The Athletic Hockey Show - The US-Canada hockey tournament everyone should want to watch, Hall of Famer Marian Hossa's new book

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

The band is back together, Craig and Sean discuss the World Cup of Hockey being delayed yet again, and how Hockey fans in North America can get their international fix if they hold a United States vs Canada tournament. Hockey Hall of Famer and Stanley Cup champion Marian Hossa visits with Craig and Sean to promote his book 'My Journey from Trencin to the Hall of Fame' which looks back on his storied career with Ottawa, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Chicago ahead of his jersey retirement in Chicago next week. Subscribe to The Athletic Hockey Show on YouTube: http://youtube.com/@theathletichockeyshowGet a 6 month subscription to The Athletic for just $1 a month when you visit http://theathletic.com/hockeyshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. Hey, everybody. It is reunion time on the Tuesday podcast. The band is back together, Sean. No Max Bautman today. Thank God. No, Joe Smith or whoever. It was just Max.

Only Max said no this time, or said yes this time. It's Craig Custin's joined by Sean Gentilly on the Tuesday American edition of the Athletic Hockey Show. favorite day of the week. And boy, is this a good show? I mean, maybe our best yet. I mean, we haven't recorded two-thirds of it, but I can already feel it. It's in the air. The best part is the second segment, because we have Marion Hosa. Because it's Marion Hosa Week at the Athletic this week. Marion Hosa joins to answer all the, this was, if you want to know what this interview was like, it was all the questions Sean and I have ever had for Marion Hosa, and we had them captive on Zoom.

And we're like, he's here to promote a book, so he has to answer whatever we say. And it was great fun. Were you surprised to see that he wrote a book? How about that? As someone who was around Hosa a lot. That was my first thing. But I was like, of all the athletes I've ever covered, he's pretty far down people I expected to want to tell the tales of his career.

Did Scott Powers like bully him into it or something? I think we tried to get into that, honestly. Like, is this the Powers? Does he got, does he have dirt on you, man? How did this happen? But he's like, again, I don't want to give away from the interview. Then he just would randomly drop things like, yeah, I wrote a book. Then I, you know, I did a different version, you know, for home.

And also, I'm in charge, I started a company and I have 250 employees. And that's what I was like, maybe I didn't know Marion Hosa as well as I thought I did. Yeah, that's what, that's what tips you off. You know, Craig, I never, I never thought of it. sometimes you got we just don't know these guys you know this is this is a positive example of maybe this maybe this guy isn't who I thought he was versus the 1,000 examples where you're like oh this is a terrible human being that I liked this is the outlier where like

Marion Hills had turned out to be more interesting than we thought as opposed to some kind of monster or sex pest or whatever yeah so good for him so we'll take the wins or we can and enjoy it and it was great Like, it was just, it was fun because, you know, Marion was the first hockey team I ever covered. I think one of the first interviews I ever did. Actually, I remember it. I was sent as like a kid into the Thrashers locker room after a game to ask him about the Brian Barard eye injury. Oh, my God.

That's like, that was like my first ever, like, I was just like this GA football writer. And they're like, hey, you know hockey. We're doing something on like injuries. Was it like the thrashers traded for this guy who almost, who basically blinded somebody? So you should go talk to him. And they're like, they're like, hey, there's a guy named Marianosa. And I'm like, okay, writing all this down. And he's like, he comes out of the showers.

And I'm like, hey. Hey, hey, Marion. Do you remember the worst day of your life so far? That was pretty crazy. You want to talk to me about it? Then I'm like later on in my career. I'm like, why didn't we ask any of? Like our actual hockey writer to do that a little bit of work.

Why'd we send the, why'd we send the 20 whatever year old kid who didn't know any better? They sent you in there to shovel shit. They didn't want to do it. They don't want to ask him that question. That's like the classic, like the beat writer begs off. So you send in the GA or whatever. Yeah, or the columnist can come in and take some swings because the beat writer doesn't feel like that. That is, that is insane.

So we've got off to a great stuff. our, Marion and I in our work. I wish you would have brought that up. Oh, I had forgotten about it until just now as we were talking. But that's how far back it goes. And he was such a pleasure to cover. Like, you know, these are the things I remember. And stop me if I've shared this.

But like when he was traded, again, that was my first year on the beat. It really didn't know what I was doing. But I really wanted to get in on the breaking news. And like, you know, that's where you make your chops as a reporter. So I knew he was going to get traded. I wanted a piece of that trade in any form. And I set up shop in the Marriott, Chateau, whatever in Montreal where the team was staying. And in the lobby, and as people were leaving, like I was tracking who was coming and going to see who got traded by the thrashers.

Two things happen. One, Pascal DuPui comes down out of the elevator. And the trade, it just happened. And Pascal's on the phone. and all we hear, you know, TSN had broken on whatever the show, I'm not sure it was Bob McKenzie. So you guys had known, you guys had known that we was part of the trade? No, we knew it was Marion Hosa to the Penguins.

Oh, man. And that was it. It was like in that, it was like five minutes before the deadline, Hosa to the Penguins, where everyone is shocked. And I hear, ding, the elevator, elevator walks in. And here's Pascal Dukui on the phone. And I'm like, I go over. I'm like, hey, I'm trying to get to confirm anything to like add

myself into this story in any possible way. And I'm like, hey, do you hear about Hosa to the Penguins? It's like, I'm in that deal. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So then, you know, I don't even think it was tweet. I was writing in the comment section of the blog that I had as a B-Rour. There's no Twitter. And I'm like, Pascal Dupuis in the deal.

And that got picked up. And it was great fun. And Marion, who, again, was very pretty, like, quiet and kept himself. I'm like, before it went down, I'm like, if I can get yourself, I just want to be able to get the first comment from you. And I'll leave you alone the rest of your life. which is a lie. Yeah.

Flash forward, it's 2022. And we're like, okay. So I call them at it's 3 o'clock, whatever the deadline is. And, you know, he picks right up, gives me what we'd kind of prearranged. He's like, you know, happy to go to the penguins, looking forward, whatever it was.

Thanks, Marion. Have a great life and career. I'll never talk to you again, I promise. And got that in the store. It was just this rush of what you love about being in media and chasing news. And he was just so, such a pro and helpful to a dumb kid. And now, you know, here we are years later and he's in the Hall of Fame.

That was, I was in college for the host of Penguins trade. That was a big, that was a big deal. I was visiting my friends who went to Virginia Tech. So it was like, and it was, I feel like on a weekend, is that possible? Because I was definitely, I was either there for a weekend or there when I shouldn't have been. And it was like, it was like Christmas, honestly. It was a big deal. Everybody was upset about Angel Esposito going back to Atlanta.

That's right. People were like, oh, boy, they'd give up, they'd give up Angela Esposito. And they also got some spare part back along with Marian Hosa, which turned out to be Paso de Pui. So it was, that was a, that was a wild one. Ah, that was great. So we get to relive all of that more in segment two. Yeah, with current. I think that current segment one.

Yeah, goodbye, everybody. Yep. our interview with current Slovakian food service magnate, Marion Hosa is next. Also, Sean, do you have any thoughts on the Hall of Fame? Hall of Fame inductions went down. Yeah, don't care. Oh, don't care.

Oh, okay. That's a personal flaw of mine, I think, is that the Hall of Fame induction ceremony is just something that I couldn't care less about. Like, whatever interest I have, whatever capacity I have, whatever capacity I have to care professionally, personally, whatever, that is exhausted by the time the class is announced. That's when I think about it by the time we're in Hall of Fame week and I'm just like, I'm over this. I don't think you're alone in that. And so I know, like, when I was at ESPN, we would, if we were writing about the Hall of Fame class, we would do these big takeouts and we knew

we had to publish them like a month before the Hall of. Like, the one year we waited to actually publish these stories the week of or whatever. People were exhausted. They're like, I get it. I don't want to hear about, you know, Rob Blake anymore. So we were like, okay, we got to run these out, like at the start of the season when this hasn't been discussed. And then by the time, this was like clockwork, the night of the thing, I would get with

Pierre, whoever, and we would do a look ahead to next year's club. Like, people didn't care about the class that was conducted that night. It was get on TV or get on whatever and talk about the class of that was time. That's one of those annoying things that's that you think is true and is also kind of borne out by the numbers. It's like, like readers, audiences only really. They care when the class is inducted in mass. Like that's a national story. But when the ceremonies actually happen, it turns into local stories.

Like you're writing, you know, even if you at ESPN as a national writer ostensibly, you know, you're not writing things specifically for. or, you know, the Ottawa senators or whatever, right? But that's what those stories would turn into. Like, local folks care about Daniel Alpherson being inducted or the Siddins or whatever, but it doesn't register on a larger scale in the way that, you know, the actual announcements happen. So, yeah, I just don't. It's tough for me to, it's tough for me to care about.

Like, I get that it's a big, it's possible to do good work. I thought Mendez did a great job in particular yesterday. He got, he, like, actually kind of broke some. news with Daniel Alfredson. So, all good. But personally, I'm just like, I'm done with this. We can move on, whether it's next class or the next thing we talk about. Like, it's, I don't know, I don't know why that is.

I don't know if that's like, like, maybe if I was from Toronto, I would feel about, I would feel definitely about it, but I'm like, let's move past this. Do you think, well, we're already in this, I don't even, I'm not even going to extend this because we don't care that much. Here's what I want to talk to you about, Sean, before we wrap up this. segment is they bump back the World Cup of hockey that will never be played or, you know, with this constant, like, I think every story about World Cups are about it being delayed in some former fashion.

And in my lifetime, I think there's been one, which is a lot of fun. And I love covering it. But so they bumped it back a year. And that's all fine and good. We'll keep doing that until the end of time. I, producer Jeff said, or maybe it was you mentioned, Elliot Friedman saying, hey, in the meantime, maybe we should do a Canada-US, you know, rivalry series, get the Canada, you know, the men's team, then we'll get the women's team. We play a best of whatever and have it out.

And we think, Elliot's about halfway there to a good idea. Yeah. Why are we limiting it to yes, here we go. To best on best. Like maybe is that going to, that might be the hurdle, by the way. That might be team saying like, no, we just want it to be true best on best. We don't care about that. What we want. Over 25 men, under 25 men. There's four teams right there. So you have the older American players versus the older Canadian players. You have the younger Canadian players versus the younger American players.

And then you have Canadian women versus American women in their own tournament. And are you telling the UA teams? Of course, the UA teams. And then are they playing, does the UA teens, do the U8 teams play the old men? Like, I feel like someone could get hurt, Sean. How about, okay, so I got to set up the bracket, right? We got to see how this works out. But maybe the winner of the U18 series takes on like the loser of the consolation game.

Like that's like, right? How about that? I think you just put them into a round robin and everyone plays everyone. Everyone plays everyone? A, because, I mean, these U. Like, the UAT, like these are some, I mean, it's, these are stars. and they're a year away from playing in the league anyways, half of them. Throw them into the mix.

The only thing I would wonder, I like the idea of having multiple teams playing against each other in this U.S. Canada series. Please do this. Whoever's in charge of the stuff is at the PA in the league. Just please do a version of this. I'll say this too. If you think this isn't showing up in a post in some form on the site, you are you follow this up. You don't know me. It's happening.

Do like do a ounce of report. Like, see, I would check with like the PA and just. be like, would this be anything you consider? Is this at all possible? And you know what? And you know what? Even if they say no, I'm still doing it. It doesn't matter.

Yes. I used to like, Gary Bettman would say, you know, I write these things that I would be like, there's no, like, why do you even write? And I'm like, because it's fun. So even if there's no chance, you have to do it. But also my only thing, I like the under 25 team, Sean. I just, all my life I've been hearing about, oh, the Canada B team can be the USA team.

So maybe we do that. Go ahead. put your B team together, Canada. Let's go see how it looks against the USA team. Go A and B, A and B. Disseminate the players however you see fit GMs of each team. But I just, I want to see this played out in real life because I've been hearing that all my life

that the Canada B team would beat the USA team. The problem is the problem would arise if that actually happens. Oh, I'm not saying they're wrong. I am. Bullshit, but never not in a million. years. You've got second line center, Austin Matthews. What are you talking about? I know. For once, now that Eichl's going, I mean, we're talking about next year, but all of a sudden, down the middle, it's not, you know, Sid is super old now. We've waited them out. I'll tell you something,

Sid sucks. He's not good anymore. Imagine how bad he's going to be in a year or two. Get him out of the pain. Yeah. We've got the kichucks. We're now thrown into the mix, just to, You can even split them up if you wanted to, one on the A, one on the B, make them captains. I don't care. There are. There are. There are. Jason Robertson, superstar.

Yep. Superstar. Established superstar Jason Robertson. The center depth is final, is finally interesting. Philan. Dillon. Jack Hughes, like. Jack Hughes like, like, God, like, just, just think about that.

Matthews. Eichle. Larkin Jack Hughes Tage Thompson This is the Checking line center Tage Thompson

Let's go It hasn't been since like Pat La Fontaine And Mike Madano Like this is This is it We can divvy them up We can put together a B team That actually has centers

Yeah that's what I'm saying Like you don't like You don't bring Like Tage Thompson As a first line center on the B team Like that's it would be something like that go for it. And if nothing else,

the USB team would beat the hell out of those U18 guys. I'll tell you that. We got to think through the U18. So, Sean, if nothing else, this gives you a little bit of thought exercise for your next column for the www. theathletic.com. Slash slash NHL?

Yeah. I think there's something there. Elliot planted the seed. And sometimes, you know, like, when that happens, you know, Elliot planning the seed might be somebody saying, hey, we kick this around behind the sea. I don't know if this has happened in this case.

But like, sometimes you throw things out there that you know are actually being discussed. I have no idea if this is the case because Sean's going to actually do a little bit of reporting on this. I'm going to make them. But I think, or not, I think, I think this would be a lot of fun.

And then the women, you know, you have the women, which is the best rivalry in sports. Yeah. As the, you know, the top bill here. It's great.

I don't think that this is something Friedman floats if there hasn't been at least some discussion about it, personally. 2024, you can do this in September. Could you do it? How can we wait, do it in September next year? Yeah. I mean, the World Cup's never going to happen. What are you calling this thing? Rivalings.

U.S. I'll tell you what is. It's not going to be called the Canada Cup. No. We're past that. We're past that. You're past that. Oh, my God.

Do you think that's, do you think that, sincerely think that that's not something that they would try to push through and turn into like. Call it the Canada Cup? Call it the America's Cup. Is that taken? Isn't it sailing? I was trying to make a sailing joke. Yeah, it is. Oh, sorry.

Yeah, I think this needs to happen. Also, you know how like in youth sports when like the least. Little League team goes to the next level that are, they're allowed to grab the best player from like the bad Little League team. Yep. I think you should have a roster slot or two for each of these teams where you can pick up any non-Canadian or American you want and have a draft. Any Euro player.

Yeah. This can happen. There's no reason it shouldn't happen next year, which is why it won't. We're just here to boost league revenues, everybody, and get the cap back up. Because that's what people care about, you know, that's what fans want to hear. Raising revenues, that's interesting. How much money the NHL makes is of utmost importance to the average person. It's something everyone cares about and can't get enough of it.

Ryan Reynolds cares. You'd like to see the revenues go up. All right. Oh, man, we can talk about, I could steal. Haley's got a, Haley's Savin has a Ryan Reynolds, has a Ryan Reynolds centric piece coming out in a couple days, and I could steal all of it and talk about it right here, but I, but I will not.

Ryan, but the upshot from what she wrote, she watched a bunch of the Welcome to Rexum series and all that. The upshot, the upshot, yeah, I wonder, when are you coming up with that? The upshot,

I don't know, it was, it was Nauco, I think, not me. It was her editor, Nauco. Um, the upshot is that Ryan Reynolds needs to be in,

involved with the center's ownership thing. Like, no matter what happens, whatever rich person gets involved, it should be, it should be a condition of their purchase of the Ottawa centers that Ryan Reynolds is involved in some capacity. It would be great. All right,

let's get to the Marion Hosa conversation, because I'm sure we have a bunch of talk about in segment three as Sean and I catch up live on the air here. And enjoy Marion. It was good to hear him. And also by his book, for Scott Powers, if for nothing else. Buy his book with Scott Powers,

and also watch out for a moment where I really, really embarrass myself towards the end of this interview. It's a good one. That's the paper part. We're right back. We are now thrilled to be joined by, I'm not just saying this because he's on the podcast

and joining us today. Easily, don't roll your eyes, Sean. Easily one of my top three favorite hockey players to cover in doing this a long time. I mean, Bobby Ho Leaks number one is Mary knows that doesn't go anywhere. Top three, easy of all time. Marion Hosa joins us.

Marion, first of all, thanks for doing this. Congratulations on everything going on in your life. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me. Looking forward to it. And, you know, nice to see you. So, look, I'm going to start with a book because, you know, I want to help you out.

We want to promote it. I know it's going to be good because Scott Powers was a part of it, teammate here at the Athletic. you have such an interesting story to tell, Marion. So let's just start there. It comes out, for those listening, it comes out November 20th, great holiday gift. Everybody should just get it.

What went into that? Like, you were never, in dealing with you, you were never a big, like, self-promoter, right? Like, you never wanted to really talk about yourself. You know, you were always, I thought, really humble. So I thought it was interesting that this was something that you were willing to dive into. What went into that thought process and what was that like for you? Well, yeah, the book is coming.

actually November 8. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's right. But I, when I stopped playing, I start thinking, you know,

like there's like guys writing books and, you know, I think I have an interesting story to tell and I'm pretty private person. I don't have an old Instagram account

or Facebook account. So I'm pretty like, I'm not saying like, I don't want people to know anything about me, but I still know what kind of, you know, like my friend

privacy. And I like to tell the story about me a little bit more. So my fans and people know a little bit more who Marianosa is not just the hockey player, but also the guy outside of hockey, a husband, you know, brother, father. And I just felt like there was the right time. You know, we had the time after when my career was over and I decided to, you know, pick the writer, Scott Powers. So did I exactly. son Job, I believe, and we start writing the book. That's great. You talk about being a father. I hear a baby in the background. How is fatherhood? Yeah, that's a third one. She's two months old. Oh, man. So actually now I enjoy the time being basically every day home because the first you know, you were playing, so you were on the road half a time and you were missing lots of different things and right now I enjoy every day with her and it's nice you know it's nine

almost 10 years difference between the middle one and you know now I have more time at home so definitely enjoy it so what was it like what was it like working with powers did he did he pry anything out of you did he did he get any stories out of there you're like I don't I don't don't know I don't know about that one the bit the made it into the book but I know Scott from Chicago is I know. We did lots of interviews. And I believe he did an excellent job.

He, you know, we traveled to Slovakia. I was in Chicago. We did lots of Zoom calls, telephone calls. And we spent lots of time on this book. So I do the two versions. Basically, one is going to be North American. I'm just finishing to have a Slovak version. And it's going to be a little bit more colorful.

And definitely it's good. It was great. So you saved all the good stuff for the Slovak. Wait a second. See, the key is that what we have to do is get the Slovak version and get it translated. So we can, we'll work that out ourselves. You guys are smart. Yeah.

Using our heads, right? Did any, it's been funny hearing, but it seems like a lot of folks have worked on books over the last few years, mainly because you're in, a lot of a lot of people were inside, didn't have much better to do. Like, was there scheduling stuff that, was it, was it a problem getting all this done because of, because of the, you know, the COVID stuff and the pandemic and all that? Was that like a logistical problem for, for you and Scott, or did it kind of go off easily? I think we had the kind of window. I asked, like, how long, you know, it's, because this is totally new for me. I, you know, wrote a book and, and I asked everybody, like, the publisher, like,

what is the time, you know, like a book, basically, you know. You know, I told me they're going to tell me, like, maybe, you know, six months because I like to work, work, work, work. But it doesn't work that way. Probably there's some books you can do it. But he said, like, approximately out of biography, they said, two years. I said, two years. What I'm going to do two years?

And they were right, you know. Yeah. Like, you got, after a while, you got like, okay, I need a time, you know, to kind of focus. and do the things right. And with everything going on, the COVID and all the situation, it's going to be around two years when we started and it's going to be out.

So they were right. They knew what they were talking about. And I think, you know, it was still a good time. So I'm okay with that. The stuff I always found most interesting, Marion, I mean, you're a Hall of Fame player, incredible player.

And you were part of, like, massive transactions, like two huge trades, two huge, like the number one get in free agency. I was, you know, so, and you know, Sean's in Pittsburgh. So, you know, I always, I was so close to that when you were in Atlanta and that, and that trade happened. I always love when we get guys kind of after the fact and maybe can, with the time and the perspective you have, like that, that moment where you go from Atlanta to Pittsburgh and

you're now playing with Sidney Crosby and that recruitment to stay, like I remember stories of him calling you from vacations and all the, stuff. What was that like, like, how, you know, what was that moment in time like for you? Going from Pittsburgh to Detroit? Just going to, uh, that trade to Pittsburgh. Like going from a team kind of at the bottom of the standings to now with all this pressure on in Pittsburgh, playing with the greatest, you know, the greatest player of his generation, Sidney Crosby. Like that, just flipping that switch. So basically, uh, for me, it was pretty simple. I had the success in the,

in individual statistics. Uh, when I was in Atlanta, I had. had like one year 92 points and I get 100 points and I know that was that was great don't get me wrong you know really offensive team but I was I was at the age around 28 29 in my prime and I felt like I want to accomplish something bigger I'll not just getting 100 points or scoring you know close to 50 goals but I want to I want to you know touch the Stanley Cup I want to win it I want to experience it and that was my try. So I told in Atlanta to the owners at the time and the GM don't bottle, I only signed with you guys because they offer me really good money for long term to stay in Atlanta.

But I said, like, if you guys are willing to bring some key elements to the team, so we are going to be able to succeed in our playoffs, then I'll consider to stay. but otherwise if I don't see anybody coming here, you know, I'm not going to resign, you know, don't get me wrong. So, obviously, they never sign anybody big

and I just saw, you know, I know I'm going to go, you know, somewhere. So there was a day in Montreal. Yeah. Everyone thought you were going to Montreal. Like, I remember people, like, you were supposed to just go right across the, you know, hallway to the other locker room.

I work up in my room in, in, in, in, Montreal and Don Madel just telling me like, hoss, you don't have to go for the morning skate, you know. So obviously I knew something's happening. And so I just went for breakfast with the guys. And I was waiting where I'm going to get traded.

And, you know, I was waiting and it was like a couple minutes towards the time limit. Yeah. Southern Don just calling me a few minutes before the trading deadline. He's like, host, I got to chew a new team. I was like, okay, here we go. Oh, it's Pittsburgh.

I was like, I didn't say yes, you know, but in my mind I was like, yes. So, because I just pictured a young talented team, you know, chance to win, and basically, that was my drive. And I couldn't wait, you know, to be part of the team. And, you know, playing with Sita, that was exciting. Obviously, at the time, he was hurt. And when I got there, first game, I signed. I basically played for them. We flew to Boston with Pascal Buclis,

and I got hurt right away first game. So he was hurt, I was hurt, and I took a while when we started playing together. And there was great time in Pittsburgh. I enjoyed it. Yeah. How close did you come to staying when they were putting the full court press to keep you as a free agent? Like, how close was Pittsburgh? Oh, that was really close.

Yeah. Tell you it true Actually I'm In my book I have Oh You know So in my book I'm writing

About it Okay I'm not trying to steal Any of any of the The books thunder Well I can tell you all A little big So I was

I was pretty close to staying Because obviously I said like You know It's great Hockey Town Lots of history You know They had success One in one

My You know Like my favorite players Are You know Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux and when I met Mario Lemieux at that time I was like

you know looking at the Jesus at him and there was just wow for me you know like this is the guy I was looking up to and now he's in the dressing room talking to me and there was just amazing feeling so definitely you know

I was considering if I wouldn't sign in Detroit there would be you know I stayed in Pittsburgh but yeah you know I made the choice Yeah. I know Ken Holland loves to tell the story about, I think he always says he was pumping gas when Rich Winter called him and said, hey, how about one year on Marion Hosa? And like that was such a, in the way Rich explains it. And I would like to hear your, but essentially it was, you know, you wanted to go learn to win like from this team that knew. Like I think everyone thought at the time you were trying to cherry pick, you know, the Stanley Cup favorites, whatever. But it was like, hey, I want to go play with Pavel Datsuk and Henrik Zetterberg and Nicholas Lindstrom and figure out. like learn the things that I haven't learned yet. Is that a fair characterization of that?

Yeah, so basically, you know, going to Detroit, I always like was looking into the team before I was in even in Atlanta. Like, you know, what's about this team? Like how they are so special? How come they are winning? Like, what's the cooking in the kitchen, like the professional and everything else?

Like that was like kind of just in my head all the time. Like, why these guys are so good? and and I just you know I just one my wife just came to told me like you know baby sleeping so be quiet

oh sorry lower your voice but I get excited you know I'm telling the story don't wake the baby yeah it's not our it's not our fault Mrs. Oso please

don't be mad at us so basically obviously I want to go to Detroit because obviously they have a great I knew there was a good chance to win, but that wasn't everything. I knew if I'm going to learn from the best, from the four-time Stanley Cup champion,

you know, what are doing in that wrestling and what is right to be better hockey player, and that was inspiring me to sign there. I had a great offer from Edmonton for, you know, long term. But I wasn't even blinking, like the money wasn't the issue. I wasn't caring about money. And I was like really, my focus was in a tunnel, like, you know, winning and learning from the best. And right now, when I look back, like, what I was thinking, you know, I had five years on the table playing with the best player, Steve Rosby. And I was like, you know, like, it's wild, Mary.

It's a crazy decision. I mean, I'm glad you brought it off. I'm glad you said it because I was going to say, you ever like kind of was there any, was there any, was there any, was there any? point in Detroit where you're like, I screwed up. Like I made a mistake. Yeah. No, no regrets at all.

Even if it beat us, that was definitely for me, personally, that was the toughest summer mentally. Definitely that was tough to swallow. But that year made me so much better player.

I learned so much. I got mentally stronger. And, you know, in that summer, I went to the summer and, you know, I heard lots of jokes on me. I heard, like, lots of guys, they feel sorry for me. And I said to myself, you know, this is either going to break you or make you better, you know. And I want to do the second, you know. And I told myself, okay, like, just blog everything and start training even harder than before and learn from your mistakes.

And that's what I tried to do. Obviously, I knew I'm going to be free agent again because I'm not. I wasn't signing with Detroit and some other team going to pick me, you know, and be the best for them you can be. And that was my goal. So I train as hard as possible and I learned from my mistakes maybe

what I would be doing different in a playoffs or when the time come. And I think that year playing with Tatsu, Bezheatherberg, you know, one of the two best two-way players ever, I learned so much to be better hockey player and that year gave me so much. Even when we lost, you know, we didn't win that year, but that year was a keybreaker for me next years.

Was that the biggest thing that you brought from Detroit to Chicago, like that dedication to the two-way play? Because, I mean, like we saw, you mean, you finally got the credit you deserved, I think, is like being a great two-way player once you made it to Chicago. But is that something you felt like you brought from Detroit over there? Is that the biggest thing that you learned and kind of brought over to your new team? Yeah, like two-way is one thing, but I think the professionalism, I think I was pretty professional. before, but I learned from Nicholas Lindstrom how to handle when the

things didn't go right. He was always calm and just never overreact and you know, that dressing with Chris Chelyos and sitting on a plane with those two icons just gave me so much and I learned so much

and, you know, when I knew I was going to sign to Chicago, I saw how many talented players they have and I realized, you know, I don't need to just put an offense in number and just worry about goals and these things. I want to be like, you know, the example, like how that's who Kinseederberg, you know,

and those guys, trappers, Malbis, you know, like those guys who want. I saw them in the gym every time and, you know, after the game. And they was just inspiring for me to learn, you know, how can I be better player? And I brought it, I think, in that dressing room. And, you know, I'm not a big talker. I think those guys saw it from me.

And they just, you know, realize if they want to be better, whether, you know, they want to do, they need to do a little bit more. Just, you know, we'll focus on the talent they have. They need to go do it for more work and know, you know, we got lucky we won. Yeah, I mean, you go to Chicago and, you know, all the kind of the Stanley Cups that had alluded to you, you know, come to fruition. I did want to touch on the two-way play because now it's part of your legacy, Marion, it's fun because anytime there's a, you know, a bigger winger. who plays defense and can score, it's like,

it's, this is a Marion Hosa type. Like, that's you, you've left, like, that's you, like,

it's like, Andre Pallot, it becomes, oh, he's Marianhosa. Then it's like this next generation, Matthew, Matt Boldie and Minnesota. Oh, he plays a lot like Marion Hosa.

What does that mean to you? Like, that's the representative of kind of your career when you hear young players or players now, getting that comparison. Yeah, that's something you don't kind of plan, right? They're just,

yeah. So that's, you know, obviously, it makes me feel great. I know somebody think that way and, you know, they saw me in somebody and that's, that's just, you know, that's really, that's really great. But it's, it's something you don't play for, right? You just kind of, you deserve it, you know, when you accomplish something and when you have like your focus, your dream and you want to go for it, no matter what, you know,

Maybe you lose one time, you're on the losing side. It was second time, but you're still focusing on your goal and you want to win, you know, and you want to go for it. And, you know, at the end, you know, good things happen. If you work hard, if you focus and I'm glad, you know, I won. I was hoping to win one Stanley Cup and I got three and I'm pretty lucky. It's pretty good. I have great players around me, so I got lucky. you could have

not to be you could have five easy I think five Stanley cuts easy just just for the record how close do you think you came from to winning another one in Chicago I think that like some of those King series the like it was like one goal away

it's wild to me to think about how close 2014 season when the Kings won right I think conference finals series was unbelievable yeah yeah I think could go right either way and we would be in a final against, I believe, there was Rangers.

And I think a better team than New York at the time, obviously, you know, but that happened, you know, they won and they're champions. So you're the first, let's see, your ceremony in Chicago is, I believe, on the 20th. You're the first guy from those teams to get the jersey hoisted there. What is that? There's going to be so many more. of those guys, whether it's Kane or Taze or Keith, like there's going to be

a parade of jerseys that could retire there, but what does that mean to be the first? It is wild to think that that's kind of where we're at now. You meet the first from that generation? Yeah, from that group. From that group. Yeah, I mean, when

Rocky Words announced the news to me, I don't know when it was. I was expecting, you know, like he's going to announce me I'm going to sign one-day contract so I can retire at the Blackhawk and that was the goal for me and he told me

two great news and obviously the second one's even better when I told me like they want to retire my jersey and I was speechless I don't cry too much at all and I almost had like tears in my eyes like that was like so touching

and you know European guy not even drafted by the team you know because they want to retire my jersey. I was like, wow, that means something. And that's a special moment. And I'm taking a world's family for it. And, you know, obviously have great people around me,

like the coaching staff, players, trainers. And without them, I wouldn't be going there. That's amazing. What a great accomplishment. Do you have, I mean, there's always speculation, you know, teams that'll bring you back with the book done. And like, what are you spending your time? with or what are your kind of next aspirations so like you mean like what I do in a free time

yeah like what are you like yeah do you want to get I mean I'm sure I mean you you you learn so much you have so much knowledge if you wanted to get into a front office or like what is your what are your next goals yeah so basically we we are talking with the Blackhawks about a certain position but obviously you know me being here in Europe it's kind of difficult to be involved fully with a team and I to them it would be different if I live in Chicago, I definitely would like to be, you know, in doing something more to be involved with the team. But we have something on a paper soon. When I come to Chicago, we're going to have a meeting.

And, you know, I believe we're going to announce something soon because I like to be attached with the team. Even like in a long distance coming to Chicago maybe three, four times a year. And that would be nice to get attached with the team. but I have my company here in Slovakia. It's kind of totally different. I'm in the food business. I have like 250 employees. And, you know, we got like 3,500 items would be selling and like, you know, 50 distribution vehicles, seven warehouses.

So we got like that. Yeah, wait a second. That's a big operation. My goodness. It's a big operation here in Slovakia. And long story short, I invested a longer time. And now basically, you know, I have with my people running it. And so it's a big operation, but I had like with a group of people around it.

So I don't have to be involved in daily basis. I'm on a phone quite a bit. But I don't have to be over there all the time. So the thing is running. And, you know, we're doing so far pretty good. and yeah, it's totally different. That's wild. How are you as a boss?

What kind of boss are you running 250 employees? I think I'm pretty fair, pretty simple. But what I told them, you know, I am really looking for the discipline. You know, that's what I brought from the sport. I think the discipline make you better. And I brought it to there. I kind of talking to them in a hockey language a little bit. So sometimes they're smiling because it's a little different,

but they understand what I try to get out of them. And I think for them it's good change, right? Because they have other bosses and everybody's like a little bit more into the business. I bring the hockey awards to them in Slovak. And I think they like it. And I know it's it's been good experience also for me because it's totally something different out of hockey. But you can you can bring some elements from the sports to the business. Yeah.

There's a nice new generation of. Slovak players in the league now. Have you watched? Yeah. What can you say about Slavkovsky and Namach specifically? I know those are guys you've probably seen a good bit of over the last few years. Yeah. So after a long time for Slovakia, that was most successful draft year.

And definitely whole country really watch the draft because, you know, I had the text messages in the morning. I woke up in a little bit of the night and there was like text messages just flying. It's like Slovakia taking over the hockey world. world, you know, obviously, so I knew right away Slovkovsky is going to be first, but I was expecting, you know, Yemen's going right away second. I knew his first round there. But, you know, first second Slovakian guys like, I was like, wow, that's amazing. And then you got Phil Messar, you know, going first round. So, I mean, you know, great, great start for the young Slovak's, you know, big, big splash for Slovakia. And right now, everybody watching how Uri especially is doing in Montreal. And, you know, I believe he's going to be really, really good player. It's going to take some times to adjust to that style from Europe. But he got his big, strong, he got great shot, obviously.

So lots of good things, I believe, for him coming up. Yeah. I saw you. Good, sorry. I was just to say, what jumps out the most when you're watching Uriye play? Like, is it the shot? or when you're watching him now in the NHL? Yeah, like, he could play any line.

I believe that his guy, like, you know, obviously you don't want to take first round in the fourth line, but basically his strength he got, it's amazing. Like what he did when I watched the World Championships or Olympic Games when he played, you could see the potential already in him. Like in Finland, he wasn't any big striker, like he had not big goals.

score by any means, but with his shot, with his ability to play physical game when he needs it, you know, he can protect the puck and take it to the net. I think when he started using that size even more, he's going to be really dangerous and he can put a good numbers. I saw you compared him to Yager. Does that still hold up? I said it. Apparently, I just, I just go with Mary Nelson in your eyes, Lovkovsky. It said, you said that to Thomas ProCops with Sport.S.K. I wouldn't call it.

I don't think that's exactly I don't want to make any false Yeah. Wasn't trying to put you on the spot, but it was it was Yager and you said Richard Zednik, who's another really really great. Yeah, yeah. There is only one Yager, right? Yeah.

I love JJ when he played in in a big book. I was like God for me. me. I read his book. I think that was my first book. Me and my brother read, you know, with 500 squads when he did. But I saw, because we play against Yager team in Slovakia. We had like an exhibition game and we play against them. And so I told him after the party, you know, because he was talking with my brother, because they played together in Europe, right? So I came up to him, I told my brother, it's like, did you tell him, you know, like he was lying

in his book? He's like, and he looked at it. It's like, what do you mean? He's like, Jay, like, you didn't do 500 squads like you were writing in a book. You did a thousand probably. Like, you were way better than everybody else. They start laughing. That's great. That's awesome.

But came back to your eyes, Slavkovsky. Like, his style of skating is like similar like the Richard Zedon, but bigger guy. But there's like some similarities with the Jagger, like when he, you know, hold of people with one hand. So there is like, you know, mix of some little things of those two players.

Awesome. Well, Marian, thanks for doing this. I'm glad we made it without disrupting the baby too much, I hope. And congratulations on the Hall of Fame, the jersey, the book, all the exciting things that are coming that have happened.

Great seeing you again. And thanks. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, good to see you again. And, you know, thanks for having. Appreciate it. I hope his book does really well. Sean. I like Scotty.

Let's make this man some money. Good to hear from business magnate, Marion Hosa. I feel like he's creating the era mark of Slovakia. That's what I want to hear about him in the next little bit. What do you think he was thinking when you tried to put words in his mouth about the yager thing? Who the fuck is this guy? Maybe.

Yeah, I read a bad translation. I think I sort of tried to grab the words out of the air and stick them back in my mouth as soon as I asked the question. But I read a translation of something he said to a Slovak journalist, I believe. And it was incorrect. That is, he was not explicitly comparing Slavkovsky to Yocker, even though the post that I lazily looked up in the middle of our talk seemed to imply it. Would you Google? Sorry, buddy. To ask Marian Hosa during an interview?

Who is Marion Hosa? Marion Hosa favorite young, no, I, you know what? Seriously, I probably just Googled Marian Hosa, Uriyslavkovsky, because I realized that I didn't have anything other, anything outside of like, yeah, what do you think of your ice Lofkowski? I didn't have, I had no plan for. So I was like, maybe he said something about him in the past and I saw the Yager comparison. So I was like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. Remember what you said he was better than Yager? Remember when you said you hate Yarmory Hager and that he actually wasn't that good?

Coming up next. The only good segment. On the show. This is the only good segment on the show. It is, as you know, when you find the post on the athletic app, and to the troll is riddles three, so you are permitted to ask us questions and fill out the last segment. for us. Everybody's still doing a great job.

I know it can be confusing because of the schedules of certain people who are, who may or may not be on this call. Keep them coming. We'll do our best whenever Craig feels like hosting the show. Not only is it hard to find the comments section. This is one of the sneaky hard parts. You've got to find the right episode. Like, you have to go, you have to, I guess, listen to the previous two.

Tuesday and know what it was titled. And then, so you don't leave a comment on the wrong show. We make this so hard. It's also really hard when you, it's also really hard when you haven't been around for a couple weeks and have to backtrack and find all this stuff. Okay. Michael B. Again, this is, this is in the comments of our last show together with Donnie, Donnie

Granato. Oh, that was a good show. Mr. Meatballs himself. It was good. We didn't wear our Donnie Meatball shirt. That's sad. It's your fault. Michael B.

says, Sean, great article in the Bruins signing Mitchell Miller. Thank you. It was. It was. I did great. I'm old enough to remember when Craig used to write articles like that. Not sure they were ever that good. It's been too long to remember.

Yes. Michael B. Michael B. my guy. We have nothing else to say about that one. We can just move on. My hope is someday we get to a point where people are like, they only know me from the Tuesday podcast and have no reference.

of any writing. Yeah, I'm sure you'd be really happy if that's, if that's what happened. This is all. I know you're not. I can guarantee you wouldn't be. I know, I know you well enough.

Yeah. Okay. So Max was, Max stepped in for you, talked about the Atlantic Division surprises. Love that one. It was much better than the show typically is. Perry G starts.

The fact that there isn't even a comment about Boston's actual hockey team is a shame. And she's in, I believe she's referring to, uh, me starting the show by flippantly saying like, this is an hour and a half of Mitchell Miller talk. And it wasn't. We had exhausted. We had tapped that well. There was nothing at that point. There was certainly nothing left to say about about, about him or them or that situation. Um, and I wasn't interested in talking about the Bruins because who cares about them at that point? Anything in, anything in Boston was about their mishandling of the Mitchell Miller situation. they waive their right to be seriously discussed as a hockey team for, we'll say, five days.

And we were still on that hale. I was so mad because I think a previous episode, we gave so much love to the Bruins and their start. But look. It's not their fault. It's not the players fault. That's right. The players, because I haven't been on since all that, the one, you know, everything, I'm sure you guys covered it at nauseam. But I was so encouraged by the response of the players.

I've never seen where players turn on their own management in such a public way. Not kidding. I didn't. I mean, this is something Perry is kind of referencing. I didn't talk about it at all. Like, I was like, we're not, we're not doing this because the show ran on Tuesday. Everything had happened all over the weekend. I was like neck deep in it.

I was neck deep in it for four days. I was like, I'm, and also Julian and Laz and Ian on the Monday show handled it better than I could have, right? They said their peace. I was more than happy to let their words, you know, stand from me. I had no interest in talking about it anymore. But the takeaway, honestly, is that, yeah, the Bruins, as the players did as much as you could have reasonably expected from them and more. And it's not their fault. Like, I'm not holding those guys responsibly because responsible because Cam Neely acted like an idiot or Don Sweney or a combo of the two.

Whatever happened there, there's more than enough blame to be apportioned and none of it goes to the players. So whatever. I'm done talking about Mitchell Miller for the time being. Okay. Probably not forever, though. What's the segue into Lucas's comment about Tuesday Boy Slippers? Is there merch? I think you're the guy to ask about that.

We need a logo, a proper logo. Then there can be merch. Come on, internet. Coming soon to the New York Times store, which is the company we work for. Tuesday boys. You work for the athletic, Sean, which is a New York Times company. Yeah, but like I can tell people that I work. I mean, I'm sure, like I air quotes, scare quotes work for the athletic, but I work for

the New York Times, right? No. That's what I can tell people. You work for the athletic, which is owned by the New York Times. But there is no currently any merging. Do you know that you can now type things into like artificial intelligence and they'll come up with logos? That's what I'm going to do that for the next one.

Just say Tuesday Boys with 3 Zs, see what AI comes up with. Hashtag. And it's always really good. Oh, that's, producer Jeff. I actually forgot. That's what, that's what Max said. What? Max said he has Tuesday boys slippers and he's only allowed to wear them when he co-hosts the show.

It's a good bit. Is that like contraband clothing and merch? Because it's like I used to, my sister-in-law Kaylee shout out. She has, what are those machines called? where you like can print t-shirt. There's a word for that. Screen printing? Yeah, but it's like more modern.

Like she's ironing things on and stuff. It's not a screen printing machine. Oh, but sorry. Sean, don't appreciate the tone. She would, she would make me, like in the earliest days,

like Athletic Detroit, like Christmas ornaments to give the staff and athletic Detroit shirts. And it was. Cool. Don't ever tell Adam and Alex about this, but we had a, I was giving out stuff to the staff of people

because we were proud of what we were doing and there wasn't merch yet. And now... Do you get any leftovers? Can I get a baseball hat that actually fits my head? No, of course not. Shauna M. I love that they refer to Ryan Reynolds as Blake Lively's husband. I hope he does get the group together to buy the senator.

Sean, we just talked about it. So do I. I hope he's involved in one capacity. But of course he's Blake Lively's husband. For plenty of reasons. Maxie, I think it's only right that the good old American boys give a mention of the great American Peter McNabb next week, which is true. We, you know, news of Peter McNabb's passing. It was a great player and a great broadcaster for the Colorado Avalanche.

It had broken around the time we were recording. So we actually, we didn't get into it too far. I loved what Peter Baugh wrote about him on the site. And it was, it was great because it was, you know, kind of a remembrance of what Peter McNabb was like, a colleague. It didn't go too far in. I liked that Pete copped early on. Like, listen, I didn't know I didn't know him not well. I was like, I wasn't around it all that

long, but here's the person that I knew. And I thought it hit all the right notes. So yeah, you know, peace, piece to his family and read what Peter wrote because it's really good. Darrell, W. A, Americans. Crackner's second in the less with 18 points and the athletic has nothing to say.

Nothing. Keep up the good work. I know this negativity won't garner mention unlike max's slippers whatever we're talking about we're talking about the crack and there is stuff in the works with the crack and I'll say that too

there's some things that are that are going to be coming out I told you not to read this one Sean you know the rules not true you never I don't know we don't read them until you read you've read some absolutely insane shit from these people out loud

and taken me taking me by surprise yeah hey we can take the good and the bad it's fine no but there the crack and I'll speak personally on this. I didn't want to...

I felt like we were about to get okey-doked by the Cracken again. Like, after what happened last year, I think everybody was prepared for them to be at least more competitive than they were. He got submarine by Philip Grubauer and a lack of top-end offensive talent. I was... I had my fill of Seattle Cracken Covers, because I was like, this is too much to devote to a team that just hasn't shown anything whatsoever. From the jump, they stunk out loud from the beginning.

So me personally, I'm not going to expend too much brainpower on, you know, talking about Vince Dunn and these guys who were decent, who were decent players, but, you know, whatever. Vince Dunn. He's good. He's a, he's a fine player, but like, this was the Crackens problem, right? is that they had players like that, they were just a little too much dip on the chip. And you had Maddie Baneers and you get some, you know,

get some increased production from other people. They're a lot more interesting now. And also like Martin Jones is at least competent and not single handily blowing games for them like Rubauer was. So personally, I needed to see something better from them over the course of the first month of the season, and they're there.

They've been good. They look really good. And they're getting better. So whatever. We're here. We're here now. I think someone's going to Seattle. Someone is going to Seattle.

Someone is going to Seattle. It's not me. Okay. That's what I alluded to, which is, which again, I'm not. Why are we talking in code? Like, we can probably talk about it, but I don't want it. Yeah, we don't, we don't have to. We can be, it can be.

Let that person talk about it. Let that, it's not my business. Jesus Christ. I want to read, can I, you can do, you can do, Darry W if you'd like. I want to respond to Corey E. who said Craig's sick again with lots of question marks. Time for Dr. Gentilly to assess Craig's lifestyle choices. I don't think that's the dynamic here.

I could run an analytics program on the diet as well. I'll tell you what. Dom can't. I don't. Dom's, Dom doesn't, Dom eats fucking burritos. Dom eats like burritos exclusively. Like that dude eats worse than I do. He doesn't have shit about nutrition.

I don't know what they're saying about me on the Tuesday show when I'm not here. because I don't listen, but I was not sick. I won't be sick when I miss next week's show. I'm not going to be sick when I miss three out of four in December. I'm working. You're not working. Next week is the holiday. Well, that's American Thanksgiving, the real Thanksgiving.

I'm not going to be here either. But I'm going to be at the baseball winter meetings in December. I've got editors meetings in Nashville with the college football group. This is me working, Corey. I'm not sick. I don't know what Max is saying. Oh, you're sick. You're sick, buddy.

I'm the, I'm the hardest worker of this duo. You're sick in the head. Oh, okay. Sick thoughts. So that's, I just thought like I had to stick up for myself.

Way to, way to like apologize for being, for being busy. I just, what are you saying? You're like, hey, Craig's out on sick leave again.

Like, you think I'm like, what I say on this show when you're not around is none of your business. If you want to, if you want to know, if only there were

some way for you to know what's said whenever you're not around. I think I said you had COVID again. Oh yeah, I was superwomen. I'm pretty sure. In Corey's defense. Yeah, it was like, COVID. That was really bad. It was like, ah, I think I was like, maybe Craig has COVID again.

I don't want to broadcast where you are or what you're doing. No, I appreciate that. Like, I don't need people. Retroact, I was in New York last week. It's the New York Times building. Stop talking about this. Who cares? The company that, I work for the athletic, but it's a New York Times company.

You were at the home office of the company we work for. You walk past the desk. I'm just going to defend myself. I don't want people to think I'm just bailing because I'm sick. You got off the elevator. You walked past the desk that they keep for me in that building because, again, this is where I work. You walk past Sean Gentile's desk. Company where you work.

You walk in, you saw the big wigs there. Send me to Sean Gentile's office. Yeah. And I was sitting in there and it could be under there is like a like a little nameplate on the door that said Sean's and Tilly, New York Times senior writer. That's where you. That's where you were. You're talking to David Brooks.

We all know. Daryl W. By the way, it's getting close to American Thanksgiving. All right. First of all, we don't, you don't have to give it that. It's just Thanksgiving. It's real Thanksgiving. Real Thanksgiving.

And the coyotes are sitting in a playoff spot. Is that true? No. Not anymore. I don't think so. I haven't been standing so well. Legitimately ahead of the wild, the flames, and the Preds. Mm-hmm.

They strung together some wins last week. That is, again, that is no longer true. Okay. They are, they are, they are, the top two wildcar teams right now are Edmonton and with Minnesota, Minnesota behind them. Arizona doesn't have them beat on points, doesn't have them beat on points percentage. But at one point last week, there were six and six in a wild card spot.

That is, that is true. What if Arizona tries to put together the biggest tank job ever and ends up like with the seventh pick and the blues or something get the number one pick? Wouldn't that just be something? Oh, man. No one pick to the Vancouver Canucks That would be funny if like the team that truly One of the least tanky teams in the league is the blues How about that is like if you were to make a list of the teams that were

Whatever the opposite of tanking is Yeah And the teams who were trying to win is the opposite of tanking if you're If you're looking to freeze Who in the league was trying to win harder than the blues? Possibly nobody and they are down there they're 28th in the league still

even though they strung together some wins they're not as bad as they're not as bad as we saw but that would be that would be amazing the blues finish like you know fourth and fourth from the bottom and end up jumping up

jumping up to the first pick do you think the coyotes players have like some they're trying like oh they want us to lose so we're gonna like major league or whatever where they're trying to they have to put together a they have to I mean like why like Why wouldn't they?

They're not that good. That's the problem. Like, I'm sure they want to win a whole lot. They're hockey players. That team is horrendous. And they're going to rattle off 17 losses in 20 games or something. And then the discussion will be in moat. They're going to be the worst team in the league by the time this is all said and done,

even though they, God bless, I'm strung together some wins last week. That roster is a nightmare. it'll all end up or has to end up. Anything else you want to add before I, oh my gosh, we get to tease our, have you, have you teased our next guest?

This is fun. Oh my God. I forgot about that. Because we haven't talked to him yet. I'm sure it'll be good. Rob Pizzo, Mike Russo, and Jesse Granger have Tom Fitzgerald

of the New Jersey Devils, having a nice little season. That's going to be, that's on the Wednesday show. We're off next week for real Thanksgiving as, you know, we need to be thankful for all of you, and we're going to take a week off. You know what I'm thankful for? What, Sean?

My job with The New York Times. Oh, my gosh. Mm-hmm. Thanks for giving it to me. That's not how many of this works. Our guest, though, that we're recording as soon as we get back from Real Thanksgiving is Bobby Holik. we put this together because I think I mentioned it in the marriage like favorite favorite favorite person of all time to interview as a kid and producer jeff he just picks up these little

like hints he's he's trying to get jeff tweeting which says all you need to know about producer jeff and we got a will co reference in if you're wondering so ring the bell um he just picks up on little comments and says oh all right and then he reaches out and bobby hollick says yeah i i don't know if I can talk about anything going on in the game right now. We're like, we don't want to. Great, great. We want to talk about horses. Horses in Montana.

In weird politics. Let's go. In literature. And all the things that made Bobby Holick a great interview as a player. And we want to talk about Bobby Holick who made $279 million as a player. I did it up. There's some crazy number. There's so much there.

It's going to be so much fun. He made, what was that, what was that thing where I threw some line. No, it was like Bobby Holick made more in 2004 than Sydney Crosby ever has in an individual season. That is true, right? I believe that's true. Crazy that there was a lockup right after that. Bobby, I know. Bobby signs that contract and then he gets bought out and then he's making money with the thrash.

We're just going to, we're just going to interview people from the thrash here's circa 2000. The good thing, the good. good thing about our audience is I think they they're in it regardless of clearly clearly they like listening to us for some for some unknown reason just trust us on Bobby Holy

how about that if you're like I mean if you're Rangers and knows that you can enjoy it anyways but if you're hearing this if you're hearing this and you're like what the hell do I want to hear why do I want to hear Bobby Holy speak about anything just you do first of all trust us yeah

he's he's great Yeah, I think remember how last year it was whatever that National Team Development Program squad that we started. We went down this run of players from. I think we go to like Ray Ferrar. Like we just go right down the. Steve coming up next. Steve Ruchin. Andy Sutton.

Jim Slater. Come on down. Jim Slater's about it. We had Jim Slater. What am I saying? We had Jim Slater on. Oh my God. So that's, so you'll have.

So like, forgive us for taking a. week off, but that will be your reward to your listener. It will be good. Also, we're on YouTube. Do you know that? Against our will, I might add. Yeah.

It's really sick that people want to see us talk about, you and me specifically. They don't. They barely use our stuff. They really don't. They're like, they put the other, I think they're more YouTube friendly with the other episodes. Yeah. It's because the hosts.

Yeah. They're not in a thousand. But if you want to follow and do whatever you do on YouTube, it's YouTube.com. This is, it's true. Slash at the hockey show? Yes, it is true. I don't even know. It is the at sign.

Like, at sign, the at, it's. It doesn't, that looks like a typo. It's not. This isn't right. Just go to go to the Googles and type in YouTube and the athletic hockey. But do follow it. But because, you know, Julian and Ian and Haley and the rest of them are doing great work on that app. Yeah, who's Haley's co-host again?

I don't know. Could be anybody. Yeah, really. Not a good one. Also, if you could go to your favorite podcast platform and leave a rating and review. It helps our ratings and our employee reviews, I'm sure. Is that true? Yeah.

What I like to do with Sean when I do his review. which I don't think I've ever done. You've never done it. No. Is I like to go into the ratings section of an Apple Pods and pull out ratings that, because they do reference Sean, a lot of them. And then I copy and paste and I'm like, here's a sampling of what the world thinks of Sean. And then I see.

Inclusion needs improvement. And then you deduct money from. Here's the accompanying drop in salary for the for the two. start of use. Minus 6%. And this offer still stands an annual subscription to the Athletic for just $1 a month for six months.

Can't believe it. When you visit athletic.com slash hockey show with no ad sign in this one. And as always, you know the hashtag. Anything else you'd like to add? Oh, I want to thank Marian Hosa and producer Jeff for lining that up. Marion for being a magnet of industry

and for you for listening. and Bobby Holilik, for agreeing to be an internet's guest. It's for me, Sean. Mm-hmm. Sounds good. Thanks for showing up today. I was working.

Yeah, whatever.