The Basement Yard - Talking Porn with Asa Akira

Episode Date: February 20, 2018

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Welcome back to The Basement Yard. Today I have a special guest. One of the most recognizable, I would say, porn stars, Asakira. Thanks. I think people are gonna be like, how the f**k are- do you know Asakira? Well, we met at Barstool. We met at Barstool. You did me and Glennie's show. Right. Which is a lot of fun. Yeah. Actually, how did we even get you for that?

I have no idea. I think I talked to- I just noticed my f**king wall is leaking. What the f**k? Oh, s**t. It's raining like crazy today. Yeah, I don't know what the hell is going on. My room is just f**king leaking now. What happened? What's going on over there? My headphone stuck, but keep talking. So you're from New York, right? I am. Yeah, I grew up in New York City.

So I was born at St. Louis Roosevelt Hospital. We're going all the way back. Yeah, we're going all the way back. And then I lived in the West Village for a while, and then Chelsea for a while, and then I moved to Japan when I was six. You moved to Japan? How long were you there? I was there for like six years, and then I moved back to New York when I was 13,

which is like the worst time to move a kid. So wait, why did you move back to Japan? My parents work. My dad's a photographer. So I guess he got a new gig in Japan or something. Oh, nice. And then you just moved back to New York? Yeah. And then, which is the worst, because I was like a really good kid up until then, and then like it just kind of like rattled my world. And then...

What, the whole like going from Japan back to New York? Yeah, like I was a really good kid. And then once I got to New York, I was like, oh my god, I have no friends. I'm a teenager. Like I don't know anything about American culture. Like it was so such a shock that like basically I just started fucking boys and doing drugs. I was just gonna say like, so that just results in, you know, let's fuck it. Dicks.

So parents out there, like don't move your kids at that age. Don't go from New York to Japan and back to New York, otherwise. Yeah, no. So how does that even happen? How did you get into that? I mean, exactly that. You know, like when I was in New York, when I came back to New York, I went to a private school and my theory is that like private school kids are way worse than public school kids in New York. Especially like from a young age, I feel like when you just have all these rules and shit,

it's like you gotta wear these clothes. Yeah. Especially when you start sucking dicks. And then exactly. And then like all like I went to the UN school. So like all these kids parents were like diplomats and like Al Pacino's kid went there and like they were like they had really rich parents and I'm not rich. Like I just happened to go there because my grandfather was a diplomat.

So I just got lucky and I was there like on a scholarship. But all these other kids, I was surrounded by these like super rich kids whose parents would go to Europe like for a month and so it'd be like free crib for a month and do whatever you want. I'm sure they were like fucking nice places too, you know? Oh yeah, like Brownstones and like in Manhattan. Yeah. Like insane. So yeah, it's just crazy.

Like I can't believe I'm alive. So you started sucking dick and doing drugs and shit. When did that start? Was that like high school or was it like super young? So I discovered sucking dick in eighth grade. Eighth grade was the first dick. It was the first dick I ever sucked. And I remember that was the first time like I ever had a penis so close to my face.

It was the first time you saw a dick? Like a real dick? Like really up close like that. Like until then I had like I had touched a penis, you know? Yeah, like yeah. And it was like under a guy's pants. You know what I mean? I wasn't like...

We're talking flesh dick. Yeah. Okay. And like it was so close to my face and it looked so like fake to me. I was like for that first second I was like, wait is this guy trying to like fool me into thinking like... You thought he had like a dildo attention? I thought he was like, yeah.

But then it came so like it was real. You didn't know the whole time. You're like, I don't know if this is like a thing, but I was just hoping this works out. Kind of. You're like, okay. And then shortly after I discovered drugs, I mean, I don't want to say drugs. Like I wasn't like a drug addict or anything like that.

But I was definitely doing like recreational drugs every weekend. And it just... In eighth grade? Yeah. Well, ninth grade is when like the drugs started. Nice. Yeah. So were you just like...

You got your first taste of dick. You're like, fuck it. Now it's like eighth grade. It was... Did you ever get like backlash from girls? I mean high school, like they were probably just like, oh my god, fuck her. Totally. And like, but I remember being called a slut from like when I was like in fifth grade

and I wasn't doing anything right. Yeah. Like literally a girl called me a slut or no, a guy called me a slut. He said that, you know how like you have these like little relationships when you're like in fifth grade where it's like, you don't even talk to each other. Yeah. It's like you love them the next day. Yeah.

And like you've never even like had been alone in a room together. You held hands once. It's like getting pretty fucking serious here. Yeah. And so like I was in one of those and then the guy like broke up with me and then he told all his friends that the reason he dumped me was because I'm a slut. And I remember like going home and like I heard this and I went home and I looked up the word slut in the dictionary and like back then...

What's the dictionary? Yeah, it's in the dictionary. But like back then it didn't really mean like a promiscuous woman. It meant like an unkempt woman is what it said. Like so basically like a dirty woman. Right, right, right. So like I was like, what? Like I don't understand like I was so confused.

And then but yeah, like once I started sucking dick and stuff, I remember I remember like I had my girlfriends, but then like the girls that I wasn't friends with, I remember them calling me a slut. And by then I was like whatever, like you're jealous that you're not sucking dick is literally how I felt. So I feel like fifth grade super early, by the way, for a dude to be like, ah, she's a whore. Yeah, I hadn't even like French kissed a guy.

Yeah, that's so weird. I know. So when did you like figure out you're like, you know what, I'm going to pursue this. Like professionally, like, you know what, this is my calling. This is my shit. So I was always really drawn to like sexuality. And like, like even before, you know, I was giving blowjobs. I always thought like, I thought like hookers and strippers were super glamorous and cool.

Like I don't know where that came from. And like I'm, I'm very lucky in that like I've never been raped or, you know, molested. And so I don't, I don't really know like what sparked that in me. Like I don't know why I was always like so drawn to sex. But like I just remember like I couldn't wait to start fucking. Like what did that happen? That happened in ninth grade. And I was like, I, I was just like, I cannot wait to get rid of this virginity thing.

Like, oh, get it off of me. And then, um, and then like by the time I was in high school, I remember I was like, ooh, like porn stars are so glamorous. And Jenna Jamison was huge then. Yes. And like she had an e true Hollywood story. I had all these ideas in my head of like how glamorous a porn star is. And, um, and I don't know.

Like I just always, and I told my friends back then too. Like I was like, ooh, I want to be a stripper, you know? And, um, so I don't know. I always had that like, um, desire, I guess. Did you start off being like a stripper? I started off as a dominatrix. What does that even like mean? Like I know what it means.

It's kind of like, I thought that was just like something people are into. I didn't know it was like an occupation. Right. Like you thought it was a hobby. Not, no, not even. I thought, I thought it was just like, I'm a dominatrix. So like when I have sex, I just like, throw a ball.

Like a sexual orientation. Not like an orientation, but like a preference. Right. Right. Like, you know, I, I throw elbows. Right. Right. Right.

So what does that, what does that mean? Um, so like basically you're, I'm not, I'm actually not a dominatrix by nature. Like I'm not into that. But I was 19 years old at the time and it was just like kind of, it just kind of happened. Like this guy just came up to me and he was like, hey, do you want to be in the adult entertainment industry? And I was like, yes, absolutely.

It just happened randomly. It just happened. He just came up to me on the street. Like I was just walking on the street and this guy came up to me. Well, how old are you? I was 19. But like I already had, oh no, you know what? Yeah, I was 19 and I already had my fake tits.

So like I was already like putting it out there that I'm like a slutty person in the world. 19. Okay. I'm like, I think it was my birthday gift from my first husband. At 19. You got married that early? Yeah.

So like, and he was like a 30 year old dude too. But anyway. This is some like upbringing here. Yeah. And you know, I feel like I, whenever I describe like my upbringing, I feel like I do my parents such a, like a, what's the word? A disservice. A disservice.

Cause like they were such normal parents. Like they're still together. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they did everything right. Are they like super conservative? They're not super conservative, but they're not like, I mean, they're not, they're neither extreme.

Yeah. You know what I mean? They're normal parents. Like they don't want their kid to be in porn, but they're also not like disowning me. Right. But yeah, like they were great parents and they love me and like, you know. It just happens. It just happens.

Opportunity came knocking. You're like, fuck it, take it this. So, yeah. So I was a dominatrix and that means like I worked at a dungeon and like I'm like guys. You worked at a dungeon? Yeah. Like it's like, so it was on 33rd street and it was called the nutcracker suite and like

basically it's just, it's almost as if like you go up to a huge apartment with lots of rooms. And like in each room, each room is kind of like dedicated to something different, but they're all like SNM related and like, and so clients would come and they would pay. I think it was, I don't know how much it is now, but like back then it was like 250 bucks or something for a session and then you pick the girl that you want and then you guys go into the room and then you tell the girl your fantasy, which is usually like, oh, I like to get beat or I like to worship feet or I like to get fucked in the ass with a strap on.

Right. You know, the usual. The usual. The usual. And then I would do that and they're allowed, if they're good, the whole session, they're allowed to masturbate at the end. If they're good. Yeah.

So that's all about like permission and shit. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no sex. There was no sex unless you were banging the sewer strap on that kind of. Does that count? Well, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there's no penis in my vision. Right, right, right. So you were just like beating up people for a living, basically. Kind of, yeah. Or like crucifying them, whatever's going on. Dungeons like a hard word, by the way. That's like, it sounds dark and like red lights. Yeah.

Like if he had said, come up to my dungeon, I don't know that I would have been like, okay. So you want to come work in a dungeon? It's like, what's up? Yeah. What do I get? Do I have to bring a sword? What are we doing here? So you're a dominatrix and you started there.

So then that was just kind of like a gateway drug to the rest of us. And then exactly. It's, and like, I mean, I don't see it as like a gateway drug because that is like a negative connotation. I see it as like, I took baby steps into porn. Right, right, exactly. You know? That's what I meant. So yeah, like I, I was there for a year and then I met a stripper.

And then I started stripping at the hustler club, which is on the west side of Manhattan. And then I did that for a couple of years. And then I was on a radio show called Bubba the Love Sponge in Florida. I met them through the strip club. And then finally I met a porn star named Gina Lynn, my first porn star. And I was like, you got to get me in like, please, like I'll do anything. Yeah. And she just kind of like showed me the ropes.

And I did my first scene with her. And she hooked me up with like the agency she was with and all that. So wait, the scene was like a girl on girl thing. Yeah. So that was your first one? Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty solid way to step your feet. Oh, totally.

Yeah, totally. And she was, she was this chick named Gina Lynn. And at the time she was like huge. Yeah. So yeah, like it was, I felt, I, I've had such a lucky career. Like I, when girls are getting in now, I'm like, man, like don't expect the kind of luck I had. What is it like, like to get in? I feel like it's wild.

Like you just got to, I was going to ask, because I assume that the first scene that you ever do is kind of weird. You're like kind of nervous. Like, I don't really know what to expect. And it's like this horror, it's like losing your virginity all over again. You know? In a way, yeah, totally. But like also not really because I thought I was kind of like, it felt like, okay, like

when I turned 30, I had this thing where I was like really expecting myself to have like a nervous breakdown. Cause you know, you watch TV and you're like expecting a nervous breakdown when you turn 30, like insects in the city and stuff. And then like, but, but then once it came, it was like no big deal. And shooting my first porn was kind of the same thing. I was like kind of trying to like psych myself out. It's like to get myself to like be like, okay, here we go.

And then I did it and it was just like the most normal natural thing. And it was awesome. Like it just felt like a heightened sexual experience. Do you know what I mean? Really? Like with cameras and lights and shit? Yeah, but I, but that's the part of porn I like. So to me, that wasn't something to overcome.

That was like, that was the part that I like. Like, like to me, like I couldn't be a hooker because like there's no camera. Like that's the part I, I like the performance and like, I like that people are going to masturbate to it. And you know, like that's the part I like. Yeah, the production part. It's like that's the part though that everyone was just kind of like, like this is like, there's people in here.

So I got to have to like kind of psych myself up. Yeah. Like that's something you got to get used to. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're kind of like, I need, I need this. Now you can't have regular seconds. Like get a camera in here or something.

All right. Get a crew. Is anyone even watching? Yeah. Open the fucking window. All right. I want people to hear this. I mean, like, I would say if you're, if you don't like that part,

then it's probably not the right job for you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Is there like, so I've always had this question like thinking about it. Like, do you get paid differently for certain things? Because I'm assuming like the crazier it is. It's like, all right, we're going to have to, you know.

Yeah. Of course. Dish it up. So how does it like work like that? So like a gang bang. It's like, all right, well, I need double if there's going to be two dicks here. More than double. Hello.

Yeah. Okay. So like the cheapest thing on the menu. This is great. I'm getting the price right now. Yeah. Is, and everyone has like a different price range, obviously. Do you make the price or is it just like,

this is the industry standard sort of? There is an industry standard. And then within that, there's like tiers. You know what I mean? So if you're a brand new girl, you're not making as much. Once you establish a name, you can make a lot more. And then like, and then, you know, there's obviously like a final level. And so like the, the cheapest thing on the menu is solo masturbation.

Nice. That you're like not getting a whole lot of money for. All right. And then the next thing is girl, girl, lesbian sex. Okay. And then the next thing is girl, girl, anal. Girl, girl, anal. Yeah.

What is that? Like, like you would, like lesbian sex with anal sex involved, like, like with a dildo or fingers or whatever. Probably a tongue, you wouldn't count that. Not really. Tongues don't count. No, that, that goes, that falls under girl, girl, lesbian. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, um, and then after that would be boy girl. So just P and V boy girl sex. Good old P and V. Yeah. And then boy, girl, anal. Okay. And then, uh, oh, oh, and then somewhere in there you have, um, boy, boy, girl, boy, girl, girl. Okay.

So actually, yeah, three some. So price wise, it would probably go girl, girl, girl, anal, boy, girl, boy, boy, girl, boy, girl, anal. It's usually like a couple hundred extra bucks for each guy is like what it is. And then it was like, you know, it was also a bonus here. Yeah. And then, and then boy, girl, anal, and then DP double penetration. Well, didn't you just say like boy, boy, girl?

Yeah, but you can do boy, boy, girl, Vaj. Oh, okay. You can even do boy, boy, you can even do boy, boy, girl, anal without DP. Okay. That's pretty common actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, and then DP and then, oh, and somewhere in there it's, oh, shit, I forgot blowjob.

So blowjob is right between girl, girl and boy, girl. Okay. And then. So many combinations. I didn't even think like people could do this many things. No, and then like somewhere in there, somewhere in there is blowbang. And honestly, I've never. What is blowbang?

It's like a gang bang, but only with blowjobs. Oh, like a Bukaki kind of. But not Bukaki because like that's usually 30 dudes there just like. Yeah. And Bukaki is like, you get your face like blasted, whereas the blowbang, like it become, could go anywhere. Like you could, it could go on your hand and it would still be a blowbang. Okay.

You know? Yeah. And so, so yeah, blowbang is somewhere in there, somewhere. Like I don't, I don't really know how much that is to be honest. And then, and then gang bang is like the ultimate. Gang bang is the ultimate. Ultimate, yeah. I mean, what qualifies as a gang bang?

You know, I've asked this question myself, like. It's kind of like, it's kind of like serial killers. It's like hard to find one definition. Like how many do you have? Yeah. It's like, you know what I mean? I think it's, I mean, I think, I think like the not legal description, but like the most official dictionary definition definition of gang bang is

probably three, but it doesn't, to me, like, to me, if like my friend, we're like, Oh my God, I fucked three guys. It was a gang bang. I'd be like, bitch, that was not a gang bang. Yeah. You know, I think. It's like three guys, but it's mayhem gang bang. I don't think I count that as, I think if anything, you got a train ran on you.

Right. All right. Yeah. But I thought, I don't know. I feel like that's like a street term and not like a. Yeah. But like gang bang. I always think about like, I feel like a, like growing up in a gang bang was like two dudes.

No. And I'm like, no, that's a threesome. And I was like, all right, gang, like when I was like in eighth grade, I was like, all gang bang is like two dudes with a girl. And then I was like, all right, gang bang. Now I'm like, all right, three dudes. Like I don't, now I don't know. I feel like, like a respectable gang bang would be like four plus five plus really.

Yeah. Now that is a gang. Like at five banging. Yeah. That's a five dude gang bang. Like at five, you're not going to be like you didn't get gang banged. That's a long day's work there. It's actually the easiest job ever of the gang bang.

It's easier than the other ones. Oh yeah. Like I, yeah, because in a gang bang, like you kind of like in a gang bang, like your only job is to enjoy yourself. I guess so. Yeah. Whereas like, okay, like if I'm having sex with one dude, like I have to be on top a lot. There's like a lot of leg work that goes into it.

I have to like arch my back a certain way. And then, you know, like a lot of times I'm like sucking his dick and showing my pussy to the camera. And like there's all these like logistics that I have to think about. Yeah. Like to make it a performance. Whereas like when you're getting gang banged, like because you have a dick in your mouth, probably one in your ass, one in your pussy and two in your hands.

Like, like you can't like, you can't do anything. Do you know what I mean? Like, so all you can do is just lay back. I have no idea what you mean, but I like get what you're saying. You know what I mean? Like I can't, I can't even like bounce up and down. Like I just have to like lay there, just hang out, take it and enjoy it. Right.

So it's kind of the easiest day. Is it enjoyable all the time? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know about all the time. Like I've only done it. There's sometimes like, yeah, I just don't want to fucking do this right now. Um, I think part of the job is that you have to like be someone that once you're on set,

you have to be able to get into it. Sure. You know, yeah. But like, I've only done like three gang bangs and I don't think that I wouldn't want to do them on a regular basis. Like they're definitely a novelty. It sounds like a lot. Yeah.

Like I wouldn't want to like, in fact, if I, I could go the rest of my life without getting gang banged again and I'd be all right. I'm on the same page. I'm good with that. I'm good on the gang bang. Yeah. That's just a lot of stuff going on there. And I think there's also like weird fetish stuff.

Like there's like this dude's dressed up as a clown and like, or like, I saw some shit. Someone texted me one time. It was like a picture of two dudes dressed as pterodactyls. Wait, what's a pterodactyl again? Like a, like a dinosaur bird. Oh, why? That didn't happen. What was the girl dressed as?

Or was it a game? I think it was just like, I think it was just like a, no, no, it was like a girl, just like as a girl and she was getting picked by pterodactyls. And there was like, like a shrubbery around. Like they were in the forest and shit. I was like, well, naturally, I mean, where else are they going to be? Like in a mansion in LA? That's true.

That is very true. Yeah. That is true. I mean, yeah, there's definitely weird fed. Oh, so like that's another thing that would be on the menu is like, if you're just doing a foot fetish video where like someone's just licking your feet, that would be probably cheaper than a solo. Dude, I feel like people like sometimes on Instagram,

like I'll get tagged in pictures and I'll look and it's like this foot fetish page. I'm kind of like, I'm kind of, I'm kind of down to like people like, I don't like my feet. You're down, like you're looking down on them. No, no, no, I'm down. Like I'm like, cool. You know what I mean? Like good. I'm glad someone likes my feet.

You know what I mean? Oh, your feet. Yeah. They put my feet on there. They put, they take pictures of like pictures I upload like in the summer of like me and my friends like at a pool or something. They'll like crop my feet and then like tag me. Like zoom in on it.

Yeah. And be like Joe standing out his feet and I'll just be like, that's kind of dope. I think that's when you know you've made it. When people fuck with your feet. Yeah. Like if you type in any celebrities name into Google, eventually you'll get to so and so feet. Yeah.

So that's the thing. And I feel like that's always happened to like girls like on Facebook. So I'm doing a measure. I'm like, $20 picture your foot. And to me, I'm like, yo, easy money, like send the feet. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like there's also those people who be like, send me used underwear. Oh yeah. Like that's like a thing. Right. I got really into that for one weekend. Yeah. And you're like, like shipping out all your underwear. Oh my God.

Like, so I'm really like, I'm very like all or nothing. So like everything has to be like, I would never be able to like hire an assistant, for example. Like I like to do everything. Yeah. I'm the same way. So like if I'm going to sell my underwear, like that's what I want to dedicate my life to for that day.

So I decided to like sell a bunch of old wardrobe that I had that I can't wear in any more pornos because I've worn them too much. Yeah. And like for one entire weekend, it was all I did. And I got so hardcore into it that I started selling all my real things. And like, and by the end of the weekend, like I had nothing left. And the apartment. I was like, shit.

Like I don't even have a bikini to wear like to the pool with my friend now. Oh my God. How much does like, how much for, I'm not going to ask you how much money you made in that weekend, but like, I made a lot. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, is it just like crazy prices? I don't remember the number, but so I was selling everything at like $200 a piece. And then I started selling like my real shoes because then I saw that people want shoes.

Shoes is another big one. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I'll sell you the shoes I wore on a set. But then they were like, no, we want sneakers. So I was like selling my real life sneakers. And I was there authentic, you know, you didn't go out and buy sneakers. No, not at all. Everything was authentic.

And I sent it out with like a Polaroid of me wearing it. And no, I went crazy. I think I made something like 20 grand that weekend, just like selling every, but like my whole home office just like turned into like, it was like, because I was selling, sending everything. There's just boxes. USBS. Like it's not my business.

You know what I mean? Like I was just doing it for a week. The guy at the post office was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. And like on the international orders, you have to like write down what you're sending. So you're just on the way. So I just wrote down like, like clothing or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. That's incredible. I feel like there's so many ways. Also, like the webcam stuff, I feel like also that's a good thing. I don't like to webcam. It's just not fun to me, but like I definitely do. Like there's this I called only fans. That's huge right now that I love.

And it's basically like an Instagram that you subscribe to when you can do anything. Yeah. I see you post that on Instagram. Yeah. It's like a, yeah, because you can't like post your fucking asshole. No, definitely not. No, not even close.

Yeah. Yeah. So this is just like subscribers that pay in and stuff. Yeah. And then I'll like shoot videos like pretty much daily videos of myself, like masturbating or you know, whatever. So it's it. Yeah.

So it's pretty fun. Like it's it's definitely now that I'm not like really, I mean, the last three years I was with a company called Wicked. So I was only shooting like one movie every few months. And then right now I'm not even shooting at all. So it definitely like satisfies that side of my. Are you like out? You know, I'm not out out, but like I'm deciding what to do and getting out is an option.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But you're exploring other other things. Yeah. Like I'm I'm definitely like right now because I'm going through a divorce. So like I'm mostly and my ex is still living at our LA house. So like right now I'm mostly in the New York house and then, you know, the job with barstool and then like I have all this other stuff going on so I can occupy my time.

But I'm sure like the second I get bored, like who knows? Like I'll probably just go back to fire up that gang bang. Yeah. But who knows? So I'm like at a weird place in my life where I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. So you're just like doing a bunch of stuff. Like how did you get hooked up with with barstool? Um, I was so I wrote a couple books and I was promoting the second one and I did an interview

with Kevin for KFC radio or no, it was for mail time back then, which is now KFC radio. But um, and we just I met him on Twitter. Like he was tweeting about serial, the podcast, and I was really into serial at the time. And then like, I guess we had mutual fans and they were just like, oh, this person talks about serial too. You should go on their podcast. So it kind of works out like that. And then I went on his podcast eventually to promote my book. And then from there he was like, oh, do you want to do a podcast here?

And then they were like, oh, well, why don't you just come on board full time? And then it just kind of like snowballed from there. But now I'm not with them full time anymore. And they're like on a freelance basis. So when you were there full time, were you writing articles? You were just doing the podcast and stuff. You know, like my, my contract there was like really loose. It was like just vague.

So yeah, I just come through, hang out, fuck it. Kinda like, and like people would ask me like what my title is there. And I like literally like at Barstool, it's like you're either a full time employee or you're an intern. Right. And like that's or you're, or you're doing like obviously sales or accounting or whatever. But like on the content side, like you're just called full time employees. So like that's what it was. And I would just be like, oh, I'm just a full time employee.

I have a company called Barstool. So I have no idea actually. But I would do podcasts and I was on KFC radio for a while. And then they had to take me off because they couldn't like sell ads with me as one of the hosts. So I mean, because of the porn thing and, and I guess like, you know, Barstool definitely like haters to a different kind of like advertiser than like, you know, I don't know, like they're talking with like Disney and ESPN and like, you know what I mean? So it's a little bit different.

And then yeah, like even though they hired me to be like their resident porn star, like it just ended up not really working out. There were so many things they couldn't use me for. So, but I'm still like doing my thing with Glenny. I'm doing my podcast with Glenny there. And, um, yeah. Glenny's a good dude. Yeah, he is.

I like Glenny a lot. He's, you know, he's only 21. Yeah, I know. I didn't even like, I didn't even know that until like, I got a message from Barstool. I was like, we're celebrating Glenny's 21st. I was like, what the fuck? This gets 21. Yeah.

Cause he acts like a 45 year old man. Yeah. I thought he was older. I thought he was like, at least around my age, you know what I mean? He, you know that like him and so he's from Long Island and him and his friends, his other 21 year old buddies. They're in this, they have like a breakfast club where every Saturday morning they go to Subway for breakfast and they just talk at Subway, the sandwich shop.

That is like, that is old man stuff. It's like Dunkin Donuts is like usually the place where it's like all the old dudes just like hanging out, talking shit. He's just, everything about Glenny is so charming. Like I, it's impossible not to love him. His friends are probably super psyched that you're doing a podcast with him. Um, maybe, I don't know. I think they are.

I don't know. They gotta be. They gotta be. Some of my friends would be like, what, you know, like I didn't even tell anyone that you were coming to. Yeah. Like, so they'd be like, what? Like, what the fuck?

But you know what? I meet people that are fans of yours all the time. Do you? All the time. Like ever since you did our show. Yeah. It just like started because you know how like someone like won't really be on your radar, but then the second they are, like they're everywhere.

Yeah. Then they're like, oh, you know, yeah. So, yeah. Who? Where? Cause I always feel like I'm super on to the rail. A lot of people that listen to this podcast actually. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I've, I've actually met quite a few people that know you from your podcast and not even like your YouTube stuff. That's fucking awesome. I could, I, I enjoyed the podcast more than like the other stuff. Really? It's just more like natural. I mean, I guess it's more natural because like when you get on the video, it's like you're

we're performing, you know what I mean? With this, you're just kind of hanging out. Like shooting the shit. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not really like trying to be funny or like being whatever. Like this is how I have conversations with people, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. And it's just like, it's, it's fun that way.

I like podcasting a lot. Like that's definitely something I'd like to be able to do forever. But also I think like you're kind of the only New York YouTube guy. Yeah. No, I don't know anyone who does it here, honestly. Yeah, I don't either. So there's that. Like you're like, do you get recognized a lot on the street?

It happens. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what a lot is. I don't know what people. Like how often? I mean, if I don't really go out all like to places that you would get recognized all the time. But if I go, if I go into Manhattan and like, you know, whatever, then like, it'll happen like on the train or whatever and be like, Hey, what's up, whatever.

It usually happens when I'm out somewhere, at least, at least one person or like, you'll know that someone recognizes you, but they won't say anything. Yeah, you can always be super uncomfortable. You can always tell because they can't stop looking and yeah. And I'm just, and I just like, I just, like I would rather you come up to me and say something. I agree with that. Because it just makes me feel like weird because then it makes me feel like,

am I just like such a narcissist that I think people are looking at me or are like, I just want to know. Do you ever have it when like you're out with your friends and like, like you'll say something or you'll be like, Oh, like, I don't know. Like, I'll, I'll, I've had it where I'm out with my friends and like, someone will recognize me, but I can tell and then I'll say something like, I'll be like, Oh, that person's gonna ask for a picture. I bet you anything.

And then like, they're just like, who do you think you are? Yeah, yeah. That's why I never say that. But in my head, I'm like, Oh my God, like I can't say that. So I just, I just don't say anything. It's important to have those friends though, I think. No, I know. My, my friends to this day are just like, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, you're nothing. Yeah, exactly. I like that though. That's why I love New York because when I, if I'm in LA. Yeah. And there have been times where I've been in LA and people are just like, and then I get back here and my friends are like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah.

Here, if you're like, Oh, I do YouTube. They're like, that's great. You should probably get a job. Yeah. You should probably do something with your life. You know what I mean? If you say that and I was like, Oh my God, what's up? You know what I mean?

It's, that's the difference. And I like that. It's so true. And I've met other YouTube people and you're so unlike any of them. They're awful people. I know you can't say that though. Cause didn't know, but I say that all the time. Those are your co-workers.

I mean, your peers. I know like they're really bad though. Like I've met a lot of them and I'm just like, I would never hang out with you. Like I would, I can't even have a conversation with you because it has to turn into that and it's just not, like that's how their brain functions. It's always about what's going to get the most attention

or whatever. It's like, yo, just, What do you think of the Logan Paul thing? Like it's a psycho. Yeah. He's clearly a psycho. But I can also almost understand like that pressure to like produce content. That's what I said too.

I said that originally when the first thing happened where he like filmed a dead body. I was like, all right, I can understand this. I think he's 22 years old. Oh my God. So even more so. Yeah. So he's super young and he was like big on that at Vine.

So he was like winning for how many years. Right. And then he's putting out shit every day. It's like, all right. And no one's telling him shit. No one's keeping him in check. He doesn't have friends to go, yo, you're a fucking asshole. Right.

Everyone's just like, yo, you're the man. Right. So why couldn't he feel like, We can't expect him. I'm gonna film with that body. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, fucking go for it. He probably was like, this is going to be great.

Yeah. I mean, that's clearly what he thought because he put it out and put the thumbnail and everything. But then he like made that apology or whatever. Two days after he comes back to YouTube, he posts a video of him like shooting a taser at a dinner at. Yeah, I heard about that. I'm like, first of all, like.

Like read the room. Read the room. And also like, what are you doing? That's so weird. But also it's kind of like you said, like he's 22. He's been famous on Vine. How can we possibly expect him to be like a normal person? Yeah, exactly.

I just think, and that's why I said it about the original thing. And I'm like, when he comes back, whatever thing would be cool. Because I did believe him. I believed that he was like super sorry. Right. You know what I mean? No, I believe him too. I was like, I can totally understand this kid like fucking up.

I mean, I would never film a dead body that's kind of out of control. Right. And whatever. But at least when you make a mistake, you make up for it. But then coming back and shooting a taser at a dead rat, it's just like, that's just weird behavior. Yeah. In any context.

Like even without a camera. Yeah. I'm like, if I was with my buddies like, yo, watch this. I'd be like, dude, what are you doing? Like the fuck is going on? Also, isn't that like literally one of the signs of a serial killer? I said that.

My last podcast, I recorded it like two days ago. I was talking. I was like, dude, I watch a lot of documentaries on Netflix. And they all hurt animals when they're younger. It's called like the McCarthy trifecta or something. It's three things. It's torturing animals, pissing the bed, and oh, playing with fire. Like that's the.

Those are the three things that a lot of serial killers have in common. It's weird. Yeah. It's weird. So. Like why are you hurting animals? Yeah. It's like, you know, whatever.

But they're just like, you know, they're completely wrapped up in their fake world. And that's another thing. They just like don't live in reality. Like if that camera's on, the camera's on. Yeah. It's just like, you're a different person. Yeah.

They that is like exactly how it was. They didn't seem like real people. You can't perform like all the time and just be like, you know what I mean? Because a lot of them, from my experience when I met them, I was like, all right. These are clearly kids that didn't have a lot of friends growing up. And then they got this thing.

So it's like, oh, I'm riding this shit into the grass. It's I'm the man in this world. Right. And then it's like, now you just completely stopped being a person. And yeah, being a performer 24 seven. I, it makes me feel weird. I don't like that. I don't like when people aren't real people.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that shit. I know. Another thing I wanted to talk about was, I mean, we talked about a little bit outside, but I wanted to get your opinion on like the Tom, the Tom Brady thing. And I just wanted to get it on record because listen,

Tom Brady is kissing his kids like, like good kisses, good ones. Yeah. I mean, he even says when the kid walks in for the first one, the quick peck, he even like says, that's not good enough. Basically. Right. Which is not something you say to a kid. No, you know what I think about all the time is like,

okay, I have two main thoughts on that. Like one, are we the gross ones for like sexualizing that kiss? Do you know what I mean? It's hard not to. It's hard not to. Cause like the kiss was, was, it was so, it was so long. It was so long. Yeah.

I was, I was like, oh God. Like I had to, I was like, I gotta swipe out of this. I can't. Yeah. It feels gross for sure. And then like the other thing is like, the other thing is like, okay, I always think about this, but like, you know how like these days, parents are like raising their kids to like understand

that like it's your body, your choice that you have agency over your body. So they say like a lot of people say that like, even if you're, you know, like when we were growing up, it's like, go, okay, go give your aunt a hug. And you're like, no, I don't want to. And they're like, go fucking do it. But like nowadays a lot of parents are like, no, like you should let the kid choose when they want to give a hug so that they can learn that saying no to like something about your own body is okay.

But like that very much violates that. Yeah. It's like way over the top. Like, yeah. It was, it's like, get back here and kiss me. It's like dad. And he's like, relax. And he's like, what do I get?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's like asking for. He was asking for like, he, so the kid walks into the room and he's like, hey, can I check my fantasy league? Something, something and Tom Brady's like, well, what do I get? That's like something. You know what that's like?

It's like something I would say in eighth grade to like when I was texting a girl. So I can I get the answer with homework? What do I get out of this? Give me a picture of you in a bra. Boom. You know what I mean? Or like something a sugar daddy would say when like the sugar baby's like, I want a Chanel purse. He's like, what do I get?

Be over in 10 minutes. Otherwise you're not getting that fucking purse. That's literally what it was like. And it was just weird because like, first of all, he kisses the, he kisses the dude. And then he leaves. By the way, the whole time he's getting massaged by a, by a masseuse, a stranger. And then he's like, get it. It's so weird.

It's like, get back here. Give me a real one. But it's worth noting that like, he kisses his dad on the lips like that too. Yeah. It's just a whole, it's generations of male, it's just like dudes kissing dudes, like parents kissing like kids. Do you think it would, do you think that we would feel different? So the kids 11, right?

Yeah. Do you think we would feel differently if, or maybe not differently at all? If like, if that were an 11 year old daughter and they kissed for four seconds or whatever it was. I feel like it would be way worse. Yeah. Way worse. Like the outrage would be way worse. Way worse.

Because like how people were like, okay, this is out of control. If it was the daughter, people would be like, okay. Like lock them up. Wow. Yeah. All right. What's going on? Yeah.

Because I mean, that's heavy. And I've seen like, I'm not a fan of that. I'm not even a fan of kissing a baby. Like on the lips. Like kiss its head, kiss its face, whatever. I'm not. Lip kissing a baby is like, I'm not against it. I'm not against it either.

I mean, I understand. I wouldn't do it. Right. I understand. Like I get it. But like, dude, 11. No. No.

No. That's out of control. No. Like my parents kissed me on the lips until I was like, maybe five. Maybe. I can remember when I was super young, like being like four or something like that, and my dad kissing me. And even then I was just like, dude, what are you doing?

Yeah. You know what I mean? I didn't like it, but like it was my dad. It's your dad. It's weird. But like if I was like 10 and my dad's like, where are you going? I'm going to the park. All right.

Come here. Yeah. I'd be like, listen, dad, this has got to end now. Okay. We need to have a talk. Yeah. And the police are on their way. So.

And Chris Hansen's on his way. Yeah, exactly. Chris Hansen, excuse me. Your son called me. What's going on here? Yeah, I don't like that shit at all. Because like I've seen it too. Like I forgot who it was, but this girl I know.

She's like, she was in her 20s. And I saw her kiss her dad. I was just kind of like. On the lips? Yeah. And I'm like, this is like. I feel like, I feel like Donald Trump kisses Ivanka on the lips. Yes.

And I don't mean that. I think he like, that's an argument against it. Yeah. Like I feel like he would do that. Wait, what's his wife's name? Oh, wait, wait. His wife is Ivana. The daughter is Ivanka.

The current wife is Melania. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Ivanka, he's, yeah. He said weird shit about her. Yeah. He's like, what did he say?

He's like, she's the prettiest girl in the world. They're like. Yeah. And she wasn't my daughter. And she was a daughter I dated her. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's weird.

Ivanka's not like, dad. Come on. That's bad. Yeah. I don't like that. It's definitely. And they're boys. I think Trump and Brady.

So like family parties is probably just a bunch of. Are we onto something here? Like little incest parties they got going on over there. Maybe we're like cracking down on. I don't know. But all I know is the FBI is going to kick down my door any second now. Yeah. Just take this fucking tape.

We're joking. We're joking. Yeah. No, but that's super weird. I feel like that's something that you have to like instill. And someone from like, when they're super young. Because it makes sense that he's kissing his dad. And I didn't believe that until I looked it up and saw Tom Brady.

Like when he won the Super Bowl, he's like leaning over. Yeah. And like. Yeah. What's that called when you. How many words that word? Puckering up. Puckering up.

And kissing his dad. And there's multiple pictures like that out there. Like out on the football field. Just. And you know, who else kisses is Lil Wayne and baby. That one's a little even weirder too. Yeah. Because they're not actually.

Related. Yeah. They're just like good friends, I guess. I think they're like. Oh, because. Who knows. Can you imagine I just like kiss one of my buddies. It's like, oh dude, thank you so much.

My friend, but I go, you ever do that again? I swear to God. They would think that you were coming out. Yeah, they bet. You know, my friends thought I was gay when I was younger. Really? I swear to God. Wait, why?

Because like when I was in. Like a seventh or eighth grade or like a freshman in high school, I was like an introvert. Like I was very quiet and like shy, I guess. But I was also still like a class clown in a way to make sense. But there were a lot of girls that wanted to like talk to me and like whatever. And I just like wouldn't. Okay. And my friends always like, all right.

So he's probably gay. He's probably gay. You know what I mean? And I remember specifically one of my friends came up to me, my friend and he's like, dude, I just want to know if you're gay, like I don't care. Like no one cares. That's so sweet. Yeah.

Like they were real cool. I have the greatest friends in the world. No lie. Like they're, they're all funnier than me. Like they're hilarious. Do you think that they like all got together behind your back? And they were like, no, they were like, we got to let Joe know if he is gay. We'll still be his friends.

I don't think it happened like that. But I, I do, and I still, I don't think all of them thought that, but I do think that like some of them are just kind of like iffy about it. And they're just like, my friend was like, dude, it's cool if you're gay. It's like, it's whatever. I'm like, dude, I'm not fucking gay. Like what are you talking about? That's so sweet.

I love that. That is, you do have really good friends. Yeah. But it wasn't even like, it wasn't as, what's the word? It's not, it wasn't even as like nice as it sounds. It was like, Hey man, just want to let you know. It's like, dude, if you're fucking gay, like just out already, like we just want it. We have to know.

You know what I mean? I was like, no, I'm not. Sorry. Start to let you down. But uh, not kidding. But yeah, that was, that was back in the day when I was in like eighth grade, someone taught that, which was weird because like back, it wasn't like I was not, I had like a girlfriend and shit, like an eighth grade and like, you know what I mean?

Like, I was like, where is this coming from? What are you guys talking about? I was just weird. Like, I don't know. Maybe they were fucking with you. Yeah. I guess they were like half like, I feel like they all, they knew for sure that I wasn't, but they were like, I'm just going to ask this to be like kind of funny and like,

just fuck with them. Did you guys end up having a gay guy in the group? Not like in our core group, there's no, we don't have any like gay friends, but we have like right outside, like I'm really good friends with one of my cousins who like lives in my neighborhood and one of his good friends from college is gay and we've hung out with him all the time and shit like that. Yeah. Okay.

And one of our, one of my childhood friends, his brother is like really gay. Yeah. And I say that because it's like, you know, he's very theatrical. Right, right, right. Like you're stereotypical. Yeah. And that's a kid that I like grew up with and I was super young. Right.

Like, and we all knew back then too, like, oh, this kid's gay. Yeah, some kids you just know. Yeah. Like you, apparently. Yeah. We knew like, and there was a kid that me and my friend Frankie, I've known him since pre-k in like fourth grade. There was a kid in our class that were like, all right, it's kids.

Me, no, it's just gay. And he's like, no, I'm not gay. Because we were never like, oh, dude, you're fucking gay. Just say it. Like we're just like, we don't care. I think you're 26. Yeah. I feel like, so I'm 33.

Like when I was growing up, there was still definitely very much like, like it must have been hard for kids to come out of the closet in my generation, I think. Yeah. But at the same time, like I never experienced that because this is going to sound like I'm talking myself up for a second. But me and my friend Frankie, we were always like the popular kids in school because we played sports and we're all funny. And we also got along with everyone and we would never like,

you know, like try to hurt someone's feelings or something like that. You know what I mean? So I don't think anyone around us was because especially at that age, everyone's kind of like a follower for like those people. Like you'll just go with what the kids are. And we were never like, oh, let's go beat up the gay kid or anything like that. You know what I mean? So I never really experienced that like ever in my generation.

It kind of still not necessarily like, let's go beat up the gay kid. But it's like, let's make fun of them. Yeah. And I'm so like, that makes me really sad. But like, I look at kids now in high school and they're so cool. They're, I feel like the like, I'm like, oh, do you have any gay friends? And they look at me like I'm like from like Nazi Germany. Just like, you can't say gay anymore.

But like it's, I think that's cool. You know? Yeah. I mean, they're also the downside with those kids. Those kids, like the kids now are like kind of been insane. Like when I was younger, you go to the park, everyone's playing basketball and like do whatever you go to the park. Nowadays, first of all, there's no one there.

But when there was, when there is people there, they're like in the handball court, smoking cigarettes and shit. Right. I was like, dude, I never did this. Wait, I did. But I think, I think kids are better now. No, I don't think so. Really?

They're just exposed to too much information. I mean, that I agree with. Like I, I can only imagine there must be like 12 year olds having anal. Like there has to be. Not, I agree. Like there has to be. Yeah. Like it's like the norm for them to see that.

They're just like, can look up like anything. Yeah. And it's just like, it's too much. Like when I was younger, I wasn't even allowed to watch the nude scene in Titanic. My dad would be like, leave the room. Or like he'd be like, turn around. I would turn around and face a fish tank and be like, I should want to see Kate Winslet's tit one fucking time.

And I never saw that tit until I was like 20. And I was like, oh, Titanic's on. The scene's coming up. I'm staying. Like I'm seeing this fucking tit. I earned it. All right. I've been waiting a long time.

I've been waiting too long for these fucking tits. But it's true. Yeah. Like in that sense, you're right. Like they get exposed to and you can look up anything. And it's like you're not, you don't even know who the hell you are yet. And you're not fully developed like mentally or like. And I don't think you are even aware of how much of an impact you can make on somebody.

Yeah. So it's like when you have all the information, you could just like use it at your disposal. Like you don't give a shit. Like you could really fucking throw some people off. Well, even like I even think about like I'm so glad like I didn't have like Twitter or Instagram. Me too. In school. Because it's a cyber bullying thing too.

Cyber bullying must be crazy in schools. Like I can't even imagine like. I can't even imagine that. Someone called you a slut in fifth grade. If you had Twitter, it'd be over. Oh my God. Are you kidding? And I probably would have been doing like a bunch of scandalous shit myself.

Like I'd probably be posting like pictures of my tits or something. Like my 12 year old dad. Oh my God. I mean, I could see myself being that kid, you know, and that's God that's scary. And you don't even like realize it's like what you're doing. No. And that's another thing too. Like my neighbor who lives next door to my mom, he has the greatest kids ever.

And he doesn't let them have like social media and shit. He gives them like Instagram. Okay. But even then he's like, I don't want them to have Twitter or like Snapchat or anything. Because like he hears stories about the kids in school. And it's like they just there's too many opportunities to either. But also. Yeah, I get you.

But like also, are you then the weirdo that like doesn't isn't allowed on social media? Yeah. But like, are you a weirdo? Because like, I mean, the kid plays sports. He's a smart kid and like he's actually a really good athlete. And he knows like a lot about that shit. So I guess like that. But do you remember like, okay, like when we were growing up?

Yeah. Like, do you remember like the kids that weren't allowed to have AIM accounts? No. Well, I feel like everyone had AIM. No, like I remember when I was growing up, there were kids that weren't allowed to have AIM because like there were pedophiles in chat rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, well, if you don't have AIM, like how are you going to have a social life after school?

Right. It's impossible. So you're now that loser. I don't know. Oh my God. I feel like I was like different too, because even in high school, I didn't really hang out with the kids in my high school. I always hung out with my neighborhood friends.

Right. Because there was like 15 of us. Right. And I would get home. You're so Queens. I am. I'm so Queens. It's so crazy.

And people don't even understand what I'm like. I am so New York. People don't even like understand what that means. But all my friends lived within 10 blocks of me. And we all met literally at the park that we all grew up in. And like that's all we did. Right. For the longest time.

I didn't even start drinking until like 16, which is another thing that people are like, all right, but 16 is pretty young. I'm like, it's not around here. Around New York, 16 is old. Yeah. Whereas I was like, yeah, I was like. A lot of kids are sober by 16. Like an AA at 16.

It's like, I need to fucking slow it the fuck down. Okay. But yeah, I never really hung out with them. So I never really felt like I had to fit in with these people. It's like, I had my friends. You know what I mean? I had my friends in high school too. Like I played football.

I was on sports teams and stuff. But I never like was like, yeah, let's go hit crazy like house pouries and shit. Because it's like, I don't know. Right. These are like my basically my brothers. I've known themselves like a fourth grade. Yeah. You know, like by the time I was in high school, I think I was like that too.

Like we all went to different schools. And then every day after school, we would meet up. Yeah. Like we hung around style town a lot. Like that was where like me and my friends hung out. We would hang out and like do absolutely nothing. Do you remember the days are just like, you just go sit on a bench somewhere. And or like you go like look around the benches and see like who's sitting where.

Yeah. I just sit there and do absolutely nothing. Just nothing. Just hang out and just waste time. Yeah. And thinking about it, bringing back on it. I'm like, what is that? Like, what do we do?

I have no idea. But like, I don't think kids now even get that experience because they have smartphones. Yeah. They're always connected. YouTube and they're always connected. They're doing something. Yeah. Like they don't understand what it's like.

Doorbells. Doorbells have been retired. Yeah. No, if you ring a doorbell in this day and age, you're a fucking creep. Yeah. Someone rings like a doorbell. I'm like, unless you live in an apartment building, it makes sense. But like a house doorbell.

It's like, what the fuck is ringing a doorbell right now? Yeah. It's like, call me, dude. Now even the delivery guys don't ring doorbells. They call you like, yeah, I'm outside because no one was ringing the fucking doorbell. I'm like, yeah. Or like just going up to someone's house and showing up. That's not a thing anymore.

No. That would be so inappropriate. That's crazy. The pop in. That would be so inappropriate. I was in the neighborhood. I figured I'd pop in. Uh, dude, pop the fuck out.

Call me, email me or something. Okay. Like don't just show up here. No, that would be terrible. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that. The craziest thing to me is that like, the craziest thing to me is that we used to like call someone from our house phone and be like, hey, let's meet at two o'clock at Union Square.

And then you would just have to go to Union Square and trust that your friend was going to be there. Yeah. Cause anything could happen on along the way. Yeah. Or like someone could flake or like now, like even today, right? Like we were talking yesterday. We talked last week and like even up until this morning, you're like, hey, are we on for today? I'm confirming.

Yeah. Like even though we confirmed yesterday. But like I agree with that. Like I'm not going to leave my house until I know that the person I'm meeting up with is still on the same page as me. Right. Even though. Cause it's like, who knows?

And we're like grown adults. You know what I mean? We were like 13. Like he said two days ago he's going to be at the park. So I'm just going to go there. Hope he's there. You know? Fuck it.

Figure it out. That's crazy. Yeah. I know. When I look back on it, I'm like, my parents are kind of irresponsible. Like just, just let my parents who like ever since fourth grade, I was walking to school and they were like, yeah, I didn't have a phone. Nothing.

Nothing. And they were just like be home by six 30 for dinner. They don't even know that you made it to school. They have no idea. The school would have to be like, Hey, your son's. And they would never call and be like, your son's absent. No. You would get like a postcard in the mail a week later.

If my school called my dad and was like, just for any reason other than the fact that I'm dead, he'd be like, well, please don't call me. Yeah. Like that is, that is enough. It's actually a funny story. My dad, when I was in middle school, I was like getting into a lot of fights in middle school and they were going to kick me out and send me to my zone school, which I like didn't want because I loved my middle school.

It was like so much fun. And my dad shows up and he was double parked and he walks in. He's like, yeah, I'm here to see the principal of my son, Joe Sanagon or whatever. And like, yeah, it's going to be like 10 minutes. He got in his car and left. And that was the only reason why I was able to stay in the school. But that just goes to show like how little my dad cared. Like, I remember I got into a fight once and I came home because like I hit some kid and

then a teacher grabbed me and it was a woman. I like just didn't even look and I like pushed her hand off me and then I hit the kid again. And then my dad was like, did you punch the kid in the face? And I was like, yeah, he's like, all right, good. And he just like rolled over my bag to sleep. I was like, all right, very cool. Like my dad was cool in that way. You know what I mean?

And my parents were just kind of like, you know, whatever, like. I feel like, but aren't boys like, I feel like boys kind of have to be raised that way. Like you guys have to kind of defend yourselves. Yeah, especially, I mean, for me, my middle school was kind of like, there was a lot of fighting going on, like a lot. And there was like, I always tell people like in short, it's like you had to fight or either be good at basketball, otherwise people would just pick on you. Oh my God.

Yeah, literally, like I swear to God, it was like that. Like a lot of people got into fights and like beat up and stuff. But like it wasn't as, I make it sound like prison. It wasn't, I was thinking prison. It wasn't, it wasn't like to that extent, but it really was like, you have to defend yourself. It was, it was like prison in the sense of like, if someone checks you and you just kind of fold, then everyone knows like, yo. Okay, like that's exactly what people say about prison.

I know, but it's not like people are shanking people or whatever, like, like made out of toothbrushes. Yeah, like it wasn't like that, but it was like that. But it was a Catholic school, right? No, my middle school wasn't. I was in public school all through my life until high school. Oh, okay. Yeah, I went there to play sports and shit.

But you know what's crazy? Like nowadays in schools, they call the parents for like everything. And I found this out not too long ago. Yeah, they call for like, if your kid falls down anywhere, even if they're fine, you have to call the parents. Really? Yeah, anything. Because if they fall and they go home and they're dizzy and like God forbid,

they have like a concussion and they get into a, they step into a cult. It's like, now it's the school's fault. The world is so weird right now. It's a lot of, literally, because my, my mom works in a school. She told me that a daughter got a paper cut once. Okay. And they had to call. Stop.

I was like, a paper cut? What's going to happen? A paper cut? A paper cut. Oh my God. This is going to raise such a strange generation of people. It's just, it's not good. Everything's like handed to them, you know what I mean?

And it's just like, then you're just like a shitty person. Yeah. It's like, you're so protected. Yeah. At all. Yeah. It's bad. No, I remember, yeah.

Like, no, like I remember getting hurt at school and like parents were not even called. Like they would just find out at the end of the day that I've literally got punched in the face. And like, no one was called. And I have like a black eye in sitting in class. It's like, what happened to you? So I got into a fight. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Go get some ice. That would be it. It wouldn't be like, we got to call your parents, got to do this, got to do that. Just like, it's just why they're always there. I also heard like, I think I heard it on a podcast or something, but they were saying like parents are so cautious now and they call them like helicopter parents or whatever.

And or like, but they're saying like parents are so cautious now against like rapists and pedophiles and murders and kidnappers. And like, it's this weird thing because there's actually not more of them now. Like it's not like there have been more reported cases of kidnapping. I don't know anyone who has been kidnapped. No me either. I mean, knock on wood. Why are you knocking on your head?

Is that what you're supposed to do when there's no wood? There's wood right here. But you never know what's real wood. I mean, that's gonna be from Ikea or who knows. That shit is definitely from Ikea. So that is probably not real wood. Does Ikea not make real wood? Ikea makes like a fake wood.

This is news to me. Yeah, you better knock on your head. Yeah, I'll take that. I know that was an alternative. Yeah, it's true. I don't know anyone who's been kidnapped either. Yeah. Or like, you know, like I think kidnappers kind of retard.

I think it's all about like, I get like ransom and stuff. I get that. But like, why else would you kidnap somebody? You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess. Like the last kidnapping I can ever even remember was, you remember that girl Elizabeth Smart? Yeah.

Was she the one who was found like a mile away from her house? Yeah. That is just a whole other thing. Yeah. I mean, Dave Chappelle is a funny skit about that. We were just like, yo, if you're gonna kidnap me, like you're gonna have to take me more than a mile away. Like I know where I am.

You know what I mean? But it just, I don't know any kidnappings. No, me neither actually. Weird. It's all sexual offenders now. I don't think I know any murders either. I mean, I don't either. We're gonna start knocking everywhere.

But I think it's all just like sexual offenders and stuff now. Oh, kidnappers? No. And I'm just like, yeah, I think they like switched over. Like, all right, we're done kidnapping. Let's just start just like showing people our distance. Like no longer trending. Kidnapping.

Yeah. Because I mean, and that stuff happens all the time. I mean, living in New York City, I'm sure it's happened to you where you're sitting on the train, and this dude just pulls out his dick. Oh my God. The first pair of balls I ever saw was on the subway. I mean, but that's, I would say that's probably true

for anyone growing up in New York City. The first pair of balls I saw. Wait, the guy just pulled out his balls. That's it? It was like, it was just this guy. I think he was, I think he was like the kind of guy that got off on it, but he was sitting across from me and he was sitting with like his legs wide open

and he had a huge hole in his pants that was obviously deliberate. To show his balls. And his balls were like hanging out. Yeah. Were they like out touching the seat? No, no, no, no. They were like in the, contained in the pants,

but like they were like on full display. He was like, he was doing it on purpose. I think so. I think, I don't know. I think so. I'm just assuming. I mean, do you have to wear a school uniform? No, I didn't.

Oh, okay. No. At our school, we didn't wear a uniform, but yeah, like I. That's how I know so many girls that are like, yeah, I was on the train and this dude just started sat across me and started jerking on the steering wheel. Of course. Yeah.

Ever. No, I mean. I love it. You're like, of course. No, like if. It dicks out. If you grew up in New York City and you're a girl, you have absolutely seen that.

Whether it's on the street or on the subway. A lot of shit happens on the subway. People didn't even realize that. And that's where these, like if you lived in Manhattan when you were young and you had to go to school, like your parents are like, all right, see you take the seven train. For real? Yeah.

Or like the one. Or you were probably even like taking the train to a bus and then transferring to another bus and like it's crazy. I'm like, it's insane the amount of men that hit on like obviously. Young girls. Young girls. Like when I was like 13. I'm sure I didn't look any older than 13.

Like you definitely looked super young. Yeah. Like probably younger. And I remember like dudes hitting on me all the time. And it wasn't just because like I'm, it's not like, oh, I'm so pretty or anything like every girl is like that. Yeah, I know. And you know what's funny too?

Even like, I don't know why, but even when I walk through like construction sites, you can just feel everyone looking at you and you're like, what the fuck dude? They're looking at your feet. I was just like, I know, I know they're not like looking at me, but I was just like, there's a lot of guys around. Uh, fuck.

You know what I mean? I can't imagine a girl like having to walk to work and just, I'm just like, oh. But it's weird because like, you know how like hat calling is like a thing now. And like, you know, we were supposed to like speak out against it and stuff. But like it's weird to me because like growing up in New York,

that's so normal. Yeah. Like I, it never even registered in my mind as like a thing. And I, there's still a problem. Yeah. There's still a part of me that's like, is it really a problem though? You know what I mean?

Like, I mean, yeah, it's annoying. It's just like, I'm so used to it. It's so weird. Cause like I, I can't, I don't know. I would never dream of doing that. I'm like, oh yeah. Like it's weird because like, well, not just the cat calling, but the thing that's weird to me is like the guys that actually

hit on girls walking down the street because the fact that they do it means sometimes it works, right? Or they're just persistent and just like. But for, come on. It must work like once in a thousand times at least. I don't know. I, I maybe, I mean, I've seen some dudes say some stuff in bars, but I'm just, I'm like standing here and they're hitting on

the girl next to me. I'm just like, God, like I feel bad for the girl. You know what I mean? Like I feel weird for you, dude. Like, why would you say that? Yeah. It's just like, it's weird. Oh, I don't even get the cat calling thing.

Cause to me, you know, that's something people do. And that never works. No. When has it ever been like, you talk about these tits? Oh, what's up? So like, why are they still doing it? Or like, how did you guys meet? Well, I was walking through a construction site once.

Yeah. You tell me my tits looked nice and then I was just like, you know, and that was it. That was it. Head over heels. That was it, you know. It's just wow. Yeah.

I don't, I don't know. I guess we're just like numb to this stuff because we're from the city. Yeah. I think so. Like balls out on the subway and crackles. It's disgusting. But if it happens in like, you know, a different state,

I guess it's a huge deal. Well, even like, like, so I lived in LA for the last 10 years and like, even in LA, like if I go, if I'll, I'll go to like downtown LA or something. And there's, there'll be one block that smells like urine. And I'm like, oh, that's so gross. Like how can someone like walk down the street? Like and like endure this.

But then it's like, oh, like all of New York City smells like this. Yeah. Every bus in this town has been peed on excessively. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of piss. A lot. Like the whole place.

Yeah. Smells like pee. Okay. On top of the dudes with their balls and dicks out. Right. And that's just life. And that's just life in the big city. Yeah.

You know, that's just how it is. But yeah, I guess you just like get, New York has held to like different standards, I guess. I guess that's why I like it so much because everyone's just kind of like, no one gives a shit about anything and they're just kind of like real tough people. Yeah. Yeah. And also I think there's something really cool in New York about like,

it doesn't matter how well you're doing or how successful you are in business or like whatever. Like one, no matter what, you're graded on like you're the person you are. Whereas like LA, it's just a lot more superficial. And also like, no matter how well you're killing it at life, like life is still shit in New York. Everyone's got an apartment they're paying too much for. Too much for. Yeah.

And it's like, it's still cold as hell. Like nine months out of the year. Everyone's also, you're like on the subway. It's like, all right, this guy makes $300,000. This person makes 27. It's like, everyone's just there. And the fastest way to get anywhere is still going to be the subway. Like no matter what.

Exactly. That's why I like it. It's, yeah, like there's something humbling about that, I think. I like it. Yeah. That's why, that's why, like, people are always like, do you think you can move out of New York? I was like, I don't know.

Like I wouldn't want to live anywhere like super, like, I mean, like, don't you live like 10 minutes away from your parents? I live like, yeah, that was like 20 minutes. And all your best friends are still your best friends. Oh, you said you live fucking two blocks from your parents. Like you're trying to paint a picture about me. You live closer to your parents than I do. Yeah.

No, that's true. But like, yeah, I guess you're right. Like I get picture like, I honestly don't know how people just pick up all their shit and move across the country. Well, I did that when I was, when I got into porn, but like it happened in a way that was like, I didn't pick up all my shit and move. I was like, I'm going to go to LA for two weeks and try out this porn thing. And then I just didn't come back for 10 years.

I mean, like I would, you know, like to visit, but not move back. So like, but yeah, like I don't, I can't imagine just like being like, let's move our entire life to Idaho now. Yeah. I don't know how people do that. Like I get like moving from New York to Jersey, like that. Picking up and like, like moving to LA. It's like, this is a different time zone and shit.

Like, you know what I mean? You're going to, it's just like difference. I don't know. Yeah, there's, yeah. Also, I think it, I did that back when I was like really brave. I'm not brave anymore. Like now I overthink everything. I'm like, I'm not brave.

You know, God damn coward. Yeah, I am. I am like, I, I don't know. Like it's weird how like with age, I think we've become less like brave to do anything. Do you think you're going to move back to LA? You're going to stay in New York. You know, I still, so I still have my house there and like,

like legally my ex has to be out by June. I think. So I still have my house out there, but like, I don't know. Like I don't really like LA. And I'm not crazy about it either. It's a cool place to go like for two weeks at a time, but I wouldn't want to like, if I lived there full time, I would lose my mind.

And it's so like, all the things I grew up hearing about LA are true. Like the people are so fake. It's so superficial. Like it's, it really is true. Like it's really, really true. The quality of people out there kind of is. And if you do come across someone, it's like, oh my God,

thank you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because obviously there are the people there that are good people, but it's like for the most part of this town is just like. And even then, like everything's really spread out. LA is so lonely, like because the traffic is real and everything. Like if you are going to see a person,

like that's what you're doing for the day. Yeah. It's not like New York where you can like meet up with all these different friends throughout the day. Yeah, I got like 10 different things on my schedule. Yeah, I'm like, you can like, you could just go have coffee with someone even if you wanted to. Like that's not a thing in LA.

Yeah. It's very lonely. And all the meetings are like, let's go. We're going to have a meeting there. You're going for a hike, dude. You're not having a meeting. What is that? Networking.

Networking. Yeah, I'm networking. So that's another thing people tell me because like, I mean, I've only been out there a handful of times. Like I've been there like four or five times and it was for like three or four days. Nothing crazy. And people always tell me it's like, it's weird

because when I'm in New York, everyone seems to be busy doing stuff. He's like, when I'm in LA, it feels like no one's doing shit. Yeah, no one is. Everyone's just kind of hanging out. It's like, yeah, I'm just, you know, chilling. I think that's why the traffic's so bad. Also, no one has a real job in LA. I mean, the thing that drives me crazy is when people,

I ask them, like, what are you doing there? Like, I'm an actor. I'm like, oh, you went, I do like, you know, I did this commercial. I was like, when was the last time you were there? I was like a couple of years ago. I'm like, so like you're not an actor is what you're saying. These are real conversations I've had with people. No, I believe you.

I know what you're saying. Like, I have a few friends who are actors. And so like, I always have to like watch what I say about actors. But like, on some level, they have to be the biggest narcissists. Because I get that. Getting rejected over and over and over and thinking. And like, maybe you go three years that it's nothing but rejections on all these auditions and you still think, I'm gonna, I'm good enough.

Yeah, there has to be some sort of, I'm gonna make it. Like, I would be like, after two rejections, I'd be like, that's it. I'm done here. Like, I'm just gonna go get a normal job. Yeah. I mean, there's something to be said for that. There are good qualities in that, but also it's just kind of like. Oh, I didn't mean it as a good thing.

No, but I mean, like, there's a good quality and like, persistence and like, whatever. And obviously it pays off sometimes. But like, also when you apply that to different parts of your life, we're just kind of like, all right, maybe you should just chill the fuck out here. Yeah. And just kind of not do that. I mean, it's only like, it's only a good thing if you're successful in the end.

And other than that, it's like, well, you, that was just like a long series of very bad decisions. Yeah. I don't know. So I could never be an actor. It's tough. I feel like auditions are weird. I went on an audition once and it was weird.

I didn't think, I wasn't, I wasn't nervous. I go into literally everything thinking like, I don't fucking care if this works or not. You know what I mean? Even like, not today. I mean, we've met before. So like, whatever. But if I had never met you before, then a part of me would be like, a little nervous, like, oh God, I have to, you know, whatever.

But another majority of me would be like, fuck, cares. Fuck it. Like, let's just like, let's just go crazy. You know what I mean? Whatever happens to happen. Yeah. Fuck it. You know what I mean?

That's how I go into everything. So I went to that audition and like, everyone there who's like an actor and like, this is what they do. And I'm just kind of like, just trying the shit out. And I'm trying to make conversations with people. And they're just like, yeah, I'm like talking to themselves and like going on the line. I'm like, dude, it's two pages worth. We got it.

You know what I mean? Like, relax. Oh my God. They must be so annoyed by your attitude. I was, I was just kind of in there like making jokes and stuff and saying like, oh God, like, you know, whatever. They're like, this is my life. Yeah.

But I wasn't like trying to be, I was just trying to be friendly because no one was talking to anyone. And I just felt weird that I was in a silent room. So I was just kind of like trying to make jokes and like be that guy. It's like trying to loosen everyone up and just kind of like whatever. Yeah. I don't think that guy's. None of those guys, none of those people fucked me at all.

Like I was just trying to make it so like, because I feel better in situations when everyone's just kind of like happy and like, whatever. What were you auditioning for? It was like this small, tiny, cameo role and some whatever. My agent was like, Hey, is this a good idea? Like, yeah, but you say that because like, like it's easier for you, it's easier for you to say that because like you have other shit going on.

No, I know. And that's so secondary. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And like you're like, you're like feeding your family doesn't depend on like getting this role or like, yeah, you know, like you've already found success. But at the same time, it wasn't like a main, it wasn't a lead role.

It was nothing. Cause even if you get that to them, it's everything, but it's not even rent. Like it's I'm serious. Like it was like a tiny role. It was just literally like popping out stepping stone. I guess. Yeah. I understand.

I understand how it's important to them, but also I just was like, I just felt like, is no one going to even talk to anybody here? Like I feel like that's like, I don't know, it was just weird. So like, I guess that for that, I couldn't really do it. You know what's weird too? I am, I'm writing a while I wrote a pilot for a show and I'm trying to sell it. And well, we're still like working. Is it like a comedy?

Yeah. That's awesome. And it's a scripted show. Yeah. Me and me and my buddy wrote a pilot episode and then we have like plans for the rest of the episodes for the season. Yeah. And we're just like polishing it at the moment.

But in that, I'm going to be like the lead in it. Right. So like, but like that, I feel like I could do because like it's like, I'm writing it. I know how it's going to look in my head. Right. So it's like easy for me to do that. Right.

But it's really hard for me. And that was the thing too. And that thing, it was really hard for me to read other people's lines that someone else wrote because I don't think it was, I didn't think it was funny. And it was supposed to be funny. Right. But I didn't think it was. So I have to deliver a line that's not funny.

And it's like, because I'm like, I would never say this. You know what I mean? It's like it's tough. I mean, I've been born. So you've said some stuff. I've said some stuff. And like, I mean, I've definitely seen a lot of very bad script. Why?

I feel like it's on purpose now. Someone has bad, bad, bad scripts on purpose. Some of it's on purpose. Some of it is like almost just the parody of itself. Yeah. But some of it's very serious and bad, you know? And some of it's very serious and good, honestly. Most of it's not, you know?

But, but yeah. What was the weirdest thing you had to act as? A clown. You were like face paint? I had to be a clown once. You were face paint? Yeah. I mean, I've turned down a lot.

Because for the most part, well, actually in that one, I was playing a detective who went undercover as a clown. And my sex scene was as a clown. Do you know what I mean? So it wasn't like, like the core of me was not a clown. Wait. So you were a detective. Yeah.

And I went undercover as a clown. To catch another clown. So how did you end up fucking the guy? He was just a nice guy. I mean, well, it's a porno. Right, right. You know, like. Well, I was trying to get the context here.

I think, I think we had to, it was a three way. And we had to fuck him. Maybe I was fucking him while like the other detective like. Was too stealing his stuff. Yeah. Or something like that. It was something, it was something sneaky like that. But like my role in porn has been like,

if I don't feel sexy doing it, I don't want to do it. Right. Because like that's the point to me. You know, like I want to feel sexy doing it. So like I've been asked to do a lot of things that I'm like, no, I would never do that. Like they were doing a hangover parody and they asked me to be the Asian guy in it.

And I was like, no, like I don't want to do that. Like I'm sure that could be hilarious, but not me. That's so strange. Yeah. That's great. Is there like, so the clown was the weirdest one? I mean, yeah, probably the clown. But like, I think the weirdest things I've done

have been not in like non scripted type things. So in porn, we have features, which has a plot and a script. And then we have gonzo, which is just straight to sex. And I've done a lot weirder things in gonzo. Like I've had Skittles in my asshole. Skittles. Yeah. Like this guy ate Skittles out of my asshole.

Skittles are great though. Yeah. They are. They really are. Love Skittles. But yeah. So stuff like that. And then, you know, there's like Chinese harmony balls.

Chinese harmony balls. They're like these balls with bells inside of them. Yes. You roll around in your hands and like, isn't that like for cats or something? I think it's for like stress or something. Okay. Well, anyway, I put whatever they are.

They were in my asshole. Nice. And one got stuck up there once. How the fuck did you get that out? I had to like calm down and just like relax for a second. Yeah. Because that's one of those things where whenever for any of you out there, like if you ever get anything stuck inside of

your asshole, like the more you freak out the worse it gets because then your body tenses up and like it's never going to come out. No. Sound advice. Yeah. Shout out to Richard Deere. Oh my god.

Yeah. You just have to relax and then it'll eventually, gravity will take care of it. So I mean, we got two different objects now that have been in your asshole. Yeah. I mean, I've had a lot of things in my asshole. I've had a speculum in my asshole.

What the fuck is that? It's like the, it's like, yeah, I guess you wouldn't know this. Speculum? Yeah. So it's this, I don't, you must not, I just realized guys probably don't even know what the fuck this thing is. When you go to the guy in a college as a woman. Yeah.

They take this huge plastic thing and it's almost like, imagine like an alligator's mouth. So like when it's closed, it goes into your vagina and then they open it up in your vagina. Oh yeah, it's like a car jack. Yeah. It's like a car jack. Yeah.

But for women. Yeah. Yeah. And then put that in your ass. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. And then that's gotta hurt.

I don't remember it hurting that much to be honest. I think I was already gaping at that point, but I don't know. I haven't, I don't remember like, what else have I had in my asshole? But yeah, like definitely the weirdest things come from gonzocenes, but like right before I was in porn, there was an era like where really hardcore things were trending, like maybe up to five years before I got in, where girls were like drinking goldfish and throwing them back up and then putting them in their gaping asshole and then like shitting them out

and like just doing crazy things like that. What the fuck? That was like the trend. That was a trend. Yeah. Just like really gross stuff, like extreme stuff. Goldfish? Yeah.

That's out of control. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But I'm glad I missed that era. I was gonna say, is there been like any live animals? No, but like, yeah, that sounds super illegal, right? That sounds like that's not gonna fly nowadays. No.

Pete is all over that. Yeah. You're, I think you're right. Yeah. But I'm glad that I missed that whole era because I think like, I probably, if everyone were doing it, I probably would have been like, well, I want to like explore that side of myself. I feel like in Japan too, like they're more like weird shit.

Like they're like, all right, let's get a, let's get an octopus in here. Yeah. I mean, that's normal. Yeah, that's what. Tentacle porn. Yeah. What the fuck is that? So like, I just found out that like the porn isn't like the, I guess to people who like tentacle

porn, which I don't necessarily like find it that erotic, but like, I guess I always thought that the part that they like is like the tentacles, like the octopus or whatever going inside. Right. But it's not. It's just like hanging out. The part they like is that you put the whole thing in and then slowly watching it crawl out. That's the fetish. That's even worse.

That's even worse. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. I'm not in, yeah, I'm not. Like a throw up right now thing. I don't like like tentacles, like by themselves. Like they're just like, they just, you know what I mean? Like I just don't.

Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah. I don't like that shit. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I, yeah, I don't know that. I'll never say never, but like, I'm not like, I don't know. Like I could see myself not doing that ever as well.

So that's good. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think we can wrap up. We, we kind of covered a lot of bases here. Thanks so much for having me. No, it was, it was a lot of fun. I think this is like the one of the longest podcast. How long was it?

120. Oh, wow. An hour or 20. Yeah. What do you usually do like an hour? Yeah, an hour or maybe a little underneath. Yeah. That's what I love about podcasts.

You have no idea. Time just goes. You're like, Time just goes and also like, you don't have to like commit to anything. Yeah. You're like, I don't give a shit how long this is. You know, you're like, oh, today's 45 minutes. Whatever.

Yeah. Oh, today's two hours. Yeah. Whatever. But people are like, what the fuck? This is all over the place. Also like, oh, I didn't put it one up today. I'll just put it up tomorrow.

Yeah. You know, that's fine. It's so loose. I like it. So where can people follow you on social media? My Twitter is at Asa Akira. My Instagram is at Asa Hull, at Asa Hull 3, and at Asa Hull 5. And my Snapchat is Asa Hull Akira.

And then, oh, and then I have a website. Things I wish I could Instagram.com. That's just like my only fan site. Things I wish I could Instagram.com? Yeah. Dope. Yeah, I like that domain a lot. I'm addicted to buying domains.

Are you? Yeah. How many domains you got? A lot. I have like four, I think. Do you? Yeah. But there's like a serious business in buying domains, by the way.

Yeah. You know what I saw available the other day? Celebrityfeet.com. Did you buy it? No, it was like $50,000. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of them are like that. I tried to buy a fucking four-letter domain one.

Oh, forget it. I was like, what the fuck am I paying $25,000 for this? Did you like literally sit there and type in every four-letter combination? Yeah. That's what I did too. There's a few. There's actually, I think like my name. There's like one with my name in it that's available.

But it was, yeah, it was like crazy expensive. That's insane. No. It's a big market. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you for coming on. It was been a lot of fun.

Thank you for having me. No problem. Bye.