The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - Joel Kim Booster's Atlantis Cruise Matinée Nightmare (Part 2) with Katya

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

It's the 4th day of your all-gay Atlantis Cruise. You just left the Bahamas and the bed of a sexy Nassau scuba instructor. You're tired. You're hungover. Your stomach is full of rum, waffles, and passionfruit-flavored lube. The hot Caribbean sun is baking your pale-ass to a crisp. Do you know what you need? You need to go directly to your cabin, drink a bottle of Pedialyte, and take a 4-hour nap. But do you listen to me? Of course not. What do you do instead? You attend Joel Kim Booster's twenty-minute stand-up set about being a hot gay man having sex with other hot gay men, and heckle the hell out of him whilst spilling a bottomless mimosa all over your brand-new pink floral swim trunks. To get Mint Mobile's new customer offer and your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to https://MintMobile.com/BALD today! You owe yourself a trip and trips are always better with Airbnb. If you want more space, more privacy, a better location, and the most loved homes, check out https://Airbnb.com or download the Airbnb app! Do you want your leather handbag to last forever? Head to https://MyCuire.com to get your leather care kit today! Follow Joel Kim Booster: @IHateJoelKim Follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel Follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo To watch the podcast on YouTube: http://bit.ly/TrixieKatyaYT Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast If you want to support the show, and get all the episodes ad-free go to: https://thebaldandthebeautiful.supercast.com If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast To check out future Live Podcast Shows, go to: https://trixieandkatyalive.com To order your copy of our book, "Working Girls", go to: workinggirlsbook.com To check out the Trixie Motel in Palm Springs, CA: https://www.trixiemotel.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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like period furniture, amazing art on the walls, and a conversation pit that would make even Don Draper swoon. I booked it immediately and set to packing for my glorious high desert getaway. After a few days of solitude, I invited a few friends and we made excellent use of the multiple bedrooms and bathrooms. A hotel would not have worked for us at all. With Airbnb, you can stay close and hang out in the living room rather than a crowded lobby. And while hotels are filled with strangers, we had the entire house and yard to ourselves, allowing us to enjoy the serenity of true privacy. It was the perfect trip and the perfect way to recover for an absolutely insane tour. If you want more space, more privacy, a better location, and the most loved homes?

Check out airbnb.com or download the Airbnb app. That's A-I-R-B-N-B.com. Take it from the queen of relaxation. You owe yourself a trip, and trips are always better with Airbnb. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you've been in a coma for the past 30 years, you might not know what a website is,

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Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Hi, divas. As you know, Trixie is on break. So I'm solo here on the podcast to tell you that we are bringing you more balled and the beautiful live shows this fall. That's right, we're gonna be in Baltimore, Providence, Columbus, and a whole bunch of other East Coast cities

that I don't have on the script in front of me. But all tickets and info will be at TrixieAndKatiaLive.com. so get your panties in check for the best damn podcast you've ever seen. But so you've never done group sex? I'm still waiting for an invitation. How many people total? At once?

Yeah. Well, there was four? Okay. So like two pairs? That's the best. That is the best number. Two pairs, but they weren't changing. I will say I used to love to, before I was in a relationship,

loved being the special guest star. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yes. So three, three, but my rule is that I am the guest. Yes, you have to. You cannot, you cannot. You have to, I love boxing out the weaker husband the whole time and just like like. Driving a wedge. Yes, yes.

Creating a psycho sexual game. You know? But now, now as a couple, A of all, my boyfriend is six two white and a bottom. I am, you know, five nine Asian first. You are not five nine. Yeah, yeah. Get outta here.

I present his very tall. Yeah, he's tall presenting. But, and so finding a guy that, no one wants to be the bridge tall. How much do you weigh? I weigh 165 probably. 165. Almost exactly the same size.

That's so strange. And it shows. No, I think of myself as like 5'2", 112. And I think of you about like 6'5", 210. I think it's the dysmorphia thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The dysmorphia is huge. But no, it's very difficult to find a guy that,

because neither one of us wants to feel the toll that the guy is paying to get to the one that he wants to hook up with. Like that is not the vibe. That breaks my heart. And it's so hard to find someone that we believe in our hearts wants both of us. We love couple swapping.

We love a wife swap. Okay. You know, we're like, I'll go fuck the bottom and then the top will fuck my boyfriend. And that happens like, that's like, it's a field trip. It's not happening in the same room, is it? It's in the same room. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in the same room. And like, you know, there's some maybe switch off here and there, because my boyfriend is like, you know, vaguely versed, but yeah. What do you make of, I mean, I don't like labels, but I have a hard time with strict, I have a hard time with strict. Okay.

This is a personal thing. So you think everyone should be a little verse. I don't think anybody should do anything. I would prefer. I think for empathy's sake, yes, everyone should at least do it one time to understand or a few times to understand. I am a much better top because I bottom. I don't necessarily think I'm a better bottom

because I top, but I will say that for me, I am very much into, like, when I, my boyfriend has climbed up back there a couple times himself, okay? Because he knows I like it But I know that he doesn't like that's not his like main desire what that's not the way he desires me And for me my versatility is so connected to how someone else desires me like I'm at the club and you start coming dancing And rubbing your dick your ass on my dick. I'm like, okay, I get this

You know like I get how you want me, how this to proceed. If it's the reverse is true, you come up behind me, you start rubbing your dick on my ass. Okay, I gotcha. You know, like understood. And for me, like I don't really like to flip-fuck very much because I like to know that I like to go into it. I'm either big dom top or sub good boy.

And like that, and like there's good boy. And there is a role. And there is a role. Except with my boyfriend. I do, because my boyfriend's sex is so different. It's so loving and it's so passionate. And it's more about connection than it is. For me, the way I always explain to straight people are non-monogamy and how I can have sex

with all these other guys and it doesn't affect my relationship with my boyfriend is that, I'm like, it's 4D porn for me as well. I don't need to know this person's name. It might as well be jerking off. It just happens. You're a life-size flashlight. I don't give a shit.

I don't care. But like- That is actually a great, that's a really good way to look at it from the point of view who's someone who tends towards insane jealousy such as myself. See and that's the thing is we aren't jealous like, it's, I met a straight couple recently

and they were telling me how they met and they were like, they both had partners at the time and they were like, but we didn't cheat, we didn't partners at the time and they were like, but we didn't cheat. We didn't cheat. We just like, you know, we started talking every day and texting every day and we meet up and go see these movies. And then like when they were out of town, we'd like hang out, but we never touched or anything. We never kissed. We never hugged, like nothing. We did not cheat. And I'm listening to this story and I'm like,

I could give a shit who he fucks if he was texting with someone every day and going to see movies with them. I'm sorry, that's cheating to me. That's cheating. That's gonna make me jealous. That is way worse to me than him getting gaped for however many guys he wants to get. It just doesn't, and I will say the bigger thing

that we have struggled with and had to communicate with is not jealousy, it's envy, which is slightly different, which is, oh, you're fucking that guy? I wanted to fuck that guy. You know? Because again, we're very different types and when we're in an environment like, say, Fire Island, it can be very sexually charged and things like that. And we've had to learn a lot of lessons

about checking in and making like that. And we've had to learn a lot of lessons about checking in and making sure that everything is okay and communicating. Because here's the thing, we used to have rules, we don't really have rules anymore because the rules, they don't, it is so day-to-day contextual. There are days where I could be at a party,

bopping around, sucking dick, making out with whoever I want, and he's off in the corner talking and so grateful that people have kept me busy. You know? And then, please, take him, God. And then, there are days, conditions could be the exact same.

Day is the same, everything happened the same, but he needs me to be his boyfriend. And it just requires a lot, a shit ton of communication and checking in the postmortems we have after, the discussions we had before. He needs me to be his boyfriend. And it just requires a lot, a shit ton of communication and checking in the postmortems we have after, the discussions we had before. And like, listen, I don't think monogamy is better than non-monogamy.

I don't think the reverse is true either. What I will say is, I do think that I communicate with my boyfriend way more than a lot of monogamous couples do. Okay. I really do. Because we are forced to, every day practically, to be like, how are you? Is this okay?

And like, you know what I was asked? I was asked a question on Fire Island recently by a guy that I thought was really smart and I'm gonna start implementing it because my theory is, is like, if you are fucking someone who's in an open relationship, not your circus, not your monkeys, not your- What do you mean?

Not your job to know like what their situation is. Oh yeah, you your monkeys. Not your- What do you mean, what do you mean? Not your job to know what their situation is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no involvement in their rules or whatever. It's not your circus, not your monkeys. It's not for you to figure out. But I hooked up with this guy and he stopped me and he's like, you guys are open, right? And I was like, no, I just brought you into my bedroom

in full view of my boyfriend and we're blah, blah, blah. But he was like, no, no, no. No, I'm cheating. I'm was like, I don't know. I'm cheating. I'm in a 90s erotic thriller. Yes, exactly. And I am, they. But he asked me this question I had never been asked before

and he was like, no, I just want to make sure you guys are in a good spot though. This isn't gonna cause a problem, right? And I was like, you know what? That's a really responsible question to ask someone that I have never been asked. I've never asked someone that. And there were times, and that day it was fine,

you know, we were in a great place and he was off doing whatever he was doing. But there were moments last summer where certainly if I were asked that question, it might have given me pause and might have made me say, you know what, no, I actually need to go home. And I think it's a really, even if you're not asked the question, I think it's a really, even if you're not asked

the question, I think it's a really good question. And you have to be responsible and like really, you know, answer the question honestly if you're gonna be asked it or ask yourself it, but it's an important one to have. But it's just- That's interesting. Yeah. Would you say that you have a voracious sexual appetite?

Yes. Really? Oh yeah, both of us do. And I think that's why it works a lot of time and I think that for me, it's just like sex is a hobby and it is, and this is the other thing is like, again, the sex I have with my partner is so, no one knows me better than he does. No one knows him better than I do.

And that kind of sex is so powerful and I crave it and I love it. But sometimes I wanna be a fucking whore. Okay, yep. And it's embarrassing to do that in front of someone who knows you so well. Oh, sure. It's embarrassing to play that part.

Okay. For the first year of our relationship, I went and bottomed in front of him. And it wasn't a him thing, it was a total me thing. Because I was like, oh, if he sees me bottoming, it'll shatter the illusion of me as big dumb top. And he didn't give a shit, he'd love to see it. And we're over that now, we've worked past a lot of issues.

But it is, it just requires a lot of checking in. And the thing is, who knows? It might be forever, it might not, we might decide to close things. We might you know narrow things How long have you been together almost four years and you're getting married. We're getting married. Yeah, you're getting married No, what do you think about gay marriage? I don't think the gay people should be able to marry Um, I think gay people should be able to get married. I don't think we should be having kids. Okay, no. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. And that's it. I'm just kidding. I will love this. No.

What is this? What is this? That's out. That's the title. That's the title. No. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you've been in a coma for the past 30 years,

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haggard drag queen who had just finished a whirlwind tour and was in desperate need of a trip. And as most of you already know, trips are simply better with Airbnb. Late one night after returning home, tired and barely able to keep my eyes open, I opened up the Airbnb app and searched for an escape. A place east of Los Angeles where I could relax, recuperate, and rejuvenate all by myself amidst the peace and tranquility of the California desert. After checking out a few listings, I happened upon the place that dreams are made of. An orange frenzy of mid-century post and beam architecture complete with vintage details like

period furniture, amazing art on the walls, and a conversation pit that would make even Don Draper swoon. I booked it immediately and set to packing for my glorious high desert getaway. The house had a heated pool, a jacuzzi, and even a fire pit for those chilly desert evenings, so I made sure to pack several tight swimsuits and the necessary ingredients for s'mores because what better way to relax than in a jacuzzi with a mouthful of molten marshmallow and chocolate. I set out the next day and when I arrived, the sun was just beginning to dip below the horizon. I typed in the code to the front door and upon entry I was met with the light scent

of balsam fur, a scent that washed over me like a gentle breeze. The house was immaculate and as I literally pranced from room to room, the smile on my face grew larger and larger until I was simply bursting with joy. I unpacked, put on my mustard yellow swimsuit, and proceeded to spend most of the evening in the jacuzzi, listening to a relaxation playlist and letting the quiet consume me in the best possible way. After a few days of solitude, I invited a few friends and we made excellent use of the multiple bedrooms and bathrooms.

A hotel would not have worked for us at all. With Airbnb, you can stay close and hang out in the living room rather than a crowded lobby. And while hotels are filled with strangers, we had the entire house and yard to ourselves, allowing us to enjoy the serenity of true privacy. Plus, we cooked a huge dinner the last night of the stay, chatting in the kitchen and around the table for hours, something we never could have done in a hotel. On the last morning before we packed up and headed back to LA, we had one last soak in the jacuzzi and one more amazing breakfast.

It was the perfect trip and the perfect way to recover for an absolutely insane tour. If you want more space, more privacy, a better location, and the most loved homes, check out airbnb.com or download the Airbnb app. That's a-i-r-b-n-b.com. Take it from the queen of relaxation. You owe yourself a trip and trips are always better with Airbnb. I wasn't interested in marriage. He wasn't super interested in marriage either. I think part of it was that we are, I came into money. I want to throw a party while I'm young enough to enjoy it and I want to stand up in front of, I think the reason I want to flash mob, don't you? Yeah, yeah. Do you want to bust out in a Britney choreo?

I want La Rue. I want, where's Kimbra? Okay, like give me Kimbra. I'm gonna tell you this though, I'm gonna interrupt you right now. If I catch a whiff or a clip or any kind of, any kind of like gossip that there is some kind of choreography happening at your nuptials.

I will find you, I will be carrying an automatic rifle and I will take you down, I will kill you. Here's the thing, I think it is totally fine to choreograph and dance to Stupid Love. Where people go wrong is the impulse to want to share it with the world. There is, you will not see, unless we get closer That's the stupid love. Where people go wrong is the impulse to want to share it with the world. There is, you will not see, unless we get closer

in the next two years. In the next two years. You invite me to your wedding. But I'm sorry, you won't see content from my wedding. You just won't see content from my wedding because I have cannibalized my entire fucking life for my work. There are some things that I would like to keep just for me.

Okay, so that's a really good point actually, because you know, Tracey and I often talk about this, and I think that we're both discovering she a little bit more, because she's so successful, and she's now discovering that there are parts of her life where she really wants to keep private, that it's like, oh God, do we really need to monetize

every single second of our personal life? Because it just, it happens. If you're a stand-up comedian, you're gonna talk about your sex life, you're gonna talk about your partner, we'll talk about this through experiences. But at 37, have you found that it is more important to like, you have to keep things private sometimes?

The thing is, is the illusion that I have mastered is making people think I'm being 100% transparent about every single thing that's going on in my life. And it's about 30%. Okay. And like, and that's the magic trick of standup, I think, especially the kind of standup that I do, is to go out there and be super confessional

and be like, this is happening and this is how I feel and this is my dad's death and this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's not. But the problem with that is, is that when you present yourself as a comedian that is 100% transparent, it does like, I will say, going back to like the six reasons

why people hate me, it's like, those people don't hate me. Those people hate the construction of me. Yeah, the presentation. That they have built up with limited context based off of one standup clip that they saw from seven years ago that I'm embarrassed about. One tweet they saw, one thing they saw, et cetera, et cetera. And it's crazy to walk into this is again, champagne problems. I'm so grateful for my life as I'm sure you are. No it is I'm just kidding. Yeah, very much so but it's this weird feeling where like I walk into a gay function now

And it's weird to know that a good portion of the people in that room hate my fucking guts And they have no idea who I am. Let me fucking tell you why bitch. Let me fucking tell you why gay people cannot take a handsome, successful gay man. It is not something they can understand. It is not something they ever want to deal with. They like drag queens and they like ugly people. Well, you know what? No, they like drag queens and they like go-go boys

because unless they can completely sexualize you or completely de-sexualize you Exactly the only way because this is the perfect story to to explain this phenomena. I went to a gay function I was with my friend in walks a I Was his name, but I will say a D list gay celebrity on my level, you know, like somebody that everybody knows Okay, you know, like somebody that everybody knows. You know what, no. No, I won't say it, I won't say it. I'll tell you later.

Nice guy, okay. I've never had a negative experience with him. He's always been very kind, like he talks to everybody. He's not like exclusionary. He's not one of those people who's only nice to someone he wants to fuck, et cetera, et cetera, like good guy. And my friend goes, oh, that guy's here. And I was like, oh, I was like, well, what's your beef?

What did he do? I was like, why do we hate him? He's always been really nice to me. And my friend literally goes, I don't know why I said that. And then, literally 30 minutes later, they're making out on the dance floor. And this is the disease.

This is the disease that I am diagnosing now, today. The disease is, I hate you until I know you wanna fuck me. That's it. That's it. Shit. That's it. That's it. Okay.

It's like that is the psychosis that so many gay men are experiencing because they assume, I think so many gay men go into encounters with other gay men assuming that they, like projecting so much insecurity onto that other person that they are, that's them being reflected back because that person's super insecure too

about how they're feeling. And it's like nobody is feeling good about themselves. I know, it's like we're all Elizabeth Sparkle. It's crazy. It's crazy. And we want Sue to walk into the room. It's crazy. Yeah, that's interesting.

I mean, it is like such a funny thing. Trixie and I talk about this all the time. It's like the gay men love drag queens, but it is so often, it's such a common, oh god, it's such a weird, insidious, bizarre, but I think you just described it so well. It's like, it is that like, oh, that desirability factor, or like, the fear of rejection, or like, I don't know.

I would like to say too really quickly, the go-go boy and drag Queen dichotomy, that line. I did paraphrase a Guy Branum, not joke, but Guy Branum really pioneered that idea that it really is about. And as gay men, especially I think of a certain generation, I think it's getting better. But specifically in talking about seeing gay men on stage,

when I used to work the Atlantis Cruises, like I have never bombed harder than on Atlantis Cruises. Oh my god, I can smell it. Oh my god, because the- I can feel the bomb dust. The people like my age who are cool, who get my references, who wanna see me do comedy, they're sleeping it off or they're pre-gaming.

Right. I'm getting the Gen X and Baby Boomer Gays who want to see Kathy Griffin. Yeah. Or Joan Rivers or a drag queen. Yes, or Bianca Del Rio. That's it. They do not want to hear a young, hot gay guy talk about his sex life for 20 minutes. They do not want to hear it.

Then the guy who goes after me does Asian accent jokes. Standing ovation. Oh my God. I'm not kidding you. Oh my God. Standing ovation. And it's kidding you, standing ovation. And it's that generation I think specifically, because I do think, a lot of my shows now

are populated by young gay guys and young queer people. And it's changing because I do think we are learning how to relate to people on stage in front of us. But for that generation, it really was just drag queens or go-go boys. Yeah, and also, I mean, I think and I hope, I just, I hope that I live long enough to see this, maybe if it's an illusion, but I think it's happening.

I just, I love whenever I can sense the dissolving of gay. I don't want there to be any more gay. I don't want no more gay, no more straight, no more bisexual, no more pansexual, nothing. You're either like, hmm, or. And it's frustrating, it is frustrating as a comic too, because like, listen, like of course I did like gay people or like this and street people are like bad jokes

when I was in my early career, because there weren't a lot of us. And that was a field of material that was like rife for the taking, you know? I'm so excited now that there are so many people doing that. I don't have to do that as much. But what gets me still is that people still are like, you do a lot of gay jokes. And it's like, well, I talk about my partner and I talk about relationships and I talk about

sex and I talk about all these things and they happen to be involving a man, does that make it a gay joke? No, because I even in the gay jokes, comedy, especially stand-up comedy, I think, but most comedy really only works if you recognize and are surprised by the truth of what the punchline is saying. Yeah. You know, it's the combo of recognition and surprise. Sure. Gets you. Yeah. And if I can do that while talking about like my fucking my boyfriend in Nashville,

Tennessee at Zany's and I get a big laugh from it, then obviously there's a universality there. Right. You know? Yes. And so it's not just a gay joke, it's just a joke. It's a sex joke. It's a sex joke, yeah. And look at fucking Nikki Glaser, she is brilliant

and she gets away with it and she, like nobody says boo. But I am like, seen as this big, like, I will say, no one hates me more than gay Asian men. Damn. Like bar none. No one hated my movie more vitriol from gay Asian men than anything. Which I get because I completely understand

because when the media tells you this is for you, this is representing all of you, here's your drink it. Yeah, here's your thing for you, this is representing all of you. Here's your drink it. Yeah, here's your thing. And then you don't see yourself reflected in it. I can, cause I never said that about the movie. I was always like, this is my story.

This is a very personal story about me and Bowen's friendship that I decided to write about. And if you happen to see yourself in it, then fuck yeah. But like I get why the way the media presented it, it's like, this is representation for every gay Asian person who's ever lived. And it's like, you're gay and Asian, get your fucking ass to the theater.

Get in line. Yeah, and if you stayed home, kill yourself. And if you didn't like it, fuck you. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's like, I get it, and I get it. And it's not the creator's fault, it's the media's fault in the way they frame it. And I always tell people who don't like my movie,

I'm always like, then find the creators that you do, support the shit out of them. Yeah, go watch The Terrifier 3. And then go fucking make it yourself. Yeah, there you go, yeah. Get off your ass and do it yourself. Make it TikTok, it's real easy now. Yeah.

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On your knees, yeah. It's the best thing I've ever seen in my life. Best thing I've ever seen in my life. The way her mind works, go watch it on Netflix. Unfortunately, if you have a chance. Is it on Netflix? Yeah. Oh, get out of here.

If you have a chance to see it live, go and see it live. Also, have you seen cinnamon in the wind? No caper land special directed by Bo Burnham. It's on no, okay You will fucking love if you like let I'll get on your knees. You will love it. Those two are just Genius genius genius favorite movie favorite movie I mean right now but like the answer that I always give the answer that I always give is My Best Friend's Wedding. Okay, favorite song currently? Favorite song currently is, I like Alaska by Maggie Rogers.

Is that bad? It's the song I wake up to every morning. Oh, that's nice. What genre is that? She's like, um crunchy white girl guitar Oberlin, okay, you know like she went to nyu there you might have seen like there was a famous like viral clip of Pharrell visiting her like music production class and she plays him the song for the first time and he's like, oh shit You're a genius.

And she's, yeah, she's fantastic. If you could acquire a fluency in any foreign language by chopping off a finger. I love this question. I really do too. Would you do it? When would you do it? Yeah, I absolutely would do it. I would do, I think,

I think I would do both of the, both of the, The ring fingers? The ring fingers. And I would do Spanish, and I would do, you know, it's crazy. Unfortunately, I think I would do Mandarin. That's exactly what I would do.

I have so much trauma coming back from Korea and not being able to speak the language, and I know that people would expect me to say Korean, and I would love to be able to speak my native tongue, but in terms of functionality. I think I'm absolutely on board with you. I would do, I would do, I was going to say pointer fingers, but I think you're right. I mean, I don't even, I don't know. I mean, the thumbs, the last thing I engaged in. Oh, who cares? You know, like you're a necklace. No, no, no. Yeah. It's again, like, no, yeah, it's again. Yeah, just the two.

Just the two, yeah. Okay, and then if you could have, if you could have like a side piece, ongoing relationship with an A-list celebrity, a living or dead, who would it be? Like you could say Cary Grant in his heyday. Riz Ahmed. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Riz Ahmed. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you had to kill an animal by strangling it, which animal would you do? I was really thinking about it. I was really thinking about it. Mine would be Moo Dang.

Moo Dang. That would be hard. I know. I think it would be awfully hard to get around there. And it would be a lot of infamy. Mine would be a chimp for sure. Oh yeah. Because fucking horrible.

Have you seen it? I've... No, I will not watch this chimp crazy bullshit because I have a real fear of chimps because I will never forget, I will, is in my mind firmly, spring break 2009, sitting in a motel room, watching Oprah, interview the woman whose face got ripped off by a chimp. We should not be fucking with these animals, they're too smart, they're too much like us,

leave them alone. Yeah, enough with the primates. It's too scary. And I asked somebody, I was like, I'm really afraid of chimps. Can I, do you think I'd make it through Chimp Crazy? And they were like, no, they've. I can't, that- No, she's too heavily featured.

She's too heavily featured. That I stay, I have like, yeah, no, not a chance. Well, think, where can people find you on the internet? You can find me on, I Hate Joel Kim on Instagram. And I think that's like the only thing that I'm super active on. You don't do TikToks? TikTok, yes, but I actually can't remember. I think I'm Joel Kim Booster on TikTok.

I just started doing that. And then, except I did that. And then the first video that I, the most recent video that I posted, everyone was like, well, he's clearly going through a manic episode. And I'm like. He's obviously unwell. And I was like, I thought I was showing up posted everyone was like, well, he's clearly going through a manic

I'm like, he's obviously I thought I was just mimicking the like editing rhythms of tik tok Um, but it could be a little column a little column b a little column a little column b I was like manic but also the rhythms of tik also lend itself to Mania. And then- Also having a fan base, they really, I mean, they encourages Mania. Yeah, oh absolutely.

Yeah, and then I'm on Substack too at, at JKB. I just started at Substack because I'm getting rid of Twitter and I decided, I was like, you know, maybe I should start writing long form and that will scratch some of that itch and like. You have great courage. Yeah, I mean it's going okay so far. Do you like writing?

I do and you know what, it's crazy, I used to, back in the heyday of like, remember when there were all these online magazines, like The Toast or like The Cut. The Cut, yeah. And like all these places that would pay you $ hundred fifty dollars for a personal essay about going to fucking sweet green and that was like a whole real thing in the like you know 2012 to 2018 or whatever vulture doesn't exist anymore I used to do I actually

recapped your season of all-stars for vulture? For Vulture. Get out of here. You should definitely go back. I don't remember if I supported you or not. Ha ha ha ha! Fuck. Oh wow, that's right. I mean, oh god, we didn't even talk one bit about Drag Race. That's okay. It's fine. Sorry guys.

It's fine, bonus episode. Yeah. I will say the one thing I, if you, I know you won't look up the reviews. The thing is, is you have to understand they give you the screener the day before, they don't tell you who wins the lip sync. And the experience of watching Drag Race alone

versus watching Drag Race with either a group of friends or in a bar is night and fucking day. That show is not meant to be watched alone. No, it's not. It's not. I hated every episode I watched a little bit more than when I'd go and watch it in a bar with my friends because it's just not meant to be watched alone. It's not. Also, just tying a little ribbon and a button on some other subjects we're talking about,

talking about gay hate, I was at a viewing party at a friend's house, there was probably 15 of us, everybody was a gay guy. And it was the era of the la la re episode, do you remember? With the bags? With the bags. The hateful things that were spewed from the mouths of all of us gay guys during that episode

was so frightening. Like it was like, I imagine it was just on the same in the same vein as someone like yelling at the Jets or the Mets or the fucking Utah Jazz. Why? Because you wanted Joey J to stay or whatever. No, no, I don't know. They were just like, kill yourself. You're ugly. You fat fuck. Like it was crazy. I think there's a catharsis to that.

And my thing is, is like, keep it to the group chat. 90% of what I see on Twitter, I'm like, oh you didn't need to tweet about Ashley Tisdale in that way, you have a plethora of gay guys that you can share that little bit with and they'll go ha ha ha ha. And Sylvester Stallone, I think you look amazing by the way. And that should scratch the itch.

Yeah. That's my, and of course obviously I'm seeing it from the other side and I'm like, oh they were human too. And so now I'm keeping most of it to the group chats. But the nasty bits. Were you overly critical in any of your? Oh I was a fucking faggot on Twitter, are you kidding me? No, in your Vulture reviews.

Oh in the Vulture reviews? I think I was a fucking faggot on Twitter. Are you kidding me? Wait, no, in your Vulture reviews. Oh, in the Vulture reviews? I think I was pretty pro, I mean, it was clear from the edit that Alaska was going to win. I was pro you. I don't understand, well, I guess I can't really be objective about it, but let me ask you this though, or let me tell you and you agree with me.

There's the best season of Drag Race. Yes, absolutely. Bar fucking none. I recently, I would listen to Alaska's podcast cause I think they, she and Willem went through. Just did the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, this is fucking amazing. No, the season's so good.

It was the perfectly cast. So good. The only thing that could have made it better is if a door stayed. I think about that, I always forget because she she bat out so early. Knows what would have happened. So two things. What if two big what ifs? And this is no shade to any of the girls. No shade to Roxie in particular. But I don't know about the singing part,

but Reggie wrote you with Alyssa instead of Roxie. The singing part would have the her verse would have been very suspicious, but could you imagine the group number, the dancing? It would have been so. But saying that, have you been watching Global All Stars? I, because we have finally have seen an Alyssa verse, and I gotta tell ya, I don't know, it might have been a lateral move away from Reggie Roachoo.

No, it's Reggie Roachoo away from Read You, Wrote You. No, it's Read You, Wrote You. Read You, Wrote You, sorry. Which I recently learned. Oh, okay. Wait, hold on, okay. So I have been, me and my friend, we've been in my sewing studio sewing stuff and having it on, we have Global All-Stars on the TV.

And first of all, making them do a Snatch Game is so sadistic. End Snatch Game. End it, end it, end it. No more. No more characters. No more. Or you're given a list of people you're allowed to do.

I don't care, but like especially the ESL queens. It's sadistic. You cannot. It's really cruel. It's really cruel. For a person like myself who is very fluent. I went to college, I've read tons of books, I consider myself to be funny sometimes. Improv in that context is so hard. It's so stressful.

It's so hard. I said this about Nympha during her season too, I know we're running long, but this is the thing. People gave her shit for getting help writing those verses. Do you realize how hard it is to write poetry in a language? Because they were like, oh, she speaks English. And it's like, bitch, it's not the same.

It's not even a little bit the same. No, I'm trying to, I mean, my fluency in French is at the level of many of those contestants, like fluency in English. So like the girl from Italy, for example. Love, love. Margarita Pizza, you example. She's like, Margarita pizza. The Margarita pizza thing is crazy. It is crazy.

The thing about global all-stars that I have learned is that RuPaul wants every single one of those girls to be a 1940s caricature of their ethnicity. That is what she wants. I mean, England. Hello, God. And then it's like every, it is truly that like Charlie Chaplin's silent movie reduced the country down

to its like. And by the way, Rue, I would love to come back and judge. I would love to come back and judge. No comment, like no disrespect. But it like, it is crazy. Well they need memes and soundbites. They need memes and soundbites. But I thought it was so sadistic to have these poor queens

have to improv as characters in foreign language. I think it's so mean, I think it was so sadistic to have these poor queens have to improv as characters in foreign language. I think it's so mean, I think it's so cruel, I think it didn't, it turned out so badly. So badly. So badly. It wasn't even watchable. The scripted one was fine though. Or even, was it improv? No, I don't even know.

I just remember the one with the pirates where Nahellenia should have won. Okay. I remember that. Anyways, it is, I think like if they're going to continue to do these franchises, which I do love and I do think the exposure is great, they have to figure out a way to make it more fair. They have to figure out a way to make them shine because I'm sick of seeing drag queens fail on television, especially in that format.

It's like, oh my God, like when you know people are going to bomb, switch it up. Switch it up. We got to talk about this as runways for two seconds. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's she is so crazy. Her runways I think are so incredible. I mean, how much money I would say a hundred thousand dollars at least at least. Oh, cause you have more content. You have more content. you have more context though for what that would cost. If I'm on the prices right and the thing up for question is Alyssa's global all-stars package, I would guesstimate that I have no idea.

I know that people are probably gifted a lot. I have no idea. I literally have no idea. I'm the worst person to ask, but like when she comes out on the runway, I literally have no idea. I'm the worst person to ask, but like, when she comes out on the runway, I scream. That light up outfit. With the suitcase.

Yes, I could not believe it's like, it's on a different level. The mugging too. It's on a different level. It is, it is so fun to see her. And it is so unfortunate that there is this like, clear favoritism for the English speaking girls because Queen Kong I think I think had Queen Kong only has maybe one win that I disagree with she is so rude I would I think she's so easy to root for for the win yeah but because she keeps getting lumped in with these queens that are that are Rue girls. Yeah. And it's like, it's not a level playing field.

It's not. And Alyssa's like, I mean, yeah, Alyssa's at this point, Alyssa would be more appropriate on a guest panel, a judging panel than in the race. Do you know what I mean? Like that- Bring her back for a regular All Stars. You're bringing back everybody.

You're bringing back Ginger Minj. I know, it's crazy. Bring her back for a regular All Stars. But when she came on, her runways are just so incredible. They're so over the top. And I just, like, I was screaming. Screaming, screaming. The steampunk look too.

A fucking burnt house on her. And then we watched season five afterwards, and it's like, it's a different universe. It's a different universe of the show. It's crazy, crazy, crazy. Can I say one last thing? Yes. That's kind of connected to Read You, Wrote You?

Read You, Wrote You. That does not sound right. It doesn't sound right, but it is that. Read You, Wrote You. Because Wrote, I will say that is clearly obviously the best. I still think so, group number. Second, I think Kitty Girl. Okay, yes, Kitty Girl.

Is fun. I don't think any of the other ones have been good, but I will say this. This is what we noticed. We watched All Stars 4 recently, and I will give props to Monet in a way. Monet Exchange is the only contestant, I think, who has ever pulled it off and made it look cool.

Like, actually done a verse in a group number, and I've been watching it and been like, that person's cool. Like, that person has it. I don't, like what was her, I don't know. It was the bad like country superhero one, but she's, rewatch it because it's remarkable that she manages to make something out of nothing. And it is legitimately, it's so hard to make,

you guys did it well other than, you know, and you know, I think Kitty Girl did a really, really fun job because it's like, it's campier with Bibi barely being able to be with it. Yes. And also like the production of the directing was cool. But like, Monet, literally, I'm like, that person is a star who can make anything seem cool. Well, she's super charismatic.

Yes, that's, and that is the thing. She can do anything. Well, on that note, we're done. Thank you so much for being here. This feels like not enough time. Feels like not enough time. Wait, you told me to rap, right? They want to go home.

These fucking bitches want to go home. They're like, you cannot talk about Drag Race for one single second longer. Wait, who's your favorite Drag Race for one single second longer. Wait, who's your favorite Drag Race winner? Simone. Hands down. Hands down, Simone. Because Simone is, I think, we're getting to the point now

where they walk in and you're like, oh, this is their lane, this is their lane, their bobo, you know, Dusty Ray Bottoms, their bobo, so and so, you know. Simone, I truly think, is in a lane on all her own. There are queens that are similar. There are queens that are sort of similar, but I do not think stylistically, energetically,

and talent, and in terms of distribution of talent and charisma, I don't think anyone touches Simone. I really don't. She's so magnetic. Yeah. She's super magnetic. And people give her shit for her step down look. I thought it was brilliant.

I don't remember. It was the wet jeans. Oh, yeah. With the crystallized top. It's country. The thing is, it doesn't read as well on TV as you want it to, but it's so her, and it's like, that's like her culture, her thing,

and I love the whole House of Avalon. Yeah, that's what I love about her and her crew is that they have a real, they have like a modern day gay factory vibe, you know? It's like a very, like, a group of artists, it's like, and this is, I don't, sounds pretentious even even like a group of young artists that like collaborate together, but it really is that no I really and they escaped Alabama together like it's so fun and they're Arkansas like the back

Marks styles mark style me for for fucking drag race and it's the reason I look so fucking good Can I tell you one last thing? I promise. That motherfucker? I'm still waiting for the scam. When was the last time? How can you look that mother, how can you be that hot, that nice and that talented and not be a serial killer?

When I tell you I was watching my episode with my house full of gay men, I don't know when the last time you were on was, but the filter that they put on, I was so embarrassed watching it, because I was like, these people can turn around and look at me in the face, and they know this is not what I look like. They know this is not what I look like. You look like a Hallmark flashback. I was humiliated.

I was humiliated. I felt like I was catfishing the entire nation. I was like, what filter are they putting over this camera? Because literally people would look at the screen and then kind of look back at me and be like, huh, huh. So you're ugly here and then. It's wild. That glimmer glass.

They get that book club budget. I wish I could look like that every day. You know about the book club? No. Like half of the movie book club budget. I wish I could look like that every day. You know about the book club? No. Like half of the book club, the movie book club Oh, the book club. went to post production of Glimmerglass Them Gals. Oof. Yeah.

But when you're 85 years old. They deserve it, they deserve it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They deserve it. Anyways, okay. So thank you so much for joining us. Oh, wait, can I say I'm on tour. When does this come out?

Like October 22nd. Oh, perfect. Literally, I think like today is my first day of tour. I'm going all across the US and Canada. I'm doing Europe in December. You can check out all the dates. It's on my Instagram. It's also Linktree at IHL Kim is the...

There's a website. Yeah, Linktree slash. Yeah, and then it's a whole list of all the dates and you can come and see. What's the most expensive ticket? Please come and see. What's the cheapest? What are the tickets going for these days?

I actually don't know. They're not that cheap. They're not that expensive. They're not that expensive. Because this is the workout show to be... No, it is a complete show. It's called Rude Little Pig. It's Joke and Booster presents Rude Little Pig. And it is a complete show. It's called Rude Little Pig. It's Jolte & Booster Presents Rude Little Pig.

And it is now, I've been doing try out workout shows for the last two years. I finally have a closer that I like. And so I was like, okay, now it's time for it to be a named show. Fierce. So please go buy tickets and go see Joel in concert and without glimmer glass.

Thank you so much. and have a lovely day. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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