The Athletic Hockey Show - Team Canada GM Shane Doan joins the show, Evander Kane scores in Edmonton Oilers debut, the Montreal Canadiens are having a terrible season, Multiple Choice Madness, and more

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

First, Hailey bids farewell to The Athletic Hockey Show for the duration of the Olympics, as she’ll be covering the games on a daily show for the CBC, and then she and Ian discuss Claude Julien being replaced by Jeremy Colliton as head coach of Team Canada after Julien took a fall during the team’s training camp and fractured his ribs, leaving him unable to make the flight to Beijing.Then, Team Canada’s GM for the Beijing Olympics, Shane Doan, joins the show from Davos, Switzerland to discuss how the team’s training camp there is going so far, the value of having Stanley Cup champion and Olympic veteran Eric Staal on the roster, why he’s such a big fan of Owen Power, lessons learned from the 2018 games, and much more.Plus, thoughts on Evander Kane scoring a goal in his Edmonton Oilers debut over the weekend, the truly terrible year the Montreal Canadiens are having, and a quick round of Multiple Choice Madness about which Trevor Zegras highlight from this season has been the most impressive so far.And, right now, you can sign up for an annual subscription to The Athletic for just $3.99 a month when you visit http://theathletic.com/hockeyshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back. It is your Monday edition of the Athletic Hockey Show. Ian Mendez Hilley Salveen with you in the driver's seat for the next, I don't know, 45, 60 minutes, however long this podcast takes. Coming up on the show today, the general manager of Team Canada for the men's team. At the Olympics, Shane Doan is going to drop by. We'll chat about putting that team together, the roster together, and I'm going to have to ask Shane Don about the 2004 World Cup of hockey. I don't think he gets enough love for his role in that.

So we've got Shane Doan coming up on the show. We'll talk a little bit more about Evander Kane as well. Scored in his Oilers debut on Saturday. The Oilers are they back on track and they keep this going. And I'd like to ask a question to Haley as well. And we'll do that maybe to wrap up the show, which is which is the more impressive goal from Trevor Zegris this season? The lacrosse style goal, he scored the Bell Center

or that over the net set up to Sunny Malano. So there's a lot to get to on this Monday edition of the athletic hockey show. As we bring in Haley for what will likely be, what, the last time in a couple weeks, three weeks here. Like you're, Haley Salvean is about the big leagueas here on the athletic hockey show. She's got big league us by going and sitting on the desk at basically CBC, right? You're going to be at the CBC Olympic desk in Toronto, helping anchor the coverage of the Olympic Games starting later this week. Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm big leaging. But yeah, I'm going to be in Toronto for the Olympics. It's, you know, a cool opportunity. I'm going to be there for three weeks. We're doing a noon hockey show.

And I was kind of brought in, you know, originally when the Olympians, when the NHLers were going to be there, excuse me. It was like, you know, you cover women's hockey, you cover the NHL, like this is good. You can do both. Ask the athletic. They were good with it as long as I continue to write for the athletes. And then obviously NHLers aren't going. So now it's still like, you know, a focus on on the women's tournament, but also still the men's. There's just no NHLers. So yeah, it'll be cool.

It'll be every day. It's going to be really busy. I'm still going to be writing. Yeah, I'm going to be doing it all from Toronto. And our show runs kind of during when we would normally be recording on Mondays. So, yeah, this is it. Okay. Good luck.

Let me just, let's just play this out here for a second, Haley. Because you said, yeah, the athletic was cool with it as long as I could keep writing. The question I'm going to ask on behalf of myself and our fellow podcast producer, Chris Flannery, why didn't you protect the podcast? Where was that in your agenda? Why was it only your work, your written work that was protected? And the podcast was left unprotected, you know, we're feeling a little left out here, Haley. I'm not going to lie to you.

I don't really have an answer for that. You don't. You don't. No, your original answer says it all. It says it all. You know what? To be fair, like, I thought that the show was going to be like Monday to Friday. It's a new show. So I thought it would be, they told me like 10 to 2 Monday to Friday. Turns out it's also Saturdays and Sundays. So our original plan, Ian, we had these conversations. I guess you weren't part of it. It was myself and Chris. And I said, yeah, we can just record like Sunday nights. Right. But the show is Monday. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday for three weeks. So give us a sense of what you're going to be doing with your studio work. So are you basically part of the studio panel that comes on pregame, intermissions, and postgame? No, so we're hosting a show every day at noon. So it's a noon show with myself, PJ Stock, and Hunter Ein Singh. And it's going to be kind of the recap slash look forward show every day talking about the games that happened last.

night because obviously these games are going to be on at 8 a.m. 11 p.m. So they're not like in Eastern time because it is in China, which is 13 hours ahead of Eastern time. So it's going to be kind of that afternoon show that goes over like here's what you missed in the late game or what you may have missed at the game that puck drop was at 8 in the morning or 6 a.m. If you're your mountain time in Calgary. Here's what's coming up later in the day. We're going to be doing, you know, different segments. Like like I said, kind of of recapping highlight show, but also, you know, analyzing the games, talking about the players, talking about their stories, you know, interviewing people, bringing guests on. So it's going to be

just, you know, a hockey show that runs every day for an hour in the afternoon. And then it will run pregame as well. So before the pregame shows run, that show will air again. And there'll be some stuff, you know, with the intermission panelists. CBC actually brought on, um, show. Shannon Zabodos as a panelist. So she's going to be doing intermission work. Cheryl Pounder is going to be doing color commentary for some of these games. Like they've got a really great, you know, group of people who are going to be providing analysis on the games.

And then there's me. And then there's you. So was your original plan, was your original plan if there was no COVID, would you have been going over to Beijing and covering the women's tournament? No, no, I wasn't. I was going to cover everything from here. Okay. I wasn't sure.

I wasn't sure if you were missing out on a trip. No, no. See, I would have loved to have tried to do this. If we thought you have a delay in Calgary on the podcast, I kind of wanted to do it from Beijing to see what would happen with you. Like, what if our chemistry was unbelievable when there was a 13-hour time difference and like a little bit of more of a lag? Imagine like our chemistry was even better.

Yeah, I like, I mean, I don't see how it can improve. Yeah, you can't beat. Can't top perfection. Okay. Last question, because I'm a former TV guy. I worked a long time in TV. So how many days in a row will you be working on CBC here? Like 17, 14?

So I fly out tomorrow morning. And then our first show is February 5th. And then it's every single day from the 5th. from the fifth until the end of the Olympics. So it's 15 straight days of shows. Okay. So this is where my curious television brain goes. 15 straight days of television equals how many outfits are you bringing?

I've been stressed shopping. Like, do you know how stressful it is going to the mall? Like knowing like I need to come home with a bunch of stuff so that I can wear on national television. It is painful. And I like, I don't know. I've been trying to, because the set, they send us a picture and you work with a stylist, like they don't have outfits provided to you, but the stylist will help give, you know, pointers on colors and like outfits at work and et cetera, et cetera.

The set is brown. So I can't wear like staple pieces. So I've basically had to go out and buy things of, like I have to buy like reds and blues and greens, like things that will pop on the brown set. So it's not like I can just go out and buy like capsule wardrobe staple pieces. I'm like, you know, here's a red blazer and a blue blazer. So I've tried to just like mix and match items that you can be like, okay, I can wear this as like a full set one day.

But then I can wear that blazer with these pants another day. I don't know. I feel like I'm just going to keep stress shopping. That's the fun thing for our, maybe we have a game. And for our listeners, The first time that you fully repeat an outfit, somebody has to call it out on Twitter and... That's cruel, Ian.

I'm self-conscious. It's part of TV. Listen, I went to the... Don't make a game over my lack of style. I'm already stressed out. I once covered... I went away to cover. I've covered a couple Olympics on television,

but I did 41 days away to cover the FIFA World Cup in 2006. And I went over as part of a... a conglomerate with TSN and SportsNet and CTV. I had to file every day. I think I had five golf shirts that they approved for me to wear. Like, imagine that. Like, it was, and a jacket or whatever. But, like, it was.

Did you just, like, put on the back of each shirt, like, Monday? Tuesday. I should have. I should have. Anyway, so, listen, I understand. I get the pain. I understand what that's all. Like, hey, speaking of the Olympics coming up,

We're going to air an interview that we did with Shane Doan. Now, for the benefit of our listeners, we'll let you know that we did this interview with Shane Donne late last week. I think it was Thursday or Friday of last week. And that is before the news broke on the weekend that there's going to be a new person in charge of Team Canada on the men's side at the Olympics. So why don't you just really quickly update our listeners, Haley, on what happened to Claude Julian? because this is an odd situation, odd story, and he's out as head coach. Yeah, so the team Canada, like the men's team is doing a training camp in Davos, Switzerland right now, about eight-day training camp before they head over to Beijing.

And during one of their off-ice kind of team-building activities at their training camp, Julian slipped on ice and sustained fractured ribs. So the advice of the medical team with hockey Canada that's there with them in Switzerland, and said that he will no longer be able to lead the team. So the advice of the medical staff, they determined he would be unable to fly to Beijing to participate in the 2022 Olympics due to the injury. So, you know, I think their training camps got to be, you know,

forgive me, I don't have the exact dates, but I mean, the games begin for the women on the second. The men's tournament starts on the ninth. So you would think that they were going to head over in the next week or so. So you're what, like five? five days out from going to the Olympics and you fall on ice and break your ribs and now you can't go. And now Jeremy Caledon has been named the head coach of Team Canada. So I believe they have a Zoom call that's happening with Shane Don, who we already spoke to and Jeremy Collidan happening

this afternoon. And, you know, I think in a statement, you know, Jeremy's obviously excited to be the coach team Canada, but the circumstances of it are really unfortunate for Claude Julian. Yeah. And the way we're thinking about this is, you know, Claude Julian, the medical personnel is saying, look, you can't get on a, you got broken ribs. It's really hard to get on a plane, the altitude change,

all that stuff. It's very painful. Don't do it. Well, I would imagine that that also precludes them from flying back to North America. Like, basically, if you're stuck in Switzerland and you can't fly out for a week or so, at least, if not longer, you can't fly home either, right? So is Claude Julian just going to be stuck in Switzerland for the next, I don't know, 10 days, two weeks?

What a tough break. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it is unfortunate, like especially if he's going to be. And again, we don't know. We don't have confirmation that he's going to be in Switzerland this whole time. You know, maybe they'll approve him flying back home so he can actually go home and actually rest and recover in his own home instead of being alone in a hotel room. but, you know, if you're stuck in Switzerland, I know it's beautiful.

And Shane Don't told us once we had already finished recording that Davos is so beautiful and he was telling us, you know, again, off recording when we were finished the interview, like, you've got to go there. It's amazing. So it sounds like it's not the worst place in the world to be shacked up for a bit. But can you imagine just sitting there, like icing your broken ribs watching puck drop for the men's tournament that you were supposed to coach? Like that sucks. I feel bad. It's really unfortunate for him. And you just hope that he's going to end up being okay too.

Because broken ribs aren't really. That's no joke. Oh yeah. No, not at all. And yeah, Switzerland sounds amazing. And you know, you got to appreciate like people like Shane Done. Don't. Don't you feel like you just live in a different stratosphere than them though when they're like you got to get to Switzerland. You got to get to Switzerland. You got to just get to Davos as if it's just like a quick trip for us. Like, you know, we're like you got to get to Bamp. You live in Calgary or something. But like get into Switzerland. Yeah. Pretty cool to listen to him. And we'll put this interview in a second, but listen to him, like to give our listeners a little sense. Oftentimes we will do interviews with guests on, you know, in the Zoom era. We do the Zoom. We do the interview.

We thank them. And they quickly hang up. And that's that. Shane don't. It was like, okay, Shane, thanks so much. And the interview stopped. And then he probably stayed with us another, I don't know, 12 minutes, 13 minutes. Just wanted to chat about Switzerland.

and just, you know, it was, it was a great, it was a great conversation. And it, you know, it's great because sometimes you do. You get those, those guests that are like, okay, thanks. See ya. Bye. Click and they hang up. Yeah. He's great.

Like, he's, he's very chatty. He's very engaging. I think it was a really good interview. He gave some great insight into some of the players that were selected to play for Team Canada, their stories. And I think, you know, it's not the NHL. It's not the best players in the world. world going, but like, there's going to be some good stories. There's going to be some good players

here. And I think any time we can, you know, kind of shed some light on some of the names and faces and stories to look out for before the tournament starts, it's going to be what draws interest. You know, if somebody hears something they really like about Devin Levi or Eric Stahl or, you know, Owen Power is going to be there. Like, like, there's some big names. Like, there's some interesting names and things to watch for for Team Canada here. And, you know, I think, Shane Don't talking about it is going to, you know, make it all the more interesting for people to, to tune in and watch and follow those stories. Yeah. And I think on just from the men's tournament perspective, it goes back like, you know, Maddie Baneers is going to play for Team USA and Jake Sanderson is going to play for Team USA. And like you said, you get, you get, you know, some, some high end talent playing in this tournament.

It gives you a reason to tune in. It's almost like a little touch of the world. juniors meets the Olympics, which is great. Because, you know, way back when there was Olympic games where Eric Lindross was a highly sought after prospect. He played at the Olympics. Paul Korea was a highly thought of prospect. He played at the Olympics. And there was a great intrigue factor.

Like, I wonder what these kids are going to do on the big stage. Peter Forsberg was like that, too. So I think that this year's tournament is going to have a little bit of that element, which makes it a little bit more exciting than 2018. Now, I also got to ask you this. I was asking you about the wardrobe. And you got a wardrobe person. And one of the other great benefits to television is you often have a research person.

Okay. These research people are amazing. Like, they will email you these stats and facts and facts and figures and newspaper article. Like, they are indispensable, these people. So what's the setup here at the CBC for kind of giving you some research heading into, into the tournament. Yeah, it's really helpful. We have our main researcher.

His name is Dennis. And, you know, I've been seeing a lot of Dennis in my inbox lately. And he's been great. He's been putting packages together on every team with, you know, biographical and statistical information on every player on every team as the rosters come out. And it's so invaluable, you know, just to be able to have that package. front of you to go over and read and add your little notes to of things that you've heard or

things that you've found, players to watch for, you know, just having that package kind of prepared and right in front of you versus, you know, having to go and put that together, which I have no problem doing. I mean, I've done that in the past. We do that for our own articles. You put together your own research for NHL stuff or women's hockey stuff. You know, I'm so used to doing that. But, you know, having someone actually provide that research is so, is so helpful and so invaluable. In terms of, like, my own prep, obviously the research great. But, you know, I've just been kind of talking to people, you know, specifically with the women's team talking about, you know, hey, what do you think about Brianna Decker heading into the Olympics? You know, what makes Poulin so special?

You know, tell me about Jamie Lee Ratre. And, you know, you just, you take those research packets, but you can always take that up a couple of notches by making some calls and putting in that prep work because I think on the women's side and the men's side too, but specifically for these women, like, you know, there's some players on team Canada who are breaking out onto the national team at like 28, 29 years old. Like Jamie Lee Ratre has had a long journey to this point to make her first Olympic team. And she's, you know, going to be an important piece of team Canada here. And, you know, Aaron Ambrose, this is like a, you know, over a decade long journey for her to finally make her first

Olympic team. And then you've got these young players who are making their debuts, who are special right away. Like, there's always different stories and they all deserve to be told because this is it for some of these women. Like, there is no legitimate, like, there is no NHL for these women right now. So they've got their, they get their moment every four years. And I think it's really important that we, the people who cover it, the people who take on Olympic opportunities, from a journalistic or media standpoint, I think it's really important that we put the work in and tell these stories because some of them will only get one Olympics. And that's their moment on this huge, huge stage.

And, you know, I think it's important that we share everything it took to get there and, and, you know, and how important it is and how good they are. I just, I'm really, I feel really lucky that I get the opportunity to, to share these players stories because some of them are great. Like, these, these women work so, so hard to be here. and I'm excited to be able to share those stories and same for the men. We'll hear from Shane Donne, some of them.

I thought some of the college goalies just like wanting to leave to go play for their country. I think those are great stories. I really think there's going to be a lot of great content coming out of this Olympics, even though the NHLers aren't going to be there. Well, speaking of some great content, why don't we get right to it?

Like you said, I had a great chance to catch up with Shane Donne here. We did this interview a few days ago. So this was just before, unfortunately, that news about Jeremy Colleton and, and Claude Julian came down. But this is a pretty wide-ranging interview. We talked to Shane Doan about putting the team together, that leak with the double IHF inadvertently put out the team Canter roster. All of that, a little trip down memory lane to the World Cup in 2004.

So here's our in-depth conversation with Shane Doe. All right, Haley. This is going to be a real treat, I think, for our audience here because we've got Shane Donne. Longtime member, of course, the Arizona Coyotes. And now we're in the hat of a general manager for Team Canada at the upcoming Olympic Games. Shane Don, thanks for joining us on the athletic hockey show all the way from Switzerland. How are we doing today?

I'm doing great. Thanks so much, Ian. Thanks for having me on. Haley, appreciate you guys having me on. Thank you. Yeah, listen. I mean, I guess our first question, like, you guys are kind of doing this a little bit of a training camp in Switzerland leading into the Olympic game. So I just want to know kind of what's it like getting everybody together.

getting everybody under one roof and trying to run a kind of a compressed training camp here. You know what? It has been difficult. Some of the leagues are ending at different times where the Swiss League actually has a couple more games to go before they can come see us. The Swedish League as well. The Russian League's been done. So we got those guys. We've got guys from the HL.

We've got some guys from the NCAA. It's been interesting. It's been a lot of fun. Our coaching staff has done a great job. of kind of blending it all together. You know, maybe just to go back to just getting the start with this, Shane, when did you kind of know, or when was the idea kind of put in your head like this might be happening, you know, the NHLers might not be coming.

So start to get ready for this because you were named the GM of the Spangler Cup, which kind of made everyone assume like, all right, this is, he'll kind of step into the Olympic role if the NHLers don't go. when did that idea get planted? And then when did you kind of find out, okay, this is what's going to happen, start getting ready to build out your roster here? Yeah, you know what? We actually started with the Channel 1 Cup, which is a tournament in Russia where the four, so Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic and Russia, they play a four team tournament where they play against each other each in their own home country. And then they have a final tournament at the end of it all to see who's the four, the four.

country cup or something. They let us play in the Russian one. And when they let us do that, we had to put a roster together of the KHL guys. So we started looking just at guys to make sure we understood who was available and to get a chance to look at them. And then from there, we were going to go to the Spangler. When the Spangler got canceled, we had already put the team together for what we were going to use in the Spangler. So then we'd had the opportunity to look at the KHL guys and some of the guys from the Swedish League and from the Finnish League. And now we had a chance to look at the, we were looking at everyone from the NL or the Swiss League here. And when they canceled the Spangler, we were like, man, that's probably looking like they might

not be able to do the NHL. And we need to start really putting a team together of both of those teams and whoever else we could bring from kind of around the world. And how did you want to make this roster? Because you do have a nice mix. You get the, you know, an older guy like an Eric Stahl, but you're working in the Owen Powers and you're working in Mason McTavish. Did you have an idea going in as a group that we were going to bring X number of young kids, X number of guys in the middle and maybe a couple of veteran guys?

I think that there is ideally you kind of have an idea in your head of what you want, but it kind of ebbs and flows throughout the whole process. We're like, okay, well, this is actually a better situation. We might need to look at this a little bit differently. Obviously, we're ecstatic about the way it turned out with having the opportunity to have a guy like Eric Stahl come.

And Owen Powers is a special talent. Mason McTavage is a guy that we're all going to watch for a long, long time. But to have some of those veteran guys, we have Max Noreau who played on the last Olympics in 2018. We have a couple other guys that played in the 2018 Olympics as well. We were just trying to make sure that we had a good mix of everybody. But the whole point was to win.

We weren't, it wasn't like we had this plan of what we want to do and we're going to build. Our goal is to pick the best players that we could find and hope that they are the guys that are going to bring us home gold. Shane, can you maybe speak to Eric Stahl and what he's going to bring to this roster? I mean, obviously he was one of the better centers of his generation for a long time. He won gold in 2010. And you said, you know, you're excited to have him on this team and you guys would have played at the same time too. So what's that like to have Eric Stahl on Team Canada and to now kind of be his boss?

Well, I don't think of anyone's boss. I just try to manage. That's our job. But you know what? It's one of those things that he's elite. He's won the Stanley Cup. He's won the Consmite. He's done the whole Olympics.

He's won the Olympics. He's won at every level. Him and I've played on Team Canada together a couple times. And so to have him here, it's incredible. It gives that credibility that this is Team Canada. Like, you have that kind of, and I know it's put a pressure on staller, but he's the guy that the other countries look to as well. And they're like, oh, we're playing Team Canada.

Eric Stalls on that team. As well as our own guys, they're like, yeah, we are Team Canada. Eric Stalls, one of our main guys, and he's somebody we're going to rally around. And he's been here and he knows what it takes. And he's done this before. So it's really nice to have him. And we're very grateful that he said yes and was able to do it. It was one of those good days when it worked out.

You mentioned you played with Eric a couple of times for Team Canada. 2006 Olympics in Turin in Italy, you were on the team, and he was on the taxi squad. What do you remember about Eric Stahl taxi squad members 16 years ago? Well, I think you'd already won a Stanley Cup, and I was a little grumpy about that. So I had only been in the league for 10 years and still hadn't even came close. I don't think I'd want to playoff round.

So I was grumpy about that. You know what? He's a guy that, as a sentiment, as he said, he's one of those generational guys that was the face of that franchise. I took him to a Stanley Cup was a dominating player. He was a younger guy. I played with his younger brother, Jordi, the following year. And it was, it was just, they're just, they're good family.

They were talking about good breeding and good bloodlines there because they got some, those, I got to play with all, all four of them. at one point. And they're a special family. And for him to be there was unique and something that 2006 isn't exactly the one we want to remember. But at the same time, it was fun to be there. And it's Olympics, which is so special.

I know you said you got, you know, a good mix of veterans and some young guys. Obviously, we're talking about Eric. I'm curious, you know, just looking across, you know, the rivalry with the U.S. roster, I think they grabbed about 15 college players. was there an attempt to get younger players, like more college NHL prospects or CHL players? Did you find some roadblocks with getting CHL players into the mix? No, it was really the guys that we felt were capable of helping the most inside the parameters that was laid out in front of us in regards to if you're on an NHL contract. even if it was a two-way contract, we weren't allowed to have them.

The Mason McTavage was a unique situation where he'd been sent down to play on his CHL team, so we had to ask them for permission. Peter Burrell and then Hamilton, when they were great about letting him come. So there wasn't really any roadblocks, but in Canada, we have, I think, 4,500 NHL games on the roster. So, I mean, it's one of the things that is nice is that we do. It's not that we didn't go with the young guys. We went with a few that we thought could really help us.

And we went with some guys that have had great careers in the NHL and are still having really good careers over in Europe. What do you think we're going to see from someone like Owen Power in this tournament? Well, I'm a huge Owen Power fan. So I think I've known him for three or four years now. And just he's an incredible talent. I don't think people really understand how good he is. what he did for us at the World Championships

line to just this last one in Latvia, he was incredible and nothing has really been handed to him. He's had to kind of go out and work for it. He wasn't one of the guys that was chosen early on that this guy's going to be predestined as a great player. He just just kind of come onto the scene in the last year and a half, two years for some. I've been a huge fan for the last four years.

I'm just stating that, but I think he's, going to be, he's going to be great for us. He's got some guys around him, some veteran guys on the blue line. Our blue line's a veteran group for the most part, and that was important. And he's going to have the opportunity to kind of be around those guys, and it'll be good. Yeah, just to follow up on that, another young guy, and you brought up the name of Mason McTavish, and he's from kind of where I'm from in Ottawa. And I think my understanding was Shane that when Mason was contacted by Hockey Canada, it was his parents that were on the call and kind of got to share that moment and break the news. Were you on that call with that?

Mason and is that something you did with a number of players that that you allowed their family to be part of that process? You know what? I wasn't on that call. That was Scott Salmon with Hockey Canada. So Mason had just been at the world juniors and Mason's dad played over here in Switzerland and was he actually came over here and played in Switzerland himself during the 2020 year. So it was kind of an opportunity to let that happened that way. We wanted to kind of make it special for guys if we could. Some of the guys it was just that the cool call to call some friends, people that I'd known and played with or against. It always, that's a much more enjoyable call than the making the other ones. And just to kind of follow up on that, too, as we talk about unveiling the roster and announcing

it, how difficult was it? I know it was an unintentional flub from the double IHF. They accidentally tweet out your roster the day before. How did you find out about that leak and what was your reaction? Yeah, when we found it out, we felt bad because the Canadian Olympic Committee had done a great job of putting together the presentation that they did. And we wanted that to be special for the kids that got to announce all the players across Canada and to do it all that way. We'd already informed everyone that it was on the team. So they knew that they were on the team. And it was one of those things that in today's world, I mean,

And it's hard to keep anything from anybody for very long. So the fact that it had stayed that quiet for that long, we tried to stay very, very quiet just because we wanted to give ourselves as much runway as we can. Obviously, times are unique with COVID and everything that goes along with that. There wasn't like a live tweeting of the roster right before everything came out, like, you know, the expansion. Seattle. Yeah. Yeah.

I just turned my phone off for the day. I respected how committed the league was to the bit, though. I remember there was like a story on NHL.com and it was like, who's going to get taken an expansion? Find out at 8 p.m. Eastern. Just like, oh, that's all right. We found that already. Yeah, it's all good.

We're good. Yeah. One of the other questions from me, Shane, you know, I feel like, no, this isn't the NHL or is at the Olympics, which is what a lot of people wanted. But I think there's an opportunity here for a lot of really great stories. stories, this is a great opportunity for a lot of these players going to be playing in this tournament. Is there somebody else that we maybe haven't spoken about that we should really be looking out for or someone that could really kind of have a big moment on the international

stage here? Well, there's, I mean, there's some guys that have had chances in the past that are going to get another chance. You look at a guy like Joshua was saying that's getting an opportunity to play in this and play for his country. I think it's a special moment. Matt Tompkins, is a goaltender that we, that's coming that we're really excited about. Devin Levi has, I don't know if you've seen his stats and what he's done in the NCAA. It's literally ridiculous what he's been doing. Eddie has been, our three goaltenders, I think, are all, it was such a cool story because all three of them were called and were like, I want to be on the team.

I don't care where I'm at. Just let me be on the team. I want to be on this team. And we were in the process of calling them and they were calling to let us know how they don't care, we'll play in any position, one, two, or three. And so I think that was, that's something that as a, as you see the love of our, of our country and for our national program, that makes it special. There's guys up front, I'm a, I'm a big cracknell fan. I think the way that he, he plays a game, Adam Tambalini. I just, there's going to be guys that are going

to jump off the page for us that are going to have to have big tournaments that it's going to change kind of their whole, their whole hockey career and the, and the fact that they, they to win a gold for Team Canada and then be a huge part of it. I think that's special. I was curious about Devin Levi specifically. I mean, he's having a historically good season at Northeastern. I think our prospect writer, Scott Wheeler, was saying, you know, he's a legitimate Hobie Baker front runner.

And for him to be leaving that behind to come to this tournament, it's pretty big. Like, can we expect him to get in some games because he left or that was just him being like, I know I'm having a great NCAA career, but this is the Olympics, this is my country, I want to be there. I think there's a huge element of that. Like,

there's both. I think that he is in one of the front runners for the hobby, probably him and Jack McBain. Jack McBain's been having an unbelievable year as well. He's on the team. He's somebody that, I know his dad,

and for him to get on this team was a cool moment too. It's one of those, I think what Levi's doing in Northeastern is, he has nine shots. in like 19 games. Like it's unbelievable.

And we'll see. I mean, that's obviously going to be up to the coaching staff to make that decision. But that's what camp's all about. And all three of the guys, we're so comfortable with all three and we're fortunate to have that.

Did you guys as a group, or maybe the question should be, what did hockey Canada learn from the 2018 Olympics in Pyongchang? Very similar circumstances in terms of it not being a best on best, not having NHL is there. Are there any lessons, Shane, from 2018, that your group can bring into 2022?

Just that anyone can win at any point. You look at, obviously, I don't think anyone would have picked Germany to be a silver medalist at the Olympics in 2018 going into that tournament. And they were a minute and a half away from winning gold. So anybody can beat anyone, which is incredibly hard to deal with because we're going to have to beat you. you know, every single game is going to be that important. And yet at the same time, it's encouraging.

It's then every single game is going to be that important. And it's a double-edged sword. And you understand it goes both ways. And can't wait for the opportunity to do that. I guess the only one for me, I guess it's different because you're going from Switzerland. Because so we have a rivalry with our American colleagues. They have a podcast on Tuesdays.

And they spoke to head coach David Quinn. So we obviously won up them with the general manager and Shane Don. So that's whatever, but we don't have to talk about that. I heard clothes that no, though. So I'm not just going to. No, no, no. Don't do that to us. Which side are you on?

Yeah. I'm joking. I was kidding. I'm kidding. He would never. That would be tough. Oh, man. But, you know, they were talking about just the flight.

It's like a 24-hour flight. It's different because you're in Switzerland. But it's still pretty long. Like, what do you do? Do you, you know, are you a work? guy on the plane? Are you a just like sleep the whole time, Netflix guy? I don't know. I think it's so long. I think I'm going to be a little bit of everything, kind of get everything organized, get everything in place. Hockey Canada, Scott Sam and Tom Rennie, those guys, they are

incredible. They have everything organized. Tyler Dichick has everything down to like the minutiae of everything is so in place. So that part, the flight will, I mean, we understand that there's a lot when we get in that first night to kind of get everything organized. So we'll be taking care of that. But then probably I'll probably watch some Netflix. And if we can get some live TV, maybe watch a couple of hockey games or something. But, you know, it depends on what it is. Play a little seducco.

I like seducco. So maybe do a little seducco. I always do that on flights. When I get, like, bored of reading or sick of just staring at the little plane on the screen at the back of the seat, I feel like I do that. I don't know why. It doesn't move any faster. But yeah, that's a good one.

That's perfect. Have you gotten into the wordle craze, by the way? Well, I have dyslexia, so I can't spell, like, at all. And it's so, and my wife is, like, unbelievable at all of those. Yeah. And finds it funny to ask me to help. And I'm like, really, that's, that's not very nice, hon. That's kind of mean.

But, yeah, it's, I didn't ever get into that. That's why Suduco works for me because there's no letters. I can just do the numbers. side. I was a huge card guy. I played cards. I don't think I slept today or for one minute on the plane when I played. So this is a little ridiculous. So how long this flight will be. So I'll probably sleep for a while on that one. Yeah. You probably can't play poker with like 19 year old. I guess you could. Yeah. Yeah. No. Maybe maybe I can get some of the stuff. We'll play a little hearts, little spades. Maybe play little, you know, team games. To wrap this up, a couple of quick questions for you.

When I think, when hockey fans think of the greatest game winning goals to clinch a tournament for Canada, they think Paul Henderson in 72, Mario in 87, sit in 2010. They don't give enough love to Shane Dohn in 2000. Why? Thank you. Yes. I always joke about it. I do joke about it.

It's the only goal I scored. So maybe that's why. If I'd scored more than one, then I might have made it to have a little bit more influence. But that's okay. It was a third period. Big goal. Still loved it. Yeah.

It was fun. We're going to put the word out there. I don't think you get enough love. You don't get enough credit. All right. Well, you guys can start that. You guys can start that. I feel really slighted.

I get to be the GM of the Canadian Olympic team, so I'm really slight. That's tough. I'm so sorry. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I know. It's been tough. It's been tough. All right.

And to wrap it up, look, and that was a game winning tournament winning goal against the Finns in 2004. So you played at the World Cup. You mentioned you had an Olympic experience. What in an ideal world for Shane Doe? What would a best-on-best calendar look like down the road? Would you like to see NHLers in the Olympics? Would you like to see the World Cup worked in either or both? Like what's an ideal scenario you think moving forward for best-on-best hockey?

I for sure think that we should be in the Olympics, but that's just my own personal opinion. Lots of people disagree with that. The Olympics is a best part of sports, period. It's not our sport. It's just the best part of sports, period. There's no, there's nothing, there's no money, there's no nothing. It's just who's the best, and we go out there, and the whole world comes together,

and there's a respect, and there's an appreciation for each culture, and you get to see different places, and I think it's fascinating. I think the Olympics, and the idea of what the Greeks had when they started it is just phenomenal that it's carried on this long. So I think if you have any chance to be part of that, I think that's cool. And I think that's important. That being said, I am the biggest hockey Canada, like Canada Cup back in the 87 and the 91.

And I was like, that was in my wheelhouse. And I loved that too. And I was so excited. I think if there's a chance to do both, I think the more we can see that, the better. You look at the Euro when they do the Euro championships for soccer and then the World Cup for soccer, it's every two years.

I think you could do that in hockey with the Olympics and the World Cup. up as well. I think it would be something that would be special because, I mean, it doesn't get any better than watching the absolute best of the best play against each other. It's phenomenal. As an athlete, you love watching it. As a fan, it's fun to watch. So I think that's cool. The more we can see it, the better. Awesome. Well, well said. And listen, because Haley and I are from Canada, we can say, best of luck to you at the Olympic Games. We want you to bring home the gold. That's why I would do those guys as podcast. I'd only do your guys as podcast. There we go. Take that

Tuesday show. Thank you. Shane, thanks so much. The general manager of Team Canada and the hero of the 2004 World Cup of hockey, Shane Jones. Thanks for doing this. You're the man, Ian, thanks. All right. Like I said, that was a lot of fun with Shane Donne

and where that conversation ended on the recording, like we said earlier, it went on for 10 or 15 minutes. So he was great. And that's just another piece of research information for Haley Salvean when she goes on the panel. Now here's a legitimate question now. Now if something comes up that, you know, Shane Dohn referred to from this interview, when you're on the CBC panel, do you say, you know, Harner Ryan,

as Shane Done told us on the athletic hockey show, insert quote here, or do you just leave our little podcast out of it? I think you leave the podcast out, right? I mean, I think everyone knows, like, that I work for the athletes. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know how that's going to work. Am I going to quote Shane Donne or are we going to get Shane Donne on the show? I don't know.

Well, then if you get Shane Done live on your show, you can say, Shane, you know, as you told us a couple of weeks ago in the Athletic Hockey Show podcast. So you got to one time, our listeners are asking for one name drop of this podcast and it has to be seamless. Well, thank you, PJ. You know, as you bring that up, I can't help but think of this discussion we had on the athletic hockey show. That's it. It's just a nice little quick. Yeah.

Harder Ryan, excellent point. I'll bring it up, but I won't bring up you. Yeah. I didn't ask for my name to be mentioned. I'm looking for the podcast to be plugged to a national audience. Do we not have a national audience? Can we have a, like a television? This is why I,

taking three weeks off or everyone listening. I'm just trying. I'm just trying to push the pod to the next level. And I'm looking to maximize marketing, marketing stuff. Hey, right. We spent a good chunk of time talking about the Olympics, probably the biggest story in the hockey world of the weekend of Andrew Kane, makes his Edmonton Oilers debut.

And look, he signs the contract with the Oilers late last week. does the introductory press conference. I'll be honest with you, I thought, you know, maybe it'll take two or three practices and just see where he's at. They parachute him right into the lineup. He scores to open the game against Montreal.

They completely wipe out the halves in that game. Now, Edmonton's on a little bit of a role here. They've won some games. Evander Kane joins the group. He's scoring to start off with. How do we feel like this is going to play itself out? Do you think that Edmonton has turned the corner now and they're okay? Are they still volatile?

Like how do you see the Oilers right now? Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably way too soon to tell if they've turned the corner for good. I mean, it's been they're on a four-game winning streak. They've had one game with Evander Cain. It's definitely way too early to sit here and say, yeah, absolutely. Like, this is the fix that they were looking for because, you know, as we've already seen, with the oilers that, you know, their goalies can go cold or their depth scoring can go colds. You know, some, their streaks, like, that's hockey.

Like, it happens. I still, we knew this was going to happen with Evander Cain. Like, it was never a question of, is he a good hockey player? Like, we all knew that. And that's exactly why on the show, you know, two, three weeks ago, I said, like, someone's going to bite on this because he's a 20 goal scorer, guaranteed. He's a very skilled player. He was the best player on the sharks. And he was like, you know, heading into the trade deadline time. He's the most skilled player who was available on the market. So we knew, we knew that teams were going to go and get him because teams value goal scoring and they value skill in offensive production. So I'm not surprised that the Oilers signed him. I'm not surprised that he scored a goal in his debut. I'm not surprised that he looks good with Connor McDavid. We knew this was going to happen. What is it going to look like long term with him in that locker room? I don't know. I don't love,

I didn't love the interview that he did with Kayla Gray. I didn't love the, and Kayla's great. She does a great job at TSN. But I just found listening to that and listening to the media availability, like it almost felt like gaslighting. Like everything that everyone's saying about me is completely and like, you know, 100% untrue. I don't want to talk about that. Like, I think on the episode or the interview he did on TSN, he said, I just want to clear things up. And then, you know, immediately with one of the questions, it was, I don't want to get into that. So it didn't seem like there was a ton of ownership to what's happened in the past. And I don't know if that, you know, speaks to, hey, maybe we all just got it wrong. Maybe we all just listened to false

media reports, and this is going to be fine. Or maybe there is, you know, a complete lack of, you know, acknowledgement for his role in things that have happened. And maybe it's somewhere in between. I don't know. I don't know of Ander Cain. I've never been in any of those locker rooms. So I don't know how it's going to work out that way in that Edmonton Oilers locker room. But I'm not surprised that he played well. The one thing, I was having a conversation with some of the other day. And I think it's a great point. And this is a bit of an aside. if you're Connor McDavid's agent and Connor McDavid is answering questions all the time now about Evander Kane and every time he talks about his teammate,

Connor McDavid's going to get shredded on social media. If you're his agent, are you not pissed off at the Oilers for putting his client in that position? Because what is, look, I don't agree with what Connor McDavid said. I thought his response to the Evander King questions. a couple weeks ago was weak. But what is he supposed to say when it's basically already done? Is he going to shred the guy who's about to be in that locker room?

Like, it's everything's always about the we and winning. Like, are you not mad? Like, your client is in that position now to consistently be answering questions about someone? Because what is he supposed to say? I don't know. Okay, don't you think that Connor McDavid has enough sway that if you're going to add a VanderCain to your lineup,

they would have gone to him first? I think so. Yes. I don't think you bring a Vanderkain. So Connor McDavid doesn't get to play both sides of the fence. Either he was on board with it or he's not. And if he wasn't on board, Van der Kaine doesn't come to Edmonton.

Right? Like I think it's fair to say. It's much like Tom Brady and Antonio Brown, where if the guy doesn't sign off on it, he's not coming. Like there's certain athletes, I think, in team sports, LeBron James would probably have the same cachet. I think McDavid has it. Crosby probably has it in Pittsburgh,

you know, and then, you know, whatever. Pick your athletes, but if you're in that stratosphere, there's no general manager that's going to make a polarizing move without coming to you to consult first. Now, if they make a waiver wire pickup, do they go to Connor McDavid? I'm going to say no.

But if they're making a move as potentially as, you know, inflammatory as adding Van der Kaine, you're damn well. Damn sure you go to McGa. David. So the idea that, you know, oh, now McDavid's in a tough spot. Hey, if he didn't agree with it, I think he wouldn't have been there to begin with. And I think he knows that Evander Cain's his meal ticket. And they played together.

I was just looking up at Natural Stat Trick. Saturday night's game, they played about 15 minutes together at even strength. It was Kyler Yamamoto, Connor McDavid, and Evander Cain. And what's interesting is, Haley, the underlying numbers weren't very good. In fact, Edmonton didn't even play that well. They just, you know, got lucky, so to speak. And it's not like they dominated the game. They won seven, six to two.

And they didn't really outplay the haps. So what I want to see is let's see, you know, let's give it a week or two or three or whatever. But let's see a Vander Cain when the Oilers lose two or three in a row. And things start to be a little bit, you know, iffy or whatever. How is that situation handled in Edmonton? But hey, first game. They got to be happy. He scored and they won, right? Yeah, against the Montreal Canadians.

Exactly. I'm sorry. They have, I was looking this up last night. Jacob Markstrom has seven shutouts this season. The Montreal Canadians have eight wins this season. You know, like somebody brought up the point. I don't think it'll happen. But imagine if the Montreal can, like last year on route to the Stanley Cup, Haley. the Canadians won 13 games in the Stanley Cup playoffs, right?

They won 13 games before losing to Tampa. This would be the first time in history. I don't think it'll happen, but can you imagine a team wins fewer games in the following regular season than they won in a single playoff year the year before? Oh, God. I don't think it'll happen.

I think they win six more games. Five to, yeah, five to six to win more. But my goodness gracious, it is. It is dark there. Really uplifting and positive to see Kerry Price back into the equation, though. I think that was a great story for the weekend, watching them at the game on Saturday, seeing them back and speaking and all that. Like, this is going to be a good thing for Montreal fans to look forward to at some point.

But you're right. This has been an awful year. Just awful. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of people probably, like, I think we said, like, you know, there's no way this team takes, you know, a positive step. I think, you know, they were, for some teams, I think they were like the perfect example of just get in and anything can happen.

And I think a lot of fans see that. And they're just like, no, because, you know, let's just say like the Calgary Flames. Like this is a team who, you know, they haven't made big sweeping changes. They haven't, you know, gone and grabbed like a big player. They lost the Eichl sweepstakes, et cetera. And I think the Montreal Canadians are probably an example to teams like the flames, like the Sends. You know, anyone who's kind of in that middle tier of the league, just get in. And like, they're the perfect example.

Just get in the playoffs and anything can happen. Like, you don't have to go all in. You don't have to sell the farm to go and get that big player because you just have to get in the playoffs and just anything can happen once you're there. But I think they're also, like, a pretty good warning sign of, like, just because you're in the playoffs doesn't mean you're going to automatically be a great team next year. Obviously, a lot's happened since then. You know, they lost Philip Dineau and Carrie Price hasn't played this season. Cole Coffield isn't as electric as he was in the playoffs. It's a very, very, very different Montreal Canadiens team than we saw in the playoffs.

Yeah, Shea Weber too. Yeah. You know, Petrie hasn't been as effective. Yeah, go down the list. Yeah. It's not the same thing. Tomas Tatari, even though he didn't really play in the playoffs. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it's been totally different. Hey, speaking of the Habs, we're going to wrap up this Monday edition of the podcast by talking about something that happened to the HBs last week. And that was the Trevor Zegris goal. Trevor Zegris did it again. Haley, on Thursday night, he scored an unbelievable lacrosse-style goal against Montreal. So to wrap up the show, we got one multiple-choice about this question, which is simply this. Which Trevor Zegris goal from this season did you find more impressive?

Was it A, that lacrosse style goal against Montreal last week or B, that over the net assist where he flipped the puck over to Sunny Milano, and Milano batted it in out of the air for a goal, which was more impressive to you. Yeah, I think it's a really hard one, and I don't think you can be wrong. I really liked, I mean, the one to Sunny Milano was really cool because, you know, it was just like, oh, my God, what just happened? Like, there was that, like, did he do the Michigan?

Like, how did that, did he, you know, I think you watched it at first? He was like, did he just throw the puck? Like, did he just deflect it off the goalie's back and in? Like, what happened? Like, you had to rewatch it to rewatch it to really, really know what happened, I think, and even Trevor Zegris was shocked. But I think the skill level to see him do that Michigan goal, the lacrosse tile goal, completely in stride. Like, I don't know, it was smooth. Like, it was, I don't know the another way to describe it. It was just

so smooth. Like, he didn't break his stride. Like, you just pick the puck up, skate around the net, like all in one swoop. Like, I don't know. It was, it was impressive. So I think I'm going to go with the lacrosse goal against Montreal. But I think I've waffled on it a couple times, to be honest. But like I think the lacrosse goal was, you know, again, like I said, just the ability to do it in stride the way that he did. Like it looks like it was full speed. It was just really impressive.

Can I ask a follow-up question here before I give my answer here? And this isn't directed at you. This is at all of us in the hockey community. Why do we call that goal the Michigan? And I say that because, yeah, the guy's name was Mike Leg. And he played for Michigan. Why don't we call it the leg, like, or the Mike Leg? Like, why does his program get the credit?

Like, we don't, like, Peter Forsberg scored this unbelievable goal in the Olympics years ago. We don't be like, oh, he pulled the Sweden. Like, how come this guy, this Mike Legge guy doesn't get the credit? Why is it called the Michigan? It's his program. It's not the guy. the leg sounds weird i guess leg up something i don't know like no the michigan just makes sense because it was done with michigan i don't know it sounds better it's just but like you know what

bothered me you know what actually bothered me and like it's just going to seem like i'm a carolina hurricanes hater which i'm not but like last year when everyone was trying to turn it into the spatula i was like can we not can we not okay but they were going to turn it not create it He did not create that move. He was not the first person to do that move. I guess, but I was just like, no. Like, it's, no. Are we going to start calling it the Zegris?

Okay, but, but maybe, but we wouldn't call it the Anaheim and we didn't call it the Carolina. Because the leg sounds stupid. So now we're penalizing the dude for his name. Like if his name was, if his name was Smith or Thompson or Salvean, it would have been a okay. I don't know. I just think the Michigan works. It works. Okay. Well, listen, I'm going to say I like the one over the net. I think that was cool just because we've never seen that before. I think that's the cooler one out of the two. We've never seen that before. We've seen the Michigan one before, but we've never seen that one. So to me, I kind of feel like what Milano and Zegra's

did in that game, because we've never seen it before. for, I felt like it was a little bit more impressive. So I'm going to give it the nudge or the nod. And at some point here, maybe we can get some answers in our comment section. Can somebody explain to us why it's not called the Mike Leg and why it is called the Michigan? That's all we're asking for. It's all I'm asking for, really. I don't mind your explanation, Haley, that you know what?

leg is a weird name to work with. I get it. But can somebody explain to me? Do you at least see my point? Like there's a legitimate point here, right? Yeah, sure. Okay. That's, you know what?

Coming from you. I think you're irrationally upset about this. Yeah. Because I think you know, you know that I, I think you hate the fact that you know that I have a point. You're like, damn, he has a point and I can't quite fight it. So we'll leave it there. I just don't. I just don't care.

I just don't care. The Haley Salvean motto has come out one more time. All right. Hey, we do wish you, though, safe travels to and from Toronto. We are going to be, we're cheering along because we are. We're really proud of you for this opportunity. We know you're going to knock it out of the park. So we're excited to watch you get that exposure that you deserve.

And just remember, one little reference to the athletic hockey. show. Just slide it in at some point, especially if you know it's going to be like a re-aired at four in the morning or something like that. Just slide it in there and give a shout out to our listeners here at our little show. Yeah, we'll see if it happens organically. Organically. Like Hartner-Rion's going to say, by chance, does anybody here work on a podcast? Yeah, that's not going to happen organically. All right. But hey, safe travels. Do you at least have have a like but there's there's there's no in-between with flights either you fly out at like 7 a.m. or like 7 p.m.

There's very rarely to get like a 2 p.m. flight. What's your what's your what's your what's your itinerary here? decent flight or no. 8.30. 830. Yeah. Yeah.

I wish every flight left at noon. I would feel so much more relaxed, you know? Just leave it noon. Yeah. Why? Why can't every flight. If your flights at 830, we all know we're not getting up at like. Seven.

Get to the airport. Like, it's, yeah, way earlier. Are you one of those dads who, like, if your family's flying somewhere, you make them all leave, like, four hours before a flight or something? That's not one of those dads. It's all of the dads. All of the dads are like that. I still remember, like, flying to Florida as a kid to visit family,

and the flights at, like, noon. It's, like, 6 a. It's like, all right. Everyone up. That's 100%. That's 100%. That's me. Dad vibes.

Gotta make good time. That's a huge. Yeah. It's a huge thing. And you just sit at the airport for three hours. Why are we here so early, dad? And then every so often you mumble, well, I'd rather be waiting on this side than stuck in the line up for security. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Trust me. I know. I know. All right. We'll leave it there. But hey, safe travels we are. We are super excited for you.

And maybe at some point in February, maybe we can sneak you on. on as a quick guess at some point. Get a little Olympic update from you. Yeah, I'll check my schedule. Okay. That sounds like a firm maybe. All right. We're going to leave it there.

And we want to remind our listeners here. Actually, we have a new athletic kind of hockey-related podcast starting this week. It is, our colleague, Arthur Staple, is launching a brand-new New York Rangers podcast. It is called The Garden Faithful. It launches this week. Tuesday, in fact, February the 1st. Make sure you check it out. You can follow along the new podcast,

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