The Athletic Hockey Show - Timo Meier traded to the New Jersey Devils, the latest on Patrick Kane and the New York Rangers, the Tampa Bay Lightning add Tanner Jeannot, Barry Trotz replacing David Poile as Nashville Predators GM, and more

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Ian and Julian are back for a brand new Monday edition of The Athletic Hockey Show to discuss Julian’s trip to Mullet Arena covering the Calgary Flames, the New Jersey Devils acquiring Timo Meier from the San Jose Sharks, and whether the Carolina Hurricanes need to make a move to keep pace in the East, the Tampa Bay Lightning trading Cal Foote and a ton of draft picks for Tanner Jeannot, Barry Trotz replacing David Poile as Nashville Predators GM starting July 1, and to close things out, listener follow-up emails, this week’s Jack Adams Winner of the Week, and Multiple Choice Madness.Plus, The Athletic’s own Arthur Staple joins the show to discuss the latest on the New York Rangers and Patrick Kane, a potential K’Andre Miller suspension for spitting on Drew Doughty during Sunday’s game, how Vladimir Tarasenko is fitting in so far in New York, Igor Shesterkin’s shaky season, and more. Subscribe to The Athletic Hockey Show on YouTube: http://youtube.com/@theathletichockeyshowGet a 1-year subscription to The Athletic for $2 a month when you visit http://theathletic.com/hockeyshowTry Peloton risk-free with a 30-Day Home Trial, New Members only. Not available in remote locations. See additional terms at http://onepeloton.ca/home-trial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. We are back. It is a Monday edition of the Athletic Hockey Show. It's Ian Medes, Julian McKenzie, with you. Wrapping up what was a crazy weekend in the Eastern Conference in particular, as everybody seems to be loading up ready to go. We're going to talk about all of that. Arthur's staple is going to drop by.

We think that the Rangers are sitting on Patrick Cain, speaking of the teams loading up. So we'll get Arthur's staple. We'll talk about the craziness of the Eastern Conference. I've got some fun emails to read. But I'll tell you, Julian, I want to start with this. You need to tell our listeners all about your trip to Arizona. I know you went to Colorado after, but you had, remember last week I said,

I need a full scouting report of Mullet Arena. But just getting the Mullet Arena was a bit of a problem for you. Yeah. So the story, okay. So I was supposed to go to Arizona Tuesday night. I had a flight from Calgary out to Arizona. And first it was delayed by, I'm trying to think it was an hour. I forget there was a noteworthy delay.

And then we end up in the air. It's about 30 minutes long. And we encounter some turbulence. I think at the time the seatbelt sign was on. And all I hear over the intercom is the pilot saying, if we have any doctors and nurses on board, like, please present yourself. Like we have like a medical emergency. And I'm like, okay, what the hell's what's going on? And I see like a few people like running up and down the plane running to the front.

And like after a while, we just hear like, okay, we have to turn the plane around because of this medical emergency. And there was this lady who was sitting next to me the whole time and we're just trying to figure out what's going on. Her daughter was sitting at the front of the plane. She apparently had seen that as the plane was going through turbulence, an attendant fell and hit their head. And that's why they needed medical assistance. And they turned the plane around and we land back in Calgary. Like EMS comes on the plane and they treat the attendant. And then eventually afterward, like everyone has to get a.

off the flight. Obviously, we were going through to the state. So, like, we had to go through customs. They have to basically pull us back through to, like, the gate that takes us through customs. And we all have to, like, walk through, get those slips you get when you're walking through customs and whatever. They kind of fast tracked us through.

And then they rebooked everybody on flights the next day. And, like, I almost didn't even make that flight because they had booked me on a flight in the morning. And then they pushed it to a flight in the evening. And then I had to figure out a way to get on a flight in the morning, and I found a way to do that. Yeah, like, it was wild, too. It was like, when I got back in the morning, like,

there were flight attendants who, there were other people for the airline I was on who were all like, yo, like, we heard that, like, this flight, like, went up in the air, but it went back to Calgary, like, what happened? To this day, I still don't know what happened to that tenant. So I really hope they're okay. But, yeah, that was a very chaotic, chaotic couple of hours with, regards to getting to Arizona. So I sincerely hope the attendant is okay. And I did get into Arizona. Like, I mean, in time for the game, uh, I think when I got to my hotel, like,

I had to wait like two hours for like my hotel to actually be available to me because I got in before the check in hours. But that is light work compared to, uh, what I experienced, or at least what was experienced on the play. Oh, man. Well, yeah. And that's one of those ones where, you know, as much as you might get frustrated, like, man, somebody's health is in, uh, Jeopardy, right? So you've, you know, you got to be really mindful of that. And man, that's awful. But so one of the people on the plane was actually, you know, when they say, is there a nurse or a doctor on the plane? Like there was somebody on the plane was actually equipped or no? I wasn't able to, I wasn't able to confirm for myself. I think someone was trying to tell me that, like, there may have been a nurse, but I was not able to really confirm for myself. The biggest thing was just that, like, somebody was just, like, hurt. Oh, man. I, I, like, do you ever feel more useless when they call out for people of, you know, these types of professions? And we're just sitting there as like, as writers and like, anyone need a podcaster?

Nope, never happens. But anyway, so again, hopefully everything is okay with that flight attendant. Now, give us the Mullet Arena scouting report. I've heard it's actually a really fun place. I didn't go when Ottawa went down to Arizona. I didn't go. People tell me, man, great place. to watch a game, ton of energy, ton of atmosphere, great sight lines, all of that. What was it like? 5,000-seat arena watching an HL game? So, like, please don't take this the wrong way, Coyotes fans. Like, if this was an HL arena, if this was an ECHL arena, it's probably the best in the league. Like, for a university rink, it looks like pretty sleek. I love the design, the way they're incorporating like the black, but also some ASU colors.

as well because it's on the Arizona State campus. But, like, as an NHL arena, like, we all know it's a bit of, not like a, I don't want to use the word of joke, but we all know it's a bit of a weird novelty thing going on. That being said, like, it's a, it's a very unique spot. Instead of, like, a traditional press box, they had, like, a meteor row that's, like, directly behind this section of fans. And, like, normally, like, we've seen, like, at Ball Arena, they have some of something similar where they have a press box that's kind of over top a section of fans.

As opposed to to Arizona, though, I don't have to worry about like pushing my laptop screen forward and possibly hitting a guy in the head. Because like that's how close you are to fans. Like when a goal gets scored and they all jump up, like you kind of also have to get up too and see what's going on. Also for the sight line, this is my view. Like, if the play is in the end closest to you, you get to see. possibly the best look you can get for any NHL game.

Once the puck gets to the other side, though, farthest away from you, that's what it gets a little bit tricky, as far as I'm concerned. It's a little dicey. Like the flames had, they were down through one in that game, and like the two goals they scored to get back into the game

were all at the other end. And a couple of times I was like, okay, like what happened? Like, I'm kind of far from everything. It's not like when you're over top and like you have a better view of how things go, just kind of being at an angle is just a little bit weird. The one thing for me that I thought was very interesting,

I can't speak for what the coyotes dressing room looks like. I can speak a little bit to what the Flames room kind of looked like, at least for the visitors. But the funny thing for me is seeing the players get off the ice. They like walk sort of out of the arena. They're walking through some random hallway corridor that leads to a door that takes you outside and then like not that much but like oh there's like a little like end where you kind of have to like walk through this part that again takes you outside before you enter essentially a back door that leads you to the locker room like we even did it avail with with darrell sutter where we are again outside and they're trying to make it seem like we're not outside but like there's a tent above us and i clearly see outside and i feel the wind it was also really chilly too in a Arizona as well um but yeah like it was a it was a very interesting interesting setup on on that front but it was cool to be really close to the fans and really get to feel the vibe and the energy that's there like it's it's cool but like man it's a it's a very it's a very interesting ring it's a very interesting place like i hope that in future versions of like the nchl franchise like in the video game like you make that like an arena you can still play in just for like the fun novelty like an unlockable arena or something like

I think that'd be like kind of fun, but like it's a, I mean, it's a 5,000 seed arena. And all throughout the game, like they were bringing up calls for fans to vote on the propositions that would essentially allow the big arena project to exist in Arizona. So yeah, there was a, it was a very unique experience. Also for people asking, people wondering, oh, do you get those actual like mullet hair things? I think that was just a one game option, or one type. thing at the beginning of the year. It's not something that they do every game. Gotcha. And Gary Bettman was, you know, this week was on the video, right, with that whole proposition for the arena. Yep. So we know that that's top of my, listen.

Arthur Stapel is going to drop by here in a second. Real quick, before State jumps in, I want to ask you, because we're going to be spending a lot of time on the Eastern Conference here, you saw the defending Stanley Cup champions with your own eyes on Saturday night. the Colorado Avalanche, they're kind of waking up here. Is that the team to beat? You've obviously followed the Western Conference a lot closer than I have being a team that, you cover a team there. Are the Avs still the class of the West, in your opinion?

They look so scary up front. And once everybody gets healthy, like I can't think of any team in the Western Conference, and that's no disrespect to Winnipeg and Dallas, who, if they were somehow slotted in a first round matchup against Colorado, that they would be like, oh, no, we can take them. It's just the speed, the way they defend as well. Like, you have Nathan McKinnon, who is no lower than two, as far as I'm concerned, in terms of best players in the world, is like, just seeing him up close is, like, incredible.

Like, there are people I was sitting next to in the press box at Ball Arena. And like, every time Nathan McKinnon tried to make some rush up ice, we're just looking at each other, just being like, like, what are we doing here? In terms of comparing other Western Conference teams, like, they are on a different level from everybody else. And at the pace that they're on, but this is a team we're thinking like,

oh man, like, you know, maybe they, they, they keep the team together as much as they can despite the injuries and maybe they just kind of

slotted as a wildcar team. There's a chance if they keep this going. They can end up being the best team in the Western Conference when it's all set is done. If they like keep this going. I don't know. They,

they look very, and in that game, they didn't have Kail McCar, Gabe Landisog is still hurt. They're playing the second night of a back-to-back. I don't know. I know I wrote about it for the athletic, obviously,

and Jacob Barksstrom allowing goals in the first two shots that he saw. But I don't know, that's still a, that's a team to me that unless I see Dallas and Winnipeg really take them to the mat and knock them down, as far as I'm concerned, Colorado is still that team to beat for me. But again, like I, you know, again, no disrespect to Dallas and Winnipeg. I just think with Colorado, with what they've been able to do in the playoffs, the way that they've been able to get through these rounds, the way they, they still have that dominating play style that works so effectively and is so hard to stop.

Like, essentially, you just have to hope if you're other teams that, like, Colorado just won't be at 100%. There's still a chance they might not be, but when you're getting all of those guys slowly coming back, I think when talking to Peter Baugh, like, you know, K.L McCar will eventually come back. Like, it's, it's, man, this is such a scary team to watch up front, man. They're scary. It's crazy. All right, Julian. And yeah, like I said, we're going to probably focus a lot, even though Colorado's looking dynamite. We're going to focus a lot on the Eastern Conference after a wild weekend in which it felt like everybody was just loading up.

Let's bring in our New York Rangers writer, Arthur Stable, also the host of the co-host of the Garden Faithful podcast alongside Steve Valliquette. Arthur Staple, welcome to the Monday edition of the pod. How often is Arthur Staple refreshing his phone, Twitter, checking your text messages right now as we wait for the the Patrick Kane News? Well, I know it's not going to happen now, so it's fine. The cap gymnastics sort of dictate it's going to be a couple days. The really the only thing we're waiting for right now is to see what Keondre Miller's, what's going to happen with him as far as a hearing goes.

These last few days since it seemed like it was full speed ahead for this cane trade, the way the Rangers have been contorting themselves with their roster and all the attendant nonsense that's happened, It's been pretty ridiculous with these guys the last three games or so. And they actually won one last night. They were down to 14 skaters at one point with two healthy guys sitting in full uniform on the bench. I haven't seen that one in a while. And I don't think I'll see it again.

And I'm sure that they don't want to see it for much longer. So the sooner they can make this deal, the soonest time they can make this deal, they'll do it. Yeah, I wonder with the way that those two players, I think Braden Schneider was one. I'm trying to remember the other one. Ryan Carpenter. There we go. Ryan Carpenter is the other name. The fact that they're sitting on the bench, they're healthy guys. Maybe they played a couple seconds.

I didn't get to watch the game. But like, there's no way the league looks at that and things like, oh, we're just going to let that slide, right? Like, there's something that kind of has to be done. It's a little bit ridiculous. All for Patrick Kane, which, look, a marquee player, we've made the point on the podcast that, like, you know, there's still a star quality and a star name named to him. But, like, there's no way that, like, the league looks at what they did the other night with those two players sitting. and they think, oh, yeah, we want more teams to do this when it comes to acquiring players. All in the name of recruiting Cap Space, right?

Yeah, I mean, nobody says you have to make the deal either. And this, you know, they've already gone out and got Vladimir Teresanko, they got Nico Mikula, they got Tyler Mott. There's certainly a debate to be had whether they need Patrick Kane on this team that's already a pretty good team and already has lots of offensive firepower. But it seems like that train left the station a long time ago and they're going to do it. And obviously, part of them doing it is doing what they did the other night, which is basically bubble wrapping Braid Schneider and Ryan Carpenter, making sure that they didn't see the ice. Even as Keandre Miller got ejected, and again, you don't have to spit on a guy, I would say is the other argument, the counter argument to is that like, hey, you guys could have made it through with 16 skaters. If one of your guys didn't spit and drew Dowdy's face, Mika's advantage had took a big Dowdy shot off his ankle. He did come back.

So some of these things are self-inflicted, for sure. And the cap situation, you know, everybody seems to be in cap hell these days. And it's, you know, like I said, the question is, do they need Patrick Kane? I suppose that's for a different time because they're going to get them. It certainly seems that way. It's just what they have to do to get there is, has been a little bit ridiculous for sure. You know, Arthur, you've brought up the Keondre Miller spitting incident. And let's, you know, for a moment, let's just dive into that because I think if you just see the clip with no context. It's awful, right? I mean, here's Conjury Miller, right in Drew Dowdy's face, spitting on him.

You were there, you've talked to the people involved. Like, what's your sense and, you know, what's your feeling on how and why this happened? And do you expect there to be extra discipline here for the Rangers defensemen? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think he's getting suspended. It was clear cut, you know, completely accidental. I think Keandre Miller, you know, there was nothing that precipitated it that would say it would ever warrant that kind of thing. There was no heated exchange between the two of them. I think as Drew Daddy said, he's like, I don't even think I said anything to the guy.

They were just sort of skating into a post-wistle scrum. Nobody was throwing punches. Nobody was ready to, you know, pull gloves and sticks out or helmets off or anything like that. It just happened. And I think it would, you know, Kieondri Miller is a pretty calm, collected guy and doesn't necessarily have a reputation for flying off the handle. I'm sure, you know, he seemed, you know, through a couple team sources that I talked to, he seemed quite remorseful, admitted he did it, couldn't say why he did it, went to Drew Dowdy afterwards and tried

to explain himself. It seemed like that maybe buried the hatchet a little bit. I'm sure Drew Dowdy, who's been in a league a long time, never happened to him before. I was thinking, you know, who is this guy and why is he doing this to me? So, but having said all that, I don't think saying it was an accident gets you out of jail for the discipline part. So I think, you know, the precedent was set, whatever it was four years ago when Garnett Hathaway spit on Eric and Branson, and those are two heavyweight guys who were probably angry with each other or ready to go or whatever. And that was three games. If this one is two, you know, that seems like a fair penalty. If it's three, I assume that's fair

too. It's just something that can't happen in a game. And I'm sure Keandre Miller knows that. I don't know if in that situation from a couple years ago, you could say there was anything that was an accident. But I wonder in that. this case, if Kandre Miller maintaining that, you know, what he did was accidental and him going to Drew Dowdy to try to resolve things, I wonder if that plays at all in the league's mind when it comes time to talking to him on the, for the Department of Player Safety. Yeah, you know, I think just talking to a league source a little bit last night, they're saying like, I think 99% of hearing start with, I didn't mean to do it, you know, whether it's cross check to the face or

a sucker punch or any of the offenses that can get you. is suspended these days, I don't think intent was necessarily the foremost thing on the player's mind. So I think this kind of falls into that category, even though it seems like a much more deliberate act, even an accidental spit is still a spit and it's still something that's considered beyond the pale in the hockey code and in the hockey rulebook. So I don't think there's a chance he avoids a suspension here. You know, I think right now in the next day or so, probably a lot of the attention will be on Miller and what the fallout is. And then we'll probably all go rushing back to Patrick Kane before the deadline on Friday.

And I thought it was so interesting, Arthur, when the devil's traded for Tim O'Meyer, we were waiting. It felt like forever to see what the return was. What's your best guess on a potential return to Chicago for Patrick Kane? And is there a way that the Rangers can execute this deal and not give up Caco or Lafranier? or anything of that ill core. Are they going to have to part with one of those premium assets to get a rental in Patrick King? Well, I'll say if they were going to part with a roster player who was making a decent amount of money,

the trade would have already happened because they wouldn't be doing all these cap gymnastics. So I think that's your first clue that they did not give up anything off their roster, nothing of value in the organization, all of their prospects played in the HL the other night after kind of the first wave of moves where they traded battali crops out to Vancouver to free up some cap space that put jakelicision on waivers to free up some more cap space um so my my understanding is uh you know scott powers has been working this from the chicago end and we've combined on a couple stories we're both pretty pretty aware that this is going to be just a draft pick deal um there's not going to be a first round pick involved maybe there's a conditional there's conditions that could turn

something into a first if the Rangers make the conference finals or the Stanley Cup finals. But my understanding is Chris Jury was not going to be willing to give up a first, especially after having given up one of their two firsts in this draft for Vladimir Tarasenko and Nico Mikola. I think he was holding pretty firm in the belief that Patrick Kane only wants to be a Ranger. You know, this isn't a free-for-all where everybody can throw in their best bid and Chicago's got lots of offers to pick from. It certainly seems like Patrick Kane has told the Hawks make the best deal you can with the Rangers. It's either that or I'm going to, you know, maybe get surgery on the hip, on his hip that needs something done down the road. So that kind of boxed in Chicago right away.

And I don't think the Rangers were willing to help out a team, even in the pursuit of getting a, you know, a surefire Hall of Famer. So, you know, if you see a second round pick plus another mid-round pick, I would think that might be it. And it sounds like, you know, you say to yourself, how can you not get a first round pick for Patrick Kane, even at his age and with his health status right now? I think there's a lot of factors that go into it, but it certainly seems that's the case. What I'm wondering, it's out there that it seems like the earliest a trade between the Rangers and the Hawks could happen could be Wednesday with all the different captagnastics going on. What's stopping the Rangers from and the Hawks from getting this done on deadline day? If this is all being done in the name of accruing as much cap space as possible to make this work,

why not max this out until the last possible moment on deadline day as opposed to, you know, all right, let's see if we can get it done on Wednesday or maybe Thursday is the day to do it. Like what's like, why do I see this going down right to the wire on Friday? Well, mostly to do with the schedule. You know, I think the Rangers, what they've done with their roster these last three games is not something they want to continue to do. They play Wednesday in Philly. They play Thursday at home against Ottawa. So I think the goal is to get their roster as complete as it's going to be ahead of Friday

and not have to worry about something else going wrong, another injury. You know, they lost Ryan Lindgren in the Washington game. They were holding their breath on Mika's Abinajad last night. So I think they feel like what else can go wrong here after they've had a season of incredible health and good success. Now, you know, they turn their backs for a minute. It's like the, it's like the online meme of Donald Glover from community goes to get the pizza and comes back in and the rooms on fire. This is, this is how the Rangers feel these last couple games. Brilliant reference, sir. Brilliant. That's how old I am. I can't show the meme. I can just describe it. That's the old

man version. But it's, you know, I think they just want to get it done. I'm sure Patrick Kane, who's in Chicago away from the Hawks, wants to get it done. and get here. So if they can do it by Wednesday, I think a little bit rides on what their roster is going to look like. If Ryan Lindgren can at least dress for a game, he might dress for a game and not play on Wednesday, and then they can make it happen on Wednesday. But if Keandre Miller, as we expect, get suspended at least the next couple, maybe they

push it to Thursday just in terms of having a full roster. So I don't, I think the cap situation says they can do it as early as Wednesday. I think they would want to do it by Wednesday to get Patrick Kane in the lineup and have a full compliment of players. But failing that, the earliest they can do it to try to get this guy into a game and try to be done with all of the shenanigans that they've had to do these last few days is probably their top priority. And by the way, as we've been recording this podcast here, Candery Miller has actually put a statement out. And I'll just read it. It's very quick on Twitter, Miller writing, I wanted to take a moment to address what occurred in last night's game. I have all the respect in the world for Drew Dowdy

and what happened was completely accidental. I would never intend to do something like that on purpose. It goes against everything I am as a person and player. I felt awful about it. I am thankful Drew gave me the opportunity to apologize and explain myself in person after the game. So there, as you said, 99% of these are a, I didn't mean to do it and that's the route that Keandre Miller has taken.

Now, you mentioned that, you know, don't have to trade for Patrick Kane because they already kind of went big game hunting. They got Vlad Teresenko. Arthur, we've seen nine games now of Vlad Teresenko. Like how, he's got two goals and four points. And so from an outsider's perspective, that might seem underwhelming. But how would you say he's fit in? Easy transition.

Does it look like he's, he's jelling well with this group? I think he's having a little trouble with it. You know, we were out in Western Canada right after he made his debut. And he said he was having a hard time, you know, his first new team in 11 years in the NHL and his whole life, professional life is in St. Louis. His family's in St. Louis. So I think it's a big adjustment for him. He does have Artemi Panarin, who's known for a long time. They combined to beat Canada back in 2011 in the world juniors. So they have some good history together on the ice and international events. But he's never really played with him in the NHL and certainly not with any of the other guys on the Rangers. So, I think it's an odd situation where you've got a guy who was a star, one of the main characters in St. Louis through Stanley Cup, through a decade of playing. And now he's the guy that's got to adjust to everybody else. So I think it's taking him some time. And the fact that Christori made this trade so far ahead of the deadline was probably a shrewd move to give him that kind of time and get acclimated and figure out where he fits.

Now I would imagine you have to kind of reshuffle the deck a little bit when Patrick Kane gets here and figure out where everybody goes. because you have so many stars. But it's been an adjustment, and I think they're okay with that because they want him to be comfortable, and now is not really the most important time of the year for the Rangers. They kind of know, you know, they're 10 points clear of the wild card chase in the east.

They're about 10 points behind Carolina, maybe 8 or 6 or 8 behind Jersey. You know, they're going to finish second or third, probably third in that division. And I think they're really using these last 22 games to kind of sharpen their focus, play the way they want to play, be healthy, figure out where all their new guys fit

and be ready for the playoffs. So they've given themselves some good runway here with Tarasenko and I guess with Kane to try to figure out what works best. And it's going to be a challenge for Gerard Galant and his coaching staff. You don't see teams like this in the salary cap era of so many skilled guys, you know,

trying to fit in on two power play units. The Rangers have a very dominant top power play unit. and these top two lines that they've got to try to figure out what works best and really try to play as complete a game as they can. Their biggest issue when they lost four in a row before last night was they weren't playing good defense. I don't know if Patrick Kane or Vladimir Tarasenko helps you play good defense, but they have to figure it out in the context of a team system. And they've got some time to do it. And like I said, if they were chasing one of those last playoff spots or hunting for first place in the Mets,

Metro, it might be a little different, but they're kind of coasting, I guess. You know, I don't think that's how they would look at it, but they kind of know where they're going to be for playoff time. So I think they're giving themselves some time to experiment and tinker a little bit. What are your thoughts on Igor Shusirkin's year? The reigning Vesina of winner from last season, just looking at stats really quickly here, 26 and 7 record, but a 9-10 save percentage and a 265 goals against average. not necessarily the same quality of numbers we saw from him last season with the New York Rangers. What have you thought about his year so far and how he could shape up when it comes time for the Rangers to make a playoff run? I mean, they need him.

They need him to be, if not, Bez and a trophy winning Eurasia Sturkin at least a notch or two above what he's been. And he's, you know, he's a guy who's incredibly hard on himself. He doesn't really talk too much after games. He's just too, you know, he's too intense beating. himself up a bit after he has a bad game. I talked to him, you know, early in the year when he was kind of at the same level struggling a little bit and he'd taken up meditation on off days between games to try to calm his mind a little bit. But I think, you know, when you throw down a season like he did last year, which was one of the five best goalie seasons in the history of the NHL, you know,

as high at 937 or 936 save percentage, you know, there were Hoshchek type numbers that he put up last year. And that is an impossible standard to set for a guy like him, especially a young guy like that. So I think there was going to be some natural, you know, regression for him this year. I don't think he thought it would go this far. But, but I think the confidence that the team has in him hasn't really wavered, you know, he gives up a few more goals than you'd think. But I think as a team, they play a lot better than they did for the bulk of last season where they were really relying on him, you know, to steal games. So I'm curious to see how. he'll handle these last 22, whether he gets, you know, 15 or so of the 22 starts left.

Yarra Halak has been real good as his backup. But obviously, you know, this time of year, get into the playoffs, the backup doesn't really matter. It's all about the number one guy. And Shasturkin is still clearly the number one going into the playoffs. And last season in the playoffs, I think maybe people forget because they went so far. He was terrible against the Penguins, the first few games. He got pulled in both games three and four in Pittsburgh. You know, that was, I think people were wondering.

is this guy, you know, is this really the guy? You know, his first real playoff experience, and he was, he looked really shaky for a little while there before he got himself steadied. So maybe they're feeling like he's getting the shakiness out of the way now and he'll be ready because he knows how sharp you have to be once you get into the playoffs, especially if they're going to be facing Jersey or Carolina, too incredibly potent, high-powered offenses to throw a lot of shots at you.

So I think, you know, they feel like if he's going to have his struggles, they'd rather have him now than in April. A final question for you here before we let you go. Saturday is a game that I think hockey fans should probably have circled on their calendar. In fact, it's going to be one of those nationally televised ABC games in the U.S. They're going to show it nationally here in Canada on Sportsnet. It's the Bruins. It's the Rangers.

And I got to ask you, what kind of test is that game for the Rangers? And maybe they'll have Patrick Kane. Maybe that'll be his debut game. And, you know, this will be a test. Like, how much are you looking forward to that game to maybe see in? Hey, where do the Rangers stack up against the team that right now people think is the best in the east in Boston? You know, if the Rangers have their full competent players, I am intrigued. You know, I think the Bruins came in when the Rangers were still bobbing along at 500, the first couple months of the season.

And it wasn't even close at the Garden back in November. So this will be a better test. The Rangers have obviously been a lot better at the last two months. But, yeah, you know, it's hard to gauge right now. I'm sure they'll have Cain by then. Will Keandre Miller be back? Will Ryan Lindgren be back? You know, those are two guys that

kind of make their defense what it is in more, you know, not necessarily Miller, but Lindgren kind of in that supportive role for Adam Fox as his partner. And without Miller, Jacob Trub was a little bit more lost. So if you have one, if you're missing one or both of those guys,

I don't know how eagerly people are going to want to watch it because it couldn't be another ruin steam roll. But I think, you know, at full compliment, and like you said, if that is Patrick Kane's first game, what a great stage national, you know, across North America against the top team in the league, it'll be interesting to see how they use him,

how he gets acclimated, how quickly he can rekindle that, that chemistry that he had with Artemey Panarin that's made him want to reunite with him for seemingly this entire season. We've been talking about whether Kane was going to want to come to the Rangers or not. So, yeah, there's a lot of intrigue.

You know, it feels like this, this trade has been agreed upon and we're just sort of waiting for it for days now. And then finally, once the guy gets here, there's still more intrigued to come about how well he fits, how he's going to play. A lot of eyes are going to be on the Rangers. And I think, you know, that's kind of the way it's been a lot over the years. You think back to the early 2000s with Messier, when, you know, Gretzky was here, Messier came back, Eric Lindross, Theo Fleury, you know, didn't work so well.

Didn't work so well in the early 2000s when Glenn C, you know, Sather was collecting over the hill Hall of Famers. But I don't know, Patrick Kane's quite that far over the hill. And certainly the team itself is in a lot better place than it was back then. So it'll still be fun to watch. And a lot of attention is going to be coming on the Garden for sure. Yeah. And you know what?

However it shakes out, we just look forward to your coverage for the readers with the Athletic, for the listeners on the Garden Faithful Podcast with you and Steve Alicat. You have no shortage of topics to get through. So we appreciate you taking a few minutes out of your super. super busy scheduled to join us. Thanks for this and good luck for what should be a crazy week ahead for you. All right. Thanks, guys. All right, yeah, it's going to be really interesting, Julian, with Arthur Staple this week,

so we appreciate him dropping by. And you know what I love is that we're starting to see, it feels like in the East, as much as there's so much intrigue, it feels like we have our first round matchup set in the division, right? In Toronto, Tampa, we'll get to that in a second. but Devils Rangers feels like it's, we feel like it feels like about a 90% chance

it's going to happen. We just talked at length with Arthur about what the Rangers have done. How about New Jersey Devils? They go out and they get Timo Meyer in exchange for a huge package of certainly maybe quantity over quality depending on how you want to look at it,

but look, they gave up a bunch of assets. Timo Meyer goes from San Jose to New Jersey. Do you now put New Jersey up there, Julian? Do they deserve to hang with the Rangers who went to the final four last year, with Tampa who's been to three straight Stanley Cups, to Boston and Carolina who are leading their division? Do we put the devils there or not? They play in a conference that has Boston and Tampa Bay,

and I have them like right at the top. I'm pretty high on the Rangers, but, you know, we discussed the fact that, Gorses-Juriken is not playing at the Vesna caliber level that we expect him to play at. The devil's, like, in a weird way, I feel like they're playing with House Money, but because of a move like this, like you go from, oh, you know, we'll just see what happens we're playing with House Money to, okay, you've just opened up this competitive window and you're taking this seriously. We have to talk about Carolina, too.

I think the fact that they were able to get Meyer, as opposed to the Hurricanes who were also linked to him, is a very big win in itself. Yeah, I mean, you have to take them seriously. I don't know if I put them on the same level as a Boston or a Tampa. I mean, you know, Toronto is probably a notch below those guys too. But we all know what their playoff struggles, and where they could be slotted up with that matchup against Tampa Bay, that affects things too.

I guess around the same places where I'd find the Leafs, like it's just they win that first round against the Rangers if it ends up being the matchup, because they're actually the devils are three points behind the Hurst. hurricanes right now in that metro division. But like, if the devils get that win over the Rangers in that first round, if it ends up being the series, like, that definitely is something to take notice of. Otherwise, like, I mean, I like the idea that like they've seemingly transitioned from

a mid team to a team that looks to be competitive with a piece like Timel Meyer who will slot into their top line and people are envisioning him and Jack Hughes playing together. I see them I mean, yeah, maybe I take them a little bit more seriously that I would have before the weekend began. I don't know if I'm ready to say, okay, they could hang with Boston and Tampa Bay yet, but like I definitely think their team

that needs to be taken seriously. Okay, I can't help but notice. There's one, and I bet you this fan base is screaming at their device right now listening to us. That's Hurricanes fans. Yeah. Carolina fans are going to be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

I noticed you guys didn't really talk about the hurricanes. And here's what I thought interesting. Yeah, they're quiet. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Carolina was the one team in the East who didn't make one of these big additions and they got to the cup? Like, look, they were obviously in on Timel Meyer. And I think they'll do something at some point in the next few days. But I just feel like a lot of people are sleeping on the hurricanes.

You know, all season, I think you were the same way as me. All season, when we do our. are predictions of who's going to come out of the east, who's going to win the cup. I've picked Carolina every time. I just think they're quiet. They're deep. I like their defense.

Goaltending, I'm not 100% sold on, but there's a bunch of teams in the east where I don't know where they're going to go with their goaltending. Do you think Carolina has to do anything? Like, I think everybody, New Jersey is added, Toronto has added, the Rangers have added, Boston is added, you know, everybody has added. Tampa has added. We're going to get to that too. But does Carolina need to add something now just to,

Like I'd hate for somebody to make a trade for the sake of making a trade because she's like, well, everyone else is doing it. That's a really good team in Carolina. They're Stanley Cup worthy right now. Do they have to do anything? I mean, like, what do you want them to do now? Because like some biggest fish are like gone. Right?

Fill in the gap for patcher ready. Right. But like Timo Meyer might have done that. He's gone. All these other bigger pieces that might have been options for them. Like they're, they're out of it. Like who are you going? going to get at this point that's going to, I guess, fulfill that.

Like, I wonder if the piece that they would try to get would be somebody who were not necessarily thinking of. But, like, I don't know. And you see, like, we're going to get to it with the Tampa Bay thing. Like, you got to be mindful of some of these prices out here, too. Like, who is out there right now? That, like, what, is Max Domi going to fill in that gap? Like, is he the guy you want in that position?

Uh, is, I mean, Ivan Barbertschev's already gone, too. I don't think Brock Besser does it for them. Do you just, I'm going, I'm literally going through the NHL trade board off the athletic, which is a really great resource, by the way. But like who, like who is out there that like unless, I would see it like this. I think if the canes are able to make a move where they don't have to give up a boatload of pieces, like depending on whatever the deal is for Max Domi, for example, I see Kevin Hayes is there.

I know he's had a decent year in Philly. Like, what are they? they going to do with that move? Like, is that enough to say like, hey, we did something? I mean, you're right. Like, they're a cup contending team right now. They play a good defensive structure. They're tough to play against. Maybe they don't necessarily have to, but I can understand the envy that comes with like, you know, you see all these other teams, especially in your division load up. And you feel like you have to do something. They might still win the division anyway. So maybe they don't. I'm kind of on the fence. I don't think they necessarily need to, you know, open the vault to make

something happen. The only thing I'm not sold on their goaltending, right? And they've kind of had a Yeah, that's very fair. That's the only thing. But anyway, but I just think that's really interesting. Now, Tampa Bay, I think a lot of people were shocked, capital S, shock, when the trade for them to get Tanner Geno from Nashville. And that's exactly the type of guy they've added at the deadline. right, Nick Paul and Brandon Hegel and go back to the Blake Coleman and those types of guys that they were getting. It's always that

kind of middle six guy that adds a little bit of grit and all that stuff. Okay, I get it. But the price was high. It's a first round pick. It's a second round pick. It's a third round pick. A fourth, a fifth, and Cal foot. The gang of Cap Friendly

said, Julian, that they believe this is the first trade that they could ever fine in which a team gave away a first, second, third, fourth, and fifth in the same trade. Here's what's interesting. As we record this podcast on Monday afternoon, Julian Breesbois, the general manager of the Tempe Lightning, has given his side of things here, the explanation. And he says, quote, when we look at what it's worth to us based on the odds of those draft picks turning into good NHL players down the road, I'd rather have the good player right now for

this season and next and help this group win right now because I know what the odds are of those picks turning into players. I also know the odds are of what those picks are turning into players that can help us win while we have this group of players right now in their prime ready to go for another long run. Basically Julian Breezeball saying I owe it to the head. Edmund, Stamco's, Kuch, Vazelavsky, you know, Surgichiev group, I owe it to them to win now. Yeah, that's his right. I don't have a problem.

I don't have a problem with him doing what he needs to do to ensure that that core stays up and they remain competitive every single year, especially when you have the list of players they have playing at such a high level. I don't have a problem with that. And on top of that, like, you know, made, especially not to this extent, but yes, fine.

He's made moves for guys like a Blake Coleman or, or Brandon Hagle at the, or Nick Paul. And, and, and you offer up those high-end draft picks. And it works. You can't really fault for Julian Breesbaw for doing it again when it's worked for him in the past. My whole thing is just on the surface, when you look at it from a standpoint of, you know, an NHLG, I'm doing this to like NBA trades. And so many people are looking at this and saying like, man, this is an NBA trade where teams are starting to really look down the line with some of their future picks and say like, you know what? Let's chuck them away so we can get this good player right now.

It is just kind of interesting that like in the NHL we have, oh, okay, Julian Breezebaugh is doing this to get a third line player essentially because that's what Tanner Genoa is going to be with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Compared to the NBA, we're like, okay, maybe you get Russell West. Westbrook out of it. And look, Russell Westbrook is washed compared to what we've seen him at his MVP form. But like, if you're flipping picks to get him, like, okay, like there's a star you're getting in or Kevin Durant, for example. It's just, that's what I find the most interesting thing about it. I'm not going to sit here and doubt Julian Breezeball for what he did. My thing is just like, for people who are going to say like, yeah, this is an NBA style trade. Like, yeah, we're starting to see GMs get creative. Like, this is kind of a really interesting trade to kind of. hoist up in the air and be like, hey, GMs are getting creative and saying screw these draft picks down the line. I don't have a problem with Breezebott saying that, you know what, or essentially saying that, you know what,

I'm going to make sure this core is happy and that they can compete every year. It's just, man, like, tears or not. Like, he better be worth it for all those picks. That big said too, that top, that first round pick he gives of 2025 is lottery protected. So if the lightning, for example, just fall off a cliff that year as a try. I be competitive, at least they can have that going for them. It's just, man, that's a lot for a guy who's an RFA at the end of the year.

He's getting paid under a mill. Again, just play on your third line. But hey, if it works, it works. Yeah, it's, I wonder, is that, was that like a parting gift for David Poyle? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. And they're like, here's a first, a second, a third, a fourth, and a fifth. Now, on the weekend, full credit, Elliot Friedman, the first to break this, that Barry Trots will come back to Nashville and take over from David Poil to serve as the general manager.

Now, Barry Trots, of course, one of the most successful head coaches in the salary cap era. Look, back in the day, Julian, there used to be Pat Quinn was the last guy, I think, to do it on a kind of somewhat regular basis. But guys could actually be the head coach and the general manager at the same time. Simultaneous, dual role. Pat Quinn did it. Others have done it. Darrell Sutter's done it And people in Calgary Every time that gets mentioned, people cringe at that. Yeah, Sutter did it.

I think Scottie Bowman did it in Buffalo, maybe. But anyway, long story short, do you ever, like, if ever you were going to pick a guy to do it, I mean, Barry Trots would be the guy because of his success as a coach, he's not going to try his hand and being kind of in charge of player of personnel

in front office. Do you think it's possible in the salary cap world to wear both hats? Or it's just, it's too complicated with the gymnastics of the cat, and all that stuff. You know what? Separate the two things.

You can't do them both. It just seems so hard, man. Like, you're focusing on getting your team, especially if you're a competitive team. You're focusing on every day to make sure your team is good. And then you got to work in your room with your AGMs and all that and your capologists and whatever to ensure that the team is cap-compliant. Like, in terms of capologist, like, there might not be anybody better at that job than

Julian Breezebaw. Could you imagine him in the scenario where he's trying to balance the books but also has to be in some random game in Detroit coaching the team. Like that's just so much on one plate at a time. Like I can't imagine doing both of those jobs at once. I can understand if you're a head coach and you get hired. And if you have a little bit of cachet, you want some say on personnel decisions. But like, do you have to go all the way and be head coach and GM?

I have always envisioned that as such a really tough. thing to do at the same time, like both jobs. Yeah. No, I think so too. I think it'd be tough. Unless you had an unbelievable assistant GM and an unbelievable cap person and an unbelievable insulation, maybe, but you're right. It's just when you bring up the Julian Breezebaugh, imagine he has to coach tomorrow night. You know what? It's a great point. All right. I want to get to a couple of emails. Yeah, no. Yes. It is. It'd be hard. I want to get to a couple of emails here. A reminder you can always send emails to us, the athletic hockey show at gmail.com.

Last week, you and I talked about how funny was it. Ryan O'Reilly got traded to Toronto. And in his first game, he goes to the bench to give himself a little bit of a water shower. And he ends up accidentally dumping red bio steel all over himself. Julia rode in and says, you know, I got a great story about mixing things up. In my early 20s, I was in something called the California Conservation Corps, where we built wilderness trails, cut hazard trees, all these things. for low pay for physical labor. We were camping in a state park for an eight-day work week.

Every morning at 5 a.m., somebody would get up to make cowboy coffee using water from a big igloo, one of those big igloo jugs in the camp. Well, one memorable morning we woke up poured our coffees only to take a big sip and spit it out in horror. The person making the coffee had accidentally mixed up the two igloo drinks and made the coffee with blue Gatorade. Needless to say, it was not good. And our supervisor made us drink it or go without coffee

because we did not have enough supplies to make any more. Blue Gatorade coffee. Imagine, you know, sometimes you hear these stories of how you accidentally stumble upon something great. Like, I'm sure the first person that ever had chocolate and peanut butter together, maybe it was an accident. Imagine this was like blue Gatorade and coffee was like, life-changing.

It was good. It made so much fun. I'm not going to lie. As you were reading that email and then it brought up coffee, I was like, I hope nobody thought to like pour coffee of themselves. Like that is a very dangerous endeavor. And the blue Gatorade thing is something I did not expect. No, not at all.

Like that coffee and blue Gator, I mean, first off, blue Gatorade is overrated as a flavor as it is. Two, like. What's the flavor? Coffee is the flavor? I don't know. What flavor is it? It's blue.

What is it? It's blue. Like, okay, congrats. It's some kind of berry thing. Like, orange for the win, people. I'll stand on that hill. Orange or the white one, like,

even the lime one is better than blue. Are we just strictly talking Gatorade? Yeah, like it. Orange, orange is better. Lyme is better. Fruit punch? Yeah. The fruit punch.

The red one is really good. Yeah. Like, blue is overrated as a, it's, it's great. Blue is like, blue is fine. but like there are so many other better flavors. There are people like, yeah, Blue Gatorade is the best.

Like, no, it's not. It's not. Blue is only good with a freezy. You're having a freezy? Yeah. That's when Blue is elite. Yeah, that's what is good. But definitely I agree that Blue Gatorade and coffee,

nah, we ain't doing that. No, okay. We also spoke last week on the show about where would be a really cool and fun venue to have an outdoor game, And I floated the idea, could they ever do something at the Grand Canyon? Yes.

Chris from Vegas has written in. Quick story for you, November 2016, my sister and her family came to visit my husband and I in Vegas. We decided to go on a quick trip to the Grand Canyon. As I turned off the interstate to head up to the South Rim,

I noticed it was starting to snow. And it was picking up. We get to the Grand Canyon. What was happening? Full out blizzard. Couldn't see a thing. We stayed overnight at a hotel near the Grand Canyon, what did we wake up to?

A crystal clear snow-covered Grand Canyon at sunrise. I've never seen anything more naturally beautiful in my life, which is to say the following. Instead of an outdoor game and bringing in thousands of fans and possibly inflicting some environmental damage to the Grand Canyon or Lake Louise, we need to have a specialty all-star skills event there, ASAP. Instead of shooting pucks and surfboards on the beach, how about shooting at the base of the Grand Canyon?

What about the fastest skater at Lake Louise on a rink with no boards for player safety? And get those all-star games scheduled for Calgary and Arizona now and do the skills at the natural backdrops close by. That's from Chris in Vegas. You appreciate that, Chris. Wow, man. I got to say, when I was in, when I was with Grand Canyon's, I guess, like Nevada. Or no, it kind of ties off on Arizona and Nevada, actually. Yeah, more Arizona, I guess.

But still, like, it was kind of cold. So, like, to know that there's, like, snow that goes down there, like, wow, like, that's a bit of a surprise to me. I didn't, I didn't really look at it that closely. But, like, specialty events and not doing a full game there? Yeah. Hmm. I don't know. That's, I like the idea of the specialty events, if they're cool and they're relevant.

I guess that'd be pretty cool to do. Are we pre-taping this? Are we allowing some fans to be there? Like, I have a lot of questions about that. Yeah. No, no. But hey, like, I'm a big fan of outside the box thinking. I like the outside the box thinking with this one.

But we're going to stay inside the box because what we do on Mondays, we wrap up the pod, Julian, with a couple of quick little questions and segments. And we're going to give the Jack Adams Award of the Week for the best coaching job in the past seven days. Now, Serrano, Nashville, and Boston all went three and all. But so too did Luke Richardson Chicago Blackcoggs. Julian, the team that I think everyone thought was. destined to just bottom out as been winning games. Heck, even winning now without Patrick Kane in the lineup.

He's bubble-wrapped and Chicago's still winning games. And hey, I'm about a little love for Luke Richardson for Coach of the Week. We gave it to, here's my thing now. And I sort of, it's just that tank awareness. Chicago's trying to tank for Connor Bardard. Ah, 3-0 is not great. But also, didn't we give it to Andre Turini? like last week.

We gave the Andre Churney last week we gave it to DJ Smith a couple of weeks before that. Yeah, like that's it. Like, I can't, I can't, we can't not give it to Luke.

Like, like those three, like DJ Smith will exclude him. But like, Andre and Luke, like those guys should not be having three oh, weeks.

Like y'all should be tanking. Y'all should be 0,0 and 3. We should, or 03 and 0. Like, like, they should not be in the spot, but also we can't not shout them out. Like, it's good that,

I mean, not have it in them to tank, but considering the player at the end of the tunnel for them, who could be there. Like, man, and I feel bad that, like, it's only really hitting me now that we should be thinking of it this way, but, like, okay, I guess we can give it to Luke Richardson. Yeah, and you know what, Chicago in the midst, they went three and no last week, in the midst of a five game winning streak. And during that winning streak, Julian, they've beaten Toronto, they've beaten Vegas,

they've beaten Dallas. Like, three teams that I think all have Stanley. Cup aspirations this season, certainly playoff-bound teams. They're not just beating, I know their last one was over San Jose, but it's not like they're just beating the Columbuses and the Arizona's and the, you know, they're beating some good teams here. So we're giving the full shout out to Luke Richardson. But we're going to wrap up with, we're going to tie this all back

to the theme of Eastern Conference powerhouses. Right now, I'm going to ask this question to wrap up the Monday podcast, knowing what we know, who is the team to beat in the Eastern Conference right now? Your options are, A, the Boston Bruins, B, the Carolina Hurricanes, C, the Tampa Bay Lightning, D, the New York Rangers, or E, somebody else. You want to go Jersey, you want to go Toronto, you can do whatever you want. Who is the team to beat right now in the Eastern Conference? It's got to be Boston because of the fact that they're on pace to become one of the greatest,

if not the greatest regular season team of all time. And especially if they do, I mean, they get Demetri Orlov. If they do something else, I have the deadline to, like, man, like this is going to be a juggernaut of a team to go up against in the playoffs. And obviously with the line that they have up top too with Marchan and Pastorok and Bergeron, like, Linus Olmark got a goal to gole goal. We didn't even talk about that in the last few days. Linus Goldmark. Yes, Linus Goldman. Go mark.

Like everything for them is so good from top to bottom. I know Tampa Bay is a really good team and I'm still really high on them. And I still wouldn't surprise me if they found themselves as the top Eastern Conference team left standing. The Rangers are trying to work off some momentum. If they get Patrick Kane, maybe that helps them out. Carolina, people are sleeping on them. But I think there's a reason why.

It's a team like Boston who's been as dominant as they've been in that first round. So they're my, they're my pick for the team to beat in the Eastern Conference right now. Okay. And I know I said earlier that I have been picking. Carolina, like when we do those athletic writer polls, I've been going with Carolina. The more I sit down and think about it, though, the Tampa Bay Lightning are the three-time defending Eastern Conference champions. To me, I'm going to go with this theory.

Until somebody beats them, that's their crown. So you know what? That's fair. I'm going to say the Tampa Bay Lightning, with all of their built-in experience and now they're adding, and obviously maybe they overpaid, whatever, they got a great goalie. a great defense. They've got a core of players. Nagita Kutraos having an MVP caliber season that nobody's talking about. Oddly, a team that has been to three straight Stanley Cups is not being talked about.

And you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to say this. Tampa Lightning of the team to beat in the Eastern Conference. I'm not saying that they're going back, but somebody's got to take them down if they want to get to the Cups. So give me Tampa. Give me Tampa is the team. You know what's funny? Man, like, just with this, you're right. Like, it's funny that, like, the lightning are, they're, like, they're incredible organization, incredible team. Yeah, they've kind of faded in terms of, like, talk about, you know, who should be coming out of the east.

But, like, we really should not be sleeping on those guys. And I wonder how much of that has to do with the fact that, like, they're destined for a Toronto Maple Leafs matchup in that first round. But also, people are kind of quiet on the, on the Leafs, too. I notice they're not, like, up on that, like, list. And I wonder, and I mean, actually, I don't have to wonder. It's that first round jinx that kind of hurts them. Because every other year or any other team, we'd be like, yeah, this team should be considered among the elite.

But like, if we still don't know, I don't know how much of the hockey world truly trust the Toronto Maple Leafs. And I wonder how much of that plays into how we look into, I mean, I think it's everything and how we look into a potential series against Tampa in that first round. There's a lot to that Eastern Conference playoffs. As a guy living in the West now, I'm thankful they are going to be playing. playing at decent hours. So that way, I can stay up and watch the Western Conference games before I go to sleep.

So I just want that out there. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. And listen, when you and I reconvene next Monday, the dust will have settled on the trade deadlines. So we'll have a much better handle on all of that. We want to thank everybody for listening to this Monday edition of the athletic hockey show. Before we get to next Monday show, we're going to be back, a special Friday live trade deadline recap show. Myself, Haley Salvean will be with you live on YouTube, Facebook. Facebook, Twitter.

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