The Basement Yard - #552 - Oz The Mentalist Blows Our Minds

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

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Welcome back to the basement yard. Today, me and Frank are on the same side, and that means that we have a guest. We have O's the Mentalist here today. What's up? I'm in the yard, baby. He's in the yard. He's here to freak us the fuck out. Frank has been sweating profusely since I walked in the door for the record.

I'm not fucking kidding. I'm not kidding. So we got here. We're recording earlier than we normally do, and we got here. And we're like joking around. And they're like, oh, when he gets here, how's he going to get in? Yeah, because Greg's like, we didn't tell him what floor it was. the door code was, there's a code to get into this building.

And then the, we hear the elevator and the door opens up, he's like, hey guys, I'm like, how the fuck did he get in here? Where was the first test? There's no way he gets in without knowing the pin, right? I know everything. We joked around. We're like, if he does walk up, because we heard the elevator earlier, and Anta just turned his chair. And he's like, imagine he walks in right now. And then you fucking did that like five minutes later.

Oh, God. Thanks for coming on. Thanks guys. Thanks for joining us. We're, yeah. Equally parts excited. It's excited and I am not kidding. I'm terrified. I was more,

I'm more nervous for this than I was for MSG 100%. I don't know why. I'm like rattled. I'm, what am I fucking heart rate? Well, I've never seen like magic or, or, you know,

a mentalist up close. So it's like, yeah, I don't know what to expect. Dude, your brain is about to hurt. Tonight your brain will hurt. And you also do a lot of things that I've seen online that I'm like,

that's amazing. But I can't believe it until it. happens to me. That's what everybody says. I like the comments. I like the comments who think they've Jedi mind tricked me where they go, it won't work if you don't try it on me. I'm like, dude, you're one of like a million. Like I can't try it on every single person in the comments. Yeah, yeah. And one dude's like, what's my pin? I'm like, 69, 69. He's like, oh crap. How? And I'm like, how did you know that? I'm like, I looked at your photos, you pervert. Like, that was not even mentalism. That was just me knowing you based on what

you've chosen to share with the world. You famously guessed Joe Rogan's pincode on his show. I know. And he looked like, Not happy. Pissed off. Was he, like, mad about that afterwards? You know, it's a three-hour podcast, and that's, like, coming in real hot because I do that about 15 minutes in. So then you're like, oh, God, we're going to have to still be in the room for another

two hours and 45 minutes. I mean, I can talk aliens for a while, but oh, shit. Yeah. I think we broke through it at a certain point, but I think he was weirded out. Yeah. Because the best part is that you don't realize it, but in the moment, I'm like, oh, this didn't go so well, but it went so well. Because him getting mad is so real.

Yeah. People being blown away, you expect to be blown away. Right. But when someone's pissed, you're like, there's no way that Rogan, hear me out, was in on it. Because like, what? I don't have enough money. I don't have 200 mil Spotify money to be like, Joe, just play along here, bro. Second, he had no idea it was coming.

It's not like if you set something up with him and said, Joe, you know, think of your pin. There's no, there's no setup, dude. I came in the room and I thought we kind of shoot the breeze. A little Joe came in like yoked, dude. I'm like, I feel like I'm nothing. He's just jacked. He's got muscles on muscles. Yeah.

And he's like, let's go in and do the room. pot. I'm like, oh, nice to meet you. And we just went right. Just like shake your hand and crush it. Pretty much crushed it. Yeah. I see, I tend to be more of, I don't know if skeptic is the right word, but like I'm gonna get a skeptic in the world. Because here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's either I'm an idiot. Yep. Well, okay. No. All right. We got to the bottom with that. Moving on. Either I'm an idiot or you're

legitimately magic and I can't fucking accept either of those answers. I'm an alien and we're finally disclosing that they are real. No. That's a good point. Are you- Wouldn't that be a great setup? That would. If I was an alien and they just brought me in and they said, you know what?

Let's get this guy to pretend to be a mentalist. Dude. Before we officially disclose. First of all, if we were like, begonia, shit. Did you see Bagonia? Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it was a good movie, man. When did you see the end in common?

Spoiler alert. When did you see it? I didn't see it until it happened. Yeah. Because it was acted perfectly the whole way. I watched it. I watched it. I watched it.

I watched it. Do you ever like just like bump into someone on the plane and you're just like, like they come to take the order and they're like, they want a gingerail. Pretty much. So I did that with my wife on our first date and she was obviously not my wife at the time and she was not having it. She did not like anything about it. And I did a trick. This is my, this is my goal.

You were doing mentalism on a first date? Yeah, dude. Come on. You got to come in hot. Because that's why do you think I learned it? That's a good point. 13 year old loser. I'm like, girls don't like me.

What will they like? They like magic. So I did a trick. This is my go to at a bar because mentalism is. is hard when it's loud because you have to you actually have to watch people and you're learning a lot of reactions. There's a lot that's involved with interaction. So if it's like loud club and dark, it's very hard to see people.

But I had a trick where you have your straw and your drink. If it's a mixed drink, which is more common than a beer for girls. And I would look at the straw and I go watch this. And I would just go like this and it would spin around the glass. They're like, they're not sure they saw it. And then I would spin it the other way and then I snap and it shoots out of the glass. So that usually was the, oh, like the 20, 19- Who are you?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, dude, I'd fucking marry you if you did that to me. I don't know if I'd marry you. Joe just got moist for the record. I don't know if I'd marry you or just like fucking run out because I'd be terrified. She was somewhere in the middle, but she's like, can you please get me another straw? I'm like, dude, what's going on right now? She's immune to my powers.

Be honest, how many times did it not work before it were? That trick is more of a magic trick. So that trick works all the time. That's more like in the realm of magic. But the guessing stuff and more of the stuff that I do now, the mentalism is a lot of it doesn't work as well at the beginning. Or it's like really, it's like, it's. Can you describe the difference between magic and mentalism? Mentalism is a form of magic, but it's almost as if magic evolved to a point where you no longer need props.

So, you know, like, again, this is, I'm not trying to rag it anymore, but some comedians will use props, which is still funny as hell. Like, carrot tops show, incredible. But as you get, like, a purity where you can show up with nothing, you show up with nothing, and you can do a show at MSG for 25,000 people. There's comedians who just, they show up, you guys crushed it. I don't know if you had props. Did you have props? Maybe. You tell us.

So I feel like that's the most pure form of entertainment because you are the show. It's you. It's your IP. It's your thoughts. You're the way you conduct yourself being funny. So magic, you go see Copperfield. He's got like trailers of stuff, right? He's got boxes and you saw a woman at half and this elephant disappears.

So mentalism is a form of magic where it seems like you're reading someone's mind or influencing their thoughts. And when you do that, the method, how I'm doing it, you kind of start to start. to see the two combined. When you see a magic trick, you don't really know how I'm doing it. Do you see what I'm saying? You don't know how the card trick worked. You just know that somehow

you pulled out the four aces after I shuffled. But if I just tell you think of a card, well, how could you know the cards that I don't have cards? Like here's a great example. Joe, let's, let's mess with this. How many context do you think you have in your phone? Hundreds or thousands? Hundreds.

Okay, I thought you were more popular, but that's totally fine. Yeah, well, someone else gets roasted for once. So, so, so, grab your phone out oh fuck see now here we go this is where I'm gonna get freaked out

and forgive me if I curse it please there's no possible way right I've never I've never touched your phone seen your phone there's no way I can know who's in your phone are we in like just they have to understand I swear I walked in here on whatever anyone wants me to swear on so right now scroll around scroll around

and this is spontaneous you're you're on contacts I don't even know you're yeah okay so I like to say imagine that we took a post-it note off. It's a visual and that on the post-a note is written a name. Now it's not really written. We're pretending. And I hand it to you and you look down and you can see a name on this post-note. You go, okay. And you

search, you seek this one person. Now, scroll through and this is somebody utterly random and go ahead and find me the person who I just handed you invisible post-to-note with their name on it. Can you go ahead and find that person? Yo, I'm fucking petrified. I'm sorry. I

Okay. The longer it takes the better. Well, I don't know. Now, I don't know. right okay okay I have it I have it there this is absolutely a random choice is that correct there is actually no post a note there is nothing written I were kind of making this up yeah I think it's a guy is it a guy yeah if it was a woman he would have been there's always more of an excitement in the eyes a twinkle yeah picked a girl all right again the way you scrolled seemed like it was a conscious decision and and even though you will claim to your dying day that you pick this at

random I think there is there a reason um is it it listed as a first and last name or is there is it different it's a first and last name think of this guy's first name put your phone face down i'm not near you there's no mirrors there's nothing i could see count how many letters in your own head not out loud how many letters are in this person's first name count in your head okay okay see the eyes or the window to the soul my heart is palmy he's got he's got good eyes he does have good eyes yes and so when people count an even number of letters it's different than odd just thinking of it like drumming there's a beat did it did it four letters the guy's name is four letters

right it's four letters yeah yo yo now i can't feel my feet if you yo okay four letter names are actually one of the hardest there are more four letter names do chat gpt than almost anything four letter names are five letter names are slightly harder but four and five letters the hardest by far okay because if you did like nine letters not that many it's like Alexander look at me think of anyone of the four letters right now just any one of those four letters see it in your mind imagine it gets like bright like a neon sign just starts glowing can you see that letter see it in the word your eyes went to the last letter i saw you jump to the end you debated but i don't think you did it you're not thinking of the last letter are you no because you went to it and you're like and then you went back

d are you think of a d yeah you are right yeah all right close your eyes close your eyes Yo, I have to get up and leave. I'm telling you right now, I'm not making the judge. I thought it was Dave. I thought it was Dave. The dude's name is Dave, but you call him Dave because you guys are kind of boys. Keep your eyes close. Are you cover your eyes with both hands?

People always say to me, Frank, they say that I write stuff after. Like that's the consensus. I cheated. Yeah. Are your eyes closed, Joe? Yeah. So everyone can see this. This is written before he said a word.

He can't see it. You guys all saw that, right? Open your eyes. Swear to God, bro. I don't know you. You don't know me. You could have literally looked at any name in your phone right now. You could have anybody. What's this guy's first name?

I don't want to say. You don't have to. I could turn around, but they're not gonna believe me. Tell me. What is it? What's the first name? Adam? Adam. I swear on my fucking, I swear on everything that I have in my whole life. Yo, I- I- I'm- Oh, thank you.

Cool. Fuck you, dude. I, Yo, oh my God, dude. Do we, how the fuck? Yo, I swear to go, I know people who are watching this are gonna think I'm, bro, I would, I'm not this good at an actor. Yo, I'm not kidding. I'm gonna throw up. How many Adams do you know? How many Adams do you know? Two? Okay, okay, hold on. How many, how many, wait, how many Adams, don't say how many Adams do you know that he knows right now because you two are boys?

Uh, I think you know one. I only know one. I bet it's the same one that he knows. I bet it's the one you know better. Uh, think of, think of his last name. There's no way. There's no way. All right. Joe, Joe just his voice, shirk, like he's about to cry. Do anyone hear it? It's not the one that I would know? I don't think so. All right, look this way at me. Look this way at me. Think of the last name.

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So imagine that in front of you are tiles. Yeah. And you know the tiles have points. We're like, if you got a Z, that's 10 points. That's a good letter. Right. So see this dude's name as Scravel tiles in front of you. Okay.

All right. I don't know what the scores are of all the letters, but I want you to reach down. Count how many letters are in his last name in your head. Just count in your head. Please take longer. See, people can fake it. They'll go, oh, but I can see in their mind.

It's like I can see the off switch. You counted, but it was longer than Adam, but not much longer. Five letters. Is it five letters? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yo, I can't.

This is really happening to me right now. Pick up one of the scrabble tiles of his name, but try and do one that's worth points like like I don't know that feels good like look at the letters look at all five can I go go go to what the four no dude just guess I don't care all pick one up pick one of one pick a letter up throw it to me I just caught it I looked at it all straight lines one line one okay is it a K is it okay yo seriously I'm not fucking around what the fuck is happening yo I I'm I killed

Adam wait is it Kilch am I saying the right Adam Kilch I barely know this guy's last name I don't know who that is Who is this? Yo, what the fuck is going on, bro? Yo, I'm gonna throw up. Yo, I'm not, yo. I'll be honest with you. I was so nervous coming into this.

Oh, God, I'm gonna throw up. I don't know what's going on, Ann. Yo, I, I, I, yo. There's something on my throat, too. Is that a thing? I'm not even fucking around. We need an EMT right now for Antonio and Frank. Yeah.

Greg is over there throwing holy water at me. He's suddenly very religious. I honestly was so nervous when we were like starting to do it because I'm like, he's gonna get, he might get this wrong. Cause I'm like this is such a random person. Yo, fuck you. How the fuck did you do that? Alright, before we get back to our minds being blown by O's the Mentalist, we do have some sponsors. The first one being Squarespace. Squarespace is a platform where you're able to build your website. Okay. If you go on to this website, uh, they have these templates.

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Really? Yeah, yeah. So I used to work. I used to work at restaurants. Oh, okay. Back in the day. I knew he couldn't come back. You want the chicken.

You want the shrimp. No, I was doing magic tricks. This is my come up. When I was 13 years old, I started doing magic, kind of card tricks and what have you, coin tricks, stuff like that. And then I was 14. My hustle, because I, my parents were, they broke up. They got divorced.

And I couldn't, I need to buy more magic tricks. And you know, there's like magic shows, yeah. Former, former kid too, baby. Former, former. We got, we're all divorced over here. Yeah, everybody's, there's a, there's a hole in my heart. I'm trying to fill with something. So I was doing magic tricks.

And my mom was like, these tricks are expensive. Magic tricks are like 50 bucks. I don't know that kind of money. And so I had to start working in such like, do kids birthday parties. I'm like, well, I don't, you know, how am I going to get these gigs? You know, there's no, I don't have a website. This is I'm older than you guys. And so I went, walked down half a mile to this local Italian restaurant by me.

Sweet talked my way into getting a gig where I was working three hours once a week and I would hand out business cards and so at that at these places what I would do is just I would start to do these two. What was a question you asked me because I lost my train? Has anyone had like an aggressive response? So at when I started doing that I advanced and in my 20s I kept doing this these restaurants and at one I used to work at someone that were mafia owned that were known in New York City. So I grew up in Michigan, but this was in New York and they would have these parties where these dudes would come out of jail after being in for like. 20, 30 years. And I had one dude who came once. He's like, I would do a trick where I turned $1 bills into hundreds. And he wanted to take the $100 at the end. And I was like, no, dude, it's just a magic trick. And so right then when he was about to take them, I snapped and they turned back to ones. And he was about to beat me up. He's like, where'd the hundreds go? And he's like, those were my hundreds. I'm like, no, they were ones. Dude. He's like, no, they turned a hundred. They became mine then. I'm like, uh, no, there were ones.

And he took them on my hands and he's like, they're ones. And he wanted to like pat me down. I'm like, you aren't going to find them. And so I had to like, I had to find a very good way to sweet talking to, oh, you don't let me show how I do it. And then I turned one into a 20 and I was like, 20 bucks I'll give this guy just not to get beat up. Yeah, that's right. Because I, I'm not kidding. Like my, my first reaction is just to be like, what the fuck?

Because it is so beyond my level of comprehension, which might not be that high. But like that is, I can't even focus. I'm not even kidding. I almost threw up. I can't even focus right now. I really would like you to throw up at the next trick. That would be very strong. That would be very good.

I'm not kidding. Yo, I'm not kidding. Why is your reaction? We need that in the thumbnail. I'm not, I'm not. Can we have just me going like this and Frank throwing up? That would be amazing. Does this now, I'm gonna ask, maybe this is like

too inside baseball of me to ask, but like, does this help? Because I'm a big comic fan and like- Does me doing this? Yeah, so like, when I see, when I see Professor X go like this, I'm like, some shit's about to go down. So like, if you walk into a room and you just go, I'm clenching. People's like, get down.

You don't see it. It's a butt sheet. Oh, it's a butt one? Yeah, it's kegles. Uh. He's got a trick like that too. No, no, no, no, no. We've all seen it.

No, stop that. All of you. Whoa, I haven't seen it. I have a funny story like that. So I had a, I snore a lot and I can't breathe out of one side of my nose, a little TMI. But I had a septuplasty, you know what? When they, like, try to open up if you're a deviated septum. Okay.

So this is, dude, this is a throwback. This is like 16, 17 years ago. They did that and you're supposed to not be walking around a bunch because your nose starts, it's going to reopen and bleed. They have, like, sutured. And I had a gig. I got a gig like two days after this happened. And I was like, I can't turn it on the money. I'm too greedy.

So I'm like, I'm going to go do this gig. Even though you're not supposed to bed rest. So I go do this gig, and I used to do a ton of bar and bat mitzvah. It's just a ton back in the day. And I would do a trick where I would bend a spoon. I can still do it. It's great. But I would take, it's one of my kids's favorites.

I look at a spoon and it just starts to bend, like Magneto style. Hell yeah. And so I'm at this bar mitzvah and I'm making this spoon bend. And this is two days after. And I'm doing this and I'm looking at it. And I have cotton shoved in my nose. because of I'm supposed to. And all of a sudden I'm focusing so hard that blood comes down both of my nostrils

and you hear three kids scream. I bet you that is a core memory for these children. Yeah, 100%. So right now when you said this, they're getting like a traumatic PTSD remembering of the magician at their bar mitzvah who was focused so hard that blood started shooting out of his nose, knows while the, you know, if somebody sees this,

can they please write to me? DM me if you were one of those kids at that party. It's like some stranger things. Dude, he was on like 36th and 8th. I swear to God, it was so funny. And they screamed. and I was like, oh, no, I'm bleeding. It's sick.

You should just play into it. I should have fake blood coming on. I know is what I'm hearing. I think, like, if you could, if whatever's going to help elevate it, not that it needs any elevation because I. No cape. A cape. Yeah. I mean, the cape, the hat.

You might as well. I mean, what's old? That feels a bit Dracula style, though. What's wrong with that? I don't know. Like whip the cape around. Or like a wand. Dude, if I had your powers, I would be such.

What would you do, Frank? I want to know what you would do. I would be such a little bitch about it. Yeah. I would like, I'd have a cape and I'd fucking like, was that cool? You know, and just like throw it and guessing people's shit. Like, that is so unbelievable. I want to give you my powers.

Like, like Spider-Man where you get the bite and then a week later you become a mentalist just to watch you, just to watch you use your powers. It would be bad. You should make a video of just Frank Alvarez, aka the mentalist. And just go around Brooklyn trying to read people's minds. Yeah, I don't know if that would be, I don't think it'd be very good at that because... No, just try. I'm freaked out at you doing it.

If I figure out I have this skill, I will believe that I'm a form of God. Yeah, he will. And it will immediately go to my head. Yeah, immediately. I will freak out and then I'll throw up again. He'll use his powers for villainy. Probably. I mean, my powers for good.

You would just be rampant theft. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a show on NBC like, what was this, like eight years ago now, a little throwback. And one of the bits we did. It was in January. It's so freaking cold. Everybody, shout out to it's called O's Nose. So that's how you know my name because it rhymes.

And you're like, it looks like Oz knows, but it's O's Nose nose. So it came out on NBC. Pilot didn't get picked up. I don't know how it didn't get picked up. Fuck you, NBC. But we won an Emmy. I'm an Emmy Award because of that. So it came out and what we did, we sat next to a chase on Christopher Street in like seventh.

I don't know if you know that corner, the village cigars corner. And I would wait for people to come up. And we wouldn't even sign releases first. They would know what was going on. And I would say to them, excuse me, we're shooting a thing for a news channel about cybersecurity in your ATM pin code. Have you ever shared your ATM pin code? This is outside of an ATM that people are coming up to.

It's outside. They're kind of freezing. And they're like, no. I'm like, does your husband know, your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend? They're like, nobody knows. I go, it's very important. You don't do easy numbers.

I go swipe your card, look at me, and I did their code for them. Dude, just the clips, the reactions were so, some people didn't understand what just happened. They were just very confused. Like, wait, how did you, you know, what? And then other people looked at me and just, just, like, just walked away.

One dude got scared and screamed and left And then wouldn't sign a release But then did 20 minutes later He came back and he's like, are you the devil? Dude, it was so awesome Watch that special But it was so funny Are you?

Frank, just so we understand the takeaway, Frank would have done that And then stolen all the money 100% Well, I mean 16 year old Frank A thousand percent Current Frank, I have more of a conscience

You got that YouTube money baby Is it like Are people just more predictable than we think we are. People are more predictable. People are also able to be, like I'm able to influence your behavior so that certain people,

they'll get to a moment. And you know what will happen is they say, I changed my mind the last second. How could, like, I even changed my mind. I go, I knew you changed your mind. I got you to change your mind based on the speed at which I was talking and when I slowed down.

And when I did certain things and when I, see how when I look there, all of you both look there. That's called misdirection. When I just grab my water, both of your eyes. Rewatch it in slow motion looked over here.

I'm looking at you now. I'm not looking at the water. I'm going to couch my eyes out. It's subtle. But a magician learns early on that the hand is not quicker than the eye. You think it is, but it's not. Nobody's hands are quicker than your eye.

But what happens is if I can make you look away at the moment I do the secret move, you don't see it. When an elephant is made to disappear, the elephant didn't really disappear. Spoiler alert. There's no real Santa Claus. Sorry.

But what happens is, They're making you look at the wrong place at the right time. That's what we do. So I'm doing that, but less with your eyes and more with your brain. So I know the way people think. Did you- Studying it for 30 years? I was going to say, have you taken like advanced psychological, like psychology classes

or like sociology classes or things like that to understand the human- Yes, but they're mentalism classes. So there are mentalism core concepts because psychology doesn't really help me. Psychology helps me with group dynamics where people in a group act very differently than when they're alone. There's certain tricks that I do that you'd be like, oh man, could you do that any time? No, I couldn't do it if we were alone. And you're like, what?

Why? And I go, because you wouldn't behave the same way. You don't realize it, but you will acquiesce to a group in a different way. You will feel peer pressure. You can get people to hurry their decisions. They will feel pressure from people around you. Like the people that are hardest for me to do this on are people that are very drunk sometimes. People that are, I know this sounds really strange, but on the artistic spectrum or that at very levels of like Asperger's because they don't have social norms.

So their behavior and their reactions are different. They're out of sync. It's kind of like during COVID, I would do tricks on Zoom. And when we have Zoom that's out of alignment, if you're on a Riverside, like one of those interviews on a Riverside, do you know what I'm talking about? It's like Zoom, but it's a slow Zoom that captures it. I don't Greg knows it, the producer. But it's like if you're doing a, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like it's a

Zoom interview, but it's not Zoom real time because there's a little lag. It's almost impossible for me to do my job because I'm watching you. It's like playing a video game with lag. Got it. You're going to suck. I just got headshot at while I didn't see it. So it's the exact same thing. If you're out of focus or out of order, I can't respond because I'm responding milliseconds.

I'm watching you every split second to deduce what you're doing or what you're going to do. And if I'm out of sync by a second, it just tanks. I've messed up on those before. Are you like doing that 24-7? No. So it's something you can turn on and off. Fully. You have to turn it on.

Okay. You ever meet another mentalist? I'm like kind of have to battle. So I was just like two straight cats at the end of the alleyway. And then they're just like, Ha! Oh, Would you know?

Like you saw each other. You just sit at a table and neither of us talk and occasionally laugh and occasionally make eye expression. I just look at you and I just laugh. And then you look at me, you get serious again. You're like, good one.

You're like, well, you didn't say anything. I guess that's kind of a good question, though. Would this be something that you could like tag team? If there was another mentalist that you felt comfortable working with, could you guys do like gigs and stuff together or? There's a couple that have done it.

If you feel like Penn and Teller does famously do it, but it's not really a mentalist one. But there's, there's, there's called code acts. There's a couple acts. There's one called mind to mind. We'll shout out for them. They do it an amazing where it's a guy and a girl that actually happened to be married. But you could be in a different room and she could be blindfolded and anything you hold her to look at. He says, what am I holding right now?

She's like driver's license. What's the number? She's like eight, five, seven. How are you doing this? So it's, it's an act where one person can send and transmit thoughts to the other. I have the opposite. literally I can't send my wife anything she's like I don't know what you're thinking any of the time she's like you don't know what I'm thinking and I'm mad at you right

now because if you're this good of a mentalist why the hell didn't you take out the trash my brother my brothers are twins and I I I know this maternal yeah fraternal twins and this might be because I'm not very you know like woo woo or spiritual anything but like I I do believe that there is some form of like twin telepathy because I think that's true they I'm not kidding there was a story when we were younger where one of my brothers like in the And then middle of the night had to go to the hospital. And the other one, like, didn't know what was going on.

Like, there was no way that they could have known. My parents tell the story. And the one that was home was just inconsolable for no reason. Didn't know the other one was, like, just. And then as soon as they walked back in the door, they were completely okay. Right. And, like, that's where I believe, like, twin telepathy might be a real thing. But it still freaks me out.

I, so I can tell you. It's a weird story. So I had a twin who was, who died at birth. So it was like a stillborn. Sorry to hear that. Thank, thank you. I had a gnome. But my mom, I appreciate it.

My mom can only have twins. It's some strange condition. I don't know how that, like I'm not a medical person, but that's supposedly it, fraternal twins. So I have twin sisters. But nobody told me that I was a twin until I was 12 years old. She never told me. It's like kind of a big detail to leave out.

Oh, you're a twin. So I always talked about like imaginary friend having a twin. And it was to the point of creepiness where could I have somehow gleaned this from a hearing story? But I never knew it. It was never told to me because they didn't really know how to address it. And they thought it was like too traumatic. And so I would always talk about I have a twin. I have a twin.

And like, I would tell people this, but no one was told that I had a twin. And so when she told me, it like all made sense. It was like a puzzle piece that just suddenly clicked. And so I can't explain that the way you talk about twin telepathy. But I like, have you absorbed his mental powers? I don't know. I was a former twin. So you and I are pretty much two in the same.

Yeah. Yeah. So like there's, yeah, I was. There's not much of a difference between us outside of just some school. How were you a former twin? The twin was gone. At birth? No, it was pre, like, it was like in utero.

In utero. So mine was like until a week before, the ultrasound was still, it might have been medical malpractice, but we were like in the womb until it was a very shocking death at like they didn't expect it was yours earlier. But so it was like, I even had a new name, which my name means brave and strong in Hebrew because I was the one that survived.

My dad was like, it's a battle of the wills. I'm like, that's a creepy way to say it. But you took them out. And so my name was changed of brave and strong because I survived when the other. one didn't. Got it. Yeah.

Wow. I don't know the details. I didn't know. We were going down this rabbit hole. I know. Got real somber. Adam Kilch just came in.

He's like, how do you know me, bro? I'm on us. I'm not over that. I don't know if I'm going to be over that. You know, speaking of childhood, childhood.

When can you pinpoint? If I sent you a time machine back, do you remember meeting Joe for the first time? I can pinpoint it to like a week. So you kind of know a lot when you got, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Adorable. Joe's like, I barely remember you. Yeah. You see, You see? Honestly. Honestly.

Honestly. How do you deal? Wait. So if you can go back in time, you ready? Now, when I say to somebody, pick a name that's left brain. It's like mathematical. Seeing letters, seeing numbers is left brain. I'm going to make you do this right brain.

Close your eyes and you can go right brain. Here's what I mean by that. You're not going to see letters or numbers. I want you to start to see a face of someone where you go back in time to childhood that if I said, guess right now, Joe, I'm giving you three guesses to guess a kid from back in the day that Frank is thinking of. Boom. Number one, got it wrong. Number two, got wrong.

Number three, you don't even know how many guesses it would take, but he would never guess this kid within his first three guesses, maybe even more. Okay. Can you at this very moment try to picture this kid's face? Can you see them in your mind? Yeah. Question for you. Do you know what they look like? Open your eyes.

Do you know what they look like now? Have you hung out recently? No. So you don't even know how they look like now. You're kind of just going back to the memory bank. I mean, I have a rough idea. Yeah, you know. It's like you're seeing whatever an eight-year-old kid with a beard like you.

Okay, now, just he's gotten facial hair. All right. Is there any way because I like the haters. The haters always say he did research before he got here. He must have been Googling them. You know, is there any way that I could have researched this in advance and found out who you would have thought of real-time spontaneous? I can't imagine there is a way you could research. But even if we looked up everybody, how can we know,

who this would be because you didn't know who you were going to pick before I got here. Correct. I have no clue how you could have come up. So it's not like a researchable thing because you can't research where your mind spontaneously goes. Yeah. And I famously have a pretty crazy mind. Crazy mind, right? I mean, famous episode was talking about drinking pee. Like nobody's come up with that. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Riz gods. All right. Here's what I want you do. I want you right now to think of this kid's first name. Okay. Now, you before counted the letters and you see I narrowed it down because it's how many I mean four letters then I got the name think of this kid's

first name yeah think of his last name okay most people have asked which one is more interesting they'll go last name because it's just normal I think I think you think the first name is more interesting am I right or not really you tell me which one's more interesting interesting in what regard you decide you're in the eye of the holder do which one's more interesting uh I would say last name last thing's more interesting all right now I wonder how common the first name is Think of the first name. Yeah. And quick, the same way he did it.

Pick a letter in the name. Okay. Think of the first letter. Okay. Change. Don't do the first letter. Do a different letter. Of the name.

Yeah, first name. Stay with it. Okay. You got one? Yeah. Change your mind again. Different letter in the first name. Change it one more time.

Okay. He's having trouble. See, I started, I wanted to see. I'm having trouble. I wanted to see Joe. Because you're fucking fired up. When did Frank not know what to do? So, like, again, if the name was really,

long, you'd be like, all right, I got this. He started struggling. The name right again is another short name. I'm trying to feel it out. Suss it out. It feels like it's five or six letters. I'm trying to feel this out. Five or six letters. Okay. He walks through that door right now. You look him in the eyes.

You go, dude, where have you been? Come here, shake my hand. And right at that moment, you look look at Shane, is it Shane? Gorman. Shane Gorman, isn't it? Yo, I'm not fucking dude. Dude. Dude. Dude, what the motherfuck is going on in here?

Frank. You, I, I, I, I, I, yo. I was thinking of him. I was thinking of him. Yo, you shut the fuck up, dude. Fuck you. How the fuck? Yo.

How did, like, yo, how? What was the last time we saw Shane? For fucking no Legitimately like probably second grade Just spit all over your face Yo, I don't know You gotta move over You gotta move over, we're not centered

You guys, you guys flew off camera I don't care Move over this way towards me Yo, that's insane You know when something pops in your head You ever wake up from a dream And you wake up from a dream And you go, dude

And you forget it in like a minute But right at that moment You have a dream And the dream is so weird And you're like, why do I have this dream? I gotta tell somebody about this dream right now Do you ever have that moment?

You're like, this is a crazy streamer. I want you to imagine right now. You ready? I'm just like to throw something out. Crazy that you have, you see Shane Gorman. Now that he's in your head, you might have a dream. Imagine. How the fuck did you do that?

Imagine you have a dream, okay? And Shane Gorman, you see this kid out of nowhere. You haven't seen him since second grade, okay? And in this dream, I don't know what's going on, but something crazy. You know how you have crazy ideas for episodes? In this dream, you have the craziest idea for an episode, one that's juggling around the back of year,

and you go, you wake up and you say to Joe, you go, Joe, I had this dream. Remember we saw that mentalist? I saw, I had this dream because I thought of Shane Gorman. In this dream, we were, and it's nothing weird, but like something that's an episode. Please, please, please, please. Close your eyes.

Imagine this is something that doesn't really exist that's just in your brain. Close your eyes, close your eyes. Joe, you look, you look, come over. Can you see this? Don't see. I don't know about this. This is crazy.

And you go, this would make for a great episode. Open your eyes. Spontaneous off the cuff pops you go I didn't even know I would think about this It would make an insane episode what happened in that dream what were you doing say it? We were like hanging out in a bath what was it just what's in the bath like clay or mud or something like what What? You get the fuck out of here. Yo get the fuck out of you. Yo no no no no no no I'll call the fucking you like I'm not yo I'm fucking serious I'm serious I'm serious Yo, I'm literally, I can't, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm not, I'm not having fun.

Time out. What the fuck is that? That's the idea you came up. I was doing a podcast. I don't know. I'm just trying to think of like something out there that would be crazy. And if we were in just like mud baths, not together. You have your bath.

Okay. We have our bath. It's a little weird, but yeah. Yo, how the fuck? I bet you're going to get a DM from Shane Gorman being like, bro, I'll do a mud bath at you now. I don't even, I don't, I haven't even seen a picture. I have drove him in 20 years. Yo, I can't tell you like, there is, I don't, I don't.

There's literally no explanation for that. There's no explanation. That's absurd. Because even if you have like, uh, even if you have these like tails or whatever, you're giving first and last name. How the fuck? Yo, I don't know how you did that. I shook your hand and I didn't feel anything.

That's when I stole your soul. Oh my God. Dude. What the fuck? I'm astounded. Wait, you were thinking Shane Gorman, too? Yeah. Why?

I don't know. I know. I don't know. I'm not in control anymore. I don't know. Bro, this is insane. All right. I was like, because you're like, think of someone or whatever,

and I was just trying to think of an example, like, playing along in my head. And you know what's... And you know what's weird? I met him the same time that I met him. that I met you because remember how he started off with like a you guys met can you pinpoint it down to yeah and it was within the parameters of when we met there's layers to this one there's layers you're just being quiet over there dude I'm letting you unpack all this what the fuck like the idea that like like the way that I can kind of like make sense of this is like a a sick amount of

research and then you know obviously the tells with the whatever but that name. I don't even, I don't even know if I could find him. Like, I don't know if I, I don't have him on Instagram. I don't either. I haven't, I haven't seen or spoken to about anything with this kid in, you know, this is like, there's, there's no explanation. There's no explanation. But how would we know that you would have thought of him? And then the craziest thing is you said, I'm going to pick somebody that he'll never guess either. And then jumped in both your heads at the same time. Yeah, it doesn't, I don't, I don't, I don't, literally I don't, like, all right, I'm back. We have some more sponsors, but I can tell you all.

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Great question. Where do we go? I am at both, I am scared and impressed. And a little like, I want to beat you up. Can you? I cannot run you is the issue. First of all, I saw that. Yeah, you look like you're a runner.

I saw that you do marathons and ultras. And you did bad water, right? Bad water. Do you know what that is? I do know bad water. It's hot. What's bad water? Bad water is a great segue here from Shane Gorman.

But did you guys pee your pants? I was waiting for that. There's going to be bad water in my jeans in a little bit. I'll tell you that. That was soft. Bring that in. No, no, no, no. I don't know what you're going to take next.

I don't know what you're going to take that. As soon as our knuckles touch, I get the rest of the. info. So Badwater, Shane says hello. 135 miles. So it's kind of a little more than... What the fuck? Yeah, it's like five marathons in a row.

More than that. In the hottest place in the world, which is Death Valley, in the middle of the summer. So when I started the race, it was 124 degrees. So when you think of Phoenix or Vegas and you're like melting, that's 110, that's cold, compared to this. And then you're running on a road so that the heat, they take the, you know, the gun that measures how your temperature. They do on the, you can melt, like you can melt rubber on your shoes if you hold them against the road.

The black asphalt gets over 200 degrees. You can cook an egg on the hood of your car. It will cook. So you're supposed to run on the white lines to not melt your shoes. And you run 135 miles. So, so, I mean, you do stuff like that. You do keep yourself in good physical shape, I assume. So like, does that help?

I think it helps mentally. If you're like not feeling well, you got a cold or something. Is that going to like hurt what you do? You mean for performing? Yeah. I don't think so. I'm pretty, my, this immune system is strong. I have five children.

The diseases just, five kids? Holy shit, dude. 135, how long did I take you to do that? 28 hours. Nonstop. I slept for about 10 minutes. Why even say that? Just say nonstop.

How do you even do that? So I, are you guys, how old are you both? 34. 34, yeah. I knew that. So this might be beyond your time. This is you're just like five years for, but old school NES, Nintendo. Oh, I got one in my house.

Old school Nintendo. The cartridge is not working. So you got to take out, you have to blow it and put it back in. Yeah. Do you know that move? Yeah, of course. So I liken it to that with my brain. So I, I at night and my friends will make fun of me and call me like a big pussy

because I get very loopy at night if I don't sleep versus I have friends in ultras who can go like two days without sleeping, not necessarily healthy. But they don't, I just because. I'm a total bitch at like three or four a.m. We're like, oh, I'm so tired. Like, dude, just keep running. So I have to, if I sleep for even five minutes, it's the Nintendo. Put it back in.

My brain reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does this weird reset where I get up and I feel better. And then if you ever, which I doubt you'll do, but if you ever sleep for a day, a night and then into the next day, the next day your circadian rhythm kicks in. And the next morning, you kind of feel better even though you haven't really done anything. And then the next morning, I feel much better to run, continue running. That's insane.

When did you do that? I did that race a long time ago. Pre-kids, you got to fact-check this. I think 2010 or 11, but I try to do at least 100-mile a year, but my career has been super busy lately. So it's like about it. Need a vehicle that isn't afraid to make a splash? That's the Volkswagen Touse.

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I'm surrounded by runners. All of them I'm surrounded by is runners. First of all, I ran seven miles yesterday. That's pretty awesome. This is great. Yeah. 135's cool. You ever do it in the desert?

With melting shoes? In Death Valley? You're like, as you're like, as you're like, As you're like coming up behind someone, like you're going to pass them. You're just like, oh, your high school boyfriend says low. And it's like, what the fuck? Dude, four years ago, I ran around Central Park more times in a day than anyone ever had. I broke the record.

I did 116 miles around Central Park to raise money for the children. You know that, right? Yeah, you know that you're the problem. You're running from something. I am. Oh, deep, deep, deeply. So I did that. It made the front cover of the New York Times.

I have this thing framed. It's pretty awesome. And the takeaway here is when they were writing that story. Shout out to my buddy Adam Scholeman. who wrote the article. Another Adam? Oh, shit. He's in the room.

He called me at mile 84. Okay, so mile 84, I've been running for, you got a fact check at like 12 or 13 hours. And he calls me while I'm on FaceTime with him. There's about 10 people behind me. I guess the name of his first crush while running at 13 hours in 84 miles. And he's freaking out. I was like, how did you know her name, dude? And I'm like, put that in the article.

I was like, I'm scared of you right now. How are you doing this while running? I figured out to name of his first crush. His wife was in the background. She's like, who the hell is. caught you know it was like what uh what was the inspiration behind doing the loop so that's i'll keep a long story short but i was going to run this race um in north carolina and i've been training and i was all fit and then dude this billionaire calls me who's a client of mine and he goes he called me

a week a two weeks before this i'm supposed to run this race my two of my buddies are coming from chicago to cheer me on and i signed up and everything and he goes you know i want to hire you for a gig that night i'm like can't you know my manager's like can't he's booked he's doing a race. He's like, how much could I have to pay him? They're like, no, no, he's not. He's not going. Hung up the phone. This dude did not like the word no. Calls back with a new offer. Calls back. At this point, it became a power struggle. Hell yeah. I don't like hear a no. So then I tell my manager, tell him this amount. And she's like, that's obscene. You know, you're going to ruin the relationship. I'm like,

but I want to go run the race. My buddies are coming. It's all planned. And so she ends up charging half of that amount, which is still was the biggest payday I'd ever gotten to date for going in an Uber for 10 minutes. And right within 30 seconds of her texting him the number, he said yes. I'm like, damn it. So it's like the worst feeling to be annoyed, but also the best payday. You're like at the same time, you don't have struggle with that. So a couple days later, buddy of mine who actually lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, said, Tom Knight goes, you know what, man, you're so fit. Why don't you run around Central Park and try to break the record? I know that was a thing. So I looked it up and a guy named Robbie Ballinger, a good friend of mine now had the record

of running the most loops on top. This is like a thing. People do this to see how many loops you can do. while Central Park is open from 5 a.m. to 1 a.m. And then to close the park, cops kick you out. Anyways, I decide to do this. I decide I'm going to do this for charity for Save the Children. I put up a thing. I've never hit people up for money before. Money piles in, man.

We raised over $116,000. Wow. Didn't you also run $116 miles? I knew that would happen. Yeah, so that it worked out. I broke the record and I put this all came together where I said, I'm so fit. So I did this a week later. It was exactly four years ago.

And I need new challenge, man. That same year, I ran from Montauk to Manhattan. And I broke the record of crossing Long Island up by foot on the hottest day of the summer, August 4th, I believe it was it was the single hottest day of the summer. 10-10 wins interviewed me. And they were like, dude, you know it's going to be like 90 degrees. Literally the hottest day of summer. They go, are you going to quit? I'm like, that makes it so much better.

Like something's wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree with 10-10 wins. But now, anytime my kids are complaining if we drive from like Montau back home, they're like, dude, this tink's long. I'm like, you don't know the half of the bro.

When I was a kid, I ran. Yeah, you're like the worst way. That probably. Like back in the day, it was like, I used to walk two miles uphill. You're like, I ran 13. Well, you said you started doing this around like 13. 13 is when I started. So were you just like cheating on tests?

I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations, Frank Alvarez. I'll tell you, 13 year old, Frankie, I was using my powers for good. Cheating on every test that I have. I'm every single one. You like look down at this question, A, B, C, and then you look at the teacher and you say, oh, can you just look at these tests for me and look at me? B. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I came up with B in my head. What? I said B when he was saying ABCD. All right. Well, this is this is. This is I'm just like astounded, honestly. I am.

Do you run every day? I don't run every day. There's people who have streaks and they do that. I have too much. There's the the between career, uh, remaining married while traveling and not, you know, juggling five kids and it's very and I have two kids that are still in diapers even though my two-year-old is being potty trained right now. So we have like a just a staring match of me staring at her being like please young crap on the rug. No, we have we have an 11 month old and a two-year-old. Oh wow. There's just a lot of kids. So the short answer is once the kids are sleeping, I can get back into a rhythm of like running in the mornings. And when I travel shockingly, I run way more because I'm gone. When I'm home, it's hard to sneak it in like this morning. I got back yesterday at 1 a.m.

I was in Austin, Texas for a gig, another podcast. And then I got back at 1am. I was, like, debating, can I wake up at 5.30? But it just didn't happen to go run. So I feel like a loser this morning, Joe. Thanks for bringing that up. You wake up at 5.30 to run. I woke up at 530 to play MLB, the show.

There's a clear, there's only so much similarity, so many similarities between. We're pretty much the same person. Yeah. But how many miles will you do on any human day? I would love, like, my comfort run is like going to run 20 miles. Like, that's what I enjoy the most. I like to run minimum 10 miles or I don't feel like I really did anything. But everybody's different.

Their bodies are different. Like, that's just... Do you consider yourself like a very disciplined person? And does that have to do anything with your... I'm so rabidly ADHD. But the running takes my mind and it slows it down. And right now, because I have so much media, I'm in a... When is this coming out?

Do we know? I... You tell us! You tell us! So depending on when it comes out, April 25th, I'm hosting the White House Corresponding. Spondence dinner. Congratulations. Thank you.

And so President Trump is coming for the first time ever while in office. He's never done it while president. And so it's going to be hopefully a big thing. He's going to lose his mind with you. Yeah. I hope he throws up like you were about to you. This is gross. What was I going to say?

I need time to come up with stuff. Like our finale, the thing I'm going to do for you at the end, I came up with last night on the plane from Austin at 1130 p.m. Where it just the puzzle pieces came together. You watch the movie usual suspects. Great movie. Classic.

You know when he like drops the glass and it says Kobayashi and like the whole thing, Kaiser Soze and Kevin Spacey, just like he stops the limp. Sorry for everyone who hasn't seen the movie. Just ruined everything. And he just, you realize and your mindbook, that's what I like. I like those moments where your mind is blown. You're freaked out. Oh my God. But then at the end, there's this shock ending that you can't believe.

That is, that's like my chef's kiss when it comes to mentalism. I can't do it. Has anyone ever like offered you money to, to like, you. to tell them how you do it? Many people. Like the FBI. Oh, yeah. You could be a great, like, with the CIA or something like that.

I can't really say whether the CAs reached out. I'm not going to say it publicly, but FBI, law enforcement, many, many lawyers. Do you think you could actually, like, you would be an asset there? So, okay. So it's very important because what I do, it's very important ethics. So, like, right off the jump, and I usually say this, I am not supernatural. I don't pretend to have psychic abilities. And the key ways to know that is that what I'm doing is,

learnable, repeatable, and it's based in science, which means there's a method I could explain. Now, it's important to understand why I'm saying that. Learnable means I could teach you to do mentalism. There are books or videos. Most psychics cannot teach you how to be a psychic. There isn't a workshop that's like, okay, now you can talk to your dead grandma? It's not repeatable. Right now, talk to my grandma. I want to ask these three questions. Give me these three answers. Very rarely, can any psychic do that for you effectively? And then lastly, what's the science? I don't know the science behind being a psychic. Am I telling you that psychics don't exist? No. I'm being agnostic because I think I'd be like a bit of an arrogant prick if I said no psychics exist because a lot of people

have experiences that I can't explain. But when I've been around most psychics that I've seen witnessed it myself, I can explain how they're doing it for the most part. Like I can see the tricks that they're doing that overlap my tricks. Now, there may be psychics that when you tell me, they do it and they do it and they're doing a real thing and I don't know how, but I can recreate many of what psychics do with what I do. Does that make sense? Yeah. So that's a long answer to give you like a disclaimer and asterisk of these are not superpowers as much as frank as they were sorry why can't they so could i help you if you're an fbi agent profile people i think that i could help you with certain things that aren't what you think they wouldn't be micro expressions they're

not body language reads because i'm doing my thing in a very specific situation built on entertainment not built on giving away somebody who committed a crime that might kill you later different environments okay but the same tactics that I use of building rapport, building trust, incremental changing, then moving you back, watching benchmarks. So the way people behave, if you observe them over and over and over, that's why like interrogations, you do them over and over and you wear people down, you can start to see patterns of what works and when they're telling you the truth or lying. The same thing applies in what I do in a certain way, but not for nefarious purposes. Does that make

sense? Yeah, absolutely. So could I come in and help the FBI in a certain way? I believe that Maybe I could, but the percentage isn't what you think. You'd be like, oh, man, you're going to solve crimes. I'm going to give you 90% advantage. I might give you single-digit percentages because I'm bringing it from a different lens of how mentalists work, which, again, is done for entertainment. I am not claiming to be the world's best body language reader.

And a lot of what I'm doing is deception. But a lot of what hostage negotiators do is also built on deception. Of course, we're going to get you a jet. Of course, we're going to get you this. You want pizzas. We're sending them in. You're lying in a certain way to get people to believe you, established trust, and then con them.

I'm an honest con man. Right. Like when I guess Shane Gorman, I'm not stealing money out of your bank count while I'm doing it. I'm just giving you a fun moment. I can't fucking believe that has you throwing up and Joe peeing his pants lightly. Honest con man. That's right. What about, I guess you could, you kind of answer that question.

I was going to say, like, I think famously there's a story of a guy that, like, forgot his Bitcoin password and has, like, been trying to remember. I can only do that if he knows it. It got you. Yeah. That was, you answered that question. There's no way that I could get it if you don't know it.

Because that wouldn't be the skill that I have. But you legitimately, if you ask someone to think of something, you can like read it. Typically, yes, like within parameters. But like, it's not like anything.

But I like to lean into what people like. Where are we at, are we entering finale territory? Yeah, I'd be down for, I don't know. You can rattle off a few more questions. Let Frank.

No, this is really interesting, because, again, like, I'll hit you with my best shot. Dude, just don't. I have a question. You have a question? Oh, okay. Antonio.

What was, love that. What was the, like, weirdest thing someone attributed your power to? So I like to do things. What really, shout out to Greg, by the way, who has a book over here. I'm going to pick that one up. But I have a book. I'm not trying to hawk it, but I want, the reason I'm telling you this is because the book tells you a lot of the core skills that I use because if you're watching this,

you're entertained, I hope. But the reason I wrote a book had nothing to do with teachers. you how to be a mentalist. There's books on that. There's videos. That's not like that's a point zero zero one percent of the population. There are certain skills that I have that even if I quit being a mentalist tomorrow, I could use in any career that I that I have because there's certain overlapping skills of like how do you win people over? How do you become memorable? Right. How do you have superhuman confidence? Walk into a room, perform in front of 13,000 people at MSG, right? You 20 years ago would have probably crapped your pants. Frank still occasionally craps his pants.

But what I'm saying is, let's make it very clear I don't. We don't know. You know, sharding is totally within the realm. Why am I sharding? He's right. He has to be right. He doesn't know.

I don't chart. You're wrong on that. Frank, I can detect deception from a mile away. That was a hard sneeze earlier. Wet sneeze. So when you ask me, and you say that question of like,

say it again, what do they attribute the skills to? So I, the skill is the same of guessing a number of name. but I repackage it in a certain way. So here's what I'll do. I will do something memorable that the other person will always talk about. Talking about your childhood best friend is way better than if I told you pick a card and I guess

ace of diamonds. It's just not the same level of emotional connection. I will meet people and if they're pregnant, like a woman's pregnant, I'll be like, do you know the name you're going to name your child? And she's like, oh, and I will guess the name before they even do. And they'll literally keep it and put it in a scrapbook. And I've met people who 10 years later like, this is Dylan. You guessed his name.

And I'm like, I know that. And I look at him and like, Dylan, you were almost about to be Trevor. And she's like, how did you know that was the other name? Right? And she's like, and the husband's like, dude, get away. You're like, stay away from my wife and my kid. And so those types of things. They're attributing a power to something that's different than what I'm actually doing.

Also, never underestimate the power of a guess, which is you miss every shot you don't take. So I've done certain things that I can't explain. I don't know how they worked. I don't believe I'm psychic. I don't believe it's supernatural. I don't think it's twin telepathy. but I've iterated so much and I've done stuff that sometimes I get a feeling

and I trust my instincts. Do you play ping pong ever? No. So the reason I mentioned ping pong is when you're in a good rally, you're not even thinking. You're just acting. You're just like, dude, I don't even make that shot. If I may try to make that shot again 100 times,

it wouldn't make it. But right there in the moment I just made it. So there's that weird thing where you get in this flow state where I can sometimes nail things that I can't explain to you later. I don't know how. How confident are you going into like,

like this last. trick that we're going to do how confident are you that you're gonna get it right I'm not 100% there's too many moving pieces right now everything I've done so far is like I can juggle three balls but not an innuendo like just I can juggle three and I can juggle four that's like the amount of clown tricks I can do for my kids I've tried learning juggle five but it's like really tough and I miss or closing your eyes and juggling three right now I'm going into territory of closing my eyes and juggling three because you're gonna see there's all watch

this I like scenarios are interesting because that's where your mind starts to go now you guys are both into sports yeah right how did I know that he's wearing a jet's hat he's like how did you know that so when I walked in here how much time we had we had like two minutes when I walked in you were all freaking out you're like did you give him the door code I didn't give the door

how's that I was in here legitimate and we talked about while we were getting miced up I want them to know the precursor people go earlier like oh is this set up there's no setup I got here right before but you mentioned that you had throwing a pitch at the at the Padres game right we're talking about you should throw a pitch we talked about a little bit we talked about how bad my pitching skills might be I want you to imagine because the conversation always goes you watch sports TV SPN who's talking about who are the greats who are the greats of sports all different sports dead or alive and you start comparing you start doing the in my

day would this person how would they size up so here's what I want to try I want you to imagine okay that you're going to go first okay and and I'm going down the gamut of sports. I football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, like all different sports, boxing, like I'm watching your eyes trying to react, but one of the greats walks through this door. You see this person walk up right in front you. I'm giving you a marker and I want you to hold it under the table. So there's no way I can see and write down his name. It's a guy, right? It's a guy. Write down his name, but don't don't let Joe see it. Okay. I'm going to turn it. but I want you to write down who you went with that you physically saw going through.

Whoa, I'm going to close my eyes right down under the table. First and the last name. Joe, make sure there's no way I could see this. You can't see it either, can you, Joe? No, I don't know. Okay. And as soon as you're done, keep it in your lap or better yet, put it against your chest. So there's no way I could see it or put it in your lap just so we know you can't change your mind.

Okay, I'm good. And swear to God above that this was an absolutely random choice. Swear, I did not tell you who to pick. Right. We had all those sports, but you could have chosen from any of them. Dead or alive. Hold on now. Joe, Joe, at this moment, I pose the same question to you,

but you don't decide who walks in this room until I snap my fingers. You don't decide until that moment. Deal? Okay. Okay. You do not know who it's going to be yet, do you? No. Okay.

Watch, watch. It's only when I snap my fingers right now. You look through and right there, snap. That's when you make the decision. You see this guy right there and you go, oh, my God. Now, in your mind, look at this person. look at me okay all right think of his first name think of his last name now he now knows how i do the stuff with the names how long the names are so he kind of has oh look how he's getting tense he's like

oh god what do i do don't do i don't do what to do jo's just mad it's like i don't know what to do with my hands all right think of the first name that felt short and quick that felt felt like one syllable jumped to the last name two syllables i said dead or alive dead or alive dead or alive Think of the last name. Just the last name. Think of the first letter, the last name. It's not breathing. Go to the second letter, the last name.

The last reaction. When you say a vowel, I want you to understand it. The vowels, there's five of them. A, E, IOU. When you say a vowel, you have to open your mouth phonetically. Somebody who reads lips, you know, they watch. You have to open your mouth. Watch, A, E, I, O you can't.

Try to say an E without opening your mouth. You can't do it. You are trying not to. the last name, the second letter, because I was watching you. It's not a vowel, is it? It's not, correct? Because I was watching trying to keep your mouth closed. And when I said, greats, you know what you went with?

You went, great. Tis. Go, are you thinking of Tom Brady walking in this room? I fucking hate this. Be for real. Be for real. Are you thinking of Tom Brady? I am thinking of Tom Brady.

And you ready? I said dead or alive. And I know, tell me just so I know, what is your favorite sport to watch? Football. It's football is your favorite sport. But the power of suggestion. Why did I mention you throwing the ball at the Padres? Why did I do that?

Was that for fun? Nothing's for fun, Frank. Because I planted a thought in your head when you were debating. When I said dead or alive, you didn't decide right when you said, and I snapped, you saw Tom Brady, but moments before that, you were about to go with somebody else dead. Baseball. Lou Gehrig was the other person you were about to say, am I right? Am I right? That was the other one in your head?

Yeah. What the fuck is happening? Yeah. How the fuck is that? You know, I'm not. And then right over here, right over here. You know, I think, I think, I think, I think Frank wanted to stump me. Frank, even though he said, I picked it at random.

There's no way. I think you want to stump me. So I don't think you did football because I said jet, even though it's, it's random, you're not doing football. And then you looked at this man. And I'm not saying this a weird way, but you found him handsome. Good looking guy. Exactly. Exactly.

There's nothing wrong with that. And you looked at him. And in your head, you know how. I picture Tiger Woods. I always picture wearing a hat. You don't see Tiger without a hat. You saw this guy with a headband. Raphael Nadal.

Turn it around. Is that what you wrote down? Is it Raphael Nadal? Rafael Nidal! Yo, get the fuck out of here, dude. Joe, let me ask you a weird question. Can I ask you a weird question? Do you know Rafael Nidal's birthday?

Do you know it? No. That'd be super weird if you did. Am I in agreement? You could have picked a day? Grab your phone. This continues? I feel like crying for some reason.

I don't know. Like, I'm like, I'm going to throw up. This is like, Google it. Google it. I'm just so curious. What is Raphael's birthday? Raphael and Dahl's birthday? You could see it.

Whatever you want. I'm not going to guess it. I could have Google that. Grab me the marker, please. The marker please. What's his birthday? Yo, get the fuck. Do you want me to tell you or do I want me to just know it?

No, no. Tell us. What month and day? Month is June. Day is three. Does that have some bearing to you? Not that I know. Okay.

Okay. Okay. So June 3rd, you're a football fan? Fuck, I'm involved, yeah. What's, let's, let's piece this together. 6.3, June 3, June 3, do you agree with that number? Yeah, 6 3. First person you picked, Tom Brady, what's his jersey number?

12. 12, that's right, TV 12. Lou Gehrin, what's his jersey number? Four. Is it four? I believe it was four. Do you want fact check or is it? I'll fact check it, but I'm 90% sure.

Famous Yankees player, first baseman. I can't think of anything. I'm pretty sure, because the two biggies, we got right, we got Mickey Mantle 7. Yes, it was four. 12, 4, 6, 3. Does that mean something to you? What fuck is that?

Does that mean something to you, Joe? No. No. Rafael Nidal, I said birthday. His birthday is June 3rd. That is his favorite day of the year, I assume, right? But birth date, you only have one. A birth date is the month day and year that you're born.

Right? See what I'm saying? Joe, 12,463. Gentlemen, take a listen here. um, birth date is the day you're born. What was the date 12,463 days ago? It was Tuesday, February 25th, 1992. Yeah, I'm gonna have a heart attack.

What can that possibly be? Wait a minute. God, I'm gonna throw up. Fucking call an ambulance. 911. Help! Yo. Yo.

Also, I'm old. 12,000 days, fuck! I don't even have a word to say. Yo, I'm not kidding. Yo, that's insane. That's insane. I'm glad I wasn't on the receiving end to that because I would have fucking, if I were you,

I would go home and pray. I don't even, I don't know what I believe in, but pray to something. What can you say? What can you say after that? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This was my birthday fucking, and there's no, I don't know, man.

Congratulations You have done something that no one has probably ever been able to do We are absolutely speechless and dumbfounded You found our dumb Yo, I am I don't really know

How that's possible There's even more bad water in Joe's pants right now Oh my God, you have no idea It's in my socks right now So just Just to make sure that everyone that is watching understands I swear to God

there is no conceivable way that he could have guessed my person at random his people at random and then making it do that is like I'm like okay I'm thinking of Tom Brady

that's not that crazy that's not a crazy thing whatever I get Tom Brady I'm like cool finale I don't know about that I like Shane Gorman more than you I thought of

Raphael Nadal. Raphael Nadal's crazy. I'm gonna. Congratulations. Thanks, boys. That was unbelievable. I don't know. I, I, I, I, I, I can't.

What do I say? Nothing. There is nothing to say. They're befuddled. These guys talk for a living and they are done. I got nothing, man. I got really, I got nothing. That's, that's incredible. I want to throw. What is with that? That's a weird reaction. I don't know. Why? Has anyone ever thrown up because of some of, like this? A lot of you have cried.

Yeah. Definitely some people have lightly peed their pants. Right. Uh, some people definitely, right. Some people have one to strangle me. I don't know about the throwing up, but maybe that would be great to get on camera. That is shocking, dude. How I famously have only thrown up twice in the last 20 years. Wait, you came up with this trick to you.

Do you throw it out of your mouth and nose or just your mouth? It hasn't happened enough to be able to make. Oh yeah. You've thought like twice in your life. Yeah. That's it? I mean, not my entire life, but in the last 20 years, twice. You never threw up from drinking too much?

One time. Wow. One time. Did you ever throw up from drinking? Come on now. Dude. Yeah. Yeah.

It's called my whole 20s. Yeah. I can't think. I've just thrown up from running a bunch of times too. That I bet did you throw up when you were in fucking. There's literally a video of me in Greece throwing up for nine hours straight that went viral. And then my friend making fun of me the whole time. It is quite funny.

How do you throw up for nine hours? I don't know something messed up my stomach. I couldn't keep any food down. And then we just kept running and throwing up. Oh, you were running while this is. Oh, yeah. I was running 153. Miles. Okay. What's your resting heart rate? It's about 42.

That's good. Forty-two. Are you alive? Yeah. What the fuck is that? That's mine when I'm asleep probably 42. What are you pacing at these days? What are you pacing at? Running? Yeah. I don't know. I'm not that fast. Like I it varies. I run like seven three eight thirties. Okay. I mean that is fast, but it's yeah. I don't know if you're gonna be like a little four 30. Oh, fuck you. I just pace Kenyon. That's pretty much it. I mean, it. I mean, it's That's a pretty good pace. At what accuracy, I'm not putting you on the spot here, but what accuracy would you say that you can guess if someone's thinking of a number between one and ten? Pretty high. Really?

Yeah. I mean, that's a cool truth. We're not going to put you right now. We're not going to put you on the spot. Yeah, he fucking did this. Guess a number between one and ten. Yeah, I don't. You must be, fuck one and you.

You must, I can probably do that. I can probably do that. I can't. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What the fuck? You must be absolutely awful to play rock, paper scissors with. Pretty bad.

What am I going to throw out right now? Rock. Yo. You don't want a three shot. Do people, when they like recognize you on the street, they're like, yes, my pinkos.

So shockingly, no. People are pretty cool about it. It's very funny. I had one guy who we were on, we were at JFK. This guy's going to hear this shout out. And it was like,

so we literally were going on escalators opposite directions of each other. Yeah. Do you understand? So we're moving apart. And I'm texting because I'm trying to get, I'm not even texting. I'm trying to get like an Uber because I just got from a flight. And he goes, yo.

And I'm like, and I don't even does he say my name right. He goes, yo, yo. And I'm like, yeah. And I turn around the other. What's my pincode? I go, what? And he goes, no, you couldn't get it loser. Fraud.

He gave exactly three seconds. What's my pincode? I'm like, I don't know that he's talking to me. Do you understand this? Yeah. And then I go, no, he goes, knew you were a loser. I'm not kidding. Up so hard.

I was such, whoever you are, that was a great heckle. Dude, last night. That's the only time it's ever happened. Last night I texted them like I kind of want to change my pin code. You're coming into this. Can I plug something? Absolutely. All right, everybody.

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July, New York City. I'm shooting my Netflix special here, local, hometown baby. So everybody come. We're shooting a Netflix special. It's going to be two shows back to back. Come get tickets for that show. It's going to be incredible. Awesome.

Not only you're going to be in it, but you might be on Netflix for everyone to see worldwide. I'm coming. Congratulations. You guys come. Shane Gorman comes. Adam Kiltz come. Everybody. I am so susceptible to this kind of stuff.

I'm going to make the special. I don't know, man. I'm a little. This is amazing. This is unbelievable, truly. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. What a crazy thing, dude.

Thank you so much for being on. Go follow them. OZ, the Mentalist, on Instagram. TikTok, Facebook, everything. Everything. OZ, the Mentalist. I've already in your feed. You've seen me with sports teams.

Yeah. Now, top of the pyramid right here. Frank and Joe are thoroughly freaked out. Yeah. Dude, crazy. But yeah. Thank you so much. Thanks for watching.

We'll see you guys next time. Bye.