The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - The Price of Perfection with Violet Chachki

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

The legendary, incomparable, and flawless Violet Chachki talks spiraling from hanger, having an Attitude, and Drag Race memories.  Get ready for immense amounts of shade, lots of reading, and several harsh truths about what it takes to be absolutely perfect.  To follow Violet: @VioletChachki To follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel To follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo To listen to our podcast on YouTube: http://bit.ly/TBATBYT Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And today we have the privilege. The honor. The outrageously wonderful opportunity to talk with the legendary, incomparable, inimitable. No, go on. Flawless, tall, thin, iconic, fashion forward. Show stopping. Show stopping. Record scratching. Who is in a word. Great. Great. Just real fun. iconic fashion forward show stopping show stopping record scratching who is in a word

great great just real fun good great real good yeah Violet Chachki

Violet Chachki I would like to call this wait before you say hello this is a podcast where we talk yeah you just observe yeah yeah

I would like to call this episode the price of perfection I love that that's how you pitched it to me and I was like I can this episode The Price of Perfection I love that That's how you pitched it to me and I was like I can get on board with this It sounds like a Lifetime original movie I'm so happy you could be here

Thank you so much for coming and talking to us You know it's such an honor And a privilege You guys are just so iconic Do you do many podcasts? No but I feel like I should do more i feel like i should have my own you should yeah yeah you should i have a lot to talk i have a lot of complaints complaints you do have a lot of great i just want to just send it's like a psa almost like i just

want to put it out yeah into the void yeah 100 yeah and then monetize it a little ad i think your character is somebody we get the pleasure of looking at and admiring but we don't get the pleasure of hearing enough yeah well i think that's i can't tell if that's why it doesn't work that's why it does work i'm like do i speak or am i just decorative you know what i mean i'm like well wait how which one which one do i go with you know it what I mean? It can't be both. Yeah, I think. Are you just an ornamental? Yeah, a chachi.

You know what I mean? It's like, do I just stick with being just fucking drop dead, flawless. Drop dead fucking gorgeous. Everybody could go home. Dwell it. Or do I spice it up? Yeah.

I show your vulnerability. Yeah. Do I get vulnerable? I think enough people don't know that you're like of course you're beautiful and flawless but you're also you like to make a joke and act like a dork yeah well yeah well the truth is that i'm actually really ugly in reality you guys haven't seen me at home you know they just don't know it's a lot of work the price of perfection yeah it's a lot of work and i don't think people realize how much work it is i mean we complain about it but we don't do what you do yeah but

you guys know i mean i was on set yesterday and i was corseted you know like death defying i'm talking blisters mama pus filled blisters and they're you know they're changing the camera lens they're just taking their time you know and they'll like move you'll be like move something a little step and then like analyze it and meanwhile i'm like can you fucking hurry up and they just don't realize yeah maybe they should be corseted as well maybe the go a little bit faster it's like in movies when somebody has to be naked and the director gets naked too to make them more comfortable you should make the directors being course i'm like you guys should be in full fucking full high wh-hoor drag, fetish pumps, corset, wigged, face taped, and then do your job on top of it.

Yeah. I agree. I think that's great. Or maybe just give them a pair of Louboutins, those pigals, and then just like strap like a space heater to their back. That's literally what it is though. Sometimes it helps to, I think,

sometimes have an earnest conversation with the directors ahead of time saying, if you haven't worked with a dragon before, we are like a ticking time bomb of like, when we call it, we call it. And it's no coming back once it's like, we're done. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I'm like, sweetheart, this is actually for everyone's own good. Because once the eyebrows start sweating off.

It's a wrap. It's a wrap, mama. And then everyone's going to be fucked. And you don't want that. You know what I mean? Like, this is like, not just about me being a diva. Are you sweaty? It is that.

You know, you're not too bad. I get stressed. But you're, but you're, I think with you though, you can't, you can't,

one thing out of place and then it's, it's no good. Well, and then I start spiraling and I'm like, and in my head, I'm like,

these fucking cunts, these fucking bitches don't even do, I do everything. I style this, I did head, I'm like, these fucking cunts, these fucking bitches don't even do, I do everything. I styled this. I did everything. I do everything here. They're fucking eating a hamburger over there and I don't even get to eat because I'm in this fucking corset and I haven't even stopped working.

And I styled this. I art directed it. I did the hair. I did the makeup. I'm modeling. I'm directing. I'm doing the lighting. And these little cunts are over here taking their 15 little break.

And then I get in that headspace in my head and i'm like fuck this and i start getting real bossy and i had a riding crop yesterday and i started pointing with the rider crop like that light needs to be higher this is no longer a prop this is serious it was trunchbull it was full-blown mrs trunchbull how do you get so humble you know i feel like i'm you know i feel like my head is in a real place like a realistic i mean i know i'm my character obviously jokes it's jokes there's yeah it's mostly jokes yeah do you say mostly kind of true sometimes too there's it's a fine line yeah yeah have you snapped when which Which time? How are you asking her if she snapped?

I know. I know that you have. But let me rephrase this question. I'm like, have you guys ever been there when I've snapped? I feel like there's got to be a time. I don't think I have. I don't think I have. The PA on our season I snapped at.

I mean, should we go back, sis? Let's go all the way back. I will say I do remember you having, let's say, you know, none of us have been intelligent before. We're basically afraid of PAs. Terrified. And you really weren't. You were not. You would say what you needed. You weren't afraid to report. Do you know we none of us have been intelligent before we're basically afraid of pas terrified and you really weren't you were not you would say what you needed you weren't afraid of you know what i mean well i was terrified of the producers more so than the pas the pas i was like sweetheart yeah if you don't have a coffee why are you here like yeah sweetheart sweetie sweetie like sweetie yeah where is this let's go even further back where

does this attitude come from i love which one but the attitude the capital a attitude this kind of like um you're not a fearful you're not a person that is you're not afraid to mince words i think love it advocate for yourself body won't let me okay like it will not let me my body won't let me it won't let me lie like I'm if I'm feeling a certain way my body is like just be girl like if you're upset be upset if you're happy be happy if you want to have a kiki then have a kiki but like I'm not gonna be like okay I'm really upset and bothered right now. And just like bottle that in. You know what I mean? Okay.

Yeah. So then it comes out in spurts. And sometimes it's like, but like, whatever. That's the truth. Like, and that's the tea. That's the tea. I love that. We were just talking about sometimes we're on calls and I, I have a hard time hiding

my emotions. Yeah. She does this thing where. So it'll be deadpan. And I'll be like, they'll be like, can you, I'll I'll be like oh yeah let me just do that for you and I just cannot hide it for you for you I'll do it

but we were talking about how I'm not good at hiding it and I was like you know who's the queen of it this whore will let you know I don't even try to hide it but what's the point because then we're just wasting time because then I'm faking it and you're not getting the true reality of what's really happening and then we're just doing this fake back and forth weird thing. I'm like, girl, no.

This is the real tea. I'm not going to be around the bush. Wow. You didn't grow up Catholic then. Shit. Well, no, I did. I think that's why I went the opposite. It's a cliche.

The Catholic cliche. You went dark-sided. Dark-sided! Dark-sided! Gargoyles side Have you ever Have you ever popped off And then And then

Regretted it Immediately Or have you Have you had to Apologize for bad behavior Um I don't know if I Would apologize for it

But I've definitely Regretted certain Things Well there's one thing About popping off In reality There's one thing About

Another thing about Popping off Recording it When it's recorded And it's live Or there's like thing about popping off in reality it's one thing about another thing about popping off recording it when it's recorded and it's live or there's like some sort of thing on my record online of it because then it's like you can't even if you had an ugly moment the ugly moment will live on

forever there is this one clip of you that I'm obsessed with it's the one where you guys are marking your rehearsal for I think work the world and everyone's in about half makeup do you know the clip I'm talking about oh wait maybe everybody's marking it like a rehearsal and

everyone's marking it but like still doing it and you're in like half makeup I think your hair is clipped up and you have the most stone cold like we fucking know the dance why are we doing this and you the way you hit the moves is like I need everyone here to know that I do not need this rehearsal right now.

Well, that is probably exactly what was going through my mind. It was so good. And it's like, it's like five, six, seven, like you like, bam, almost rolling your eyes. Is this like the first, is this like bots though? I don't remember how I saw it, but I loved it. That choreo. Oh my God.

We did a show together. Was that the one with off of TV? Yes. Are you guys triggered? I saw the performance. I've seen it online. Oh, online.

Cause it was right after seven, right? And it was, it was, that was my reigning gear, by the way. That was what my career was for a good while. I think I love about you,

as fierce as you are and flawless, you've sure had these opportunities where you had to really, I mean, you had to get humble because doing that choreography was humiliating. Humiliating. I've never in my life, and it's recorded and it's-

It's on there forever. It's on there forever. I've never been more, and that was the energy the whole time that I was playing. I was like, I can't believe. Every time I look over her, she is. It's hard to feel it though when you know that it's not good.

There's nothing to feel. Yes. There's nothing to feel. And the choreography, God bless the choreographer. Well, she was, I never fault her because it's never. It's not her fault. Don't blame Jean. Don't blame her.

It's not her fault. It's not her fault. But it was like, it was just like. She's looking gorgeous. It's not her fault. It was just an impossible situation. You'd have Sharon who like, you know,

mama, it's blocking. We don't need to be doing a fucking mermaid, a little mermaid parody on stage live. Thank God. Jinx fell down that one time. That's the crowning jewel. That's the only reason I've seen the clip.

Yeah. It's because Jinx falls. She grabs Courtney's skirt and almost tears it off. And then you guys go on professionally or you didn't notice and Adore is sort of doing the moves but staring at the dead body on the ground. It was

wild. It was so funny. I also love, there is this, what did this person say to you on Twitter? You said something and they went well this and you went great. Do you this i think i think that was reset it is i never on you guys are on twitter we are on everything we're on i'm on it i'm on it all she's i love it i'm surprised she's not tweeting right now oh my other hand are you live like i just i is there someone else tweeting in the back room for you right now?

This stays on the social. I'm like, girl, there's a video. There's Twitch. There's video games. There's this. Until they lock me out of those accounts, I will be here. I hate about Twitter. This is a perfect example.

She loves Twitter more than I do. I hate it. Why? Because I don't post things to have a conversation. But you don't need to. Great. Bitch, mama, this does not warrant a response.

You shouldn't follow anybody, though. Bitch, it shows up. Notifications are like, so-and-so replied to blah, blah, blah. I'm like, mama, I don't give a fuck. I'm here to say my piece and leave. Literally I'm like this is not a open the floor for discussion. This is

a statement throwing it into the void moment. But that's what it is. Yeah yeah. You just turn off that notification you keep stepping. I'm like what the fuck are these kids thinking? Like there is no conversation to be had. Yeah. It's a one way. And then there's a limit on the characters and I'm like, well,

what? Oh, now you got a lot of things to say. So, and they don't let you edit. Like you should be able to edit a typo. that's,

that's the thing I hate about. That's the only thing I hate about Twitter. You should be able to edit a typo. Because you can't edit a post. Mama, a picture says a thousand words. Yeah. You prefer Instagram?

I mean, I'm a visual. Yeah. I'm a visual. Yeah. But you can post whole pics on Twitter. Well, see, I have two Twitters. You do?itters you do have a fake one do you have a private one me so i have i was wait you have to so as a young person i have a question me or you um you you you like what is because i don't have

a what do you call it a finsta i yeah what does that mean what does it stand for um friends insta i think oh okay i thought it was fake insta maybe it's fake insta I don't know it was fake it's real hers is fucking fierce it's the worst pictures

of all of us compiled like bad lighting sweating that's like her side hustle that's like her hobby when Kim dies

we're gonna go through her phone we're gonna be like we're not going to your funeral yeah she has some pictures of me. She sent them to me. I'm just so rude. Double chin, acne.

So rude. Busted. I'm talking to you, me at my most. Guess what I'm saying? What I was saying earlier, I'm actually really ugly. If you really truly know. I mean like. You are beautiful.

Thank you, sweetheart. You are. I know that I'm not like ugly in that. You're not Jame Gum, but you're. Yeah. Well, Jamie gum. Jamie. Jamie gum. So you go from Jamie gum to Mrs. Lipman. Very quickly.

Love your suit. Oh you are the OG Halloween illusion of. Yeah you were Jamie. I get ugly too in drag once a year. No you turn it for Halloween. You do. I love Halloween. I love Halloween. dick words yeah i get ugly too in drag once a year no you turn it for halloween you do yeah i love hyra was fabulous too that red that red glitter devil too the whole thing see i didn't even get pics of that no one knows it took eight hours to get that glitter oh i know oh my god i

heard all about it was fucking cool though yeah it was a pro though she's pros aid we've pros aid all over my pro we dyed pros aid red and sponged prosayed all over my body and then pressed glitter into the prosayed. Now, let me ask you something. Why in the hell? Full body exfoliation. Why in the hell? And being a makeup artist

and a professional performer, knowing what that makeup removal process was going to look like in eight hours, why in the fuck would you ever agree to do that to your body? She's not thinking about November 1st. she's thinking about october 31st that's what i just can't get my head around i'm about to gag these kids i'm about to be the onlyest and well i've seen it done before the glitter and i'm like okay i want i want to do that like

that looks sickening like yeah boom it's cool it is very cool in person it's amazing i just can't imagine without the anchor when violet won bianca had done it that was crazy to see in person yeah it's amazing. I just can't imagine what that shower. Remember when Violet won, Bianca had done it. That was crazy to see in person. Yeah. And she just did the hands and the face. Yeah. You did the whole body nude.

The whole body. Well, I, there's other ways to apply the glitter, I think, but it was on bitch. Like I, I feel like I would still have it on me.

And by the way, I took the glitter off at PEG offices. And I kid you not from that, from November 1st to the day I left, I heard about them finding red glitter in that office. They like billed me for the cleaning. Like they were not letting the red glitter from 2016 go. I wouldn't either.

To be fair, if you came to my house and said, I need to real quick, take this off. I'd be like, we're going to take you out back and hose you off girls Halloween

girls Halloween well that glitter too that the thing about that glitter look is unless you're gonna do pros aid and make sure it is bulletproof and opaque it's not worth doing yeah well that's the point I mean it was it was a moment no one even knows we're talking about because there's literally no pictures of it well just imagine listeners at home.

Naked, full body glitter, titties, red glitter. That's right. You have had probably one of the most illustrious careers. Like, they're modeling the traveling, the goodbye. You have all these people in your phone who all want to book you and have you go to events. No, I mean, look, it's been incredible. Of course. It's amazing.

But I feel like all three of us have. We've achieved our dreams. Well, two of us. Which two? You. You guys. No, we have done totally different. Like, I don't.

I mean, totally different. But like, I think out of all the girls that have been through The Ringer. We're all from season seven. Isn't that crazy? And they're casting 14. 14. But I feel like we're sort of. But you won when you were 21.

Mm-hmm. How do you? What did? Huh. That's crazy, Violet, to think about. How old are you, Trixie? 31. Oh.

38. Oh, wow. What are you now, 27, 26? I'm 28 now. 28. Okay. 10 years older than you. That's wild. Yeah. Have you achieved all your dreams so far? Do you have to have new dreams now? Now, 26? I'm 28 now. 28. Okay. 10 years older than you. That's wild.

Yeah. Have you achieved all your dreams so far? Do you have to have new dreams now? No, I gotta get new dreams. Yeah. I gotta get new dreams. It's not even, I mean, this is obviously not forever, the drag thing. When do you think you're going to quit?

Well, this year kind of fucked my plan up. This is supposed to be like. You're trying to get reamed off the. You should do another big video before. Like do a lot more me Part two A little less me That video was like the best thing I'd ever seen

That's so sweet of you And I'm not going to be honest I didn't see it until Probably sometime after it came out By the time I saw it I was like Does everybody know about this I was just like this is crazy How do you do that though because When I watch your stuff this is the thing i have in my mind all the time is like

i like i know what it takes to put to to arrange into um to operate at that level like i can imagine and it's so overwhelming to me it's so overwhelming just being in that level of drag is so precarious because it's so elevated it's painful, it's expensive and it takes a lot of coordinating I get it y'all know

I get it I get it I get it but the thing that is the most worrisome about it is like, how do you top it? And sustain it. Well, it's definitely not sustainable. Right. But topping it is a nice challenge.

I think I just like the, it gives me something to do. Like, I really do like it. And I like complaining about it, too. Yeah, you do. You know what I mean? Like, I like. It gives you purpose. It gives you purpose. Yeah. And it's nice because and it's almost like the whole reason i started

drag is like well i'm not really it's like i'm not really like into any drag performers and like i love the idea of drag and like you know as it pertains to like vintage drag queens or divine or whoever was going on at the time and i was like you know what i'm just gonna do what i wish other people were doing and that's sort of what motivates me is like, well, why not me? I'll just do it. I fucking love that. That is honestly the reason people should do drag. I was thinking of questions to ask you today.

And one of the things I was going to ask you was like, what are the right reasons for someone to start doing drag? Because you were so young with such a clear vision. I guess that's because you didn't see what you liked around you. I was on Tumblr and I was like, oh, drag is cool. Look at all this weird... That's not why you were on Tumblr.

T is T. She was looking at all types of vintage content. She loved the good old time of Finland. Do you flick the bean old timey photos? Oh, yeah. Oh my God. The old timers photos. Yeah, but I'm from your day. finland uh do you you flick the bean old-timey photos oh yeah oh my god they're like male timers photos yeah but i'm from your day lithographs

i love that yeah that's the ultimate chic thing like i don't even look at porn before before the 40s mama this was so illegal underground illicit they're not even naked loincloths yeah no yeah i definitely i was like hardcore vintage like you said about my apartment before um yeah she lived the lifestyle i lived the the fantasy um and so i was like okay this is cool like seeing cross shots and i was like no one's really giving glam like no i mean it was nicole page brooks in phoenix i was in atlanta i mean i was going out to drag shows and it would be Nicole Page Brooks. No, like Dusty.

I am obsessed with you not doing drag yet, entering the club and looking around and going, well, no one's giving glamour. No, literally though. I was like, well, no one? Like, girl, where's the glam? Where's the transformation? Where is it?

Like, no one is giving me anything here. That's the right reason to start though. Is like, I'm going to do something that nobody's doing because I need to see it. I need to see it done properly. Yeah. Well, that was, I mean, it was a little surprising, certainly humbling to meet you. Because I'll never forget that the first day we did that mini challenge of the spring and fall runway.

And I was like, I remember looking at you where we shared the same table. I need royalties from this. But yeah. Royalties from what? This gif that you're about to talk about. No, no, no, no, no. It's not even that one. It's not even that one.

The spring. Let's talk about the spring. Oh. I love the fall, but the fall, of course. I had never. We talk about this all the time. Until I went on Drag Race, I had never seen drag queens in clothes like that. No, me neither.

And I don't think anybody had done it. Nobody in Boston was fashionable like that no me neither and i don't think anybody had done it nobody in boston was fashionable like that you either had a glamorous showgirl but there was either like flashy showgirl or like never like like her body yeah yeah body suit um cat suit or i had hard with the hip things the shoulder things like it was just oh the squares of fabric yeah the glue yeah the ruffle little thingies yeah yeah that looked like little dinner napkins. Yeah. But nobody had, nobody was ever like, okay,

I'm what's the, what is a couture experience look like in a drag show? Nobody ever did that. All that, all that shit on drag race was never, I mean, I'm actually able to wear couture now and there is a huge difference. And that was all faking it.

I was faking it. Yeah. But I don't, I'm not saying authentic couture, but it has, I had the, the council. Who would wear an authentic? I wouldn't wear it. Maybe it, but it has the look. I had the council. Who would wear an authentic?

I wouldn't wear an authentic. Maybe it's me. Fame. Jacques Cabaret. Fame would. Fame definitely did bring the fashion, too. We had such a great season. I know.

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Maybe nicer. Compared to these past few seasons, her wigs are definitely nicer than RuPaul's current wigs. They were. They were nicer. They had... Incredible. I've never seen drag queens look like you guys. Different. She brought a variation in her hair. I had never seen... She's a psycho. The way she packed.

I mean, it was like so much care. I just remember seeing her unpack her things and it was just like beautiful everything was pin curled archival pieces like pinned and gorgeous and brand new because also she i mean this is no t she wasn't a working drag queen yeah so she was a youtuber she was youtubing i mean i learned drag makeup from a lot of her tutorials which which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you, yeah, I just remember thinking like so intimidated because she, I, I was, I mean that, I was like, $35 wigs I wore out the bag. When she walked in, I was like, well, fuck. We all thought that. We all thought that.

God fucking damn it. I'd never seen someone look like that. And then on top of it, she was also really nice. It was like, well, thank God for that tape though. Girl. Thank God for that tape. And then on top of it, she was also really nice. It was like, well, thank God for that tape though. The clip. Can we talk about the clip?

If you're listening, fame is in Switzerland, nude on a beach. And she's like, and she's like, Eddie, you horse. Think about me.

I'm bathing in sulfur. Swiss chalet right now. Yeah. She's got some sort of gel face mask. I love, this is not a read. Her skin is so in a Swiss chalet right now. Yeah. She's got some sort of gel face mask on. I love, this is not a read. Her skin is so beautiful and she'll do a before and after

at a skin doctor. I'm like, this is the same picture. It's the same picture. It's dry to wet. That's all. Yeah. And she was so nice

and so, we want to talk woo woo, the crystals. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But honestly, like between you and her,

it was like, and some of us contributed a little In Max I like to say that Season 7 was the beginning of the end Is that shade? No it was I feel like after that

It sort of for me at least I sort of kind of started to lose Just a little bit Is this shade towards the next girl? Violet being shady? I can't imagine. No, I mean, it was just, it feels like seasons one through six

are like the core fundamental. They're amazing. What Drag Race truly is about. And then season seven, I think it started to become a bit of a parody of itself. No, I think it was, it turned, it peaked at six

and then we turned the corner or started rolling down the hill. Yeah. I feel that way. I rolled down the hill. Straight down it. Absolutely. Hands across the chest. Yeah.

And also it, I mean, we can talk about a part of why people didn't like our season. And like, you know, when we were in it, when we were in it, of course we were. But now with some perspective, looking back, I'm like, those truly were some of the worst challenges. Oh no, mama, I was there. And I was telling the producers, Mama, these challenges are garbage, Mama. Shakespeare, Merle Ginsburg. I was telling them, I was like, these are horrible.

Yeah, they were. I told them. I'm about to win going, this is horrible. Yeah, this is horrible. Her makeup is terrible. This is awful. These are horribly written. And that's the thing that bothers me the most is they give us, pardon my French, shitty scripts, shitty dialogue.

And they expect us to turn it into some sort of like Emmy winning gold. And oftentimes we do. We do. Yeah. But girl, sometimes you just can't take a turd and turn it into gold. In the words of Chi Chi Devane, turd city. Yeah. Turd city.

I mean, some people like I remember none of that stuff was funny and people like Ginger or Kennedy where they just could read from the phone book and make it so funny. But unless it's written funny, oh my God, Shakespeare, I mean,

it was iconic. Well, you were on my team. Pearl hitting that tree. Oh my God. Pearl hitting the tree. No, you weren't there, Trixie. I wasn't. I was in the other group.

It was. It was, the other group it was it was i mean i was surreal i almost snapped i was it was so hot i remember and i had this cape on and i couldn't reveal my cape yeah until after jasmine got her line out and when i tell you she could not even get and we had to be doing it for 45 like maybe an hour we were trying to get her to do her line like it was surreal and we love jasmine we love it was surreal it for 45, like maybe an hour. We were trying to get her to do her line. It was surreal. And we love Jasmine. We love Jasmine. It was surreal.

It was like a dream. I couldn't believe that it was happening. No, I could. I was, it was the most surreal experience and you can see, I was fuming. It was incredible

because you also, we thought that was gonna be runway. So I think most of us tried to bring runway looks. When I tell you I was hand stoning that like Shakespearean, the bodysuit, everything. I was furious when was hand stoning that like Shakespearean. Exoskeleton. The bodysuit, everything. I was furious when they said it was for a mini challenge. Yeah. Furious. It was wild.

It was so, I was just so happy though. It's like, oh God, thank God these scores are really tanking. I know I'm not going to be in the bottom. Honestly, somehow. I remember Pearl walked in and said, she was like, I'm lip syncing. And they were like, and everybody was like, we were the worst in our group. We were like, well, okay, because we thought it's all bad.'s not funny yeah i just don't those a lot of that writing you you really wonder what is the best case scenario for this because i can't imagine

darling ever they took bring it on and shakespeare and combined them like what and we're and we're supposed to run with that and make it like em winning material. I mean, sometimes it does. I will say it's amazing. Like you said, when people do take bad material and make it work, they're doing heavy lifting. They're really pulling the weight. Like you said, Ginger and Kennedy are great examples of that. Just turn it. Or like, I mean, you and Kennedy, that all I really want Christmas thing.

I mean, it's not funny, but you made it funny. Yeah, it goes to show you how hard it is to write comedy. People shit on art. I think people shit on that season a lot.. I mean, it's not funny, but you made it funny. Yeah. It's, it goes to show you how hard it is to write comedy. People shit on art. I think people shit on that season a lot. And I'll admit it. I'll shit on it. I'm not rewatching that season. I'm not either.

I'm in it. It's weird. Yeah. I'm not watching this. I watched it a little bit in quarantine and it was funny. I was laughing girl. Then because it was just me. And I was like,

look at me go. There is a lot of comedy. Kennedy cracks my shit up yes she's very funny so many clips of her just staring she's falling asleep and untucked

oh my god that's great yeah so okay what so you won drag race at 21 or 2

I think I had just turned 22 that was so surreal you were there yeah we were there New York you were there you were there in rollerblades yes You were there in Rollerblades.

Yes. Wait, no. No, no, no. It was Rollerblades on the red carpet. Rollerblades on the red carpet. That was at stage 47 or something. Stage 46 or whatever in New York. And we all had to do numbers leading up to the top three.

Yeah. And then- That was fun. Remember events? Me and Katya vibed. Kennedy flew through the air. You won and then hung from that hoop like what? I was in the back selling

t-shirts out of drag out of my own suitcase while you were spinning i remember before i went on and got up i just won and i remember bianca was there and she was announcing me and i was about to go up and do this like looking back it's very dangerous like you were so high up in the air and like doing i would never do this today because I literally was performing over an audience. Like I basically swung out over the audience from the stage and climbed up and did a performance over the audience. And it's like, there's no way this is safe. Like looking back, I'm like, that would never go, Pat, like that never worked. I literally went up there, threw it up.

So I'm about to do this crazy shit. And Bianca is like reading me right before, right after I won and right before I have to go do this crazy shit and bianca is like reading me right before right after i won and right before i have to go do this number and i'm like is this bitch for real reading me before i have to get up in the air and do this twirl shit like my god can this bitch shut the fuck up no no no the answer is no she has not paid to shut up she's been paid to let you have it girl i'm about to get up in the air can you like let me have like a little bit of head space here it was amazing yeah that was a great night and also that was

was that when we saw your video Betty for Betty I think it was that moment that song fantastic no I think it's one of the best I know every word top five I think it's one of the top five I don't I only don't include your music because it's country and folk.

That's fine. No, I'm not offended. Okay. No, honestly, like, I mean,

I'm thinking about like club bangers. It's like number one. It's amazing. Right up there with the same part. Thank you. I very much so appreciate that. You should be proud of it. Are you proud of it still?

You should have enduring pride for it. I think I'm triggered a bit because I did perform it on bots with, off of TV. It was that era. That's right. That whole era for me is a little dark and tainted. Did I eat your ass to bed?

That was great. See, that was fun. People taking bad material and making it fun. Literally, we were on tour like this is so lame. It was so demoralizing. We had to do something and then we got in trouble for it they're like you can't do that yeah like you can't do that

again it's a kid's show it's a kid's show you can't do that um so you have to do the parody of little mermaid yeah and this was me reigning and i'm like what like this is not what i signed up for how do you speak of not what you signed up for do you, how do you kind of like, how have you coped with the reality that a lot of times drag is, I mean, the audience is children. Cause you don't have a children's act. It's not for me. It's not for me. I mean, I, I intentionally designed my life to never have to think or deal with children. Like there's, I mean, I just, I love it.

I just, I don't know how else I could have designed my life like what I do not fuck with children I don't fuck with children I'll take your money no animals no children yeah buy my merch

but bitch I don't need to see you at drag con like I don't need to see you here or there everywhere I don't want you to be dressing up in drag

and coming to shows I don't want you to be performing this is my thing you know what I mean like this is my sacred space to do whatever the fuck I want. And that's why I started doing this. You can be your own boss.

You get to do whatever you want. There's no rules. And that is why I chose this. And it's like, leave me the fuck alone. No one cares about your kid in a wig. Okay? I have never been more in love with you right on this moment you can take me to church right now like children give me a break give me a fucking break i know i complain about the mama

until your kid is alone in a wig in the mcdonald's at 4 a.m in perth then we can talk yeah blackout drunk yeah like girl that's the other thing too i got into drag because i also like that it's it's to me at the time i thought it was next to pornography like it's sleazy it's sleazy it's sleazy as fuck and like like my shows it's there's kids there and they're like well there's kids here i'm like well they're about to hear about me licking an asshole aren't they boner killer i'm like dude no like no no no no no no this is not for children. It's so strange. I mean, I've never had, I've never been in a situation in my life where I've had to, I've presented with children and I have to, I mean, I don't even know what to do. Interact or say, yeah. Yeah, like, oh, I don't want to, I don't want to affect them at all in a good or negative way.

I'm like, even my sister's kids, I'm like, yo, I don't know what to, hello, child. Hello. Hello, fellow child. I'm like, are you taking, I'm like trying Hello fellow child. I'm like, are you taking, I'm like trying to push cool. I'm like, do you like ballet? Like I'm trying to like,

you know, give my little positive influence. Like you should take pottery class. Like I've tried to like, you know, be the cool, like artsy, give some little influence.

But I'm like, girl, I don't even, I don't have time for that either. Come back when you're 17. I want to be like you. You're like, you don't have the face for it. I'm like, darling, I don't have time for that either. Come back when you're 17. I want to be like you. You're like, you don't have the face for it.

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Awesome! Transformers 1 only in theaters this Friday with PG. And we're back talking about kids in wigs. Yeah, fuck them kids. I don't care what adults

think of my drag, so I certainly don't care what children think or their parents. No. Girl. That's not why I do drag. People walk out of my shows

with parents with kids often. And I'm like, I don't set an age limit on the show, but I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I'm really curious about that too. Like where the, you know, somebody will say, oh my God, my daughter who is four

is her favorite. I'm like, why me? Your character is literally a Russian hooker. Like, why not Nina West? Do you know what I mean? Like, she does Disney videos. Like, that makes sense to me. A mentally ill prostitute drug addict.

A crack whore. Literal crack whore. Literally. I mean, I get me. I love that they are inspired by the confidence and trying to instill that. Like, great. I love it.

It's a Hallmark movie. But there's other ways to get confidence. That's what I'm saying. Like, get bangs. I got bangs. Do chunky jewelry. Yeah, I mean,

if you haven't been able to instill confidence in your children, you need the help of a cross-dresser. Or a floppy hat. Yeah, floppy hat, yeah. Have you tried

wearing a funky hat today? Say something hat day. Yeah. Say something hat day. What's your favorite thing about drag? I think total creative freedom. Okay. mean i just like i'm a control freak like even i did a project yesterday like i said and they're just they were like trying to micro manage it a bit like there's a client and they have the money and so they want it specific i mean i'm sure you

guys deal with this all the time and they're like just giving notes and i'm like no no no no and the bigger the company the more like waves of meticulous notes it's like a ladder 17 people are like and i'm like and it's the day before and they're like well we don't really think that this and that i'm like darling i don't really care like you guys hired me to do me and this is what i'm here doing and like what this is what it is. I specifically signed up for this career. So I don't have a boss. Like I am the boss. So I'm going to do this and you can be in the room and hit record while it happens. Literally or not. And like, if you guys want to edit whatever, you know what I mean?

Like there's no, no, like I am the boss of myself and this is my career. And like, you should be honored to be able to work with me. Yes. And you know what I mean? A hundred, me yes and because also like drag is already dumb let us have the integrity of saying of having i mean yeah i have a hard time saying stupid shit that other people want me to say i don't mind saying my own stupid shit but it's it's hard to sell a turd like can you just say this thing and i'm like i would never say that oh i'm doing that right now right now. There's some lines people want me to read. And I'm like, I would never say that.

Yeah. I wouldn't say it like that. Say it like this. I will say in my experience, when I do say stuff like that, people are usually cool about implementing it because they're so weird about writing for your character. There's somebody's job to write it. And usually if you go, I would say it more like this, they will just go along with it. Yeah.

Yeah. Or maybe they don't. Although. She doesn't like it. Well, I think it's more about like, for me, it more like this. They will just go along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Although maybe they don't. She doesn't. Well, I think it's more about like, for me, it's the visuals. They're like,

well, we don't, we don't think it should, it should be this outfit or this wig or this, or why don't you want to be blonde? You should be blonde. I'm like, I'm not blonde.

Yeah. Like hire a blonde drag queen. Like what are you like? I, there's so many of us shortage of blonde. You don't do the white blondes anymore. Once in a while. Well,

it's like, there's just so fucking many of us. Have you, you well i don't know if you guys have you're pretty like distinct but i've gotten especially in the fashion world they're like aquaria aquaria over here miss fame miss fame over here and i'm like does that make your blood boil miss fame oh my god it's just the swed Yes. Give us the Swedish photographer. Yeah. Miss fame. Miss fashion. I love watching videos of fame in foreign countries with people who no one speaks English.

And it's her walking into like, I'm sure it's a fashion building, but it looks like a cheesecake factory and she's like strutting. And it's like middle of the day and there's a little paparazzi or whatever. And there's like two little shorter gay people behind her, like trailing behind. And then you see her husband somewhere in the distant back row. And you know she's wearing something chic. But Tim B, it's always like a raincoat. Oh my God, I love raincoats. I'm thinking she's got sunglasses on, blonde hair, slick back, a raincoat, and like a glove and a black pump.

And she's like walking. Beating it. She's beating it. She's somewhere to be. You have to. So I watch you and I watch fame and like these you know uh these instagram stories at fashion week and i know it probably to the to the average person it seems like the pinnacle of glamour mama to me absolute abject torture literally it's actually

hell and i i i'm i tried to pitch it like i tried to start filming it so people can kind of get a more like in-depth view of what it's like but it's literally horrible like it's not glamour well it is think about it seems horrible it's just extreme so there is extreme glamour but it's so it's like the other talent of that is also happening like extreme discomfort stress like it's horrible also you could you could be late you could there's so many things could go wrong you could get not like uh held up at not uh your credentials couldn't go through you could be humiliated there's so many things that could go wrong. You could get held up. Your credentials couldn't go through. You could be humiliated. All of that has happened.

It's horrible. They don't try to assert makeup on you, do they? Oh, no. Yes, they have. It depends. If I'm being paid the big bucks, I'm like, sure, I'll be a model. Do me up. If you're paying the

doll to be literally a doll like but that's in the show right that's either in the show or in a campaign or something like that but otherwise though I'm talking about attending which oh no people will oh that's so you get to go to fashion week you get to go to this show it's work mama it's work it's complete work people don't understand it's literally they're like oh well Violet over there why don't they book her, this other girl for fashion campaigns? She's fashionable too.

I'm like, darling, I have been flying myself to Fashion Week, getting in drag for free, going to all these shows, meeting these people, going out to dinner, going out to clubs,

getting talked to. Brushing shoulders with all these people just to book that one campaign. That seems horrible. Getting in front of these people's faces just so that

you're there yeah he's seen yeah it's like so if the missed thing whoever you're thinking deserves a campaign wants to like hobnob and claw her way you know what i mean let her do it let her do it no one's stopping her bitch i had to hire a publicist which was like tons of money a month it's like a lot of shit people don't even realize goes into it so it's like yeah i may have booked one really great campaign but there's so much that goes into just meeting the rose right people to get you in front of those spaces people just don't think about it tell me you would never succeed are you it was her flying herself and getting in drag for free are you kidding me are you kidding me it's also very very fun like. I think I just like working. I know you love working too. We all work really hard.

She almost didn't come to this. Oh my God. I want to know some specifics because I imagine that I have a bias and a prejudice in my head against sort of quote unquote fashion people. Oh, me too. I hate them.

It's ironic to me because it seems like a lot of these people, I assume are like outsiders or weirdos or, you know, growing up. And then now it's like, they've kind of created this world where there's snobs and they can exclude people in there.

It's both. Is it like that? Are there actual genuine nice people in those circles? There must be. Oh, I've had some amazing, amazing experiences, but there's definitely an elitist and i think it actually maybe stems from being an outsider being a weirdo then you sort of are like

okay well now i'm gonna be yeah tasted their own medicine you know i'm gonna be the cool person now i'm gonna be exclusive and elitist and da da da da da da um so there's both but there's definitely like incredible incredible people and true artists and, there's also just a lot of bullshit. I think Marc Jacobs is lovely. Yeah, he's lovely. He's like the nicest guy and a big drag fan. I love how like supportive of the dolls he is. He's like the number one cheerleader.

And he's also kind of a style. He's had his own style journey. He went from like very long hair, fem boy to like super, super butch daddy. And now he's doing this like chic librarian look chic granny librarian you have to call him a Raja yeah oh very very much so

it's like I am obsessed with what the Raja currently looks like what does she look like now the only Nana she looks like a slutty fashion Nana macrame like um what is it a burner yeah a little bit burning man she does like long middle part burner a bit oh no you're very yoga girl but i'm not like kabbalah spiritual mother type you could be yeah i could be but you could but we want you

so and who who have you had? You don't have to name names or anything. I don't want the gossip. No, you do. Have you had any like, situations where like you've met an idol or somebody you've really looked up to and they have proven to be a total cunt

or like they've shattered your illusions or, you know what I mean? She's like, how many times? Really? I mean, I don't know.

It's hard to say. I feel like I've done that to people can i ask i mean sort i'm assuming dito before you met her was like a huge oh my god and you literally toured with dita yeah and now you blocked her to blocked her on all your socials i believe completely blocked oh for a second i was like oh my god there's drama there's tea call j Yonce call Jake Yonce is cannonballing at his Windows 95 computer right now is it crazy to think

you just have you have a close personal relationship with this person yeah I mean it is she I could just look at pictures of her all day

and sometimes I do she's just such a perfectionist and I like like basically what I was talking about earlier with drag and how like

well someone's got to do it yeah that's what she is for burlesque performers for women i feel like i feel like she's like you know what no one is giving what i would like to see so i'm gonna do it yeah and that's why i really truly respect her um she's just she's really really incredible and wasn't you dita and johnny on that tour, right? Yeah. Yeah. You guys were touring the same, I think it was Moving Parts, it was like three years ago. We were touring the same venues as me,

different nights, so I would see your posters all the time. It's just so surreal. Yeah. I mean. I wish I could have seen you on that tour. It was fabulous. I got to see Dita on New Year's.

This girl last year. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was fantastic. She was great. She's fabulous. When I saw you in work, did you see Work the World? I've only seen it on clips a bit.

Oh, when I saw you in Sydney. Oh, in Australia. Yeah, I was starting my tour like the next day and we went to see you and it was, girl, I love everyone on the tour. You fucking let those whores have it.

You closed the show and you did that Kylie song, I'm the one and you were spinning. Oh, yes, that one. Oh, with that, I don't want to say it's a hat it's like that piece metallic headgear of yours and you were spinning and it was just such a fucking serve it was incredible i love that number that's part of the show i want the one where you go oh yeah the giant dick that one's i that one's really good that is fucking funny the giant dick I know

yeah there was a whole cock and ball like an apparatus it's called an apparatus apparatus it's called an apparatus it's called an apparatus on the metal cock and ball apparatus

aerial apparatus yeah dick and ball torture they did cock and ball torture oh it's so good yeah it's really good I love that one too

it's I've done some cool shit I was like looking back at all my pictures like obviously in quarantine and being like well like did that it's surreal isn't it sometimes because performing seems so far away now so far away it really does and how many days a week do i don't want to take it for granted but you're like when you think back you're like i did that show every night for months when you do that though it gets so it's it starts when you do it over and over again the

same show like how we do on tours it does become like all right clocking in gotta go put on my hard hat yeah isn't that funny especially once you know your number and you're not nervous anymore you have to kind of psych yourself into the show every night a little bit oh yeah no i'm sitting backstage with my fucking bush hanging out eating you know peanut butter pretzels yeah like i think i got five more minutes before i have to get ready like shoving pretzels in my face and being like all right i guess i gotta put this fucking corset on and give it to them yeah it does become mundane work the world is what a cool show though oh my god that show i'm sure you could honey i don't want to do that driving though she says she wants to do it but she

only wants to do about six dates. I was like, that's not going to happen. Maybe four dates. That's what it is, though. Did she get a three-day commitment? Well, some girls get to just leave. I won't name names. Is there a genuine camaraderie among the cast?

I'm sure it depends on who's there. It depends on who's there. Any big-time beefs? You love Kim? We love Kim. I mean, sometimes when I look at Kim, I can look at Kim and we'll just start burst out laughing. Someone will say something just ridiculous and offensive and we'll just be like... That is so Kim. We love Kim. I mean, sometimes when I look at Kim, I can look at Kim and we'll just start burst out laughing. Someone will say something just ridiculous and offensive and we'll just be like.

That is so Kim. She flies under the radar. Like we just kind of let her be like. She really is. She really is. The silent shade. The bully. I love, I like love working on cast.

I love it. I miss it from back home in Atlanta. I think solo touring is. I love it. I miss it from back home in Atlanta. I think solo touring is- It's lonely. It's lonely and difficult. And it's so cliche to be like, I'm lonely in my hotel room. The lonely star.

The lonely star. I'm like, oh God. I feel like that's you though. You're the lonely star. It's me all the time. It's so that. Totally. It's you crying and your friends are like,

you want to hang out? You're like, I'm crying right now. No, I'm spiraling, mama. She's at the and your friends like you want to hang out. Like I'm crying right now. No, I'm spiraling mama. She's at the Montreal. I'm depressed. Literally I'm at the Courtyard Marriott trying to get my Grubhub to work. Just sobbing over some Panera. I'm trying to get Denny's brought to my fucking holiday inn.

Leave me alone. Literally. Okay. So I know that. So who are some of your like contemporary style icons? Since I know you do the, you know, you have always had a thing for retro glamour, but I'm talking contemporary, like living, living legends, divas, dolls.

I know there's someone that I think is, I mean, Amanda Lepore is living. I was just going to say, I think of you like an Amanda where your commitment to beauty is so inspiring. It's like, if this person can do 110 every day, can manage to brush our teeth yeah i mean absolutely amanda is such a committed like i just i respect it so much it's incredible just come with a lipstick and i know wait to scoop that up shout out to you amanda if you're listening lipstick yeah oh She did lipstick? Yeah. Oh. Hi, it's me. I think I'm on the PR list. Amanda Lepore.

Please don't die of coronavirus. Love and kisses, Amanda. I got a cameo from her for my birthday, and she was like, hi, Tritzy. Tritzy. It's so good. Hi, Tritzy. Tritzy. David and I.

Just one day. Happy birthday. She's the best. David and I. Just one day. Happy birthday. She's the best. It's amazing. My old manager had a voicemail on the phone from her saying, Hey, it's Amanda. I just woke up.

I'm going to take a nap. I just woke up and I'm going to take a nap. I love it. No, I am picturing her. I want a documentary about her so bad. Why has that not happened yet? I'm always trying to get David, who did moving parts, because he's like, I want to do an Amanda doc. You really ought to.

I'm like, I want day to day. Her at the grocery store. Her jeweling. Her waking up. Her going to the bathroom. Her at dinner. Her at lunch. Her going out to the clubs.

Her talking on a chaise. Like, I just want day to day, life story, her own words. Did you read a book? No, I didn't. It's's really worth it she says in the first two pages that she didn't write it herself she's like i'm perched in my bed writing with a feather quill then it says like no but it's a good idea isn't it it's in her life story is bananas you have her commitment to like getting her ribs broken and healing so she could be smaller like i've only like hard bits and pieces.

I think you're trying to slow motion, break your own ribs. Well, do you ever get worried about that? Yeah. It's just viscera, right? It's just organs.

Yeah. It moves around. I'm remembering this very clear that in season seven, we asked you a lot of questions about your corset. Cause honestly, none of us had seen anything like that. No. And you said you slept in it for a while.

Well, I was trying to prep for the death becomes her challenge. The corset training. And I was like, oh no, like I'm going to be known as the girl with the tiniest waist, whether I like it or not. What was the final count on that? The final inch count? No.

No, not 12. I think it was 18. It was 17 or 18. Isn't that crazy? I remember it. It was 18. Yes. Do you remember I almost fainted?

And you had blisters the next day. We're talking skin raised, filled with fluid. From the lacing. The ropes. Yeah, the ropes. The lacing in the back. Yeah.

I wasn't even there for that because I was MIA. But when I got back, you still had the blisters. Yeah. We filmed every fucking day. Yeah. People don't realize

it's like you do. I did the smallest place in Drag Race history. The next day, I'm doing the same corset with latex over it. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah.

That was, um, because when we did, we had to walk the runway twice and I remember between walks, you had to like, you got a little, Oh, cause you had to wait.

You did. I was like towards the end and you had to wait for everyone else to go again. Yeah. And then you get to go again. And I was like, mom, I can't wait for all these clowns to walk

take me out of this corset Ellen I can't wait for all these clowns to walk mama just give me the crown when did you think you were going to win you know I because I didn't think you were going to win okay I love the honesty I'm going to win. OK, I love the honesty.

I'm going to say this. I thought it was ginger until Hello Kitty. And I called you the next day and I said, it's you, bitch. I said, you deserve to win. I don't know. Part of me, like when I. When I saw Betty, that's when I knew. No, seriously.

But I didn't think like part of me had an idea when they called me and were like, we want you to audition. I was like, I'm winning it. Really? Like in in the back of my mind like in the very back of my mind I was like oh I'm doing this I'm gonna win and that's it and then it was sort of still in the back of my mind the whole time just faintly there and then I was like maybe I'm not gonna win this like maybe I won't win this because I really didn't showcase anything besides my fabulous personality and my amazing. So maybe I'm not going to win this, which is fine. I might just warm your kind, your generosity, you know, humble heart. The most winning personality.

Very that. So I was like, maybe I'm not going to win this. But then I was like, maybe I probably will. The only time I thought you wouldn't win is only because Ginger truly was able to walk into those challenges and make anything work

but then you I mean once she's a fabulous actress incredible literally amazing actress hilarious can deliver like

yes amazing like hand her the microphone she can do it you're good for three hours yeah she's amazing but like by Hello Kitty

I was like it was incredible what you did I mean you deserved it well at that point i was i feel like i was on like adderall or something my mind was i just remember being so like all right all right god i just like we're gonna i gotta this is my this is my time i gotta like i had done so i won the first challenge i was doing so poorly oh that's right you did win the first challenge great and i had a huge gap and it was just like, I really wasn't showcasing anything. I just remember by Hello Kitty. You didn't do poorly. You never lip synced once, right?

Because everyone was so horrible. That's the great strategy. Just don't be the worst. Don't be the worst. Honestly, on all stars, that is the strategy. Yeah, absolutely. It works for you. Don't put the sign on your back, but don't be in the bottom.

Yeah, yeah. Just coast. I was coasting for a while. Safely to the crown. Do good and then don't win. Like, just do good don't be in the bottom yeah just coast i was safely to the crown do good and then don't win like just do good in the middle yeah oh then we won we went we worked together in the dancing challenge yeah and you did great in despies yep that was cute it was a moment you know what i said about when you won is because certain people when they're on drag race every challenge they complain about what they're not good at. And you, regardless of what you were known for or good at,

you were like, well, I might not be a comedy actress, but that's what I have to do. So I'm doing it. Yeah. Like that's it. She gave it her all.

Yeah. I mean, but it's, it really is faking it. I'm like, no, that was it. That was good.

Yeah. That was good. No, no. That was good. Like, do you want to do it again? You're like,

no, no, no, you got it. I remember it was like, you had a really unflappable confidence. He's like, you were just like, you know, act as if like, you know, if that was great. That's perfect. I did it.

You were just kind of like, yeah. I mean, it's like, what are you going to do? Asshole clenched, but fully smiling. Yeah. Well, and part of it is also like that notion of like, when you go for an audition or you go for an interview, dress the part. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So it's like, if I can use that as a crutch, if you will, just like looking the part sometimes gets you like 75% of the way. Yeah. And the part you were auditioning for was a great job. That's an unprocessed. He hates everyone in the room. Literally. And I got it.

Here I am. What was your favorite look from Drag Race 7? 7. Of yours. Of yours. You have to look back pretty fondly on most of those. Come on. I know.

I do, but everything is so different now. Yeah. Like wig quality, stuff like that. Yeah, but I like, like wig quality, stuff like that. Yeah. But I mean, like regardless of like, I feel like the way things that you constructed by yourself, made by yourself, crafty stuff is all really elevated.

I think the styling, the taste level is great. Hello Kitty. I'm proud of because I really did. Like I was so stressed out and so frazzled and I made it all there. And like, it was such a serve. I still think it's great.

And like it, it was a serve. The still think it's great and like it it was a serve the rest of it is sort of like okay well that was good for the moment but now even the contestants that go not to say that like having nicer wigs or having better shoes or having better anything really helps because it doesn't because it because we always say money doesn't mean taste level no it doesn't it certainly doesn't it doesn't. And it doesn't, and like, trends come and go and like sometimes a styled wig, it's just something,

sometimes just, you can buy the most styled wig in the world, but sometimes it just isn't good. Yeah, I relate. And that happens a lot and it's sort of like,

it's weird. Everything's so muddled now and everyone's so like, the same, but like, it's weird. Everything's so weird now. So say I'm packing

for Drag race season 14 what do you have any what would be your advice to me money i mean you do need for me it's about getting super unique things and look it is about doing doing what no one else is doing or doing it in a completely new way um well that's very vague you know well what you want no it's true like yeah i mean i would bring leather shoes i think that is like that's my one regret is i had horrible shoes like you can have an ugly santee alley fashion nova outfit on but if you've got a leather pump on people are gonna think it's a nicer dress right okay yeah i was gonna say do you like shoes? I love shoes, but let me tell you what I don't love. Shoes on Drag Race.

I mean, it's so painful. Oh my God, I forgot about that. It's so painful. Do you remember my white pumps that I wore the whole season? The scuffed up ones? I had like one pair of shoes. I loved that. Your spring look was really cute too.

Oh my God. I remember this was probably one of the only compliments I've ever received in my life. But it was like, you turned to me and you were like, I wear a lot of vintage too. I know that there's holes in that because of moths. It looks really good. Did I say that? Yes.

Oh my God. You were like, there's holes in it because of moths, but like I wear a lot of vintage. I love it. It looks so cute. It was. It was really cute.

I don't like hate any of it. I don't think of it. Cause I also think of the resources at the time. That's all I knew. And like, you know, it is what it is. The thing is that's, I prefer that. Yeah. I's all I knew. And like, you know, it is what it is. The thing is,

that's, I prefer that. Yeah. I'd rather you come in and something that you really love. That's a little bit moth eaten, but like stills like serving than some like ridiculously over fluffed, like custom, like just ridiculous thing that you think is like,

just elevated drag queen outfit. Number three. Yeah. Like very that, like, because it's all at this point, it lacks a lot of original originality and it's regurgitating what they've seen on drag race and so it that's why max and pearl like max and pearl max had balls yes the shit she pulled yeah coming out and just

matt i mean even the the fall room with just a wool jacket yeah yeah i'm like you're literally like jawed purrs or whatever. It was like crazy. It was literally like wool, like riding pants and like a wool jacket and a gray wig and that's it. Yeah. And no makeup.

With no boobs. No boobs either. Just flat, like three hours, no makeup. But like the way she served it- No makeup. It was great though.

The mole. The mole. The motion mole and no makeup. I don't even think she wore foundation. An SS30 crystal. Black crystal. Crystal AB.

Boom. Done. Crazy. But you never ever saw it. She had balls. No one does that. I would love, I think simple is fast. If you can really serve it to me,

if you can style a little thrift store outfit like that, I would respect you guys, the new girls so much more. Yeah. Yeah. So much more. I can't, they really do. It's,

it's very difficult to tell, to kind of tell them apart. I care more about point of view. Like, like what are you doing different? What's your idea? Yeah. You know,

what is interesting about you? Versus like, that I can't get from any of the previous contestants. Right. Versus like, okay, the shape is good and I guess it's sparkly and you paid a lot for it, but like,

what else? Yeah. What's the narrative? You have to be committed. You're passionate about it. It's like you, I mean, I always dress with intention on the show.

Like I want to, I'm going to give them a range. I'm going to give them this version of me, this version of me. And this is like, like when I wore pants for the Valley, I'm like, okay,

well this is an intentional choice because I don't want to be, everyone's going to wear a gown. The gown. Yeah. And everyone's going to think best drag gown. Well, no, we're giving speeches about why we should win and why everyone else shouldn't

win. So like, I want to give like Dom vibes. Like I want to be a little bit butch and be assertive and be like, no, no, you're going to listen to me because I'm wearing the pants. And so there is like,

you have to have some sort of like thought behind it. be like okay pretty like yeah like it has to be a little bit more unpredictable and unpredictable you have to think about what everyone's gonna do and then sort of think about how you're gonna stand out a hundred percent without being too like cringy and stunty either right because some people are like well i i forget who did it there was i think a canada's drag race one where they're like i'm gonna do something totally different and it was just like completely trying too hard to be different right it's a balance a good version of that is like on the christmas special when we all did christmas looks and mayhem did krampus yes that's a great example it's a theme it completely fits in but, none of us thought that. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I mean, I would have gone out for that final runway and a very like, you know, a sequined gown with an updo and everything. Sequins. Sequins gown. But when I turn,

the back would have been cut out and I would have shit, shit down my legs the whole way back. I feel like you can get away with a little sequins gown. There's a shit in it. Well, because I dress the shit.

You know what I mean? I feel like you can get away with the sequence you know what i mean though there's something about if you have the personality and you have the charisma and you have the character development already in motion then you can come out in a little shake and go because that's part of it like the despies dress the pink solid that was horrible but it's iconic know, you did look like Tara Reade. Girl, Tara Way, Tara Way Reade. Tara Way Reade. I mean, and it works in some weird way. Yeah.

I mean, both of you. Is that what you're saying? Both of you work in some weird way. So you're saying we're both trash. Yeah, both trash. Well, it's funny because I would say our season is definitely the most, we have the most successful girls as a bunch. I was going to say, don't you think cumulatively, all together, look at the material.

Look at the material. So much success has come out of our season, and it was considered to be, and for a long time, the most boring season. But you know what, though? Turner, I'm sorry, I love Kim, of course I love Bob, I love a lot of season eight. Of course. That next season, following our season of Runways goodbye oh it was horrible

it's not Drag Race anymore it was horrible horrible horrible thank god Bob is so funny cause that hilarious I mean I love her she's been on the pod she looked jack she's just I mean cartoonishly bad

cartoonishly bad so I mean you get the sense Iishly bad I mean cartoonishly bad you get the sense I was like is this just like a comedian who just put on drag two weeks ago he's fantastic Bob does love drag though apparently not putting it on

it's just something about I don't even know I can't put my finger on it I told Bob this I think you're such a strong performer and it's fun now seeing your drag match that level yeah

you're such a good entertainer now you look the part it's also the more manageable catch up it's like if you're gonna lack something that's what you need to lack you can't learn

how to be a funny performer I mean you can improve that skill but you can't like get that it factor but the other thing I love about Bob is that I'd be like, girl, what are these kitten heels? And she's like, oh, and then she throws it right back and is like, is your content on Netflix?

Do you have a Netflix comedy special? I didn't think so. You know what I mean? And I'm like, do we nominate for an Emmy? Literally, I'm like, are you in Lafayette, Arkansas, putting people in drag for the Emmy? I'm like, you know what? Work, bitch. A hundred percent. that's the school that i come from where it's like you want to read okay well let's read like i'll throw it right back on your face you're not going to

hurt my feelings about the way i look or whatever like no bitch i am that diva i am the doll i am iconic i am talented and you're not gonna tell me anything besides that that's how i feel all the time and bob and bob has that so like girl if you have that nothing i say matters so nothing la-di-da it's like when clay diva it's like when you work little mama it's like when kennedy is like um you know i like like about you, Trixie? You'll just wear anything. Thanks, girl. Remember that in Untucked when they were reading your Jet Set Eleganza? Oh, yes. I went to your mom's

birthday party, that iconic fight. There's that one Jasmine was not featuring the Trixie Mattel fantasy. She was dressed as a stewardess as well. She was wearing just like a cocktail dress. There's that fabulous gif of us from that episode.

Oh, we all lean in. So good. It's so good. That is my favorite gif. Yeah. That was great. That was my favorite. The untucked moments were just so good.

Yeah, primo. What was your most happy? We have to wrap. Oh, yeah, we have to wrap. We're pretty long in, yeah. Okay. Or they're just going to start cutting it. That's right.

All right, well, thank you, Miss Violet. Thank you for coming on our pod. It was a truly enjoyable experience. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing seeing you for real. No, it's so good to see you guys catching up, reminiscing, moving on. Say hi to your cat.

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