The Basement Yard - Joey Gatto Is In The Basement

Episode Date: October 19, 2015

In this episode, YouTuber Joey Gatto comes on to talk about the recent tour he went on & some other stuff that I don't remember.. god I hate descriptions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to the basement yard. This week, I got Joey Gatto, one of my old internet friends, is on. Is that all I am to you? Yeah, that's it. That's all you got. So Joey's a YouTuber, who's actually the first because when I first started YouTube, I didn't know anyone.

I would just post videos and like, that was it. I didn't really watch anyone. And then Joey, you were like the first person I was like in touch with, I guess. I was in like the YouTube community. Yeah, I remember I tweeted you as something along the lines of, hey, could we be friends? We basically got the same fucking name.

And you were like, no. I don't think I answered. No, you tweeted me once and I didn't answer because I was like, who the fuck is this kid? And then the next time you tweeted me and you're like, we got to hang out. And I was like, no. Was it as sus as we have to hang out?

No, it wasn't that. It wasn't like that. But it was something along those lines. And I was like, OK. I said something like no because I hate you or some shit. Something like that, yeah. I remember the first time we hung out in your basement and your dad comes down and your dad's like, hey,

what are you guys talking about? And we're talking about managers or something, like YouTube managers. He was like, hey, my son has more followers than you. How come you have a manager? And he doesn't. I was like, god, shit. I don't know how to answer this question.

Yeah, he's an idiot. He has no idea what's going on. I still don't have a manager, I guess. I don't know what. He also used to call me different names. Do you remember what he used to call me? He refused to call me Joey. No, but he calls all my friends different names.

He calls my friend Ralph Josh, my friend Josh Ralph, my friend Dylan Josh, and he calls this kid Alan Greg. He used to call my mom John. I'm not making any of this up. I swear to god. He would call my mom John all the time. My friends still don't know. They're like, why does he call her that?

And I'm like, I don't know. That's like a dude's name. Maybe he wishes he was gay. I don't know. My dad's allergic to the sun. He's got to be. What? No, let me explain.

Because every time he would have to drive me somewhere where there would be like, if it was in high school, he would drive me to school or something. Every time we got in the car, he would sneeze. I want to say 40 times. And I'm like, being generous. It could be more than that. He would just get in and sneeze from the second we got in

to the second he dropped me off. And there was one time we were all in the car. It was like Easter. And we're driving to my aunt's house. This guy starts his sneezing fucking thing. And so he starts sneezing. So he has a thing of paper towels, because he doesn't believe in napkins, because his hands are enormous.

And he'll rip a napkin to shreds. He's the size of a rhino. So he has a thing of paper towels. So he uses the paper towels to blow his nose. He takes his hands off the wheel to cover his face while he's sneezing. We're on the highway. And it's like everyone.

There's six of us in the car. And he's sneezing with both his hands covering his face. And then he leans over and takes the paper towels, blows his nose, puts it down, and then puts his fucking hands back on the wheel. So for a good, I want to say, 19 Mississippi, he didn't give a shit whether he lived or died. Bro, I feel like any time one of my friends is trying to

text and drive while I'm in the car, I'm just like, oh, well, well, fuck my life. Yeah, right. Yeah, I'm like, I'm pretty guilty of that. You just sit there and have a mini heart attack. Yeah, I'm pretty guilty of that. I text and drive, and it's so bad. I like trying not to, though.

But when I get to a light, I'll text and shit. But I'll never text on the highway. You're just asking to die at that point. Well, my big thing is picking songs while I'm driving. But I think that if someone else in the car, I'll get it. I'm like, no, I know where it is when I play this. I know it's four swipes down and then a half a swipe and a stop, and it's going to be right in the lower third.

But I don't ever crash it. I don't like to text and drive. Yeah, it's not. It can wait. It's like those fucking commercials. It's like they hold up the sign that says, like, half a word, and they're like, this is what she was typing with. Oh, my god.

I hate. They got to chill with them sad commercials. They'll be like, dude, you know what commercials I hate? And this is so bad. But those smoking commercials, where it's the guy who's just like, he took the words out of my mouth. He's coughing like crazy. And that is for real.

That can't happen. Listen, if you're still smoking cigarettes, wow, you're an asshole. Dude, you could clearly die. Like, it's an easy decision. But whatever. That's besides the point. Speaking of dying, what we're talking about in the car is

like, and it's not something I would obviously never do. It's a crazy thing when you're driving and some ballsy guys walking across the street, like, you know, you just walking through the park. There's no cars around. I could fucking kill this guy right now. You could just take him out. Anybody with a car is just.

You're in a, you're basically in a warship. And you could take out anything. It's a crazy thought. Every time I cross the street, I'm like, if any of these people are crazy, I can run my ass over. Yeah, right? Bro, I'm hyped for these self-driving cars. Have you seen the videos of these self-driving cars?

What? What is this, iRobot? No, it's for real. Dude, Google's making them. Do you remember iRobot, though? Oh, I remember iRobot. Where they just drive on the highway at like 200 miles an hour.

You could wank off while you're doing 80 on the highway in these cars. It's true, though. Like, wank off? What is this, Britain? Who says that? The. Wank off.

In all the advertisements, you see some British dude reading a newspaper while he's just zooming down the fucking freeway. It's unbelievable. I don't know if I would trust that, man. Well, it's supposedly safer than any human could ever be. But I don't think it takes into account the fact that other people are idiots.

Like, something like, I've heard the complaint is it's too safe, because it's not like logically thinking. It's just like has sensors and stuff. But I would love. It's probably really slow, too. I'm not sure. But when you think about it, like, to be, I don't know.

Think of all you could get done in a self-driving car. You could just go on long road trips. I'm just having anxiety the whole time. Like, go watch out. I don't know if it's going to turn or not. You know, malfunctions. Now we're going off a cliff. Who's responsible for that?

If you get into an accident in a self-driving car? I would like to think so. Yeah. Or maybe you're never at fault if it's not. Like, dude, this car is doing the right thing. You did the wrong thing, you know what I mean? So you're always at fault. No, you're at fault.

You bought this shit. Yeah. Or can it slam on the brakes? The fuck? Yeah, yeah. And it'll tell you to take over and stuff if the rain is too heavy for the sensors to work and stuff like that.

When is this coming out? There are ones that are made, but there's so many laws that have to be passed and stuff for them to be like street legal for normal consumers to use. But pretty cool. I don't know. I don't know if I would do that. I kind of like driving.

Not like fucking for hours, though. Remember those kids in high school who would try and tell you how fast their car was? Yeah. I always used to think, like, when the fuck is that useful? Like, when are you going 150 miles an hour in six seconds? My brother, he says, like, dude, this car can go, like, zero to 60 in, like, 0.7 seconds.

I'm like, dude, we live in this city. Like, if it's not a stop sign, it's a light. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's no open roads. And if there is an open road, there's bumps everywhere. Dude, you're not ripping this down the highway or anything. Bro, I want an electric car so bad. You don't have to ever fucking buy gas.

You just plug it in. I mean, shout out to the environment, but, dude, and the new more importantly, but save the money on gas. And the new Chevy Volt on an 8.8 gallon tank of gas, you get, like, 400 miles. Wow. Because it charges the battery when the gas turns on. Yeah.

And then when you run low on gas, the electricity comes back on, and it just rotates. Unbelievable. 400 miles? Yeah. What? It's, what is that, like, I can't even do the math. But, like, where does my car get fucking 40?

Like, no, my car gets, like, I don't even want to say a stupid fucking number, because I don't really know. But 400 is a shit ton, I know that. But I see the commercials on those cars, where it's like, they pull up in the driveway, and it do takes out, like, literally, like, a fucking plug out of, like, the license plate and plugs it into the wall. Yeah.

Is that literally how? I mean, I don't know what part of the body it comes out of. But basically. That's ridiculous. So far, I've talked about death and new technology. All right, so, but I wanted to talk about the tour that you just went on, because Joey, if you guys don't know Joey, he's a YouTuber, he's in a collab channel group

that I used to be in, called SDK. And they recently went on tour and did a bunch of shows all over the country, out of the country, actually, too, in Canada, right? Yeah. So yeah, how was the tour? It was really cool. It was, like, I've done, like, we did 10.

10 over how many days? 14. Oh, my god, that sucks. Nah, it was tight. You drove, like, most of them? Yeah, we drove all of them. Are you serious? Yeah, we had a 15 passenger van in a U-Haul.

And we just took turns driving, like, I've done, like, the corny YouTuber tours before. And, like, this was just, like, all of my best friends renting a van and just doing shows around the country. Like, it was tight. We did the House of Blues in Texas, which was really cool. Like, there was, like, some really nice venues. The venue we did in Toronto was one that the weekend's always at.

And it was cool. I think that the best part of tour was, like, so when we were in Toronto, the day before, we found this baby mask at the dollar store, this really creepy baby thing. Is it, like, the one, like, you see the guy in the city who's dressed up as a baby? Kind of like that. Yeah, except it's flat.

It's a cardboard just, like, shampoos in your head. Hold on, I got to have a surprise. All right, so I put on this baby mask, and I'm, like, during, like, the opening doors, I'm, like, I'm going to do a DJ set, and no one's going to know it's me. So I'm out there in a baby mask. And before, I bought, like, tons of vegetables.

So I bought. Why? I don't know. I bought... All right, I went to go get milk because I thought it'd be funny, like, the babies drinking milk on stage. Yeah. I couldn't even drink it through the mask, but I just thought I bought, like, broccoli, carrots,

zucchini. I bought all this weird shit. And so, like, I'd be playing, like, just Drake because I'm in Toronto or whatever, and I would throw carrots at girls in the front row, like, I got tweets that would, like, DJ Babyface hit me in the forehead with a carrot, and I'm, like, well, it sucks for you. You never revealed yourself?

I did, like, weeks later, like, on the internet. No, I'm talking about that now. You didn't tell me when you just walked off. No, I didn't. But, yeah, it was so funny. You had thrown broccoli and zucchinis into the crowd? Bro, I swear to God, I would, like, hold up a piece of zucchini in the air,

and the crowd would go, ah, and I'm laughing so hard at myself, like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah, it's zucchini, like. Yeah. I threw whole zucchinis at 14-year-old girls. It was definitely the highlight of my tour. You're such an idiot.

I remember telling people, like, because I was, like I said before, I wasn't really into, like, the whole YouTube community. I didn't really know anyone, and when I joined this group, I went to an event, and I'm like, this is fucking Mayhem. Like, it's a bunch of, like,

I think the first one I went to was in Philly, and it was that, like, thousands of people there, I think. Or, like, a thousand people? I don't even know. It was tons, it was a shit ton of people, just screaming at the top of their lungs. I'm like, what is going on right now? Yeah, it was.

Like, it's the most wild shit. I'll never forget when we did the one in Orlando together, and you were, like, hammered, maybe the whole, I think, the entire weekend, and, like, you would walk around the lobby and, like, girls would ask you for pictures, but you were so trashed and completely denying the fact that you were drunk,

but you were like, I was live, and I remember having to almost carry you back to the room. It was really bad. There was an event called Playlist Live in Orlando, and on the plane, I didn't know this until after, but apparently if you drink on a plane, one drink is, like, two drinks. And-

I didn't know this. That's what I heard. I don't know if it's, like, factual, but I've heard that from multiple people, they say, because you're in the air, and, like, it has something to do with the altitude, whatever the fuck it is. But I had, I got a jacket,

because I don't like flying, and I kind of got over it now, because I've been flying a lot, but that was, like, the first time I flew in a while, and I didn't, I don't like flying, so I was like, I'm just gonna get a drink. So I got a jacket and Coke, all right, and I got one, and then I asked the stewardess

for another one, and she just gave it to me for free, and I was, like, sick. And then I asked for another one, she gave me that one for free, so I'm like, here we go, all right? So I had four of them on the plane. I had the fucking flights two and a half hours, I think. So I had, like, four of them,

so I'm pretty banged up at this point, and we get off, and I was with Jonah, and we were coming out of the airport, and I was looking for a taxi, and then I hear this girl yell, Joe, so I turn around, even though it's like the most common name I've ever, could've been anyone.

So I turn around, and there's this girl and her friend, and she goes, do you guys need a ride to the liquor store? I was like, yeah. Okay. Completely goes against anything my parents taught me, like, don't talk to strangers when I was younger, but she was like, need a ride? I was like, yeah.

In my mind, I'm like, if this girl's bad, I could easily take this check. She's smaller than me, I could beat the shit out of her. But, so we went to the liquor store, and we got a thing of sorok, and I think fireball, like a big thing of fireball and sorok, and we started drinking that, and then by the time it was nightfall,

I was banged up. It was bad. I remember being, the next day at the meet and greet, a lot of people were like, are you okay? I was like, yeah, what are you talking about? What the fuck did I do last night? I was like, I'm chilling. But I remember being in the lobby

and being really drunk, like gross drunk, and I remember you being like, you were trying to be like, and I remember you trying to be like, hey, come on, Joel, let's go upstairs. And I'm like, oh, you, my dad, get the fuck away from me. I was like, I'm fine. The story of you getting in the car with them reminds me,

this is like another kind of weird thing I did, but like, I just think shit like this is funny. Yeah. So, I had this extra loaf of bread. It's always a weird, like, supermarket item. I'm at my dad's house, and he's about to drive me home, because my car, I didn't have my car in me.

And he's like, yo, you bought this loaf of bread, like no one ate it. What are you gonna do with it? And I was like, I'm gonna give it away to somebody. So, I go home, and I- Who thinks like that's the thing? Yeah, I'm gonna give it away. I tweeted a picture of the bread at this statue

in like my town, and I was like, whoever wants it, this is the address, come get this loaf of bread. So, like, an hour later, I go up there because I'm walking towards the train anyway, and these two girls like get out of the car, and they're looking for the bread. It's already gone. And I'm like, hey, I need a ride to the train.

Can you guys just, like, drive me uptown real quick? They're like, what? I'm like, yeah, I just hopped in their car. I'm like, just make a left up here. And I got a free ride to the train while giving away a loaf of bread. For those wondering at home, it was the whole wheat white, you know,

like that fake whole wheat, that's like still white bread. It was one of those. I don't even know. I was gonna say, those are two completely different breads. Whole wheat white. It's like dyed white whole wheat bread. Oh, jeez. It's kind of stupid.

It's probably filled with poison and other things that will affect me when I'm like 80. Yeah, probably. Or, you know, whatever. But yeah, that was pretty fucking lit up on that trip. But I remember meeting a bunch of people who were important, I think. Who were like, I remember that whole week,

I was like, Joe, you gotta stay next to me because I don't know any of these people. And like, there was these like YouTubers that are huge. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know who the fuck that is. I'm just walking by, just like whatever. What's her name? Grace Helbig. I remember meeting her and I was fucking lit up.

And I knew who she was. And I was like, I know you. And she's like, typical drunk person shit. Like, hey, I know you, right? I had my fucking figure in her face. And she's like, what's up? She was actually really nice about it. And I saw her the next day in front of the hotel.

And I was like, I'm sorry. She's like, no, it's cool. Cause I remember the next night she was fucking hammered. That was great. I remember the first time I met, I didn't meet her, but Jenna Marbles, it was the first YouTube event I ever went to. And that was back when she was like,

king of the, your queen of the internet. And I was standing in line to get a drink and she was two people behind me. And I turned around and I was like a little, a little drunk, which means I was probably pretty drunk. He was probably hammered. And I saw her and I like, I froze. I was like, I had this like big conversation.

Like, what the fuck would I even say to her if I went up to her? That's like a line from like a high school teen movie. And then I, what would I even say? And then I turned back around and I just, I didn't make eye contact cause I thought she thought I was staring at her. That's great.

That's, that's great. I remember the first time I met her. She, I wasn't, you know, I was so dumb. Like I was hammered. It was at the playlist, I think. It was a different one though, right? No, no, I think it was that one. And I was fucking lit up that whole weekend.

I don't know what I'm thinking about. But yeah, it was that one. And we were at that place, here comes Keith. Oh, hey Keith. We were at that, it was like a, there was like an after party with like a dance floor and like a bar or whatever. So I'm getting a drink and all of a sudden

she comes up behind me. Why are you undoing your pants, Keith? Like you're right here changing? Yeah. Give me a warning, you know? Now I got a boner. Now I gotta handle this. Now I can't focus.

Yeah. How much focus is over? Yeah, so she was, she was, she comes up behind me and she says something, she says like, hey, she's like, hey Joe, and I turned around and she had like pink, blue, purple, all these colors in her hair, general. And she had like pink, blue, purple, all in her hair.

And I was like, yo, your hair's fucking crazy. I didn't even say hi. That's all I said. I was like, yo, your hair's fucking crazy. And she goes, yeah, I know. I like dyed it, whatever. And then I said something else. I was like, oh yeah, nice meeting you.

And I was like, wow. Bro, I just remembered that night, I was really drunk too. And the next morning we woke up, remember we just, I never hated myself more. We stared at each other like, yo, what the fuck happened? There was goldfish all over the fucking hotel room? No.

Oh, yeah. That might have been. Yeah. What did I say? Yeah, you were like, I don't really like any of the shit that you put out, but like, you're cool. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I might have said something like that.

I don't know. There was something along those lines. I don't know exactly what you said, but you said something along like, I don't really like, like, cause a lot of people were making a big deal with you and him for some reason, Nash career. And you were saying, you were like, hey, I don't really have like a beef with you.

I just don't like any of the stuff that you put out. It was funny. I used to be very vocal about the internet people. I didn't like on Twitter. I mean, at this point, I don't know. I mean, the other day it was funny. I saw hashtag Carter Reynolds was trending. And I was like, oh, what the fuck did he do this time?

But it was just like people tweeting how much they love. That kid's the fucking worst too. I've never, how old is he? Is he 18? Can I legally punch him in the fucking face? You want to be snappity. I love to legally punch that kid in the face, like in a UFC octagon, just like,

so I don't have to go to jail. Maybe just wear a ski mask and just blast him in the face and run away and he'll never know who it was. Yeah, well. It'd be nice to keep like an octagon on retainer for situations like that. She's like, can I just, oh, he's in the city. He's in the city.

Yeah, let's reserve this. All right, all right. Get the fuck in what's going down. It's not illegal if it's in an octagon. But yeah, so I mean, so yeah. Oh, actually, one more thing from that night. I remember I always blamed my manager for hating myself the next day

because I remember we're at the party. I was at the party and he was like, yo, there's this other party with an open bar. Oh, here we go. And that's when shit went down. I don't remember, I remember freestyle rapping with some dude I'd never met before. It was just like me and you who went, right?

Oh, you were there. Yeah, it was that collective, I think. Yeah. Yeah, no, it wasn't. No. It was terrible. You were freestyle. Wow, on the outside, I remember that. We showed up.

I think it might've been with like Timothy DeLaGhetto and Streetlight or like something like that. I don't know who the fuck Streetlight is, but I don't remember Tim being there either. Or maybe I'm crazy. Maybe it was there. But you, I remember that. We went and there wasn't a ton of people there.

Like the other party was way more popular and we went there and. It was like a 20 minute bus ride. Yeah, it was like a 20 minute bus ride. I'm like, yo, when is this bus stopping? Like, come on. Oh, you freestyle with them after on the bus on the way home.

Also, also, because we got there and we were just chilling. Like we had some drinks and like, you know, whatever. And we were talking to some dude and then we went outside on like a balcony and then people were rapping. And then they had like a shuttle bus that took everyone back to the hotel.

And that's when you were rapping with like Tim DeLaGhetto and like a couple of other people. Yeah. And I was just like, I'm not even gonna get involved here. I'm all fucked up. Remember when we made a song together like a year ago? Like a really terrible song. Yeah.

It was great. Yo, by the way, that song that you made. When I sent you another post. Did you dopper some shit? Oh, no, that one. Yeah, that one's sick. Oh, thanks. I like that one.

I'm dropping an EP soon. Dropping it. Make the plug. We the plugs. Really on the plug. So you're dropping an EP. What is the difference between EP, LP, like what is it? Do you even know?

I don't know. I think the LP is just the name of... Huh? It sounds for extra stuff. Yeah, it's EP, cool, but it's... Yeah. Economic plug. Platonium.

Yeah, exactly. I think an LP is a type of record. An EP is just a short album. I think an album has to be 10 tracks. Six? I think under eight. So how many are you gonna do? Five?

Five to six, yeah. Why's that dropping? I don't know. I got one track done, and I think I have all the beats now, so it shouldn't be too long. I'm working with this really sick producer. I think he's the best producer in the world.

That's my opinion. Of course. Well, the thing is, is like, I'm not like a gangster, as you can tell by the way I pronounce the word. Okay. So like, it sucks because no one makes like,

the producer himself, he calls it, not even like, it'll be nothing like, I'm geeked up. I'll show you after this, but he calls it like indie hip hop. It's like more real instruments, and not like, ukufami in the club.

Yeah, yeah. Like dark rap beats. I hate to use this comparison because that's what I'm gonna get, but like Gambino and Chance, the rapper have been like, the only people to me to like branch out and hip hop with different kind of beats and stuff,

is more similar to that. Right, so it's more like upbeat than it is like dark. Not necessarily a beat, but I guess less. This is different, like a different sound, like personally, I like like when you hear beats with like,

ukulele in it or some shit, you know what I mean? Just like a sound you never heard before. Oh, like every, the background music of every YouTuber's videos. Yeah, exactly. But not like that. But even just like a piano,

I mean outside of Kanye, like who's using like real piano keys and their beats? They use a piano, but it's like the piano's making guitar sounds. Not like a synth though, like a real piano. Dude, I've been like lately, not lately,

but like I went on YouTube the other day and I was just like watching. Oh God, so bad. I don't want you to do it anymore. It's so, it's terrible. It's really bad. And it makes me feel like, I don't know if people say that about my shit.

I do to my family. I say that to my mom, I tell her all the time. No, but it's really, it's really, really bad. And I don't know, like I just really, right, that's what I'm saying.

Like, like dude, I was just, I was just, me and Keith, we went to a Bo Burnham. Do you know Bo Burnham? I love Bo Burnham. He's great. Dude, we went to a stand up, go to a show.

If you can go to his stand up, his tour right now at any like city, go. It's a great show. It was like, you know, I went to lose. I saw his last one online. I went to Louis CK.

That was my favorite comedian. And Bo Burnham was better than him. And he was at MSG. Like, he was, he was phenomenal. He's a genius though. He's actually a genius. So anyway, the reason why I brought this up is because,

like once, once I like, I was always a fan of Bo Burnham. That's why I bought the tickets to the show. But like, I love to watch interviews of people that I really like and stuff like that. So like, I was watching an interview with his and he voiced it perfectly. And I tweeted it out.

He was saying how, you know, there's this new generation where people are like, trying to be super best friends with their fans. Like, oh, yeah, I love you guys. And you've been there for me like thick and thin and like this weird, like this weird concept where it's like,

he's like, that's not the case. You know what I mean? Because like, you don't know them. That's obviously not genuine because you don't know who you're talking to. You're talking to the idea of people who support you, which is nice, but to tell someone that individually is like wild.

You know what I mean? And he's saying, it's like, it's an exchange of goods where it's like, it's entertainment. And if you don't like it, throw me to the wolves. Like, don't like leave me. Like, if you don't enjoy it anymore, just leave because then it forces you to get better and like whatever. But people now, it's just like...

Bro, when I went to, you know, I'm a big fan of Tyler, the creator, maybe one of two or three people in the world, I would stand in line to meet. And when I went to go meet him like six months ago, this girl in line who was in front of me goes up to him and goes, I love you. He's like, no, you fucking don't.

It's true. It's the same thing. It's like, you don't love me. Like you might think you do, but I'm glad you brought it up because I've been going through quite like a little existential crisis of my own on YouTube because I know what content I make is good and what's bad.

Like the great thing about Joe Sanagato is Joe Sanagato can talk about anything by himself on camera and it's funny just like, because you're more of a standup comic. I personally feel like I have to, like I do the interviews and man on the street stuff. But when I'm not out with other people and I'm sitting there talking by myself,

it's just not what I should be doing. But like, I live in like this middle class, boring white people town in New Jersey. It's $28 to come into Manhattan where I don't have people who can film for me. And like, there are certain topics I can ask, like you saw the Kanye video I did, like did you vote for Kanye for president?

Anyone can answer that. But if I want to do something like a little abstract, like I try to do this video in my town, I go to people and be like, hey, roast me, make fun of me, any joke you want. They're just too, you have to go to Union Square for some shit like that. They would go in on you.

You used to say on your old channel that your views went down when you stopped posting every week. Like you got to be consistent. So like I have this battle, like do I post something? Like I hit three weeks and I'm like, I got to put anything up on there or, especially with the way the algorithm on YouTube works,

you stop showing up in people's sub boxes if you become inactive. I've seen it happen to plenty of my friends. They miss two months and their views get cut in half instantly. Like you have to keep up. So if it was up to me, I would just put out music and interviews with people

because that's what I think I'm the best at. But sometimes I'm just like, I don't know. My friends were like, you're at the post every week. I'm like, you sit and talk by yourself and you think you're good at that. So go ahead, but like, I don't know. It's weird, it's really annoying. Like to be a YouTuber, you have to follow like.

It's tough because like people tell me too, they're like, dude, how do you come up with these topics? I'm like, dude, I ran out of topics two years ago. Like I don't know until Tuesday. And then I'm like, oh, fucking, I gotta make this. But like I've been, I've been chirping in from the fucking background. I'm like pointing the mic.

Do you want to sit over here? But yeah, but I, it's tough to come up with topics and like stuff and there's been times where I didn't put out a video because I filmed it, edited it. And I was like, I don't like it. Like I think it sucks. So I won't put it out.

Where I know that if I did put it out, it would still get the right amount of views. But do I want that to be the video that an important person sees and goes, so this is what this kid is? But it's also like a matter of who is it for at that point? Like, yeah, you could post a video of you shitting on a Ticonderoga pencil

and it's gonna get a lot of views. That's so specific. Cause people like you. So people are gonna be like, oh, Joe posted a video. I'm gonna fucking watch it every Tuesday. That's exactly what I don't want. And that's why I don't cater to that.

But that's what people tell me. They're like, oh, post whatever. But that's not the point. I want to like it. Like, bro, I've deleted so many videos. I get tweets every day. Where's this video? I'm like, oh, I decided it sucked.

So it's gone now. Yeah. I always, like I had a conversation with some kid the other day because he's like, oh dude, I'm thinking about starting a YouTube channel. Like, do you have any advice? And I get that a lot.

And for whatever reason, I answered this kid and I was telling him like, you just gotta make shit that you like. And I think now, I don't know why, but I think now in this day and age and like this generation, there's a lot more people that are taking risks and trying to do their own thing creatively,

like whether it's music or YouTube videos or whatever it is. And I really, anytime I have that conversation with someone, I try to tell them like, don't try to fit that fucking YouTuber mold because that's only gonna last so long. You know what I mean? It's like, you can't fucking just do that.

Like make videos that have a cool thumbnail, but the content is like, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, whatever, it has to appeal to everyone. It's really tough. I'm like telling people like, make something that you think is good and it's not just a video.

Like you can't just wanna be a YouTuber. Like you have to wanna be good at whatever it is that you're doing. Saying you wanna be a YouTuber is meaning you wanna be famous. Yeah. There's, cause you could be a YouTuber, right? That's not, but say yeah.

Saying you wanna be a YouTuber is like, I just want all those followers. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's bigger than that. YouTube's just a platform. It's a stepping stone. It's not like the permanent place. It's a bad platform because there's a lot of kids

that just wanna just fit that criteria and that's it. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean. That's a bad platform for a lot of people. Dude, don't, if you're gonna talk, fucking come over to the mic. Don't fucking scream from back there. Yeah, you know I do.

I mean, a big issue I have with a lot of YouTubers is they live in this fantasy world that YouTube is gonna be what they do forever. Right. That is a fantasy, la-la-land approach to life. It's also like a shitty goal, I feel like. I live, you know what, though, I agree. Unless you are making good money until you're 50,

go for it. If you're, I mean. I know people who get $50,000 brand deals. Like, that's what people are making a year. Yeah, dude. Like I'm saying, unless you're like, you know, these people who are like Jenna Marbles and these prank versus prank

where they're putting out videos every day, they're getting fucking millions of hits. Like, yo, you're making ridiculous money. Like, and especially with brands, it's like you're chilling. Like, that's your job. You know what I'm saying? That's different. You've created like a brand new brand.

It lives on YouTube, but it's not really what I consider YouTube because like they are the exception. But for everyone else that falls in the middle, it's like a tough thing to do. Like right now I'm making really good money doing it. Like, it's just spiked. Like I'm making really good money now doing it.

And I still don't want this to be my permanent thing. I don't want it to- It has a bad reputation as well. Being a YouTuber isn't something that people in traditional forms of media respect. They do, I think, abuse some of the YouTube stars for their followers and, you know, get them to come on their shows, make appearances

or they tweet it out. I mean, that happens all the time. I have friends who have tons of followers. They get these offers for these one-liners in movies and then they have to do like all this social promotion for it. The movie wins. They get it tweeted out to millions of people.

They give this girl or guy one line. I mean, yeah, it's like, it's like, that's why it's not really acting. It's like, yeah, I don't, whenever I have conversations with like people who are like producers or they have a TV or a movie that they wanna do or whatever the fuck it is, I'm like the biggest piece of shit ever.

Like, I'm really like, I'm like, you're not gonna take advantage of me. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not, I don't give a shit about being on TV or being in a movie or any of that shit. Like, I would love to do that, sure, but I'm not gonna do it just cause you're like, oh, here, do it for free, help us out

and we'll put you on TV. Like, I don't really care. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care about being on TV. All I care about now is being good at what I do and that is all. And that's all I think should matter, is that you wanna be good and that's it.

And like now, I feel like I have to be, like I'm forced to because my fucking Facebook page exploded and now there's a million people on it. And now I'm responsible for entertaining these people every week. That's the thing, right? And then you just turn into an asshole if you just don't put something out.

Yeah, when Joe hit a million likes on Facebook, he completely changed. He's a complete dickhead now. But it's funny you say that because I was talking to my friend, you know, Josh Computer Nerd. We were talking about how when we were younger, cause you know, he used to be like

one of the kings of YouTube, like in 2010, he was pulling like 400K on a vlog. His parodies would get 10 to 20 million views. Like, he was the shit in 2010. And he was like, you know, back when I used to not care, when I used to post it, whatever I want, what I love to do, everything was great. He's like, but when you get the followers coming in,

I feel the same way. Like I used to have so much fun in high school and early college posting whatever I wanted to do. And then followers come in and you're like, it's like pressure. It's like, you can no longer just go, I'm gonna put this bullshit on the internet. It's like, whoa, this has to be really good.

Or like people are watching now. It's a terrible backwards, like. It depends what it is because I feel like for me, it's pressure in a good way where it's like, it forces me to be good because there's a lot of people on that Facebook page, they're not younger, impressionable people who are just like, there's 3% of the people on that Facebook page

are from the ages of 13 to 17. Everyone's 18 to 24 or older, everyone. Like it's mostly 18 to 24, then 25 to 30 something. And those people, they don't give a shit who I am, what I look like, all they care about is what's coming out of my mouth and if it's gonna make them laugh. And that's the way I've built my quote unquote brand. So for me, the pressure is good because I'm like,

I can't just take the easy way out and be like, yeah, I'm gonna just say this, but it's not, like I didn't really work on it. Like now I'm like, let's go, let's fucking put something good out, let's make sure everyone fucking likes it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I found like with me, if any other like perfect YouTuber mold fitting YouTuber had had the collabs

that I've had in the past two years. I mean, like, J.C. Kalin is huge, like Arden Rose, Jack and Finn Harris, all these people with millions of followers have like either put me on their channel or shouted me out or been on my channel. And I'm still like, not the shit. And that's because I don't make the kind of videos that they do every week.

So people fall off. It's like, it's weird to try and gain the audience of the older people. When I started off trying to go younger, it's like I'm stuck in the stigma of... Right, I mean, it really depends on... I appreciate, you know, them. Like it's not like, I don't mean it like I don't want them

there, it's just like, it's hard to branch out. It's like, like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, like doing all that crazy shit to get away from like the Disney, I don't know if I'm gonna do everything all crazy Miley Cyrus did and like shave my head and like rub my JJ on the screen and shit, but... Dude, her fucking Twitter picture,

I saw it the other day for the first time, it was absurd. It looks like she has like glitter jizz all over her face. Glitter jizz. Yeah, it's like jizz, but like with glitter in it. Like it's so weird. That sounds like you buy at Spencer's. Yeah, glitter jizz. A pack of jizz. You guys have the purple glitter jizz?

Yeah, do you guys got that? How much is that? $10. Jesus. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I think with you, you should definitely not try it. Like I feel like you should just not start over,

but basically start over where you're like, this is... No, I mean that like, I meant like not like... I know exactly what to do now. What I meant was like not delete your channel and fucking make a new one. I meant, and like completely rebrand yourself. What I meant is just kind of like, I don't know, like kind of keep it real with people.

Like, cause that's what I've been trying to do the whole time with people who are watching me. I'm just saying like, this is what I'm gonna say, you know, and this is how my personality is. And if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. So far, a lot of people liked it. So it's just nice.

But that's the thing. It's easy for me because I don't have to act or I don't have to worry about what the hell I'm saying because it's all like genuine. It's like, it's how I really feel about most things in a funny way. But for you, that's not what you do. And what you do with those interviews with people

is like, great. Like dude, I've sat in meetings with people who are like these big time producers and they've been telling me like, have you ever thought about doing like a man on the street thing? I was like, I can't. Like I just, I'm sure I could, but I would be forcing it.

Like, you know what I mean? I'm not really good at that, but you are like phenomenal at it. Like it's hilarious. Every time you make those videos like the way would you do for a dollar? It's like, dude, this kid is just not embarrassed or scared at all.

Just walks into the lion's den. You tweeted like, like YouTubeed and Vine'd my one video. Like you plugged it on all of your social media accounts. It was like, we couldn't get, when Joe is in SDK, we couldn't get him to do anything that ever had to do with tweeting anything that we were doing. Like Joe, we're getting paid to tweet through this,

this company, you have to tweet it. He just, he cut me, cut me out. So. I don't know where, I'm just not going anymore. Yo, I really could, no, the reason why I stopped going to events had nothing to do with like the group. It was just really like sickening. Like just watching how brainwashed young people are.

And I don't even know, like that could have been me when I was younger, you know what I mean? I have no idea. I don't even know. But like people who are that age are so easily impressionable that's like, dude, you guys have no idea what you're even cheering for. Yo, it's crazy.

And I remember this one girl, I walked out cause I just didn't want to fucking be in that room for the SDK, New York thing. Dude, there was girls like, they were crying cause they didn't have enough time with like SDK. And I'm just like, why is that such a big deal? Yeah, it's different to me. No offense to SDK, but it's just like, I don't get it.

I've never had that much of a crush on a person. Yeah, you're totally fucking emotionless though. That's different. You're a fucking rare breed. Bro. But I understand being a fan of someone, you know what I mean? But a fanatic, I don't.

It's like a different definition there. I don't know if that was like another thing. Yeah, it's like how you approach the situation. It's like, you, like, I know you love J Cole. Like. Yeah, I'm not going to like fucking, like, hug his leg and just. Hey, what's up man?

Yeah. Love your music. That's it. You know what I mean? Rap to me. Yeah, exactly. Yo, that's another thing. Some dude from Vine.

I don't know his name is like Chris something. Melburger. No, no, no. His name is like a. Chris. Yeah, that kid. He posted a tweet of a Vine and it was him, like someone was filming him from their account.

And he's like sweaty. Just came out of the gym. You could tell. And the girl goes, say you love Kayla. And he goes, Kayla, I love you Kayla. And you can tell that this kid's uncomfortable, right? Cause obviously that's a weird fucking thing in the world. And like, that's the worst when people put your phone,

their phone in your face and it's like, say you love my friend who you couldn't possibly love. Cause you've never met them before. You know what I mean? Say you love them. Like, dude, bro. And if you don't do it, you're like, I've done that. I'm like, dude, that's so weird.

I'm not going to say that. Like, or talk to my friend on the phone. Like, like, dude, I put, I put out videos every week and like, that's my, that's my thing. That's my job. I put out videos and you guys can entertain there. But now at these things, now I'm working for you.

Now I have to leave videos on your fucking friend. Like, you know what I mean? That, like, I feel you. That doesn't even really bother me, man. The worst thing, I'll never forget this. This girl who her and her mom spoke no English, knocked on my door one day with a blank sheet of computer paper and a pencil.

And they were just like, shoved it at me. And I was like, yes, what can I help you? And they were like gesturing for me to sign it and then speak English. In pencil. Yeah. And it was the weird, like, I didn't want to be like, just slam the door and be like, no, but it was,

it was inappropriate, but it was like, it was super confusing, man. One time I got tweets, these two girls, they were like, Joey, we're outside your house. Like, come home or like, go outside. And I'm like, no, I wasn't home. And I delayed coming home for two hours because of them. Dude, there was a time where it doesn't really happen

to me often because I really make it, like, known that this is not okay. But like, dude, Easter Sunday, some woman showed up. Woman, a woman showed up with her daughters and was like, we want to pay Joe $500 to come to, to come to our friend, to come to our house and come to our party. It's Easter fucking Sunday.

You know what I mean? My dad was home and he was like, and he was, dude, he, my dad, you know, my dad, he was like, what? He was so, he was like, he couldn't even wrap his mind around like, how do you, how are you a grown woman? And you think it's perfectly okay to drive here from great neck, right?

Which is a decent, like 30 minutes away. Drive here and think you're gonna show up, give me $500, I'm gonna get in the back of your car with your fucking daughters and drive out and hang out with you at your fucking house. Are you crazy? Yeah, well, I mean, this is how murders happen. This all sounds like, you know,

hashtag internet famous people problems. But the bottom line and the whole moral of the fucking stories is like, relax. Like, it's like, I'm not that cool. It's not about being like. Like, I have no problem with people like, dude, I wish we were friends, like you're hilarious. Like that I like, you know what I mean?

Because like, let's hang out, let's have a conversation. Like, I remember Louis C.K. said, he's like, anytime someone asks me for a picture, I tell him, no. Like, I'm not taking a picture with you. Let's have a conversation. You mean, you know what I mean? Like, let's hang out, let's have a conversation. If I'm in a bar and someone's like,

oh man, I love you, so I'm gonna have a picture. He'd be like, no. He'd be like, let's just hang out and talk and that's it, that'll be it. You know what I mean? Just that'll, like, which is better. You know what I mean? Bro, when I was in Toronto, I stayed after 30 minutes

and there were like, this is like 10 people outside and I just talked to them for like a half hour. It was really nice. It's so easy. It's so much fun. Like, dude, that first show that we went to in Philly, like I wasn't like super known all over the internet. So when I went outside, like no one was like screaming

like they were for other people who are huge. And I was just walking around talking to people the whole time, which is totally cool. I've never denied a person a picture or any of that shit. You know what I mean? All I'm saying is that it's less uncomfortable when someone's like just having a conversation with you and just like talking about what other.

Cause then it's easy. It doesn't feel like weird. Like I don't like feeling like the center of attention and feeling like, like the, like, like I'm higher than a person. Like they're putting me up. Like I don't like that at all. Like I like feeling like, dude, we're here.

They're at the same thing. You know what I mean? I love talking. Yeah. I love talking to the parents though. Talking to them is just so funny. Some of them are like bigger fanatics than the actual child.

And it's just weird at that point though. Bro, you know my dad, another dad story what he did at the New York show. My God. He goes up to this girl in line. She must have been like 13 or 14. And he goes, do you want me, I guess they had met earlier.

And she said hi to him or something. He's like, do you want me to bring you to the front of the line? And she goes, no, it's okay. And he goes, what grade are you in? And she goes, I'm homeschooled. And he goes, that's a shame. Then he grabs her arm,

brings her to the front of the line. After she said no. After she said no. And then she met us and then she told me that story and during the meeting and I was like, I'm so sorry for him. He is something else. But no, but your homeschooled, that's a shame.

I can't believe you said that. That sucks. He is just, but no, I'm glad you brought up like, this does sound like internet people problems. And the only reason I brought any of that up is when you were saying like people recording videos, it's like, that is not the worst of it. No, yeah, it's not.

It's just, it's really weird. And like, the reason why I talk about it and the reason why I'm talking about it now is because a lot of people see that happening to you and they assume that you love it. And you know, it's like a cool thing. And even people who would say like, oh, like I don't listen to these two fucking kids

complain about people loving them. But it's cool until it happens to. Like, you know what I mean? It's like easy to say, oh man, I would love that, but you really wouldn't. Like it's like uncomfortable. I mean, some people love it. Like, you know, there are some people that are just like,

look at me. But I'm just like, dude, I feel, I have crazy anxiety. I used to have crazy anxiety. I think a lot of YouTubers are bullied in high school and then they got fainted. That's what happens. That's when they get cocky is when they were bullied in high school and now they think they're on top

of the world or something. Yeah, dude, it's just, it's like, that's why I just, I don't care. That's why I just don't care. The only thing I care about is being good. That's it. I mean, like, yo, like when you're, Yeah.

Like when you're like Sam or whatever, like if like girls come up to you, like that's gotta be super weird. I don't know, because she knows how I am. And a lot of people know how I am too. Like I just don't care. You know what I mean? Like I just don't, like that part doesn't do anything for me.

I'm thankful and, you know, it's cool that you, like as long as you're cool about it, like whatever, not like screaming in my face, making a scene, like that's wildly inappropriate behavior. But I have no problem with that. But everyone who knows me, like they'll make jokes, whatever, but they know like that doesn't faze me. It doesn't get to my head.

It doesn't make me feel like more important than someone. I actually don't like it that much depending on where I am. Like if I'm on a train and someone says hi to me, now the whole train's like, what the fuck is this kid? And I'm like, fuck. Like, yeah, it's like, it's so, it's so weird. No, I totally agree. It loses its like, I don't know,

the initial impact like years ago is like, oh, wow, this is different. But then it's, yeah, it's, it's like, like you said, like feeling like you're above someone, like when they treat you that way is like, I don't, yeah, I don't like that. I am nobody. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't like that at all.

I don't like when people like, like do that. And I don't like when people do that to me, like if I'm having a conversation with them and now I can tell that they're already leveling the conversation at first and they're trying to make it seem like they're up here. They're talking down to me over here. Like, dude, like don't do that.

You know what I'm saying? Like I'm just not that kind of person. Like I'm not really, I don't fan over anyone really. I like, I love athletes and shit, but I would never like freak out if I met one. That's just how I am. And like, I just don't understand how other people's mentality is like that.

But I guess, you know, to each his own. But yeah. I'd freak out if I met Oprah. Of course you would. That'd be, that would be tight. Maybe like, Jesus, I would probably freak out asking for a picture. I would, I would really flip.

I'd like, yo, Jay, I would call him Jay. Yeah, but yo, Jay, get in this Snapchat real quick. One of those to my story, real quick. Shout out to Snapchat having like, do you have a Snapchat? I have a Snapchat. I don't use it very much. I don't like, I don't use it like that much, but like, you know, I maintain a presence on it,

but dude, there's new filters like every day. I never use them. I see. Dude, it's wild. It's wild. I can, I can honestly see someone being addicted to it. I had, I had two accounts. One was like a private account and then the,

my public account, I deleted the other one. Cause like, I just was on it too. Like I was like, dude, I gotta get rid of this. This is like sickening. I gotta do something else. That's why I bought a piano and I'm playing piano now. I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm taking my time elsewhere. When did you stop playing piano like years ago?

Yeah. Well, I was like eight and I took lessons for like a year, but they were very basic lessons and I don't remember anything. So it hasn't like, you know, anything helped at all in the one before? Maybe, I don't, I don't know. I think it helped only with like rhythm, but like, I can't read music,

but I can't like, you know, whatever. I just, I just know, I guess like it within your fingers, like playing a whole chord, which is just three, like, you know, three keys at the same time. Yeah. Which I don't know if that's difficult when people first starting out, but like. You know, like the space in your hand.

Yeah, I know like, kind of. Like it's all, it's like, it comes back to you a little bit, but like, I never really got fully into it. Like I would have lessons like once a week, I think. Yeah. And so I did that for like a year and then I stopped doing it and then I haven't played since until right now.

But I've been just watching piano tutorials and just like kind of going over it. Yeah, that should annoying. No, yeah, cause you keep trying to play when I'm trying to sleep. Yeah, but you want to sleep like 9 p.m. Sorry, I have a real job. Oh.

Oh. Whoa. Yeah, but you can't play piano like me. Your motherfuckers will enjoy that piece of shit. How long has this podcast been? This is 55 minutes long. Really? Yeah.

How long do you think it was? Like four, six, four, six hours. Four, six, four, six hours. Anyway, we can wrap this up. I guess. Where can they contact you if they want to contact you or see what you're doing? 1877 Cards for Kids.

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