The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Eps 5 & 6: "Wigs, Woe, & Redemption" with Trixie and Katya

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

A storm of lace bodices and shattered dreams erupts as Trixie and Katya revisit Episodes 5 and 6, where the workroom transformed into a bloody battlefield and destiny itself teetered on stilettos. Katya, radiant yet tormented, recalls the soaring ecstasy of comedic victory before plunging into the abyss of crippling self-doubt, her every glance a silent scream for redemption. With the dual crucibles of Shakespearean tragedy and a sinister Snatch Game, crowns were forged and egos were obliterated. The legendary Ru Hollywood Stories challenge unfurled like a telenovela within a telenovela, blurring fiction and truth in a tempest of wigs and weeping. In this operatic retelling, Trixie and Katya render the runway not as mere fabric and dime store wigs, but as an altar upon which laughter, heartbreak, and RuPaul’s merciless decree were sacrificed in the name of drag divinity. Start your free online visit today at Hims to find ED treatment that’s up to 95% less than brand names at https://Hims.com/BALD Get organized, refreshed, and back to routine for way less! Head to https://Wayfair.com to shop all things home. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://Betterhelp.com/BALD and get on your way to being your best self! Follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel Follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo To watch the podcast on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/TrixieKatyaYT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To check out our official YouTube Clips Channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/TrixieAndKatyaClipsYT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/thebaldandthebeautifulpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you want to support the show, and get all the episodes ad-free go to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thebaldandthebeautiful.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/thebaldandthebeautifulpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To check out future Live Podcast Shows, go to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://trixieandkatyalive.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To order your copy of our book, "Working Girls", go to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://workinggirlsbook.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To check out the Trixie Motel in Palm Springs, CA: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.trixiemotel.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Listen Anywhere! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/thebaldandthebeautifulpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   Follow Trixie: Official Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.trixiemattel.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@trixie⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/trixiemattel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/trixiemattel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter (X): ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/trixiemattel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   Follow Katya: Official Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.welovekatya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@katya_zamo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/welovekatya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/katya_zamo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter (X): ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/katya_zamo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    #TrixieMattel #KatyaZamo #BaldBeautiful Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yes. Devisive. Everybody from this season has either gone on to be a drag superstar or live in the woods with almost no contact or do porn.

Yeah. So, Mama, we're all thriving. We're all separating off. We're all surviving and surviving and very, through viving in a very interesting way. And getting all these voice notes

has been kind of good to have an excuse to text like Candy Ho. Yeah. Like some of these people I just haven't had an excuse to reach out to. Yeah.

So people like her, people like Pearl, people are... Fame is now a mother? I haven't texted her because I just think What time is it in Switzerland? Yeah, and also, I don't want to, like, whenever somebody gets, like, when Cole won the Emmy,

I'm like, I'm not texting them. She went on Tony. Oh, shit. When Cole and the Tony, I'm not texting them because they probably received 400 texts. You and I should have a Tony Awards where we just give out Tony Collette Awards. Oh, my God, T-O-N-I. Yes. So, like, what outfits she wore this year, what movie she was in.

Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony. Yeah, the T-O-N-I's. And everyone has an Aussie accent. Would you guys want us to come to Australia and host the Tony Collette Awards? That is so... The Tony's. The Tony's. Oh, my God.

I love that. Tone Lowe could perform? Tony Soprano. Oh, my God. It has to be all Tones. Tony Danza. Tony Danza. Tony Bennett.

We could also throw a curveball, Tony Kattain. Who's that? A video fix in. Tony Kittain. Oh, drag name, Tony Deff. That's kind of fun. Tony Hawk.

Tony Hawk. Big fan. What? No, no, no, no. Sorry. It's the other skateboarder is a huge fan. Well, I was at a diner, a park street, Clark Street diner, and he had the biggest, most successful collaboration with Nike. And he's a famous, what is his name?

He's so cute, too. I would fuck him. I love when real athletes like us. I think it's so flattering. Baby, it was flatterama. And he was like, my friend walked by and he flagged my friend down. I was like, is that Katia? And then I was with my mom.

It was my birthday. And it was so cute. What is his name? What is his name? It's a super, I mean, he's, he had long hair. Tony Baloney? No. Oh, Tony the Tiger.

Tony Chocolone. Tony the Tiger. Anyways, long story short, this famous skateboarder loves us. Wow. Yeah. Also, Alex Kansani loves you, apparently, and not me. It makes you so jealous. You know.

Did you pray to me? I'm sure she likes you, too. Yeah. Maybe. I think she just knows if, like, People just know you because you're more famous and you come first. But if they knew you, they would never care about me. Because you could do me, but I could never do you.

Okay. Well, let's talk about what you didn't do on Drag Race. Which is, by the way, in retrospect, getting to skip three episodes. And thank God, Mama, these were the episodes to skip baby doll. I don't want to be a hater because what you might think is that if I'm not in the episodes, I'm like snooze, boring. But I'm so cringed out by myself that once I was eliminated, season, episode 5 started. and I thought, oh, good. Now I'm just watching my friends.

Yeah. Which is true. I wasn't there. I know. I would have enjoyed, I enjoyed watching that episode after Hello Kitty so much more than. Yes. Than anything else. Once you're not in it, you're like, this is great.

Especially when you suffer humiliation. Well, T. So I remember, I was at home. Why don't you, you, we're going to get through the despis. Yeah. We're going to get through. No, no. Merle Hollywood story.

We're going to get through a snatch game. Yeah. This is a mega episode. So first of all, top of the show, I feel so shocked and betrayed right now. Full body chills. So you're gone. We do have a very fun mini challenge. Do you remember my mirror message?

I don't remember. It just said whore like black swan. And do you remember you knew it was directed at you? And you came up and you said, did you suck his clock? And then you started wiping it off. And then I just cut myself. How is no one just written horror like black swan on the mirror on the mirror on Drag, Because nobody's good.

Nobody's any good. I think I wrote like, Love yourself, girl. Who fucking knows what I wrote? 1,900, go suck your mom's cock. That's what people should be writing. I know, I know. It's crazy.

It's crazy. Next time I do drag rest to get a limited, I'm going to say, is Pepsi okay? Full body chills. A single drop of blood. It will just be really deep cuts. You're terrible, Muriel.

You know, it'll just be something out there. That makes, that leaves everyone concerned. You know what people should do when they leave drag race? To the girl who knows what she did, yours will be coming to you. Very, very, uh,

your next bitch. Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony. Tokyo Tony. We should have them in Tokyo boards. We should have them in Tokyo. With Tony, with Tokyo Tony.

Have you ever seen that Tokyo Tony clip where she's like, it's a lot of, when it comes to the LGBT community, it's a lot of issues going on. And Michelle Obama, I wouldn't want to want be, no, she says, Hillary Clinton, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now.

That's like the whole TikTok. Have you seen the one where she's trying to rent out her front yard? Yes. Okay, enough of it to hook you, Tony. We got work to do. Okay, yeah, we got to get through it. So, fabulous fun mini challenge, creating iconic red carpet dresses out of paper. Love this.

So fun. How much time did you have? And you know what, this was, this is a great, fun, relevant, good, entertaining mini challenge. Yes. Because it shows creativity. everybody's dresses were incredible. They actually were pretty good. Pearl's share on Max, I believe, was stunning.

Stunning. Stunning. And that's what Pearl is so good at. Me and Kasha make Bjork Swan dress, super fun. Yes. And then Little Kim, I think Ginger's Little Kim. I don't know how much time you guys had, but the fact that these were head-to-to-to-looks. We have about 30 minutes.

I think maybe more, maybe a little more, maybe 45. I mean, you guys are, you guys have. jewelry. Yeah. Some of you have drag. Yeah, yeah, yes.

It was so fun. It was actually really, really fun. And that's like, I love when they set up the mini challenge to like, to really just have fun and to show creativity rather than,

I mean, also stupid's great too. But like, and the time constraint means we're going to be set up for a little bit of flop. Yeah, but it's a fun way.

But it's a fun way. And I don't, I don't like it when they just set you up to fail or it's boring. I don't know. Right. So that was fun. Me and Kasha win,

whatever. And then we are giving. Kasha gets to do her Joan Rivers. Oh, yeah. She does her Joan Rivers. Which isn't great. No, it's not. I watched it.

It's not great. It's not funny. I was like, Kasha. It's not funny. Also, there were no jokes. There were no jokes. It was just her going like, I'll dress this paper.

Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Wow. That was it. And Kasha. Love you. Love you.

You know what? When I'm watching it, Kasha is one of those people. I think her, I don't want to like, government name her. But Ed Popple? Girl, I watch it. I go,

Come on, Ed Popple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You better work Ed Popple. By the way, Kashi Davis, sober now and married many, many years. To Mr. Davis. To Mr. Davis. Yeah, who was lovely. At the time, that made her seem so old to me that she was a Mrs.

And she was married. I was like, oh, there's a grown-up here. Well, she was. Well, fame was married. Also, she was at, yeah, but she at this point, since Tempice has gone, she is the elder statesman. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So we did a great job.

And I guess technically, The first time you did Bjork on Drag Race. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I should have taken a page out of this and then done her for Snatch game, but whatever. So we have to host the despis. We come up with some banners. It's not great. I mean, it's not great.

Oh, but Mary Dugan. My dress. No, no, no. Before we get to the challenge. Okay. Not to cut you off. Yeah, yeah. We get Pearl versus RuPaul.

Oh, my God. I can't believe this is. I can't believe this happened at this time. Can I say at the time, I thought this was so disrespectful and crazy. And I wasn't there. But as a viewer, I was like, this is crazy. But now knowing that she's 23 and she's on drag race, and I know that RuPaul has never encountered a single drag queen willing to talk to her the way RuPaul talked to her.

And RuPaul is staring at her at, what, April's 90 pounds seated. She's the size of a red M&M just sitting there. And then she just goes, well, you kind of just told me I had no personality. yeah it's wild i remember i was at the table so they're at the so you're going to the workroom there on the left i was right there on the left table i was like so you could hear a whole of it i it's she's right there and you're what pretending to sew i was like girl the machine's going and there's no fabric yeah yeah you're sewing through the hand i'm writing i'm writing with no pencil no she was um the machine's not on and you're just being the fabric

through it background work i'm on the phone Background work. You know what it gives? Remember in the first season of the rehearsal, the woman eating the fake chicken? That's you. I'm having a fake conversation with Kasha. There's no one. You're talking to a mannequin.

I'm fucking mannequin. Well, there's something about when something that awkward is going on that you're like, can I become the wallpaper real quick? I know. So it was more tense and more awkward than it was on television. Because people don't know during the RuPaul walkthroughs. They're long. Everyone is silent. And they're long.

You're not allowed to speak. No. They're long. They're long. And Rupal does one for everyone, but they don't show it. Now, and I think fans have realized, especially at the top of the season, if you get a walkthrough, you're going home. Well, if it's on camera. But in the real time, we all get a walkthrough.

We all get a walkthrough. But there's a clue, of course, the people who get walkthroughs in the first couple of episodes are either in the top or the bottom. Yes. So, you know, because that's there, we've got to see them. Yes. From a story perspective. So this was so fucking uncomfortable. it was so tense

it was insane RuPaul was so angry Like it was like It was like crazy And the I mean I'm sure it was longer in person But I guess The moral of the story to me is that I admire Pearl

For this moment Not because I think it's fun to mouth off to RuPaul But no I think 23 I wouldn't have been able to do that I wouldn't have been able to do that to RuPaul now No matter what RuPaul said to me No Well the next episode

I literally told her this wasn't included in the episode. I confessed to her that I'm absolutely terrified of her to her face. I've done that too. Yeah. She refutes it. She's, she, with me, she played with it. Oh, one time I told her she was so scary and she said, no, everybody says that. I said, well, everybody says that.

And obviously, it walks like a duck. Admire someone so much and fear them as interconnected tissue. Sure, sure, sure. It's an admiration. Yeah, yeah. So, Pearl just sits there. Is there something on my face? And Rupal stares at her.

Rupal's in. I don't remember any other words. And Max is sitting there. Yeah, he's like, Max is sitting there. Hey, how are y'all doing? Tim Burton. Yeah. Gray, silver, and white.

I don't know what's taking place here. They cut to Max and she's like, oh, you know, she's got a British flag. She's got a ginger spice stress on. Yes. And then she, Max goes, I'm very uncomfortable right now. Yeah. With the accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, no, no, no accent. It was no accent. She put on her Mrs. Delphire wig, you just left. You've a jeepidavidia. Like, I can't believe. Shout out to Pearl, I would have never had the balls for that. It was huge. Her balls were, but her balls took up half the room.

It was like the Macy's Day parade with just balls. It was crazy. And, and yeah, it was, and then she leaves. How long did she leave for? It was a while. It was enough to be concerning. It was like enough to be dramatic. It was weird.

Yeah, it was strange. Do you think she was going to quit? I don't know. I don't know. I think she was really pissed off because people were dogpiling on her. Like, you have no... Imagine being told you have no personality. Right.

But she does have a person. She's just not like, hey, mama, fierce. She's not annoying. By the way, for everyone like us in the world who's obnoxious and up there, there needs to be pearls. No, no, no. We're not obnoxious.

We're obnoxious in a different way. But drag queen obnoxious is a very, very specific kind of Frequency. Right. Pearl is nowhere near that frequency. No. In fact, she's an antidote to that frequency, which is often grating.

Yeah. So she is fierce because she's chill. You and I are one brain cell and we're sitting there going like exactly, like, you know, we're not, we're not, we're not even thinking about other people in that way. No. But a lot of the drag queens in the room were operating at a frequency that you and I were not on. No. And Pearl certainly was not on. No.

And it was, I thought it was like, I didn't, it was a, it's, it's a, it's. Refreshing, but at the time, it was fascinating. Because nobody had ever been like that. Nobody had been like that. I mean, Max was a little like that. Max kept to himself aloof, though. Aloof is different than chill. Yes.

Because Max was not chill. No. But she was very aloof. And to herself. And elusive and introverted. But Pearl was like literally James Dean chill cool. And to say that that person has no personality. It's just not true.

If you sit and talk to Pearl is as funny as anybody as much. personality, she's just not cheating out screaming. Yeah. And she's actually quite interesting. And gifted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. So I just couldn't believe this. It was so crazy to watch.

But it was such an easy storyline for the producer I think to latch on to. And of course, the, like a, you know, the caterpillar in the butterfly. You know, you get the whole story arc of coming out of your shell and blooming and blossoming and all that stuff. But I think that that the golden rule of reality TV, and I have produced several reality TV shows now. is nothing's more interesting than what's really happening. Yeah. So the truth is she has this face off with Rupal. Yeah.

But she does good in the challenge. Yeah. So the story is there's this friction. Yeah. And then she figures it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could have easily been friction and then she has weird vibes and it tanks her in the channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then she's out. I don't think that's fabricated. No. But the truth is this difficult conversation happened and then she did well. Yeah. What is the connective tissue there? It's about balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And later, we would. learn from RuPaul's What's the Tea podcast that at the time she went to send her motherfucking ass home that's right there I couldn't believe she was I can't believe she included that that was a rare moment of honesty from or like behind the scenes honesty from me she's like I want to send that fucking bitch home but I knew because she's hot or whatever I was like damn rude you know interesting yeah which is confusing because I was also really hot I know like so you're sitting if we're keeping hot people why did I go did you see my

little corn teeth. Did you see my preceding hair lines? And also the audience has a right to know. Your corn cop smile. Why is my skin so light and my nipples dark brown? What about that? America has a right to know. The viewers need to see that. The viewers need to know. It's Trixine Katty. You're from the Bald and the Beautiful

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whatever. And also, this is really a moment for me to, where I get to really flex my styling muscles because I reach, reach deep into that rucksack and pull out the most fetching, incredibly tantalizing, non-lined sequin t-shirt dress. Okay, I like this dress.

Okay, so get this, though. So where I wear these underneath the dress, I'm wearing glitter bordellos. So with the chunky glitter. I did see that. So guess what happens when you have no slit in the dress and you wear in chunky glitter heels underneath the dress and no lining? The sequins all rub off from. the friction of you walking. Now I'm about pacer. So I'm practicing while pacing, pacing, pacing.

So what happens is that there is about two feet of sequins completely sloughed off of the back of the dress. And I lucked out because we did not walk the runway. I didn't clock it at all. Exactly. Because we never rocked them. We never did a runway. I would have been cooked a lot. Well, I was cooked alive because they never saw the back of the dress, but they saw the flat hair. well the front was nothing to celebrate you there girl let's be honest i mean i like the color it's a beautiful cranberry beautiful pink no no i love the pink it's fuchsia okay well i that shows my brain i'm just like love that it's it's the issue is the hair yeah i don't know how to do hair no no no no you also don't know how to shop for hair no no this came from cvess during halloween no no no no no no no no no no it was a

$35 wig from Dorothy's Her name was Jordan Her name was Jordan She was a hard front And there was nothing soft about her She was and also it had that plastic sheen That right out the back She needed to be tied to the tailpipe

And driven around the block Do you know what she needed? Well a lot of things I think drag queens called like dirtying up the wig It needed to be sprayed with hairspray combed out Spray with hairspray combed out like five times But guess what? Ask me how to do open heart surgery.

You think I'm going to know how to do it? Yeah. No. No. So that's hair styling with me. I don't know how to do it. Not interested in learning how to do it. I'm never going to know how to do it. I don't care about hair. I want it to look good from somebody else.

That's, I mean, everything else I'd love to learn how to do. I'd love to learn how to DJ. You know what I mean? It's also okay to not do every part of drag. Yes, but it's also not okay to not bring something for every occasion. Or to wear something that is flagrantly unsatisfactory. Just knowing what I know now, your hosting look, that dress with an updo with some cool earrings, it could have easily

been a hosting dress. Servisable. Yeah. Servisable. Your body looks great. Yeah. Serviceable. And your face looks good.

My face looks good. I mean, I definitely am like in the, like with glaucoma passing, you know, and nothing crazy bad about the makeup. Thank. So I was going home. What? Until I had the award. because my we sucked we just we are not that funny and we didn't suck but we were not that funny

and you guys didn't seem like you had a good um rapport rhythm no we didn't have a good rhythm and because she has her stick i have mine and i was going to do it in a russian accent but that just did not make any sense with her and like and i was just like we never really got gelled so much um and it's hard to do that it's just hard to like come up with chemistry with another person because we were kind of going on Tina and Amy. Why didn't you want to do a character? I just thought it was going to be corny. I thought it was going to be corny.

We will get there, but I skipped ahead a couple episodes. There's a part where RuPaul says, why don't you do the Russian character? And then your talking head is, I'm afraid to do it because it's the thing I do the best. And if I'm not good at that, then what am I good at? Yeah. Well, if I feel it, the thing that I feel like I'm the most gifted at,

then you're a failure. That made so much sense. Well, yeah, because also there was never an opportunity. I never felt that I'm good at reading the temperature of the room. Like, I feel like I have that ability. And it just never was the vibe. No, it was like, it was, because I, it was that character. That's already doing an accent.

That's what I'm saying. There's already one in the room. That's what I'm saying. Like, it, it, realness was the vibe. Realness was the bud. I was, and I've never been myself in drag. Up until this point, I'm either an imposter on the weekends with a bachelor's or a Russian, accent crazy person on monday i've never been myself in drag and i was very feeling that

like my personality but with drag on right in drag race because i knew that when i left the show god willing i succeeded i'm not traveling around doing the russian accent because i don't do that i don't want to be like a weird russian person sure fake russian person so i had to like negotiate that and um so i we did our thing it was like forgettable um I thought Pearl was really good with Max. Pearl was good. When Pearl does the gender impression. What does she say?

Come on down to Gatorland, girl. Like, love that shit. It was cute. And I love Pearl's outfit. Yeah, yeah. Max looks great too. Violet's dress. So in person, so it looked, it was all stones.

So it was so heavy. It was so, it was a mesh dress, a deep V or deep neckline, solid stones and the most beautiful, umbrae effect. so heavy. It was like 50 pounds or something and it was dragging along. It looked gorgeous in the person. It still looked nice on TV, but it was...

Stones didn't quite read on TV. Stones don't read. Fame's dress was amazing. The cap sleeve with the long glove. The long glove. Oh, I loved it. I was one of my favorite outfits she's ever worn. And then instead of crying, she makes a joke about like, I was going to cry, but damn Botox will get you every time. Actually funny. She was good. Yeah. And then the man upstairs, thanks for the light. You know, that's the light. I look gorgeous. Fame did a great job. She did a good job. And I, this was the only point in the show where I was actually able to tell Ru, like, this is the kind of funny I am. Right. And she was the only one that laughed. And I was like, oh. That's all you need. That's, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, wasn't planned or anything. Because, and I didn't, I had no idea what I was going to say. So when I got up there, I was like, freaking out. And I was like, and I just said that. It was like, I had no idea. It was, I wasn't planned or anything. And, and I was. And, and I was. like because that's how I do it at the show in Boston and like just improv and I just that came out of my mouth and she laughed very like she laughed a lot and I was like oh thank God I'm not going

home. No you did great yeah but it was just I I really landed it landed and it was like Bob Ross was so random and she was the only one that got it she was the only who knew that was right and um and it was like it was like oh that's great and Isaac Mizrahi got it because he's like he said I have a core of irony I have a core of irony I was like that's what you need to recognize in a drag queen do you know what I mean A core of irony

Like you operate from a perspective of irony Sure Like you know what like Kendi Ho is not ironic Neither is I mean ironic irreverent Like we're not I don't think

Jaden operates from a port of irony She's a fierce showgirl I think operating from a place of Like you know it's all a joke But what's funny is that you act like it's not. Yeah. That is what makes it funny.

Yeah. That's why the joke of drag queen saying, I'm just a young woman, whatever. Yeah. The apparent truth is different from the obvious truth. Yes. Yeah. So that wasn't, I wasn't there,

but as a viewer, I also thought that Kennedy and Jaden did okay. Yeah. I mean, Kennedy's great. I love when Kennedy said, we look like a number 10. Yeah. And she's something in a wall clock.

And then she said, stand over there, go like this. And then she goes, my point. Very funny. And all, I said,

from the star of Tyler Perry's roots, Kennedy did have, important. You said this? Yes. Completely improved. I had no idea. It just came out of my mouth. Came out of my mouth. And she said straight from Kuntikinti's hut. It's so funny. She's so good. She's so good. Kennedy is great. She's great. Everybody. Ginger's good in it. Yep. Um, it's Ginger performs with candy, right? I think they kind of do this.

Yeah, and Ginger. Yeah. And she's just steam rolls. It's so hard. It's hard to perform with Ginger because she's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Candy didn't stand a chance. Yeah. So, but Ginger could have done her a favor, but that's not her responsibility. It's not a responsibility, but I mean, you and I go through this when we work together, I usually I think, end up setting up the joke

and then you usually have the punchline when we do our stage show. But if you both do a good job, it's everyone's life. Yes. It doesn't have to be the straight man never does well. Right. Because setting up the joke can also be very fucking funny. Well, it's you don't have a joke without a setup.

Right. You know what I mean? So it's, yeah. It's a lot of responsible. And you can, you It's so one-on-one, but if you make it about liking each other look good, you both look good. Yeah. Like when I do pit stop, it's actually more about setting the other guest up for their day. Yeah, for their moment. I'm really about you. Yeah, that's a really good point.

Yeah. It's a fun challenge, though. I liked it. And I'm shocked that they haven't done. Well, they probably have, but I think they should have done another despise. I love the fact that you guys really voted for each other. Yes. And you want Medius talk with my two-inch wing.

two inches hard congratulations on the media stuff does that did that kind of come up when you were touring and hooking up where guys like well I heard no no no I was from because in tucked I had my whole cock out the whole cock well you had the cage it was the cock people saw the cage and it was the size of like a bingo cage one of those like turning no it was the lottery cage yeah it was one of those bingo cages and oh 27 oh 27 yeah and you just spin it and it was to hit the clip no no I don't know. I don't know what that was a little bit.

There's no runway. Okay, so there's no. But they do talk about your looks. Jesus H. Christ shone down on me this day because I truly, I was, now you have to understand, because the sequins really do make an impact, when I was looking in the mirror at my dress, it was fucking dazzling. To me. Are you talking about the, my pink t-shirt?

Right. When the stage lights hit, or the workroom lights hit my dress, in the mirror, it looked beautiful. because sequins look beautiful. Right. But so I didn't even see the hair. You have to understand, Mama. I'm no hair person. Mama, I'm like Brooke Hogan.

Like, I don't do hair. Oh yeah. Pearl introduces that great joke. The Brooke Hogan of Drag. Hysterical. And then you tell Michelle, I think you tell Michelle, this hair's in the Brook Hogan collection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love.

Yeah, she was, she's like, your hair's too flat, whatever. And then, but that was really the only criticism I got, it was basic dress. And also, I was like, not that great in the gelon. So I think I was in the bottom. But, no, I was safe, safe. I was safe. Yeah.

It was safe. But Kasha didn't deserve to be in the bottom, I don't think. Well, our bottom ends up being Kasha and Candy Ho. Yeah. And it's a bummer because Kasha flubbed one word and they repeated that three times. Three times. Yeah. And it's like, she said welcome wrong.

She just flubbed over welcome. She's like, she stuttered. And anybody who knows Kasha knows that that that whore is fine in a microphone. Yes. She's not a flopper. She's not a flopper. She would have done a great job on her own. Yeah.

Like, and I think I would have done a much better on my own as well. And unfortunately for Kasha, lip syncing is candies. Yeah, she's a terminator. She's a terminator. Yeah. Also, it was to Ariana Grande. I know. And no, no, what was it?

That was Death Becomes her. It was, lover girl. Lever girl. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great song. Great song. Pussy. Actually, a little birdie told me that you feel insane me.

That wasn't in anybody's like, that was fair for. both of them, I feel. Well, because Kasha probably knew it. Yeah, and also, like, when J, what was it, when Max had to do... Oh, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, no more lies. Yeah, I was like, good luck, whitey. Girl, it's really, it's really rough. You know what I mean?

Let's move on. Shout out to Kasha. Okay, so Kasha, love, love, love you. Oh, do we have a note from Kasha. Let's see. Shout out to Kasha. Listen. I never got to do...

Go ahead. Snatch game. Oh, yeah. I knew, I kind of had this intuition that was head that way. And so when we got to do the little fashion runway, Bjork, I was like, okay, great. I can create this stuff out of paper and have this fabulous, and the teamwork with Katu was terrific. And so I threw in Joan Rivers because I was like, you better throw something in to show people. And I thought that that was kind of headed in the right direction and then, you know, elimination station happened.

And honestly, when I was lip-thinking, I thought, well, I wasn't. this. Damn. Not so much. Coming back. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we'll get back to that in a minute.

Shout out to Kaja. Love Kasha. She has been so great to keep a touch with over the years and she's so fabulous and she's just great. Her sobriety is she's very inspiring with that.

Yeah. There's always time for a meeting. She does activism with like drag queens reading of children. She does this series where she reads dad jokes in drag in succession. So she has a bunch of slips of paper

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This is by far the worst challenge of the entire season. It's not good. No, I'm going to, and I'm going to fly by this because it doesn't deserve a lot of airtime. It really doesn't. So there's three tones and three points of view to these scripts. Merle Ginsburg, who is a judge on seasons one and two, was a, was replaced by Michelle Vislaza on season three, I believe. And so they do this whole, they bring her back and they create this, you know,

storyline of what happened to her from the perspective of Rue, the perspective of Merle, the perspective of Michelle. And we have three groups doing that. It's, it sucks. But what's interesting is that there's, um, Merle's tone is straightforward. Michelle's the villain. Michelle's story is pretty straightforward

Merle's the villain Rue's story is absurd Yes So it's absurd And theater of the absurd To be honest The flashback elements

Are the only really funny parts of this Yes Yes Where the girls are doing Voiceover Yes And then they're doing Crazy shit

The security camera footage I was like a human poker table Yeah That was fucking funny How did you do that But then fame Compeed me She did

Yeah, she did it backband too. What? I think maybe she didn't copy me. But she did it too, but wasn't as funny as well. You're like, oh no, I copied her. Sorry. I actually could have been the case. No, but it was, so maybe it was written in.

No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was very, very, very bad. And you know, because it was, it had to be saved by Jella Wrestling. By boobs coming out in Jella Wrestling was the only way to save this turkey. And I have a vivid memory of Pearl telling me that, you know, the air that's frozen in there. Yeah. And you're covered in Jellah.

Pearl said her teeth were chattering. Like, you're cold. It was not good. I was so forgetably bad. And no, no, no, not bad. I was like serviceable, but completely forgettable. Ginger was so funny. So funny.

She was even funnier. They cut out some stuff. And Kennedy was fine. She wasn't that great. But we had a great time doing it. We knew we were not going home. All of our runways were terrible. Oh, is this Britney at 45?

Is this Britney at 45? We had the toy section. And then she, and then, yeah. No, no, no, that was a Sinatch game. Okay. This was Death Becomes Her. How did you die again? Oh, God.

It was so, so, so, poop. These were so bad. The Vampa candy, love candy. Okay, that vampire was bad. We're going to go down on the list, but first, let me say this about the Rue Hollywood stories. Nobody understood that it was theater of the absurd from Rue's point of view. Because they were non-sequiters.

They were absurd non-sequitur lines. Right. Like, here's a muffin from Mars. I love. love a strong female. Like, it didn't make any sense on purpose. Right. But so they never got that.

And it didn't. They didn't get that. They didn't get that. And even if they did, it wouldn't have worked. Again, like Shakespeare, terrible fucking writing. Just, I would say anybody competing, act really big. Huge. And let them tell you what to pull back.

Let them tell you to turn it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make strong choices. Huge, big. Because they'll tell you what doesn't work. Yeah. So Max was terrible. Max was terrible.

That whole group sucked. Fame was terrible. Fame was awful. And because fame got saddled. She's the worst person against Saddle with the Theater of the Absurd. I kind of liked Ginger as like... No, Ginger was amazing. She should have won.

But what she did with Michelle was Tony Soprano. Was not even Michelle. She made a strong choice. That totally was great. She made her an ultra villain from Sopranos. Yeah. I think I liked Kennedy. Was Kennedy Rupal?

She was fine. She was fine. Yeah. I liked Pearl as, I mean, I like all these Michelle Vassage costumes. Yeah. And they're all doing like, Violet was, 2012's, Michelle? Yeah, but, well, we were given the costume. Yeah.

Violet was not great. What did you think of your little Mroll Ginsburg? How'd you feel in that pussy little wig? I felt like, um, uh, old maiden type of shit bag. I felt so. The beret with like a scarf. My brown bob. My thin brown bob.

And also, you look like you were in the library. Mama, not even. Like, I'm look at, it's, it looks like, it's, it looks like you. use the computers at the library. Yeah. It was bad. It looks like I'm like voting against gay rights. For sure.

You know what I mean? Which is what Merle does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, and also, no offense to Merle, but she was a very fucking milk toast, lukewarm guest judge anyway. To be honest, I think the way you played it was the only way to play it, which is to make her very Sally simple. She's like, bo-uh.

And goody, goody. I was like, because Michelle is written as like this whore who's stealing her job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get a note to like, Ross is like, really, really, really. go go there and so i this is my opinion because ginger's won so many challenges and they want to throw me a bone right they throw me a bone i did not deserve to win that challenge and it's just an objective fact yeah so and ginger should have won jinger should have won i mean i think maybe because her runway was so it was it was it was yes it was okay it was really bad yeah it was so bad and mine was

so stupid. It was real stupid. Yeah. Like, it was just dumb. Oh, so Kennedy, so here's what I think they decided to do. They gave it to me because they couldn't they had to dismiss Kennedy. It was crazy. They had to get rid

of her. There was no way she could. There was no justification for that outfit. I even know that outfit was broken. I sewed a new zipper onto it because the zipper was broken. Nothing. And while I'm doing that, this is before the run. I was like, girl, what is this? Like, what is this outfit? This is the thing, too. Obviously, she didn't, obviously she didn't have it made for

drag race. No, no. But the question is, then what was it for? It's so iconic. It's giving Thanksgiving. It's giving chicken drumstick. It's giving hand turkey. It's so wild. And the blood coming out of the boob. Stones. All over the face. All over the face. And also, the bizarrely horrendous, like, abusive storyline. well I was out there hooking and I was a trick had gutted me and then threw me in a dumpster but I didn't die I survived and I was crystallized very strange I love the mythology of it though the three of us then are dismissed everybody else is on the on the chopping block and we had we had such a great time and untucked it was so so so fun it was the first time actually we got to

let our hair down and the three of us who had the fucking kiki of all kiki it was so fun and untucked. But I didn't deserve to win that challenge at all. Ginger should have won it. But I just, like, again, I think they just, they needed to just. At least your outfit showed that you died. Yeah. Like, Kennedy's was not a death.

No, it was not. And Ginger's, yeah, it was so bad. Terrible. So then let's go down the list. Fame, stunning. If she was just model, enough with the mugging and the hands and stuff. If she had just pussy walked, like Karen Mulder down the runway. Yeah.

That makeup? I wish I would have got to do this runway. This is one of the only ones I think would have been 10 years later. What did you do? It was a little dress that looked like a haircuting cape. You were electrocuted. Yes. And I had a hairdraft that shot of my wig.

And then one side of my wig was completely black and blown this way. And it wasn't that great, but it was certainly better than some of the other garbage I had. Yeah. Candy-ho, Unforgivable. You're a vampire? I know. Yeah. I mean, like, and then I hated pearls.

I'm sorry. Plastic surgery? I liked it. What about that said death? She died on the table. On the table? On the table? Downed on the table with bandages?

I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Oh, yeah, I guess it doesn't, but I love the makeup. She died of sepsis two weeks later? I like the look. I like the makeup. I like the hair slick back. I don't like it.

I like the bandage around the middle. I like that. I thought she was so careful. I just thought she was capable, and I know she was capable of something so much cooler. A violence. Max's was cool. Yeah, and people didn't ever get the first time she walked. It bled.

It bled in real time. We bled in real time, but I can't believe they didn't use that clip. Yeah, she walked, and the first time she walks, it bleeds down the dress. It was very cunty. It was very, very cunty. And she looks amazing. Max, we'll probably never watch Dregress again. Yeah.

She looks so fucking good on Zemps 7 of Dregor. It's crazy. Yeah, it's Gengen. All of us look, Max looks like timeless. Porcelain. Beautiful. Cunty. And then, uh, violets, of course.

So, what did she die of? Oh, um, Asphyxiation. Asphyxiation. From too much corsetry. Which she did have to, which she did have a moment. Actually, I don't know if people know that. That between runway walks, she started to get like, and had to like take a moment.

It was 18 inches, wasn't it? It was really intense. And she was very in pain. It looks great. It looks cool. Yeah. It looks cool. Oh, she was like painted herself kind of bluish.

Yeah. I don't know if today you could use an oxygen tank on Dragrosse. Is it ablest? I don't know. But she also had the thingy. It's like, well, but then it didn't make any sense. It's like, why don't you loosen the corset? Yeah.

Like, you're going to carry an oxygen tank when you could just undo your corset. You know what I mean? Yeah. I thought it was cool, but it literally made no sense. It did make sense. I did like it, though. No, no. I mean, it was legendary, but again, it just didn't make any sense.

It's really cool. Jaden is no. It's so bad. Ariana Grande is the guest judge. Yeah. Which is very cool. And she was, it was a big hubbub. Like, it was a big hubbub.

Like, it was a big deal. Yeah. She was a huge star. And I think she had a huge entourage. But she fell off now. Yeah, she's a nobody. She's a nobody. Yeah, yeah.

Frank. You talk about Frankie. Of course. Who else? And it was break free as the lip sync. Great song. Yeah, which I was hoping to lip sync too because then I could wrestle with the shark. Oh.

Right. You were hoping to be in the bottom just to wrestle with shark. I knew I had a point of view during the lip sync. This is when I famously said, It was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family. Explain that. It was a non-sequitur about my death. Who did you say this to?

Rupal. So what did Rupal ask you that you said that? She said, do you have anything to say? And you said. It was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family. And did anyone laugh? Not one. And not even a chuckle, not even a snicker.

It was... RuPaul just said, thank you. She said, thank you, Katya. It was unbelievable. I thought it was hysterical. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, I obviously died of a shark attack.

Right. But it's so funny to me. That's so funny. I guess it just... Do you know what that reminds me? Have you ever seen another teen movie? No. There's this part where this girl, Janie, is painting, and she's like, it's my mom, and they cut to the painting, and it's a stick figure.

Yeah. And then the guy goes, she goes, oh, my mom died. She was driving fast. The roads were wet. And he goes, oh, my God. had Janie, a car accident? She goes, no, cancer. Yeah, it's great.

It's great. It's not that cancer's funny. It's not misdirecting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's cold looking at a picture of George Washington and saying, mother. It's like, I love that. I wish they would have aired it. I know.

It was so, it was so bizarre, though. Very norm core gay people would have been in a gay barme and like, yes, yes. And then you would have said that. They would have been like, yeah, no. Is she okay? I know three people who I admired that would have laughed at it. That's why I told it. I would have loved it.

Okay, so then that's it. And then they, um, Candy and, um... Shout out to Candy. Great lip-sinker. Fabulous. Beautiful. Assassin. Assassin.

Let's hear from Candy. Candy. Candy, Marie Ho. Yeah. Time, at that time when I had to lip sync for the third time, I was like literally over it. I was, I was done. I was so exhausted mentally, like, at the, at that time, I didn't know what. What was going wrong?

Like, why was I doing so bad? But, and that really drained me. That really drained me. And just having to be with all these amazing drag queens with these big personalities. And I'm over here just being this showgirl and entertainer and performer. But I didn't know I was missing so many other important things that make a drag queen. so yeah by that time when I had to do a break free I was like I was ready I was like okay

great song to go out on me oh yeah fabulous because this song was everything it was a fierce song when they told us Ariana Grande was going to be there that was even more of like okay I got to slay this song I remember like they gave us that song maybe like two days before the lip sync to learn. Damn. We really didn't any...

We hadn't heard the song because it was new. And I remember just being in my hotel room, just listening to the song over and over and over and over and dancing in my hotel room. I was like, ah, I got to slay, I got to do this. But I don't know. For some weird reason, I always felt like, okay, I'm on the bottom, but this is my moment. I was always feeling myself so much when I was... T.

That's good. About to be eliminated, right? But for me, it was a great moment that I was showing my talent. I mean, like, especially because she got to show her forte three times. That's the thing. When you're a good fucking lip sinker, it's a huge gift to be able to lip sync. Because club owners are going to hire you to do just that. They're watching.

And because sometimes, you know, they're not hiring fame to do that. Yeah. You know, they're hiring her to do something else. But sometimes they did. No, sometimes they did. But they're hiring her to do something else. Right. you know um so that so great blah blah moving on um snatch game this was a really hard episode

for me to watch because it's so not cringy it's just like oh god like ugh being like vulnerable but this is when i told rue this is the addicted to anxiety conversation and also this is when i said i have to confess something to you i'm terrified of you then this is the way we had that moment that didn't make the cut but that's what that's what kick started the anxiety thing and then we got into a big long conversation because at this time I was like I really need to go to a meeting because I hadn't I hadn't I had been going to meetings five days a week for about two years well I watched this episode I did some Googling about meetings and the internet says that if it's you and one other addict that counts as a meeting do you feel that way no not when there's

cameras right right it was it was a tough thing for me to do because I was like okay I know this is fake, but I know I need this. So is it even possible to be authentic? And it actually kind of was. Mary, you're sobbing. No, I know, but I mean, like, it's still not real. I've never seen you cry like that in my life to this day. It's, it's, but it's, I don't know.

I don't know why you won't cry like that for me. Because when you pork me, it feels so good. Would I have to wear the fake eyebrows, like fame to get you to open up a little bit? I mean, I was like, because it's, it's staged. You know, they say like, why don't you go talk to them? And I was like, I mean, I wanted to. And we did, but, and I got over the, the inauthentic part of it pretty quickly because I, I actually felt that way, but it's just a weird thing.

I'm not really comfortable with that on reality TV. That's not my, it's not my gig. I get it. You know, I get it because you're, there's a discussion coming up, I think, in this season about my boyfriend's family not liking drag. And that I feel like, there's some things looking back. You're like, I didn't have to say all that. I wish, yeah, I wish this conversation never happened.

And although I know for a fact, because I have all the fucking messages, that it, people say all, even now, they say like, you're a conversation with misfame, da, da, da, da, do. So it was very impactful for a lot of people. I do not in any way, shape, or form, I've never wanted. I don't want. And I will never want to be a spokesperson for sobriety, obviously. But like, it did help people. Right. Because you're, you're also almost, I don't know, I would perceive that you are taking something. that's a personal journey that we all know has ups and downs. And you're inviting the world to be critical of upholding you to that. You're inviting the world to microscopically. To participate in your sobriety in a way. To monitor it.

Right. Evaluate it, whatever. And so, like, me and Kasha are very, very different experiences of this. Her going public about it has been very helpful for her. Sure. And has, I think that that provides a layer of, accountability. Me? Not at all. In fact, it actually makes me, I don't think it makes me, it makes it worse, but it makes me lie more. To be honest, I've seen people know that you're an

addict and then come up to you and ask you if you want drugs. Girl, I was in Texas. I was in Texas. I was offered cocaine three times by the same person. Love it. And I was like, cocaine people, they don't remember what they're saying and they talk a lot. It's so fucking crazy. So, but then we do I. Does somebody say something about some cocaine? No champagne, no champagne. Um, So let's, like, zip through Snatch game because... Well, there's some highs and some lows. Yeah. Everybody is garbage except Kennedy.

Yep. No, Pearl. Oh, Pearl. So here's my... This is my top, bottom, safe. Okay, ready? Top. Pearl Kennedy. For sure. Okay, Pearl Kennedy. Top.

For sure. Safe. Ginger. Ginger. Ginger, me. Violet. Love it. Okay. Bottom. Jaden.

Max. Max. fame. Yeah. Story closed. Case closed. That's the truth. Agreed.

Pearl was fucking amazing. She pulled that out of nowhere. I'm very excited. A medical mystery. Everything was great. The makeup. She looked like a different person. She looked nuts.

Exactly what you want to snatch game. I'm very excited. The makeup dialed it up to like, madam. Also, she was like doing that level. Also, she literally came out of her shell. She was amazing. Like, she, that was. It was so fucking funny.

It was hard to believe that was Perl doing that. As you realize how many times I do this in my head since for the last 10 years, I'm very excited. And the little dog. It was so country. I'd never even seen that show. Me neither. It didn't matter.

That's the whole success. You know that the success of your character depends on having no knowledge of that character is it funny. Yeah. She was hysterical. I didn't think Adele was that funny. No shade to ginger. It was just fat jokes.

Adele was fine. We're not doing fat jokes. We're not doing fat jokes. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. um i Kennedy the way she took him

first of all did a man huge risk and i watched the little richard documentary a couple months ago little richard did drag yeah yeah little richard performed with drag queens little richard wore makeup and

wig it was like liberace yes and so at the time it was like wow you're doing a man but now i'm like not really no no no it's like doing boy george it's like doing um uh you know whatever

a david bowie like a kiss you know what i mean that kind of thing. It'd be like doing Timothy Shalame. Yeah. It'd be doing like Josh Brolin. Rosie.

Rosie. But she was so, I mean, if she was funnier. Like so. Kennedy was unbelievable. And she was so, she was much wittier than she had previously been. We knew she was funny. But she was quick and witty and fabulous.

There's a part where I wrote one of my notes is Pearl's Transcendent. Shut up. Pearl's transcendent. Yeah. I don't like when people do other drag queens in general. No, but it was. Don't do Alaska. Don't do Rupal.

don't do drag queens don't do la ganja don't but she it would have been better than donatella thank god we didn't have dueling boring donatella's well i wrote that donatella's hard i wrote that susie is serviceable don't know is hard but i love donna tell me that was your best snatch game impersonation don't know tell me that was your best celebrity impersonation i it ate howled it's amazing i i i i howled on the main stage that was so funny. So they, there was some weird production stuff going on. I was not funny. I really did not kill it. And Tamar did not think I was hilarious. So there was some weird things going on there. Right. Tamar, the girl, every time she throws her head backs and laughs, her nose looks

like a fucking light switch. Also, like she, like she, no shade to her. She is on another planet. I don't know what she's on. Not, not drugs, but like she's just not on the same wavelength. It was she's one of us though, for sure. Is she? I think she's drag. One of us what? Dragoon. Oh yeah. She's a draggo. She's dragoon. Yeah, I guess so. She's dragoon. I wrote down this. I wrote Kennedy's life changing. There's a part where Rupal asked her a question and she says, well, Roo, it was a bathhouse with a dark room and glory holes. Yeah. Shut up. Like, this first shut up was so fun. Like, it was so fucking funny. How did she think of that? And how was she so sure it was going to be so good? I don't think she was. I think she was legitimately, she was incredible. She was. And she was. And she.

really really really was just like everyone needs a tight screw hello shut up it's it's amazing it was the perfect like she it was she unintentionally followed the formula catchphrase zippy like have a repeat one thing three times you know what i mean like it was the shut up perfect and she was doing a very even more heightened version of it which is the key yeah yeah yeah you're not all that i hate when the queens are like i'm going to do the most unclockwise allusion it's not that at all. And obviously I'm a master of Snatch game so you can ask me any time.

You got to do something. If the person has a personality that's a 7 out of 10, you get to go 14. Right, right, right, right. And then, so leather and lace runway, this is to me by one of the very, the weakest runways out of all the girls.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I've had, uh, one option, really. I was going to do Lana Del Rey. I would have tanked. I was really into that. I'm born to die. Yeah.

And my... I did that for my... Audition? Audition. Okay, yeah. I had a white buttoned up shirt, a brown wig with flowers in the hair. Oof, baby. That would have been.

It would have been awful. That would have been horrible. I have never been able to do an impersonation of anyone now. I don't have any good impersonations. I mean, I was going to do Svetlana Horkina, but that just doesn't... I don't... I don't... I just don't think Russian accents are funny.

I disagree. I mean, they are, but like, you have to... Like, from my point of view, I'm like... I don't know. I just, it's low energy. Like, it's like, like, you know, Russian people talk like this. It's really low energy.

I don't know. But fame did it. No, fame. Plain did it. I don't think that was funny. Oh, isn't that artist Ukrainian as well? Serbian, but it was Slavic. It was Slavic.

I thought that worked. I don't know. I was going to run on the way. I'm sure it also would have been bad. I'm not a, I don't have an impersonation. Mama, we got to talk about Max's Sharon. Oh, no. When did the hurt begin?

Oh, it was... Fought in house. And you know what? And in the horrible thing and people got to realize that position, the worst. Did it? You know what that.

Did it dress as Raymond? Did it dress as Raymond? The first one. You have... The girl, Ginger, had about four hours to come up with her. And by the time, if you're last,

you can just make jokes about other people's answers. Hello. And then you, and you quickly realize, you don't even have to answer the question. You don't. You just have to make her laugh.

Doesn't matter. You don't have to follow any rules. Just be funny. Yeah. You don't have to look like the person You don't have to sound like them You just have to be a fucking idiot I mean look at Bob doing Carol Channing

Yeah She doesn't look like Carol Channing No Or it doesn't matter Yeah it doesn't matter It just amazing So God Max was so tough And I think I was

Looked like Sharon The see that's what happens With people They get caught up in the look Yeah they look She looked exactly like her She kind of sounded like her But there was none of the

Elviroid punny Funness Yeah because I mean Drag Ray Sharon I read a footique. You know what I mean? Like she said what she would have answered to those questions. And it's not that funny.

Max sent us a voice note and she does touch on Snatch game. So let's skip around a little bit. Okay, okay. I'm pretty sure I just like blacked out through the whole thing. And I was up in that very first corner where I had absolutely no time to. Terrifying. To think or change my little quips and my improvisations. So that was definitely a hard, hard, hard thing

and the whole freaking episode where I got eliminated and had to sit down on stage because I couldn't breathe and all of that. Not a fun, not a fun time. I was mostly just thinking, oh, God. I'm going to disappoint people at home. I'm going to get broken up with. Oh, my God.

Okay, Jesus Christ. Okay. Can we just do a little bit of a, The thing is, you and I are here watching season seven. Honestly, I'm going to tell you something. I spend very little time thinking about how good you and I are. I spend a lot of time thinking about how good all these other people are. People like Max should not have anything to be ashamed of about what they did on drug race.

I'm invisible on this season. It's what I did after the show. I worked in catering. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this was like, I was telling people, you want to go 10-1? Girl. Yes. There's so much to be proud of.

Max is still one of the most, still unique. Girl, go watch like a YouTube Max Runway compilation. Show me another drag queen who gives the same essence. There still hasn't been one. So that is such a feat to be proud of. Good in Glamzorne Airways. Everything she made was cool. Fabulous and Shakespeare.

Shakespeare, she was one of the only good parts of it. Max, you were great. Her entrance look was incredible. Max is from Wisconsin. I'm from Wisconsin. Max and I went to college together. And it's never addressed on the show. And I went to music.

You both went to Oxford? Beauty school. We both went to Paul Mitchell off the freeway. We went to school together. We did two musicals together. We went to ballet together. And we both did drag, but never really around each other. He was under 21.

Oh, my God. I was 21 working in clubs. So when I showed up on drag guys and he was there, it was so freaky. I couldn't believe me. And also he's talking in weird. That was the other thing, too. My accident from Wisconsin is a little different than his. Different aeros.

I do drake. But Max, you are absolutely incredible. It's crazy. One of a kind. One of a kind. Well, can we skip ahead? I mean, we do have a bunch of critiques, including before Max's corset comes off, Tamar says that you look like Brittany at 45.

Love that. Which, honestly, now that we're seeing Britney in 45, I'll take it. Yeah. I mean. And by the way, the Brittany people would be like at 85, 105, still eats, you know, Britney fans? DeLulu. Take it.

DeLulu lemon. Okay. Okay. I also just had some quick critiques. Your runway look. I don't want to talk about it. I mean, there's nothing to talk about it. It sucks.

I mean, it's okay. A bolt of fabric. It sucks. It sucks. And it's okay. I made it. It sucks. Let's move on.

Okay. I made it. It sucks. Let's move on. But I did make it. My main takeaway of this is that I have no taste. No, no. My main takeaway of this is that if it was a double win,

it should have been Pearl and Kennedy. Sorry, Ginger. Love Ginger. She did great. Oh, a hundred percent. It was baffling. I mean, it was not baffling. That's, that's, no offense.

It's not fair. Ginger was fine. But Pearl was really great. Pearl was overlooked. And I think that they sent Pearl. I don't know what the rationale is that. I don't know what they were. Because it would have been a great moment to have her come out of her shawl then.

Yeah. I loved her runway. It's a pink leather lace with the waves and the hair. This is my, it's pink oh yeah yeah yeah this is my favorite ginger runway the white leather she looked fabulous I think maybe that has something to do with it

she was her best look she looked really good she looked great white lace is cool and different than everyone else yeah yeah yeah and it was a nice cool like Christian rocker chick kind of thing yeah um I I didn't like fame's look I didn't either the corset over a dress thing bring a book um it wasn't good um

I uh who else I wrote um that you have a plastic wig on I had mama get into this you're not going to believe all this what is it remember that Despy wig I stacked another one on top of it you said

oh the girls aren't ready well I have one we can have two twice the price well they did give you a critique that it was too flat yes so maybe you would put another one on top and literally I

two wrongs don't make a right oh okay I safety pinned it didn't tease it you said I will not give you a C cup but it will give you two A cups what about that I wrote that Jaden Dior Fierce

is so pretty Yeah. I wrote that Max's look is basic for Max. Yeah. The spider look... Oh, I hated it. It just was basic for Max, but I love the red contacts.

Yeah. And then Ginger was great. I couldn't believe Pearl didn't get the win with Kennedy or just Kennedy. It should have been just Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah, it should have been just Kennedy. Pearl had a great runway and a great big Ann, so I don't know. Who else?

Oh, Violet, lovely. That's an M. Mama. No leather, no lace. That was vinyl. That was vinyl. It was vinyl. But I love the bondage.

I love the... I mean, it was literally that John. Willie pin-up. Like, it was a picture-perfect. I mean, she really, for 21, had so many references. It's crazy. It's crazy.

She looked fabulous. Fabulous. Her competence with presentating on the runway was presentating. Higher than all of ours. Yeah, her comfortability with presentation. Presentating. She was be presentating.

She was, it was fly. I mean, again, she's just like, for, again, no Google, no nothing. She had these fully realized looks with clear points of view. She was really a special. And good present. And good presentation. It wasn't just a look that she had a good presentation. Now, I have to, like, record scratch everything and ask you because I was not there.

What happened with Max? Okay, so... In your memory. In my memory, it was cringe. So, she said, something was going on with her corset where she became uncomfortable. Okay, I'm going to try to not just make things. It was not good for her. It was not a good look for her.

she it was kind of like wasting time like she needed to take a break like okay that's fine she i guess she was maybe feeling something really uncomfortable with her corset and i guess she she um took a little break she took a moment but then she started singing and it was like she was taking up her corset all you guys heard no no no it was a pop y'all pussy like this yeah no and i think ru made a joke or Rue was taught... There was some kind of prompt about Judy Garland. I don't know.

Okay, Max told me, I think I remember Maxx in, that Rupal said, while you're down there, why don't you sing a few bars? Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a joke. And then Max did, I think,

as kind of a joke, but that didn't play that way on TV. No, and also, it was like, like... It made her look on Hitch. I think that the subject of that comment was, hey, why don't take all the time you need down there. It's not like we're just,

filming something that was the that was the vibe because she was like mary we're filming a show max said don't make me sing and they throw a cape or they throw a cane and a top hat it was like yeah because we're standing in five inch heels uncomfortable waiting critiques like critiques like it was inconsiderate and it was a little self-indulgent but i don't think that it was intentionally no no of course not but but it just looked nerve yes it was nerve to be yeah it was nerve to be yeah And honestly, this is not any weird thing to any editor. That's a weird way to edit that. I know.

It's a weird way to edit that. And you have to know that you're making someone look like it cracked. I have had moments not exactly like that that have been completely edited out. Right. And we'll do again. Yeah. No, but I mean, I've had humiliating moments. I dropped the fan in Reggie Rochu on the second take.

In All Stars. They could have included that and made me put me in the bottom. him or whatever. In All-Stars 3, I had to pie someone on the face and I, the first time I dropped it. There you go. And I remember dropping and thinking, I'm going to lose. Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, I've said really bad, you know, whatever.

Like, there's a lot of choices that the editors have to do and they make their choices and whatever. But it was not a good look for her, I think. Yeah. That's the end of the. But honestly, as far as runway looks, if this is your weak one, Max really is Gorgina. And polished and with the point of view at that age is truly a spectacular. She was about Violet's age, like 22, 21. Mama, I was 32 with that wig.

Love it. Both, no, both wigs. Both of them. There was two. Yeah. So the lip sync starts, it's Jaden Dior Fierce, our sister who lands in the bottom, against Max. This is Jaden's third time lip syncing. This is like, uh, no, second time lip syncing.

This is like, uh, wow, where did I describe the imbalance of power here? Jason Kelsey turning to Taylor and saying go along. I don't understand any of that. Jason Kelsey Oh, okay So it's Travis Kelsey The football player Turning to his girlfriend

Taylor Simpson saying go along Yes yes yes yes And she's like Yeah And Taylor you know she has the guitar On the sequence She jumps down in the stage Right

She's like I don't have time for this I'm going to someone's house To surprise him with Christmas gifts I'm re-recording my own music I can't do this right now You know? Yeah apples and oranges So

It's just not the song for Max No And Jaden's a Jaden was a play Nashville girl Yes They do what Eight numbers a night

Mama sweetie baby darling Jaden is a great lip singer And that song You say I love me You love me But I want you to know It was a sister tune

Yes It was a sister tune I wouldn't pick it for Max In the clubs No not not for that Tall gangly white man For Max I would pick From The Shining

Midnight and the Stars and you You know I wouldn't pick that Or if it Batter up Hear that call. The time has come. Yeah, or like a Gaga ballad or I don't know. Yeah.

And Jaden will be grand. You'll be great. Gonna have the whole world on the plates. Yeah. Totally. Totally. We got to go. We got to go.

But shout out to Max. Jaden lives another day. Yes. And Max, honestly, for seven episodes, great run. This is her first time in the bottom. You got nothing be ashamed of boo. Of course, the episode ends with the, bomb that Roos bringing someone back. I'm like,

Motherfucker. I had no idea who was going to be. All I know is that that means that it's going back in time. You have to understand from a competitor point of view, you realize you're now going to stay in extra day. Because when Morgan came back on AllStars, I remember being on receiving end of that and being like, now we're staying another day. Yeah.

No shit. And I was like, okay, so now I'm definitely number whatever. Now that could be, you know, I mean, it's that you don't necessarily advance. And you didn't know that I was behind that curtain holding in a big mess of diarrhea ready to squirt. And you didn't know that I was back there. They had me one of those... Double-fisting dirty diapers.

Yeah. They had me in one of those beauty pageant isolation headphones because I couldn't hear you guys. But I had big potty and it was wet. And I was standing back there, clenched, just waiting to walk out on that runway and just flood the girls. You're coming through the curtain, butt first, butt first, blowing. Just blowing. Bye. Blowing.

Bye. Bye.