The Athletic Hockey Show - Jack Campbell joins the show, Flyers’ Ryan Ellis likely out for the season, Trevor Zegras contract talks on hold in Anaheim

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

The new Friday show with Hailey Salvian and Sean Gentille kicks off talking training camp and what it's like to cover as a writer, before diving into the news of Ryan Ellis being expected to miss the season for the Flyers. Also, Ducks GM Pat Verbeek says a new contract for Trevor Zegras will wait until the offseason, and Jakob Chychrun still awaits a trade out of Arizona.Then, goalie Jack Campbell joins the show to discuss becoming a member of the Edmonton Oilers and looking ahead to participating in the Battle of Alberta, and obviously, Red Lobster.Save on a subscription to The Athletic: theathletic.com/hockeyshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a new episode, the first episode, of a new show, on the Athletic Hockey Show. We're recording this on Thursday evening, but it's being posted very early on Friday morning. Are we the Thursday night show, or are we the Friday show? I think you're already revealing too much about our production schedule here. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, appreciate that.

That's a bad start. How about the Friday show? There we go. The Friday show. Danielle. Thanks Danielle. Producer Daniel. So this is a new show.

My name's Haley Salve and with Sean Gentile. Our producer is Danielle Lehman. As you just heard, the Thri-Day show. That's it. It's very special. It's very new. Thank you for joining us, everybody. You're like, you're kind of using a radio voice here.

No, I'm not. Yeah. It's a little bit different. This is like, you know, fan 590 fill-in morning show host, Haley Salvin. I will never do that again. Whereas I'm a former. I'm Sean. I'm coming to you live from my bedroom.

This is past. Where I don't put the drawers away when I'm talking to Don Granato. Donnie meatballs. It's blurt out. You're just so relatable and fun and a cool. I'm sorry. Past, present and future Craig Custin's sidekick, Sean Tintilly. That's my, that's what it says. That's what it says on my resume. I've gotten jobs that way. Yeah. Hi, I know Craig Custin's. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was on ESPN. Really nice dude from Michigan. I was doing some prep work when I was in Denmark for the Women's World Championships.

And I was trying to find something out about the 2017, I believe it. It was 20, no, it was probably 2019, not 2017. Something about the new USA hockey contracts because they were negotiating a new one and they still are at this point. And I was on something about ESPN.ta. I'm reading something and all of a sudden I hear Craig Custin start talking in my hotel room in Denmark. And it was like a pop-up video from when Craig worked at ESPN.

ESPN. Talking about it on ESPN. And I was like, this is really weird. It just freaked me out. alone in this little like best western in in denmark and herning denmark that's like my worst somewhere i've had nightmares about that as someone who's been professionally joined at the hip basically with craig outside of like a couple years at ESPN like from the start right like i'm 36 i've been i worked with craig since i was for 10 out of 14 professional years it's like that is that is

nightmare stuff imagining his voice like pop pop up in a hotel room out of nowhere how is he watching everything get away get away from me Craig no outside of like outside of like my parents and possibly my sister I think I've spent more time on the phone with Craig than anybody on anybody on the planet so that's like yeah that's a good that's a major you know did he did he tap the wall situation We love that. You know what? That's actually what the format of this show should be.

We can just sit here for 45 minutes or so every week and talk about Craig. His likes, his dislikes. Isn't that what you do on Tuesdays? You just talk about Craig and Craig talks about himself. No, we talk about me on Tuesdays. Anyways, thanks everyone for listening. This is a new show with the athletic hockey show that we have. It's going to be out every Friday.

The aim is to have them posted on Friday mornings because there is the prospect series that comes out on Fridays when Corey Promin and Max Boltman are doing it. Corey Pranman makes his own schedule. He does what he wants. They have a show whenever. They had a show one day on a Monday. It's like that's fine. Corey Pranman has the keys to whatever he wants to do. But we are going to be every Friday you can bank that.

Corey's lucky that Max is his partner. He's the most like agreeable dude on the planet. So it's like whenever Corey wants to talk about, you know, whatever, the 75th best prospect in the 2027 draft. Yeah. Ring up Maxie. Let's roll. Yeah. It's totally fine.

He needs that flexibility. We should have them on at some point because the Red Wings are always going to be interesting. So we'll have Max Bolman on. I'm sure you'll have them on on Tuesdays as well. So it'll be a new fight. But thanks everyone for joining us. Again, this is our new show. Salvean, Sean Gentile

on Fridays. It's a classic. Wait a second. That was also like a classic Mendezer reset. He's rubbed off on you. You're doing like radio pro shit. This is amazing. No, I'm not.

Uh-huh. No, I'm not. Haley Salvin. You're just used to listening to me be Ian's little sidekick who just like chimes in every once in a while. It's more that I'm used to having like a stream of consciousness, like formless podcast with Craig. No, you're used to just putting.

Craig off and talking about nonsense. What can I say? And cutting off, you know. Training camps, training camps are open, everybody. It got some interesting injuries around the league. Let's go. Why are you making fun of me? I'm not.

Yeah, you are. That's not what I was saying. I'm saying training camps are open. And there's a lot of injuries and we should talk about them because there's there are a lot of injuries. But I was first going to just say, What is this time of year like for you, Sean? Obviously, you're a national writer now.

So you're not necessarily in terms of the day-to-day. You're not going down to Penguin's practice to try to tweet out who's on the fourth line from group two. But what's it like for you? Because you've got all the previews going on. You had the player tiers. You did the emo list. And didn't include. I've actually got a bonus pick with you.

I'm not going to like whatever you say here. You didn't include any Avrilavine. Yeah. Or any simple plan. This is, you were doing this to bother me. There was no Marianna's trench. I don't even know what that is. That's Canadian radio.

There was no Canadian pop punk early to mid-2000s. Yeah. You know, when I look at my emo face when I was in sixth grade. Stop, stop it. Stop it. I don't. My culture is not your costume. I don't appreciate this.

Yeah, that's right. Let's talk about injuries. No, I'm asking you what this kind of year, what is going on? Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. I had time off, which was nice. That like kind of wasn't in the cards for me the last few years because, um, even when I was covering the pen.

Maybe you just yelled at me. I don't, whatever. That's fine. People are, people need to understand the dynamic here. When I was writing about the penguins more specifically, I was also doing like all Pittsburgh sports. So I had to deal with the Steelers and I had to deal with the pirates, unfortunately. So like summers didn't really exist. The idea of being like, all right, I'm not going to do that much in August, was sort of foreign because that's like football season.

Right. You're talking about training camp and whatever else. So I didn't do much for a few weeks ahead of like really. the second week in September. But man, it's, it's, it's season preview, season, season, SCN, which is the very annoying title of Don's little spreadsheet document that he, that he set up, you know, divide up all these, all these different sections we're writing for all 32 teams. That's like the big project for this month for me is, you know, we have,

the projected standings from Dom's model, and then we kind of use those as a framework and just sort of work within that, right? And talk about individual players and cores and sort of make our way through it. But so I'm in hell with that right now. We have two running. Yeah, we have two running every day,

including on the weekends, which I was unaware of until three days ago. And we're just sort of plowing through them. So I'm like, today we ran, I believe, the ducks and the sharks. They're 26 and 25 maybe. And we're just kind of going through that two a day until the first week. First week in October.

So it's busy. I don't have to go to, like you said, Penguins Camp and talk about, you know, how Nathan Lagare looks or whatever else, which is fine. But I'm also locked into writing stuff about the Winnipeg Jets support players and whatever else. So it's busy, you know, this is crunch time because, hockey's back officially, like in a real way. We have like normal training camps. Isn't that funny?

It is. It's, I've almost felt like a rookie the entire time I've covered this league because of COVID and stuff. Like my first year in Ottawa was normal for the first three quarters and then it got canceled. And then I had two COVID seasons. And now I feel like I'm going back to my first ever training camp again. Well, yeah.

And you're not. It was just so weird. And you're also not in Calgary. So like any sort of like built up comfort you had or, you know, routine that you had around covering the flames. Like that's out that's out the door. It's a whole new group of players to deal with and a whole new routine. And that's, I mean, this is all, you know,

this is sort of inside baseball stuff. But it is. It's like it's a painly ass to like figure out, you know, the best route to the practice rink and like what time you need to leave. leave and the workflows during camp days versus game days. I mean, it is. It's time to start figuring that out.

And for us, I think, for people with jobs like ours, that's sort of like the signal that we're back to work. Is when you start figuring out those kind of like rhythms of the day and the workflow stuff. So that's kind of around that, even though I'm sitting there complaining about having to write about the sharks or whatever else. It's a good, I'm busy.

and I'm happy about it because, you know, busy in a way that we haven't been, I think, for the last few years, right? Our last few seasons, eliz. This is also a weird time of year because you don't want to police how people enjoy training camp in the preseason. But there's also just so much wild stuff that goes on.

It's like you need to figure out when to give fans what they want and when to pump the brakes on something. Yeah. And I don't want to. Like the one thing I saw today was, you know, Harmon, one of our Canucks writers talking about how great Elias Pedersen looked at training camp. And, you know, that was one of the big takeaways. He looked really, really, really good. And I look at stuff like that.

And I know that he had a really difficult start to the season. I mean, he wasn't even there to start a camp last year. So that's obviously a really nice change because if the Canucks can get second half season, Elias Patterson, like under Bruce Boudreau, Elias Pedersen, they're going to have a much better start. and they'll probably have a better season. But it's stuff like that that I read him like, okay, shouldn't he be having a good start to camp? It's one of your best players.

Like, how good are we talking here? Do we need to pump the brakes? Are we, like, it's just so easy to read too far into stuff at this point in time. It's on, yeah, I think it's tough because I think you kind of, I think you nailed it as like, oh, you want people to be excited. Because if people don't care about this stuff, we don't have, we don't have jobs.

We don't have jobs. So, but in, and it's cool, I think you see it in other, it, that is like a cross sport thing, right? It doesn't matter whether you're talking about football or hoops or baseball or whatever. We're in like best shape of his life season, right? That's always, that's always line you here. There's always guys who come to camp and it's like such and such. They're feeling good. Never felt better.

I made some, I made some changes to my, to my, to my training schedule in the off season. I'm feeling really good about it. I tweak my diets and what. to my diet and whatever. And that's just the sort of, that's where we are in the life cycle, I think, of the season, right? Is we're talking to guys about their off season.

And nobody ever comes in, this is why it's funny. It's like nobody ever comes in to training camp or practice or the start of the season and is like, man, I feel like shit. I feel terrible. Right. God forbid anyone actually says anything funny or honest.

Yeah, I slacked off. I slacked off during the summer. Like me and my, me and my girlfriend had 12 days in Aruba. I ate whatever I wanted. I've been back for six days. I'm not ready yet. No one ever, no one ever, no one ever says that stuff. Everyone's always bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and well-rested and ready to go.

Until somebody offered me a million dollars. And I said, okay. All right. Phil might have said that, actually. I think there's a chance of Phil. I would love that. We love Phil. But yeah, that's always interesting. I feel like conversely, or I guess similarly, like I come in

after summer, it's relaxing, you know, you're able to go to the gym and make dinner more regularly, do nice things, have work-life balance. I feel like I'm thriving right now. And then the season starts and I sit down to do the podcast and realize I haven't had any water today. Yeah, that's it. You know, oh, I had a bowl of Cheerios at 3 p.m. when I got back from the rink, you know. Oh, no, this is where it all starts to go downhill for me. Alex Kerf is... As a human being. Alex Kerfitt isn't going to talk to himself.

Like, someone needs to ask them questions. That's right. But yeah, it is funny. It is funny because it's like there's... I mean, we're seeing this, right? Like camps are opening everywhere. And we're having those like kind of obligatory discussions with guys where it's like, tell us about your off season and blah, blah, blah, blah.

What did you do? How do you feel? But mixed in with all that stuff, mixed in with all the... I've never thought. better. I'm in the best shape of my life. Mixed up in there is actual usable, relevant information coming out of some of these teams, right? And we saw that today. Yeah, there's been some big takeaways. Again, it's still early, but there have been some pretty big takeaways at the start of camp. I don't know if I saw anything more interesting

and consequential out there more so than the Philadelphia Flyers and what we kind of saw parsing through Charlie O'Connor, our Flyers writer, and his social media accounts today. So Ryan Ellis, who joined the team, I guess a year, two years ago now. It was before last season. Right. So I guess it was just one year. So he played like six games looked great. I don't have that right in front of me.

I think he had a couple games of the Flyers. Everyone can see like, yeah, this guy's really good. And then he's out for the entire season. And there was this really weird gray area for the whole year where people didn't really know what was going on with Ryan Ellis. Like, is he going to play? What's the status? What's the injury?

Is he ever going to talk? He wasn't even at the rink for a while. And now we hear today that his injury is going to keep him out for the season. And I don't know if this was irresponsible messaging or if this is actually the reality of his situation. so I want to be careful with that, but I did see some headlines that it could be potentially career ending. So that's a massive blow for Ryan Ellis,

the person, the hockey player, and the Flyers, because this is a, that was a really important piece of, of any chance they had to be competitive. Yeah. Right.

Like, you don't want, it's never good to see guys careers potentially end. Which is, that's, seems like that's what we're dealing with. This is the second thing in a row where there's been like, kind of,

well, They can't explain fully what's going on. Yeah, that's probably. And they haven't been able to do that for months, and there was some, like, allusion to it on Wednesday. And now we're on Thursday. And Chuck Fletcher called it, he had called it multifaceted, a multifaceted core injury.

And now there's a hip component. This is, this is Fletcher talking. There's hip component. There's an adductor component. And he doesn't know if he's going to be. going to have surgery, but here's the other thing. Have you ever, have you ever seen that word before? Soas? Is that how I use? Am I pronounced? It's a muscle. Is it like a, is it a silent pee? It's in your, it's in like your, I think it's a, oh God, I don't know.

I thought it was a soas muscle. Okay. Am I pronouncing that poorly? Probably, that's like, pronounced like psorias is basically. There's a silent pee at the front of it. Yeah. That's in the, it's like the kind of. It's at the, it's at the top of your ass. It's like, I'm, but I'm pretty sure that has something to do with back pain. Yeah. It's like a sciatica. So he's got stuff in his back. He's got stuff in his hip.

And his hip. I thought it was a core problem at one point, too. I mean, that kind of, man. That kind of is. Like there's abdominal stuff going on. And we learned today that he's, you know, that he's. Out and definitely, no timetable. Yeah.

In all likelihood, you get to miss. Yeah. If he plays, it'll be a bonus. And this is a day or two after we find out that Sean Couturier has re-injured his back, which you know, you always love seeing serious back injuries from 29-year-old players who are about to start eight-year mega-contract extensions. You feel terrible for Couturee, but he heard it lifting weights, right? Right.

All these reasons that we thought the Flyers were maybe going to be, well, I shouldn't say we. All these reasons the Flyers thought that maybe they were going to play relevant hockey and that they were going to, you know, write the ship, the two biggest, if you came up with like a list of reasons that, you know, reasons for Chuck Fletcher to be, you know, whatever, way, way, way overly optimistic to the point of delusion. Number one and number two were like, yeah, we're getting Sean Cotrera back. and maybe maybe we're getting Ryan Ellis back.

You get a one C back and you get and you're getting a top pair right shot defenseman. Yeah, and you got a coach in John Tortorella. Like there's, you know, we always thought, and Charlie O'Connor put this so well, that the Flyers believed they were in a different spot than maybe the masses did. Like the Flyers own opinion of themselves, I think there's a divide between that and what, you know, observers and, you know, hockey writers and such think about the flyers. I think now it's starting to align a little bit more because of all these circumstances. And I don't know at what point do you feel a little bit bad.

I don't want to say I feel bad for Chuck Fletcher. But this is like a massive amount of like unlucky stuff falling in his lap. It's unlucky. And I don't know that some of it, some of it you can say like this is your. fault. You are the architect of this team, but some of it's not. How are you going to know this was going to happen to Ryan Ellis and Sean Gatorier? It was his, it's his fault because he pinned the entire hopes of the organization on a guy coming back from a major back injury and a guy coming back from a hip injury or a core injury or whatever, whatever we're calling it, that they

basically couldn't, it was so complicated that they couldn't even describe it. And that's, and that's, And that's Fletcher's mistake. Like Charlie, I think Charlie has done a, Charlie's done a great job. He's very good at his job. Absolutely. And what he said,

and I think he was like dead on, like nails accurate with this. Is, if you know maybe a little bit less about the flyers, you look at them and you're like, they don't know what they're doing. Like there's no, there's no coherent plan there.

Like, what the hell, right? They're just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing, what sticks. And Charlie, all off season long has been like, no, there's a plan. Like, you can disagree with it if you want. You can think it's stupid.

And I, like, me personally, in my chair right now, like, of course I think it's dumb. I thought it was dumb from the start because that team was bad last year. And they were bad for reasons that went beyond not having Sean Kateri and Ryan Ellis around. Yeah, or Twitter L behind the bench. Yeah. And now, and it's like that's, but that's going to be. the solution? Like, if you're not a legitimate contender in the NHL, just tank, tank.

And they're, and even team, like, this is a fan base. You know what? I don't feel bad for Chuck Fletcher. I feel bad for, the fan base. Yeah. Because especially, like, when the Johnny Goddrow, is he going to stay? Is he going to go stuff at its peak in Calgary? Think of all of the people who were just trying to, like, pump up Flyers fans to say,

like, maybe he's going to go home, maybe he's going to go home. Johnny Godreau might leave. You know, it's not going to be easy to get the cap space, but maybe Chuck Fletcher, it's going to be easy. Just dump James Van Riemsdike to Phoenix, Arizona, do this, do that. Get Johnny Yadro. They fail to do that. Flyers fans are understandably upset.

And now it's so, it's unfair because obviously they did not know that this was going to happen with Ryan Ellis. But can you imagine if you knew that that kind of a contract was going to be on LTIR? I mean, yeah, they didn't know. Did they? Like, I don't know. If they knew and they didn't put them on LTIR to do what they could to try to get Johnny Goddrow back in Philadelphia, that's another massive, massive mistake by Philadelphia blacks.

I don't think you can put anything past that group. Anyways, I saw that Charlie said this again. We should have just had Charlie on the show. Yeah. And I could have talked to him about emo music. He would have been a better sport about it than you were. I was just trying to list every kind of like somewhat. moody sounding Canadian pop band.

Anyways. I thought I moved on from the world. We did move on from that. I'm just explaining myself because you yelled at me 10 minutes into our debut show. Anyways, I saw Charlie said something on a podcast and was like, things have just become so absurd with the flyers that you just have to laugh. Like, I don't know if there's a team. I know the flames had a wild off season. and, you know, things got really bad.

And then Brad Tree Living did all this stuff. And they had the upswing. The Ottawa Senators had a big offseason. Stuff happened around the league. But I don't know if there's a team out there that has had just more shit pile up. And stuff happened than Philadelphia from the stuff that they didn't do, from the mistakes that they made, the things that they did. It's just my God. No, like, who really?

Who could have seen this coming? Who could have imagined that, again, the guy with the serious back injury was going to have a another serious back injury and the guy with the magic, you know, confusing serious core injury that kept them out for 76 games or whatever it was, it wasn't going to be ready to roll. Like, of course, this is how it was going to turn out. And everybody who paid any attention to this team could see it coming, except for the dude who makes the decisions on payroll and signing on who to sign

and who to trade and who to bring back. the anger I'm in I'm in Pittsburgh right like I'm not following a ton of Philly

folks on Twitter the anger that you see from Flyers fans towards Fletcher specifically is

high even if you're grading on the curve and saying like it's Philly they're just kind of agro and that's like

and that's their thing like this dude has I didn't I will say I for all this to happen for Coturier and Ellis

have both enough on the shelf again within 24 hours of each other at the very start of training camp I think that's like kind of the unpredictable part like you thought maybe they would make it a little bit farther that there'd be one day or a week or a month where it's like okay let's see how this goes maybe you're not on board with the Fletcher plan

but you're saying like I can see how this could happen like we'll at least let it fail on its own merit and it's already there and they haven't had a real practice yet. It's amazing. In this team, by the way, I will. Yeah, go ahead.

I will say too, and sorry to cut you off, I feel like they're still as bad as that stuff is and as laughable as it is and how, you know, they're not the worst team in the league. And that makes it worse in a way because they're not going to be bad enough that they can, you know, tank for Bidar.

Unless they go and do something, but they still have, like, Kevin Hayes, you went and made that DeAngelo movie of Proveroff, Sanheim, Atkinson, Kahnckinson, Kineckney, Lawton, Carter Hart's a fine goalie. Like, these aren't great names. Like, you're not sitting at home being like,

yeah, yeah, Travis Kineckney. But there's a little bit of a sprinkle of enough there that they're not, like, maybe something goes wrong. And they tank out and things are bad. But you also have a coach, trying to change the culture and make people more accountable and make them competitive. Like this team is despite all of the crap that is happening right now and how bad they

are going to be and the opportunity to just blow it up and start from scratch, I think they're going to be stuck in the mushy middle for God knows how long. Well, I, like, I would be more optimistic about the Philadelphia Flyers if they bottomed out and had a tank for Boudard. Like, if you're, I bet you feel better as, I don't want to say Montreal, all who's one of the other bottom tier teams like Arizona like you're probably maybe not Arizona we're running whatever we're running we're running season previews from 32 on down based on Dom's projections like I said we ran Philly yesterday right in Philly you probably want whatever team that came before over the Philadelphia exercise I mean you nailed it because Philly is the

worst team that is not trying to be bad yes all the all the ones below them are in tank mode, right? Like, Philly is projected. Arizona and Montreal. Like you would way rather, if you had to pick which organization you want to have right now. 100%. Like, pop and pick one up. You want the Montreal Canadians.

You want some trying to think where, you know, you'd rather be Columbus. You'd rather be whoever. Completely. Like, it's just they're bad and they're stuck in the middle and the middle is death. And I don't see a way out of this because, They are capped out too, and they're terrible. Maybe they'll get some LTIR relief, but damn. Went Arizona, Montreal, Chicago, Buffalo, Philadelphia.

In the SABERS. From 32. Hmm? I'd rather have a Sabres. I feel so bad for Flyers fans. I feel very bad. If you were listening to this, I'm sorry. You should feel in a way, though, like, this is, it's not good news for Sean Couturier,

and it's not good news for... Oh, of course. And it's not good news for Ryan Ellis, but this is like... I hope they're going to be okay as humans who have to live their lives. Yeah, sure. But like, if you strip all that away

in a vacuum when you're talking about the best on-ice result, the best on-ice, you know, sort of situation for the flyers, like this is, like this is it. Because they're projected, by the way. Ketariah, Kateria's injury happened

before we while we were writing the flyers preview. So we could So Dom worked that into the model accounting for the fact that Kateria is going to miss whatever, 60 games I think is the number we kind of settled on. And that dropped them

behind, that dropped them at least one spot and possibly two. So their projection in Dom's model and whatever, I'm not going to go through you know, the reasons that, you know, I'm not going to, this is not the time or the place to explain any of that. The projection has them at 676 points. This is a team, again, spent all offseason trying to improve.

76 points. They think they're going to be in the playoff race. And that is, and that is, it's amazing. Woof. So. So moving on from the Philadelphia Flyers. That was like 20 good minutes about the Flyers. That was really good.

And you know what? You were making fun of me for doing the radio thing and trying to be a good host that I totally forgot because I was flustered to tell everyone who our first guest is. You'll see it in the title of the show. So, you know, it's fine. Like if you're reading that the title, you'll see that it's Jack. I'm laughing. Stop laughing.

Sweetie pie Jack Campbell. He was great. We had some fun with Campbell. We'll go to that interview shortly. But obviously, yeah, Edmonton Oilers, new starting goalie, Jack Campbell, joined us for our first show. There may or may not have been a happy Gilmore impression. I need to get. That came from two of the three people on this show.

and I will give you a hint. I wasn't one of them. Yeah, it was, it was. Sean and Jack just became great little friends. The other impression, the other impression was from Danielle. She chimed in and was, she did a little Nikki impression. It was crazy. Yeah, I mean, everyone, look, Jack Campbell's got the rep for a reason.

He's a lovely, a nice guy. A lovely dude. I will say, before we started recording, Sean was late, and Jack Campbell got a new puppy. His name is Huey. He's very cute. I saw the dog. Sean didn't. He was a Bernie's a, a, Bernie's, uh, golden retriever mix.

With the Bernie's, which was adorable. So that's what you have to look forward to. We have a nice conversation with Jack Campbell that's going to be coming up. One of the other things I did want to talk to you about first, though, two other interesting bits. And we're going to stay a little bit on the U.S. side, because I know on the Monday show, we talk a lot about Canada. On Thursdays, I talk a lot about Canada. This is the North American hockey show, but we're- Team North America.

Are we going to get the jerseys from the? Anyway, I was just calling us a North American show. Anyway. I don't, this is the point, right? This is why we're working without wires. We don't really have an outline. You ruined my segue. I don't care about you said.

This is not a radio show. Try your segue. Go ahead. Go for it. It wasn't even a segue. I was just saying we're going to stick with some of these American teams because there's been a lot of talk about Austin Matthews and Kyle Dubas and that's fine. That's big stories.

I mean, leave Austin Matthews alone. He's not even eligible for a contract. extension for 10 months. Let's not do this right now, please. One player who is up next year, who is eligible for a contract extension, is Trevor Zegris. And today at training camp, day one for the Anaheim Ducks, GM Pat Verbeek said they're not going to be talking contract with Zegris until the end of the season. There's a couple other Troy Terry's in that mix, too. They're just not going to do it. They're going to table it to the summer. And I don't, That makes sense.

It makes sense. Like this isn't, he's still on his ELC. Like, they're not going to be, you know. Tripping over themselves to get anything done. No. Forbeeks a hard ass, too. He is. Like, he comes from the Steve Eisenman.

You know, that's not a. Right. That's not a touchy feely. That's not a touchy feely dude. Like, he's just like, this is it. We're like, you want to. Nope. He came in and he was just like, we don't have any more, like, feelings about guys

who've been a while, I've been here for a while or whatever it may be, like, you're out, you're done. Yeah. Why? Look at what Verbeek did, man. He was the right guy for, I've said this on the show before. He was the right guy for that job because you needed someone. Sometimes you need that.

You needed someone who's in a comment and be like, uh, Ricard Raquel and Josh Manson and like all these guys. Like just we're, we can be one of the, we're one of the six worst teams in the league with you. Like, we can, we can do that without you. Yeah. See you later. So what I do find interesting, though, which is a, which is my jumping point here, what do we think, like, my, I just like short-circuited. What do you think a deal for, like a new deal for Trevor Zegris would look like? Yeah. I don't know. What do you, what do you think? How much would you pay Trevor Zegris right now? Well, my question is if Trevor Zegris comes out and has another great season, he builds off of last year, is he getting Jack Hughes money?

Probably. Or is he doing, or is Trevor Zegra's going to be the kind of guy that takes a bridge deal to have more control over the situation to maximize his earnings? Or is he just going to say, Jack and I are best buddies, you know, we had the stick thing last year. Like, give me his contract. Yeah. Or does he say like, I want to figure out what's going to happen here in Anaheim and maybe be a bit more like Matthew Chuck. Yeah. It's saying like I grew up a, I grew up a very big.

big New York Rangers fan maybe. I would like to head back to the East Coast maybe. It's interesting. Not to freak out Ducks fans, but we're just, this is where we're at right now. We have all these young, really talented players in the league who are, there, some of them are doing it. We saw Jack Hughes sign that contract, but we're seeing guys not just sit down and say, yep, got to sign long term.

Like, people aren't doing the McDavid thing. No, and they shouldn't because, like, you can't. I mean, if you want to, it's understandable for guys, for guys to do it, you know. I feel like I criticize guys for signing long term like that, maybe a little bit too often. Because if someone said like, hey, here's an eight year deal, we're going to pay you $8 million in your jack queues. That's a tough thing to not take it. That's a tough thing to turn down. It's the same thing.

It happened with Brady Kachuk. You know, I had a lot of conversations with people. And I was. so shocked that he signed long term because all I'd heard is, I don't know, I don't know, I don't think so. I think he wants a bridge. I think he wants to see the direction of the team, et cetera, et cetera. And then when he signed the deal, you know, I talked to some people again. And they're like, it's one thing to say I don't want to sign for eight years in November or September the year before. And it's another to turn that down when there's 50 to 70 million

dollars sitting on the table. So my thing with Trevor Zegris is, do we see Zegris signing that long-term deal? They don't have a captain now. Do you wait this year out? You sign Trevor Zegris to a big ticket and you give him the C and you keep building or is he going to go like a three-year route, make sure that his QO, it's going to be really high in the final year and he's going to see where things go because I don't know how the ducks growing up and get out of this either.

You mean you're talking about the Matthew Kachuk, there, I believe, right? Yes. Like, you guarantee that you have a huge qualifying offer that puts all the pressure on the team. He does have the same agent as Hughes, too. They both are with Pat Brissonne. So. Yeah.

I'll say this. That's a thing. That's a consideration because Pat's, I can imagine Pat being like, you're just going to give him the same. You're going to, that's the same. Well, that's my, that's why I ask. Like, is he just going to get the Jack Hughes deal and the captaincy perhaps? He needs to have. the Jack Hughes season to get the Jack Hughes deal.

And for as great as he was last year, last year, and for as... But he had a better rookie year than Jack Hughes did. He did, but there's meat left on the bone with him in terms of... You want to see him take another step. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, that doesn't mean the last, like, he's overrated or anything like that. He was fierce phenomenal last year.

How dare you? I'm, he's whatever. I'm joking. He's in the 60s on points and whatever else. but like we need to see more on the, something on the defensive side of the puck where his impact numbers are bad. And he needs to have like some kind of,

something other than points. Like that's what made his season last year a success. Was he was extremely successful from a point production standpoint. He was electric from, you know, like just a, whether it's the Michigan, just the overall vibes surrounding that dude are phenomenal in a way that we don't,

often see with hockey players to the point where it's he brought a baby Yoda around for star wars day he's also proof of like how low the standard is for being like an interesting hockey player because that's just like he he's fun he's fun but but he you know whatever it would there shouldn't just be one of those guys right like he it would we'd be in a much better space if we were talking about jack hughes being one of 15 guys in the league personality wise they're like them or not so whatever um there is work to be done, I think, on his output this year to make him, you know, a truly good, a good bet on the level that Jack was a good bet, is a good bet on that, on, on, on, on that deal.

There needs to be some better five on five impacts and whatever else. That dude is 20 years old. I'm sure he'll figure it out. Like he's supremely talented, obviously. And, you know, seems like he cares and all that. Like, it would be a shock if these are the things that come to play. there's like later in their, a little bit into their careers, right? Like, dudes are not fully formed coming in.

He's only 21. It's fine. Yeah. Like, there's not that many Patrice Berserons, right? So whatever. Like, you can learn things that you go. But there's meat on the bone, I think, in times of him being truly worth that kind of commitment.

Yeah. I think it's interesting because we saw that, you know, there wasn't an entry level slide because he played like 20-something games in that first year of his contract. So I had to double check. I had to check myself there for a second being like, this is. is the third year for him already. He didn't have two full seasons, but his contract didn't slide down because, and that's one of those things where you look at it and you understand sometimes when people come

from the player's perspective of like, are you going to potentially impact the amount of money you can make by not having that? Like, he had a fine first 20 games, but if last year, and last year was still technically his rookie season. But if he, if that was his like true first year and he had to. had two more years to build on it before negotiating a contract. Then you're really talking. And he played 11 fewer games in his first year.

Yeah. Or whatever it is. They were trying. They were trying to keep him out of the lineup. Yeah. Anyways, something to think on. And that, again, they're not going to talk about it this year. But I like talking about Trevor's egress.

I think he's a really exciting player. He's someone to watch. And I'm just curious maybe what the, the, trickle-down effect might be from guys like Kachuk doing what they did. Last one before we move on to Jack Campbell, Jacob Chikrin was talking at camp. Again, these are lots of things that are lots of training camp takeaways we're going through here and things that actually have some meat on the bone instead of just, you know, ex-player is in good shape after summer.

Chikrin still wants to get moved to a situation with a chance to win. He did not get traded this at the deadline. He did not get traded this summer. He's back. with the coyotes, but his trade requests still stands. The request stands. Do we have like an over under on when we think Chikrin actually ends up getting moved? Or is he just screwed because of the flat cap?

Because like how are you going to get traded to a team with a chance to win when all the teams that have a chance to win are tight to the cap? I think Jacob Chikrin. Or already figured out the blue line. Yeah. So Jacob Chikrin. This is a deadline thing, I'm sure. You would imagine.

I think that coyotes need to maybe drop the asking price for his sake. He wasn't great last season. But you assume that maybe he balances back and maybe recoup some of his value. I mean, it needs to happen soon because he clearly wants out. The stuff he said today, those are the words of a dude who's had about enough, right? because that seems terrible. Their projection is the worst that's ever made its way through Dom's model, right? And I don't want to, I don't mean to, who cares about Dom really, right?

But that means something. That team is not winning any time soon. They're deliberately trying to lose games. For as valuable as chicken is, and for as good as he was the season before last, we're at the point now where his value is going to start dropping. because a lot of it was predicated on the fact that you're playing, you know, we'll say a top 20 defensemen in the league $4.6 million through 2025. So there's, including this one, including the season we're about to start, he's got three seasons left on his deal. And that's part of what made it feasible for them to ask for, you know, the deed to the house whenever they were trying to shop him last season.

reason. They need there's a saying that comes in mind that we probably shouldn't use they need to get moving. Like let's just let's just say it's time it's time to go. It's like either fish or cut bait is probably

the more oh you're going to say the other one. Yeah I don't I don't know if that's too gross don't say it, it's gross. They need a fish or cut bait on Jacob Checker and it seems like because it seems like my man is finished and they're at the point now we're talking about diminishing returns, right?

Because at a certain point, you're going to say, like, we're not going to give you that much because we're all going to have for two full seasons now, right? Balls in your court. So if they want the bigger turn... The other thing...

...gotified no trade clause coming up next season. 10-team no trade list. They are not going to be good for the next three seasons unless, you know, maybe lightning strikes and they get badard, but there's still work to be done on that roster, even if they do get him.

That's not a dude, sounds like he's going to be interested in resigning in Arizona, no matter what happens in 2025. He wants to win and he wants to win now. And his value's only going to decrease from here on out because like I said, a lot of a lot of it is like awesome. 4.6 for three more seasons. So get a moment. And he's still not fully. Let's do this early.

Let's do this early. He's still not fully healthy. He's still rehabbing that wrist injury and he was not on the ice at practice. So that's another little wrinkle. I wonder how much the wrist. That's an interesting question. I'm sorry, this is really funny. Like, I feel, I don't like Coyote's PR tweeted out like Jacob Chikrin from Media

Day. And it's quote, we're still playing it week by week at this point. And we're seeing how I continue to progress. Like I said, things are feeling really good. Can you imagine if you just saw that? And that was it? You're like, oh, wow, this things are quite great. Everything's great.

Everything's fine. They just left out. But that's one of those things. The part where he says I don't. Yeah, I don't want to be here anymore. Yeah, that was conspicuously absent. But like, look, man, every team sends those reps to Vegas for this big media thing. And they sent Clayton Keller because Clayton Keller is locked up forever.

Clayton Keller is the dude who read his statement in front of Tempe City Council for the arena. he's their guy. He's the guy that if we're talking about this team being relevant in four years from now, he's going to be the guy who stuck around. And probably nobody else. Certainly not Jacob Chicker. Like you think Jacob Chikrin's like,

I'm not going to go. I'm going to go sit and find a bunch of dorks in Las Vegas and answer questions about my contract status and talk about how I don't want to play here anymore. Am I going to go stump for an arena that I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that I never have to play in? Like, no.

Did you see the quotes from the seat from the president yesterday? The president of the United States of America? Yes. No, the president of the coyotes. No. Our fan base understands that they'll be within 13 rows of NHL hockey. It will be a phenomenal experience. Tickets are expensive.

I can kind of get that. Like, that's kind of fun. Like, that is cool if you've ever been to a game and sat that close to the glass. And it's awesome. But anyways, I think it's time to go to Jack Campbell. It'll be fun. Those are some, like, I think buried in when you kind of weighed through the day-to-day stuff. There has been quite a bit that came out of these first couple days of training camp,

whether it's McKinnon re-signing, Dubest not having an extension, Ryan Ellis, Jacob Chikrin, I mean, Ryan Ellis slash everything that's happening in Philadelphia, Jacob Chrickin, and I'm sure there's more that we didn't have a chance to get to here, but it's certainly been, when you really take a look around the league and parse through it, there's been a lot that's kind of come out over these last two days, which is great for us. You know what the biggest is? In the North American Friday. Friday show.

But do you know what the biggest is it? What? Jack Campbell's true feelings on Red Lobster, which he's about to share with us. That's coming up next. So everyone, we're pleased to bring in the very first guest for the Friday edition. This is our big welcome. I'm not sure what the right word is. This is our big first get.

Thank you so much, Jack Campbell, for joining us. Thanks for having me on the show today. I'm excited. Thanks. So are we. This is great. I was before we started recording, I told Jack that I was, in fact, a Calgary Flames media member for a couple years.

So this is a controversial of me going to Edmonton for the launch of the Friday show. But I think it's great. We're excited to have you. Yeah, thanks for having me. And it's cool, you experience, you know, the flames. It was a good series last year that I watched and, you know, a lot of, a lot more really good games this year. Yeah. Wait a second. Let's start there. How much of that, how much of that series did you watch? Like, was it, was it an every night thing for you? I did watch, yeah, I watched Game 7 with L.A. and, and Edmonton, and I started watching the Calgary-Edmonton series. pretty much every game. I was in Vancouver at the time. So I was, you know, games were on, I don't know, relatively early, I guess, but it was just fun to watch that fans were going nuts

on both sides and both great teams. I was sitting in the Saddle Dome for game one, which was the like 15 goal game or whatever. And I feel like I just consistently felt like I was getting like run over by a tractor or something. I just didn't know what was going on. I'd never experienced a game like that. Are you like your first battle of Alberta, like you don't have to wait very long, Jack. I think game two for the Oilers is against the flames in Edmonton. Like are you prepared for for this experience? I can't wait. You know, I've definitely witnessed, you know, on TV and a bunch of my buddies have played for both sides and can't wait to experience it myself. help and get in there.

And, you know, whether it's in Calgary or Edmonton, the fans are always going. You know, both teams are really good hockey teams and just can't wait to battle. Was there a point where you realize that that was maybe something you were interested in being a part of? Because, I mean, you grew up in Michigan. I grew up in Pennsylvania. Like, we're around the same age. I didn't really care about the battle of Alberta.

And I don't know if that was, like, a function of, like, the time period that we grew up in because it was like kind of lean times for the flames, lean times for the Oilers. Was it just as simple as talking to some of your buddies who'd played on either side? Like, when did you realize that was something that maybe, you know, you wanted to be a part of? I think dating back to when I was in L.A.,

when Drew, Dowdy, and Kuch obviously had their battles. And, you know, I thought that was a pretty big, big rivalry until you start watching the Edmonton Cowdery games. So, you know, watch your following those. And then last year in the playoffs, I think sparked it on another level. So, you know, this year should be a lot of fun. Have you, I always feel badass.

Obviously, the goal as a goalie is to, you know, focus on stopping pucks. But when you see a goalie fight in a Battlef Alberta game, do you have a moment to yourself being like, would I do this? Would I be okay if this happened? Like, what would happen if opposing, if Jacob, Markstrom starts skating down to center ice. I don't think that's going to happen. I think somebody asked him that last year.

He's like, I'm not a boxer. I'm a goalie. So I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, I mean, those games are intense and, you know, our jobs stop puck and help our team win. So as long as we're winning the game, that's all I care about. So I guess we will transition out of the Battle of Alberta for you, Jack. You know, joining this Oilers team, you said you watch them a lot in the playoffs.

you know, they make it to the Western Conference final. When you come and join this team, I mean, what's the kind of, you know, environment been like, you know, or you feel like you're joining a team that is just kind of hungry to take another step in the direction? Like, what's the kind of vibe been like in the locker room since you started? Yeah, I mean, instantly, once I was able to get the deal done with Edmonton, I started training. I was living in Toronto, started training over with Gary Roberts, and, you know, there's like six of the guys from the Oilers over there. So right away I saw the drive and, you know, the passion not being satisfied with the conference finals. They want to go all the way and bring the cup to Edmonton.

And, you know, that's the biggest reason I signed with Edmonton is we have the group to do it. And we want to be the group that brings the cup back to Canada. that. Can you maybe take us back to the summer, Jack? And you said that's one of the reasons you signed with Edmonton. But what was that process like for you, you know, hitting the open market and going through that decision and decision-making process? Well, I just really enjoyed playing in Toronto with the Canadian market and the fan base and my teammates, everything like that. And, you know, when I saw that Edmonton was interested, that really lit a fire in my belly. just wanted to go back and get another opportunity to win a Stanley Cup in Canada.

So then obviously when you look at the group specifically, and I've been intended, it's just like a no-brainer. You know, we're only getting better. And, you know, just the passion, talking to the guys and, you know, how bad they want to win a Stanley Cup here is unbelievable. So they're a great group and just can't wait to get it going. Was there a moment that you realized that you wanted to stick in Canada? I mean, that's kind of heartbreaking for me to hear as an American hockey fan. But I mean, I get what you're saying. Was there a moment last year in the last couple of years in Toronto where you're like,

all right, this is a priority for me. This is where I want to be. This is kind of the route I want to take. Yeah, I mean, it was really a blast playing in Los Angeles and my little time in Dallas. You know, great fan bases, great teams. But, you know, there's just something special about trying to be that team that, you know,

when you have the talent and you just put it all together and win a Stanley Cup, you know, I want to be a part of that in Canada. I think it means so much to the city and the fan base. Not in the states, it doesn't. But it's just you're under the microscope here, like crazy. And I think it gets the best out of you to perform at your very best.

You can't live in Manhattan Beach, though, no. That's the, that's the tough part. It seemed like, it seemed like you had a pretty good time there. I was there a few months back. What is, what was, what was beach life like? Did you, did you, how many particular spots, like, around there in L.A. Did you miss? Oh, I mean, I miss the guys, for one, in L.A.

They really helped me succeed at the NHL level and got me to where I am today. and, you know, learning from Jonathan quick, be becoming really tight with them off the ice and on the ice. You know, a lot of things like that I miss, you know. Obviously the food and the sunshine is really nice. And yeah, definitely be checking it out in the off season sometime. There was a coffee shop in Manhattan Beach that I went to every single day. Java Man.

It was called Verve. Oh, okay. Nice. There's a bunch. Is that the wrong one? Is that the wrong choice? No, actually, sorry for cutting you off. I think the problem. The man was in Hermosa. So that's her real. Yeah, yeah, there's some good options. That's good. I'm going to, I know, show up in Edmonton before I go to California next time.

Ask for a list. You did mention the Kings, though. What did Jonathan Quick mean to you in your career? and how would you describe, you know, the ways in which he helped you? Oh, man. He, like, number one, he just, he really just wanted the best for me. So whatever, you know, whether I was just watching him and learning that way, or if he talked to me and took me out for lunches, dinners, like, just always had my back. And that's what I appreciate most. And also just the way he carries himself. So that's what I'm, you know, as much as I learned from the advice he gave me, just watching.

that I'm really kind of shaped who I am and, you know, the accountability he has for himself and, you know, the expectation of, you know, his standard of play. You know, that's something I learned and, you know, his teammates love him, play for him every night. And he just taught me so much. It seems like you have a track record of getting along well with your partners, right? I mean, that's no surprise. Is that something that you're bringing to your relationship with Stuart Skinner? Like, are there kind of lessons that you picked up along the way?

Because he's a, I mean, he's about to start his first full season, right? He's a younger guy. So the shoes on the other foot now, right? Are you going to, is that a focal point for you? Just kind of showing him the way on and off guys? Yeah, I mean, Cricky really showed me so much. And, you know, just thinking of what he's done for me, I'm just super pumped to be there for Stu.

And obviously, I haven't accomplished the things Cricky has, but the things he's taught me, I really want to apply with Stu, and he's such a good kid and really talented goalie. So we're already hitting it off, and there's no doubt we're going to do some really special things. The Oilers have gone with a tandem over the last four seasons. I mean, and now they're kind of changing course,

going with a number one that they brought in with you. What kind of confidence does that give you that the front office and the coaching staff made the decision and said, yeah, we've got the confidence in Jack Campbell. He's our guy. We're going to bring him in for the next five years to do this thing. Specifically, when it's, you know, you're signed through a similar kind of window of contention with guys like Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisidal, Zach Heiman. You're part of what they're building, a very important piece of it, too. What does that mean for your confidence? I mean, really, I mean, everything, you know, when we got the deal

done, I just couldn't, you know, I'm just, honored and it's a privilege for you know Ken Holland to to believe in me that well you know that much as well as the team and the rest of the coaching staff you know it's just uh just fires me up i just wanted to uh work work as hard as i can all summer to be ready to go and now it's go time and i just can't wait to uh you know live up to everything and just have some fun and win a lot of hockey games coming into a season is like a no doubt out number one. That's, you know, a little bit of a, I don't want to say it's a new thing for you because we all know, you've been a number one goalie in the past, but knowing that that's

the expectation, right, that you're going to have an 82 game schedule ahead of you. Did that change your approach? Are there like focal points, you know, for, you know, maybe where you're, is it, did your training change? Did your outlook change? Because you're like, all right, now I'm the guy who, from day one, from October, whatever, whatever it is, 50 games, 50 games. 55 games. Have there, has there been a shift? Good question. I mean, I think I've always taken the training part of it extremely seriously. I think when you start playing more, you've got to be smart and manage yourself a little bit. Not saying you don't work hard, but just, you don't work as hard, I should say,

but just, you know, you got to be smart. And that's things I learned in Toronto with different sorts of injuries, whatnot. So I feel super prepared from what I learned there and ready to have a big year. Is the injury stuff, do you feel like that's past you? Like, is that, are there any lingering effects there? Like, is it something that's in the back of your mind? Or is that just, you know, clean, clean slight moving on? No, I mean, I think looking back, you can kind of learn from different things and, you know,

working with different people to help you prevent those things from happening. And I've done that. So now it's just a matter of going out and playing and making sure you're prepared every day. and I feel I am, so I don't have any concerns or anything about that. One of the things we hear so often when people talk about you is that you're the nicest guy in the room or the nicest guy that anyone's played with. I saw one story from Trevor Lewis. I think you guys went out for ice cream once, and he really liked the flavor of ice cream and you just bought him this flavor all the time, stuff like that. that's a good thing to, you know, be in headlines about obviously, but have you adjusted to people

kind of constantly asking you and writing stories about just how nice you are? Is that something that's been a bit of an adjustment? It's definitely interesting. I mean, I don't know. I'm just like anybody else. So, you know, I don't really see why I get the attention for it. You know, we're all, you know, good teammates and we're all battling for each other. And we all, we all do things off the ice that are nice for each other. So I don't know why I get the stories, but, you know, I definitely am lucky to have the team needs I have. One, one story I saw that I really liked was that you went through a phase of really liking using a smoker. You would just, do you still do that? Like, when we're talking like you went through a smoked meat phase,

like what are you firing up? What does, what does this look like? Yeah, I had like a, Trager. I bought it in L.A. And then I had it in Toronto. But my good buddy, back in Toronto, he loved it, but he didn't have one. And I was moving, so I just gave it to him, but he loves

it. So he's been, I used to do, you know, I love salmon on it. I love trying to do a brisket, even though that one's tricky. Wow. So like, you know, steak sounded like a great, like a big tomahawk. But yeah, it's fun. It's fun.

It's fun to get the guys over and fire something up. It's like an all day activity. Did you pick up any brisket tips from Texas? Like did you make it out to those places in Austin where they have the serious, the serious stuff out and lock hard or whatever? Well, that's why I can't do it because you've tasted the best. Yeah, like the Rudy's barbecue in Austin at the gas station. That's the pinnacle of brisket.

And I've tried to replicate it. and I'm not even not even playing the same sport. It's always like the random gas station place where you're like, this is the greatest thing I've ever had in my life. So good. And then you come to North America and your gas station's like, you know, 7-Eleven tequitos or whatever. It's not saying.

Seven-nelled tequitos. Those are really good. Yeah, I don't know. Like, she's knocking 7-Eleven tequitos. That's like, that's not fair. Maybe I'm not cultured. Nope. That's great. Sean, I think, had one that he found that he...

Oh, yeah. Someone was given you... I can't remember who it was. I think it might have been Derek Forbort. He was... He knocked you for being a Red Lobster fan. Like, that's not, that's not fair. Like, do you, do you want to defend... Do you want to defend Red Lobster here? Because you're among friends. I'm a big, I'm a big endless shrimp guy. Yeah, I mean, like, growing up and poured here on that, like, that was a special. Yeah. That's a special treat that my grandma would treat us to, you know. But then when I got older, obviously catching on with the happy Gilmore stuff.

Like the guy, you know, asking shooter. Shooter. My treat. It's like my favorite line ever. So that's really where he's from. And then I just started ordering it because it made the boys rattle. So I thought I was aware. He likes Red Lobster and he'll bring it.

up sometimes like, you know, we'll be prepping for the show or doing whatever. It's like, yeah, we went to red lobster yesterday and I just don't get it. It's a good hang, man. You find it. I get the happy Gilmore. I think it's great. It's very funny. I appreciate my treat, but I'm not a red lobster gal. You find a good red lobster with a good bar and you just sit there and hammer some coconut shrimp. It's simple. Honestly, I take my folks there and we had the best time ever and it was great. It's a nice This is snob. This is snob stuff talking from whether it's foreboard or Haley or whatever. They can go. We're fine. So you're living next to Tyson Berry. Is that right? Yeah. How's that going? He's awesome. He's so funny. He brings such a fun personality to the room and obviously a heck of a player. So just nice to be by him. And we both like to cook. And he's cooking. He's cooking.

a few nice meals already. And yeah, it's just a great guy to live by. Have you done that in the past? Like, have you had that experience in the past where you've like been, whatever? Have you lived in the same building as teammates or been in the same neighborhood? You know, where are that close? Yeah, I mean, Toronto is pretty spread out with, you know, the city pretty well. So it's, you know, always a little commute unless you're downtown.

And I lived in Tobacco then. So not so much Toronto, but L.A., we all lived in Hermosa Beach, other than maybe three guys. So, you know, kind of brings back those memories of walking over to somebody's place and they cook up dinner or vice versa. So definitely, it's nice to have them over here and looking forward to a fun year with them. One of your teammates that I wanted to ask you about, and I'm sorry, I feel like we're stealing so much time from you, but I feel like we have so many questions from Red Lobster. to the Oilers. But one player I really wanted to ask about is Zach Heiman. You know, I think you guys had a bit of crossover with the Leafs.

And he's just had such a great season in Edmonton last year. He seems like a genuinely great guy as well when we're talking about, you know, you getting a lot of the stories about being so nice. What's Zach Heimann like as a teammate and just as a person in the room? Yeah, well, first of foremost, he's just, just genuinely like literally the nicest guy and um you know always thinking to other people as teammates you know you name it so that's number one but i mean what a leader he is you know at the rink too he works so hard and um you know i played with him the year i got traded from la and then the

bubble so like that off season we trained together then the next summer we trained together uh then he went to edmonton and so i've gotten to know him really well and he really pushes the pace on the ice and the weight room and just a great teammate and always there for you. So I can't say enough good things about him. One of the, you know, we talked about this before we started recording, but this was a big summer for you. We got engaged. So congratulations again and got a dog.

Yeah. I think we keep seeing him walk by. So how many pets are in the Campbell household now? Because I know you're a cat guy because I have to know about the cat birthday. party because I love that. Yeah, we have a little Huey's my, or our five-month-old puppy. He's Bernice and Golden Retriever Mix, and he's amazing. And then we have Buds is one of the male cats.

And then we have Doris, who's a female cat. That's great. Is Doris named after anybody? No, I just thought it was hilarious. I literally laughed every time. It's the funniest thing. It's the funniest thing to see animals with like old people names. You get a, you just get a dog named Lou or whatever, a cat named Doris.

That's the, a Huey. Like, you did it again. It worked. It worked with a cat. What's the next one? Like, if you get another cat or another dog, like, what's the next name that we've got on the list here? Homeless, Aitante, Ashley and I are watching Friday Night Lights, the TV series. I've seen a few seasons before, but now where we're watching it, and Tim Riggins just adopted a dog and he named him Skeeter.

I thought that was a stick. I was like Skeeter. I like that. If you do like some kind of, you know, I don't know, some kind of weird accent with it, it just sounds great. Yeah, he has that cool Texas accent. So I don't know if I can pull him off. But that's a great dude. That dude's from, that dude's from BC.

he's faking it. You can pull it up too. You can be like Taylor Kitch and adopt a Texas accent. Let's go, Jack. Maybe you can help me out with it. That'd be perfect. Yeah. I love Doris. That's great. Yeah, that's my favorite thing, I think. That's the big takeaway from today. Doris. I don't think we have anything else for you, Jack. I think this was great. We really appreciate all of your time and everything you shared about the Oilers and and the animals. And I'm sure Sean enjoyed the red lobster. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much.

Our treat, yeah. Our tree, check. We'll talk to you. Thank you. Good luck with the season. And congratulations again on the big summer with the dog and the contract and getting engaged. It's a big one. So congratulations.

Thanks so much. We'll see you soon. It's good stuff from Jack. I don't really, I couldn't care less about the oilers. this point. The big thing, the big news for Jack Campbell and me is that endless shrimp has returned to Red Lobsters all through this great nation. And I would, and I would imagine, and I would imagine. This is a hockey show. In Evanston. Yeah, this is, this is the Friday show presented to you by Red Lobster.

You can't do that. You can't say that. That is a advertising faux pa. No, they sent, they sent us money. This is native advertising for red lobster. There are two red lobsters in Edmonton, Alberta. I was just about to say, we need to. There's one. There's one in Canada. Wait. There's two.

I'm surprised there's not more. That seems like a red lobster kind of plays to me. This is a lot of pressure on Jack Campbell this season. Outside from, you know, whatever, taking care of his dogs and hanging out of Tyson Barry. They signed him for a lot of money And that is a team that has That's number one goal That's without a doubt

Number one goalie money I think we tried We tried to get at it too Because you don't want to just ask them like Second half of the season Pretty rough Pretty rough You got you got hurt

What are you going to do about that? And he said he's feeling good And again it's the time of year where everyone's feeling good. But, and that's what, again, he realized what we were asking him. He was like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, so.

I think that's one of those things where when you're prepping for interviews, you know, like, I kind of should ask about this. However, like, what's he really going to say? That's, yeah, I wasn't good last year in the second half. What he was like?

What happened again? And we've got there. Yeah, he was like, But he was like, I know, man, I haven't played that many games in a while. I really ran out of gas. Hopefully it doesn't happen. He's not going to, he's not going to say that. No.

So I thought that was great. It was good to have Jack on. I think, you know, we hear so much about him being really nice. I thought he was fun. I, again, the, my treat was amazing as I sit here. Shooter. And this was my treat. This is another look at our process.

into the show as we talk about treats. We had a delay. Mint number three. We had a recording delay because I just needed to have one of my winto green mints. Disgusting. They're not disgusting. They're good.

No. Those are, those are, those are, those are, those are, and so I have some winto green mints beside me and some hubba-bubba bubble gum. So I love old lady and children. candies. Those are bank. Those are bank candies. That's like when you go out, uh-huh. No. No. Hubabababa. I'm not talking about Hohom. I'm talking about the other ones. Oh. This is the North America, the, what is it? Team North America Threaty show presented to you by Red Lobster. Winter green. Winto green. Hubba-bubba. And Jack Campbell's cats,

they are sponsoring. Doris. Thank you. Thank you for our sponsor from from this episode. Thank you, Doris. We couldn't do this without you. We appreciate your support. I can't wait. The smartest thing that Craig and I have done on the Tuesday show is just outsource the third segment to everybody else. Absolutely. This right now is where we say if you made it through our first, our absurd first segment rambling.

I don't even know what happened. I blacked out. I don't know. Where we started and how we ended. Whatever you made it here. Whatever you folks here, it's going to be significantly less than the amount of time we spent talking. Because Danielle is going to make us sound like we have good pacing and we're good podcasters. And we should continue to have our own show.

I'm going to guess that Danielle ensures that the people get a little bit less, 2016 World Cup content. Sean went off the rails. I was literally just saying we are the North American podcast team. Hey, remember Team North America? And then we talked about it. I don't know what happened. I have a cluttered brain.

What do you do? It's fine. Things are going great. So again, if you've made it this far and we appreciate you all so much, this is the point of the show where I take a page from Craig's book. And this is where I'm. I steal from the Tuesday show. Send us your comments and questions in the app.

It's really not that hard to get there. Just go to listen, go to the athletic hockey show, click on the Friday morning show. Leave us a comment. Tell us fun things about yourself. If you also like winter green mints, I will gladly talk about them next week. And send us questions.

Let us know what you guys want to hear about because that's the point of this. Right. Like we, sometimes that we find interesting does no ways intersect with what listeners find listening. Oh, I have a, I just. And this is for you guys. So let us know.

I have a great idea. We want to talk about. Give us what. I have a great idea. Okay. Third segment, every show. We tell everybody you stuck with us some kind of secret. Why did you say it like that?

A secret. It'll be their reward. Your award for Signing us for this long is the order. You get a little secret. The order of the season preview stuff is kept under lock and key. The Red Wings and Cracken are running Friday mornings. You've seen those already. Over the weekend, the next four.

Sean, are you? Is this going to get you in trouble? And my secret was that I really like Winto Green Mints. Yeah, because you're, you're. secretly, secretly born in 1941. I'm an old soul.

I might be young, but... You're not that young. This has been... I'm still in my 20s, and this is my show. You can't say that. That's funny.

I know my... I know my place. Yeah, that's right. Take us out of this, please, boss. Sit back in your second seat. Okay. Well, I do the outro. yeah do it anyways thank you really for everyone what thank you really for everyone that's a prayer

you're saying that to god thank you really for everyone and thank you for my friends at school and thank you for thank you for my dog bono amen good night please send them good health um i'm gonna try that again thank you everyone for joining us we'll talk see you next week. You made me laugh. We're never going to do this again. Anyways, thanks everyone for listening to this new episode that we've launched. Hopefully you enjoyed the first show.

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