The Athletic Hockey Show - Trevor Zegras of the Anaheim Ducks is good for the game. Bill Guerin named GM of Team USA, COVID 19 outbreak in the NHL; again and the Arizona Coyotes pay their bills

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Craig Custance and Sean Gentille return with a new The Athletic Hockey Show: the Americans. The boys get set to welcome Anaheim Ducks forward Trevor Zegras as their special guest this week, but before they do that, they go in-depth on the comments that John Tortorella made on ESPN on Friday night, on if Zegras' creativity and boss pass is great or bad for the game.Ducks forward Trevor Zegras joins Sean and Gentille's arch rival, The Athletic Hockey Show Monday co-host and known Canadian, Hailey Salvian. Zegras, fresh off practice and a bunch of media commitments in Anaheim discusses the 'Michigan' pass to Sonny Milano, a play which has been viewed over 50 million times on social media, John Tortorella's analysis of the goal, the bounce back season for the Pacific leading Ducks, his friendship with Jack Hughes and Trevor gives us his scouting report on the US roster for the World Junior Hockey Championship.Sean and Hailey also dissect the very fluid situation with possibly another COVID-19 outbreak on the brink of taking over the NHL schedule again.Sean and Craig also address Team USA announcing Bill Guerin being named the General Manager of Team USA at the Olympics, and if players will get cold feet and not go to Beijing with COVID-19 ramping up again. Plus we hit on the Coyotes failure to pay their bills, and where they might play next season and Gary Bettman's proclamation that he has no plans to retire.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey everybody. It's your friendly podcast host of the Athletic Hockey Show, the Tuesday American Edition, joined by my best friend in the whole wide world. Is Jeff going to cut out that sigh at the start? I hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't. This is a world weary man that I'm speaking to right now. Oh, my goodness.

How are you? I'm Craig Gustin's, by the way, everybody. in case you were wondering in case you forgot isn't posting the show or Jeremy Rutherford or whoever Max Max Max and Jeremy

Max and Jeremy they did a great job they really like it's their show occasionally I return that's I mean that's how we should frame this my name is not on the fuck on the logo What it's not their show buddy this show is mine

oh it's the show Hey everybody, can we start over? Hey everybody, welcome to the Sean Gentilee Show. I'm your host, Chris Constance. Why are we not on the cover art? That's a valid question. I think the cover art was made before we existed, and nobody has updated it.

It should just be pictures of our faces. Not our names, not anybody else's. Just you and me. I agree. We have a great show. We're like legit, good show today. We have Trevor Zegris, the man of the moment in hockey, who single-handedly is ruining the sport.

I'm, like, I'm just upset about it, I think. Disgusting. Trevor, like, he's, he's come in, turn the world upside down, way too many highlights and sticks and stands, like throwing, like, terrible for the game. I'm excited to Trevor. Trevor owes me a television set. I was so mad on Friday night.

when I saw his act of disrespect. We play a hard game. We play a hard game, Craig. Do we? I just don't. I just don't like, no. Not me.

What were you like as a youth, as like a youth sports athlete? Oh, soft. See, I wasn't, I wasn't soft. I was not skilled. But I wasn't soft. I was fairly skilled. Great teammate.

It's great in the room. I got the job done, but like, I was, yeah, I didn't have, like, I played football for a long time and didn't have whatever that aggressive gene you need to, like, want to rip people's heads off. But I also, like, am super competitive. You're such a mean guy. I know, it's just hard to believe. But I'm very competitive. So, like, I was okay and I was good and I could have good ball skills, but, like, I could never be the guy that, like, I wasn't cleaning up people, I would say. Well, point of fact is we're going to take Trevor to task here.

He needs to learn a thing or two about respect. Like, of course, so John Tororella goes in ESPN and says it's, what did he say, John, like he didn't like it back in his day. That would have been. We'll do a quick little recap of what he said here for all six people who haven't, who haven't heard it yet. I'm not trying to be a fool here. Well, actually, my position, though, is, is a.

good for the game. I hear Ray, like all the kids are doing it in practice. He said I went Ray Ferraro and stuff like that. Yeah. I'm not so sure. I'm not trying to be a fool here. And he was very measured and calm when he said this for whatever that's worth. Yeah. I'm just not so sure it's great for the game. If you did that back in the 2000s, late 90, you'd get your head ticking off. It's cool. It's cool to watch and all that. But I'm not so sure it's good for the game and I stand by that. All right. Um, can I've got some questions. Do we believe John, I don't think John would ever do TV, But I'm going to throw that out there.

Do we really believe he believes that, like, wholeheartedly? Or do you think he was just trying to engage in some good old television debate? Do you think Torts is ever going to say something he doesn't mean on television? I'm just trying to give him out here. I love John. I just for the record. In fairness, like, well, here's what we should say about that, though. Like, there was some Kabuki theater at play whenever he was doing his act during, like, the peak era with the Rangers, I would say.

And that's not a complete. point. Like, I was 25 or however old I was. That was like the first, it truly was the first playoff series I ever covered was Caps Rangers in 2011 or 2012. Yeah. I think I was, I was 21st. And I was, first off, I was afraid. Like, I, I, I, I, I just didn't know. Torts is like, Torts could easily be like, he's like a, he's like, I said it before, like Don Granado seems like he could be one of my uncles. And that goes for Torts too. Like any hockey coach with an Italian last name, I'm like, yeah, this could be my uncle. This could be my uncle Steve or something.

But I felt the same way about torts. And I also had just like dropped right in the middle of a playoff series. And I was like, I don't want to end up on sports center getting, getting ragdled by torts for asking a dumb question. But even back then, my vibe was like, there's some ulterior mode of a play here. I don't know if he necessarily wants to take it, like left to his devices. I don't know if he would have taken it to that degree every single night. So I guess whatever. Be that as it may.

I don't think he was saying anything he didn't believe on TV on Friday night. All right. So he has to really believe that was bad for the game. And I mean, I guess it's on brand. And it's not about the individual. It's about the team. And it's there's no, you know, I'm trying to find a way to defend this. I don't know.

It's great. Here's the here's the here's the here's the here's the here's the here's the. Here's the way to defend it. John or Trevor? John. All right. Or at least like part of the dialogue surrounding John. Is he wrong about this?

Yes. It's a dumb thing to say. The game was tied. If you want to do something about it, then do something about it. Like I can understand him being, I can understand him being mad if he was, if it was 5-1 and there were two and a half minutes left and whatever. This is, this is a relevant run of play. goal that he was trying to win the game. Isn't that what you want from players is to use their skill to win you hockey games?

That's what doesn't make that. That's what's that. Maybe not. Maybe not. Like you would rather a guy like not go into the bag of tricks and get a safe regulation loss or like, you know, regulation win. Is that it? Is that the implication?

And the other weird thing about what Torts said, maybe not weird. But there was some kind of implication there that in the 90s or 2000s, he would have gotten his head taken off, which is true. That is true. That's a hundred percent. Imagine, imagine him doing that shit. Imagine Ziegers trying to pull that against Chris Pronger. He'd have been concussed. He'd have been killed.

I almost want to have Chris on to ask, what would you react to that? What would you do? What would you have him? I think we've, like, we really should have him on. He'd be funny. I wouldn't mind that. But like, that's not a good thing. It's not a good thing that Trevor Zegers would have been concussed

if he tried that in 2003 by, you know, by whoever. Yeah, this is progress. That's bad. That's bad. You shouldn't, you shouldn't wistfully look back on those times where players had to temper their skill out of fear of being injured. Like, that's not a good thing. It's good that we're past that right now.

So that was the weirdest part of what Torts said to me. But, like, the defense is who gives a shit what John Tortorella says? I do. Hey, can I say something? He's doing TV. He's trying to. You just said he wasn't. You just said he's, this is what he believes.

There's a, there's a collision where things, where things someone believes are also good television in compelling TV. We had the entire league talking about weird. we had, or whatever, a large portion of the sporting population talking about a Trevor Zegris and then the dialogue surrounding Trevor Zegroes on a Friday night. Like, if you don't like what John Tortorella says, make fun of them and move on with your life. Joke about it, move on. I guarantee you it's not going to change Trevor Zegris's approach one iota. You just laugh at him and say, all right, that was a good, that was kind of a funny intermission segment.

Let's move on with our lives. The amount of like outrage. that's been directed at John Tortorella for days, days. Like he said something that was beyond the pale or like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who gives a shit? He's doing TV. You said he wasn't doing TV. Here's the thing about what John Tortorale said. If Trevor Zegro scores this goal or sets up this goal, and John says...

How confusing is that, by the way? How many times have you said that Trevor Zegro's scored this guy? Me, it's like a hundred. I just like, yeah, it's a Ziegers goal. Yeah, by the way, yeah, like, let's let's not forget the other side, but whatever. That's true. That's very true. If John doesn't say this, we're probably not talking about the goal.

So in his own weird way, he's given, he's elevated this goal in his, you know, by not liking the goal and in expressing his 90s opinion or whatever, he has now elevated this goal to, like, he's given another week's worth of juice. And also, we're probably like, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guess what? That's how the sausage gets made on ESPN. That's how the sausage gets made when you have, when you have some increased amount of national attention on your sport, this is what you deal with.

This is the cost of being on ESPN. Not cost. This is the benefit. Yeah, or whatever. Yeah, this is the byproduct of being on ESPN. Did they get like three extra shows out of it? The debate over. I bet you.

Maybe, maybe not. But this is what fans of every other sport have learned to deal with on a daily basis, whether it's football or hoops or whatever. There's good and there's bad. So that's why if you watch the NBA and if you see LeBron James freak out at the end of the game like you did a few weeks ago, you know, you got to deal with Skip Bayliss talking shit for a few days. That's the way it goes. And that's what NBA fans do. They make fun of the dude. They laugh at it.

They move on with their lives. They don't let it turn into some three-day, you know, debate with moral inventory and all this stuff. This is high-profile sports coverage in 2021. This is what you deal with. There's debate. There's people saying goofy shit. You laugh at it and try to find a way to move on. And you kind of grow up.

Like, whatever. So Trevor Zegers is joining the show. Do we want to talk about your... Oh, we'll get it in the third segment. Your scoop, your Snoop Dog interview. Sean Tinskill. I'm going to say that for the third segment because we've got a lot to talk about on that front.

We are recording this. I'm in Chicago. It's, I don't know, 915, my time. You're in Pittsburgh. It's 10.15. At some point, USA hockey has an announcement. We're going to assume it's Bill Guerin being named the GM, so we can talk about it.

it. So Bill Garen's going to take over. I'm starting to think like the point might be moot. Like we can't even get a game. I'm in Chicago. We can't get a Calgary Chicago game played. We're not going to the Olympics, are we? Flames outbreak's not good. That's not good. It's big. It's getting bigger. Might continue getting bigger. I mean, you look at stuff that's happening in other sports. There's a, there's enough, there's a huge uptick in the NFL. You look at the Omicron numbers. I don't know, dude. The big thing is that if you get sick in China,

you're going to have to quarantine for three to five weeks for a player. Do you want to go that bad? I get wanting to play in the Olympics. I mean, I don't know. At some point, you're like, this is not the right thing to do. You have to make the right call here, in my opinion. I wonder, like, I mean, guys are going to go. I think that's sort of what it comes down to.

I don't think there's going to be a team USA with no NHL players on it. Yeah, I mean, I don't. don't know what the answer is. No, I just, it just doesn't seem realistic. Like the NHL doesn't want to go, right? That's true, but that's been true for two years. Yeah. Three years, whatever. Like, whenever that CBA was negotiated. It's, it's, it sucks the joy. Like, we should be talking about Bill Garon and the team he's going to build and the wild and all this stuff. And I'm like, it almost feels like it's an exercise and like, what does it seem to look like? I don't know. To be honest, I'm weirdly compartmentalized on that to tell you the truth. Like, I think this is just part

of the risk that we've all made peace with living with on a day-to-day basis. And you're like, this might happen, which might not. Tomorrow might come. It might not. Might have an NHL season. We might not. Like, going back for, you know, two and a half years. So, like, I'll believe that it goes away when I see it is what I like but the the arrow's pointing the arrow's pointing down for sure but like I don't know man I think I think there's going to be a certain amount of NHL players that are like we're going to go over there for two weeks it's going to suck it was always going to suck yeah you're not going to interact all that much you're going to be in your hotel room and at the rink and we're at like these guys weren't going to go hang out in Beijing or

anything the problem is you know what the problem is Vegas Oh, yeah. That needs to be canceled. That's true. Why does it even exist? That's insane. We don't need to play that game. All right.

So here's what I'll say. And I'm not trying to draw any conclusions here. Okay. You start doing some light timeline work on the Calgary Flames. Guess where they played on December 5th. I'm going to say Vegas. That's right. What is it?

even mean. So you just think, if you go to Vegas, you get COVID? That's your conclusion. Dude, Vegas is like, they had a day off before that. Yeah. They were in Vegas the night before. Yeah. Like, maybe, this is way too speculative. I think I was about to start getting in trouble. But, but like, but seriously, like, travel. No, let's go to maybe what. Hey, I was in Vegas in June. And it's the sign said, if you're not vaccinated, please wear a mask. I, I'm going to assume. everybody was following the rules. Yeah. Everybody,

100% vaccination rate at the casinos I was at. One of my moles was in Vegas and saw one of the flames at the, at the buffet, at the Bellagio and he was underneath the sneeze guard. Yeah. Oh, that's what you're, that's your best buffet is at the cost of policy. Dude, travel is, travel is, yeah. Travel is dangerous again. So it's in, you know, and I know the NHL wants, wants to make money off of the Vegas

all-star weekend. They're desperate for every red scent that they can put in the coffers. But like, that's what needs to go. Not the Olympics. Speaking of money, and we alluded to the NHL not when you go,

guess who's back, John? In a big way, ladies and gentlemen, your commissioner, Gary Betman. Boo! Hello. Hello. Craig. Good to see you again. Oh my gosh. I just saw the flow of comments coming from

was it the Board of Governors Board of Governors and he has not missed a beat. Confident Gary's back. And what was one quote? Where did you think? You think I was going anywhere? You think I'm going anywhere? Like I think people were asking about retirement. Gary's not going anywhere anyone. There's nothing wrong in Arizona. It's the Jordan Belfort speech. from Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving.

So good. Yeah, that was, that was classic, right? That was, that was tour to force stuff from him. It really was. It was just like, full on. I mean, Arizona's a mess, and he just is not even going to acknowledge it. Like, we're so hardened by, or whatever we want to say about Arizona Coyote's news, that when the arena says,

says they can no longer play here because they don't pay the rent. We all go, huh, hi. It's just the latest chapter. I'm like, hey, that's kind of a big deal that a professional sports franchise, the keys don't work anymore to the rink. 17 months or 17 misspayments to the city of Glendale or whatever it was. Miscommunication shot. Miscommunicated.

Yeah, I've had some miscommunications like that in my time. Definitely, definitely not on purpose. Like, I want. Just went 17 months without paying a credit card in college. Yeah. Where they don't... If Glendale is anything like the collection agency that was hounding me at Michigan State... For whoever ran the best buy a credit card in 1999.

Yes. Well, they would give you a T-shirt for signing it for credit cards, of course. I don't know if they still do this predatory behavior. So you're a kid and you're 18 and you sign up for the card. Then you get it and then you buy a bunch of places. station games because that's what one does. And then you get a bill that you can't pay. And so you don't.

And then next to you know, you're locked out of your rink. I think that's, that was the timeline there. It is insane to me that, well, I should, it is. It's one of those things where we're so used to it because it's happening for 20 years at this point or whatever it is. Where you're just like, yeah, whatever. But that was a big deal. Like that story was, well, that's, but that's like, that was like, come on.

that's like the you know that's like the the boiling frog analogy where it's like you can put a frog in a pot of water and if he raise the temperature by a little bit he won't know that he's

that he's cooked by the end that seems like that's that's a thing people say I mean a boiling frog if you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but but if you put him in a pot of cold water and slowly bring it to a boil he'll just sit there and cook so we're just sitting here going you just gradually

lose your ability to realize these environmental, you know, important changes around you. And that seems like that's what this is. Like, like this is, where are they going to play this year, next year? Where? Houston. Do you think so? I mean, the Thrashers, the Mighty Thresh got moved to Winnipeg for much less than this. Like, you mean?

Like, well, yeah. And I also will say that was denied every which way until it actually has. happened. So like all these denials, you know, if mean nothing because then we can wake up tomorrow and they're going to be like, yeah, we're moving to Houston and then we just had to get our ducks in around. I mean, if there's the, I mean, the big variable is that there's an ownership group that wants to keep them in Arizona. Yeah. To some extent. That didn't exist in Atlanta. There's at least a viable. Like if Marulo wanted to sell them or move them already or sell them, he would sell them. Yeah. There's got to be some part of that goofball that wants to keep the team.

How do you make his money, Sean, in your over, over, grievances? Casinos probably. Oh, that's right. Great. Great guy. You can add, add him, add him to Mount Rushmore. We need to, you know, we need an, in the NFL. God, oh God, oh, God, yes.

We need, uh, we need the, we need the, we need the, we need Martin Screlli to, to, to, to be an NHL owner, the guy that, the guy that raised, uh, raised pharmaceutical prices to, to, to, predatory levels and was thrown in, and was eventually thrown in jail for it. Was he the guy that did the EpiPens? Because my daughter has a, there was a point where we were like, this is going to cost a thousand dollars. So my daughter doesn't die of a cashew reaction. And they were like, they cost him a nickel to make. And I'm like, I, you know, yeah. No, he should buy the, he should buy the coyotes. one of the guys that jacks up

the price of insulin or at the pharmaceutical bro. He's in jail. That's pharma bro. Yeah, we don't want that's a, this is the hottest story of 2017. We don't want to do.

We need to get in that. I think, like, I was like, they're going to end up playing somewhere random in Arizona next year. That's going to happen. Why would Glendale want them back?

They're, they're already, they're already booking up, they're already booking up stuff. Yeah. Events for next season. and they've been stiffed on payments by them for God knows how many times over over the last few years. Get lost.

Go away. Go play in the Phoenix Veterans Memorial Coliseum or whatever, someplace with... Great sightlines. Some place with a drop ceiling and 6,000 seats. Convention center, the Scottsdale. Well, because like everyone's doing the lists, right? Like our old buddy Craig Morgan did a did kind of a did a nice breakdown of like here's all the different places they can play. And if the NFL wants there, if the NHL wants to eat shit for a few years and have a team play in a glorified community rink or stick them in the rank that Arizona States building or whatever, which seems nice, but only holds 5,000 people, then like that's what they're going to have to do.

And then the big variable to all this is that there's no, the Tempe Arena deal is not done yet. They're four or five years away from They're like this isn't a one year rowboat This is a four or five year process You think Tempe's like Is this a great idea to get involved with these folks? I think they're probably like this is We're going to make X amount of dollars off of 41 events a year

Yeah It's an anchor tenant for an arena You know They'd say thank you Thank you for the money If they leave eventually so be it We'll just book more stuff All right, let's go. Let's talk to Trevor Zegris. We'll be right back.

Guess what, folks? Craig is not coming back. We had a quick line change here. Some work stuff came up for Craig. Tagged in Haley Salvin from the Monday show. She is going to do the Trevor Zegris interview with me. She may already have done the Trevor Zegris interview with me. It's really good. It's coming up in a second. But she is also the person we shall be talking to. about the, what are we calling this? The league-wide COVID spike? What's happening? Things are bad in Calgary.

You're in Calgary. What's going on? Yeah. And also, hello. Does this make me the second line center behind Craig? Yeah. Craig's a 1C, right? I'm not a center.

I know that. Craig is, I think. I'm a agitating. I'm the one B. That's fine. You're a solid, you're a solid two. The luxury depth piece, the third line center that everyone's like, ooh, yeah, great. They could be a second line center somewhere else, but she's third line right now.

I'm actually, I disagree there. I think you're like Mark Shifley, who's, you know, everybody on earth wants them as a two-see. You win cups with Mark Shifley as your two-see. That's you. Nice. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's a warm welcome.

But yeah, the COVID situation, I don't know what to describe this as other than just like a really kind of overwhelming day where it's. it's like just keep refreshing your page because more stuff is coming through. I think the flames were kind of the, and I was talking about this yesterday when the flames shut down and they shut down very quickly because they essentially went from zero positive cases on Saturday afternoon before their game against a Boston Bruins to three positive tests, like midnight-ish, so like late Saturday, early Sunday. So it went from zero to three to seven in 24 hours, and now they're up to 10. So it's been this really rapid, I guess, outbreak with the

Calgary Flames and they're testing daily. And the team is going to be back right now on Thursday to play on Saturday. But we don't know, I think it's probably, too early to say if that's going to actually be the plan of something else is going to change. It's kind of just being monitored right now. But I think I was talking about this yesterday when it happened and I didn't want to, you know, sound an alarm. But I think yesterday was kind of the ominous sign of what's to maybe come. And lo and behold, after yesterday's, you know, announcement of the outbreak with the flames, you get a couple more players in Calgary test positive. You've got players in Carolina testing positive, players in Boston, Brad Marcia, you've got

Seth Jarvis, you've got Vancouver, a couple players in Edmonton too. Post-pone game in Minnesota between the wild and the canes. Yeah, because of the Keynes situation that's unfolding quite rapidly too. So it kind of just went from zero to 60 almost with what's going on right now. And I mean, The flames can't confirm if it's the new variant that takes more testing. But, you know, we know that this variant is kind of rapidly spreading through North America. And like I said, it kind of seems like maybe a sign of what's to come. We had the most daily tests in the NFL.

There was NBA pauses. It's all kind of happening quite quickly again here. Yeah. I mean, this is all going as we're talking and as we recorded the interview with Trevor there, too. Like more cases, more cases across sports. the Olympic discussion is at a nine out of ten now. Yeah. And it's not going to stop.

We're going to be talking about this for the next two months probably when it comes whether they should go, will they go, who goes? What did McDavid say today? It's unsettling the COVID protocol and what's happening right now. It's like unsettling, I think you said. I'd be unsettled by the prospect of spending five weeks in quarantine in China after the Olympics. it's bad, it's bad news. I guess the only thing,

because we're going to be talking, point is we're going to be talking about this constantly for weeks. So we don't need to tackle all of it now. But what I will say, you know, before we get to Trevor, is that if there's a bright side of this, it's that the flames didn't get stuck in Chicago for,

for Christmas. And that's true of a lot of teams. And that's true of, you know, I think that maybe that's, hopefully that's something that's being considered now in terms of when to post- on these games and which games, which games to stop because you cannot have these guys

crossing the border from Canada and then we are well within the two-week halo right now where if they test positive, if those three flames would have tested positive in Chicago yesterday, Luchich and Hannafin and whoever else, they would have been stuck there for Christmas. So it's nice that that's not happening at least. Yeah, well, even all of them would have been stuck there because the team was set to fly out on set. Sunday. So there was three players who were, so Brad Tree Living spoke today into his credit. He like broke down like timeline specifically of how this all happened. So they got tested on Saturday morning before the Bruins game. They didn't, or I guess it was Saturday afternoon because they knew

they were flying on Sunday. So everyone got their PCR test Saturday afternoon. They got the test results that night. Three players had tested positive that night. And then on Sunday they convened at the airport. They were going to fly. They all did the rapid antigen tests as well as a PCR test. And then I think just because they had the three players back at home, they, you know how quickly this thing spreads. And the decision was made like, let's not go wheels up. Like this could be bad. Because if we have more positive tests, like you said, the guys who test positive, once we lift off, and get into the U.S., they are stuck here in a hotel in Chicago, in Nashville, because they had the Chicago-Nashville back-to-back.

They would have had all these guys in the U.S. quarantining for 14 days. So, yeah, they would have missed Christmas. They would have missed all this time with their families. And so the decision was made, we're not going to go wheels up. They're going to postpone. Well, they were going to reschedule their flight once they got more tests. They weren't going to postpone at that point.

But then they got the four more positive tests. which brought them up to seven within a 24-hour period. And it was like, nope. So they would have had seven guys and then these other three if they would have been in Chicago or Nashville. Like you would have had 10 people in your organization quarantining in the States for two weeks. And I think that's probably part of the consideration is the border,

Christmas. Like that could be a PA thing, right? Like players aren't going to want to be in there. I'm looking at, you know, look Milan Luch, each in the face and say like, all right, dude, sorry, you're going to be a person. be in, you know, whatever, a Chicago hotel for Christmas. These are human beings. He's got three kids. He's got a wife. And the health and wellness of their family is as important here, too, because all these guys, not all of them, but a lot of these guys have girlfriends, wives, they have young kids.

And that's, I know, Brad Tree Living was like, that's the most important thing right now is, you know, because someone had asked, like, how do you manage the cap? Are you going to have to move guys to LTIR? How are you going to call guys up? And he was like, you know, what, we've got people who can do that, but like right now, the focus is on the health and safety of our players and their families, their kids, the people around them. So, yeah, we'll see what happens. They're obviously monitoring the situation. And I know this isn't the first COVID outbreak that we've had this season. But I think this is probably the quickest one with like the quantity and how fast it happened, which is why in my, my assumption, that is why the least,

doctors acted as quickly as they did because everyone's like well the Sends didn't get paused and they didn't get pause they had to play with with nobody it's like yeah it it was like one guy here two guys this day one guy this day it wasn't 10 within 48 hours yeah and it's different things are different now yeah I mean we don't need to go too much farther into this but you got the omicron thing and you got the you got the different border different border regulations I mean the considerations now are not what they were six weeks ago so yeah this isn't going away. That's the underlying. It's not going away. We're going to keep talking about this for weeks. But if there's a bright spot, it's that, you know, hey, some of the flames didn't get, didn't get stuck in

Calgary. All right, we're going to throw to our interview with Trevor Zegers again. He was, he was, he was fantastic. The dude's been doing media all day. I think he just got done talking to TNT. He's been on ESPN more than, you know, John Boogergrass has over the last week or so. But, man, it was, it was more good stuff from him. He was, he was a lot of fun. Oh, we got a, we got a big get this week. You got Trevor Zegris on the show, joining us from Anaheim. Uh, dude, I think you've been doing media all day. Do I have that on, do I have that right? I heard you're doing TNT. I know you were doing the, you're doing the post-practice scrum thing. I mean, that's just what life is like for you at this point, right? We're a, we're a week post goal. Like, is that just all things work now? Uh, I don't know.

I think it's all good. I mean, yeah. It's one of those things where, got a lot of people talking about it. So I'm happy to, happy to throw my two cents in. Are you ready for that? It seems like you are. Like, you're, you're embracing this.

And I saw you with Bucci and I saw you all over the place on this thing. It seems like, it seems like you're kind of two-handing it. Like, is that part of the fun? Yeah, I guess. I mean, it's just, like, it doesn't really bother me.

Like, I don't mind doing the stuff. I don't mind interacting with, I guess, the other side of the hockey world. So I think it's all good. It's all fun. If we can just start, I mean, we'll just get this one right out of the way. I mean, you're talking about it all the time. Everyone wants to talk about it.

The highlights everywhere. Is your setup and Sunny Milano's goal good for hockey? I think so. I mean, I definitely got a lot of great texts from a lot of my buddies and family members. Definitely saw a bunch of videos of little kids trying it or, or I guess, college guys or even some pro guys. So I think it's just one of those things that's fun. And if they get to people trying hockey or talking about hockey, I think it's got to be positive for the game.

Do you have a top pick for the people who are recreating it? I heard Jake Evans try to do it at practice a couple days ago. I don't know if all that worked. I love when the little kids do it. They get the puck behind the net and they flip it over where they whack it in. And then they all go celebrate in the corner. My mom sent me a couple of those videos and she loves them. So I definitely say those other my favorite.

Was your mom watching Good Morning America? I heard you popped up there, man. That's like breaking through. That's like breaking through to the next level. I didn't even know I was on what is a Good Morning America until somebody told me today. And they had just assumed that I know. So I had no idea until like 10 minutes ago, which is pretty funny. I'm not totally sure if that's true.

Like I saw people tweeting about it and I try to track down footage of it. But we can just, we can just assume it. So congrats to your aunt. That's confirmation. There you go. It was on. All right. There you go, man.

So everybody's mom saw it. Everybody's aunt side. You're at that level of fame now. So congratulations. Thank you. Do you think that helps you, Trevor? I mean, the ducks have been a pleasant surprise this season to people, at least on the outside. Do you think you scoring a goal like that and getting that national attention on the team specifically is just good to

get the kind of style that the ducks are playing right now out there and just like growing hockey in Southern California? Yeah. I mean, I know a lot of people are, I guess, drawn to that goal in particular. But in terms of the team aspect, I mean, we have guys doing some unbelievable stuff every night. I mean, like I said, a hundred times, I think Troy Terry is one of my favorite players in the entire league to watch. And we got so many guys that do so many great things every night, that hopefully maybe this goal in particular will, I guess, inspire people to throw on the docks and then see how many great players we have. But I think that's just kind of the iceberg for the kind of skill that we have on this team. And I mean, if I can go back just to your goal too, Trevor, do you still have a group chat going with your NTDP teammates?

Like, what did that look like? You come off the ice, you know, Caulfield Hughes, your buddies from NTDP. Did they see it and just go crazy in the group chat? they just thought it was funny they they all texted me like laughing like laughing of ojs like a lot of ha haas um i don't know because they just know that that's always kind of something i've been doing um whether i was at the program or college or whatever um i feel like i was just always trying to do that that that extra move or that that extra play and um they all definitely thought it was uh you got a good laugh from it could any of them pull it off oh yeah i've got a bunch of them

good. I just don't know if they, it's got to be the perfect storm. Like, I got pretty lucky. I got enough time behind the, uh, behind the net and had probably the most perfect guy in the whole league stand in front. So it's kind of the perfect storm. So when you flipped it and like redirected a little bit and just kind of like jutted out to the corner, is that, is that part of the, is that part of the strategy? Could you, because could you kind of caught his attention and got cut the D's attention and pulled him out and cleared up sunny a little bit more? Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's funny. Like when it happened, I flipped it over and that guy, I think it was Miller, was kind of coming at me. And once I flipped it over, he crossed checked me. So I didn't really

see Sunny score. So that's why I guess the reaction was kind of put my hands on my head because I wasn't really sure how it went in until until it kind of, I guess maybe he told me where I saw the replay. But I don't know. I just think it was a pretty cool. All right. So post post goal group text, did anybody notice what John Tortorella said? Oh, yeah. Did that come up? I think Sonny sent it to me whenever it came out. Sonny played for him for five years.

But it's one of those things, man. It's like Sonny had nothing great things to say about torts. I mean, I've never interacted with him, but I was a big Ranger fan growing up. And obviously him being the coach of the Rangers, like I never had a problem with them. Like, I actually really liked him. I don't know.

It's just one of those things. that's torts, man. Like, he's always got his own opinion, whether everyone else likes it or not, which I actually respect about him. I don't know. I mean, as long as the people are, I guess, if he keeps stirring the pot, I don't know if that's what it was or he actually believed that. But I guess it's good for the game that we have two sides to it. I can't just be all positive, maybe, but I don't know. I definitely loved it, though.

I mean, a couple things about that, too. like it was the funniest part about it was that he gassed you up a little bit right he's like he's like oh i know he was like i think it's cool i think it's cool whatever and then he goes on the on to slag you it was it was a weird it was a weird way to go about it yeah but i mean we had we had days of debate about it afterwards right where you had a bunch of people that were coming here to fence i mean everybody on twitter was like was dogging torts hard for it like rightfully so and and understandably so. So it was this weird thing where, you know, yeah, he said what he said and it's towards and blah, blah, blah, but it kind of like added that next level of, next level

of attention. And honestly got a bunch of people who were like, you know, who were like rallying around you and in what you did. So I don't know if you caught any of that or if you had any thought on what it was like to see everybody be like, holy shit, this was, this was awesome. We can't, we we got to have more of this and less and less kind of smack talking over it. Yeah, no, I mean, I definitely kind of saw a little bit here and there, but I mean, obviously I listened to the whole torts thing. I heard some people on different, whether it was podcasts or interviews talking about it. So, I mean, I just definitely think there was more positive that came out of it.

And I think that might have been the only negative thing about the goal, I guess. But either way, I think obviously a lot of people ended up seeing it. And like I said, I think a lot of people made little videos recreating it, which is, I guess, all you need. Because I remember looking up to guys that played in the NHL and doing great, great stuff with the pocketer doing cool things. And to, I guess, be on the other side of it. And I guess inspire, I guess, the next generation of hockey players to maybe think outside the box or be a little bit more creative. I think it's pretty special. Yeah, I mean, we talked to Jack Hughes about this, too.

He mentioned, he mentioned Kane. You've mentioned Kane in the past. it's wild because I'm 35 right so I see people talking about growing up watching Patrick Kane and it just makes me feel like you know I'm gonna head off to a to a senior citizen home or something it makes me feel ancient but what about his game you know have you tried to take and why do you think that he's connected so much with guys like you and jack and that like generation of you know American players that's kind of coming up behind him.

I mean, I think it just goes back to, I think he's just fun to watch. I think he makes plays that other people just can't make or don't see. I mean, I remember watching him the first time. I think he did the spinner, AMA move and found somebody on the back door. I mean, ever since then, I mean, whether it was just tick-haling videos through the, through the box or, I mean, he's done so much, so much great stuff for, I guess, inspiring the next generation. I don't know, I was just always drawn to that style of play.

I love that he was doing things that nobody had done. before. I guess, like I said, the spinoramas or all this great stuff. And he always had a little bit of flare to him, whether it was the celebrations or him screaming showtime at the camera after he scored in overtime. Like, I just, I thought it was just really cool. So, Trevor, I think you have your first game against or in Chicago coming up in mid-January, and then you've got a game at MSG later in the season back home for you. What do, what do those two games coming up in the calendar mean to you? I think they're both on the same road trip.

which is at the end of the year, which I mean, it's definitely going to be pretty exciting. I think playing caner will be cool just because, I mean, without him even knowing he's done so much, I guess for me in terms of, I guess, my passion for hockey. But I think playing at MSG also be really cool. I might have a whole section of people there that I know

and that I kind of grew up with. And it's funny, my whole family is still big danger fans. They don't even, they don't even cheer for the dogs. They just cheer up in the Rangers, which I think is pretty good. I don't know if we'll have any duck sweaters from many other Zegraises. They might be wearing Ranger jerseys, which I think will be pretty funny. Are they just going to shamelessly be there in Rangers gear? Could they put your name on a Rangers sweater?

That might be weird, though. No way. No way. Say Lafranier or say Panarian or something. Oh, no. Yeah. What's the go-to jersey with a family? Are they going with like, you said Panarin?

I thought maybe you'd see some like San Luis jerseys or like last. Like last generation, right? Yeah, oh yeah. Gab, wreck, Nash, all those guys. That's funny. Are you guys going to catch the devil's on the trip, too? And I know you play them in November. I think so.

I think we'll play in New Jersey. I think Jack said on this show, actually, they have the entire Hughes family on this podcast. I haven't been a part of it, but I'm not invited to those interviews. But I think Jack said that he was really excited to play against you. That was the one he had circled, like, Quinn, whatever. I'll see him all the time, but Trevor.

Jack didn't give a shit about playing about playing Quinn at all. He was like, he was like, he was like, I know, I missed them. They came to Anaheim in the beginning of the season. Obviously, he was out with a shoulder injury, which was, which was pretty, pretty devastating because that would have been a, that would have been a cool game for both of us for sure. You got to just make it up again in March, right?

Yeah, exactly. You guys can go, you know. head-to-head. Is it going to be like a stick toss off or something? We'll just trade sticks during the play. You stole that. I stole whatever. So he tossed the stick in O.T. You did it later. Like, we can confirm that you did that after Jack? Was it the one up on him? I told him. I was like, that's the coolest celebration I ever seen. It was unreal.

I thought it was funny that he threw it in the stands. I was like, why not? Did you kind of say, like, next time I score an O.T., like, I've got to do this? I might have said that, but it was just one of those things here at the moment. I was kind of by the glass, and I was just like, I think it'd be pretty funny. So why not? Wait, so is he going to try the Michigan pass now? Is that what that? That would be cool.

That would be funny if he did that versus us. That'd be cool. But who knows? So we got the, we got World Juniors coming up. I know you're still in touch with a lot of those dudes. I wanted to get your get the scouting report man I like we we know that we know the big names we know some of the big guns but is there is there anybody on that team and in that program who you're expecting to see that we can like look out for because there's there's nobody better

to talk to you about the talk to you as well juniors yeah yeah yeah I mean obviously I think we got the BU goalie commasso is going to be awesome um I mean obviously we didn't see Thomas Bordolo last year because of COVID. He was supposed to be on the team, but something happened with the COVID protocol. So, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he kind of had a big tournament. But, I mean, I think Jake Sanderson's back. Like, we're going to have some Luke Hughes,

it's going to be some guys that I think you're going to have some great tournaments. And then I think hopefully Maddie Baneers can lead that team. I think he's, what if he were in the A at Michigan as a sophomore, So I don't think there's anybody better to kind of lead the way in terms of in terms of leadership. So, I mean, I'm excited to watch and play. Can't wait to get to watch. Do we have to place bets here because I'm the lone Canadian currently. I know it's weird because I got all my U.S. guys and I got McAvish playing for Canada.

Oh, geez, right? I feel a little uncomfortable. A couple months while we were here, I know. And we'll see. It's like I want USA to win, but maybe McAvish have a hat trick. So four, three, U.S. Yeah, right. Are you still living with Drysdale in the hotel?

I read about that. Did you guys, did you guys, do you guys moved out? Yeah, we moved out of there. How's, um, how's stuff going? How's stuff going in California? Is it been an adjustment? Like you're living alone and all right? It's raining today.

First time in like three months. It's raining outside. So it's been pretty gloom since we got back from the road trip. But now, there's no complaints, man. This place is legit heaven. It's like 80 degrees every day in December. Have you been to Disney yet? No, I haven't.

Everyone went yesterday, though, I just couldn't do it. Oh, man. I was in California last week. I'm with the flame, so I was there last week or two weeks ago. And it was like cloudy and cold, but I went to Disney by myself. It was fine. Disney. It's only like 20 minutes, too, from here.

I don't know why I haven't gone yet. You should. Maybe one of these days. Get an ice cream. That's the thing that people do, the Mickey Mouse-Mow-shaped ice cream, yeah. Exactly. Have you found any, any burrito spots that you like more than Chipotle? I saw all this shit about you.

I saw all this stuff about you and Chipotle and having like your own. He's not going to pick something other than Chipotle. I can't go against Chipotle. What are you doing? All right, wait a second. I got the order here. They named something special after you at BU. Yeah.

Do you have your own Chipotle bowl? Yeah, I did. I did last year, yeah. Can you name the Trevor Zeger's Chipotle bowl from the BU named after you? Can I name it? Yeah, what is it? Oh, yeah. I have it right in from here.

Chicken, cheese, rice, corn. I think I put guac on there, but I don't go guack anymore. Double chicken. Cheese, right. Double chicken, cheese, rice, corn, guac, chips, lemonade. Lemonade, baby. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a baller move. Is it a, is it a bowl or an actual or an actual burrito?

It's a bowl. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Gwok is a strong roof. I don't do the Gwock anymore. Get the Gwok on the side now. Too much. Too much, man.

You don't want to go that like $1.50? I can't do it. You're making that NHL. You're making that NHL money now, baby. You can get chips. You can get quack and get whatever you want. Get on the side. ELC, you got to wait for the extension.

Yeah. Last question before you let you go. And I know you're stacked up here and got some more stuff. Are you friends with Michael B. Jordan yet? that's so funny he hit me on the side after after the goal on Instagram yeah

I was he there no I don't I doubt he was in Buffalo watching the ducks Buffalo dude no like he like did he like DM'd you is what you mean yeah he DM'd afterwards or I DM'd him and then we ended up exchanging texts which I thought was pretty awesome

just because I'm obviously I love watching movies and he's kind of he's kind of the man when it comes to that stuff so that was definitely pretty cool was that the one that was like holy shit was he the moment yeah well i mean i think i think our team picked up that he put it on his story or whatever um so i just accepted whatever exchanged whatever something small on the side but still pretty cool that i guess he saw it and that he thought it was i guess a cool goal i guess

we've got to try to see him in a zegger's jersey we'll send him one i don't know if he's gonna wear it but that's unreal you got to send him the old duck's jersey though that's like your next that's your, that's your orange one. The orange one is the best one we got going, right? Yeah. That's your next, that's, that's your next task is, is it trying to get him to switch over to the, to the duckhead full time. Let's make that happen. Oh yeah. Amazing. Oh, yeah. We're trying. That'd be sweet. All right, Trevor. Thank you so much. This was great. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Yep. Same to you, man. Good luck with the rest of season. Thank you. That was good stuff from Trevor.

He's fun. I hope he keeps doing it. I hope he keeps doing it. Whether it's on the ice or off, right? He's a blast. Yeah, I mean, he's got so much confidence and, like, he's got the swagger to him. I mean, as a Canadian, seeing him in the world juniors last year when they won, I was just like, man, this kid, this guy don't like him. Obviously, we like him a lot.

He's great. I think he's great for the game. I think the confidence that he has to do the goal that he had. But, like, if I watched a lot of the ducks because they're fun this year, and, like, he's tried, I think he tried the Michigan in his first NHL game. He's tried it a few times. He's tried the between the legs goals. Like, he's just got so much confidence in the skill to back it up.

And I just think players like that with the personality and the media friendliness as well. Like, he didn't care that he'd been talking to media people all day. Like that is so good for the game and just the game in general, the game in SoCal. I think Trevor Zegris is going to be one of the big ones to help market this game nationally and for the ducks in hockey in Southern California. Shout out to Eric Stevens too. He gets to cover him every day and he's doing a really good job of being like the chronicler of Trevor Zegris's star turn, right? Like he's written a lot about him, not just the goal, everything, but everything came before that, right?

All the stuff he's tried, you know, his various kind of, kind of experience. experiences. So yeah, follow Eric Stevens, follow Ducks coverage. I think you have as good of a reason now as you ever have. So yeah, thanks again to Trevor Zegris. And me and Craig will be back to finish up. We've got listener questions. Craig cracked him back open. Best part of the show, of course. Well, buddy, it's time for the only good segment of the week. Straight, trademark that. The only good segment. It's capital T, capital O, capital G, capital S. It's when we go into the app and we read listener comments,

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All right, I pulled some up, Sean. I'm going to, you guys had Dylan Larkin, one of my, what's my third son? My oldest. We sure did. How was he? He was good. He's a, he's a, he's a chiller, it seems like. Yeah.

Pretty calm, dude. But the stuff, the stuff he said read, it read well. Like, we published it as interview. And it was one of those times, you know, sometimes you have a great, you have a great interview or what seems like a great interview because of the guy's tone of voice or just the way. And then you look at it and like, this is kind of like empty calories. Yeah. Dylan was kind of the opposite where you're like, well, I don't know if that was necessarily good or not. Did we do a good job?

Like, is this going to scan the right way? And I don't know how it was for listeners, but like, as a printed interview, I thought it turned out pretty well. Max carry that one because he needs known Dillon for a long time now. Yeah, yeah. I knew the right buttons to push. Tyn and E says, great episodes. Excited to hear the updated Olympic rosters soon. Mm-hmm.

Are you doing that, John? We're still doing that. It's me, me, Pranman, and. Little brat Dom, Domestician, yeah. Do we want to talk about Dom? Like, just trashing you on other episodes? He didn't trash me. He basically got it right.

So here's the way it goes. When we do the power rankings, we start them on Thursday. Dom wakes up to do his betting stuff and is in his updating for the, for the bet lines for the day, which is honestly very useful. And I have made money off it. But he does that. It's legal. You don't have to like. I know.

I'm still not really. I don't think part of me doesn't think any of us should be gambling on games that we cover but that's another issue entirely. No, we probably shouldn't. So my stance on that is that like I don't gamble on games

that I'm actually writing off of or could you do anything to move the line you, Sean Gentilly? No, but I think I think Dom can. This is not a joke. I think I think the stuff he plays. puts out at the beginning of the day can move lines absolutely so anyways he wakes up and does that and and then because it's the lines open at seven eastern or whatever time it is so he wakes up and gets his

action going and updates his thing and then fills out his fills out his rankings and then goes back to sleep so every so pretty much every time every time every time i go in there whether it's in the afternoon or in the evening to fill this out like there's already a set of rankings there for me so like yes does beat me to it. So they are, they are, and that probably makes them like, maybe a little bit more similar than they would otherwise be,

because it's like, what am I supposed to do? Like, I, I've, I've, I've, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is, this sounds fine. The ducks are 14. Yeah, why not? Yeah. But that doesn't, that really, we think about stuff in a pretty similar way. It does, it doesn't really change.

I, I, I don't think we're ever going to have, like, a situation where I think a team is 10 spots worse than, than him. The point of the power ranks is not where the teams stand. it's not it's about the shit we say to each other yeah it's about it we know that it's about i know but like it's it's just funny every week it's like oh if you want if you want the standing if you want the standings go look at the standings i don't really care that the that the jets are 12 versus 14th it doesn't matter to me could you go a whole year and just do it as point

percentage and see if anyone notices never reference it but just i honestly thought i I also thought about doing that. Just like listed his standings for the whole time and see if anybody knows is anything. Tynan writes, you should have Pavalski or Robertson as the guest sometime on our show. Two Americans playing together off to a great start to the season. Should be Olympians if they play. We're trying to figure out what to. We're trying to get both.

Like those are two, those would be two great guests. You know, I've been dealing with Joe Pavalski for decades. and one of my favorites because Joe I feel like we've talked about him on this maybe we haven't he's one of those people he will call you out on a bad question like the best kind of interviews right salty at times honest

you know like they back in the going back to the Sharks heyday like they had a couple of guys like Logan Cochere was the same way like you weren't going to get a break he wasn't going to bail you out I like Joe we should have them on you put them on your Olympic team he's a lock the center situation is not good we're trying to figure out what to do with what to do with Robertson right now um without like giving all that much away that's one that's one of the big

it's one of the big outstanding questions we had because we've been working you've had some calls and stuff about this um but i will say the chemistry he has with pavelsky is undeniable and if he makes it it's going to have it's going to have a lot to do with it he's been great funny thing about Robertson is that like speaking to Dom Dom's model

is like so so high on Jason Robertson because he's never been bad like he like he was productive and good

from like the moment he started playing and there really hasn't been a wall so like is that that's obviously

good for him and it's good for the stars but it also kind of like throws off it throws off his numbers

a little bit because he's been he's played whatever 75 games or however many games at point and like none of them have been bad like most guys have had some yeah has whatever started

slow and then that or whatever had like 20 games to start of their career where they were just kind of whatever and that and that affects their rolling their rolling numbers that never happened with jason so he's super productive and the numbers love him and yeah him playing with implanted with implanted jonathan m writes love the show definitely definitely my favorite all-american podcast from the athletic of the week that's really specific i don't know if that There's hundreds of them at this point. Words to ban. We're back to banning words.

I've somewhere at my master list. This is not necessarily for you, but can hockey media stop using schedule loss every third sentence? That is one that definitely has popped up more, I think, over the last couple years. Yeah. I agree. I like the concept of it. I think it's a useful thing to potentially bring up from time to time, but like I think it's over. it's definitely overused.

All right. You can't just say that like not every schedule loss is like stuff that looks like a schedule loss isn't necessarily a schedule loss. Like you can't just write off the fact. You can't just write off, yeah, you can't just write off a team losing its third game and six days or whatever five days because it's a schedule loss. Like that's lazy even though it's true sometimes. This is on our last, our last episode together that we,

We did that we talked about the penguin sale and the Sean Thornton interview. Sean was great. That was fun. Somebody did about you, which you transcribed. If you haven't read it, go read the transcription. But someone was like,

that was the best promo for a book ever. Like every, now anyone who writes a hockey book is going to want to. Because it really was. We did pump up the book. But it was really a good book. It was, there was some great anecdotes.

Like, all you got to do is have like kind of a one of a, one of a kind career and be really charismatic and funny. And then write a tell a book about it and also be good on the radio. And you two can have a prime. have a promo. You too can have a promo as good as Sean Thornton. I'm sure there's lots of hockey players that could follow that round. I think we brought up at some point on that episode having some sort of NFT around us. Shane C says, I would buy an NFT artwork of Panarin throwing his glove at Marchan, except replace Panarin with Sean and Marchon with Craig. I'd buy that NFT. Do you think we could make millions off of that? Because we are trying to raise money to buy the sabers. That's right. It's all coming back to me. Should we flip that, though? Wouldn't I be the, wouldn't I, would I be Marshawn in this? Oh, I'm Panarin.

Yes. Would that, our, our buddy in the comments said that I, that you were Marshawn, right? Yeah. Shane says, I would flip that. You're the annoying, like, like, agitator that I'm the skill, high skill, like. Yeah, you know what, though? Your nose is bigger than mine. What's, okay.

Well, that maybe, maybe she was right. Maybe that's why he said it in the first place. Maybe that's probably. That's, I'm sure he was basic. I think, I don't think either of us is, is, uh, I think both of us are. Both us are Moshan. I was like, we, we, we, we both have schnauzes. I don't think, I don't think we're short in that department.

We'll see, writes. Let's all throw in 20 bucks to buy beer and the coyotes. Do you think that would do it? How many, if we have enough listeners thrown $20? After beer, though. You got to buy the beer first in this scenario. We just had the Forbes valuations drop. They're like probably 400, 400 Schmell.

So that's like. Coyotes? Yeah. So. Let me ask you this before. If you had 400 million, would you buy the coyotes? Is there meat on that bone to like, there's so much like collateral damage?

I don't want, like, you can't keep them in Arizona. Like, I, what do you, like? Yeah. Yeah, if you can move them to Houston or whatever, that's, that's a no-brainer. I'm saying to keep them, you, you got to like, just extend this. If I know that, if I know that there's an arena and Tempe coming, probably. Okay. If not, just by the sabres.

Just by the, well, it's, it's going to cost you more than that. Great, that Craig is back. Thank you, Will. third book I bought from this podcast. Oh, so, so Will must have bought the Sean Thornton book. Third one. What other books?

What else did we? Huh. Oh, maybe whenever we were talking to Jack, Jack Hughes about, oh yeah, we had a, we had book talk with Jack Hughes. Book Talk, book talk with Jack. I think I mentioned playing through the whistle, which is a good book.

Any other updates on your book talk with Jack Hughes? Yeah, we text about, you know, I'm rereading the Forever War, so I text him about it. He's really into it. Quinn Hughes and I have exchanged texts about the vibes he gave about how cooking. That's right, that's right, about cooking and asparagus. And how to do an interview when you don't want to. Edith R writes, I followed the trail of crumbs and found the comment section.

Ethan, you made it. Welcome, Edith. Hello. Oh. Pass the gumdrop forest. Gloopies Gulch on the left. Yay, me. Edithrites.

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your podcast. You guys have great chemistry. We have great chemistry, Sean. We do. That's undeniable. Yeah, we've met each other for 15 years. We should. We should.

You keep me entertained while being informed. I don't know about how informed. Thanks for your hard. Thank you your hard work. Oh, for two. Oh, wow. Over three. We are dull, dumb, and lazy.

We're glad you made it to the comments section. And we're glad you like the show. We do, like, our chemistry is okay. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. That's it without having to go back into further. Yeah, I think me and Maxi talked about him at some point, too. About the other questions?

There were some other ones we got to you. All right. To wrap up, I'm going to, we've got some, let me pull up. Can you talk why I pull up the show notes so I can plug some of our other podcast? And I'm also excited if we're able to pull it off and figure it out. My son wanted to do the outro music. Not typical outro music, like just play you out with some. He's got maybe a rap.

You heard it, Sean. How would you describe it? Really, future star in my mind. I was impressed. Were you? I was, uh... He's 10 years old, everybody's. Oh my God.

See, I remember, I remember meeting, I remember meeting Cassie, your wife for the first time when she was pregnant with Cormick, and it was during the, it was ahead of the 2011 winter classic. Yeah. Have we told that story how we had to walk home from... I wasn't around for that. Do you know the story? I've heard, I've heard it.

It's, it's convoluted, though. You guys got, you guys got lost, and there are no cats. Avenue to walk home, right? That's right. This was pre-Uber, and Cassie had to walk pregnant. Pre-Uber in Pittsburgh, one of the worst cab cities on the face of the earth, maybe at that point. And somebody pulled over to offer us a ride, and I was willing to take it. And Cassie was not.

She's like, I'm carrying your third child, and we're not going to get in a random person's car. And Cassie, as a woman for her entire life is much more aware of, dangers of that nature, then you'd just be like, oh, yeah, sure. But hear me out, we wouldn't have had to walk. That is true. Like, where are you, do you remember where you were coming from? What's, what is it called the South Side or what's, we were there? Like there was a long walk up a bridge or a ladder of steps of some sort.

Does this check out at all? Yep. And again, she's like, pregnant, pregnant. I wasn't, I wasn't feeling a thing. It was great. And we crossed a campus. Maybe. You're in Duquesne's campus?

It was Duques. Yes. Yeah, we crossed up. We were on a football field at some point and finally we were, of course, staying at that Marriott, everyone's days. And it was one of the longest walks in my life. And whoever we were with, we, like, have a lifelong bond. We were like, we did it. It was like climbing Everest.

Only I was pregnant. You guys went across the hot metal bridge and cut through the campus at Duquesne. Cut through the campus. Make sure you're listening to the roundtable of Rapizo from CBC Sports. Sarah Sivian and Jesse Granger. They've got Tarakon. That's the Wednesday show. And Bill Garon already been named the GM of TBS.

As we speak here, is Mike Russo's guest on Straight From the Source. Also, we did the bonus episode. Make sure you're subscribing to the Athletic Audio Plus on Apple Podcast to get all the bonus content from our entire network. This week, it's Ian and down goes brown in the athletic hockey show doing extended bonus content. You get that, you get a 30-day trial

on that for free, 99 cents after that. And lastly, as before Kormick plays us out, $3.99 a month if you go to theathletic.com slash hockey show to subscribe to the athletic, to leave comments and interact with Sean and I. What else do you ask for?

nothing nothing at all um Bobby Ryan I think he's next week's guest by the way I don't know if that's true it is true

why wouldn't have been true well we got a lot of great we got in fairness producer Jeff has lined up a bunch of great guest for us tonight and I was sort of I was sort of I mean it was enough

to make me lose track of the order here frankly I believe Bobby Ryan is like guess either way Bobby Ryan is slated to join us. Yes. He is in the Athletic Hockey Show Hall of Fame. Yep, we're getting thumbs up from producer Jeff. It is Bobby Ryan.

Bobby, who has got a new dog and kids running around. It's like that will be the highlight. I've already petitioned to have him permanently be our guest in the second segment. I don't know why he would agree to that. He could just be it. I mean, I don't know. He doesn't have that much going on. He really doesn't.

He could be here every week and you and I can just alternate. Never have to talk to each other again. That'd be great. Have a great week. Another run with that. Shout out to Kormick. This is great. I'm just going to name like a bunch of like this is like little white rappers.

This is like Kormick is the next version of Jack Harlow or someone like that. Is that good? Is Jack Harlow good? He's clearly influenced by Jack Harlow, which you say? I feel, I, uh, depends. Depending on how much you guys regulate what the kid listens to, I feel like, I feel like that's probably part of it. So we gave up with him. This is, so Calvin, our oldest, could only listen to Kids Pop until he was 18.

Mm-hmm. Which, Kids Pop is actually really funny. I like Kids Pop. You never know what words are going to, I'm a fan. I like, I like Kids Bob. Yeah. It's so weird. It's super.

I want to do a little segment on Kids Pop. Cormick, on the other hand, we like, because the older kids were listening to music, we just were like, I don't know, whatever. It's art. And so Cormick gets to listen to whatever he wants, much to this chagrin of the older kids. They're like, we had,

Calvin's like, I had to listen to Kids Bob literally to, like, last week. And this is bullshit. And Cormick can download anything else. Cormick's listening to, like, industry baby by, you know, Jack Harlow and, uh, little Nazex or something. I think that, I think that's what, like, middle schoolers listened to at this point or however old

he technically is. He's 10 years old. He's not in middle school. I don't know. Is that, I believe. When does middle school start? I mean, we can't say for sure. I don't know.

Fifth grade? Six. I mean, it's all different. Yeah, it's just some middle schools that start fifth. Either way, man. I love the, I love the hustle from Quimic. I'm just like I said, I'm going to keep throwing white rappers out there. There's Mac Miller vibes.

Shout out, shout out to Malcolm. Do we want to talk about your MacMiller connection? Nah, no, we can let that one go, but he's a... And your good friend, Ariana Grande? Like, uh, we didn't, we didn't get along too well after, after, after the split. Gotta pick aside. Yeah, Kormick. Hi, everyone.