The Athletic Hockey Show - Critiquing Meier, McCabe & Lafferty, Orlov and Jeanott trades, Updated trade board and Pheonix Copley makes the most of his chances with LA Kings

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

With Craig on assignment, Sean welcomes Shayna Goldman as our guest co-host this week. Gentille and Shayna critique the most recent trades, including Timo Meier landing in New Jersey, the Leafs getting Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty, Boston acquiring Dmitry Orolov and Garnet Hathaway and Tampa sending all their picks to Nashville for Tanner Jeannot. Phoenix Copley of the Los Angeles Kings joins to discusses his role with the Kings, grabbing the opportunity to be the starter in Los Angles since his recall in December after years in the minors, his relationship with fellow goalie Jonathan Quick, and he tells us about his tea/supplement company that he runs with his fiancee Jess, which is called Athletes Apothecary. Check it out at https://athletesapothecary.comPlus Sean and Shayna take a look at the ever changing trade board at the Athletic including Patrick Kane, Vlad Gavrikov and James Van Riemsdyk.Subscribe to The Athletic Hockey Show on YouTube: http://youtube.com/@theathletichockeyshowGet a 1-year subscription to The Athletic for $2 a month when you visit http://theathletic.com/hockeyshowTry Peloton risk-free with a 30-Day Home Trial, New Members only. Not available in remote locations. See additional terms at http://onepeloton.ca/home-trial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is the Tuesday show. It's the athletic hockey show. Craig is gone. Thank God I needed a break. You've been bothering me for weeks. Enjoy the NFL Combine.

I'll be there for a couple more days. Major, major upgrade here. We have Shana Goldman in the house taken over for Craig this week. Sheena is taking time off from writing, of the website, I think, at the moment. Like, is that, is that, is that what your assignment was, has been for the last two weeks? When I was like, when I was going through stuff yesterday and I saw you pop up on a piece with Jeremy Rutherford exploring like, non-Timo Meyer options for the blues, that's when I was like,

oh my God, someone, someone needs to, she needs to take a break. I felt bad about asking you to do this, but here we are. No, I'm doing a good job at managing my workload this year somehow. Like, I actually feel like I am. It's just every story I have planned has been like shifted. I keep punting things. I think I've punted one story four times now and it's fine. That's why today isn't a hockey podcast.

We're actually, you know, Craig's not here to say no. It's a wrestling podcast today. This is fine. We can talk about, we got the AEW pay-review coming up on Saturday. We can just go deep on that because God knows this is going to. The concern here, and we're going to try to guard against this, is that if we go too far into any individual players, that they're traded the moment we finish the record and send our audio off to Jeff.

So with that in mind, we are going to talk with individual players because what the hell else can we do? The new updated trade board is up on the site. That's work. It's done by Russo. It's done by Eric DeHatchik. There's a couple other folks involved there. I'm forgetting exactly who.

It's Russo and DeHatchik mainly, though. And they needed to just do like a total overhaul after after the last weekend, right? Because the big moves have already, have already started. The dominoes have already started to fall. So we'll get into the board. We'll talk about some players who hopefully don't get traded in the next 48 hours. But first, with you, I just want to go over what's happened over the last few days. The dust from Sundays settled.

And on Tuesday morning, as we sit here, like, what are your thoughts on the folks who've won the last 72 hours, right? With some time to think about it, with some time to think about the Genoa trade and Meyer and all this stuff we saw over the last three days, who do you think is actually improved themselves the most over the last couple days? Everyone not in the Western Conference. Airs sleep. Wake up west. Let's get moving. like only to Danmov and Nino or like the only Western trade so far

everyone else is like yeah we'll wait we'll see what's left over after the East I totally thought on Sunday morning whenever Vegas whenever Vegas made their move and whenever Winnipeg you know Winnipeg had already traded for Nino I thought that maybe that was priming the pump for one of those Western teams to really get it on Meyer right and that lasted for

a couple hours yeah And everyone's like, no, we're actually good. We don't want to match for that price. We're fine here. And the while they're out here being like, no, we're just going to stop players from going to the West. We're not going to bring anyone here ourselves. I love it. Me too.

Why not? They have one, they can do that one more time, by the way. They can, they have the ability, if Bulgarian so chooses, they can take on one more retention spot and stop a good player from heading to the Western Conference one more time. time over the next of the next few days. That's a that's an interesting uh interesting approach. Let's talk about Meyer because obviously the devils are kind of an area of focus for you. Um, and you wrote about him extensively as, as did all of us on Sunday. Like all hands on tech for the Timo Meyer spectacular. Like how much Timo Meyer content can you can you handle?

Is there any team? Do you think you should have ended up somewhere else? Who's the other team that should have looked at that price tag and said, like, all right, we can actually do this. We can send, we can send back two firsts and, you know, a solid but not like super S-tier prospect. Like who out there outside of the devils would you rather, would you like to have seen maybe get in on the betting? I think that Vegas should have pushed harder, but I'm sure there was like an extra tax because it's Vegas and division opponent. And I just looked at their roster and I'm underwhelmed. but it's St. Louis in Detroit for me that surprised me. Like St. Louis has all these assets and I wonder now if they're like, you know,

we're going to offer sheet him this summer. It's totally fine. Do whatever you want. We can just spice things up in the future. They have the first to do it. So that would be kind of intriguing. But like, I don't know. I really like the idea of Detroit jumping in here. They have the cab space.

They have the assets. They're going for it and he's not a rental. Like he makes a ton of sense for them. I just wanted to see, I have no problem with him being in New Jersey. Let me start with that. I'm going to watch a lot of this. team anyway. Now they're more fun. So that's good for me. I've watched a lot of. Yeah. It's a, it's a good deal for everybody, whether you're a devil's fan or not to have

Tim O'Meyer, potentially riding shotgun with Jack Hughes or Nico Hescher. They can like, by the way, fight it out for him, which is hilarious. I love that. The idea of those guys like, you know, where, where does he end up and with whom? So that's great. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, the implication isn't like that we're upset that he ended up in New Jersey. But the, the prices is what makes you wonder. Yep. Like, couldn't somebody have beaten this? Couldn't one of these other teams, you know, have, have offered something that was a little bit more appealing to my career?

And maybe, maybe not. But yeah, so that's, that's really the question. I love the idea at Detroit. Those are, that's a, that's a fun one. They have the potential to spice it up. I feel like Detroit, Buffalo, Seattle, like, they're like the sneaky teams. I'm waiting for them to do something. Buffalo is always the one.

I said it like, it was like I was just trying to, I was trying to manifest that I feel like in, in, in, in December. Imagine Dylan Cousins. Make this happen because he fits the time frame, right? They have, God knows they have the cap space, even though they do have to worry about, you know, getting the jump that's going to take place for them over the next couple years. But they have the cap space. They have the right time frame. And they have the assets to send back. So, yeah, I've, I was, I was on.

that train around the holidays. And it never, it never really picked up steam. Like they never made it into that, that group of five or six teams that Winnipeg kind of snuck into at the end, to really make her run at them. So it's disappointing. Yeah.

I mean, like cousins plus Meyer going opposite Skinner and Tage, like that's the show we all need. The only thing that I would say would hold back the Sabres is it does feel like they kind of have like an internal cap for their forwards. Like no one makes more than $8 million except for Skinner, which this general manager, didn't sign. So they were like, well, it's not going to make sense for us. But like, if you can get Tim O'Mire, go for it. He's young enough. He's good enough. He'd be fun enough. And I get,

you know, I get the idea of internal caps and I get internal valuations on, you know, the assets that you send back. And, you know, there's a, there's a lot of emphasis put on, you know, time frames and whatever, like totally. But just from a personal, I think that's why I love him on the devil so much because I'm all in on just, you know, Win games why you can. Don't take this stuff for granted. Don't take a young core, whether it's Jack Hughes and Nico Heeshier, whether it's Tage Thompson and Dylan Cousins and, you know, in Rasmus.

Like, whatever. Like, go all in. And the fact that we did ultimately see one team do that is, it's a positive thing. We need more teams going for it. We can't, we need less teams that are content, contending for wild cards and, you know, playing around the playoffs and collecting some, revenue there. Like, go all in, chips to the middle of the table. Yeah.

What, is there, so whatever, that's the, that's the top line move. That's the one that everybody's been talking about for a few days. Is there any of the other like secondary, secondary trades we've seen over the last three days or the last week or so that you think were maybe particularly shrewd on either end? I think the predators really did amazing in the Tanner-Gin-O deal. And that kind of helps because I think they got such an underwhelming return. for Nina Ryder, like a second round pick for someone who's not a rental who's very good. Like, I don't know. I think that was really bad on the Predators end.

But to get five draft picks plus Kyle Foote for a player that has five goals, that is, it's something else really from Nashville managing that. And for Tampa, it's so interesting because of the way Julian Breezebaugh phrased it. Like, these draft picks, they don't help us right now. They're not going to help us with this core. They're not going to help us right now. the player we draft is not going to be good by the time, like, we're still contending. I fully wholeheartedly agree.

I think he's so spot on, right? He needs to do whatever for this core. You're about to just totally, you know, echo the echo my thoughts. We're on the same page with this. Absolutely. Keep going on. When you trade out these later picks, those picks are not going to be, like right now where if you are the lightning and your pick for this year is probably going to be your, you're hoping,

30 to 32, same value as a second round pick, really. Doesn't matter. Sure, sell those. But now you're starting to go those years out, your core is going to age. Those picks could be valuable to you, or they might be the piece that helps you extend your window. And it's just like, did you use them in the right way this time? You're right to sell your picks. You have no reason for them. And you're fine just having this window and dealing with the aftermath later. For Tarrant, you know, who at his best, even if he thrives there, and I think he will, is going to be a second or third long and are like a little odd. Is that the right player to sell?

Like the conceptually it's great. The process is fantastic. We just got, we just spent two minutes talking about like, yes, try to win. That sounds basic and boring almost, right? But there aren't enough teams doing it.

There still aren't. So to see the lightning to say like, this is all that matters. All that matters is the next few years. I see Julian Breezeboe say like a pick in 2025 that's going to get there in three years. Like, who cares, right? You make hay while the sun shines if you're Tampa Bay. Like, I'm conceptually just totally, totally on board with it. The fact that it was, you know, is where is what should give people pause. And that's what makes it a more easily

questionable move by a front office that has seen in fairness, obviously in fairness to Julian Breesbaw, the times they've done this in the past have worked. Like, we're like, look how good his Brandon Hagle been this year, right? Like, it was maybe a little, there was a little, there was a little bit of an adjustment period last season for him after they acquired him from the Blackhawks, but he's been fantastic, right? So I get wanting to, you give Tampa the benefit of the doubt always, always, always, because you don't win two cups by accident. Julian Braisewa is a smart, is a smart dude. And I trust that they know that on some level Tanner Geno is going to work in their system and he's going to bring something that they need. Also, by the way, not for nothing.

that deal comes after, you know, after the Meyer deal, after that whole run of deals on Sunday night, and after they lose to the Penguins in kind of a bizarre, a bizarre game. So I don't think the timing there was, was totally a shocker. But man, it's hard to believe, even though Tanner Genoa is like, he has the size and he fights and he does stuff that we don't see from that many guys, it's hard to believe that there was in a similarly effective middle six player who's going to be cheap for the next couple years that you could have thrown that that amount of picks at, right?

Like there had to be someone else out there where they could have kept some of those, kept some of those picks that they sent out for him and used it to acquire another guy, right? Yeah, it's one trade that you're using five picks on. Everything. Yeah, like that's a different. Like, you look at contend, should they spend their first-round picks? Should they spend their picks?

Absolutely, you should. The Maple Leafs are doing it right now, too, and they have, like, no picks over the next three years, but they got four players for it. You got one player, and yes, he's a year, you're getting two playoff runs out of him, ideally, similar to Coleman, similar to Barkley-Drow, and both those moves at the time,

I think most of us said, overpayment. Will this deal be amazing, and we're going to forget about it when they're, you know, crushing in the playoffs? Absolutely. But it doesn't change the fact that at the time of the trade, and even after you could still look at and go,

overpayment. Five picks for one player and like maybe they're saying, well, he's going to replace Kallorn internally because we can't afford his next contract. So that's second line potential, good score. You know, he's better than he was in Nashville. All of that's true. But five picks for a secondary player is what it's going to boil down to every day of the week, even if he's the best secondary player out there. You could have paid more to have someone retain salary. Instead, you just went, no, well, he's cheap. He's big. Yep. Love the process. The results are the results are they're going to be into

like got again said it before I'll say it again like God bless Tampa for making this interesting and you know giving us something to talk about and also that that's a compelling story not just this season but for the next few

is what happens with Tanner Janelle right like that's and how do they get picks back do they sell like they've been pretty good like Ryan McDonough knowing one to trade and when his value is going to start sinking can they get the picks back and can they do it with players who maybe

they're a little bit, there's a little bit more, a little bit more personally tied to a little bit more skin in the game than Ryan McDonor, right? Because Ryan McDonough, great as he was in those teams, he wasn't trapped and developed by the, by the lightning. He was, he was a rangered. And that roster is stacked with guys who there are, who have deeper emotional ties with the people who built that team and with the city and with the franchise and all that stuff. So it'll be interesting to see if there's quick to pull the trigger on selling guys, before their value starts a crater when it's, you know, somebody other than Ryan McDonough, maybe. Yeah.

Like Tyler Johnson's value was gone by the time they moved him. Sure, they couldn't get a buyer sooner, but maybe it's because they waited too long. Gord, they got nothing for. But they wanted him for the playoff runs at the end. So it's like it's a tricky, it's a slippery slope. Like you have to manage that better than everyone else. We don't need to spend a lot of time in this because God knows the Leaf's report did and, you know, whatever. Your favorite team.

Just the bane the bane of my existence. Good for business, then I'll tell you that much. I'll take it. What do you think of the lease trade? They added Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty for, you know, essentially a first and second round pick. You did not have to worry about the trade grade on that. So I'd like to get your take on that one.

Yeah, I was very busy. Couldn't do it. Thanks a lot, Jeremy Rutherford. Okay. No, blame the Gino's story. That one, I think, is the Geno. Sorry. And that was Ian's idea for me to write. So blame him fully. That's, it's enemy's fault. I hope you're listening. So I've been called a Leaves fan recently, too. Like, I'm in the same boat as you. People think that, like, I'm like Dom's mouthpiece and cheering on the Leafs. So, um, sorry, but I'm going to say something pro Leaves here. I know. I like the trade. I don't think you should be packaging up assets ever because I feel like you just lose value. And we start with like Orloff Hathaway, too. Like,

Yep. Washington should have gotten more, and I think the same is true here. Other teams are going to pay up for Lafferty because he's been scoring recently and because he's super cheap, and you can use him as like a versatile bottom six guy, which everybody loves since Tampa won because of them, even though they won't because they had a really good court. We can say that Boston should have gotten more for O'Ferley,

or that the cap should have gotten more for Orloaf. Absolutely. In Hathaway, it's true, but Chicago got even less for, for McCabe for McCabe and Laffey. Lafferty is not the player that Hathaway is, but I think you could argue given the contract situation that McCabe is more valuable than Orlov is because Orloves are rental and they have McCabe for two years after this at $2 million, right? Yeah, like I think Orlov's a way better defenseman than McCabe, and it's because he's a little

less passive and he's really good at moving the puck. But like, Jake McCabe's cheap and everyone always overspends on these defensive defensemen. And it's like, here's one at 50% salary who can actually handle those minutes and not just sit they're absorbing shots against, not doing anything to push space play. Like, he's a good pretty one-dimensional defenseman. Like, he's good at his job. He is what people, he is, he profiles as the player that, his profile is a fix to so many players just inaccurately and incorrectly, right?

Where people say, oh, such and such is a good defensive defenseman because he doesn't provide anything offensively. Like, those are the two binaries there where it's like you're either good at offense or good at defense. And that's, that's not necessarily. true, but in McCabe's case, it is. Yeah. If you take a lot of minutes, if you block a lot of shots, if you hit a lot, you're a good defensive defenseman when you're just, you don't have the puck. If you're

hitting, you probably don't have the puck either. And you're trying to figure out ways to get it back and you didn't stop the play from developing in the first place. You didn't have good gap control. You didn't protect the blue line. You didn't make a stick play. You have to chase around the player with the puck afterwards or just throw your body in front of it to stop the damage. You can be good and be physical and play that way. But like that's not the way the game should be played anymore. And that's not how we should be talking about defense. But literally no one knows how to evaluate defense.

So it's not surprising the Leafs, a team that's a little bit more innovative. And yes, has a ton of nerds working for them, finds the actually good defensive defenseman to invest in and gets it for less than what someone like Scheratz went for or someone like Gavikov almost went for. And like credit to the Bruins too. They're not the most traditional front office anymore. They have some really smart minds in there that could have been like, hey, Orloff is 10 times a player that Garberkov is. If he is ready, jump at that. I think it's similar to when you look at Athaway, right?

Because everybody is like, this is a boss in Bruins type of player. He's big and a banger and top 10 and hits and whatever. And all that's true. That's the kind of player that we've come to expect the Bruins go after to go after for generations. And here we are again, right? But at this point in 2023, he is the best possible version of that. that player, the fourth line banger who can, who can, you know, throw the body and

be physical and also get like chipping some goals and not cannot kill you on run-of-play stuff, right? Like, he is, he fills, he feels like an old school need, but does it, you know, in a way with a focus on, on the stuff that makes hockey teams good in 2023. So yeah, I think that's, I think that's an interesting point. You know, these teams went out and got older archetypes with kind of a new, a newer twist on them. That's a really good way to put it. I like that a lot. Thanks.

Thanks very much. You should be a writer. Yeah. Definitely shouldn't be a talker. Good God. I don't mind if I just listen to this. I want to, okay,

so I want to go back to the Leafs though for a second because I wanted to ask you to answer. Yes. Because I love the Leafs so much. Do you think that Toronto's assets, you know, that first round pick and that second round pick and the cap space that they ended up using on

McCabe and Lafferty, do you think that, should have been used on more, on some more scoring punch for maybe that, that third line. Like, is, is, is, was this the best use of their assets for, for this particular team? I think they probably, they could have seen that they could get Lafferty for so cheap and they were like, sure, let's go for this. I still think, but that's a need. I, if I'm them, I am moving one more player out, getting a couple assets back and now flipping those for that third line role. I think that's something that they like legitimately need. We see it. They're one of the best

offensive generators. That's totally true. You still have to finish your chances. If you don't have players capable of that in your third line, that's a problem. And with O'Reilly, I imagine he's not going to be on the second line forever. We kind of heard as much. He's probably going to play the third line. He's a really good playmaker. His problem in St. Louis didn't have people to finish his chances. He goes on that third line right now. It might be the same problem. He's not going to have Mitch Martin and John Fares or Willie Nealind or like you gotta do something I think so who moves I mean I'd be curious if they could kind of make like a cap dump deal with someone like I keep looking at Carfoot he's the one for me that I'm like do you move him try to get a third back and then flip him for someone

you know that could actually add a little pop to your third line like that would be really smart Love it Verana Jacob Verana Toronto All about it Imagine Verana Who we worry about

His defense With O'Reilly In a third line Roll like That would be really good See I feel like we're speaking This into existence

Yeah Trying Don't like it at all We're going to save The trade board Discussion for the third segment We can just knock that out there We can cherry pick some names

that we like Hopefully none of them are gone by the time we finish up, we finish up recording here, but we'll do our best. In the meantime, I didn't even introduce our guest at the top of the show. You have King's Goaltender, Phoenix Copley. We recorded this yesterday, really smart, thoughtful guy. He was very willing to nerd out with me and with me and Shane on some questions there. Just some goalie nerd questions, some evaluation questions. and I thought you did a good job and provided a lot there.

So enjoy Phoenix Copley and we'll be back at the end of the show for the trade board. We are thrilled to be joined by L.A. King's goalie, proud of Alaskin. Phoenix Copley, greetings to you in sunny, no, snowy Southern California. Is that still happening down there? Actually, we're on the road right now in a little bit. That's right. You're in Winnipe, well, you're here. We got the snow here. But, yeah, I heard it's, the weather there's been kind of crazy since we left. Yeah, you brought it with you, I guess. I was going to ask about the trade deadline and how this time of year, this time of year, you know, given the way your situation changed is different, but it's not just about the deadline. A lot's changed for you year over year. So how are things different? And what have the last couple months been? Like, I know it's a big question, but I mean, you look at you've been in the past. It's pretty, pretty strong 180 for you.

Yeah. So, I mean, as far as the deadline, that, like, what happens at the deadlines, I just kind of chalked that up as out of my control. So, you know, I try not to really think about that too much, but and then, you know, yeah, this year is kind of an unpredictable

circumstances and how it's played out. I, the last few years, um, I've been trying to earn an NHL opportunity and it just it wasn't really happening. And So I signed with a different organization this summer, and my goal is just to kind of put myself in a good spot and try and earn an opportunity and then be ready whenever the opportunity came.

And so fortunately, it came this year, and I've been able to just kind of, you know, do my best to make the most of it. And yeah, so it's been, I'm fortunate to be with this organization and an organization that's so driven to win. So, yeah, I'm just kind of, every time they give me an opportunity to play, I want to do my best to give the team a chance to win. And that's just, that's been my outlook on it since the start. Is this what you expected when you sign up with the Kings?

And I know, I know there were some, you know, unexpected moves maybe early in the season with them. But when you were picking your destination, you know, in the off season, is this, is this how you saw it panning out? I mean, not exactly. It's hard to predict. these kind of things. I just wanted to pick an organization where I felt like I could earn an opportunity and I'd heard a lot of good things about staff here and the goalie coaches,

both in the American League with Maddie Miller and then with, obviously, with Billy Ranford here. I heard a lot of good things about those guys. And so I felt like regardless of where I was, I would be able to keep improving my game. So it just seemed like a good fit for me to try and put myself in a good spot to play. So how difficult is it for you to act me to a new team to a new system, you know, especially if you go from HL to NHL or from team to team, like how, what are the challenges for any goalie in that case? Yeah, it's kind of different going into a holding organization.

I had been traded once before. So I was in the capital's organization. I was in that organization for a long time. And then I was traded after my first year and then traded back to Washington a year later. So it's kind of an interesting tournament of events there. But it was nice to kind of get that opportunity to go to another door. organization to kind of see what that's like. So I kind of had a little bit of an idea of, you know, going to an organization. It's just kind of, you know, you start from from scratch and

getting to know the guys, getting to know the staff, just getting comfortable with how things are done in the new organization. That's kind of the, I guess where the first thing is is just getting kind of comfortable there. And so that was kind of what I was doing in training camp and getting to know the guys and seeing how things are done. And then midseason when that, when that, it happens like when you get called up. You're usually pretty familiar with guys because training camp, you know, you're spending time with them. And as a goalie, you know, you're familiar with the goalie coaches both in the American

League and NHL, so that's not such a big jump. So it's really just kind of, you know, getting in the group with the team and then getting in the group with this schedule because a big difference is the American League schedule is a lot more weekend games and it's a little different in that regard where the NHL is just, it's like every other day. your plate. So that was kind of an adjustment in getting used to the different schedule. I'm sure we'll ask about the workload in a minute, but I did want to ask about Bill Ranford. You mentioned him specifically. Is there, you know, as kind of a motivating factor for you to sign with

the organization, what is it about him? Like, is there anything in particular where you saw him, you know, in the run up when you're making the decision, stuff you've heard, whatever, where you're like, okay, that's a guy, that's a guy I want to line myself with. That's a guy I want to work with. obviously his resume as a goalie kind of speaks for itself he had a outstanding career in the NHL so um and then just kind of his his demeanor no he's he's he has that experience he's been through obviously tons of ups and downs with his own career and then as a coach so he's he just has like a calming effect i think where um you know it's just nice to be around that and he kind of his coaching style is kind of he you know

us kind of work through some things and he gives us what we need with video and reviewing games and then we kind of get to, you know, work through some stuff that we want to get better at ourselves and it'll set up the drills, drills obviously, but we can kind of work through some stuff ourselves, which I think is, yeah, I think it's nice for me personally. I'm always trying to improve certain things, and so it's nice to have that where it just gives us this space. But I think the biggest thing with him is just his presence, his experience. So how much do you work with a goalie coach versus the head coach? Like how much on a daily basis do you communicate, you know,

about your game with the head coach versus who's starting and who isn't? I think that that's probably something that's different per organization. Here I think it's mostly through Billy. Billy is kind of our, who we communicate through. And then he's the one that we're going through game tape with. And in practice, if we want to work on something, he'll help us set up a drill. So it's mostly through Billy.

How has the dynamic with Jonathan Quick? I think I know what your answer is going to be there. But, I mean, his resume speaks for itself. He had a huge win tied Tom Barrasso a few days ago. But what's it been like working with him and how is stuff unfolded with you, you two over the last couple months? Yeah, Quick. He's been awesome.

He's been an unbelievable teammate. He's another one of those guys who he's had such a long career. He's been through so many. like glorious moments as a goal. He's, he's got a great resume. So it's cool to be around that and see how he carries himself. And,

and yeah, like I said, he's been a great teammate. And, you know, guys that play for so long, there's always stuff you can learn from him. So I'm always trying to pick up different things.

Like, he's been in the HL for so long. There's a reason why he's been in the HL for so long. So, you know, I just try and learn from him. And he's been super supportive and helpful for me. So that's been awesome.

to be his partner. What kind of stuff have you learned from him? Because I know, you know, not a lot of guys stylistically are like him. I know there's some differences between he and you there. But what can you draw from him? Is it, you know, is it like load management or like what's the biggest thing he brings the table in terms of the advice you seek from him day in and day out? Yeah, he's another guy who has a good presence. You know, he's an older guy who, you know, his kind of steady as you go. It's not, you know, nothing too high, nothing to low. So I think, like you said, we don't play really the same. So, you know, there's, there's certain things I can learn from him, um, goaltending wise, but I feel like it's more, um, mental

stuff that, that I learned from from Quicky, but, um, yeah, no one really plays like Quicky. He's, he's, he's, he's had, you know, I watched him growing up and, um, he's always had that explosive, you know, he makes huge saves that only Quicky can make. Do you ever remind him that you watched them growing up. I don't think I've ever told them that. I remember their first playoff run. I was in Alaska. I remember that one against New York.

And that was cool. Yeah, I was just going to ask that same thing. Do you ever remind them? So, you know, there's going to be other goalies coming up their ranks who are going to say the same thing. They watched Quick growing up. Do you think that any goalies are going to start trending towards his game? Or are there other trends you think stylistically we're going to start seeing the next

couple years from goalies? That's a good question. I don't know. I feel like it's kind of unpredictable. If someone knew where Golding was going, there would be the cutting edge. I think watching young guys, watching World Juniors,

that's kind of where the game is going. How those guys are playing, that's kind of where it's going. But, you know, there's always outliers. There's guys who play their own style. I mean, Marty Broder played into his 40s,

and he never changed his style. And it seemed to work for him, all the whole time. So it's kind of, gulting is one of those things where everyone kind of has their own style a little bit and everyone has what works for them. And, you know, you can always build on it. But if you stray from your own game too much, then, you know, it's, you're going to be forcing things. So gulting is a very unique position, I think, in that regard. So it's hard to predict where it's going. But I think if you want to get a glimpse at it, it's probably watching the guys, the top guys in World Juniors. What kind of stuff are they doing? Like, because I'd love to hear

from you. I mean, you, you know, more watching this stuff than we do. Like, when you, when you, when you watch those young guys, like, what are they, like, what's the, what are the differentiation points? Their edges, they have great edges. They're, um, they play with control. Um, you know, that's the kind of thing that's the kind of things that I see. There's, um, you know, positionally, they're really well, because, because forwards are, they're getting so much better at changing the angles, making plays and stuff. So not playing to, you know, managing, definitely. You know, has been a big thing that I see. Yeah, I think those are probably the things that I've noticed the most.

Why do you think we are all so bad at analyzing goaltending? I mean, the dad is weak, what we talk about, the goalie's big. He's, you know, if we're talking, he's weak, high blocker side. It's like we're reinventing the wheel. What, like, how do we evaluate goalies? How should we? Please, please, please tell us. Please, make us better.

I'm on a scout. I think it's because it is kind of individual. Like I was saying, guys have things that work for them. We were talking about quick earlier. He's a guy who he plays his own stuff. I don't really plays like Marty Broder. Like I was saying earlier, he's got, he had his style that no one could replicate. So I think it's, and you, from the very beginning of when you're a young kid,

you're probably developing your style as you go. So it's kind of an art form, I guess, where you know, you have your style and you kind of take bits and pieces from guys you see or guys you play with. And it's not so cookie cutter. It's not like it's not like a one size fit. It's all like you're a butterfly goal. You're a stand-up goal. It's not really like that. There's different elements.

And, you know, some guys read shots better. Some guys, you know, make lateral plays better. Some guys have stronger edges. It's just how you blend all that together and different guys blend. blended together in different ratios. So, you know, no two goaltenders are ever going to be the same. And maybe that's why it's so hard if you're trying to just make it a black and white scouting report up, it's not really like that.

There's a lot more elements to go into it. And that's just kind of the physical stuff that you see. Then there's the mental side of it. That, you know, that's just as complex probably. When the Kings called you up in December, you had, I'm sure you had a sense, like, all right, this is an opportunity for me. Like it felt like the net was open. How did you balance that with your actual play? Because you got off, you got to a hot start. You're nine and one in your first 10 games. Whatever, one goal start to kick things off. How did you balance like the

idea that this was the opportunity you're looking for? This was, you know, kind of an audition, an audition shot there with, you know, actually performing because that's a tough, that's a tough balance of strike. I'm sure your eyes could have gotten big if you approach it a little differently. Yeah, I try and always just take one game at a time, I think, too much

the, you know, what's going on on the situation, whether it's good or bad, because, you know, things can snowball in the wrong direction. If you're, you know, too much about the bigger picture, it's kind of what's going on. in that moment and rolling with that. So, yeah, when I got called up, I had known, you know, I didn't know if I was going

to play at all, but I just knew there may be an opportunity. So I just wanted to keep preparing for myself for the opportunity. And that's kind of just been my M-O for the last couple of years on a day-to-day basis, just come to the rink and continue to get better and continue to try and create opportunities and take advantage of opportunities that I can. So you're approaching, you know, your heaviest workload yet in terms of games played at the NHL level. Is there anything you've changed about your routine this year versus years past to

manage that a little bit differently and deal with fatigue if that's a problem more than years past? I think it has been kind of over the past few years for me learning to manage the workload and practice. And that's something I've taken that stuff I've learned the last few years into this year and having someone like Billy Ranford and seeing Quicky as well, how they handle things. And Billy's been good with, you know, reminding me at times, you know,

you don't need to stay out after practice and take a bunch of shots. You know, it's when you're playing a lot, it's something to be cognizant of not getting too much practice time where it'll cause fatigue. So that's just been something that I've been aware of. It hasn't really been a huge change because, like I said, I've been trying to work that into my practice time and games, the management of a workload. So it's just been something I've continued to learn with and grow.

Do you have a preference of like gameplay in front of you? Are you a goaltender that prefers maybe a more low event game that you're facing fewer shots, but the more challenging shots? Or are you someone who prefers? Does it help you to be busy with just facing, you know, a high number of shots, even if they're not the best quality? I like a challenge. I like facing the other team's top players,

but I don't really think too much. I've never really thought about that because it's kind of something, you know, I just have to play the game that's in front of me. I can't really wish that I'm going to have a certain game a certain way because it never really pans out as you think. So I like the challenge. I always tell myself that, you know,

I want to face the other team's best players and in their best situation. So that's how I can test myself to see how good I am. So I'm always prepared for that, but I'm not really thinking about what kind of game is going to be. I'm just preparing for any situation that can be difficult for me, and whatever happens happens. Is there a trick to being a good teammate as a goalie?

Because I've seen a lot of the guys you play with hold you in a high regard. there. Is there, is there like, is there some fairy dust that you have that, that, that helps down, because, because honestly, it, it seems like it's, like, the guys gas you up on, on that, on that, on that front a lot. Is there any, you know, how, how does that work when you, when you, when you were kind of separate from, from, from, from the skaters, whether it's in coaching or, or whatever. Is it, is there, is there any, like, tricks there that, that, that you figured out? Um, I mean, I just want to be a good teammate, whether I'm, playing or not, I want to support the team. And I love winning, you know, regardless of if I'm in

net or not, I want to be a part of a winning team. So, you know, that's great to hear that that guys have said that. But yeah, I think maybe maybe that's why. And, you know, in practice, I like to be a part of a challenge. So I'm always battling in drills. I think maybe that could be possibly reason why. but I've also played with great teammates and I've played with a lot of good teams. So I'm fortunate in that regard, but like I said, I just want to do what I can to be a part of a winning team.

The group you guys had in Hershey a couple of, over those years with the caps. At one point it was you and Benichick and Gruber. I mean, you guys are, it's a pipeline for starting goaltenders. If you look at like whatever, the Hershey Bears in 2015 or 16 are there. Are those guys you keep in touch with?

Or how do you look back on those groups that you were with a few years back? Yeah, I've been very fortunate in my whole career. I've played with a lot of really good goalies. My first year with Gruby and then I was with Bennington, Huso in Chicago. I've been with Vanekek for quite a while in Hershey. Foucalli and Hershey was another great goalie. So I've been really fortunate with my goalie partners. I've been able to learn a lot from them.

and I feel like I've always had a great relationship with them. So that's something that's definitely helped me in my career, just kind of learning from those guys, working with those guys. But yeah, I think it also speaks, the guys in Hershey are speaks to the goalie coaches there, Alex Wesleyan. He's now with Detroit, but he was in Hershey for quite a while. Working with him, that helped me a lot. And I think it helped those guys too.

And also Scotty Murray, who's with the Capitals. He was with me and my first year in Hershey. sheep and then up in Washington as well. And he was another guy who was really big for me helping develop my game. But I think also as you can see, those other guys obviously benefited from them as well. So I think, you know, it speaks to the goal of coaches. And then when I was in Chicago, we had Ty Conn there who was helping Bennington and Hussaud and myself.

So that was, I think it just kind of speaks to the coaching. And then, you know, we were all pushing each other trying during ice time. So all of those guys and myself, I think, just pushing each other and the coaching helped us have more success. Do you ever get asked for like a scouting report on goalies that you've played with before? Say you're going up against someone like Husser or Bittington who, you know, you know well. Do your teammates ever ask for some tips on how to beat them? Not so much in the NHL. I feel like they do a pretty good job of pre-scouting at the NHL level.

sometimes in the American League, like if we're playing against someone I've played with or, or I know, then I'll get some questions, like, where can I shoot? You know, what's his weakness? But, yeah, they do a pretty good job at the NHL level, like, giving out a good pre-scout on all the other players. So you just signed the contract extension. You signed for one year in a million five through next season. Why was this the right time for that? Was it just a matter of being comfortable and when to build off it?

Or, like, is there, was there any particular, is there anything to read into with the timing there? I mean, not really necessarily the timing. I think, you know, they came to me with an offer. I was very happy because it's a great organization. Like I said, they want to win. They're doing the right things. You know, I knew right away I wanted to be here. So it was just a matter of working through that.

And I was happy to resign here. And I'm happy to be a part of what's going on here. I want to be a part and play my part in the process that's going on here. So I'm excited. The timing wasn't really not much to read into. I don't think. It's just kind of what had happened. So is being in L.A. helped with athletes apothecary and all with the tea and hydration business?

Is there ever been any uptick there since you've taken over? Yeah. I mean, we started that about a year and a half ago. Athletes Apothecary is the company that my fiance and I started about a year and a half ago. But it's just been kind of steadily growing. We had more interest. And we mostly do teas. We have a couple super food blends as well.

But yeah, I've had teammates in Hershey that are still using it that I really like it. And then some guys here, I've tried it and like it. I've tried not to really push on guys too much because it's something that I think, you know, if you're into teas and that kind of thing, it's awesome. When we were in Pennsylvania, my fiance and I were going to farmers markets and kind of make our tea blends from ingredients for getting there. And I started to realize that it was pretty beneficial. It was helping me with my sleep.

It was helping me stay hydrated. So we started to do some research on different herbs and fruits and spices that you can mix into teas and the effect they'll have as far as recovery and hydration and sleep. And so, yeah, we're like, well, this is kind of cool. probably help a lot more people with this. So we decided to make a company and we got in touch with the nutritionist and helped us finalize more of the blends and

make them more of what we were looking for. And yeah, so that's up and going and it's been good. Definitely, I guess L.A. is probably a good spot, but as far as that goes, but for me it's just kind of, it's kind of like a hobby thing and my fiance runs it

on the day to day during the season. But yeah, if you're interested in that kind of stuff, athletes, apothecary.com. We have some pretty good T-Belands if you're interested in that. That's great. Yeah, I was reading up on it. Hydration, recovery.

Those are all the sorts of things you need when you're a starting goaltender in February in the NHL season. Right? Thanks for the time, man. Good luck the rest of the way out and we'll catch up with you down the road. Sounds good. Thank you guys. I appreciate it.

I'm officially a Phoenix Copley fan. Before I wanted them to add somebody at a running mate for them, just turned over the net to him. Let him roll. Why not? That would be kind of fun. Like the end of an era of, you know, Jonathan Quick, and now you have, it's Copley's reign.

Alaskan goalies out here thriving. The Melka Corpusalo. You guys stay home. This is Phoenix's net. We'll be right back with the third segment and our look at the updated trade board on the athletics, NHL side. This is typically the only good segment on the show.

The way it works usually is Craig and I go into the comments section and pick off fun things or useful things or nasty things that you folks say about us. Craig isn't here, though. So all the segments are good, including this one. It's inaccurate to say, so we're taking a different route. Trade deadline week, we're three days out. Like I said earlier, we have a new trade board on this site. It's time to, we'll start at the top, we'll go down, we'll pick out some names. they won't focus on Patrick Kane all that much

because we know at some point maybe after business closes today maybe it's going to happen I don't know okay well you know whatever let's just let's start with number one we got Miss Rangers on the show where are you at with the with the cane to New York stuff has anything changed for you over the last couple days

I okay if I'm the Rangers and I judge things on vibes alone I do wonder if it's like a bad omen like there's a fenceman or falling over like please don't please don't do this Ryan Lingren's her Candleman might be suspended like Braden Schneider looking just completely lost on the bench a couple days ago Ryan Carpenter out there for 13 seconds just to go from the penalty box

back to the bench like I don't know I see why they're doing it and if it's for a low enough price it makes sense and they're trying to just like go balls to the wall this year and why not they need right wingers is their defense going to be good? No It's already kind of struggling and it's going to be bad. So that's, it's a decision. But if you can score a bunch of goals and have to start in a night, you can like go with that kind of vibe.

But I just, I just look at this and I'm like, maybe someone's trying to tell you something. Be careful what you ask for. Anytime James Dolan is like behind a move, you really got to go all in on it. That's what I say. James Dolan wants to happen. Great. Let's go. Prima entertainment value.

But yeah, whatever. the cost is going to be, you know, even though Kane isn't what he was and he's having a weird season, they're going to, they're going to acquire him for nickels on the dollar. Yeah. Vladislav. Vladislav Gavrakov, still in Columbus, still presumably pissed off because he hasn't, he didn't land with Boston. We all know what happened there.

Aaron Portsland covered that really well. He, you know, failed attempt to connect for Columbus and Boston. lost on a deal there. Got screwed over by Orlov and Hathaway. Sheena, tell me what Vladislav Gavakov is good at. He's not as, okay. He's not great, but he's not terrible. I think his environment and his role has been the killer for him because I think as the blue jackets, defense has been depleted by like losing Seth Jones and also just being, they're the Columbus broken jackets. They just, everybody's hurt all the time. It puts more strain on his game, but I do think he

is that one-dimensional shutdown defenseman who's very physical. He'll probably be better somewhere else. We see that all the time. Players go to better teams, a better system, more support, their has to do less and it's fine for them. That could be the case here.

But now I do wonder if he's like not going to be that prime overpay candidate. We expect him to be like the venture rod of this year's deadline. But is he like amazing going to throw the needle for a team? Probably not. You've already talked about Jacob Checkering enough. That's situation going. on for years. Matias Ecclone is number four. I think he's a little bit more interesting now and he was a couple days ago because of what we've seen out of Nashville over the last few days, which is

David Poil retiring, Barry Trott's taking over and then pulling off a major heist for Tanner Genoa. You got to wonder, you know, if that signals an appetite to move on from a player who's a little bit more of a foundational piece for them like over the last, over the last however many years. It's interesting. A player who developed so well under Trots, too. Mm-hmm. That's the, see, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I think, I think that's, that's, that's, that's, I think, I think that's, that's, it's, uh, on, on, on, on, on, on stuff like this. Probably, probably, probably significantly, right?

You're not going to go out and trade a player that Barry Trots, you know, if, if, if, if, he's got to have some amount of overrule power, uh, on, on, on, on stuff like this. Echholm is one of the guys that he's that he has a lot of affection for and won a lot of games with. So and there's and there are, there's guys like that on the roster still at the top of it. So that'll be interesting. We'll, we'll see how Barry Trots approaches, you know, a rebuild job in Nashville that involves players who helped win him games when he was, when he was the coach of that team. That's interesting. Yeah. After Poyle, uh, didn't step back at all the last couple of, like that's, it sucks for Trots though.

Like, yeah, it's brutal. shit you're going to be left with of my mess that I elongated instead of doing something proactive years ago. And he could have looked at him and been like, well, I know I'm retiring, so I want to go for it every year. But like, that sucks for trots. That was the only reason that we knew that wherever Barry ended up, he was going to have some degree of say in player personnel. We talked about that with him in January, Craig and I did. The question for me, as far as a reunion with Nashville was concerned was like his was Boyle ever actually retire because like it he this this should have been in the works for a while given you know the they're the last couple years for them

has been trying to just ring ring the juice out of the rag right like there's just not there's not there's not it's the it's the it's the way it goes right so how can you see sorrows save us in the second half of the season and this year he's saving them the whole first half and it's not enough like what are you going to do like oh my god Philip Forsberg, please, please sign with us. Please sign with us. Please resign with us. That's what the entire, that's what the entire last, you know,

calendar year felt like for them. So here we are. It'll be interesting to see if they, if they go fully into rebuild mode because I'm not sure that's, you know, that's, we know that's, we know that's on the table less for markets like Nashville and Tampa and in Carolina, right? because A, they're successful to begin with, but B, you don't, you don't want to go three or four or five years in a market like that without, without having a competitive team. Yeah. And they have, like, if you look at it too, like they're in an interesting position because they have a core piece at each position.

They have Phil Forrestberg. He's on a good contract. They have Roman Yossi on a good contract. They have UC Saros. Like, do you, if you're rebuilding, you have no reason to keep any of them because by the time you're good, they're not going to be what you want them to be. but they're your core piece at each position. I feel like when we look at rebuilding teams, it's like their defense is,

you look at St. Louis, their defense, absolute dog shit. There's nothing redeemable about it at this point that you're like, you need to do something or look at the Rangers when they rebuilt. Like they had amazing goaltending. That's it. Now National's like,

but we have one thing at each position to be our like foundational piece. But can you turn it around that quick when you don't have as many pieces to move out like St. Louis just did? Like that's the challenge. You're going to have to move players with term. and you might have to use a young player like Fabro, which I don't think you want to do, but you might have to.

Yep. In a perfect world, they would just trade all those guys, honestly. They would hit the button and trade anything that wasn't nailed down, including Soros and including U.S. I don't think that's an option for them.

No. But we shall see. Can James Van Riems like bring anything to the middle six of a half decent team in 2023? Yes. He's a lot. He's number five on the board. He's a lot better.

than his, it's another player that we're going to be like, well, the environment, well, this. He is still a good net front presence. He's still good at generating shots. He's still good in the quality areas. He can be a net front role, even if not on PowerPlay 1 on a contender, because we assume that they're pretty deep. Powerplay, too. Like, there's value for him here for sure. And like Winnipeg made sense and now they're kind of out of it. There are definite teams that could use more scoring. So yes, but the contract is huge and there's going to be a lot of salary retention to make that work for most teams. year left at $7 million as the hit. The flyers alone can get that down to $3.5 million. James Van Riems-Zeck as a rental of $3.5 million is very, very interesting. And I think there are teams out there that haven't yet made a move or maybe whiffed on

Meyer that would be wise to take a look at him. Nick Schmaltz is like the is the big riser here because I don't think people, I mean, that was news of the last week was that. his name had kind of been kicked around maybe maybe with carolina you know whatever what what kind of players nick schmaltz and you know should should a team is he worth packaging up a bunch of assets for on February 28th versus the summer i think that's the question with nick smoltz is he is he a trade deadline acquisition or is he an offseason acquisition it's going to be interesting to see yeah that's a good question to ask because it's not like

the difference of one or two playoff rounds. Like he's going to, he's signed long term. And if you're Arizona, like, your core players are not your core players. They're trade pieces. Everybody's a trade piece. But if you move Schmaltz, you should move Keller too. Just keep tearing it down and figure out what the hell you're doing because clearly nobody knows, including you.

Like, he's a good player. He can play a wing. He can play center. We like versatility and contenders we see absolutely love to have that versatility. You can mix and match your lines any way you want. You look at like St. Louis last year, they were like the perfect example of you could have a million centers and look how many different variations of your lines you can do. But he is very much a complimentary piece.

He's not your number one play driver. He is not your elite talent, but he's a very good complimentary piece. You just have to deal with the contract and everything. And I don't see Arizona wanting to retain a ton of salary on it, right? Like, they don't want that problem, even though they, as it stands, next year are set to be $15 million below the cap floor, I believe. and that's before moving chick green schmalt or anyone else. So that's a weird one. Seven's John Clintberg. We've talked about him enough.

A is Luke Shen. We've talked about him enough. Max, see, this is where the trades of the last couple weeks really start to make their presence felt. You have Max Domey at 9. Not a great situation. Brock Besser,

Nick Bukestead, Adam Henrique, even though he's hurt. Carson Sussie. is he he's a player who you have some you you have you have thoughts on Carson Suissee right I've seen you right I've seen you write about him and I think given his profile and where he plays in really his career up to this point I don't think I don't think a lot of people out there have like firm ideas on what kind of player he is what kind of stuff he brings to the game and

you know he's you know again 13th on on the trade board after not being ranked so what What kind of players, Carson Suzy? Tell us something there. Yeah, he's a good player. And I think that he's someone that can add a little bit of like puck movement from the blue line. And it feels like in Seattle, he kind of lost that chance because Vince Dunn's thriving and they brought in Justin Schultz. And that obviously hurts his chances of quarterbacking a power play unit or something like that. Like, I feel like on a contender, he would be good on, you know, a bottom four. He'd be good on power play too. Why not?

He's not in his 30s. He's not at the down swing of his career. Like, he's in a good position right now. And he doesn't have a ton of NHL wearing. tear on him either that I think team should like. He's probably not exhausted before the playoffs even start. I would be tired. If I was in NHL that's playing like Gaborkov's minutes at this point, I would just be exhausted. Like once you block a shot, I'm laying there. I'm not getting up. Susie, you might not have that problem. That's great. All right. So we're, let's just, we got a couple

minutes left before we really start to go along here. I'm going to go down the board. when I come to a player that you want to say something about just just hit me with it we can we we can skip most of these guys Kevin Hayes yeah oh I'll I'll speak up here 14 Kevin Hayes still in John Tortorale's doghouse maybe and still makes a gazillion dollars tough tough call there you at like

Kevin Hayes has to have money retained by a second team for me to even consider it, right? Yeah, you have to. That is, uh, that's a huge contract. And I like him as a player. I think, I mean, we knew it was an overpayment at the time, though. He was never going to be that, that caliber player that he got paid to be. So that's a fun.

You, you had a good year and we have money to spend contract. Yeah. Lars Eller should get the capital of something. You know, he's, he's hit, hit the skids over the last couple years because he's 33 with, you know, city miles on him because the dude plays hard and he's played for a long time, but wins faceoffs, he can kill penalties, he's expiring contract, he's big, you want a cup, like whatever. He's, um, he's a guy who, you know, could easily see some team throw a third round pick at the, at the caps who needs some center depth, uh, for the stretch run there,

but he's, but he, but he's boring. It's Lars Heller, you know, he's competent and fine and whatever, but, you know, is he, is, is he, uh, is, is he worth getting excited over? I don't think so. Gostis Bear Where is Shane Gostisbeer at in the year of our Lord 2023? Because I feel like he's been out of sight out of mind for a lot of people in Arizona over the last couple years. Is he worth acquiring for a playoff caliber team? What would he bring to like the, I know everyone's connecting the oilers with him, but what does he bring to a good team? Not just the coyotes where he's racking up points

because someone has to score them, right? Even the worst teams have to score goals. true for Sam. It was true for Sam Lafferty, whatever. Like, everybody needs... They have to score goals. They can be bottom. I guess that's... That is true. You can just go zero, zero, zeros across the board. Can't why not?

I don't know, man. I watch Rico Fada scored 20 goals for the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2003. Someone's got to do it. But Gosses-is-Pair, what's to like about him at this point in his career? He's a player that more team should have been willing to take a risk on when he hit waivers, but everyone saw him fall out of favor with the flyers. It's this like group think among general managers. Like if you don't like him and you think he's bad and you don't want to have him, why would we want to have him?

Philadelphia knows him better than anybody else. Yep. And they didn't want to have him around. So how good can he be? Yeah, exactly. He's good. And I think Arizona is a tough team to be good on. You can easily fall behind and you have no support and the team sucks and you're just going to suck back there with them.

And instead he's actually been proactive. I don't know. He's a good player to have. Like, you look at the, everybody wants defense. Everyone wants depth on their blue line. Then go for someone like this. This is, I think, how you keep up. Pete, I think he has like the ability to keep pace with some of the best teams. And the best teams outside of the Bruins, do you look at it and go, they're big and bad? You're, you know, you still have the big bad Bruins, even though they're a lot more offensive and, you know, speedy than they were in years past. But like, this is, this is what you need. You look at the past champions. Their cores were very good. They were very fast teams. Like,

you need someone who can keep up with that and not just keep up with it by throwing their bodies across the ice and hoping they stop a puck. Four and a half million dollars expiring deal. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Nick Jensen, solid player has been, has been for years now, I feel like. There's a few years where he's been an underrated, kind of undervalued contributor as a middle. middle third pair defenseman, right? Yeah. We like him.

Right-handed. Everyone loves a right-handed defenseman. Mm-hmm. Why not? Connor Sherry, Depth Ford, who can score some goals. Matt Dunba, he's just, he's going to be on the tradeboard for forever. He's been there for five years, I feel like. Joel Edmondson, we know, you know, if he's, if he could have kept it together physically

over the last month or so, he would have brought Montreal something nice, but he's got one more year and he's really banged up. it'll be interesting to see what, if anything happens with him. Talked about Dante Fabro a little bit before. Cam Talbot is the top-ranked goalie on our trade board at 22. That is interesting to me because I don't know if given the choice of some of the names that we've seen, we know Columbus is desperately trying to say, maybe not desperately, but they want to move Jonas Corpusalo, right? He's been good.

We know that Arizona could be in discussions about Femilca, whatever. Cam Talbot as the top calling the board is interesting to me. What do you think? Yeah. Cam Tal was a really interesting one because I think we've gotten a good sample of him on two totally different teams. You could look at what he did in Minnesota last year and that was on one of the best defensive teams and it was his worst year yet with them. And you look at him in Ottawa, now you have one of the worst defensive teams that it faces a high volume of shots against, high volume of quality chances against. And he hasn't been as good there either.

I think we've seen his game decline unfortunately in recent years. So that's a tough one. But the one thing that I wonder if playoffs teams would like about him is that he's moved at the deadline before. So we know, and we talked about this with Copley, really tough to adjust midseason to a new team, only so much you can do, even less time to do it at the deadline, especially if you're backup. How many times are actually going to get in action between the deadline and season's end? So, like, I get the concern and why teams are struggling to figure out what to do with their goaltending. and Talbot's been there before. He's been in that position.

So maybe that's the saving grace. But at this point, if I'm a team that wants a goaltender, maybe I look at Reimer, who's been performing better behind a bad team. And I definitely am looking at the Melka, who is one of the best this year at managing TAS in front of him. Totally. Corpus Sala, too. 9-13, save percentage 16th in the league in goal,

saved above expected. 28 years old, $1.5 million contract expiring after the season. He would be an option too. And he is actually 25th on the, on the trade board. So he does get some love from our, from our guys there. The last two non-corpa-salo names here are Dmitri Kulikov and Jordan Greenway, which are, you know, uh, those guys, those, they hit people, right? Coolikov's, Kulikov's physical, Greenway's, greenway's huge and physical, but, you know, those are, those are niche players who, you know, maybe move and maybe not.

Those are the guys who are going to be right. That's going to be like the flurry of trades that hits at 258 or whatever on Friday where we're try to dredge up opinions about Dimitri Kulok. I'm going to try and six-round pick or whatever. I don't care. Yeah, we've seen him move at the deadline before. We'll just recycle from the past. Greenway is the interesting one because he is younger.

And maybe he has upside that a lot. But like, not for nothing. And this, I don't mean to be super insulting towards him. Jordan, I know you're listening. I apologize. Big fan during Greenway. Big fan. You know, he is, he was the weakest member of their amazing line.

Felino is so good and he has more offensive upside. Plus, absolutely elite defensively and he's physical. Eric Seneck is a pain in the ass to play against, really hard-nosed, absolutely, you know, elite defensively. And he's really good offensively. And he has the scoring touch too. Like he's put it all together in the right way. Greenway is the one that kind of like lads behind that.

So if you're thinking, well, we want to have a line like the wild did, sure, but you're picking. Go out and get the other two guys to go, basically. Which you're not going to get. So find your own. That's the thing. Like with Tampa we talk about like Coleman Goudreau, it's find your own. Find your own version of that. Don't overpay for the version that's already in there.

No, overpay for someone else's depth. That's the big lesson here. That's the thing that's the thing that we've learned. Go for Taylor Radish instead for cheap. Go for someone like that. Greenway, that would be selling low on him. I feel like two goals for assist this season, two years left, to three million.

But he's got the size and he's got the physical profile where it's like, it kind of works both ways. You're like maybe some team falls in love with it and is willing to pay for him in accordance with the guy who he was, you know, last season. But man, I don't know. Yeah. If the wild is all low enough.

Which maybe if they need cap. Well, they don't, they have cap this year. That's the thing. They have the cap space this year to do whatever they want. They don't have to sell anyone this year. It's the long-term stuff. But like, they need a center. They really need a center.

I don't see him bringing back a center unless it's him plus something, maybe a high pick. I don't know. Let's do it. Whenever. Sure. To make a trade. They really needed Marco Rossi to level up.

They really needed to give Marco Rossi to level up. They really needed to give Marco Rossi. us see a chance to level up though. Here we go. Spicy. I like it. Jana, thank you for being here. This was fun. Thanks for having me on here. Before we go, AEW Revolution thoughts.

I just feel like they need to work on the pacing of a pay-per-view. This is like my biggest gripe with them. I think WW underwhelms me with the pace. In the AW is just like shouting wrestling matches at you for like six hours straight and you can't breathe. But I'm a broken record. I'd like to see another women's match. I would like to see Tony Storm in a women's match. Maybe Tony versus Britt. Like that's how I think you sell me on it. Because I like some of the other matches that they have. And, you know, I'm solidly excited. But I just need,

I need the women to not be the afterthought. Like you see a poster every dynamite. And it's like, here's all the men. And then the women are in the corner. And it's like, here's nine minutes with two picture and pictures of a women's match. Let's take a percentage chance that MJF loses the, lose the Brian Danielson in the main event there. Absolutely none. None. Zero.

Is it literal? Mathematical zero. Mathematical zero. This is his reign of terror and we love it for him. And it's nice to see him get in a big match because I think you could argue pet, like Kenny Omega had banger after banger. And that was amazing for him. Hangman, I think people might be upset at the number of matches,

but the matches he did were such high quality. We love Hangman Page in this house. house. He's like my, he's my favorite. He's, he's, he's fun. Jim and Kenny are my favorite. He's like former, former journalism professor, I think, or something. He was, he was some kind of comms guy in a past life, man. He's wonderful. He's totally wonderful, but we, we support Hangman Page on this podcast, and we support chaotic moves at the NHL trade deadline. So we'll see what happens over the next few days. Exactly. Gina, thank you. Tomorrow, Rob Pizzo, Michael Russo, and Jesse Granger, well,

Welcome, Devils GM, Tom Fitzgerald of the Wednesday roundtable. That's going to be interesting. Big couple days for Tom. Also, on Friday, Ian Mendez and Haley Salby and host a live and interactive trade deadline recap show starting at 2.30 p.m. on the athletic hockey show YouTube channel and Facebook and Twitter. Also, I think I'm going to get roped into doing something there. That might not be a way to sell it. So just whatever.

Focus on Ian and Haley. We'll do a great job. Also, the Tuesday Boys return next week. Hasake Tuesday Boys 3Zs. me and Craig are going to be back. Pierre LeBron is going to join us for a wrap of the 2023 NHL trade deadline. This is going to be the third year in a row.

I think we've done this. And Pierre is always in rare form on those. Totally worth it. In honor of Craig, happy new year. I'm on myself. Bye. Have a good week. Enjoy the deadline.

We'll talk to you a few days.