The Athletic Hockey Show - Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff joins the show, what is wrong with the Edmonton Oilers?, VGK and Boston Bruins off to great starts, listener questions, and more

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

On a jam-packed Monday edition of The Athletic Hockey Show, Ian and Julian are joined by Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff to discuss recent longterm deals for Mark Schiefele and Connor Hellebuyck, naming Adam Lowry as team captain, what conversations are like amongst GMs around the league with very little room to maneuver against the cap, and more.Then, The Athletic’s own Daniel Nugent-Bowman joins the show from Nashville ahead of Mattias Ekholm’s return as a member of the Oilers to discuss what is going wrong in Edmonton to start the season, realistic expectations for Jack Campbell and Stuart Skinner in goal, how long the championship window can remain open, and more.Plus, the guys swap general manager stories, discuss whether it’s too early to panic for the winless Kraken and Panthers, great starts for the defending Cup champion Golden Knights and Bruins, and Julian takes a stand against weeknight trick-or-treating.Watch The Athletic Hockey Show LIVE on YouTube: http://youtube.com/@theathletichockeyshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. Welcome to it. It is your Monday edition of the Athletic Hockey Show. Ian Mendez's Julian McKenzie with you to kick off your week in hockey. And here we go, Julian. Week one in the books. Here's my question for you. It's a big picture question. Is it too early to panic if you're a fan of, let's say, the Crackin,

they're oh and two, the Panthers are O'N two, the Sabres are O'N two, and Edmonton is O'N2. If this is the NFL, it'd be panic time. But I don't know. Are we feeling?

Are we feeling in those markets? Yeah, this is the thing. If this was the NFL, you only have so many weeks to get it right. In the NHL, thank God for those teams, 82 games to get it right. It's really hard for me to get up in panic about any of those teams.

I will say though, and I know we'll probably go into more detail about it, seeing Edmonton having the brakes beaten off of them in game one, and then as a response against Vancouver, they still can't get it done. Big surprise. I mean, at the same time, are we going to start looking at Vancouver and say, oh, should we have put them in our playoff brackets all along?

Like, I don't know. It's really hard to take the first two games of any NHL season and name your couple. winner off of that. But I will say it's, it's not that you could be concerned if you want, but not that concerned. It's okay. Breathe. Breathe. And speak of the Oilers, um, you'll be fun a little bit later. We'll chat with Daniel Nugent Bowman. Covers the Oilers for us. Kevin Sheffeldaioff, general manager, the Jets going to drop by the pod here. Oh, yeah. In, in a little bit to kick things off. So it's fun. What like, now, I know you had some really positive

interactions with Brad Trill Living when he was general manager of the Calgary Flames. So since we have Kevin Shevalleldaev coming on here, what's your, like, do you have a favorite interaction that you've ever had with a general manager in the NHL? Whether running into them in a press box

or randomly. Like, have you, okay, here's a question. Have you ever been inside a general manager's office? Like to sit down and ask you? So, So I was in Julian Breezeboa's office when he was the GM of the Syracuse Crunch, which I guess is like the closest thing I could think of. And I remember. So for backstory, I did a year at Syracuse University doing a grad degree and I was an intern with the Syracuse Crunch in their broadcast department.

And being a Julian from Montreal, everyone in the office was very excited about the possibility of, me meeting Julian Brisebois. And I remember a couple staffers brought me to his office. And they were like, oh, Julian, this is, this is Julian. And I told him I was from Montreal and we

had a fun conversation about that. There was another encounter we had where it was around Halloween too. And Julian Breisball was wondering why I wasn't wearing a costume and he was making a couple jokes about that. It was really fun and surreal

that year seeing Julian Brisebois, you know, do his thing at the Syracuse Cretch office. And now that he's a big league general manager, we have not actually interacted since he's been promoted it since I've been able to cover the NHL. When that happens, it would be fun to catch up all that if he even remembers who I am. That's as close as I would say. All the other times, though, I've just been like really on the phone or in person, but I'll say this with Bradshaw Living. Like, I've had a lot of positive, the one year I got with Bradshaw Living, like the first

day I got to a press conference of anything. Like we were asking questions. He took the time to introduce me to everyone in the media gallery. That was, that was really fun. It was a, it was a good year with, with Brad Trilliman. Okay. I'm pretty sure Julian Breezeball would remember you. The Julian Julian Julian connection is, it's easy enough. But I mean, I hope so, but like, I don't expect that. You drop something in there that I want to, I want to follow up on. Yes. You said Julian Breezebaw criticized you for not dressing up for Halloween.

Yes. Now, I can't. This begs the question. Hold on. I have to. I have. Okay, okay, okay. Hold on. Was he dressed up?

No, he was not dressed up. He was not dressed up. Everyone else in the office at the time was dressed up for Halloween. I was planning on going to a party afterward and dress up. I just at that moment, I was not dressed up. But he wasn't either. But he's also the general manager. So he could do what he wants.

But there's no, like, you know, we're into Halloween party season now in the NHL. Next couple of weeks you're going to see Instagram is going to be flooded. There's no, like if you're the general manager, you can't come into the office dressed up. Like you lose all credibility and power. You can't. Can you?

No, I see it the other way. I see it the other way. If you're the general manager and you dress up, I don't see it as a loss of credibility. Everyone could just kind of relax and say, well, if he's dressing, Yep, that it must be good for for everybody to do that. And if he's, and if he's able to do that at the office,

imagine at the actual Halloween party. The first thing that comes to mind, and I know it's a different sport here, but do you remember a couple years ago, the New England Patriots had a Halloween party? And there was like a video of like Bill Belichick dressed up as like a pirate and everyone's at the roller rink. Oh my God.

No one's ever. The roller rink. Yeah. Like no one's, no one's ever going to look at Bill Belichick and say, oh, well, you dress up for Halloween. There goes all of your Super Bowls. and credibility.

Like, what's the Patriots? Hold on. What's the Patriots record since Belichick dressed up as a pirate? That's a great question. I mean, Randy Moss was on that team when that happened. So they've definitely won Super Bowls since that happened. All right. Maybe icebreaker question for Kevin Shevel Deaoff will be, when's the last time you dressed up for Halloween?

That's going to be the icebreaker, okay? Icebreaker question coming your way. we get Kevin Shevel Day off. Are you going to dress up on stream? Because I presume we're Halloween is on a Monday this year. Yeah, it's on Tuesday. I think it's on a Tuesday.

And yeah. Okay, but we'll still be on anyway. Yeah. We'll do it. We're going to do a couple's costume. Well, we'll talk it out.

You want to do a couple's costume? Oh, okay. Because I already, I already ordered elements of my costume. I know what I want to do for. It's absolutely going to be a pop culture reference I don't get. So I'm going to love that.

You're going to be like. No, you know what? I'll say this. You're going to be like, I'm going to be Daniel Caesar. And I'm like, no. No, I'll say this. If you don't understand who I'm trying to be, you should be ashamed of yourself.

That's why I will say about my costume. If you don't understand the person who I'm trying to be, you, knowing the teams that you support should be ashamed of yourself. That's what I will say. Knowing the teams I support. That's the only hint I'll give you. Okay. Feels like an NFL costume is coming in coming here. looking forward to that. Hey, best interaction, you know what, most random fun interaction I ever had

with the general manager in the NHL. Years ago, I was in San Jose, covering a Senator Sharks game, and I was there, my colleague who works for the French newspaper in Ottawa, Sylvain Saint Laurent. We're waiting to speak to Doug Wilson, and we're kind of in the hallway. And we wait for Doug Wilson, he shows up, and he's ready to talk to us. And he says, is it just the two of you guys? We say, yeah he says come on come with me brings us into his office sits down on like we sit on plush leather chairs and he's behind his desk and you're in this living large thick carpeted room and I'm like I don't know that I'll ever be in the general manager's office again I mean maybe maybe but it was like I don't think I've ever been invited before since the general manager's office

This is Doug Wilson. Okay, I have another general manager story that I think you'll appreciate because it involves a man you know very well. So there was a Senators, Canadians game a couple of years ago. And the game ends and the horde of media people are leaving the press gallery, walking up the steps. You remember what the bell center is like, about to go down into the elevator. and everyone is trying to cram into this elevator and somehow we find a way to get all this, this cluster of, of, not players, but of media people in the elevator.

And only one man is standing outside the elevator, no space for him. Ottawa Senator's GM, Pierre Dorian, just stuck outside this elevator and he just mumbles something incomprehensible to himself, but he's clearly upset and he can't get down the elevator. And everyone in the elevator starts laughing. at the fact that all these media people were able to get into the elevator,

but Pierre Dorian is the only guy who can't get in. I was thought that was funny. It was just everyone trying to cram in and Pierre's just like standing back to be like, come on. Like I can't, I can't, I'm a GM of an HLT, but I can't make my way in that space. I got to wait for a whole other elevator to come. I thought that was funny. Would you step out of a packed elevator to allow a general manager in,

in the hopes of buttering? No, no, hear me. in the hopes of maybe buttering them up for like some future like, hey, you know, that's the guy who let me into the packed elevator. Yeah, I got five minutes for him. I mean, if it's a general manager that I know, I mean, I don't know. I guess the world is small, right? Like, I don't want, like, one day, like, could you imagine, like, one day you don't

let Kevin Sheville day off in and then the next time you see him at the saddle dough, it's like, oh, you want that interview now, huh? Yeah, okay. I remember that. I don't know. It would be cool if like if it was someone who I knew I needed to talk to, then I would step out and not to let them in. I would just be like, hey, let's let's stand together and let me, let me pick your brain for five, ten minutes.

I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it for the purpose of trading places with them, so to speak. So to speak. You know, last night at the Senators game, Ottawa beat Tampa Bay 5 to 2, Vladi Teresenko scored a goal, had a helper. He's looked really good on the weekend. And there was a situation where I was walking towards a door. Teresenko was walking to the, the same door from the opposite direction,

but we could see each other because there's like a window. We arrive at the door at the same time, each of us on the other side. He opens the door and holds it for me and says, after you. And I thought, wow. I said, Vlad, what, you're holding it for me? This is, this feels like it's the other way around.

And it, anyway, we'll see. We'll see if that continue. Maybe he's recognized Ottawa royalty already. That's awesome. No, I wonder how we did the season, halfway through the season, he's going to be slamming the door on me. But a great start.

Look, before we bring Kevin Shevel Day off in here, there have been some teams off to good start. You know the team that I think, Julian, and obviously the defending Stanley Cup champion, Vegas Golden Knights, 3 and 0, no arguments there. You know who I think has made a real strong statement out of the gates to Boston Bruins? Two games, two wins, and all, like, all of us were saying,

well, just wait until they come crashing back down the earth. No, David Crachie, Patrice Spursier on. All the stuff's going to change. You're going to take a huge step back. And I got to give them credit. Four possible points. They got them all.

And they're off to a really nice start in Boston. Yeah. I'll give it up to them. I mean, a season cannot be. I mean, look, the Boston Bruins, as we also kind of caught. Remember last year we said the Boston Bruins were not going to the Stanley Cup final?

We said that. But we did. We said it definitively. Like we definitively said that. We said it doesn't matter if they had the greatest regular season possible. It did not matter. But good on them because I'll say this. Every time I see Flutosh and Zawa's depth charts, the line combos for practice,

I'm always looking at that center depth. And there's a part of it that's like, this is what they're rolling out for the year, right? Like when you lose out, when you not lose out, but when you lose Bergeron, you lose cry cheap. Like that's a completely different team down the middle. And we know that with their salary caps structure, it's going to take a lot for them to find someone who could fill in that role. So they've had to make some guys work in those spaces. But good for them.

They were able to start 2 and 0. It's very early in the year, though. But also, I'm not surprised a team like Vegas is up 3-0 to start the year. That's a, again, we were kind of sleeping on them to start off this year and win a cup. Maybe they look really good to start. Toronto looks really good to start. At least the offense looks good. Austin Matthews, back-to-back hat tricks.

we're recording this on Monday, he could potentially become the first player in NHL history to roll off three consecutive hat tricks at any point, let alone to start the season, but at any point, no one's ever done it. So I'm of two minds on this, Julian, help me out. Part of me is like, man, I want to see history. I love celebrating individual success, three straight hat tricks, sign me up. That's, that's like one part of my brain. Then there's another part of my brain that's like, hang on. He plays for Toronto. And the coverage of this, I don't want to see, like, you know, one of those deep columns on Tuesday after he does, is Austin Matthews underrated question mark? You know what I mean?

No, stop this. I mean, I'll say this. If it was anybody else, I would be on board. Like, I feel like it wouldn't be blown out of proportion. They will find the way to blow this out of proportion is what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know. I think the fact that Austin Matthews has been able to get back-to-back hatchets, that's an incredible achievement. And if he does it three games in a row, that is awesome. I'll say this, though, for people like myself who thought after last year that

maybe we shouldn't put Austin Matthews in the top five of NHO players, feels like we're eating crow pretty early. It's early, but I don't have a problem putting him back in that top five. Like he's started off this season with dynamite. And he looks like a very early MVP candidate for the Toronto Maple Leafs this year. And for the NHL as a whole. I don't know. I think if it gets to the point when we're underrating Austin Matthews, like that's a bit too far.

Well, as we said, very pleased to bring the general manager of the Winnipeg Jets into the show. We'll bring him in. Kevin Shevoldeuf joins us on the athletic hockey show on this month. Monday. Chevy, thanks so much for joining us. My pleasure. Almost didn't get me. We're having some technical problems here, but figured it out.

Okay. Okay. Hey, we're going to try a nice icebreaker question because, you know, I covered the senators. Julian covers the flames. We want you to feel comfortable here. When's the last time Kevin Shevold-Dayoff dressed up for Halloween? Wow.

That's a good question. I'm not even sure. You know, it's been so long since I had that. But people will probably say, you know, I dress up all the time for Halloween. But, uh, come on. It's a good question. It's a good question. I can't remember.

Okay. Yeah, we were talking about it because we were talking about, we're talking about general manager interaction stories. And then I discussed the story I had with, uh, with Julian Breezewell, that involved Halloween costume. So it got to a whole other discussion about whether or not a general manager could actually show up to his office and wear a Halloween costume on Halloween. And the answer is no.

No, probably not. Yeah, exactly. We're really excited to have you on because, look, you shocked all of us earlier this month when you put together those deals for Mark Schifley and your goaltender, Connor Hallibach. And I think just for our listeners and our viewers, I think a lot of people would like to know how, like not only how that came together, but the ability to keep. keep that under wraps in an era and an age in which it feels like negotiations or play by

play of these things come out all the time. How did you manage to keep that one under wraps so well? Well, I think it's a real testament, I think, to the, you know, the representatives that I worked with there, you know, both, you know, Connors and Mark's, you know, representatives did a great job in kind of communicating and talking. And we, you know, we talked a lot. We were very, very, I guess, transparent with them, but what we were trying to get accomplished. And they both knew that we were, you know, kind of working on parallel tracks in trying to bring them both back. So I think they just, everyone just respected each other's privacy here because one could happen, you know, the other could have happened. Neither could have happened, I guess, in reality.

But, you know, the way it all worked out was perfect. So, you know, it's, again, it's a testament, I think, to the hard work that both, you know, the agents, Craig Osster and Ray Petcoe put in with us and wanted to get these deals done. It was the intention always to keep both of those players. We know after how last season ended and Blake Wheeler ended up bolting for greener pastures. People were wondering if this roster was going to be on the verge of a rebuild, if Connor Hellabuck was going to be in a different city, if Mark Schifley was going to have to go somewhere else.

Was the intention in your mind always to have those guys in the fold going forward? Was there a moment where you realized, okay, maybe we could make something work to get assets for these guys? Or were you always thinking to keep them as Winnipeg Jets? Well, I think it really goes back to the draft. And obviously we made a trade to acquire, you know, Gabe Valardi, Alex Ayafalo and Rasmus Kapari. I think, you know, right there, I think that kind of sent a message to our group that, you know, we're in this to try to keep on winning here. We believe we've got some, you know, real good players here that we wanted to, you know, surround with, you know, some experience as well.

So getting those three players really changed. I think the look of our forward group gave us some depth and dimension that maybe we didn't have. Obviously, you know, we made the choice to buy out Blake and move on, you know, in that regard. And obviously that opened a clear path for us, you know, to name Adam Lowry as our captain and, you know, solidify our leadership group, you know, with Josh Morrissey and obviously Mark Schifley as well. And when it came time to begin training camp, I had an opportunity to meet both players individually face to face. And we sat there, talked about the team, talked about the past.

You know, obviously they were both here in the 2017, 18, 18, 19 years where, you know, we had a team that we believe, you know, could have, you know, even gone farther than the conference finals, you know, that we did in 1718. And we talked about the future. And we talked about some of the prospects within the organization and just, the thought process and how we wanted to move forward. And I think, you know, they asked some questions. You know, we had some candid conversations, but I think it paved the way for us to step up negotiations after that point

and try to get something done. As you mentioned, unfortunately, you had to buy out Blake Wheeler and he had just a tremendous run in your market. When you sign a Hellebuck and you sign a Shifley at that age, how do you, as a group, discussed, you know, down the run, road. These are great signings now, but how do you as a hockey operations group discuss how these contracts age as the players kind of hit their mid-30s? Well, yeah, that is a great question because obviously every individual is different. You know, some players can, you know, can age and continue

to play at certain different levels. And, you know, I think you have to look at the individuals, you know, both, you know, Connor Hellibuck and Mark Schifley are individuals that, you know, take tremendous care of their body, understand their off-season training, you know, know what it takes for them to compete at a high level on the cutting edge of sports science all the time, looking for, you know, different things like that. So again, you know, athletes, I think now are, you know, a lot more than they even used to, you know, 10, 15 years ago. And I think that's helping them prolong their careers as well. But make no mistake, you know, father time, you know, is something that you always have to be cognizant of.

But it was important for us to make sure that we did lock up these individuals because they're such a big part of what we're trying to get accomplished right now. The Jets are going to be hosting the L.A. Kings this weekend. There will be the first time Pierre L. Dubois will return to Winnipeg after he changed sides and went to the L.A. Kings this offseason. I would like to know as best as you can detail what your relationship was like with Pierre Luke. and we know he obviously wanted to seek another city at the end of it, at the end of the day.

But what was your relationship like in dealing with Pierloch while he was a member of the Winnipeg Jans? You know, it was actually really great. You know, Pierluck is, you know, is someone that obviously, you know, was very convicted in his ways and wanting to, you know, pick his market and do what, you know, what he wanted to do as a, you know, as a player. And he certainly, you know, was on the verge of earning that right, I guess, you know, from being an unrestricted free agent, kind of one year from, you know, when we were talking. But fortunately for us, we were able to, you know, make a deal. I think that, you know, makes us stronger as an organization.

And, you know, with an eye to the future as well, picking up a second round pick as well. You know, and we're real excited about Gabe Volardi. I think for us, and Alex Alixifal and Rasmus Kupari, but Gabe is someone that, you know, just started to scratch the surface. So he's 24 years old. And, you know, someone that was a high. prospect that, you know, was dealt some bad hand, you know, with some injuries and stuff like that that I think slowed his growth. So for us, you know, we're excited about what Gabe can bring.

Alex, you know, is a tremendous, you know, player on the ice plays with a lot of energy, kind of a Swiss Army knife. And Rasmus Karpari is someone that, you know, again, can, you know, can really skate and fits in really well with how we want to play the game. So for us, again, the positives are, I think we're a deeper group. And, you know, I like what I see so far. I have a theory that Cal Connor is the best kept secret in the NHL, that I don't think enough people understand when you're talking about the best pure snipers in the game, you think of Matthews and you think of Pasernach and you think,

but I don't think his name comes up as often as it should. What's the ceiling for him? Do you think as a goal score? Well, I think, you know, certainly, you know, he's one of those guys that can play with a lot of different guys. and he has some really good chemistry with, you know, with Mark Schifley and, you know, hopefully that that line of Lardi Schifley and Kyle Conner can do some great things. But, but Casey is someone that, you know, he's got great speed and, you know, he's got, you know, good hockey sense and he can really, like you say, shoot the puck.

So it'll be interesting to see. And I hope he can get back to that 40-goal range that he did a couple of years ago. And for us, you know, he's a big part of what, you know, what drives our offense. And but I think that, you know, again, he's one of those guys. It's just like you stay quietly, gets, you know, gets that job done. Kevin, you mentioned that the moves you've made this offseason are all to win. I would like to know your honest opinion about how your team compares to other Western conference squads like in Edmonton or a Vegas or.

or Dallas as well in that conversation, Colorado as well. Yeah, I think we're obviously, you know, we're a group that has to play a certain way, you know, to be successful. And I think that, you know,

we're a team that, you know, has a lot of different components in it. It's not necessarily, you know, just one, you know, high end star or, you know, one high end defenseman. Certainly we do have the high end goal tending. But I think, you know, when, if you look at, you know,

how we started off last season and, you know, we were right there. for, you know, good 40, 50 games challenging for, you know, the division lead. It all comes down to, you know, you need to play the game the right way. And I think when we do, we're a successful team. We're about a month away. I think the general managers will have their next sort of GM meetings right around the Hall of Fame weekend there, middle of November.

What's the conversation like amongst your colleagues right now? It feels like, and I can't remember this any time during the salary cap era, where there's only like really like five or six teams that really have a lot of room to operate and it feels like about 20 to 25 teams basically are at the cap or pretty much close to it. How much is that a topic of conversation amongst your colleagues? Well, it certainly comes in to play in a lot of different instances. Obviously, we're on, I think, the fourth year or third or fourth year of a relatively flat cap. And I think that has its ramifications as well.

You know, what you'll eventually see is, you know, teams, you know, that aren't an LTI may go into LTE. I have injuries, maybe that frees up some cap space, you know, for different players or different people, the teams to be looking for different players. It is an interesting time, though, and again, to see, you know, how many teams are maxed out, you know, going into the season, you know, it is something as a manager here that, you know, you have to have meticulous planning and you have to know the ins and out, but there's things that you can't control. and that is the injuries and the type of injuries. You know, again, if it's a shorter term kind of injury, you don't really get any cap relief. So, you know, there are some mechanisms in there to, you know, for kind of player replacements after a period of time.

But, you know, to want to try and make changes, that's why so much of your work has to be done during the summer, you know, when, you know, the kind of things are static and you can try and plan your way through some things. Last one for me, Kevin, on Adam Lowry being captain. You guys did not have a captain last year. You're one of two Canadian squads to not have a C. I'm just curious from your vantage point,

why it's so important for you to have one this year and why Adam? Well, I think, you know, again, last year we went through a phase of transition where we wanted to open up the leadership group, you know, to other players as well. And, you know, players, you know, to let them grow and let them see kind of, you know, what kind of capabilities that they would have. Adam is someone that, you know, is just a natural leader. Like, the way he plays,

the respect that he commands, you know, amongst his teammates, the respect that he commands around the league. You know, it's kind of like, you know, again, he plays a game very honestly. He plays a game, you know, hard each and every night. And I think that,

that respect factor goes a long way. And, you know, for us, you know, there's a couple of guys that probably could have, you know, fallen into that same category, Josh Morrissey. And obviously, you know, at that point in time, you know, we didn't have Mark Schifely signed, but he's a huge part of our leadership group here moving forward. So all these guys were drafted by us.

All these guys, you know, came through our development system in some way, shape, or form. And now this is their team. They're here to lead it. And, you know, there was two very common themes that went through the conversations that I had with Connor Hullabuck and Mark Schifley when we're going through the negotiations. One is that they want to win.

But two, is they want to win with this group. And, you know, there's a very tight-knit bond amongst the group of players that are here now. And, you know, they're hoping to make some noise. Before we let you go, speaking of tight-knit bonds, I know when you work in a small market city, you need to have that tight-knit bond with your community. Our colleague Murat, Atesh, kind of sent us a note and said, hey, if you get a chance, ask Chevy about helping out at the Bruce Oak Recovery Center. And I know that anybody who's been in Winnipeg knows that that facility has done some wonderful

things in your community. And you were part of an event very recently. And I think on a game day, no less, you took some time to go out. And we wanted to just offer you an opportunity to talk about you being part of that initiative. Well, you know, again, the Bruce Oak Recovery Center is something that, you know, as a community here. We're very fortunate, you know, to have. And it's, it's helping, you know, young men getting their lives back. And, you know, the wonderful work that they've done is just, you know, it's measurable because of, you know, of this disease that, you know, that does, you know,

try to go after so many, you know, young people as well. And, you know, the one thing that, again, the tragedy that happened in the Oak family and them, you know, giving back self, selflessly to, you know, to help the community. And now, you know, setting off plans for the Ann Oak Recovery Center for women, it's just it's special. So, you know, again, Scott Oak is someone that has given so much to the game of hockey, Winnipeg. And, you know, now, you know, helping, you know, raise awareness like this.

It's just, it's the least we can do. It was a very special event that, you know, we had a gala or that. They had a gala and over half of our players were there as well supporting. And, you know, again, it's a cause that is near and dear to all of us. And anybody, you know, that wants to learn more about it, should go online and take a look. Because, you know, again, starting from scratch, they've built a very powerful, a very powerful place. Yeah.

Well, I really appreciate you sharing that anecdote and also taking a few minutes to chat with us here on the Monday edition of the podcast. Listen, thanks for this. on Tuesday against Los Angeles and best of luck the rest of the season. Awesome. Thanks very much for having me. All right, there goes. Kevin Shevoldeoff, general manager, and a guy who maybe didn't dress up for Halloween? Nah, he never, I don't think, you know, he gave him, he went right into full GM mode there

where he was, he didn't answer the question, but he answered the question. I still don't know when the last time he dressed up for Halloween was. Had to have been, like, as a kid or so, like, I figure, like, dressing up, well, you know what, the rules for dressing up for Halloween, I feel like they're all over the place. For trick or treating, you should stop when you start high school or when you're 12 or 13. But dressing up, I mean, you could literally do that whenever. You know, like we're literally talking about having costumes. When that, you know, it'll be like 9.15 on Halloween night.

Let's say it's a Wednesday. And your apartment door or your house door, whatever knocks or rings, you know it's a bunch of teenagers. with no real costume, but just like a pillowcase looking for candy. Stop trick-or-treating when you get into high school, folks. Yeah, I agree with that. Also, one other thing I'll say while we, one other thing I want to say about Halloween. No, don't stop doing that.

One other thing I'll say about Halloween before we bring in Daniel Nugent Bowman. Halloween should trick-or-treating should be on the last Friday in October. My God. I hate this idea of going out on a Tuesday, night or Thursday night on a school night last Friday in October. I have been banging this drum for years. Oh my God. Why don't we?

Thanksgiving is always the first Monday of October. And Labor Day is the first Monday of September. Why can't Halloween be the last Friday of October? The last. But you know what happens? People always come back to me and say, you can't because of the combination of it's all tied into the calendar. history and the and the church and the 30th is an important date.

The church? Yeah. Oh yeah. It's a whole thing. I don't know about that. Yeah, I think so. I think there's something with the church calendar and all saints day or something. Anyway, I don't want to get all weird. But you could honor that day and still, you know, have it as it is, but you could have trick-treating on the last Friday. Like different neighborhoods of different communities should, you know, have whatever town hall meetings they need to have and say, hey, last Friday of October, you let your kids go

door to door, get candy, they have their Halloween parties. I mean, they're going to have them anyway. So why? What's the point? Who's pushing for Halloween to happen on a Tuesday? I need it on that Wednesday night. It's the 31st is very sacred.

No, it's not. I'm not saying don't celebrate Halloween. Like, if you could have the trick-a-tree on the Friday. And then on the 31st, you could continue to celebrate Halloween. You could dress up and do what you want. But for trick or treating, for the kids, for the best kids, have it on that last Friday. Let's bring in Daniel Nugent Bowman.

I love to know what's thoughts about this. You know, our standard question, our standard question in the next week or so that we're going to be asking guests, Daniel Lugent Bowman, when's the last time you dressed up for Halloween? Wow. It's been a while. Especially COVID. I'll guess,

it's got to be sometime in the last 10 years, but I don't know. Actually, you know what? I did do, I did, I was a firefighter last year because I took my daughter out trick-or-treating, which leads me to my first question. Julian, are you a parent all of a sudden that I don't know about? No, not parent.

I'm not-parent. I'm not-parious whole lovejoy vibes here about somebody was, somebody used to think about the children on this podcast. What somebody think of the children? You're absolutely right. I'm not a parrot. I would just be thoughtful. I just think it makes sense. Yeah.

They're very concerned about these kids getting to sleep. Oh, man. I'm not allowed to be considerate. You can be. Yeah. You can. Come on. Yeah.

We're suspicious of your motives, apparently. But, um, whoa. No, no, no. Hey, reason why, we didn't want to have a Halloween debate with Daniel Lou Geboma. We want to talk about what on earth is going on with the Edmonton Oilers. And I don't think it's ever too early to panic in a passionate hockey market, whether it's Buffalo. I think they're feeling it. And I think they're feeling a little bit in Edmonton.

And I think a lot of people were willing to give the 8-1 loss, be like, okay, whatever. And I think the effort was there on Saturday. The result wasn't, but the effort was probably there. But still, 0 and 2, two losses take us through how people are feeling at Edmonton right now. Well, it is never too early to panic in a place where your team is supposed to be one of the top Stanley Cup contenders in the league. And to your point, Ian, I mean, the second game of the year, Saturday night, they probably deserve a better fate. I mean, they outshot the connects more than two to one. They have chanced them. They had some boneheaded lapses, though.

I mean, how do you give up a two on, two on O like that? I mean, there are times when you give a two on O when you make a bad change because, you think the puck's going in deep or something like that. But they had all five guys up in the rush, which is something you're taught at, you know, under eight hockey not to do, right? So it's just a boneheaded play by a bunch of players. I mean, Darnell Nurse and Cody Cs,

you shouldn't have been up in the play. Warren Fogel shouldn't have missed the net that badly to start the breakout for Vancouver. So, but yeah, they deserve a better fate in that game. The first game Wednesday night was an absolute train wreck. I mean, I've covered this team for six years. Jay Woodcroft's been the coach since February of 2022. And that was probably the worst game I've seen them play since a couple of those early

games against Calgary, you know, a year and a half ago. Like, everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong, and it was the Oilers' fault. I mean, they were crushed on puck battles, couldn't get a safe from the goaltender. And then by the end of the game, McDavid and Drysettle are taking, you know, frustration penalty. So that was, you know,

disaster of a game. And there are some, there are some troubling signs on this team. Goaltending being one of them for sure. I wouldn't put the goaltending, you know, whether it's Skinner or Campbell, as the biggest fault.

I mean, there were a lot of great A's, but you need to get a save. Offensively, especially in the first game without at home, was a mess. And they look a little slow in the top six so far. and the bottom six is not providing a whole lot.

So for a team that was seen as of probably a top five, maybe even top three cup contender coming into the year, there's some red flags early. And that's after two games with this roster, right? I mean, I've been joking about it over the last week, how so many people had a 2006 cup final rematch as their potential cup final match for this year, Carolina versus Edmonton.

But in terms of these lapses and troubling signs, Was it something that you spotted in preseason as a worry? Is this something that has just come out of nowhere? I'd like to know how you saw it. Well, the biggest issue for this team in the preseason was not having Matias Haccombe. And what they wanted to do was put Matissexon with one of the younger defensemen, probably Philip Roberg, to kind of let him work his magic like he did on Evan Bouchard last season. So they saw Evan Bouchard now as a unquestioned top four

defensemen on this team, really a top three because I would say they don't have a top four or a fourth defenseman. And that's something that they'll be shopping for later in the year. But the nurse C.C. or sorry, the nurse Bouchard pairing has not really shown itself all that well. It hadn't in the preseason, I don't think, and especially in the first game. And so when they brought back at home and Echholm was healthy enough to play in the second game, they kind of went back to their comfort food. And that was. putting Echoam with Bouchard because that worked so well last season. The problem is, you know, Nurse and Cody Cici a lot last year, they really struggled.

And again, I think they need another defenseman, but they're also trying to kind of work in Broberg and to a lesser extent Vincent A RNA. So there's some moving parts on this defensive core that aren't fully settled in. they've also been trying to shift to a zone defense from a man to man, and they've been doing that the preseason and early in the season as well. And there's a couple of blown coverages, especially I think it was the second or third Vancouver goal in the first game where Evan Bouchard gets four-checked, kind of gets the puck,

but there's a second guy on him, and there's a pass to Brock Bessor, and there's three Oilers standing there, Nurse Connor McDiagie. Stephen and Connor Brown, neither one of them had Ed Bressor who had time to blast one by Jack Campbell. So, yeah, there's some things that definitely need to be cleaned up. And I think some of it will come with time and some of it has to come down to effort to other players as well. You know what I thought that was the amazing stat

was in the opening game, Jack Campbell, 16 shots, 12 saves. Stuart Skinner comes in to replace him. He faces 16 shots, makes 12 saves. Then Skinner plays again on Saturday, 16 shots, 12 saves. That's kind of weird that everybody stays in shots and making 12 saves. But I want to ask you a little bit about Jack Campbell because by all accounts, Daniel, he had a really good training camp. And there was a feeling like, hey, maybe he's founded himself mentally and physically

and maybe he could play 45 games again or 50 games. Like, what's a, I mean, what's a realistic expectation right now for Jack Campbell, given the way the opener went? Yeah, well, whether it's Campbell or Stuart Skinner, a 750, say, percentage is going to be a little bit higher, regardless of the shock quality. I mean, you're not going to win with 750 goaltending. And you're right.

And I mean, in the preseason, Jack Campbell was probably the best story coming out of the preseason. They played him three times, twice on the road. And in the last game where Seattle brought a very NHL veteran lineup, I think maybe one or two regulars missing from that group. So when you look at the quality of competition that Campbell faced versus Stuart Skinner, it was heavily favored in Campbell's favor in terms of how tough the competition was. And he outplayed Stewart Skinner.

Skinner really only had one bad game in the three and it was on the road. But Campbell allowed one goal in each game. And again, against some pretty quality lineups. It was very good doing it too. I think there was a lot of optimism going into the year, especially after the year that he had last season. You know, he said he's worked on his mental game a lot in the summer, worked with goaltending coach,

former NHLichael Goldtening coach and NNHale goaltender, Mandy Legacy. So there was a lot of things that he needed to address. Some of that is, you know, he's incredibly hard on himself. I think that's the secret's out on that one. And he's been trying to kind of taper that back a little bit. But, I mean, you know, we're talking. talking about a small sample size, a period and a bit in the, in the season opener, where I don't know how many, maybe one you could fault them, but again, you kind of need

to get some saves. And the way the Oilers, goaltending tandem is set up is they have two good goaltenders. I mean, Stuart Campbell's been a starter in this league. Stuart Skinner, who's a college trophy runner up last year, and they're hoping they can get something. Like they're hoping one guy can really grab it. They're going to need both guys because they don't have a true starter between what they hoped were defensive improvements

and obviously the offense and power play being what it is. They're hoping that good goaltending can carry them through. And they're not getting that right now, and they're going to need at least that we considered a realistic cup contender. but I would look for both guys to be, you know, sharing the load and whoever can kind of grasp it early on is the guy who's going to take it. And that's kind of what happened last season and by American Thanksgiving. Stuart Skinner had won the net and taking the ball from there. DNB, you mentioned the championship window for the Emmonson Oilers.

How long would you say that window has in terms of it being a lot? open. Without serious overhaul, this roster is basically two years. That's what they're looking at. I mean, we and Dreisado's contracts up in two years, McDavid, three. But this team is pretty old, and its core is pretty old.

I mean, Matissec Holmes 33, Hyman, Kane, Eugene Hopkins are all 30 plus. Jack Campbell's in that group, too. Quickly, right behind them, don't look now, but like, Connor McDavid's getting close to,

to 30, right? Like, it's not quite there yet. I mean, it'd be 37 in June. Yeah, and Dreisettled a year and a bit older than him. Yeah, I mean, this is the time. And, you know, early returns, obviously aren't great for this season. But, I mean, but there's 80 games clearly to go. And nobody, I don't think, expects this team to be out of the running or anything like that.

But this core is old. and this is the time to do it. And, you know, it's impossible to say right now what's going to happen with Leon Drieslottel and Connor McDade with both players. I've said that they want to win here, you know, by all accounts, you know, don't dislike being here or being in Edmonton. And, you know, I think there's as good a chance as any, you know, team in terms of trying, them resigning with the Oilers. But this team will have to look different by the time that they resign. And if they don't win in these next couple of years, without a serious overhaul, it's going to be hard to really kind of grasp

or understand how they're going to be able to win. I got a question for you here because your article on Eck Holmes returned to Nashville, which will happen tomorrow, drop earlier today. And you had a chance to spend some time with him and sort of pick his brain about going back to Nashville. First of all, are you in Nashville right now? I am, yeah. I'm in a hotel down here.

So I actually had a chance to talk to Barry Trots and Roman Yossi about Echom that those quotes were added in a piece. And also Tyson Barry, the former oiler who was part of that trade. Yeah, I noticed because suddenly now the kind of the placeline says Edmonton and Nashville for your story. Hey, what did you get for those conversations with Roman Yosi and Barry Trots? and I mean, Barry Trots GM sounds weird. Still not used to it. I'm not used to it, but what were those conversations like? Yeah, and I mean, Barry Trots is his first coach, right?

I had a chance to coach him for the beginning stages of this career and could tell how good of a player he was going to be. But Barry Trots wasn't officially the general manager when that trade was made at the end of February, but he was very much with the organization and said that, yeah, he was part of that. and it was his recommendation to trade at home because he didn't think that the by the time that the predators were ready to pop as he put it, that at home would kind of be the player that he is like within that championship, new championship window for Nashville and wanted to do right by him and give him the respect of trading him to Stanley Cup contender. And he thought that that Edmonton was at the top of that list with McDavid and Dryside. and, you know, it's mentioned a lot in Edmonton. I've mentioned it a lot, but it's very odd to see a player come to Edmonton

and have the backing of a spouse. I mean, his wife is from northern Sweden. And when they got to Nashville, Ekham tells a story of her saying, like, where are we? When she found out that they were going to Edmonton, she was overjoyed, which is not something you hear regularly, right? So very much likes the winter climate and all that. And his son was born here over the summer. So they've really kind of ensconced themselves in Edmonton

and has fit the teams like incredibly well. Like everyone saw the impact that he had on this team, not only on Emin Bouchard, but mentoring along, you know, a guy like Philip Burrubberg, being a very quiet and respected leader already in this team. I mean, the on-ice results, you know, we're astounding too, like five-on-five.

The others outscored the opposition in 21 games, 31 to 10 with that come on the ice. And, you know, he's exactly the type of player that they needed. And, you know, Roman Yose was telling me just how underrated a player that at home was. I mean, part of it is being in Nashville. Part of it is he does everything well, right? He doesn't, nothing really pops out.

at you unless you're really kind of watching closely and dissecting his game. You know, he's not going to dart up the ice and score a goal like Kail McCarr, or he's not going to run a power play like Eric Carlson. But he just, like, he hardly ever makes a wrong decision. And that's the type of player that the others had needed for so long and it was so apparent without him in the lineup on what. so you shouldn't lose that badly, but they rely so much on him to be a difference maker and really run the ship back there.

I know at the end of the month we'll have the Heritage Classic, the Oilers and the Flames in Edmonton. I'll look forward to chop it up with you at that point. We did a piece not too long ago on the uniforms for both of those teams, the Calgary Flames and the Edmonton Oilers. I believe they had a practice the other day where the Oilers were wearing some of their gear. now that, I mean, have you gotten to see them in person? I'm just curious for more of your insights on on those jerseys. I know I know the Flames one looks really good. I was out a Wu-Tang concert over the weekend and some of the members were wearing,

at least one of those were wearing the Heritage Classic jersey for the Flames. I'd love to know your take on on the Oilers one now that you may have seen them from up close. Yeah, actually, I missed that day of practice. I don't know if I was traveling or what the heck was going on. I mean, I saw all good. But I mean, I did see obviously the video and stills that came out of that day. I mean, I like the sweaters. I mean, I'll have to see the pants and gloves.

They're obviously going with the kind of the brown retro look. The sweaters are really cool. I mean, I think anytime you could kind of pay homage to, you know, the past and the Edmonton Mercury's that won the gold medal for Canada back in 1950, 1952, I think it's a really cool thing. It's interesting, as we wrote or I wrote in the piece, my part of the piece with you, Julian. It would have been neat to maybe see them have oranges the base and blue shoulders kind of more match to the mercury colors.

But the last two times they've gone outside, they've worn orange. So I do. And they've kind of veered away from that the last year and a bit wearing blue. So I get that choice. So I think they're really cool. It's certainly a much different look than they've ever had when they've played outdoors. So, you know, I'll be really neat to see them up close. Before we let you go, what is Daniel Nugent,

Bowman do in Nashville when he's got a free night? Not go to Broadway. I'm not a country. Not a country fan. The Broadway is right by the rank. I've already kind of seen what that's all about. And of course, we're all here in in June for the draft. So I've had enough of that.

I don't know. I think there'll be a couple of Edmonton media members poking around later. I'm sure there'll be something, but no immediate plans. So the knight is young and choices are a penny. Yeah. So you will not end up at Tootseys is what you're saying. He's not saying no. Don't bet on it.

I'm not saying no, but don't, if you have to bet, I wouldn't put a lot of money. I expect to see a picture of you and a shirtless Jean Principae at some point. On the strip. Nobody needs to see that on my end. I think Gene's posted enough. shirtless pictures. Yeah, exactly. He can do that for the both of us.

All right. Hey, listen, safe travels from Nashville. Look forward to your coverage of Eck Holmes return down there. And thanks for dropping by the Monday pot. All right. Take care, guys. Thanks for having me on. Here goes everybody. Daniel Lugent Bowman covers the Edmonton Oilers.

And always fun to chat with him. Boy, I got to tell you that, that Edmonton team, you know, in that conversation, the thing I took away from it is, I'm worried about the goal tend. And, and, and I know it was a talking point last year, but Skinner kind of saved them. I don't know. I, I, I don't know.

I, 750 save percentages early. It's early, but that would be my biggest concern. Yeah, through two games, it's not the greatest. I think what also hurts worse too is, yeah, Jack Campbell actually did look pretty good in, in preseason. This is a guy who came in on that four-year contract, and just for whatever reason, at least to start with the Emmington Oilers in his first year,

he did not go well for him. And then Stuart Skinner had to supplant him. This is a guy who, I think for Jack Campbell, when he's playing at his best, he could really help this team out. It's just there's something about him where he has not shown to be consistently reliable as an NHL goaltender, I find.

It's a shame because he's talking to some friends of mind with the organization. Like he comes across as really, good guy and he very much cares a lot, especially when he comes to winning in for his team. So I think for the for the oilers, I'm sure they want him to play well. It's just he has not shown that sufficiently in his orler's tenure yet. And the fact that we're two games in and we're already having questions about not just him, but Stuart Skinner as well, I can understand why that's a big point of concern, but also we have to remember it is just two games. I mean, I wonder what we're

going to say if the Oilers lose against the Nashville predators in Nashville. Like, I mean, maybe at that point, then you're going to have to ask some questions, but it's still just two games, right? If the Oilers win in Nashville and the goaltending's okay, I think that brings in at least some breathing room. This is still the Oilers. This is still a team we're expecting to get the playoffs and be really good this year, right?

It's just two games. I don't know if that's enough of a sample size to just say, to really judge this team. No, not it. We can't call them Stanley Cup favorites, and then within a week be like, wow, they're done. Like that, that seems a little harsh. They need more time.

Yeah, they need more time. Let's, um, real quick, let's open up the emails here. The athletic hockey show at gmail.com. Stuart Skinner would be our starting goalie for our Simpsons themed NHL team, right? We were trying to comprise a list of players with Simpson's themed names. Matt and Calgary writes in, from the discussion regarding the Simpsons' names, am I the only one who can't hear Robert Bortuzo's name without

thinking of Bort. I know it's a deep pick. Every time I hear that name in the game, I also think my son is named Bort Tuzzo as well. Would it be allowed to do that? I mean, if that, there is a Bort in the Simpsons universe. Exactly. My son is also named Bort.

Yeah, the Bort license plate. We also talked about, does anybody actually remember the 2006 Olympics in Turin. Mikhail does. Mikhail writes in the show, again, The Athletic Hockey Show at gmail.com. Thanks for reopening old wounds, guys.

The final intern in 2006 was between Sweden and Finland. Teenage version of me experienced my first heartbreak in sports. His Saku-Koi-Vu stick broke on the opening face off of overtime. A few seconds later, Nick Lidstrom, of course, the perfect human being, scored the golden goal at nine seconds in, assisted by Matt Sundeen. Peter Forsberg.

It was a beautiful slapper, no denying that. But as a Finn, losing to Sweden is always the worst. But hey, it happens. Looking forward to this season. And the next episode, that's from Mikhail. Thank you, Michael. Michael. Michael.

I should also mention, I was at my ball hockey game yesterday. And one of my teammates, rarely the 06 tournament came up. And one of my teammates asked me was Todd Bertuzzi on that 016. and I did not remember. And yes, he was. We looked it up after the fact that he was. Just for me, like I don't have, for whatever reason, I don't have all these memories of the 06 team.

Like I just, I can't even tell you about, like at least the 2002 Olympics, even though I was a really young kid, I can point out some moments from the gold medal game. I think there's like a weird Sweden game where Tommy Sallow allowed a really weird goal. There are some moments I could think of, But the 06 Olympics, like, I think it's, it's empty in my head.

I don't have, like, file not found would come up if you, if you would come up if you went through my archive of files in my brain. All right. Real quick, Jason writes into the show. I love this. This is an homage to the radio world, Julian. Ian and Julian, long time listener, first time caller. Born in 1993, so I was 13 years old at the time of the 2006, I turned Olympics.

I don't have a great memory. But one thing that I think from the 06 games that happened popped into my mind during your discussion, I have a vague recollection of a television ad, maybe it was on the CBC, with the theme of size doesn't matter. And Martin San Luis was standing next to comically tall boards at a gate leading onto the ice. They were like above his shoulders. Also, for the Simpson name, how did neither of you say Willie Mitchell? groundskeeper

Willie Mitchell you guys went Willie Nealander lastly as a Vancouver fan how do you not feel good about that performance to open the season PD with four points

JT with four points Quinn with three Garland with the beauty to open the season of scoring Brock Besser after a couple of seasons of injury and some tough stuff

going on including the rapid declining health of his father leading to his eventual passing Brock Besser with a four goal performance all of that

over the odds on Stanley Cup favorites, it just warms your heart. Thanks for the quality content guys and get Laz on for more rants. All right. All right. Yeah, you're right. Vancouver, I mean, we could have given them more time today,

but the Vancouver Canucks got to like their start today. I mean, God liked their start over the first two games. Yeah, absolutely. All right. That does it for the Monday pod. You know, we want to tee up a couple of things. How about this? We need a trumpet.

Chris Johnston. Oh, yes. And not a sad trumpet, a trumpet to announce something. Yes. CJ, Chris Johnston, on his birthday, no less. Joining the Athletic is a full-time senior writer.

We're super stoked for that. He's going to be a guest on the Leaf Report. Jonas Siegel, James Myrtle, coming up on Tuesday. So if you're Leaves fan, I wonder if they'll talk about Austin Matthews. Is he underrated? Yeah, I don't know.

He's kind of overlooked in that market when you really think about it. Also, for those wondering, CJ's show will come out on Tuesday and not on Monday. We figured we'd give him the, we give him his birthday off. Our episode of The Athletic Hockey Show on Tuesday will feature another senior writer with the athletic. Maybe the hardest working guy in the biz, Mike Russo. Yeah. Rousseau is going to join us. And we're also going to get a chance to eavesdrop on a conversation.

and Mike Russo, Bill Zito, General Manager of Florida Panthers, Russo and Zito. Sounds like an Italian dish. I'll take the Russo and Zito. Russo and Zito. Or a really good tandem on some random radio station. Yeah, listen to Russo and Zito, 4 to 6.

On 96.9. The Fox. It would be like something like that. The Fox. Yeah. The Fox. Anyway, Rousseau and Zito, we're going to pop by, they're going to pop by the show tomorrow.

We're looking forward to that. So back to back. I don't think we should have given Rousseau that the conversation is probably already done with Zito, but he should have asked them, when's the last time you dressed up for Halloween? That would have been, I would love to know Bill Zito's answer to that.

I feel like he, he might either give us like a, oh, man, like, really, you're making me do this, or he'd give us a good answer. One of those two. There's only one guy I want to know when the last time he dressed up for Halloween. That's Lou Lamarillo. Oh, the answer is never.

I was about to say, Lou Lamarillo might have dressed up when they came up with the concept of dressing up for Halloween. Wow. Jeez. That dark fast. All right. Was that that that bad?

I thought that was that. I don't know. I wasn't drop me beat. That guy's just a great general manager. Just not a Halloween guy. Not a Halloween. That's fine. That's fine.

That's okay. You and I are back at it. We'll dissect Baderd versus Matthews all the Monday stuff that goes down today again. Mike Russo is going to pop-bye with Bill Zito at that conversation. Thanks for listening to the Monday edition of the Athletic Hockey Show. Follow us on your favorite podcast platform.

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