The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - The Exceptionally Erudite Courtney Act (Part 2) with Katya

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

If you've been waiting with bated breath for Part 2 of the epically excellent interview with Australia's best export Courtney Act, you can finally breathe again. Here is part 2 of their fabulous conversation about the evolving definition of femininity, the marvels of meditation, and the exorbitant number of downsides of widespread child literacy. Start building your credit up. Open a Chime Checking account with at least a $200 qualifying direct deposit to get started. Head to: https://www.chime.com/apply-debit/?ad=podcast_bald This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.Betterhelp.com/BALD and get on your way to being your best self! Follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel Follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo To watch the podcast on YouTube: http://bit.ly/TrixieKatyaYT Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast If you want to support the show, and get all the episodes ad-free go to https://thebaldandthebeautiful.supercast.com If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast To check out future Live Podcast Shows, go to: https://trixieandkatya.com To order your copy of our latest book, "Working Girls", go to: workinggirlsbook.com To check out the Trixie Motel in Palm Springs, CA: https://www.trixiemotel.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This next project that I'm working on, which I feel like when you're like, oh, this is like a secret idea that I'm working on and pitching to tv people at the moment but i may as well talk about it yeah is this this idea of like courtney act on a television interview show but i'm talking to like focus on sport speaking to like national sports stars probably not in the u.s but he's a gay um but like in the UK like footballers Cristiano Ronaldo Christian I thought you said something else yeah yeah I thought you said Cristiano Ronaldo and I thought it was like a yeah Cristiano Ronaldo um like people whose names we don't know because they're big sports stars we don't know who they are David Beckham no I don't know. Maybe not. I mean, ultimately, yes. I'd be OG metrosexual. Totally. In that voice.

Uh-huh. Hi, how are you? That's a gag to the patriarchy. Yeah. That's why they don't let him speak. No shit, because he sounds like a fucking 12-year-old girl. Kate Moss,

they don't let her speak. Not for that reason. She sounds like that? No, because she would say things like nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. Oh, but yeah. But I mean, David Beckham's voice, the quality of his voice is shockingly soprano.

Yeah. Not soprano, but. Mezzo soprano. Contralto. His songbird mezzo soprano. But then, even in that, right, we're now participating in the idea of there being something wrong or less than about that because we're like low it's like bird-like voice oh right because the ultimate humiliation is feminine to be feminine yeah yeah but i think like some sort of like a show where i uh do like a cultural exchange with

like sports stars so i interview them on entry and on exit. And then in the middle, I go through some sort of like big brother-esque, like short control period where I'm like cohabitating with them for like maybe three days. And they're teaching me. Is this like a forced feminization type of thing? It's a forced masculinization thing for me. Oh, they teach you how to play football and you teach them how to wear heels? No, I'm not going to teach them how to wear heels because I've, I've did that. We did a pilot in Australia on Channel 10 called Courtney's closet where I put like

that. Yeah. That I know a straight man in drag and there was something that's just something about putting straight people in drag that felt like it's the closest that I have ever understood cultural appropriation where the, the oppressor was putting on my identity as a costume to sort of have. And even though it was respectful and even though I was doing it, it felt a bit like. It's strange.

Yeah. It's strange. So I thought like, I've grown up with a complicated relationship to masculinity. I finally resolved the feminine and now I'm ready to embrace the masculine. And like, I wanna know how to be a man. Oh my God.

Because I've pushed against it my whole life. Yeah. And now I've actually been finding like, like going to the gym and being like, Steroids. I have a fast track, the three episode arc. You get on a cycle, the most aggressive T of testosterone. Yeah, huge cystic back knee.

My voice finally drops. I'm like, good day, my name's Courtney Act. You're convicted, arraigned of like, huge cystic back knee. My voice finally drops. I'm like, good day. My name's Courtney Act. You're convicted, arraigned of like, you know, 17 murders because you're just killing people. But now we're playing

into the stereotypes again. We're trying to disassemble the stereotypes. You're just, no, yeah. I mean, it would be, it is fascinating because, you know, this kind of thing plays out

a lot of times in the gay subculture yeah with because and it's that super like literally roided out everybody's on a cycle here in la um roided out over like hyper sexualized buff big hairy you know like virile yeah um but then also like a gutless bottom yeah and like you know like in um like a supercharged feminine like bomb receptive energy yeah they're doing both yeah they're doing like the most have you noticed that i've just been thinking about this that and i do think that drag race is responsible for the shifting of gay men's uh self-loathing when it comes to femininity where gay men are more inclined to

perform like enact femininity these days and still be found sexy like there's this era of like straight muscle guys wearing like feminine yes thongs thongs and lacy things it's probably just that they found a new way to show off more muscle but that part but there is a there is a embracing of the feminine even if just a whisper yes and it's definitely a far cry from like the the honcho you know handlebar mustache lumberjack yeah like you know i could kill you with my paul bunion type of thing. But, you know, but I still find that like gay guys are less likely to root for other gay guys. They can root for drag queens. They will root for the girls or the dolls or whatever,

but they won't, they're not like, I don't know. They're a tough crowd still. Yeah. You have, like, if we think about pop culture, we have like Sam Smith and Troye Sivan. Adam Lambert. Adam Lambert. But even Adam, I don't think that his audience like if we think about pop culture we have like sam smith and troy savan adam lambert adam lambert but even adam i don't think that his audience is predominantly like middle-aged straight women i believe yeah like yeah i don't i don't like he's not supported by the queers jake shears has been

supported by the queers yes but that was part of an ensemble yes at the beginning and that was very like that was kind of b-52s energy ish you know i mean like um god i love this is this but who's the i do too like but george my who would be the george michael of today i guess it is it is it sam smith are they kind of like the they to me like little nas x sam smith right kim petras choice of arm they're the four the the holy the four horse people of the queer apocalypse the four whores people of the queer apocalypse they they certainly are harbingers yeah to some to many so we i i think little does x is so devastatingly attractive and the things that he's done and the the way we kind of went from like socially acceptable,

let's play nice for the straight people to lap dancing the devil. I'm going to tell you how many dicks I sucked this morning. Yeah. Like in this song. Yeah, it's pretty it's wonderfully unapologetically gay. I mean, what's the Kim Petras slut pop? Treat me like a slut little dirty bitch. I love to fuck.

Throat goat. You should have seen Throat Goat. She performed Throat Goat at the Sydney World Pride at the Rainbow Republic Party. And we always have sign language interpreters. There was like a big screen for sign language interpreter and like Throat Goat or whatever it is. Stop it. It's totally upstaged Kim. Even for me, I have to clutch my prose a little bit because it's like, I'm like, that is so vulgar.

I know. It's so vulgar. It also, I also have a moment of like, we don't talk like that in front of the straight people. I know. It's like dinner. It's like, oh my God, you would never go to your friend's parents' house and talk about, you know, you never believe how much cum was coming out of my ass the other night.

It's like, ugh. I saw Strange Loop, the musical on the West End. And it was like, and there will be butt fucking. And it was about like hot loads. And I was like, oh my God, this was it was about like hot loads and i was like oh my god this was on broadway this is in the west end we don't talk like this in front of the straight people whatever happened to innuendo yeah double entendres but i think that could be like my generational sensitivity about like and i love that these people are unapologetic because the

people for me who are the biggest inspirations in the 90s were the spice girls and madonna and they were unapologetic madonna i'd like to direct your attention to something that needs directing to the song about eating pussy essentially but it's like go down where it's warm inside and i think that's like where all life begins and they're like if you don't if you're not paying attention you're like what is she talking about? And it's so like, it's such a bad song. But it's like, you know, it's just like nowadays it'd be like, I want to eat your pussy and slurp on your lips and have you come in my mouth and I'm going to drown in your pussy juice and like all that stuff. Yeah. But yeah.

Yeah. But I love that these this new generation are unapologetically queer. They're doing it. Yeah, they really are. I new generation are unapologetically queer. They're doing it. Yeah, they really are. And successful. I guess drag is unapologetic as well. I don't think, I think it's getting quite apologetic, to be honest. You know, we have to, ever since the grooming allegations started,

and we have to be role models for children, and we have to be like cutting ribbons at supermarket openings. Well, it's weird because I've always done that. Yeah. You've done everything. i've always done that yeah you've done everything you've literally done everything well it is the the the i i it's i've been having this like just thought in the last week where i'm like it's particularly in australia in the uk i'm like the one of the good ones like i will be on a news panel program or reading a book to children

on television be a newscaster yeah like weather Like Weather Girl or like Diane Sawyer. Which to me is like, um, not unapologetic. It's almost like, but I think it's more who I am. Like, I think just at my core, I'm like milky white beige. Like, no, you're just, you're just, you're, um, you're fucking Christiane Amanpour. You're like, tonight at 11. Like that's you man it's like oh my god but yeah it's like this interesting thing where i'm like i'm i'm allowed into these

spaces to do these things because you're so pretty and but there's something like socially acceptable about who i am which is it then makes me angry that like other people that i yeah well listen you know what i'm saying you You're white. You're gorgeous. You're articulate. You're educated. Thank you. You have age-defying skin. You are Beyonce.

Thank you. But that's all going to, that will all come to a- It's a slippery slope. Yeah. Any day now. I'm just waiting like- TikTok. I'm like, I'm looking at Instagram waiting for it.

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You won Dancing with the Stars. I didn't win. I lost that twice. You lost? Yeah, I lost my original season and I lost all stars. You did so fucking well on it though. It was so fun. Was it hard?

It was so hard. That's what, me and Trixie were talking about that. It seems so difficult. You do five weeks of training with your dance partner. Goodbye. Before you've begun. No, but I think you would love this. You love physical. Oh, I think so. I love physical things up to a point.

Yeah. You know, the rehearsals in heels, no way. You don't have to wear the rehearsals in heels, no way. You don't have to wear the heels all the time. But what was really interesting is that it was five weeks. I had nothing else in my schedule for the 17 weeks of the show, basically. There was one Mardi Gras performance. 17 weeks.

Yeah, because it was like 12 weeks of the show on TV and five weeks of rehearsals. Oh, shit. And I have never been able to like dedicate myself to anything that long and intensely. And it was like from, I don't know, 10 till 4, we would rehearse like for six hours a day. My dance partner, Josh, was amazing. And one of the most important things I learned from that is that he was the leader and I had to follow. Yes. And building trust over that five weeks and then getting to the dance floor.

And both of us, like on the first performance we did, he said that our performance monsters saw each other for the first time where we'd been rehearsing, but like now I was in drag and he was there and we were both like, ha! And like the look in each other's eyes and the connection, he was like, oh, I can trust you. And I was like, oh, I can trust you. And I was like, oh, I can trust you.

And then just to let go and be like led by this man through all of these dancers was such a powerful lesson that like, I don't have to hold on with both hands constantly so tight, never slipping, not even for a minute. Let go, Courtney. That's the, having that like unique uh what do you call it the focus like the one thing to focus on that does sound very yeah so luxurious attractive yeah but the you didn't get injured um maybe i like a little cracked a rib on the contemporary dance number but it it healed well enough for me

to continue and my body was sore i was in in pain, but it was wonderful, it was really inspiring. And then the second season of All Stars was a much shorter time period. We shot that not in real time, but. And how long did, when you do the numbers, do you run through them more than once or just that's it? You run through them once for the live show. And that's it.

But you get like a camera blocking the day before, a dress rehearsal, like a run and then the oh that's good on the night and also oh god it's like not like drag race where they just literally grease you up and throw you out onto the it's like what the fuck move up that sippy side yeah yeah yeah yeah kick her down the hill see if she fall you know whatever oh my god um so what would you what do you what do you what would you do that you, like what do you want to do that you haven't already done? Well, I kind of, I really would love to do,

I don't want to be on any more reality shows. I would like to be on a show that like, like of my own, like this sort of like how to be a man kind of idea where I get. The green table. Yeah. Yeah. The blue table. Yeah.

Binary. The purple table. Where I get to like um i my kink is like in my own small why do you have to bring it back to kinky group like sexual grooming stuff this is classic grooming they they throw in we have a topic you know we're talking about politics and then we talk about using sexualized language exactly desensitize you to the idea of political reform exactly she's unlatching the door and she's yeah unraveling it well thankfully you're not a minor you're a full-grown adult and we're allowed to have adult conversations as adults with each other i suppose you're right and

that's the thing there's things that we wouldn't do in front of children that we would do when we're having a private conversation or a public conversation that's the absurdity and i want this last thing i'm gonna say about grooming um that i'd hate kids yeah and most drag queens are either neutral or or quite ornery towards them there's really no place for them it's like you encountered them maybe once at your sister's house or a family reunion or on the sidewalk or whatever but that's about horrible horrible things i don't want to read to children i don't want to read to children i don't want to read period i can't even finish this book that i have on my bedside like i don't it's crazy none of us wanted to read to children

it was like rainbow family saying what would be cute is for our children to have somewhere to go that was kasha davis reading like good night moon yeah but it's like what is this it's about like sparking the joy of reading and creativity and children oh please it's about no but i mean that's like i think how it came about right is that we were like well we're clowns work we're like kids love sparkly stuff like let's read them a book and then it actually went well and parents were like oh we really love this because our kids really enjoy coming because you're colorful and you're excited yeah and then somehow it got twisted into something that it wasn't well i mean i remember when i was in fourth third or fourth grade very young we had to take the little kids out to the bus and one one of the little kids asked me was like are you a boy or a girl and it shook me to my

core and i think that's why i do drag i was like i was this person really doesn't know because i was very androgynous and i was like it was a very like disconcerting question did it feel like an attack even though clearly it was innocent yeah oh yeah it felt like a um like a um it felt confrontational and almost like oh the jig is up like how like like what are you yeah yeah like and i'm like which one of these two boxes are you supposed to be in because i can't tell which one yeah and i think if had i been born 20 years later i think i might be looking at a different shell. Do you know what I mean? But in any case, yeah. I mean, oh God.

I don't know. Yeah, I think that question is so interesting. I remember that like, are you a boy or a girl? Why is it so humiliating then? Now, of course, the ultimate compliment. The ultimate compliment. If I get like, you know, if I don't get clocked, which is... Not a soul can clock.

Many souls can clock. But that would be the ultimate compliment. But I think it's because we've resolved our struggle with the gender spectrum or the gender binary or like the misogyny of this patriarchal society. I mean, I don't think I, every time I think I've got it like wrapped up and resolved, something pops up and I'm like, oh, wow, I am really fucking backwards. I was reading a little thing about,

what's her name? Judith Butler. And I'm talking about Simone de Beauvoir and how she thinks that, you know, sex has certain biological, you know, imperatives. But then gender is created or chosen or you choose to be or one becomes a woman. And I was like, yeah, I mean, of course.

And also, like, I just don't I don't get why. Like, why the... Fixation? The violence. Oh yeah. That's the thing that's really perplexing. Yeah. Like I can understand being confused.

I can understand being like, like, huh, not understand. But then why the, I don't understand this, therefore I want to like kill it. Well, look at your responses in grade in grade four before you were aware of anything it was already so imbued in you yeah that you had to conform to one of the other that when in someone innocently asked a you a boy or a girl you felt attacked attack and when you're under attack like when communication ends all we have left to do is fight and so when you've removed being able to have rational

conversations from the table and the thing is is that um i heard um uval noah harahi talk about this um in a in a talk where he said like historically um these people have the guns men and power and a symbol of that and they still do so if we're if we're taking um discourse off the table and we polarized it where we're no longer able to talk, then all that's left is violence. It is so embarrassing that we still have war. It's like globally, like, you know. It's a moneymaker, but that's why we have war. I know it is.

But it's like the fact that we have all these resources and there's clearly enough to like to allocate to everybody. Right. I feel like in a few hundreds, thousand millennia, you know, the next version of whatever we're like, those earthlings. Yeah. They're real fucking dumb. Isn't it wild to think that like there's enough for everybody? Oh, more than enough. And that we could all live happily, but we're like, but we're not.

No, no. But that's where, that's where I want to take it back to your Vipassana. Oh yeah. So my brother is big into meditation and he was talking about, one of his teachers was saying that everybody has an idea about how to change the world but nobody wants to change inside and if everybody did that would be good yeah because we're not not the world is not going to change no we're not going to it's not going to be a utopia overnight no but we can change it in small incremental ways and for me vipassana it's a it's a form of meditation. I heard about it on like an Oprah Soul Series podcast.

Super Soul Sunday. Yeah, Super Soul Sunday, which was like too esoteric to be included in her TV show. Totally, yeah. And she was interviewing a woman called Jenny Phillips who made a documentary called The Dharma Brothers. And it was about like a prison in Alabama with like death row prisoners

where they introduced a Vipassana uh meditation course inside meditation yeah seeing reality as it is not as you want it to be um but vipassana means to see things as they are i think yes you are right yeah so yeah form of buddhism anyways so it's like it's like um this meditation practice it's like literally just a meditation practice that apparently the buddha uh said like this like apparently like the buddha was like i'm not a god he was essentially an atheist from what i can gather yeah and he was like I just sat here under this Bodhi tree which is a psychedelic tree my no meditated until he was enlightened yeah and this process of meditation was about observing your sensations observing the

present moment and accepting your reality as it is not as you want it to be so to do that you essentially just sit cross-legged for an hour at a time for 11 hours a day for 10 days without talking without communicating as best as you can in noble silence and you focus on your breath for the first three days you're just feeling your breath come in and out of your nose and you're trying to observe it because your breath is happening right now in this present moment it's's always present unless you're dead, in which case you don't need to meditate because you've transcended to the next realm. You're free.

When did you go insane? At what point? Day eight. Are you serious? Not day three, not day two. No, day eight. Day eight was when, so it was 2009, I think, my first one. And I had broken up with my boyfriend i was heartbroken i had a

broken leg i went to canada like a gay ski week came home and was like well i can't do anything i may as well just go to the blue mountains and meditate that you know that is a very that's a very courtney act solution solution yeah it's like other people would maybe haul up in a motel and drink themselves to death so okay so day eight day eight i went back to my room you get like a little like dorm well it was i had a little private room because i had a broken leg which was lovely because usually the first time is have to be in a dorm um and i remember like you don't have any books you don't have any reading you don't have any writing you don't have anything books, you don't have any reading, you don't have any writing, you don't have anything to distract yourself. No phone. No phone. You're just, you're meant to constantly try and be as present as you can,

even when you're not meditating. So if you're walking, you're just thinking about walking. You're trying not to think. Right. Which at that time, I really thought like, I think therefore I am. And what I came to understand through meditation was that there's something beyond my thinking mind.

And it's the thing that is able to observe that. And it's not something that can be put into words because, I don't know, does your, when you think, are you thinking in language? In like talking, like you talking to yourself in your head? Sometimes. Because I think I do. I think I'm like having a constant narrative in my head. Yeah, I used to talk out loud when I was younger younger you know alone yeah i still do yeah and so i this is literally my theory i don't know whether this is someone can poke a hole in it but language

verbal communication is inherent in humans because all humans use language to talk. But language itself is a construct because every language is different. And I thought, oh, I'm talking to myself in like English in my head, but actually that feels like it would probably be quite limited. And I kind of had this aha moment where when I'm able to just observe my sensations on my body and like the present moment that maybe i transcend that thinking mind and there's something behind it and vipassana so am i going too down the well no i'm loving it i'm loving it and vipassana um there's this idea of um sensations on your body people think that um uh what happens is you you you see someone that you don't like and then you have a

reaction based on past conditioning and then based on that reaction a um a chemical reaction happens in your body like you get hot you get angry you get tense your face swells up and based on your understanding of that sensation is how you then react you're like i hate that person and so vipassana is about observing the sensation observing the chemical reaction that occurs and rather than reacting to it instantly based on past conditioning you just observe it you observe the sensations like oh wow i'm hot my heart's beating okay rather than reacting and throwing something at their head i can just breathe and observe it and realize that that was a transitionary state and that everything passes.

And that if you can remain, the word that they use in Vipassana is equanimous, which is such a, it's not a word that I had heard. And so like, and the guy has an accent as well. And he's like equanimity. Equanimity. And I'm like, I think I know what that means. I'm like day eight, I'm like,

oh, I'm almost sure I know what he's talking about. How would you define it? It's remaining balanced. I think remaining like, and you're in pain when you're sitting there like the 10th hour of the day and you're cross legged. No fucking shit. Your back is killing you.

No shit. And you think, oh, I will, my line that I would say to myself is, sitting there like the 10th hour of the day and you're cross legged. No fucking shit. Your back is killing you. No shit. And you think, oh, I will. My line that I would say to myself was, are you gonna die? And I was like, no. And I'd be like, okay, we'll keep sitting here. And I was just like in intense pain.

I was like, I have to move, I have to move. Are you gonna die? No. No. No, R and R. No. I'd go back to focusing on my breath um and i remember like one session of my most recent one i met i sat completely still without moving a whisper for like 90 minutes

in meditation in intense pain but like just things that yeah equanimity just remaining a quantumist to the pain observing it accepting your reality as it is not as you want it to be yeah i mean because it's like they're just, they are just sensations. Yeah. And you're not going to die. No. You can just observe them.

And if you do, you're dead. And you're dead. Easy. But I think it's like, it's not for everyone either. And I understand that. I think meditation is for everybody. Or rather, creating the ability to, you know, create pauses between things and reactions.

You know what I mean? Like, and widening the scope of observation of our thoughts and our actions. That's for everybody. Yeah, awareness. You know? Yeah, awareness. And also, like, the ability to sit still.

Yeah. Unencumbered, without entertainment, without. Yeah. Mindless phone. Do you take the phone in with you in the bathroom? No. On the toilet, yes. Really? I don't take it into the bedroom at nighttime. Like when I'm home at like 10 o'clock, I'll plug my phone in, in the other room.

And then I don't look at it again until morning. And like, I don't pick it up and look at it again until morning and like I don't pick it up and look at it in the morning. That was a great thing that I implemented during lockdown actually. Really, yeah, I mean those kind of habits are crazy. So how many, these are 10 day retreats. How many have you done?

Four or five, I think I just did my fourth or fifth. And so while I was in there, I was being discussed in the national media. As the groomer. As the groomer by this conservative senator. Yeah, she's grooming. Grooming world peace, you fucking bitches. And then I get out and I have a text message from Wendy, my manager, saying, don't go on social media.

They think you're butt kids. Until you talk to me kind of thing. And I was like, oh, my God, why? And I wrote back, hero or villain? Both. And then Mitch had sent me a message and had sent me the video. And I sat there watching the video of the Senator

in the Senate discussing me. And I was like, I could not be in a better place to receive this. No shit. I watched this video and i remember feeling like the blood like it almost felt like it rushed from my feet like the heat came from my feet through my body like my my my chest got tight like my neck got thick like it was like red and hot but i was just sitting there like observing it like i was in peace and i was like, huh. And just like feeling all of the sensations of my body.

And I think weirdly in that moment, because I didn't react to it, because I just experienced it sort of fully. Yeah. It kind of like ended there in a weird way. Like I think that had I had all this been happening, had I been in the real world participating in real time, I would have been going back and forth and reacting to and that and I was just like oh now you're finally able to accept that you're a pedo you know oh god I would like to distance myself from

that's the soundbite we'll use as a national trinket who is discussed in the national media like you get the you get the scandalous news delivered while you're literally like As a national trinket who is discussed in the national media, I would like to distance my self from... Like you get the scandalous news delivered while you're literally like floating on a lotus flower. And the, you know, my God. Do you like chanting? I don't do all that. I just literally sit and breathe. And that's the other thing.

I think like statues of Buddha and all of this, like I don't do any of that. I don't believe in anything. I'm an an atheist i don't believe in star signs i don't believe in oh yeah i that's a topic for another day horoscopes god sometimes when i bring that like you can't bring that up it's like more la nope what star sign are you i just say aquarius yeah and then we'll leave it at that and we'll leave it at that and they'll be like oh well that's why you're right oh okay what's your rising side well let's not talk about that yeah yeah yeah oh my god but yeah for me meditation is simply about like breathing observing and uh in a world where your brain is rushing around all the time it's so lovely like

once a day to like sit down focus on the present moment and the more that i do that the more consistently i do that the more i'm pulled out of that sort of like toxic thinking world of like the either or and i'm able to just be present and like make choices from a non-reactive place um so we're gonna on that note we're gonna start wrapping up um uh so do are you familiar with the infamous interviews of tyra banks and um beyonce where she was like slasher fierce not tyra and tyra and tyra banks and beyonce so tyra banks had a talk show yes yes yes terrible she would do these puns where like she would make a pun of um so I was like, say on say. Like, are you, did you ever talk to dead people? And then she'd be like, slosh a fierce.

When was the last time you got a little tipsy? Unhinged, unhinged. So I want to do a couple of those for you. Courtney Fract, would you ever purchase the mineral rights? Would you ever purchase the mineral rice would you ever sell the mineral yes and then talk about it on an npr podcast called fresh air fresh air courtney stacked um how much money do you have in your bank account i thought you're gonna talk about my physique well that's courtney racked um how'd you get them pecs so perky i had sex with a gentleman recently and out of drag and whilst we were in the throes of passion he said and i quote

nice chest and i was like how the fuck did you see so deep into my soul and know exactly the words I needed to hear to validate my existence on this night? Oh, I thought, I thought he was going to say nice tits, hon. Nice tits. You got a nice rack there.

It's the equivalent of like nice tits. Well, you know what? That's, that is the unifying thing. Men love breasts. Yeah. Men,

gay men love, obsessed with pecs. Straight men. Everybody, you know what? That is the unifying thing. Men love breasts. Yeah. Men, gay men, love, obsessed with pecs. Straight men. Everybody, everybody, these, it's just a thing. I don't think I'd thought about it that literally. I mean, they're tits. Do you think gay men love tits because of their life-giving qualities? And also, it's like, I don't know what it is but it's the secondary sex characteristic

something that it just carries over it's a universal thing I don't know on that note drive me wild you get small tits you get big tits

whatever yeah nice nice chest nice chest yes the Midian grinder complimented me on my pecs the other day and I was like

how did it feel it felt it felt really fucking good it felt like a man finally but it's if you ever like one of um i mean that's how simple gay men are like your beanpole one day you go on a cycle you get it write it out and then you go to the gym six months and now people are paying attention i will admit that i did google all of the steroids and the human growth hormones and the things and all of them lower your voice and i was not willing to compromise my your songbird vocal tones my

contralto you don't want to do like a roy orbison cover um woman nobody walking down the street i think it'd be great it was like a baritone era. I mean, I feel like I've just got who? Oh, a drag queen in Sydney penetration message and was like, wow, this is the best you've ever sounded. Like, are you choosing songs in more appropriate keys? And I was like- Are you finally singing in your range, Flop? I was like, no, I'm wearing in-ear monitors and I can hear myself for the first time.

And I look at my singing in the last few years and I'm like, oh, it actually sounds good more often than not as opposed to the prior 20 years and so I'm like I ain't gonna go on those steroids now and ruin all like have my voice break and start yodeling oh but there's always auto-tune anyways I love listen people and you know give it up for the legend Courtney she's the best most wonderful gorgeous woman that ever happened to be on her you know what I love is that if this wasn't filmed, we would have still been sitting and having the same conversation. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Just a little bit closer. I love you. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming. And thank you for being the beautiful. Thank you for being the bold and the beautiful. And thank you for having me in your gorgeous home. It's all right.

Yeah, I love it. Yeah, happy days. I got the AD tour earlier it's stunning yeah all about 30 square feet of it yeah anyways okay bye Bye.