on the sideline. And Cooks makes a crazy catch on the sideline. Would have been DPI anyway. But like him starting the game off that way and then really continuing to play the rest of the way that he, did. He didn't really make a mistake, like maybe one or two sacks where I thought the
Starting point is 00:59:10 Jags guys just brought a good pressure to. But otherwise, Josh Allen played a mostly perfect game. And he even had the Brandon Cook's inside the two minute that like post he throws down the middle, taken off the board. Where that looked like a catch to me, they obviously replay it. And they say that he doesn't get it. And then they fail the third down after that. But he, Josh Allen played about as well as you could have in this game. After getting the shit kicked out of him really in the game. He was at like 70 percent. He was in a medical 10, three different times. also I just I deeply enjoy and we're talking about the who Justin Herbert has available to him and the type of separation that those guys can get. Khalil Shakir led the day for the bills 12 for 82.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Seven of those targets were behind the line of scrimmage, which I mean that's Khalil Shakir. That makes perfect sense. But after that, it's Brandon Cooks and his one big catch. The Keon Coleman, where he gets loose against cover two. and I think that was still in the first half and then a whole bunch of Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid. Like Josh Allen has been piecing this together
Starting point is 01:00:12 with the most underwhelming group of pass catchers. And that I will say if I want to give the other Bills players some credit and maybe give the Jaguars a little bit of hell, the tackling from the Jaguars in this game was not great. And there were a couple big coverage busts. Yes, there were a couple... The one where they drop Keon
Starting point is 01:00:28 Coleman up the right sideline. And then he makes Sharon Jones miss and gets like another 15 yards out on top of that. The Khalil Shakir, it was like a third and nine that he converts because he like spins in between a couple of guys like and then Shakir had another handful of plays where again they're throwing behind the line of scrimmage and it looks like it should go for one or two
Starting point is 01:00:45 and it goes for five or six like it just the little stuff like that where the Jags would miss a tackle in a way that over the last like six weeks they just really weren't missing a lot of those plays I'm glad you mentioned that third nine to close Shakir was like a bubble screen to Shakir was early in the third quarter I think it was out of the first drive out of the half it was out of empty he hits a spin move in space it's a huge conversion I believe it was on the next play.
Starting point is 01:01:07 The throw to Cooks is my favorite Josh Allen play of the game. It was the best Josh Allen play of the game. But this one that was the next play after that Shakir bubble screen, this is one where it's just like, this is what really makes Josh Allen, Josh Allen. Like we see the superhuman physical ability, but it goes so far beyond that. On that throw to Shakir,
Starting point is 01:01:25 Josh keeps his eyes to the left immediately as he's dropping back. It's cover three from the Jags. And he holds the post safety for just long, snaps back, puts his foot in the ground, and immediately just rips the seam to Shakir coming up the right side. If he does not hold the safety on that play, and if he can't get back to that throw quick enough, that does not turn into an 18-yard completion.
Starting point is 01:01:48 On that same drive, third and five, he rips a little just outbreaker to Gabe Davis that if that's not perfectly placed, that's probably not a completion, and the bills ultimately get a field goal on that drive. And so he was just doing that kind of stuff over and over and over again in this game. He finished 9 of 12 for 144 yards when pressured per next-gen stats.
Starting point is 01:02:11 9 of 12 for 144 yards. Because that's the thing, they were getting some good pressure. The Jags front outplayed the bill's offensive line in this game. Yes. They did a great job of condensing the pocket consistently, and they were pushing the bills around in a way we do not typically see with the bill's offensive line over the last few years. So the pressure was a consistent issue.
Starting point is 01:02:32 And if you look at the issues that the bills were having running the ball, I looked this up with 345 left in the third quarter. The bills had a 25% rushing success rate and a negative 0.17 EPA per carry on their running back early down runs. It was 12 carries for 38 yards. So the bills throughout this entire game were in second of nine, second and eight, over and over and over again. And so I think some people,
Starting point is 01:02:57 when they're trying to diminish what Josh Allen has been, within this offense, point to the fact that they have been able, over the last couple years, to rely on their run game in a way that some other quarterbacks cannot. In this game, that wasn't the case. He had to shoulder so much of the load, and guess what? He was more than up for doing it. Gabe Davis also exited this game, and Tyrell Shavers missed a healthy chunk of it as well. And he had made a couple of nasty blocks of them on the perimeter early in the game.
Starting point is 01:03:26 So losing them again, like hurts what they're able to do in this game. like Josh Allen was, and what's funny about all the early down runs, you can remember all of them. All like, they only really had like three good runs in this game and they were all just tosses into the battery. They're pretty. Every other run, especially all the other stuff up the middle, completely clogged up. Like Devon Hamilton had a good game. I thought the linebackers had a good game.
Starting point is 01:03:48 It was a really, really impressive day by the Jaguars front. Again, they just got beaten coverage a couple of times because you get a few mistackles here. And then Josh Allen four or five times a game. just going to do something really, really incredible. I love my favorite sequence from the offense for the bills in this game was early in the fourth quarter. They have a third and four. They're in a little bunch to the left. They run a little yo-yo motion with Kincaid just to get some information and then create some traffic.
Starting point is 01:04:11 He flashes to the flat. Alan hits him conversion on third and four. The next play, they hit a big chunk to Dawson Knox where Josh just layers it over FOIA-LU-Con for a 24-yard gain. And on that drive, they hit a fourth and inches following the Jags had a challenge on the slide. Fourth of inches, they get it, and then you get the Kincaid touchdown with 856 left in the fourth quarter. And so it's like that entire sequence,
Starting point is 01:04:35 I thought that was strained together like structural kind of schematic things that put them in an advantage. That was my favorite set from the bills and from Joe Brady in this game. And I mean, again, we have a season full of examples of this, but to use Shakir as the eye candy on the fake screen.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Even on a flipback look like that. Again, the structure of that is really, really well done. Yeah. Especially in a game where you've been throwing a lot of those screens. Like you've set that up for the whole course. Obviously they've set it up for the whole season,
Starting point is 01:05:07 right? Because they've been doing a lot of that. But they set it up over the course of the game. They're like these flat players, these hook players need to fly to the flat. Like Devin Lloyd starts to chase it a little bit. He realizes that he needs to carry Kincaid. But then weirdly he does start to carry him.
Starting point is 01:05:19 And then he like falls off of it at the end and thinks that news, like he got a little bit lost on that play. So it was a little bit of everything on that play. But yeah, I actually did think that the bills. the passing game was about as good as it could have been. I think overall, the run game was bad in this game, and that's something that you don't necessarily expect with the bills,
Starting point is 01:05:37 but I thought a lot of the aspects of who the bills were in this game is the reason that even if they were maddening at points this year, even if they were frustrating, what they were today, I was like, that that's why this team is dangerous. That's why in these playoffs this team is dangerous, because the defense is capable of doing enough weird shit to get you four or five high leverage wins, and the quarterback is the quarterback.
Starting point is 01:06:00 And we've learned a lot of lessons about relying too much on that this year and the limitations of that sort of thing. But it still fucking helps to have one. If you could go back earlier into the season, like the loss of the dolphins comes to my mind, maybe the loss of the Falcons, but my memory is fuzzy. But if you were designing a bill's playoff loss, you'd be like, oh my God,
Starting point is 01:06:21 if James Cook's rushing success rate is 30% and he finishes with 46 yards on the day and you're asking Josh Allen to work with this group of pass catchers and even a more depleted group of pass catchers than usual because you have in-game injuries, you'd probably say, yes, this is how it happens. And this week, at least, Josh Allen really rose to that occasion. And his reward for that is at Denver.
Starting point is 01:06:44 It's awesome. The fact that they have to go on this potential murderer's row, this Jags team is a good team. This Jags team is a good football team. Again, they played a good football game and we're just 2% worse than the Josh Allen bill. Good takes exposed by Derek because he said it and we both called him crazy. I called him crazy.
Starting point is 01:07:05 I hate that this was a wild card game. I don't know if this should. AFC championship game. Maybe it shouldn't have been the AFC title game, but like it sucks that one of these teams is done. It's exactly how I feel. The Jags, yeah, like especially Trevor's first pick was not great. I didn't love the effort level there or the coordination level on the fourth and two down in the low red zone. But the Jags didn't play a bad game. Trevor didn't play a bad game.
Starting point is 01:07:33 You win this game with anything less than an excellent Josh Allen day. And the bills got that and credit to them. But I would have been pumped to see both of these teams on Divisional Weekend. That's just how it goes. We get to see the bills head to Denver next weekend. and I'm very much looking forward to that. We're going to talk about all of the wild card round losers in depth on tomorrow's show. We're also going to be recapping the Texan Steelers game live right here,
Starting point is 01:08:03 the same way we've done over the last couple nights. And so that will come to you overnight. And so we're going to have two shows in your feed on Tuesday morning. We're going to put that in the podcast feed. It's not just going to be on YouTube. So a lot more stuff coming your guys way over the next couple days. really looking forward to it, excited to get to it, a fantastic weekend of football, and it is not over yet.
Starting point is 01:08:26 We'll talk to you very soon.

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