The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - Daphne Guinness and the Anarchy of Creativity with Katya

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

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Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and stretch. Steep. Flip. Or that, and enjoy. Via Rail, love the way. Okay, welcome back to The Bald and Beautiful. However, today is a rare exception.

Neither of us are bald, and both of us are beautiful. We have a legend in the house. Daphne Guinness, thank you so fucking much for being here. I was going to do this really cheeky thing. It was like, get, like, fast. in your fucking seat bells because we've got a legend in the house she's an elusive chanteau she's her fucking legend but i was just that sounds really good okay great daphne fucking guineas thank you for being here this is i have to say i'm going to try to like modulate my emotional

temperature um and not flip out because i was telling um mark yes tell mark about 10 years ago maybe uh me and a bunch of my friends were at uh uh a friend's house on the floor of his bedroom and he's like, I have to show you this. And his giant TV, he put on heaven and we all like collectively shat our pants. And it was,

we were all like, it was like a rare moment where nobody pulled their phone. Nobody looked away. Nobody had gone to the bathroom. You know what I mean? It was like such a difficult thing to have everybody's attention, like laser focused. And then we just started watching all of them. And it was like,

it was so surreal, so cool. and now you're here it isn't weird so thank you for being here how are you doing I'm doing really well it's so nice of you to have me and I'm so happy you love to have me

because I never know what I'm releasing into yeah yeah yeah I mean is it a trap yeah but it's also because there's never any plan

yeah oh that is very relatable to me I never have a plan never have a plan no no but just flying by the seat of your pants yeah I mean because if you plan

it's always going to go something that's going to wrong anyways. Yeah. What is this? What is this fucking cool ass? This is, this is I made a glove with my friend Sean Lean and Alexander McQueen.

Oh, yeah, and this was, this was one of the tryouts for the, the whole glove thing. Jesus Christ. This I still wear.

I've got a couple of them. So, I mean, we're going to get into your like insane couture. I wouldn't even call a collection. What would you would be? call it like tsunami yeah like um now i didn't like not quite if you had to if you had to throw out a number of looks say like full looks you know that you could style a person in how many would you have to

guesstimate that i have no idea because i can do a lot of things with like with changing accessories or or you know or switching things between things but i i don't know because actually a lot of my stuff just lives in storage. And is it like, is it okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's all right. I think it's okay. I mean, it's because I kind of float around.

I'm not really, I don't really have a place, as it were. Yeah, a citizen of the world or the universe. Yeah, exactly. Oh, gosh. I dread going into my storage because the idea of the just like memories and. Oh. I have, I want to, so I was obsessed with, I mean, I came into like looking at fashion kind of late and I think when I saw the Plato's

Atlantis collection from a queen that was that's when I was like holy crap yeah and then what was the what was the point at which you kind of like really got into the world of fashion like so in the thick of it I I guess I was in the thick of it but I've never really I know it sounds are really really strange things but I've never been in on the industry side or in the kind of or really I've never been employed in the the fashion world. Which is probably great. It's probably great.

So I'm kind of, I'm neutral like Switzerland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I haven't, I'm not to sort of bound by any brand or by any kind of whatever. I just go with what,

how I'm feeling. And a lot of it is friends, really. That, but I did find myself in the thick of it probably, I mean, I was in the thick of it before I met, asie. That's how, in a way I kind of met her.

Well, I sort of, I remet her in 1998, but I knew a, as a teenager. Okay. She was a lot old, she was quite a lot older than me. And it's her birthday

today. Shut the fuck up. So happy birthday, Isabella Blow. So for people at home we don't know that Isabella Blow is a legendary stylist

and a champion of McQueen. Yeah. It was she the one that bought his collection from school. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay.

And so, yeah, she was like a, I mean, how would you describe her? Oh my God. She was the funniest person.

I mean, her laugh. And just, she was one of those people that just made you sort of braver, but just by being around her. Oh, that's good. I'm actually quite sort of shy and anxious.

She's much more sort of like gung-ho about her thing. And I sort of, I fell into that part of the kind of fashion world, but I'd always been sort of sort of in the background. I didn't really, I didn't really know how to be in the thick of it. I kind of just learned, I learned on the road, as they say. Yeah, it seems like, I mean, it always seemed to me like an impenetrable world of like snobs. Yeah, well, pretty much. I mean, it's a good way to sum it up.

I mean, it's a world like any others. And what's great is it's like a kind of like a fair or something. So you do run in, what's nice is you sort of develop friendships and lots of sort of relationships over the years. And even though I'm kind of, unless it's a friend, I don't really go to fashion shows because I think it's sort of like, it's more for editors or it's more for kind of like, whatever. And sometimes, you know, I've started to go a tiny bit more,

only because people that I know have to take in over houses or... Sure. Yeah. Who, I just watched the Victoria Beckham documentary, and it was really fascinating to see, like, how long it took her to get taken seriously. Yeah, but she's really good. She actually is, right?

She's really, really brilliant. But it was a slog. I know. Her really long time, poor her. And she's so talented. Yeah. Yep. But they just want, I mean, I...

I think it takes, like, takes you back to 10 or 12 years to kind of break even or not even. I mean, it's so... Longer. I think it was, like, 17 years or something crazy. And that's just, like, in the business side is one thing, but then, like, the, you know, the reputation in the... Well, she did it. Yeah. She did.

She's fucking funny, too. Yeah. I don't know. I don't... I've never met her. met her but she's she's hysterical but it was like it was such an interesting like look at how how kind of yeah like it is tough to get taken seriously because you have to be an artist and you have to be a business person and then you also have to be like cool yeah yeah yeah i mean

i've i must say i've i kind of stopped really i mean i'm not i didn't even i've i must say i live in such a different world and so in an intersection and in my own mind of kind of other things of mythologies. What is your, what is your favorite, what is your current obsession, if any, you have, like, at this very moment? In the fashion world? No, anything.

Well, I'm selfishly, but the album I'm writing. Okay. I mean, but it's kind of halfway in my head, you know what I mean? It's sort of, I'm plotting it out as it were. No, you mentioned outside that you, that songwriting is like,

yeah, it happened in a flash. Yeah, it happens. How the fuck? I don't know. They just appear. I guess it's like excavation or picking up on signals from beyond because I don't feel like, I feel they kind of write themselves in a funny way. Interesting. So it come up with a tune and a phrase. And then it all sort of like just, it's like a kind of puzzle. It just comes together somehow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like sometimes more, some are more, some are more resolved than others. have you um i was i was bopping in the car like severely to hip neck spine

i just got to tell these fucking children at home if you are listening to this or you're watching this and if you don't fucking go to youtube right now i'm going to kill myself um no you need to like put this on on your fucking phone and you don't need to watch this thing on youtube skip that damn ad and then watch the goddamn it is like I what is so exciting to me

is that because now I'm doing little lip sync wiggles again I have an arsenal of your fucking music that I'm going to make money

off of them oh great gosh I'm so difficult for me to find English language music that I actually like oh my goodness

but it's God that's so flattering thank you I mean I'm not I don't there's no point me blowing smoke up your ass

but like it is so good is that ooh Ooh, ooh. It's like, it's so cinematic. That I did in two takes, actually. And it was so funny because my producer was upstairs,

Tony Visconti. And I just sort of, because I knew I had a little bit more and I needed to change a couple of lines. So I was just there with the engineer who was, I think he was really blushing in the thing. Because I thought, you know,

and then I thought I might get a laugh out of Tony. But you sort of like, didn't even kind of notice. And I was like, whatever. But anyway, it was quite funny. Do you have fun in the booth? I do.

It's kind of, but for me, well, when you're, when the band is in the room, it's great. Sometimes it's the loneliest place to be, to be, you know, sort of tracking with a whole band, and then you go in and then you do the lyrics afterwards. I quite like, I mean, and I probably perform better in the studio when the band is in the room. Okay. I mean, although I can, I can do it on my own. I mean, it's, you know, I's weird. But I think the thing is sometimes.

Sometimes I can put the band off because I think in harmony. So, you know, I'll, I think, okay, this is the first line. And then I'll sort of jump into a sort of third harmony for the second. And everybody thinks I've switched tracks or, I mean, so now I'm much, much better at keeping on the kind of just lead vocal. Yeah. Not trying to skip around too much, not doing octaves up, down or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you per, have you ever been, like, have you ever released a song that you're like,

maybe like a little while later, you're like, oh, I wish I did this. Or did you just let it go? Pretty much. I mean, there are a couple. There's one song on my first album that's in the wrong key, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. Sounds better in the original key that I wrote it in.

Interesting. And that I'll probably re-record that in its original key. It's only half a step up, but it makes all the difference. Gosh, I mean, I dabble in, and I say dabble as a dilettante in music, which I have no business singing, but I love it. Absolutely. Everybody's got business singing, to be honest. You know, and with technology, it's like, but anyways, I, I, but we're talking about, like, where did these ideas come from? And I had, like, my flash of genius was black diarrhea. And if you think, if you just think about, don't think about the subject matter.

No, I know. Just the way that it sounds. It's the, da, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it. But that's how I always do it. It's also, it's consonants, it's vowels. Yeah, it's the way it sounds. Exactly.

So you need to have a hard, you know, you need to. It's sort of like, sometimes, I'm always, unless I've written it all in one go, then sometimes that does happen, evening and spaces. I wrote that in one sitting kind of like, and it's 54 chord changes. I mean, poor guitar players that have to follow me on that one. It modulates every one and a half bars. Jesus. I mean, it always comes, but, yeah, I think so.

I mean, you know, rock music is sort of at this point, sort of four chords. They say three chords in the truth. But this is like 54. it's easier for a string section to do that because your voice is like a violin essentially. It's that sort of... Oh, yeah. Yeah, the chords. So, you know, you can bend the voice

through different keys, but if you're trying to do it on a piano or on a guitar, you're putting out chord charts and it's like... I've been told many times I'm very good at doing things between keys, so it's, you know, I don't know, it's normally a D minor or an E flat major

which is the relative, whatever, but anyway, I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way. So, yeah. So, and also I go into those kind of Arabic-y things. What does that mean? Well, they're sort of, you know, the Eastern European kind of scales. What does that mean? I should know.

Oh, my God. Well, no, if you think about, hmm, I do sort of it's, oh. I'd have to map it out for you. Okay. I can think of it. It's a good example. You know, the song, the Beatles song called Girl. when it goes into a bazuki

it's difficult to so Russian music for example has a different it's got sort of like a it's just it's a different not different notation but it's not different notation but it's

you know the octaves is sort of slightly more what I said gosh I've lost my words I mean I don't know I don't have the musical vocabulary

a lot of that even many many even pops has a lot of like it's a lot of folk influence a lot of even like accordion stuff you know yeah yeah yeah yeah obsessed with Russian poppy. Gosh, I wish I was being more articulate today. Are you kidding me? I have

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I don't even know where to start with the music videos. I don't even know where to start. I... Oh, I guess I was to start with Heaven. and so when did your when did your collaboration with david la chapel because he's done many of your how many of videos he's done seven Jesus Christ they're so like they're so perfect and I'm I'm looking at the the current pop stars in america and like my favorite pop stars in russia and and you know going back to like whatever 60s 70s 80s 80s nobody's doing it like you

it's like it's so it's so fear It's like the, we watched, I made the girls watch, um, heaven and time. And, um, so do you enjoy doing music videos? Yeah, I love doing music videos. You do. I do. I love doing music videos. But, um, yeah, I mean, I really enjoy doing music.

They are for, sometimes they go on for days and nights and days. I was going to ask because a lot of, a lot of people I know who do, they love the product, but it's always just a means to an end. You do. I'm a process person. In fact, I don't really like releasing things. I mean, I'm doing it very quickly this time because actually the whole kind of talking up a thing or whatever,

I go into a terrible grief process after doing it because I get so into it. It's like the post-show blues. Yeah, yeah. I mean, every three. I like making stuff up, seeing where it lands. I mean, it is apparent because like we do watch something like at time or even having, especially having,

every shot and every introduction of a new look and a new, like, tableau is so, like, divine. It's kind of impossible to think that you're not having the blast, you know? It's just so like, there's like an ecstasy in it, you know? It's really fun. I was like, what if she says I fucking hate it? No, no, no, no, no. But also David's kind of like my brother, so I mean.

What is he like? Oh, he's so great. He's so funny. He shot the, he shot, I think, the promo for Trixie's season of All Stars. Yeah. And it was so we had, I was very jealous because our season sucked. We had no promo. It was, it was shit.

And then the next season, they have David fucking Laschapel. No way. And it was, uh, Trixie said it was like amazing and it truly was amazing. But yeah. He's so funny. Is, yeah, how does that, what does it look like on a set? What's, what's the vibe? Oh my God, chaos.

Yeah. But it organized chaos. Okay. Yeah. Does it. I mean, I've been. Gosh, I mean, we've, this sort of, gosh, we've shot for days and weeks and a month. And sometimes, sometimes things feel like one long shoot.

Fuck, because, I mean, a lot of times. I mean, he's sort of, I mean, essentially, I mean, he'll just, if he says jump, I just say, how, how, whatever. I just know it's going to be all right. And I thought, okay, well, you know, if something goes terribly wrong, at least I'll look good doing it. Yeah. I mean, that's like, that's, like, that's, things to be kind of like dead on a set, kind of like, looking really sort of glamorous. Yeah, I mean, it's, I'm thinking about like, I'm thinking about the evolution of aesthetics

and certain trends in, in pop culture and like how, you know, sometimes it go, there's like, the pendulum swings, like, towards like a super, super advanced technology and then kind of retro. And what is the video you have that it's, it's a VHS vibe? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that song? That is, that was the beginning of deviant disco. Okay, because that, I was like. I was like, I was looking through your catalog and I was like, I wonder if she's done like a VHS thing. And sure enough. And it's so, it's so fucking like it has the contemporary like kind of knowledge of all different types of aesthetics. And like treating that retro one like with such precision. It's so good.

Oh, thank you. I'm sorry. I'm like licking your ass. No, no. No, it's really nice to get feedback. Because I have no idea. I kind of create in a in a kind of bubble. how long so you most of the music videos that these horrors do um like they take they do two days maybe and sometimes they do overnight which is nuts right i loved it i used to love doing that how long what's the longest shoot you've been on four days

without sleep fuck yeah that was evening in space that was really fun god that is we watched that at my friend Franz's house and um what's your favorite if you have they're all I love them all for different reasons If you had to...

A hip-nex wine took three days. Three days, okay. But it's nice to have some time. And also, I think you hit a kind of sweet spot on the second day going into the third. Yeah. You know, the first day is always a bit everybody sort of like getting themselves together. Yeah. I mean, it's really nice to be able to have three days shoot.

Do you work with different crews or... I don't know. I've worked... It's lots of people from, especially on the David sets, I've worked again and again with, just because, you know, they're his crew. Yeah. And then also, obviously, with Nick Knight. Oh, right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, he's the show studio. Yeah. Right. And I want to, getting into these looks, getting in and out of these looks. Pretty simple, actually. Hair and makeup. Come on.

I mean, the clothes, I'm really fast. Really? I can change them about two seconds. As long as the hair and makeup's done, I'm good. Damn. I'm, like, struggling. I'm at the back trying to pull up the zipper

that I sewed on myself and it's really annoying when you have to sort of like do that and that's what's nice having someone when you've got other people on set to help you to do that

Have you ever gone home in a gown that you had to like cut yourself out of? Yeah. Yeah. And I've got to add stuff that's you know

ripped on me and fallen off and whatever. It's tragic. Tragic. That's why the one thing You know things just go Yeah. The yoga.

It collapsed. Yoga is good for that. It's the this kind of Yeah, exactly. That and then this. That's the only thing that yoga's good for. Yeah, my God, it's so good. Yeah.

What is, um... Oh my God, trying to get in and out of catsuits in lavatories and sort of, oh my God, especially when you're loaded up with chains and how on the earth am I going to... Yeah, a lot of that shit looks really heavy. It is quite. Yeah. And these are like your signature shoes. I want to talk about having a signature look in a, uh,

in a world where, oh, this is part of my intro. In a world of imitators, she's never replicated, something like that. You know what I mean? So how do you like, how do you choose and stick with a signature look? That's sort of kind of what I'm feeling comfortable. It's just whatever. Yeah, it's just whatever. And actually, I kind of get really boring.

I start wearing the same thing every single day. But like a uniform. Yeah, like a uniform. I love the uniforms. Especially when you're recording or something. It just don't want to have to spend too much time. What's one thing that you would never wear even with a gun to your head? I have something beige.

Like a juicy couture beige sweatpants? Oh, anything kind of brown. I'm not really good with brown. It has to be a very, very, sort of, it has to be a very crisp burnt umber. Okay. You know, combined with a Prussian blue. You know what I mean? I'm not good on this sort of autumnal.

Oh, you're not a pumpkin spice latte girl No, no, no, no I was thinking to myself like The irony if she showed up today In like Keds A pair of like trousers and like Oh my God It would be so fucking funny

Oh my God Actually, yeah, it's funny For some of I was trying to thought They might make a sort of funny video And I was like, nope I just couldn't I just would have a serious reaction You know literally like hives

I have serious reactions to sort of like some tones of music, some, some color palettes. Oh, like, okay, so beige. Bage. But I mean, yeah, beige, yeah. What about in terms of, like, decor in the home, in your surroundings? Like, do you, like, bold colors? Do you, like, stark? Black and white and red and a lot of shiny surfaces, chrome.

Yeah. And white and red, yeah. Yeah. And chrome. And I like duck egg blue and silk. silvery, you know, Swedish 18th century kind of yellows. Oh,

hell yeah. I just painted, I live in this, it's a hellhole, but I, I have having to paint these rooms and I'm like looking around and every apartment

or every house that is trying to get sold in America is gray, beige, soft beige, light gray, like egg show soft egg shell like grayish and it's like in all the furniture

is that color too and it's either all white I'm like I quite like all white you do yeah I admit but I like using it well not if I wish I had

a really big place to do but white wash white wash because then you can add other colors to it oh sure but also it looks really good white wash

like lime wash what does that mean you know like in In Mediterranean, when you see the houses, white from the air, so I like using that on the inside. Oh, yeah, that's gorgeous. If you use that on the inside, you can. Okay, yeah, that's, yeah, it just gives it, the walls are kind of,

I don't know, it just looks so good. I did, I, I, I, I, we painted the walls because they were fucking totally rotted a, like a semi-gloss white and that was cunt. But each room is either like, like, golden rod, like yellow. It's so fucking bright. And it's like, I. couldn't believe how it changes your mood yeah

like instantly like it's like fucking Prozac it's actually like way stronger than Prozac it's like energizing and super it has a really like strong effect and then I did absolute like scar like this color red mat in my studio in the ceilings and everything and it's like it's very aggressive but it's also it's like motivating

and a little confrontational but it but it's nice and then I did blue like I just went super super bold in every room and I'm so glad I did it but I'm never going to be able to sell this place oh my goodness because nobody's going to want to live there

yeah but people repaint I mean they just say yeah what's your least favorite color if you have one such a stupid question sorry what's your favorite color I know I mean I suppose

I love green for plants but I don't wear green okay I don't know I mean, it's, but I love, I mean, it depends. I sort of think in sets of watercolors in a funny way. So it's not, I mean, it's not about, it's about, it's about, I think it's about tones of colors. Sure.

So, you know, like red can be horrible. It can be. In a red, or, I think, what's my least favorite color? Synthetic color. Ah, okay. I like old colors. Old colors. When I did, when I was at art school, I would steal from my, the art store that I worked at,

the really, really expensive oil paints, you know, because they have those, like, such a different quality to the pigments. And it's like, you get these shitty $2, $2 acrylic tubes or these like $80 senile like oil tubes, you're like, holy fuck. It's such a difference. It's like black and white. Yeah, yeah. It's wild.

I think it's the problem, there's not very much nuanced with colors anymore. No, people are afraid of it. On nuanced world, which is kind of unmysterious to me. Yeah, I think people are really, they, they, it seems like because people have access to everything now sort of visually via like Pinterest and you can, if you want to know what Chris Jenner's bedroom looks like, we can look at it right now. No way. You know what I mean? Like online. You know what I mean?

Just like, look at Chris Jenner's bedroom. They're, I'm sure we'll get it. That's so funny. And you're, so like there's a lot of just like dog piling on trends and they all seem to just kind of get watered down. And it's like, it's kind of shitty. It's kind of depressing It'll come back I don't know

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you get your podcast. You can listen and subscribe for free. For free, honey. Do you, so you're in L.A., but you travel a lot. What is your least favorite city to visit and why? Oh, I don't know. I can't believe you never been to Manchester. I've never been to Manchester.

I haven't really, it's funny, my travels have been sort of peripatetic, but in a very strange way. I don't know. I don't have a least favorite city. Maybe London. Yeah. I was going to say it. Yeah. London I don't like. It's tough. It's tough. And also it's built on clay. So you feel really kind of exhausted all the time. It's basically a swamp. Yeah. It's swampy. Yeah. And also for me, it's got bad memories. You know. Yeah. I have, me too. Yeah. There's, I've been to London more times than I care to go. Yeah. No offence to all the British fans. I mean, I feel so happy when I, you know, cross the channel and get to Paris. It improves my mood no end.

Yeah. I mean, I... But London is just full of ghost. Oh, yeah. For me. Yeah, for me, it's just full of bad breakfast. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. What do you eat for breakfast? I have... It depends. Sometimes I have porridge. Okay. Sometimes I kind of eat.

I start eating kind of about midday. Okay. Do you ever have still? keith oatmeal? Do you ever have a steel kite oatmeal? Yeah, you love that. It's the best. It's the best.

Yeah. What about, what's up with the black pudding and the fucking beans? That is so nasty. I've never eaten that. It's diabolical. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. It's diabolical. When I grew up in Inuitville and I still love it, I like, I liked canned food because

there's no way that I was going to eat anything. It was like, it was like black pudding or something disgusting. It's like, I feel like it's the diet of an evil sailor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's terrifying. to have baked beans on toast, to be quite honest. What's your favorite cuisine? If you had to, like, say you had to just eat only one cuisine for the rest of your life.

Japanese. What's the go-to order? What kind of sushi? Yes, sort of like salmon, sashimi, and some sort of, like, udon noodles. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We just went to Hawaii and had the, there was an udon place across the street that there was a lined on the block. like at all hours of the day.

It was so chaotic in there is amazing. Oh my gosh. It was really good. Current designers who are doing or working now, who are you, who are you vibing with? Hyderachman. Oh, okay.

He's wonderful. And it's... He's at Tom Fortner. Okay. How these, so they, God, these, they bop around quite frequently. It's wild.

The, I, is it, was it Scaparelli? It was a Dan, Daniel Roseberry That looks pretty cool actually I think that shit is amazing Yeah me too I haven't I haven't seen it up close for a while

I mean I've I've never been to a fashion show I've I imagine Oh my girl we have to go to one But you have to cradle me like a baby Because I They seem so stressful and so like They aren't quite stressful

And also like Where are you sitting and like oh god I have nightmares and stress streams About getting invited and like going to the front row And somebody in my seat And then I just have to leave Yeah yeah I always feel like I probably don't belong there.

I don't think anybody does. What has been your favorite show that you've attended? Well, you know, I think, well, all the McQueen shows. They're all just brilliant. Like, what the fuck? They're all just, you know. The collection where I forget was with the big glass enclosure in the middle. Oh, my God, that was so much fun.

But it's like a Robert Wilson theatrical experience. It's not just like a, we're walking down the run. way and we're showing all the garments. There's always a, there's always a twist. Yeah, the like the intense theatricality is like, I, I miss that so much about, because I don't know if I see. I mean, John is still doing that. Galliano?

Yeah. I think he's wonderful. Oh, my God. The fucking Dior, when he was, what was, I don't know, was that was, early 90s and 2000s, and beyond. Like, you're like, this is when they're, it. It was a, the set was like almost like a Japanese garden kind of thing with like all these different levels. And I thought I was thinking, this is like the full, this is like the human brain operating at full tilt creativity.

Yeah, yeah. It's so colorful, so outrageous. He's beyond brilliant. So fucking cool. So cool. I also, I love, um, uh, who the fuck is. it. Um, oh my God. It's, uh, da, da, da, da, da, da, uh, uh, uh, yeah, uh, not Lagerfeld. No, no, is, I was going to ask you about Lagerfeld later. Um, oh, my God,

who is killing me? Um, oh, Iris Van Herpin. Oh, he, she's so nice. Is, um, he's one of my great friends. She, what is she like? Oh, really, really lovely. Really? Yep. Oh, that's good to and her boyfriend, Salvador. We've spent a lot of time together because I knew her before she was really kind of became like so you know we kind of met up i can't remember probably 2007 or something yeah she's she's amazing i mean it's just so cool very very humble and really she just loves what she does you know oh thank god it this i mean the it's like so cool like you know talking about like originals it's it's so cool to like when you see something it's like i've never seen that before yeah you know she did a whole collection underwater but

which was really cool with musical instruments. That was quite, you should look it up on you. Oh, damn, I haven't seen that. Oh, my God, that was something else. Yeah, I. People playing instruments underwater in the clothes. Shut the fuck up. Really, really cool.

I mean, those things, those fashion shows must have cost a fortune. Yeah. You know. I mean, that's a problem for so many designers. I mean, so I do scholarships at Central St. Martin's for the last, 15 years and trying to kind of, you know, when you're seeing all this kind of raw talent and like, how is it going to translate into whatever? Because it does cost money and to have a, to be in that world. I mean, you do have to, I think, have a bit of a business brain. Definitely

more than me. Yeah. I know. That's, I mean, a lot of times, like, in the Victoria Beckham was talking about, she was like, she didn't have that business grade. She didn't go to business school. And she's like going through the budget and she's like $85,000 a year on plants in the office. Wow. It's like, okay. It's insane. But like, but it does, it must be, I mean, it's like in a capitalist consumer kind of world where like the dollar is the king. I mean, creativity suffers.

It must. Yeah, it does. And, you know, not enough, sort of not enough art is kind of, I don't know, governments don't seem to get behind art programs. I can't imagine. Oh, dear. It's terrible. I know. I can't imagine.

imagine not being the first thing to go. I know and it's so crazy and then people don't wonder why. We need more of it. We need more Satan 2 nuclear warheads. I know exactly. Do you realize that there are about, I could be wrong about the numbers, but there are maybe four or five

submarines in the U.S. arsenal, underwater somewhere around the world that contain 20 to 40 nuclear warheads that could be launched from underwater and could reach anywhere on earth.

So crazy, isn't it? And each of them costs about $10 million. That's so crazy. But we can't go to, like, I can't go to fashion school. No, exactly. It's fucking nuts. It is nuts. It is so twisted.

And a culture is defined by its art. I mean, you know. Yeah, not by its seat in two warheads. No, exactly. You can't even see them. I mean, if you want to leave anything behind, I mean, it's like, what, the future archaeologists of digging up this period. I wonder what they're going to think.

Well, see, but if they get to you, then we're in good, we're in good luck. Because it's like, do you, I mean, in terms of like the preservation and the, you know, because you, Isabella Blow had quite a collection of stuff. And then when she passed away, you. I bought it because their sisters were unable to, what was so sort of tragic about the whole thing was that she, one of her sort of paranoias where she was going broke all the time. And she, when she died, her estate had, you know, death duties. Oh, right.

And her sisters at that time, for goodness, and they were going to sell it at Christie's. Oh, yeah. And I just thought, ah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Also, I just thought it was just so ghoulish, the whole idea of her sort of effects. And I just, I just felt that it was, it was kind of, well, just terrible. So I kind of, I stepped in, I sort of convinced her sister to sell to me. I did the death deities, whatever.

And then I was like, what do I do with all of this stuff? Because I couldn't wear it, you know what I mean? She was like, going, well, you'll be able to wear the stuff. I mean, I can kind of put them on now, but still, they feel like Isabella's clothes, for sure. So I did a show at FIT, I think it was in 2010 or 11. Yeah, I think so. I can't remember. And I remember just before that show, because I was,

Like everything I do, that took two years to sort of put together with lovely Valerie Steele. Just as I was standing in this kind of, in the sort of fully kind of, just before they cut, they were pulling up the plastic and I just did a kind of prayer to the universe. I thought, I mean, first of all, I was terrified about anybody seeing this thing. You know, it's a lot of pressure. The Queen had just died. It was, you know, he just had been the big savage beauty show. up at the Met, which I had to kind of manage that at the same time.

So, yeah, how did it is, I mean, it was really, it was, so I kind of made, did this prior and I thought, if this works out, then somehow I got the funds together. So I sold like 100 pieces of my collection in order to raise funds to create a foundation to be able to put on her, her show at Somerset House. Wow. But it took me walking into Louise Wilson's office at Central St. Martin's and, you know, this crazy idea. And we became very good friends. I mean, Louise was quite a force of nature, so we say. And I wouldn't be her, you know, initial go-to person. I didn't know. It was like a

just cold call. Hello. Hello. And what do you think? But she was so supportive and so nice and the sort of the foundation start was kind of borne out of that. Because I, well, I've been what I was trying to, what I'm trying to do, I know it probably doesn't even make a difference, but I'm trying to solve the karmic kind of jigsaw puzzle of, of trying to, trying to kind of create something where all this loss happened. Okay. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me.

But it's been a huge kind of, it's been a massive undertaking. And I would have done more. But I mean, frankly, you know, these things cost a lot of money. I have no idea how to get sponsorship.

I have no idea how to do very much, apart from writer's song. I don't know how to get my mail. I know. I don't even know how to type. you have no idea how what is it how seen i feel right now oh good i don't know how to type yeah i've written a book oh my god two of them actually um and i am a hunt and pecker me too i write in long hand me too if you want cur you want a cursive on parchment come yeah

yeah i can do russian script beautifully on a nobody wants that no and nobody is um like sort of manuscripts and sort of the middle ages yeah that's i wish i would i would be much more comfortable with like a yeah one of those italian glass blown um yeah exactly so but i'm i'm um no just if you're ever bored which i doubt you are um there's the thing called um typing club yeah oh my god no once i tried with one of those what was that what was it called it's extremely humbling i bet it's very humbling at 43 years old oh my god i feel like i feel like a child. I already assume I don't know anything else.

I mean, but it's like I, now I look at people. Can you do it a little bit better now? No. I've been practicing about an average of 25 minutes a day, sometimes two hours, sometimes I miss a whole week. But like I, no. It's called typing club. Typing club and it's free.

I'm going to have a look. And it's fabulous. You literally go through, you know, you get the placement. And then the goal is you never look at the keyboard. That's what I love to do. It's hard on a, on a lap. top with very um shallow keys right so if you get one of those if you get a keyboard that has a clack clack yeah yeah like like a type writer kind of yeah that's preferable but it's so it's so

difficult and so now i just avoid the computer if i can't or do like voice to text my children laugh at me because i can't type i mean i could type a novel with my thumbs in about two seconds right because of this but like anyways um that's so good yeah i um the savage beauty i was able to see that at cement it was kind of a it was very surreal because even though i've loved fashion i've loved art i went to art school i've loved drag and everything seeing the the garments like there physically was like kind of cemented the a notion that had been a little bit frivolous that that fashion was art you know that i mean these are like just liveable wearable pieces of art yeah yeah yeah um and it was so like it was so moving it was

It was so dramatic. It was so good. Yeah. And I'm just thinking of like, what a tragedy to lose these things. And also like, not to get too, like, you know, heavy, but like, you know, when conflicts and wars happen and they're bombing like historical sites and then they're gone. And they've ever. It's so crazy. It's so fucked up.

And what's being built in its place as well. Oh, God. Yeah, don't get me going. 90s, 1960s, 1970s, architecture in Los Angeles. Not exactly the golden age. Exactly. Oh, I love the 20s. Exactly.

That's it. That's it. Art deco. If you can get an apartment that was built in the 20s in L.A. It's I lived in the ugliest building that was ever made around 1972 and across the street. It can be quite nice. I like quite like the federal building. That sort of that kind of, maybe that's 60s.

Yes. It's brilliant. Yeah. this isn't brutalist this is like ugliest right okay okay it's just like they literally at every every turn at every choice of material and design they said not ugly enough and then it's also not cheap enough so right right right right but across the street was the villa desti which was a Spanish revival villa with a pond in the front and it was like you got to look at it got to look at it and then when I went psycho I actually

fell in the pond. Oh, no. It was great. But it was just so, it was such a great, if you ever go to Laurel Avenue in West Hollywood, right across the street, it's like night and day. It's so interesting. Oh, my gosh. And that's the one thing about London or Europe or anywhere.

They're pulling everything down in London. Are they really? Yeah, all these property developers, they just redevelop stuff and no one seems to say anything. Yeah, I guess it's, whole blocks of things just going missing. But like you go to Ghent, Belgium? If I try to get, if I try to get any planning permission, it's always a no. Really? Yeah, I don't know why.

You can't get anything done. Red tape. Yeah, red tape. If you go to a Ghent, Belgium, McDonald's, it's in the most ornate Rococo, like, you know, or Gothic art, you know, cathedral. Oh, my God. It's so wild.

It's like, we are really starved for visual beauty in Los Angeles, unfortunately. Oh, my gosh. In terms of American cities, do you prefer New York? I like both, but I prefer L.A. in a way because of it because the weather, even though it's been raining a bit this week. Yeah. And I like being eight hours kind of

far away from Europe. Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm... Yeah. Actually, I prefer to be in Japan. That's really far away. I've never been there. I'm dying to go. Oh, it's so great. I'm really dying to go back. Is it true that you can just sleep on the ground and nobody will rob you? That is incredible. Yeah.

I think there are only 30,000 guns in the whole... There are only a few thousand guns in the whole of Japan. You know, you'd think that other civilism, other societies, like Americans, would take a look at that. Yeah. And be like, huh, they seem to have something going on there. All their children don't get shot in school every day. You know, it's also an island. So it's more.

But so were we kind of. Yeah, that's true. We're just a huge island. Yeah. I mean, we got, you know, steel spiked fences on your side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Japan. And what about European countries to visit? France, Spain.

I grew up a lot in Spain, Greece. Up in the north in a place called Calais, which is sort of just about, you can see France from the mountain I grew up on. But it's really beautiful. It's, I mean, the Mediterranean side. Like, for a lot of Americans don't have a passport,

a lot of American people don't have the opportunity to travel. I'm very grateful because of work we get to go places, but it is, that is, that is, really heartbreaking if not being able to just step foot in some of these other places. Yeah, in Italy. So beautiful. And I haven't been nearly enough to Italy. We went to the Amalfi Coast. Oh my God. We went into the postcards. You know what I mean? Like we were like the postcards, we were there. Oh my God. Through the, um, that thing on the blue, um, oh. I've never been. It is. I mean, I've seen it from

a thought, but when I got it, I got there very late at night in the morning when I woke up for my balcony. I was like, it took me like five minutes to realize it wasn't a sound stage or like a, like it was real. Yeah. It was, I was like, holy shit. It was the most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life. It was incredible. Oh my goodness. You got to go. It's very touristy. Oh my goodness. But it's, it's so beautiful. It's like, ugh. What about, um, have you been in Russia? I've been twice to St. Petersburg. Oh. Yeah. It's once in 91. Oh God, it was a turbulent time. And then maybe three times.

But it was beautiful. Did you like it? Yeah, I did. I've never been to Moscow. Yeah, I'm dying to go. I just wait for, you know, who to get, you know what. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, and I've been to some ex-Soviet states like Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.

But that was in the early 2000s, too. Oh, but that's not. There's a musical genre that I'm kind of flirting with now. it's um i think it's in listening to this band who sings in boshk here in its throat singing yeah yeah yeah that and there's also central asian version of it yeah yeah yeah i mean i was like this i'll share with you later it's amazing to me it is the sexiest thing i have ever heard my life and it's this is going to sound like bad but it the way that this guy's voice and there's the vibration and the the the the the the the tone

And it's like, so hot. Yeah, my gosh. I've got to find a throat singer husband. Yeah, you do, absolutely. It's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah, it's so cool. There are so many amazing, sort of, there are so many amazing things in the world.

Yeah, I just, I got to, Central Asia is a whole, I mean, I watch, every day I watch a documentary about fucking, you know, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan or whatever is a hell stand. And it's like, oh gosh. It's amazing. And you never, you didn't realize until you're sort of like in the middle of no. were on a horse, how far everything is from everywhere else. Yeah. Yeah, it's just literally another planet. Yeah, it really is.

And then when you're in the high kind of mountains. And all these languages that sometimes have no relationship to any other, they're like language, family, like they trace them back and there's no relation to any other language. It's so fascinating. It's so fascinating. And also what's so funny in some of those, when I was there, you'd have kind of, you know, you'd see up in the high mountains, sort of collective farms that had been.

kind of abandoned, but also statues of Lenin and then in the, you know, really, and then you'd sort of see people that had obviously been brought from kind of Eastern Europe or kind of near Finland, and they were sort of look very out of places, tall sort of blonde people, kind of within the population. It's really, I guess, you know, they placed people all over. Yeah. Such a big country. It's got, I think it's got nine time zones.

At one point, Soviet Union had 11. 11. At one point I don't think now, the Russian Federation I think it's maybe nine now but I think it is 11 still That is fucking crazy

It is crazy We got three Yeah But it's three And I think our country is huge And I think There's one funny thing Is this

I think China's got one time zone That's crazy That is crazy Because that really is huge But I think they standardised it throughout I'd have to look it up But I think

It probably made the time zones Yeah I wonder how they kind of How'd they finagle that Yeah yeah yeah Yeah, that's another place. I went out Hong Kong that my jaw dropped. Hong Kong was truly breathtaking. It's like New York City jammed into a tropical island. It's like so crazy. So beautiful. That's so amazing. Wait, so we have to wrap up soon, but I have a few rapid-fire questions. If you could acquire fluency in a foreign language by chopping off one of your fingers and you can go up to 10 because you have 10 fingers. Would you and if so, which finger in which language would it be? I would chop off my little finger to speak Japanese again.

Okay. Okay. Any more? No. Okay. I like my rings too much. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think I'd probably only have like pointers left. Yeah. I'd love to be able to speak. I mean, I can speak a few languages, but... What do you speak? I speak French. I speak. I can understand Spanish.

It takes me about two or three weeks to get back into it. I can understand Italian. German Damn A bit of Catalan And that is a distinctly different language than Spanish Right It's not a dialect

It is a different language It's kind of more related to some middle French It's a romance language Right Damn I have a But I don't speak it But if I'm there I can Because you can manage

Yeah Yeah Okay wait hold on one second I asked my friend The guy who introduced Me to you I asked him if you had a question for you and he did oh my goodness um let's see uh I believe I believe yesterday was

Isabella Blow's birthday um does Daphne have a favorite piece from the collection I'd say the the Jack the Ripper um it's uh it's a it's a jacket which is beautiful what does it what does it describe it it's uh we'll put it up on the pod for the people yeah um it's difficult to describe it's um it's got two long tails and it's kind of got a sort of wired back and it's and also he sewed her her hair into into a little plastic oh i mean it's they're kind of amazing that's incredible damn um i i got a i remember i got it i purchased an alexander McQueen dress it was a design by Sarah Burton I think but it was just a knit dress and it was such an outrageous I mean for me I was like I was like I'm going to spend so much money on this fucking

stretch dress and I'm just going to wear the shit out of it and I just like and did it did it last yeah yeah I love it oh my god that's so good yeah I look I just like open the closet and I just look at it sometimes it's like well I know what you mean I kind of just like looking at my things not wearing them because I don't want them to because you can't get anything nearly as nice these days. No, everything shit. Well, I was like, I mean, I think I got this shirt in Chicago. I mean, having to try and kind of source anything good is really difficult.

I mean, it is like, I. I, so, yeah. I mean, I sew, it's one of my hobbies and I, then there is no greater satisfaction than actually constructing a garment and then wearing it. That's true. I mean, it is like, and I, the cool thing about sewing, I think is that you'll never get perfect at it. You'll never be perfect.

There's so many things you'll never learn. Oh. my gosh. Like techniques of like, because like in all these like atteliers, these incredible Italian women are like they so applices onto tool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. It's amazing.

It's amazing. They do that for the rest of their lives. And then one person does, you know, they do the hems on whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so specialized and it's so skilled. Yep. And now it's just like pumping out trash from the fast faction factory. I know.

It's really sad. Yeah. I mean, do you, um, uh, I like slow. fashion. That's the other question is like, don't you think the fashion industry needs to chill? They do need to chill. And then just, spring, summer, resort, ready to wear, coat, couture, like. No, it's ridiculous. Like, why? That's five or six collections a year? Oh, gosh, more. Sometimes, I mean, I think up to sort of 25, 30 collections, because then they got accessories and they've got this. Oh, yeah, the handbags. I think you need to get on the phone and make some phone calls.

And you've got to tell everybody to just chill for a little bit Yeah, I do need to, yeah, I think so It's so, it's too much too fast and it's like Yeah, and it's gone so quickly And yeah, and then it's like the, because of the, you know, the way everything is so globally accessible, it's like, well, I've seen that, I've seen that And it's like the brain wants to move so fast Ayah, aye, aye, aye, aye, madri

What's your favorite movie? Oh my gosh, well, it would probably be either sort of like Sunset Boulevard Okay, or I'm ready, oh, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my fruit cup. I was so fierce. I laughed a hard.

Oh, do you love that? I loved it. I love that shit. Oh, my God. I love it. I love it. Okay, Sinsett Boulevard. Least favorite movie.

Well, that's kind of a shitty question. I don't want to be a hater anymore. I don't want to be a hater. My controversial take is a record room for a dream sucks. Sorry. I've never seen it. Don't. Okay.

Thank you. That's one off my list. I do suggest, I've seen this. the September issue, the documentary, have you seen that? No. I've seen about 10 times. Is it great?

I believe it is. I'm going to see it. It just follows Anna Winter at Vogue doing the September issue around 2000 and early 2000s, I think. 2009. It's a fabulously paced, gripping, wonderful slice of life. How brilliant. Yeah. And it's nothing, it's nothing like splashy or like, you know, it's not, just interesting.

Interesting. And Grace Connington is wonderfully featured She's brilliant She's so brilliant And I chased her down to New York City once And I think I scared the shit out of her But I just like I had to say hi And say I love you and I just ran the other way

My goodness So yeah Okay We have to fucking ends It's been such a pleasure But you have to plug plug plug Oh my goodness So plugged

Oh yes I've got a single out Which came out Which came out last week I think Okay That was made in a day and it's up on YouTube. Yeah, and it's on fucking iTunes and Spotify.

It's on iTunes and Spotify and title and it will be on final record. Oh, hell yeah. Yep. For the oldies? To be or not to be. I know, I was listening to the way here. Etre, when I'm not etre. It's so fierce.

Exactly. Yeah. So if you don't download it, I will unalive myself. Pugh, pew. Pugh. You can find, I implore you to work. watch a Daphne's YouTube channel, all the videos are unbelievably beautiful. And it's rare that like we hawk shit that sucks sometimes. So there's a rare opportunity to like really point

them into the direction of something wonderful. So thank you so much for being here. You are a legend. Thank you. Yay. Thank you.