The Athletic Hockey Show - The Tuesday Boyzzz 'America Hockey Awards'

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

On the season finale of the Athletic Hockey Show, the Tuesday Boyzzz, Craig Custance and Sean Gentille welcome Shayna Goldman from The Athletic and present the second annual end of the season awards, including the Craig Custance Memorial Award for excellence in being out of the lineup for half the season (and maybe not returning at all next year), by an American player, the Colby Armstrong best dual citizen award the Sean Gentille award, to the US born player with the highest on ice average, the Best American player on an American team and the Tuesday Boyzzz leadership award, for the most respected podcast guest of the season, also known as: whoever you actually paid attention to and interrupted the least.We hope you enjoy our show with even some analysis on Alex DeBrincat, Matthew Tkachuk, the Lindgren boys, Jake Oettinger, Ryan Suter and much more.Have a great summer, and a safe and healthy happy new year! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the athletic hockey show. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. Come one, come all. This is the annual tradition in which we conclude the Tuesday Boys, the Athletic Hockey Podcast show every single year we've been doing it. Sean, how long, I mean decades. Not true. Not true.

Years. Incorrect. It's the award show. We've done it once. This is the award show that you, the listener, came up. with because again, Sean and I have no original ideas. This is the Tuesday Boys America Hockey Awards.

And these are the awards that you, the listener, proposed. And we decided the winners. We decided the nominations. Oh, but Sean, not only we have some great ones this year and we're going to bring back some last year. We have Shana Goldman joining us

to basically critique our picks this year. Hi, Shana. Hi. I'm here for the live analysis of the awards. It's like my favorite role here. I like that analysis is just, it's just shit talking.

This is great for me. This is what Shane does best. Nobody actually wants to vote on awards. No. Even when it's the Brian Rolfsky Award for Underappreciated Defense Minter. I want to vote it. I had more fun picking these

and any PHWA ballot I've ever filled out in my life. I will say that. Didn't have a ballot this year. I was psyched. I had mine for the first time this year. And I was like, oh, now I'm in the shoes of everyone else's. I make fun of everyone else's picks. That's right.

Also, special announcement, this is the last episode of the Tuesday boys ever. Make an official right there. I don't know. That was a really dramatic way of prefacing it. I don't know. You keep like, yeah, this is it probably. I'm hedging it like 5%. Well, you know, you never want to say never.

But this is so, so really, this has just been an honor. And a, what is it, are you supposed to say when... Privilege. An honor and privilege to be here every single Tuesday for you, Sean, and the listener and all the Americans out there that wanted more American coverage at the Athletic Hockey Show. Every Tuesday. Every single week without fail. I was like...

Definitely not for... They called me the mailman. That's what they did. They called you the mailman because you, uh... Mailed it in? Yeah. Oh, no. I was going to make a really off-color car.

Malone joke about some horrible things. He's done in the past. We're not going to do that, though. Let's not do that, Sean. Let's keep this positive. Hey, hey, buddy. Yeah. We're going out as, as the last episode with you getting sued by Carl Malone.

And then if you wanted to return, you actually can't. So you just made it. You really wrote your exit ticket for real. I'm just going to burn bridges on the way out. Just torches. Then the fans can't be calling all summer. We're being like, please come back. Don't let this be the end.

Like, you're like, sorry, I can't even hear you. So before we get. to the awards that the, that listeners nominated. I did want to throw out one that I wanted to nominate because there was some news that I'd actually like to talk about. And we don't have to spend a lot of time here because I know this is an evergreen show that people are going to listen to all summer and re-listen to and just play it, you know, at their cottages and on their boats.

But burn on to CDs. So they have physical copies of it. Flash-rides. Share with their families. Yeah, like this is historic. But I wanted to create the award. is the Matthew Kichuk Award for Best American who essentially orchestrated a trade out of a Canadian market into a much better situation and then signed an extension. And the candidates,

the nominees for this award are Alex DeBrinquet. Sean, the winner is Alex DeBrinquet. Wow. Can you believe that? It's a shocking. Congratulations. Can Chuck not be up for it? Because it was last off season. Like, what is our cut up? Yeah, this is for this season I could have nominated Matthew. I feel like he should have been in the award. He had was the last off season

unless we never know where the lines are drawn, right? Like which off season is what category? Well, I mean, this I'm sure this will be in a Oh, that's fine, by all means critique. I'm assuming at least half of the people on the Zoom call did a trade grade on this one. I don't feel like this was an A minus C plus situation. This felt like a clear winner to me.

I mean, on one side of it, we have to give. It's a clear winner. On one side, there has to be a clear loser, doesn't there? Yeah, this one, this one, I thought this was, if you look at what the senators did as a whole, and maybe that's not a fair way to grade a trade, but, you know, the, the price they paid and then the price they received, I mean, I just thought this was great for Detroit. I think the only criticism is, are they ready to be making these moves, the Red Wings? So maybe that's the question, because we've been analyzed.

the trade ups, left and right and center. Are they at that point where they should be trading for players in a four-year window or whatever? Yes. Yes. He's 25. He's 25 years old. It's not like we're saying like he's four years of a 30-year-old. He's 25.

He's not going to be dead in four years. He can extend if he's good. 29 is dead. No, it is not. No, it is not. Okay? Yeah. It is not.

I don't know. I see, remember you having a birthday pretty recently that would probably make you think differently about that one. No, I've been told that 25 is like the new 30. No, 30 is the new 25. No, reverse. It's reverse. So he is basically 20 years old right now.

In the NHL or in real life, you say? No, in every life. Forget the NHL's aging curves. We're throwing them out. They don't count. 30 is young. I feel like there's a lot of personal bias coming into this discussion. 30, flirty and thriving.

Yeah, 30 flirting and thriving. I'm old enough to remember when analytics folks didn't want to hear anything about anybody older than 24. As you're resident analytics person, I'm saying it's all crap now. We don't. I'm spoken. Okay. I was, my favorite, like, 2011 analytics hobby horse was that shot quality didn't exist.

That's one of my favorites. The award for flawed analytics cases. That was before 2011 was kind of before my time in hockey analytics. So I was graduating high school then. So, you know, I Got to drop that bullshit on it. I have to feel young because now we're saying Alex Brinkett's ancient.

I don't need to be like in one all day. I'm upset about that. I mean, you could really crush myself right there. So we're in agreement. Good move for Steve Eisenman. Right price was paid. I even think the contract's reasonable. There's a chance and this never happens with these deals

that he outperforms it. I mean, just, I think. I think high marks all around. Do you want to try to win games while Dylan Larkin is still good or not? That's it. That's kind of what it comes down to. Like is Dylan Larkin the window or is it after he starts to decline? I feel like it's in between, right?

Like I feel like you're not going to be good. The whole Dylan Larkin contract. But if you committed to him and that deal, like you're not paying for that deal if you don't think you're going to be good at all, like in the next couple of years. You kind of have to. They're set up to be with some breaks and some luck. they could be pretty good in a couple years.

And they needed to be better than, you know, on the fringe of the playoff race until the bottom falls out for the third straight year. It's just no choice. And like where else will you get good place? Like they've done the free agency route the last two years and you're getting good supporting talent, which is fine.

Like that's what you do in free agency. You're not going to be like, let me build my team through there. But at a certain point, you have to build your team elsewhere. You have a million trade assets. Like they should not be done though is the thing. Like that I think is like the biggest takeaway of it all.

like this is the right move, but you still have to do more. You're not good enough yet. You can only overpay injure or whatever, pay a premium on injure cop and J.D. comp for so many times. Like you've got to go out and get elite, elite pieces, man. It's just, it's not going to work if you don't. I will say this. Like, and I'm maybe sensitive to it in Detroit.

Like, there was some frustration about what the Red Wings did in free agency, about not landing bigger. And I'm like, that is not where you want to spend your money and your assets and your cap space. Like, those deals never work out. So I like supporting cast and free agency. acquire the stars and through draft and trades and you can do it and you're right they they're they shouldn't be done but good start so let's get to the awards the real awards the

awards that were nominated by the listeners Sean I'll let you lead off because we've got a lot to get through buckle up everybody just want to say I'm glad glad to be here presenting these and we have little statues that we made up we're going to send to all our winners. Congratulations of that. You can't see this. You just have to trust us of this one. We have like really nice gold statue. Super nice. I'm holding one right now. You can't see it. But I'm holding one up. They're really nice. They're really nice awards and they're sitting just out of frame. All right. The Craig Cousins Memorial Award for Excellence and being out of the lineup for half the season and maybe not returning it all next year by an

American player. Thanks Taylor Rage for that nomination. Our nominees are Max Patcheretti formerly of the Carolina Hurricanes Alex Galcenaeuk in Alex Goligowski For being out half the season and maybe not coming out at all coming back at all next year but probably

The winner is Alex Galcensiuk Oh wow! I thought this is going to be Max Patcherty in an upset Wow Max Pat Match Cash ready is definitely coming back next year. Alex Goligowski definitely coming back next year.

I'm not sure we're going to see Alex Gensiuk in an NHL uniform ever again. He's had such a strange career. So, like, honestly, let's give them what we can because... We need to celebrate Alex Gelschenyuk as an NHL player while we still can. So congratulations to Alex Gajnuk. Congratulations to Craig. You two are linked in immortality forevermore because of this award. Salute.

On behalf of Alex, I would just want to accept this award. So this is one of the players that when he was drafted, he was number three overall by the Canadians in 2012. And I loved this player. But then I felt like I was constantly writing stories about, is this year he's going to break out? We're switching him to the wing. We're switching him back to his natural position at center. He likes center better than wings. The coaches like him at wing better than this.

Like rinse and repeat for a decade. And it never. He played on, he played on good teams. He played on bad teams. He played on bad teams. He played on contenders up and down the lineup, different positions. Just give him more minutes, give him more power play time. Give him better line.

Like I feel like he has gotten, I don't want to say every excuse in the book, but like every rationale, like he can be better if. He can be better if. And like we do that with certain players, but sometimes I feel like when you commit so hard to Galchenyuk, which I think literally all of us probably did at some point being like, he will be good. He like takes our credibility away from like the other players.

when we say it because you can easily be like, didn't you say that about Galchian York like five minutes ago? He's the guy to me, based on the scouting reports coming out on him in 2012. Everybody was worried about it. It was like, yeah, he's skilled. He's this. He's at people worried about his skating. Like, does he have the high-end skating ability that you need to succeed? And I remember back then thinking, like, you look at the production, you look at the skill.

Like, he can probably make it work in a meaningful way, not just as a guy who has, you know, a 10-year career where he, plays for a bunch of teams and make some money. Like, I thought that that was something he could overcome. And in his case, you know, he was, he overcame enough to be a regular NHL player for a while, but not really do anything of them now. So, salute. Next award, I believe. Yes.

This one is me as well. Yeah, sure. I'm not sure who suggested this one because I didn't write this one down. It's the Velvet Pipes Award, also in memory of Craig Custon. Rest in peace. A moral award. Best Voice on a podcast guest overall. Well, no, we have a paired, we have later rewards that are similar to this.

This is not the later award. This is just the one that, yeah, this is just the best voice on a podcast guest. Okay. I don't even know this one. Great. Really? Okay. Well, way to pay attention.

The nominees are John Hamm, David Quinn, and Chris Tarion. Oh. Those are three, three real. really good Epps. An apology is a David Quinn and Chris Tarrian, but Ham was ever going to lose this. Immediately you think, oh my God, am I going to be the boom goes, the dynamite kid.

Is that going to be what I sound like? And it's easy to sound like that. It really is to really get tangled up. And the way the guys do it, they make it look easy. And it's not. We ported your to signature home run call, the, bye. Bye.

But I said that when we When we're playing golf It was Barry Larkin Barry Larkin was not Not happening I was like no Geez all right You nose sold you

Barry Lurkin Yeah really I was like come on Lark It's cheating I'm gonna say this award Is fraudulent by nature Because you put an actor In this award

While everybody else Are merely Regular citizens in the hockey world And that is David Quinn Orachier And we will not stand for it Oh, wow. He's a nice voice.

He does. He does. He was nominated. Why do you think he was a nominee? Like, the guy sounds awesome. Shana, John Ham was a guest on the podcast in the calendar year. That's like a humble bread. There's no, I had nothing to do with it.

He had jack shit to do with it. He didn't help. He wasn't around for it. Didn't help. Had nothing to do with it. John Ham, I would listen to John Ham. I love when he's a guest on podcast that I listen to. it's an automatic listen.

Is he a guest frequently on podcasts you listen to? Because I'm like, I'm an average podcast listener. I've never heard him on a podcast. He'd like randomly, it'll be like this week, John Hamm, I'm like, hey, good. Another John Hammond. I guess I'd listen to a lot of like comedy. I mean, he's not on a lot of hockey podcasts. I'll say that, Shana.

I just asked him shit about like Fletch and like random things. That was a great job, I mean. Really getting a brass tacks on that one. Okay. Congratulations, John. I'll email you. The trophy. The trophy.

This next one, I'll take this one. This is the Colby Armstrong Award for Best Dual Citizen, which goes annually to the best on-ice performance or the best painting of a bald eagle in your basement, or wherever Colby was recording, for a Canadian-born citizen. So this is the Colby Armstrong Award for Best Dual Citizen. And the winner is.

Colby Armstrong. Congratulations to Colby for winning this. Colby was a great guest. He is, I'm glad he, I've never seen somebody so proud to become an American. And if you listen to that episode, we talked about him taking the citizenship test or whatever it is you have to do to become, I mean, I was born here. I didn't have to do any of that stuff. And what I liked best was Colby said Sean and I would do way better than we think on the test about the presidents and the national anthem and all that, which I appreciate it, Colby. So thank you.

That's why you went. Is he correct? No. Probably not. I feel like people have to study, though, definitely know this so much better than us. Like, it's the same thing as like someone who like converts religion and they're like the expert on all things and you're just sitting there. Like, you've known it your entire life. And you're like, I did not know one percent of these things.

I compared it to if you tried to do like the learners permit exam, like for your, for your driver's license now where they really nail you on like, you know, technicalities and, and, uh, and all that and all that sort of stuff. I couldn't do it. Like passing, like passing distance and all that sort of stuff. No way. Never. I haven't had, I haven't had to think about this stuff in 20 years. Like, I don't cares. Congratulations, Colby. I will be driving up north to drop this. in person. It's driving with a ton of driving skill because he has so much driving experience he doesn't need of permit test anymore. A B minus driver. I'm one of the only people who's willing to admit on this planet that they're not that good of a driver.

Doesn't happen often. Everybody thinks they're great. Everyone thinks they're like the best driver around. Not me though. All right. Okay. Before we get to our next batch of announcements, or not announcement awards,

we're going to take a quick break because I'm getting dragged into a meeting but I didn't see coming. Right now. Yeah. Like literally right now. So we'll be right back. We are back for the second segment and the continuation of the awards.

No guess in the second segment this week, but Shana Goldman to critique all of our choices here as she was in segment one. Let's jump right into it. There was a lot of nominations that would poke fun. I would say good naturely, I would think, at my absences. It wasn't good nature. It wasn't good nature. I felt like it was done with love. All of the criticism of me never showing up in recording.

Thin line between love and hate as a famous man once said. Who said that? It was the title of a movie. Okay. It's probably some guy in that movie said it. It was a Martin Lawrence movie. Martin Lawrence said it. Okay.

But. Till Bart Lord said it. The award that I'm going to be handing out next is the flip side of this one. So it criticized me all you want for missing episodes. Because I was working, though, folks. That's what they all say. I didn't want to do the show. I was working.

I had stuff to do. Gosh, I always feel like I have to defend myself on this. This is the Sean Gentile Award for the player with the highest on ice average. This is the award that goes to somebody who showed up every week, sometimes twice a week. I don't know, oftentimes. Every week, twice a week, yes. Is that true? Sean, it was like Cal Ripkin of the athletic hockey show.

There we go. Never missed a shift. Never missed a show. Multiple recordings each week. Amazing workout of Sean. So this award is the Sean Gentile Award. It's actually the Ian Mendez Award. It is.

Oh, I should dominate Ian Mendez. To the American player with the highest high ice average and who had the best season, didn't miss any, any, didn't miss a shift. The nominees. Jason Robertson, Dallas Stars. We should have had him on as a guest. Kyle Connor. We're trying still.

You never know. Kyle Connor. Well, Sean is trying still. Get it right. I'm not trying. Sean, you should get, you should have Jason Roberts out next year. The stars love us. They love us.

Joe Pavalski. And Adam Fox. This is the Sean. Gentile Award for playing the most and playing the most effectively. And our winner is, oh, I want to give it to Joe Pavelsky, but it's not. I'm opening the envelope. It's Adam Fox.

Holy cow. You guys love Long Island today. Amazing work from everybody. It's a Long Island podcast, everyone. Let's go, Rangers, as I've always said, I've spent my entire life saying that. Go Rangers. Love Adam Graves. cool guy definitely definitely didn't hate him for my entire childhood have you ever interviewed him I hope you do one day

on behalf of Adam Fox you should someday that would be that would be a really good one get him on the show what look at him on yeah this is this is the only choice for this award right I mean I think I would have Shannon who'd you vote for Norris you know Adam Fox

uh Hampas Glenholm and then Cam McCarr. That's who I had third. Camel McCar. I had Eric Carlson 4th. And I know people are going to be like, wow, what a homer?

But like, listen, I go by the numbers. That's okay. I was so torn on Fox versus Lindholm because I feel like they are like the embodiment of like the all around defensemen this year and they're both like very good. But then like my tie break was honestly quality of teammates. It's reasonable.

And I'm honored to be included in that group, frankly, with Adam Fox. I, you know, by association, am now on the Adam Fox. basically an elite defenseman. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We're about the same height. Way to go, Adam.

Way to go me. Yeah, congratulations to both of you. Sean, I believe you're up next with the next one. Also, before we get too far, like a little bit farther into it, Robert S, shout out to Robert S. He was the Velvet Pipes Award question or the vibe. Thank you, Robert. Category inventor.

So, thank you, buddy. The next award goes to, it is, of course, one of the most prestigious in the chamber here. The Jake Ottinger Award for Best American Goal under the age of 25. Ah, this is an annual tradition, unlike any other. As you may remember, longtime listeners, last season, the Jake Ottinger Award did not go to Jake Ottinger and went to Jeremy Swindman. So our nominees this season are Jake O'Doneman. Gottinger and Jeremy Swamman. This is the year.

Wow. The award goes to the Jake Gottinger award. For the first time in its history, goes to Jake Gottinger. Wow. I think you got to give it to him too much of a time. I mean, Swamman was great in the minutes he played, obviously too much of a time share of going on with him in Boston. So it goes to Ottinger. It's a big moment for Jake.

This feels fair. He was very good this year. True starter for the first time ever. Big moment, big moment. Mm-hmm. While being young and American. And you may ask yourself, why were there only... Not that young anymore.

Everyone's old now. Old is the new young. Why were the only two nominees? People may be wondering why they're only two nominees. It's because there weren't many other good options. Definitely, Levi, we should have been the third. But he was... He played for 15 seconds.

He's like a nice write-in for next year already, though, unless, you know, somehow ends up in, like, the AHL and whatever. You got to play a little bit more to win an award this important, this prestigious. So again, congratulations to Jake Ottinger. Congratulations to his mom and dad. They seem like nice people. It's a big day for the family. This is Jake Ottinger's first time winning the Jake Ottinger Award.

And also, it will be his last year of eligibility. He's a 1998 born. So that would make him 25 years old when the award will be in. ended out next year the Jake Ottinger award. I believe that is also the case. I believe that is also the case with Swainman, too. So this one seems like Devin Levi's to lose. You had to give it to say,

Eaton Jor this year. Like, you really aged him out, and that would have been super rude to someone that you honored an award after. Like, couldn't be me doing that. I think we came up, we came up with the, with the category, I feel like, during the playoff. So it was like he was doing what he, you know, stand on his head against Calgary. And we're like, yeah, that's what the award name should be.

and then you realized that on balance it should have gone to swing last year. Anyways. I thought it was fair last year. Last year, it was fair. It was fair last year and this fair this year. This next award is,

is, I would say tangentially related to the Jake Gondry award. This next award, tangentially? No. Tarantula? Sean Gentilie related. Shentatillie.

This is the Connor Helibuck Award who, who has for many years been great on bad or average teams. Michigan Native, good guy. The best American goalie on a terrible team. Connor was not eligible for this. Jets were too good this year. So good for the Jets.

They were okay. They were just like, you can't say that they're terrible. Yeah, that's sort of the dividing line. The spirit of this award, whoever, this is from last year, So this is a carryover. It was terrible team. Our nominees, Alex Steylock,

John Gibson, and Charlie Lindgren. Ladies and gentlemen, your winner of the Conrad Conrilla Book Award, it's Charlie Lingrid. It's got to be. Friend of the show.

Friend of the show, Charlie Lindgren. I was not expecting him to get this. I thought you guys had out of respect to John Gibson and maybe his last year of eligibility. Who's to say? not me, I don't know Well, he's going to be traded to the penguins

As we write every year I don't, people need to stop saying that Why, why don't we like the idea of John Gibson To the Penguins? Why aren't we manifesting that? I'm not sure if John Gibson likes the idea of John Gibson to the penguins Well, it was a really close

I was just counting all the tallies on this Charlie won by hair Also, interesting, the capitals weren't terrible for a large portion of the year, and then they were pretty terrible when Brian McClellan just said We're hunting. They were broken first.

We're going to hit the button here. Big reason they weren't terrible for you know, at least for a chunk there was because of Charlie Lindgren. He came in and had a great month and kind of kept them afloat and pulled them back from the brink at least once. And then obviously that didn't hold.

But it did earn Charlie. One of the greatest accolades of his professional. career, no doubt. Yeah, I would like to, uh, on behalf of Charlie, uh, thank my family and, um, Alex Ovechkin. Shout out the same. Shout out the St. Louis, Charlie Lindgren says, because I'm Charlie Lindgren. I'm from St. Louis and John Ham. Shout out to John Ham. Emo's his own. Wait, isn't he from Minnesota? Charlie Lindgren? He may be. Like, it, you know what? There's really no way to say. His brother is from Minnesota. Is it? Mm. Are they brothers? Yep.

Charlie Lindgren is from Minnesota. Yeah, I'm like, well, his brother was born there. Did their parents move in between? I don't know. So I was like, am I missing a storyline? I feel like we know this. Charlie likes to shout out St. Louis, though. We know that about him randomly.

No one knows why he's always shouting out St. Louis. Didn't he play for the blues, like before the Capitol? That might have been why. That might have been like. There's just a, there's some, like, solid backup goaltenders from St. Louis. again, don't know who it is. The next award. Oh, Sean, you have one of my favorite coming up soon.

But this one, we'll keep it moving here, is another tradition here at the podcast. Brian Rufalski Award for Underappreciated American Defenseman. Brian Rufelski, who upped and retired and was never heard from again. Have you heard from Brian Rofalski? I haven't. I haven't. You haven't. Am I bitter?

No. that's like one of those that's like one of those little tells like a little tell like he was never heard from again that means you try to call him a bunch of times and he didn't call back it's a great story he just decided to stop playing hockey with like 10 million dollars left on his on his contract whatever that last year was seven and a half I don't know he he that killed the wings too and it and then it sent them into a spiral that they maybe have never got to brink it yeah they're out of it now the results this year are going to be amazing you hear it you heard it here first. They're out of it. The curse of Brian Rolfsky has finally been broken. Nothing to do with anything else. During the break, I read Max Baltman's story about how, hey, they may be able to get 90 points this year because of this trade.

And that got a team in the playoffs. So the Brian Rofalski streak is going to be broken. Our candidates for the Brian Rofalski Award for Most Underappreciated American Defenseman, Mikey Anderson, that's a good one. John Marino Jacob Slavitt Slavin Yes we As we thought he was

Slaven He was an original Didn't know he was American until There's some good It's a good story there And Kandre Miller And the award for the Brian Rolfsky Underappreciated American Defenseman

By a hair Is John Marino For a great season this year It feels like everyone appreciates Slavin now, so we have to take them out of the, you know, it's like Aho and Slavin at what point is it kind of like, we actually appreciate them the right amount. John Marino. That was exactly what I, that was exactly what I said when we were going through the, when we were going through the category and trying to come up with, with the nominees. Slaven is appropriately appreciated. He's really

appropriate, he's really good and everyone knows it. John Marino, though, it's a good pick because the man plateaued, he really did. And now all of a sudden look at him thriving in New Jersey. everyone's favorite state. You know, it didn't appreciate John Reno's Ron Hextall. You know who probably would have appreciated John Reno, Kyle Dubus coming up being like... Probably Kyle Dubus. Thanks, Ron. Is he allowed to undo trade?

You're right. Yeah, that's actually... It's going to be one of those things that where like every couple years the NHL just does something unilateral and insane, like penalizing backdiving contracts and whatever. That seems like it shouldn't be allowed, but they hit the button and say, like actually you can do this now. Or like go to ownership be like, can you like someone just has to pause ownership like right for the like before the deadline. Why did not, why did someone not go to like the penguin management be like, you know what? We're going to stop this now.

This is. This is it. Right. Like who is it? Was it? Peter Sherelli got fired like a minute day after signing the cost of getting contract. Someone didn't jump in and be like, you know what? Don't put pen to paper. You've had enough. You've been over served. Please leave the bar. Marino was great this year. Pittsburgh would. Yeah, I think Dubus would cut off a Cut off a toe or two to have him back in the fold But, no, we are It's fine, we'll get Eric Carlson

Congratulations to him Congratulations to John, congratulations to Mr. Marino Who's an interesting fellow I thought Mikey Anderson deserved Maybe a little bit more... I'm going over the ballots right now He showed up on several He's good

He has nice contract to award himself Nice top pair roll That's like good for him But did he need to bounce? back this year? Did he need to fix his reputation? I don't know. We'll never know. All right, you're up, Sean. This is one of the big ones.

This is one of the big ones. We're getting we're getting down to the this is like in the Oscars when you start seeing Best Supporting. Yeah, we're getting to the big ones. Fly off the board. The player you thought was American, but was not a.k.a. the Julie K. Award. She was,

this is. A.k.k.a. the K. McCarer award for me. He's my he's my classic. I'm still. Are we sure Kail's Canadian? I think Kail Makar is from Calgary is a thing that's been hammered into everybody's brain enough over the last year. Has he ever said yaha? Yeah. Or is he saying, yeah.

I don't know. Just like everyone, just like everyone from Calgary is this stampede going on right now? It's like when they pretend that they're. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the thing right. I saw Julian posting about it. It's happening right now. It's not.

Spoiler. The player you thought was American was not, the Julie K Award. Our nominees are Adam Fantilli. Does he count? He said even in the league. I just wanted to say it because I thought he was American until I saw him playing in World Juniors. I'm pretty sure he is American. You can win it next year if he decides to not be American.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe he'll be up for the dual citizen award. Who knows? Kent Johnson, forward for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Owen Power, defenseman for the Buffalo Sabers, which I think we still... Basically, if you played at Michigan at any point. I need to see... I think I assume you're American.

I need to see the birth certificate on Owen Power. In a controversial nomination, whenever I went over this with my co-hosts here, Lucas Raymond of the Detroit Red Wings. Ah, you thought he was American? Two things. Two things about Lucas Raymond. Yeah, go ahead. Thought he was at least North American for a while.

And it takes every ounce, we've talked about this on the show before, it takes every ounce of like, of brainpower to not call him Mason Raymond. I want to call him Mason Raymond. I've typed it before. It's just one of those things when guys have the same names. And if it was a guy that was playing 10 years ago,

I just default. I default into calling on that. It's similar to the Chris Tanna, Brandon Tanna thing, where it's turned into a real problem. But that being said, the winner of the Julie K Award

is Owen Power. Give it up for Owen Power. That's good. That's good. Of all of these players, he's like the actual nominees, he's the only one I actually knew is Canadian. Like Kent Johnson, I had no idea because it's the NCAA trick.

Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. Kent Johnson, I think Kent is a bit of a tell. Kent to me is a very Canadian name. See, like, that's not the vibe I get from the, I don't get Canadian, like, Braden. I'm like, oh, and Brent, yes, but Kent, I'm getting like country club vibes, like snooty American vibes. Yeah. Sorry, Ken's.

That's fair. Sorry, all Kent's out there. I apologize. I don't, I would love to see. Is Kent a country club name? I don't know if it is. It's just like, it's like a 56-year. old man name for sure.

I'd like to see the popularity of Kent like year over year here. Like with the, there can't be too many 19 year old fans running around. I need a chart of the Kent name popularity. Oh, those are like my, those are my favorite things because you can see when people were like, okay, this is it. My

grandpa's name was, you know, whatever, Lou. So we're not going to name our kids that anymore. We're still waiting for Craig to peak at any point in the chart. It never has. Just low. See, that's an American name. Craig?

Very American. Craig. Yeah. Is it? I feel like it is. I've decided it is. I feel like... So here's Owen Power's career path. The Mississauga born,

Native. Mississauga native. Okay. Shout out to Mrs. Saga. Shout out to producer Jeff. Yeah, producer Jeff. Owen Power went,

this is why you may think he's American, played for the Chicago Steel for two years in the United States Hockey League. Mm-hmm. Then he played at the University of Michigan for two years. And then, of course, was taken first overall by the Buffalo Sabres. He's been in the States for, he may be a dual citizen at this point.

I think the last name. The last name probably has something to do with it, too. Power? Power. It's not Owen politeness, I'll tell you that much. Owen, sorry. Also, if you're a fan of Middlebury College, Owen Powers is an American from Connecticut who played hockey. Middlebury. That's just like one of those

those like Northeast schools that you know, a kid you didn't like in high school into kind of like Wesleyan or whatever. It's like rich rich assholes to go there when they can't get in Ivy League schools. That's literally where my brain went so I'm glad you said it.

Yeah. All right. What's next? Coming up next, I've got this one. This is the Phil Housley Award for Best Minnesotan. Now, I don't know, I don't remember the origin of this award and why we're highlighting Minnesota, probably a nod to the Russo Army. Every once in a while, we just pander. We just pander to the Russo. Every once in a while, yeah. Occasionally on the show. I think it's a little more than every once in a while, my boy. Just, you got to keep the,

keep the Army happy. That's all I'm trying to do around here. Like, hockey central because we don't have the center of the universe Toronto in the U.S. we need to make up our own. So we're trying to manifest Minnesota to be something. It is. I mean, it is. Minnesota versus Toronto is the ball like we've been waiting for. Oh, man.

The nominees for the Phil Housley Award for Best Minnesotan, and it is Minnesotans, right? I feel like we had that debate last year. We were talking like Michiganders. Minnesoters. Minnesotabergs? I think that's it. The nominees are. Brock Nelson, Casey Middlestat, Ryan Lingren.

Oh wait, Ryan Lingerin's from where? Minnesota, you say? Where's this brother from? He's from St. Louis. Oh, my gosh. That's why I really was confused. Brady Shea, the fun thing is my kids got into Saturday Live this year, so I showed him that Brady Shea, the let's do the hockey bit. So they thought that was really funny.

If you haven't seen it a million times, like all of us have. So they thought that was really funny. And then I was somewhere and I like cross paths with Brady Shea and I was excited to tell Cormick. I'm like, hey, look, there's Brady Shea, the guy that this is an actual person that's on that Sarah Lack scale. Did you explain to him why the sketch was funny and how it isn't the reason that hockey fans actually think that it's funny? Say, hey, hey, Cormac, I got to tell you something about this. I've got to. The Joe Care is that this sport is inaccessible for black people and they, and there's no, and there's no fan base and there's a ton of people who don't know shit about it.

I think you picked up on that. He's a smart kid. Also, he liked the e-sports one better. There's an e-sports one. You know that he was someone I watched playing college. And then, you know, I had like really shitty feed. So I never had the sound on because, like, it was terrible. So I knew who he was because he was a ranger prospect.

And I couldn't say his name for the life of me. I thought I was like, Schegh or something. And then when I found out it was Shea, I felt like the biggest idiot because I'm like, it literally said the same way as my name. And I just couldn't get it. That's actually, yeah, that's actually how you spell your name. That's how I spell. That's why all my fantasy.

names. It's like, Shay my name. You simplified it, but how it... I Americanized it because I'm an asshole. On the birth, on the birth certificate, it's S-K-J-E-I-N-A. Yeah. N-A. Wow.

Also, Shana broke the Brady Shade of Carolina trade. I forgot about that. It's all coming together. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot it. Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. It was like a minute ago. Listen, I'm not like cool and sleek, like everyone out there, all the hockeymen.

I'm the person that tweets something. It's like high anxiety. It doesn't matter. It could be like something I'm like, I know this for a fact. And I'm still sitting there like... You know what the solution that is? I know. I know.

That's the shot to the solution. Hey, I know a bunch of stuff, but I'm not telling you. It's better that way though. I'll just keep it to myself. If you want to know, ask me. But I'm not offering it up on threads. You'll offer it up on threads. That is like a guiding principle of not just,

my professional life, but my life overall, like, if they wanted me to know, they'd have told me that. I like, I like waiting now. I like the patience and waiting for, like, something to be out there, let everyone digest it, and then just, like, re-spit it out in, like, a gossip girl tone. That's, like, the new vibe. Like, I don't want to, no, I don't want to break something in riddles. I just like having the riddles after the fact that people, like, ask me questions and try to understand what I'm saying. Like, they didn't understand Queen Bee was Brendan Shanahan. Like, come on. plausible deniability. You're baking it in there, too. I see, I see what you're doing there. Just trying to have a good time.

And the winner is. And the winner is the Phil Housley Award. A lot of Brady Shea talk. The winner is Ryan Lingren. Ryan Lingren, who replaced Brady Shea in the Rangers lineup on the left side. Who knew? I mean, was it a straight replacement not quite but still? The trophy is coming home to St. Charles County or whatever. I just want to congratulate Ryan and the whole Lingred family just this has been a great episode for the Lingrens.

They have been. A lot of, a lot of hardware. I gotta say, I wasn't expecting to have this much Lingren talk on the American Hockey Awards. I was expecting some.

The people of that, you know, the rating spike when we talked to, we got, producer Jeff said, hey, working more than talk. He really bleeds for this. So, you know, you have to give him his due.

He can't go through a game without like getting a cut. Very funny. I know. I picked up on it. Next award from Seth M. The Boston Accent Award, the best Boston accent to appear on the podcast this season. You know what? This is a really hard, this is a really hard fought award.

We have three outstanding contenders here. We have Greg Cronin, coach of the Anaheim Ducks, to the point where Max mentioned, he brought up his accent in the interview. I don't know how much Greg appreciated. Max did? Yes. That doesn't sound like Max. I agree.

Was it really that thick? I heard it was a great interview. It was good. You didn't even listen to it? Geez. Guys, hasn't listened. You have no idea how it checked out this guy is. It's crazy.

Next nominee, NHLPA head, Marty Walsh. We talked to a few weeks ago. Pretty thick. David Quinn, head coach of the San Jose Sharks. I think, I don't know if we had him on twice in this. calendar year or in this in this in this in this fiscal year 22 and 23 it is oh the it wasn't the choice in the fiscal year yeah I didn't know not in the calendar and Brian Boyle who's pretty pretty understated but it comes out when it comes out it comes out hard that being said

the winner of the best Boston accent to up here on the podcast is I'm so nervous Greg Cronin oh wow congratulations That is an upset win, too. I thought Marty Walsh was going to be it. Who was the favorite? It had to be Marty. David Quinn's accent's not near. It's like him and Mike Sullivan have that like Massachusetts.

They talk the same. Yeah, vibe. But I don't get like hard Boston enough from either. Yeah. Quinn and Sullivan are friends and have been friends for a long time. They kind of look alike and they kind of sound alike. They're like two. They could be, they could pass his brothers.

if you really had to. But yeah, it... They could not pass as brothers. I'm sorry. I think they could. Oh, absolutely. I think they could. Couss?

I'll say cousins. Okay, first cousins. Aren't they, are they, I mean, Quinn's a Rhode Island guy. Maybe that's the difference. Like, Rhode Island has something... There's just like a gruffness to Sullivan. I feel like that Quinn does not have it all.

Yeah, Quinn's a nice one and Sullivan's the mean one. Like, that's a dynamic. Anyways, the winner here is, is Greg Cronin. If you guys have... haven't listened to that interview, I would say to go back and go back and give it a listen because it wasn't just about the ducks. Like he was just, he was just interesting on player development in general. I want to hear the accent now. I actually want maybe I'll listen because I'd like to hear this accent for like, I'll give it a quick play. It was strong enough for Max, like I said,

to be like, wow. DDP brought it up. He kind of used the joke that I was going to use on Marty Walsh. Let's give it a listen. This is where producer Jeff drops it in. He's definitely not going to do that. I know the world tour continues. You're heading over to Boston and talk to some of those guys next, right? That's that's where you're headed after all this. Yeah. Yeah. You're not from Boston, are you? I'm a native. No. I had a good guess. I had a good guess. Wow, that was, wow, that was really thick. I'm surprised Max said that. Really surprised. Max was supposed to be on this podcast, and this is what he was going to accept this award, I think, on Greg's behalf. Um, so off this

that Max had to go to the Eisenman press conference following the big trade that's going to vault the Red Wings to the Stanley Cup final this year as we've established. Into the 90-point stratosphere. Way to go, Detroit. I'm going to be Florida Panthers 2.0. Just make it baby. See what can happen. Let it rip. Craig would like to thank Max for highlighting his accent and for Sean for asking such great questions in an interview that I heard was amazing. And we'd like to thank you. Thank Seth M for suggesting that one. Good one, Seth.

Is that the last one before break, Sean? Nope, there's one more. It's you. From Emily. There's one more. There's me. From Emily L. Oh, I like this one.

This was the, this was Emily L. nominated this one. And this is the Johnson Award that goes to the past their prime American player. In honor of Jack Johnson and Eric Johnson. to longtime American defensemen who keep on playing, probably a little bit past their prime.

I don't want to say that. Maybe they're not. We don't know. Are we sure? We don't know. That's their past their prime. They're pastur prime. I just feel bad.

They're going to hit that 38-year-old ramp when guys really dial it up. I don't feel bad. I don't feel that for Jack Johnson. The man has Stanley Cup rings. We have dunked on him forever. He has gotten so much money for being Sidney Crosy's friend, and he has Stanley Cup rings. I feel no pity.

No, nobody should, and people need to move past, like, him being the hobby horse, like, joke, like go-to joke name. It's hacky. It's like, it's like, when people, it's like, it's like, it's like saying nickel back is, like, a bad band. At some point, you need to just, you need to just move on and come up, come up with a new bit. Those guys have had admirable careers. They've had a lot of success. We want a lot of money. You love it.

Same, same thing. Except Nickelback's Canadian, right? we have to talk about Creed then it's Creed and Jack Johnson they're one and I think they're both American I'm just sensitive because these are if we're talking about Jake Ottinger or whatever making you feel old I feel old because Eric Johnson and Jack Johnson these are all the guys that I've been covering forever on this guys are those guys those guys are my age so if they're past their prime then how what does that make me the nominees Eric Johnson two-time nominee

Jack Johnson, this is his first time nominated for the Jackity Johnson Award in Ryan Suter. Ryan Suter, coming on strong. He really made a pretty good case for himself during the playoffs, baby. Yeah. Could you imagine getting bought out twice? Because that's what it felt like people were trying to manifest for Ryan Suter this year. I'd love it. I mean, listen, if you could make your money that way?

Could you imagine being the next general manager to sign them? You can't give them term, or you do. and then you give him a third buyout. Like, I need that NHL career. $900,000. He's getting passive income from two other NHL teams. We love it. And the winner of the Johnson's Award as nominated by Emily L.

Ryan Stewart. Wow. That came, I didn't see that coming. Holy cow. Congratulations to Ryan. This is his first time winning the Johnson's Award. First time really being in the conversations for Pallster Prime, really, maybe not the first it's been you know following the buyout a fine career for

Ryan Suter but certainly on the twilight and that is our last that's our last award before the break yeah before the big one's the best picture coming up next we got the two biggest awards that we hand out every single year on this podcast this is as always the only good segment on the show the two big awards here on the American Hockey Awards 2023 Folks were starting out with the big one. Best American player on an American team. Wow. Wow.

Are three nominees? I thought there were four. I have four on my sheet. Four? Okay. I'll read three and then you can go with whatever the fourth one is. Okay. Because I didn't write it down.

Florida Panthers superstar, Matthew Kachuk. Yeah, very much a superstar. He was on People Magazine. He's a superstar. The face of the NHL if you asked people. He's a breakout. 100%. Why'd you ask?

Yeah, that's rude. Why do you hate Matthew the Chuck? I think it's hard. I think it's hard for any hockey player to be a superstar. I don't think, I think there's probably two in the league right now. Matthew Chukhuk is going to prove you wrong. Matthew Kuch and Austin Matthews? Maybe.

A best American player on an American team. Matthew Kuch. For second nominee. Future guests. I'm sure we'll be able to get him at some point, Jason Robertson of the Dallas Stars. Third nominee, former guest, actual former guest, Jack Hughes. And Craig has another one that you want to tack on here.

I feel like I know the fourth. Adam Fox. Adam Fox is the fourth nominee. I think because he already won an award, Sean might have thought he was knowledgeable, but that's not part of the rules. I thought Joe Pavowski was in this one. You can win multiple awards.

You can also lose multiple awards as David Quinn. He did today. Oh, jeez. In the fifth nominee, Joe Pavelsky. There, I can do whatever I want. He's not nominated. We've had a number. And he's definitely nominated.

I just nominated him. He just nominated him in he won. Just like that. The best American player on an American team for the 20, 22, 23 season is. And the sixth nominee, Dylan Larkin. So seventh nominee, Alex de Mavis. Eighth nominee. I'll go.

Wow. Werenzky. Fine. Yeah, I was just going to, like, you got the last two, you stole them right from me. He knew I was going to say those. Congratulations to Matthew Kachuk. Non-superstar. Oh, wow.

Dim non-star. Just a little cloud in the sky, Matthew Kchuk. He's a former, he's a former guest, too. We've had, we've had a lot of these, at least two of the three actual nominees on. Therefore, they're the only ones that should be in the one. Jacob Truba. Yacob Chuba? Yeah.

Jacob Juba. Jacob could have been. He was a former. Matthew Kachuk, what a season he had, breakout. Breakout in terms of legal, like recognition everywhere in the world. It seemed like there was this moment in time where he was everywhere. He was on the New York Times front where we wrote about him daily. People magazine.

I think he was on Rolling Stone covers with Eddie Vedder. That sounds like a superstar of me, Sean. cover. I don't know why I hesitated there, honestly. Whatever. Like, I think about when he got traded, too. Like, none of us were, we were all doing other things and we all, like, literally jump back.

Like, that's right about him. Because he was a super star. Yeah. We were pumped. Absolutely. That was a Saturday. That was a Saturday night. I wrote that on the way home from a Met Game in the car.

I was like screaming in the car. Like, I'm surprised a weekend off. Definitely, like, definitely, like, put down a drink to go, to go write that one. This is everything we expect it from. Matthew Kachuk, right? Like, this is, this is the fulfillment of, I would say, and more. And more. Because I, like, I think we all knew he was elite, but it's he, like, MVP caliber.

Now he is. Did it away, did it away from Johnny Godreau? I think that was a big, big question answered. Man, you made, you made hockey feel pretty relevant in South Florida, which is no, no simple task. Got, and he got, and he got shoutouts, you know, in a, in a mainstream, you know, larger impacted culture in a way that we rarely see from hockey players. He showed you can have a personality. This is a no-brainer for me.

That's what I was going to say. Like, it's okay to be interesting too. He's cool. Everybody. He's not like, we're pretending this like super vanilla player has like a thought in their brain that isn't like hockey 24-7. Like, he's a vibe. He has like the whole package.

He's actually, he's got, he's got some, he's got, he's funny. He's got some charisma and like the dude, the dude has it. We'll see if anybody takes the right lesson from that. No, not in this league. I have a... Either you're born with it or you're not. That's 100% man. That's it.

He's got that... He's got that tool in his toolbox. To be cool. And it wasn't repressed out of him like all the Canadian players that were just told to, like, don't get noticed by anything you say. You know what I mean? Like, it was okay in the Kuchuk household to stand out and be interesting, clearly. But don't do not.

Absolutely do not. Do not drink too many Budwisers at your brother's hockey game. don't put them in your pockets. Don't walk upstairs with five drinks and be the center of attention. That is where we draw the line. I'm furious about that one still. Justice for Brady. I'm never going to get over people.

What are you mad about? He was having a great time. He's the reason the flames lost. Nobody was seriously mad about this, you guys. Nobody really was seriously mad. This was a lot of people saying, hey, Brady should be allowed, Brady should be allowed to do this. Nobody was really mad about that.

No, we were all furious because the flames literally lost. We had a battle of Alberta that should have been like a total banger. was five games because the flames fell apart, all because Brady's fire was put out. It was extinguished. I'm very passionate about this one. It is true. I'm going to keep relitigating old arguments from last, from last year.

Let's bring up, bring up some other shit, too. The last award, the final award, as presented by Greg Gustavs. This is the Tuesday Boys, 3Zs, Leadership Award for the most respected podcast guest of the season, aka whoever we actually paid attention to, aka whoever we interrupted the least. This is a award created by Yardena. And it's my favorite award because Sean and I like to talk over guests often.

And each other. And each other. And we want to show how funny we are in the middle of answers oftentimes. But occasionally Some would say Not us Not us Not us

Like bad Bad broadcasting Hygiene for In an interview show It's perfect for The American version of the show It's the American way

The Canadian show could never Would never speak over Never No See how I just talked right over Sheena It's okay I did it to

Because that's what we do We're supposed to It's like inner blood But every once in a while A guest comes along and Sean and I sit back and A, we're respectful I think you know where this is going because if you

listen to it but we have a few candidates B we ask, we prepare and ask good questions and C always always questionable too by the way sometimes it happens sometimes it doesn't of preparation spotty. An honorary candidate

for this he didn't make it as a nominee but we talked about him was Bobby Holie because in retrospect we did talk over him a lot because we had so much fun with Bobby. We all wanted to talk at once. But this is an opportunity. During that interview this year, we talked about a book that he participated in about the Cold War and hockey.

And that book is out. So I just wanted to shout out the authors, Ethan Schneider, if I remember correctly. Sorry if I screwed that up. The book is Freedom to Win, a Cold War story of the courageous hockey team that fought the Soviets for the soul of its people in Olympic gold. So that's my plug for that book.

because we talked about it, came out on July 4th. Bobby's dad was on the team. It was a really cool conversation. The nominees for the Tuesday Boys Leadership Award for the most respected podcast guest of the season, aka whoever you actually paid attention to, aka who you interrupted the least, NHL executive director Marty Walsh,

Chris Tarian, and Brianna Decker. Who I just talked to a couple days ago? And the winner is this is the most distinguished award you can win Marty Walsh

wow Marty Walsh he's an accomplished fellow Marty Walsh is perhaps his greatest accomplishment is limiting our our bullshit to the questions

that we asked and the follow-up questions that his answer is elicited it's wild It seems like he's kind of disorienting listen he's like built for that you know

and I feel like if you tried to talk over him he seems like someone who's like prepared to just tune you out and just keep going. So it's like... He's a professional, professional arguer. And he's... That's a good career.

Professional arguer. I like it. I mean, isn't that what lawyers are or whatever? Yeah, but, you know, that's like boring. He's done cool things with it. Shout out to Chris Tarion, too. That was, I think that's... That was a good talk.

I think what stopped... What stopped Chris from taking home the award is that there was... a lot, it was conversational. Like there was a lot of reciprocation. The two of us were going back and forth, but the subject matter was important and a lot of fun. And I love that talk,

but I think, you know, it was more of a two-way street. Like, I think, I think with Marty, we got the hell out of the way for the most part. Yeah, it was great. So congratulations to Marty and the NHLPA for the honors.

And this is a little bonus. This is a little bonus edition. to the award show that we're going to tack on at the end here in the spirit of our final segment because we'd like to give the listeners who comment an opportunity to have a voice. And this comes from a request from Greg I and Michael Kay, who in honor of this being the final Tuesday boys show, requested that producer Jeff gets some air time. Here's Greg. Greg writes, can we actually hear from producer Jeff if he actually exists, which

we don't know, does he? Have you met producer, Jeff? Actually, we just saw him in Nashville. You did. Greg wants to know what you cut from our podcast, Jeff. And Michael Kaye just wants a little bit of insights on the Tuesday boys. Behind the scenes look at the making of the show and the bullshit he has to deal with on a weekly basis, mostly by lining up replacements for me. It's true. Yeah, that is, that maximizes most of the job. That. That and, And trying to bring one of you down while the other talks over the other. That's a huge part of it. And just making sure that Canada is represented well fairly. You know, like the exchange rate Canada to U.S. is properly communicated.

That's basically what I do here. What's your favorite Canadian holiday that we make fun of? Is it the Queen's birthday? Oh, well, that's got to be a, that's got to be up there. But honestly, I think my favorite one is, it's got to be a tie between Canadian Thanksgiving and real Thanksgiving. Oh, that's right. That's a boxing day. Yeah, we do that.

Boxing day is a brilliant, brilliant holiday here in Canada and the UK, the day after Christmas. We do it right up here for Christmas, like how you guys do down south for your Thanksgiving. You do it right on Canadian Christmas, which takes place on December 11th. We all know that. Is Boxing Day when you fight each other after? Is that when you fight people at stores to return stuff?

Like after Christmas? Yes, that's when we fight. You don't fight for the gifts. Do you fight for the returns? You're opposite of us. Yeah, we just give them back. And we don't even need our money back. We're Canadian.

It's fine. It's okay. Sorry. You only get 70% of your mind, Jack. It's an exchange rate joke, folks. Producer Jeff, how many slacks did we ignore were you like correct us about a province or you, you know, we just plow right through it? And every once in a while, then I'll look after the show and there'll be like 10 slacks from Jeff where it's like, that's actually Prince Edward Island. Yeah.

How many slacks do you ignore? I would say, all of them, including one that I sent. earlier when we talked about Matt Kachuk getting dealt to Florida from Calgary. And Shawnee said that it was a Saturday night. It was actually a Friday night, Sean. Okay. In late July. It was a drinking night.

We were all very prepared to write that. So you can see that communication in the Slack a couple hours from now and ignore it. Oh, okay. We will do. Is there any to the spirit of the question, do you remember anything cutting out? that you had to just put on the cutting room floor. My favorite that we assumed you cut out, there was a conversation a few episodes ago

that just went on for another 15 minutes that someone called the best 15 minutes in podcast history that I assumed was not part of the podcast. Oh man, one was that, yeah, and we just kept it rolling. Yeah, which guess was it? We just kept going and going. It might have been Barry Trots. But, Jeff, you don't cut, you don't do too much cutting, do you?

No, I don't. Honestly, no. No, just when Sean says something incredibly inappropriate. Possibly. Possibly, they could lead to legal issues for me or the company. That's right.

Yeah. So we want to protect our boy. And why can't, why can't? Yeah. That's, that's probably about it. And then honestly,

guys, that doesn't happen that often, you know, once or twice a show. Well, Jeff, once or twice a show. A segment. We just want to thank you for your heart.

work, this being the last episode in all. 95% done for Sean and I. Don't start with you. You are the heart of this show. You put in the hours necessary so then Sean and I can just have a good time. I work too. Let's just say that. Oh, my gosh.

Just give you five seconds of like credit. Wait a second. I can honestly say, I can honestly say like I got to work for the alternative rock station in Toronto, you know, got to meet Dave Goral and Trent Reznor and Noel Gallagher and play like the best music on air and in clubs. And I got to work the dream job for any kid up here that wants to get into broadcasting at Hockey Night in Canada. But this one at the athletic, with you two guys specifically on Tuesdays, is my favorite show to do. And no offense to the Wednesday guys and Rousseau and the Leaf Report, but it doesn't feel like work

with you, fellas. Never, never has. I agree. I was hoping you were just going to go, I had a job where I worked with Dave Grohl and Trent Resner, and that was great. That was a lot better than this one. Yeah, that was awesome. Just remember what I said for my next review, okay?

Boss man, Constance. That's right. That's right. Well, Jeff, it was great. Sean, great working with you, bud. Yeah, I'll talk to it later We'll never talk again As you know, the only time I talk to you

If we're recording and we're producing content I'm gonna thank Shana Goldman For joining the podcast today Shana, great work as always Thanks, total honor. I'll call you in a couple weeks To just chat as promised, yeah, yeah I'm just gonna ask you how the weather is and stuff You can still complain to me about things, Shana

I'll make a list Okay Great stuff I believe it Also, don't forget to subscribe to the athletic hockey show on YouTube. That's YouTube.com slash at sign the athletic hockey show. You fix that? There's got to be an easier way.

I know. I should fix that. And it's a character. It's fine. Literally, it's the character. Lots of characters. You can follow us on threads. At.

I don't know about that. Can you? Are you on there, Sean? You can follow. You can, you can, uh, DM. Maybe they'll pop up in your feet at some point or another. Well, sucks.

Be sure to do that. And a special thank you to everybody who gave, um, Canada, who gave awards here, all of our, all of our listeners who came up with all the great awards. All of our listeners who made segment three, the best segment.

The only good segment. The only good segment. It was so good. So thank you for listening. Thank you, everybody. Sean will never talk again, of course. Talk to you never, dummy. Happy New Year.