The Bechdel Cast - A Goofy Movie with Dani Fernandez and La'Ron Readus

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Caitlin, Jamie, and special guests Dani Fernandez and La'Ron Readus stand out above the crowd on this episode on A Goofy Movie. Ah-hyuck! (This episode contains spoilers) For Bechdel bonuses, sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com/bechdelcast Follow @msdanifernandez and @Readus_101 on Twitter. While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante, and @jamieloftusHELPSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes, I'm Caitlin Durante. I'm Jamie Loftus. And this is our podcast about your favorite movies. Yeah, we just were on a road trip for like two weeks to get to LA, and now we're here. Yeah, I was driving. I kind of actually, you were bothered by how goofy drives and I don't have a driver's license

and I'm like, what's the problem? Seems like he gets to where he's going. Doesn't seem to be an issue. I've failed the driver's test three times. Thank you. Thank you for your support. I'll never learn. I think he killed at least two construction workers.

He drove into an active construction site. And the opportunity was there for him to kill a cop. And he didn't. And that's a Disney issue. Yeah. They're obsessed with, it's just, there are so many opportunities

to kill a cop, but instead they killed a mime. Yeah. The purest art form. Well, this is the Bechtelcast. Thank you for being here. Give it up if you've been to one of our live shows before.

Oh, wow, give it up if this've been to one of our live shows before oh wow give it up this is your first live show wow wow pretty exciting this is so exciting um yeah so i guess you probably don't know that we either do weird cosplay or that for example i gave jamie a lap dance on this very stage for the magic Mike live show we did. I was hoping you wouldn't say the movie, and then I would get to be like, and it's weird because we were covering Cinderella. They just kind of started doing it, and we rolled with it.

No, so anyway, I do feel the need to call attention to the fact that I am cosplaying as Max Goof at this time. Yes. Yes. And, Jamie, what did you do? I'm wearing a t-shirt with the movie poster, which is not no effort, thank you very much. I went out of my way to order this one day ago. So.

No, we're doing great. Oh, my God. Okay. Look, we're doing great oh my god okay look we're fighting um no it seems like you wanted me to compliment your outfit so i was going to it looks really good and also you pointed this out before we drove here before you i don't have a driver's license caitlin drove here and uh that you bought a sweatshirt and defaced it so that you could be Max Goop I think you should

keep wearing it like that it worked for him that's true he got the girl of his dreams you know the girl with no personality

we'll get there we'll get there we'll get there poor Roxanne I know that that's I know Sean's fired already and people are upset

with me and they're right to be real quick who has seen a goofy movie Roxanne. And I know that that's, I know, shots fired already and people are upset with me and they're right to be. Real quick, who has seen A Goofy Movie? Is there anyone who hasn't seen it? One person.

That was great. The few, the proud. Me too. It's like 70 minutes long. It's on Disney Plus. What are you talking about? Look, it's, it's fine.

We, it's, it's a beautiful and uncomplicated text. My recap. Oh, yes. The famous recap. Yes. Which we're about to do, but first we have to bring out our guest. Yes.

Oh, we're so excited to bring this guest back. We have had her on many times. And I believe this is like the fourth time. This is the fourth time. Approaching the five appearance Letterman jacket. Yes, exactly. She's a writer and actress. She was a writer for Girls on the Bus

for HBO Max and Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy for DC Comics. It's Dani Fernandez! Yes! Hello! Hi! Hi, friends. Oh my my god this is awkward i'm way too short holy shit i do not touch the ground wow must be this tall to ride okay okay so for the one person in the audience who has not seen a goofy movie. Could you take us through your outfit? Oh, no, this is just 90s. This is literally not in the film.

It feels Powerline adjacent. It feels like Powerline could have worn it. Yes, and I have my dare for all us millennials. Don't do drugs, kids. It worked out. Welcome back. Thank you. Yeah, number four? it's number four okay damn I'm so connected to this movie it like really brings a tear to my eye that y'all thought of me oh my gosh we're so happy to

have you yeah tell us your history your relationship with it I watched it like every single day, the VHS, when I was little. Someone said aww. Watched it like every single day. I dressed up as Roxanne like twice. And then for a goofy movie, the 25th anniversary, which was on El Capitan. Did anyone go to that, by the way? Okay, never mind. No one. Wow.

Our audience just told on themselves hardcore. I knew that everyone was going to be dressing up as Roxanne so I actually went as Lisa. So she's the one that's like who's that guy? The hot blonde. And I won the costume contest for her because nobody

else was her. Very well done. Did fans of the movie know exactly who you were? Oh, hell yeah. That's amazing. That's my thing is pick the obscure...

If you're going to the 25th anniversary of a movie, like Jurassic Park or something, pick the most... Titanic is about to come out for its 25th anniversary.

You have to be the couple that's holding each other. We would be so good. You and me. Everyone would just be spooning, hopping around. And your clothes are just damp.

We would have to bring a third person to keep spraying us like a bad cat. Let's do it. You know everyone's going to gonna be jack and rose so you have to do exactly you'll win the costume contest i promise or i could be the propeller and you could be the guy that hits it i could just keep sneaking up on you and pow you know yeah no and then i'll spin around and yeah yeah that would be really respectful to the victims of the so this was a big movie of your childhood yes yes i was obsessed nice jamie what about you um i worked backwards i i saw an extremely goofy movie

give it up for extremely goofy I missed a goofy movie I started on turbo mode I started with an extremely goofy movie I really liked an extremely goofy movie but I was like extremely in comparison to what you know

sure and I also rewatched an extremely goofy movie because that I had a stronger nostalgic attachment to where I always think I was like,

oh, that's the one where Goofy follows Max to college because of a lot of complicated societal reasons but also because of Goofy's boundary issues.

So I was deep into the extremely expanded universe. Hilarious. And so I had to into the extremely expanded universe hilarious and so I had to work my way backwards and so that's why I think I have like less of an attachment to Roxanne because they act as if she has died in an extremely

goofy movie it's not canon to me really I mean I'm not surprised everyone is I mean like there are several key characters who disappear but yeah I saw extremely as we in the community call it. And just like, and we've been talking, I feel like Caitlin and I joke about that all the time, where it's like the sequel to Doubt would be an extremely doubtful movie. Oh, yeah.

Yes. It works for almost any really sad movie and it's almost always funny an extremely crashed movie like it it keeps working but

so I saw a goofy movie second and it is by far the stronger movie it is like far the stronger movie. It is like really, really good. Someone just choked on their own saliva. Wait, I'm sorry. You said the sequel is better? No, no, no. No, the original is better.

Okay, okay. She's right, people. Yeah. No, a goofy movie, like from a story perspective and what it has to say is way better. I'm still more attached to an extremely goofy movie, especially re-watching

it because on the re-watch for people who go back and watch an extremely goofy movie, which you should if you have it's like three minutes long. You can watch it. But I think it was fun because it's mainly it is father-son stuff

in the way that this first movie is but it's also clear that Disney has just purchased ESPN and they really want to advertise the X Games. Oh, my God. And that's why it's extremely goofy, is because they're skateboarding. Oh, extremely X Games. Okay, I understand.

ESPN,ly Disney merger is do you know that Goofy is the only one canonically who's had sex like that's kind of Mickey can't prove it he doesn't have offspring Donald those are his nephews oh wait

is there like not a short where like Mickey gets a vasectomy or something he's Goofy is the only one i mean it's very upsetting but goofy is the only one that has had sex so that's that we can prove and and but could max have been adopted wow wow you know there's a whole i'm on reddit way too much. There's a whole thing about Goofy and Clarabelle, the cow, which is interspecial. See, you know, I saw you shaking your head. You also were on that thread.

Yeah, so there was a whole thing about, is Clarabelle a dog or a cow? What is her history? Could she be Max's mom? What? Who's mom? What? Who's Clarabelle? Sorry. She's a cow who's like, you,

imagine a cow. Okay. I'm there. But like goofified. And she's like in the original, the old like 1950s Disney stuff. I think she might have had something around her neck. I don't know what, like feed?

Is that what she would have had? A cowbell. Wow, thank you. Anyways, in my universe, that is Max's mom, but she gave him up because she just wanted a different life. I see.

I will say there has been, I mean, I guess this is true of all cartoons that people have since, you know, fans have since gone through puberty. But when I was looking for shirts to wear, I wish I had thought to get a shirt sooner because had I had

six more days, I could have had a t-shirt with Max spanking Roxanne okay yeah yeah yes to be clear she's loving it it's very consensual it's very they're very I don't I mean I'm assuming they're very in love I don't you can only spank someone you're in love did you find this shirt and it just wouldn't have arrived in time? Or was this something you would design? I contacted all these

screen printers and they were just like they called the police. They're in that famous meme the bitch you live like this. Yes. Yes. That's them. That's our favorite couple.

Okay. They're kind of like, they are very iconic for a character that is all but killed off for the sequel. It's really wild. Caitlin, what's your history with a goofy movie? I had not seen it before. I really feel like I only knew about a goofy movie and from my extremely from your tweets and from the bit that we have done on the show where we say, oh, the sequel to spotlight spotlight and extremely spotlighty movie. But then I was like, we make this joke so often, and we're probably going to cover one, if not both, of the movies.

So I'll take it upon myself to watch a Goofy movie, which I did maybe six months ago for the first time. And then that's really it. And extremely women talking. Women talking. It just keeps delivering. I love it. women talking. It keeps, it just keeps delivering. I love it.

It makes me laugh every time, especially if it's not funny. So yeah, I had, I have no real attachment to a Goofy movie. Did you like it? Like the first time you watched it?

Um, look, I don't like how this is starting i find goofy the character and his antics irritating literally okay literally caitlin and i re-watched this together right before we came here and every time caitlin was like why is he doing that? I'm like look at his ID. His name is Goofy Goof. He's doing Goofy Goof things

because his name is Goofy Goof. How smart could the guy be? That doesn't mean I need to like it. Oh my gosh. never in my life. I honestly, as I got older, like being a teenager, yeah, I was like, Goofy's obnoxious as hell.

But as I got older, I'm like, this is just a dad who wants to hang out with his son. That is true. I appreciate that. He just wants to be a part of it. You're right. But then when Goofy starts driving, Caitlin goes nuclear.

He is endangering everyone on the road. So it's a nice movie. My gosh. I will say, okay, so there are a few, this movie is a spinoff of, did you ever watch Goof Troop?

I didn't. I did, yeah. Okay. I wasn't aware. Clearly I've watched the entire universe. It's very important to me. You won the costume contest at El Capitan. For Lisa.

That's huge. So this is a spinoff. For those who don't know, this movie is technically a spinoff of an afternoon cartoon with some of the same characters called Goof Troop. And i was not aware of that but there's like some precedent for what's going on i'm sorry i just thought of this but i have to

point out pete is also a cat i just that bothers me because they have dog cat no they're like they're a lion no actually they're they hate other, so that makes sense. Never mind. Well, I was more thinking the fact that they have the suggestion of the animal on top and then just a human face was more what bothered me about them. I was like, how would I know this is anything at all? As I was watching, I was like, okay,

you know Goofy's a dog, but then as time goes on, you kind of forget that he's a dog. You're like, oh, what a weird-looking guy. But then when you're put in a world full of Goofys, they look less and less like dogs all the time. Like the Pauly Shore character, what is that? What am I looking at? Is that a naked mole rat?

And then also listening to the Pauly Shore character after having seen Pauly Shore's Pinocchio. Yes. Father! Father, I just want to be on my own.

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I actually would call the Pauly Shore Pinocchio an extremely Pinocchio movie. Because it's really not about Pinocchio. Pauly Shore does a bad job and Napoleon Dynamite plays the horse. And you say, oh, the horse in Pinocchio? Not a character that exists in the world.

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about his crush, Roxanne. Wet or dry? It's a wet dream. It is. It's wild that this children's movie opens on the main character having a wet dream. That ends on like a Kafka-esque nightmare.

Great. Yes. So he's having a dream where he's about to kiss That ends on like a Kafka-esque nightmare. It's great. Yes. So he's having a dream where he's about to kiss his crush, Roxanne. But then it turns into this nightmare because his teeth and his hands and his feet become humongous. And he turns into his dad, Goofy. A yuck? Max wakes up and his dad, Goofy, comes in

and he's being so goofy. And then with you, it's like parentheses pejorative. Look, a little too goofy. It's not, I don't... I don't mind goofy behavior behavior i myself identify as a goof then why are you so upset i don't like how little self-awareness he has i respect it

okay so he's being very goofy and max is like dad you ruined my cardboard cut out of power line father i just want to be on my own so max loves power line the coolest rock star of all time according to him and goofy ruins his like cardboard cut out of him Then Max heads to his last day of school before summer vacation. And there's a song about how he's not gonna be a dork or a goof anymore. He's cool actually.

And he's gonna talk to Roxanne. Real incel vibes, I gotta say. Y'all were thinking it. They've been laughing since I can remember. They're not gonna laugh anymore yeah sir that is the manifesto of someone scary uh yeah so he's like i'm gonna talk to roxanne but then when the opportunity presents itself for him to do that he blows it and he goes and and then he runs away humiliated there is a version of this movie where roxanne's like yeah that laugh is really annoying sorry i i would have liked you but for

the yuck but in this version of the story it makes her excited she goes oh yuck yeah i'm gonna do that at least three more times okay uh max gets to school and he has something planned to get roxanne to notice him which again incel vibes yeah very uh so with the help of his best friend pj and bobby this kid who loves cheese whiz polly shore voiced by polly shore of pinocchio a true story fame so at the pep assembly max performs a song song dressed as Powerline to get Roxanne's attention. It goes well at first and everyone thinks he's so cool and Roxanne is digging it. But then Wallace Shawn principal puts an end to it. Sorry, I think you mean principal Wallace Shawn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. He puts an end to it and reveals that this person is Max Goof and everyone's like oh it's that Goof kid oh I love shorthand for bullying like oh yeah that Goof kid I'm like yeah he looks like all of you guys aka not really like a dog very much literally chill out okay so meanwhile goofy is at work his boss pete wait he's he's a like he works at jc penny yes yes sears photo department exactly can i just okay in an extremely goofy movie they don't address why his job has, but suddenly he works in a dystopian factory. It's the future.

It's like two years later. And he's working in this factory, and they're watching him on webcams, and then he gets fired. It's a nightmare for him. I don't know what happened to the photo studio because Pete's still his friend. It's unclear what happened. I don't because pete's still his friend it's unclear what happened

i don't know maybe he got fired i feel like are they are they friends in in the sequel they remain friends oh and quotes it yeah i guess it's like i don't even know like maybe it's just like the sort of like small town vibe where it's like well you live nearby so i have to make this work um but pete i guess like historically pete is a disney character that's existed longer than goofy he's a villain yeah since like the 1920s he was like in the old like walt disney alice in wonderland cartoons too he's been around forever he was in a christmas carol mickey's christmas car. He was. Ghost of the Future. Y'all are not real Disney fans.

I mean, I'm not even a Disney adult. Well, shame on you all. I learned this on Wikipedia. I say this with authority. I'm like, I learned this on Wikipedia two hours ago. But it is true. It is true.ete's been around yeah interesting around and in this version he's an antagonist neighbor that might be an emotionally

abusive father question yeah percent also moms are gone again disney hates moms we know that we'll unpack that because i because i thought the way this this movie it wasn't even dealt with moms. The moms didn't come up. I thought it was interesting. It was just as if they produced as if Max just showed up one day. Okay, so Pete is Goofy's boss and he's also PJ's dad and he's like, I'm taking PJ camping for the summer because it's a great activity for fathers and sons. Ever heard of them?

Yeah. This movie's about those guys. Like most movies. And then Pete is also like, and if Max doesn't want to spend time with you, Goofy, that probably means he's in a gang and doing crime. So back at school, Max roxanne finally chat and he works up the nerve to ask her to go with him to this girl's party this girl sorry stacy thank you i'm

so sorry who's dressed as blossom yeah so she's having a party where she's screening the power line concert that's happening in la in a week los angeles ever heard of it but max is in big trouble with the principal for this little stunt that he pulled at the pep assembly also what as you pointed out caitlin principal wallace sean has like weapons on his in like on the wall of his office yeah he's got like uh like a cricket paddle with like spikes to to principal wallace sean is killing these kids these dogs or cats whatever and he calls goofy and he's like you better get your son under control before he turns to a life of crime and ends up in the electric chair.

And that's a quote. That's a quote from The Flim. So Goofy is now so scared about what might happen to Max that he's like, okay, I have to take him on this fishing camping trip for the summer to Lake Destiny, Idaho. Ever heard of that? I haven't. And so he's like, okay, Max, we're going today. And Max doesn't want to go. It's

going to take weeks and he's going to miss the party with Roxanne. So they set off, but he stops at Roxanne's house to tell her. And she feels very rejected that he can't go to the party with her anymore. And she's like, I guess we'll just go with someone else. So then Max manipulative. Love it. See, I also have to be like, no one in this movie can communicate with each other. One of the tropes that is in this movie that like it's just like yeah it's 1995

it's gonna be there where it's like she's like a preteen girl and so when her dad comes to the door he's like rawr but he's like a real dog he's the only he's the only dog in this movie

he's a real dog he's literally like... He only barks and growls. Who's the guy from Mystic River? Is it Sean Penn? Who's a horrible person? But the guy who's like, my daughter.

That's Roxanne's... He's like hulking over poor Max. He's a bulldog. She's a bulldogdog I just put that together oh yeah okay yeah okay hang on this okay so we're gonna get to a part where they're on the road on the open road and they're they pass a car where a woman is driving and she has several pet cats in the car with her how it How do those cats exist in this universe? And then also Pete and PJ are cats.

Well, there are no rules when it comes to shaming women for owning cats. It doesn't matter what species they are. If a woman owns a cat, she's pathetic. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyways, my cat's starving to death at Yeah. Okay. Anyways. Okay. So my cat's starving to death at home while I say this. Okay. So Roxanne is like, I'm going to go to the party with someone else. So Max makes up a lie that his dad is taking him to the power line concert in LA and that Max will be joining Powerline on stage

for the final number. This is 90s teen canon. Where if there's a teenage boy character in the 90s, he's going to lie for, unprompted, to start the plot. Like, it's just

what he's gonna do. So, he has told this lie to roxanne and then max and goofy set off with a map of the route that all the places goofy went with his dad because there needs to be another father-son dynamic layered into the movie is it weird that i wanted to know how and when goofy's father died they reference him many times and then like max was like oh i guess you were close with him huh i'm like did he die before you were born like when when did goofy's father die you know what's wild he probably died when he was like 15 like dog years. His dad was like 15

years old. That's a problem though. Okay that was wigging me out for an extremely goofy movie which came out in 2000 takes place in 2000 and then goofy is like when I was in college in the 70s and you're like are you a dog or not?

What species are you that you're alive? And in your 70s and you're like are you a dog or not what species are you that you're alive and in your 40s like it doesn't make sense i just i i like was goofy's dad did he die in a dog way did or did he die in a person what is that like hit by a cary probably killed him with his driving no Goofy killed his dad with his driving his bad bad driving

what if Goofy's dad ate too many M&M's and died that's a dog way to die I wouldn't do that because of chocolate I couldn't do that there you go

he like got into someone's advent calendar. Yeah. Ah yuck. Mournful ah yuck. Ah yuck. Ah yuck. You know he says that when he's coming.

Again, canonically the only Disney character that's had sex. Of our main five. Goofy fucks, it's true. Goofy fucks. I mean, well, ask the internet. We can't know. True. We can't know.

Okay, so they set up on this trip, and Max is very resentful about being there. They fight over what to play on the radio. They sing a song about being on the open road. They go to this roadside attraction, Lester's Possum Park, where Goofy embarrasses Max. Then PJ and his dad, Pete, also show up.

Okay, we have to stop you, because we figured out, so Goofy's name prior to this franchise was like Goofy's P-Dog. Which I think we can all agree is innovative and chic and fat. But in the context of this franchise,

it appears to be Goofy Goof. Yes. And then Pete according to the Wikipedia page we learned is named Pete Pete yes because PJ is called PJ Pete which would make him Pete jr. Pete yes okay but this is not that different for Latino families. I'm sorry. My abuelo's name is Fernando Fernandez. Okay, okay.

Conceited. So, wow. Like, Pete is Latino. I mean, representation matters. It really does. Pete also has, maybe that explains pete's tail because i was also like losing my mind over pete's tail pete's tail shows up at this sequence of the movie that we're preventing hang on pete has a dog tail that's not a cat's tail it's like a little it could be a little cat's tail oh you're right no right. No, yeah. What species are they?

He's a bob, maybe a bobcat. Oh, okay. Let's go with that. In this world, can you be half cat and half dog? Like, I don't... Apparently, you could be half dog and half cow. I don't know. The world keeps it ambiguous,

and I think for the sake of pornographers everywhere, it should stay that way. Perfect. I think that that's good. Okay, so PJ... PJ Pete and Pete Pete show up. They're also camping. But, sorry, they're glamping

because they show up in, like, this huge RV. No way he makes that much money working at Sears! Right! He has murdered some people. Right. Right? Right. He has murdered some people. He's in the mafia. Or like, what did Pete's dad do for a living that they have that kind of money?

Nepo baby. He's a nepo. He's a nepo. Okay. So Goofy is like, oh, Pete, I feel like I'm driving Max further away. Maybe I should back off. And Pete is like, like no you have to

be a mean daddy so I'm sorry that was very sensual and then Goofy goes you know the fan art is out there okay oh of goofy and pete forget it in the camper i'm sure okay so goofy's trying to be a mean bad daddy now and he's like max we have to go fishing right now. And he shows Max how to fish.

And he keeps talking about the perfect cast. And I'm like, the perfect cast? Is he talking about the Bechtel cast? Okay. Literally fishing. Goofy taught me well. My thought was, we're saying a dog knows how to fish? But I don't know you know like goofy he's not competent at many things and so the fact that he knows how to fish i saluted him

on that he well he isn't very good because he accidentally catches bigfoot or he's great because no one catches Bigfoot. That's the whole thing. True. I see your point. Okay, so this does happen in the movie. He catches Bigfoot. Bigfoot attacks and traps Goofy and Max in their car all night. What if Bigfoot is how dogs view humans?

Like, what if that's the one human in this movie? That's us. It's Jeffrey Katzenberg. They caught him. Bigfoot's actually a human. Doesn't he have fingers and they all have those like little gloves?

I hear you're thinking. They reference that in an extremely goofy movie when PJ becomes a slam poet. He's like, are we always wearing gloves and you're like wow PJ really found himself oh my god I just wanted to take it off and it's just bones okay so so there's humans canonically that's us okay yeah yeah i like that yeah and this human slash bigfoot is terrorizing goofy and max and max starts to realize that goofy is just trying his best and max should go easier on his dad because they love each other.

And then also Max considers writing to Roxanne to tell her that he lied, but then he's like, no. He's like, wait, I'm a boy in the 90s. I would never tell the truth. And then he does find the map. And so while Goofy is sleeping, Max reroutes their trip to LA instead of them going to Idaho.

And they had the most heartbreaking moment, the high dad soup. High dad soup. High dad. It's really nice. Somebody on Rotten Tomatoes said this movie has no heart. And I don't know. I could tell they were like Gen X or something.

That's so wild. It's like, that is like, this movie's all heart. That's so wild. I feel like their ex has to be in it or something. Pauly Shore's ex gave a scathing review to this movie. Courtney Love?

Really? I don't know. He's dated, I'm sure he's dated everybody it's true everyone's okay everybody yes yeah the high dad soup was that like i mean that makes me cry every time i see it for those for you um yeah you're googling oh my god that's really nice there we'll tell you um or who did danny do you want to explain oh my gosh yeah i'll cry okay so he has alphabet soup and goofy says oh used to write like cute little things to me like hi dad and then when he and you know this is after they have a big blow up and And so he taps Goofy on the shoulder. And he hands him a cup.

And inside of it, it says, hi, dad. Out of the soup. It is cute as shit. It's really nice. I think about it when I need to cry before an audition. Oh. And Goofy does this thing in the car. Because this is a big thing with our communication. Which feels almost like a little out of character for Goofy.

But whatever. But he's sort of like, he's like, oh, yeah, and then you would say, I love, oh. And he didn't want to prompt his son to say, I love you. And then you're just like, oh, men are so broken. Even when they're goofy. That's so upsetting. Okay, so then Goofy,

after this nice hi dad soup moment, Goofy's like, you know what, son? You can choose the rest of the stops on the way to Lake Destiny. And then there's this montage

where they go to an amusement park. They go to a monster truck rally. There's a baseball game. They go to a cave. They murder a mime. And Max and Goofy are getting along way better. And I like

that in that sequence there is like a split. It's like they are coming together in that sequence because they start by just doing things that Max wants to do but then Max realizes that Goofy is not having as much fun going to monster truck rallies because he's a fucking square.

And so then Max is like let's kill a mime. Which is one of the things Goofy wants to do. He just wants to see a mime, but then he doesn't seem upset when the mime dies. But like, I thought it was that,

that was like a really, cause this movie is like truly two minutes long and, and the ways that they save time, but still like effectively build the relationship was like, oh, they start by just doing things that Max wants to do. But by the end they are you know kill

billing Goofy's enemies I love that this movie keeps getting progressively shorter and you keep looking like literally this movie's 30 seconds I blinked it was over but I was crying okay so what happens next they link up with PJ and Pete again. Pete overhears Max tell PJ that he changed the map to take them to LA. And so Pete, because he's a narc, tells Goofy about this.

Goofy sees the map, and he is so sad that Max would deceive Goofy like that. But Max keeps navigating them to L.A. And Goofy is still really upset. They have this big fight as their car is careening down a hill. They end up in the river. They are like saving time like wild in this movie because the climactic action scene is also the climactic resolution between father and son, where they're screaming over this VW that's crashing,

and they're like, but you didn't listen to me effectively at school. It's awesome. It's awesome. And so they make up finally, and Goofy's like, oh, I understand that you're growing up. But I just want to be a part of your life. And Max is like, oh, dad, maybe I take your love and affection for granted. And then he tells Goofy about Roxanne. Off screen, which sucks.

Well, then Goofy is like, well, shit shit let's get to the power line concert because we have to maintain this lie that you told oh my god good dad which to be fair yeah that is the greatest gift a parent can give their lying child have either

of your like have your parents ever helped you maintain a lie before like that um okay no i feel like my mom kept it a lie that i wasn't a virgin probably that's it that's a okay cool okay there we go there it is they also found this oh my gosh this is so 2000s. They found, my mom I think found a Smirnoff ice that we had probably just one. Isn't that sad that we probably like cycled between the four of us in their glove compartment? And she also kept that from my father.

So that's powerful. But he kept that he had multiple other kids. So, you know, who was really good at secrets learned from the best yeah okay okay caitlin's overriding the question. Alright, we cut to a... Oh, okay. So Goofy's like, oh, fuck,

we gotta get to this concert. But first they have to escape from a waterfall and they save each other with fishing lines via the perfect cast. The Bechtel cast, once again. They start streaming

our Armageddon episode. And all of a sudden, they know what to do. Yeah, and it's a very tender moment. Cut to, they have snuck backstage at the Powerline concert in LA. Roxanne is watching the concert on TV. Everyone's like, where is Max? And then he shows up on stage. Max, Goofy, and Powerline.

Wait, they also killed another person. Wait, which one is this? Yes, the crew guy that was just trying to do his job, which he probably got paid minimum wage and has a family. He flew into the television. He at least was hospitalized. Well, I will say at least Teamsters are usually unionized,

but he did die. And when that happened in Phantom of the Opera, it was a really big deal. Yeah. It doesn't really matter how much health insurance you have when you're dead. When you get killed by Goofy. But also,

everyone cheered. He had it coming. Okay, so, Powerline is totally fine that these two strangers are on stage with him now.

And they're all doing a dance and it's awesome. And the people watching on TV are loving it and everyone's having a great time friends back at home so like roxanne does that thing the one face that she makes where she's like oh yeah you know like she's doing that little face she does and then and then polly shore goes that's my friend or like whatever he says but I love that's like one of my favorite moments in the movie when like because that's like your dream when you're a kid to like do something and then have your friends be like they were cool actually and have someone

make the little face at you like that's the best. I love that part. Yeah. It was very nice. Okay, I have to say at this point, my theory that I think that Powerline and Goofy are related. Because when Goofy gets on there, Mac says, do the perfect cast. His dad starts to do the perfect cast. And then Powerline, seeing it, jumps in and finishes it with him.

How does he know the super secret Goofy family recipe? Whoa. Whoa. All these dogs are related. If that's true, Powerline is a terrible relative for letting Goofy work at that factory in an extremely goofy movie.

And also just not hooking them up with concert tickets. Yes. I don't think they know they're related. It's like my dad's kids and I. Okay. People have literally argued with me about this. Like, no, he's just a quick learner. Like, he just saw what Goofy was doing,

and then he, I was like, no, he literally finishes the cast with him. It's true. Unless he, like, uploaded it to YouTube or something. Or an alternate theory. You know how some animals just have instincts? You know how geese just know to fly south for the winter what if all dogs know how to do

the perfect cast instinctively whoa like all dogs that are whatever they breed that is like a dog top of head but a human bottom of head like Goofy and Powerline and also the cats for some reason and bottom of head. Like Goofy and Powerline.

And also the cats for some reason. I know nobody asked for this, but I really want a live action version of this movie. Stay with me. And it's Jim Carrey's Grinch. Like that makeup.

That would actually be great. Thank you. Shave it off. That's brilliant. So the only thing is just like don't give it to Robert Zemeckis yeah

you just cannot give it to him but yeah you can give that to Ron Howard he's done it before he did Jim Carrey Grinch not to bring up Shrek but

no bring up Shrek thank you I will Jeffrey Katzenberg factors into this movie yeah a live action Shrek thank you I will um Jeffrey Katzenberg factors into this movie yeah a live action Shrek well

did you did anyone see the like AI rendering of like what Shrek would look like if it was like a 1980s fantasy

live action movie yes this is some good images we're getting more nods than I was expecting that's we've really cultivated a toxic fan base um anyway okay we need to move on okay all right they they're dancing at the concert

everything's great then we cut to max and goofy arriving back home max goes to roxanne he confesses that he lied that he didn't ever actually know powerline. And she's like, why did you lie to me? I would have liked you no matter what. And he's like, okay, do you want to hang out? And she's like, yeah. And then I forgot to keep writing the recap. But it ends kind of abruptly there.

You may have finished. Goofy blows up. Yes. This car explodes. It does. And that's kind of the end of everyone makes up and everyone has a great relationship.

The end. They don't even do that. Like Goofy blows up, lands in Roxanne's house and then Max goes, babe, this is my poppy. And like that's it. And then it's like

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Who do you want to talk about? What do you want to talk about? I love Max's style. I mean, Dani, what stands out to you right away? Who do you want to talk about? What do you want to talk about? I love Max's style. I was so... Thank you. That's how I knew I was bi though. I was like, I had the biggest... They purposely made them hot.

That Lisa girl has tits. I mean, a lot of the dog girls have tits. And in an extremely goofy movie, Max goes to college, and then every dog girl has, like, tits. It's like... Oh, you know who else you could be?

The goth girls on the bus. Yeah! I really loved them. I'm not like the other girls. They're goth. They're listening to the goofy cure. They pierced each other's ears.

They're listening to bright goofy eyes. They're having a lot of fun. No, but his style, clearly he was modeled after JTT. That was the 1995 like... Yeah, I mean that totally like i i think it's so bizarre that like when a character exists for this long eventually they become relatable in a

very like generational sense it's so bizarre that goofy was able to become yeah a boomer dad like it's so but there is i feel like it was like best illustrated in the like a very like i don't know like maybe like an obvious way but like when they're switching the radio back and forth and it's like oh it's like bill clinton kid and jfk guy like are all he's literally turning on high hopes that like jfk ran with that song and he's literally turning on high hopes that, like, JFK ran with that song. And he's like, what about this? Yuck. And then he's like, no, I like, you know, a good economy and a bunch of fucked up stuff.

You know? Max is Gen X, and we have to sort of grapple with that. You know? Are you sure? Yeah. He's listening to, like, Van Halen in there. He's 15 in 1995. You know? It's like, he's, like, kind of, you know. No, he was, like, seven. Yeah. He's listening to Van Halen in there. He's 15 in 1995.

You know, it's like he's kind of... No, he was like seven. In dog years? Oh. Well, yeah, canonically, Max is dead. So we don't need to worry about it, really. Max is like on the cusp of Gen X and... Max was born last year. Yeah. Max is... I mean, either way, it's a non-issue. He died. on the cusp of Gen X and... Max was born last year. Like...

Yeah. Max is... I mean, either way, it's a non-issue. He died. He just started opening his eyes. Max died... So if he was 15 in dog years, he was alive for less than...

For, like, a little over two years, which means he would have been born in 1993. So we're like... Max and I are actually around the same age, except he died a long time ago. Because then he would have died latest 2008.

We can't do math. Well, when was the last time they made a goofy movie? Not past 2008. Because Max died of old age. Should we talk about how this is a story about fathers and sons? Yeah. It's a good story about fathers and sons. I don't mind it.

It's a nice one. I wrote that in. I said, but a nice one in my notes. Because, I mean, the characters have to learn and grow in order to be able to understand each other and like maintain and strengthen their relationship which is usually not what father son narratives are about so that was nice you have like goofy he needs to learn to accept that his son is growing up he needs to learn to respect his boundaries and learn the best approach to

parenting max and then max i don't know he just like needs to stop being a little shit yeah basically i feel like i do i do like that um i feel like a lot of the traits that goofy has in this movie are normally attributed to mothers and that he's overbearing. He is really emotional in the way that he deals with his son. And it's not... That just is who he is.

I don't know. I thought it was a really smart decision on the part of, I guess, also the writers of Goof Troop who established this. So shout out the writers of Goof Troop and of this movie because it works really well with a character that is supposed to be

kind of all over the place to make them like a very emotionally driven parent who doesn't quite get it but like really, really cares because I feel like fathers are really often characterized because of society reasons as being very like distant and cold and unkind. And it's like,

goofy is not even a great dad really, but he is a bad dad from a way that we don't usually see he's like really emotionally it's like the goku of the disney universe he has feelings in the 90s they always had the dumb dad trope you know like home improvement and the simpsons and family guy and like but he actually is doing the two-parent role. He's both Lois and Peter. Yes. That's wild.

He's stupid and he's overbearing. I love it. And he is, even at the beginning, he's doing chores. He does maintain their house. He's wearing his towel as though he has titties. Covering them up. Don't hold that towel up. He's wearing his towel as though he has titties. Covering them up. Don't hold that towel up.

He has like six nipples. Well, probably eight. And that's just dog facts with Caitlin. Thank you. Could be six, could be eight. You know, depends on the dog. Hard to say. Yeah, we don't know what species Goofy is

because he's just scary looking. But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day it's both characters needing to learn how to communicate their feelings in a productive way and that's not the story for male characters usually yeah and and instead of like this movie doesn't really have a clear cut villain I feel like Pete because like you're saying Danny like Pete has a history of being sort of a villain but like it's more just like there's two sets of fathers and sons fucking it up in different

ways and Goofy and Max figure it out and PJ is just fucked I suppose like he's just gonna have to like go on SSRIs like the rest of us. Do they have like, I don't know who you would call,

like the SPCA or something. I called the SPCA on myself. But I mean, what we do know from the sequel that he gets really into poetry, which actually does make sense for him, is he gets, into poetry, which actually does make sense for him. Is he, what everyone was like,

well, as if that made sense, we all have trauma to unpack and we've all done it via poetry. Yeah. But, but I, I do like that in the absence of a clear cut villain, we have like two very different kinds of like unhealthy father,

son dynamics. and then we see goofy and max figure it out and like create a healthier dynamic and meet in the middle and goofy is able like to in spite of the fact according to caitlin being too damn goofy he is able to by observing how pete treats pj which is a very domineering... There's a scene where Goofy and Pete are in a hot tub. If you were there, you were there. A fan art. In certain fan arts, more happened.

In the movie, it was like Pete is you're you want your son to like you i want my son to respect me which are like two you know different toxic approaches to parenting but but i think like goofy learns sort of in that moment that it's like oh being a domineering parent isn't going to achieve a healthy relationship with my son which is what i want so i have to try something different and then also max is a fucking liar so it's complicated he can't stop lying max well hey you get single dad representation i'm starting to think they must raise their kids like seahorses. Because there's not a single mom. The women, even Roxanne.

Oh, yeah. When you go to her house, her dad, I'm starting to think they have a pouch. And the women just leave at 18. The way those dogs come out looking, I would not disbelieve anything. I was like, are they coming out of eggs like what is happening with these damn animals i don't know something happened between the pluto to goofy line and they've what it was something something went very very wrong birthing them

yeah they're doing something else. I did. I mean, that is like kind of a double-edged sword. And again, it's like a binary double-edged sword too. But it's like, because at this same time, because this movie comes out in 95, which is like squarely in the middle of the Disney Renaissance,

or I guess towards the end. And you have this series of mostly princess protagonists who rarely have a mother. It's always addressed in a vague, impactful way. Usually like your mother would have blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like,

where is she at? We don't know. She ate too many M&Ms and she died. That's what happened to all the disney moms um but and but like even though it is such a disney trope that the mother is presumably dead like it's always this looming bizarre thing over the story. But in this movie, you're totally right, Dan. It's like they never were. Because Goofy talks about his father, and

that's kind of it. And what happens is that means that there's like no women in the story, which is like, well, I don't love that. But then, but how did Roxanne get there? How roxanne show up how did any of them what you say that goofy has had sex

but i've talked about the fan art okay i don't know now i think like i don't, they like take us out back or something. And then like after, you know, we're obsolete. Yeah. I mean, that was sort of, I guess there were, Caitlin and I, no, we can't go there. Do dogs put other dogs down? I had a lot of, I had a lot of like, what happens to the women dogs? Like what happens? Because there are a lot of like, what happens to the women dogs? Like, what happens? Because there are a few of them.

There's like, for instance, the Wallace Shawn secretary has lived. But it's like, is it like fucking Nuremberg? Like, what did she have to do to survive? There are so few women dogs. This is like, don't worry, darling. There's not a lot of women who appear to survive to adulthood, I will say. The unsolved mysteries that we need. The movie All Dogs Go to Heaven is a sequel to a Goofy movie.

Or maybe we're oversimplifying it by being like, oh, like, women are inherently good. You know, like, Goofy's wife is in hell I just realized what it is one of those women can have like six puppies so it's kind of like y'all know in the Lion King I know mind blowing

you know in the Lion King how Mufasa is actually Simba and Nala's dad and we know that yeah because that's how prides work there's only one male in the lion king how mufasa is actually simba and nala's dad and we know that yeah because that's how prides work there's only one male in the pride so all those little kids are actually all of his siblings um so that's the same with this so roxanne and yeah so the mom actually had six puppies and then she just bailed yeah as. As I would too. So that does, so that would mean, so if Goofy is everyone's dad,

no, wait, no, one, I'm getting confused. That doesn't make sense either. Wait, wait,

hold on. Wait, if Goofy, wait, are you saying I'm getting confused? Is Goofy Mufasa? I'm saying she's, it works. Is Goofy Mufasa? I'm saying she's... It works.

Is Goofy Mufasa? She's had a puppy mill. Like that's what's happening. It only works when they've had several litters. They all... Oh, okay. And then they killed her? There's just one of them.

There's just one mom for the whole universe. I feel like I'm going to have a panic attack. Oh, my God. Okay. But there's no... So... Max and Roxanne related? Y or N?

Okay. Probably. Okay. It makes sense. Someone's really upset. I'm so... Goofy is the mufasa i was like did goofy have sex with everything you know who told me that my sixth grade science teacher yeah she got up in front of our class and was like actually simba and nala are related what yeah she had an act

and now we're gonna to learn about periods. Yeah, she did. She was divorced. I love, it's like, if you're a teacher, and like, okay, teachers with, my whole family is teachers, teachers that teach between 6th and 10th grade, you gotta have an ax to grind,

or you're not going to find the thrill to continue continue you gotta say something really fucked up every year how can i unnerve these little fuckers something unhinged yeah it was she was like neil degrasse tice that's something he would say amongst other things okay okay shall we talk about roxanne yes yeah why was she so hot in the beginning oh because he's having a nocturnal emission um me and caitlin's um cover band is goofy neutofy neutered? Oh. Okay, we... So he couldn't. So wait, that totally undermines

the Mufasa thing. No, he... You know, after he had a few litters. After he huked. A time or two. Wow. So anyway, Roxanne, as it really,

so she's in the story because she was the love interest of Max. Uh, and then there are basically no other women in there, like female characters in the movie. Uh, there's Stacy. There's Stacy. Sure. But she could be kind of taken out of the movie and not much would change but we love that she's there of course as far as like the romance goes between we already stated that the whole story is built on a lie that max told which he maintains and which goofy helps him maintain but then he does come clean at the very end and he says roxanne i lied to you and she gets upset with him calls him out

says like why did you lie to me you did not need to do that i would have liked you no matter what. But then she says, a hyuh? Yeah. She literally does. She does. And he does not apologize. He admits to lying, but doesn't really apologize for it. And then he does surprise kiss her at the end. Yes.

He definitely surprises kisses her. The way that the apologies were dealt with in the movie I thought were bizarre because it was like no one explicitly says I'm sorry but it felt it did feel like apologies were given. I don't know.

In the scene where there's a long scene where Goofy and Max are at sea on their car that's broken. They don't seem that worried about where they're going. At one point, the car heads into a cave and they're like, we should duck.

It was like, you don't know what's in this cave. That's really scary. But it's a movie, so fine. But they like, it's bizarre because they seem to like emotionally hash things out and be honest with each other. The words I'm sorry or i apologize aren't spoken but it felt like that was a chief i don't know like i guess it like i it made me like

sort of wonder like well especially in a movie that came out in 1995 i felt like it was a pretty decent apology for someone who didn't say i am sorry true you know i'm sorry the whole time you were talking i just was thinking of goofy slipping him a rubber like you were like you were like what you said oh yeah like he helped his son like carry out the lie and i could just see him like here you go kid you know like be safe goofy does love safety except for when he's driving um oh my god my dog has never apologized to me so i don't know if it's in their vocabulary that's right yeah like maybe they have we also never saw them sniff a single butt so it's what are they goofy's been alive for a hundred years it's because i think every time goofy kills he gets the remainder that's why he can't that's why he's like oh i can't drive

you know he's killing people all the time he's killing different dogs all the time so he can tuck everlasting them you know absorb their shit damn yeah yeah no that's that's why they pay me the big um but but yeah i i don't know like roxanne i the thing is the the scenes where we get like a little glimpse into who roxanne is I really like her. Like she's a really, really sweet and likable character. The scene with her and Max, when they're like awkwardly kind of tripping over each other in this very like teenage way. I thought that scene was really sweet. I just like wish you got more of it,

I guess. It's like, you get to know that like, she does clearly have a crush on Max and has for a while. She's really excited to go to this party with him we see her talk to stacy a little bit and like you get these glimpses into like a fun teen character but then she just disappears for an hour because the movie is about fathers and sons yeah and that's what happens all the time like i feel like there was room in the movie because it's only one second long

like blinking you miss it but like there was room in the this very short movie to like cut back to what was happening is she just like hooking up with that hot varsity player yeah like i i i like the glimpses we get of roxanne but i feel like we more often see her in max's fantasies than we actually see her in real life um which is a bummer because like when you see her being a like a i don't know what to call her a dog question mark i don't know what is she she's a dog right she's a dog i need to see the inside of her house i just like we never get to see it we always just see like a peek with her dad yeah what's framed in there what's i and also have she and her family had their picture taken by goofy at jc. It's interesting.

I don't know. With Roxanne, I really like her, but I feel like there's just like, I just wish there was more of her. And it's like a bummer because it makes it really easy to extremely goofy kill her off in the second movie because I feel like you didn't get enough of her. Because all like Pau shore and pj come

back in the second movie and they're big players pj gets into slam poetry polly shore he kind of stays the same but they're they're both there but roxanne is gone it's a bummer. Okay. Since we're running out of time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Let's, you know, figure out. Does this movie pass the Bechdel test? I don't think so. It's actually a hard no.

It definitely doesn't. But, but, but. But. I would be curious. And then we'll give our ratings I know you have to get going Danny

so you are familiar with our nipple scale you know one to five nipples based on how well it sort of fares in terms

of intersectional feminism so you don't want to scale one to five nipples what would you be giving a goofy movie do you think I have to give it like eight five nipples. What would you be giving a goofy movie, do you think?

I feel like I have to give it like eight nipples. Is that how many you said they have? Eight nipples? Yeah, often, yeah. Okay, often. I don't know, how do you know that? I haven't looked at my dog's nipples, but I will. I'm not going around town.

The second I get home, I'm going to count them. And please actually let us know. Okay, okay. so you'll give it eight nipples the movie you know what the i like the diversity which yeah we we ran out of time to talk about it we'll record a pickup or something we will yeah yeah but it's like this movie has been like lauded for its diversity which is complicated but it's truly like a very true thing yeah yeah wait should we give our nipple skills or do we we have to go right you gotta go all right to the show so okay thank you for having me yeah oh my god give it up for our

guest she's amazing okay so that's where we are going to transition out of the live show because so after this we pretended that danny had to leave for another show but then she came back out and we all did karaoke we sang stand out danny really like pulled some moves out we have we'll post pictures of it when we release the episode yeah but but it doesn't really unfortunately translate to the audio medium it would just be us using uh audio that's illegal to use correct on the show but shouts out to juliet and gianna who came on stage with us and sang. Champions. And I believe it was them who won Dani's prize when she did a trivia question. Also something that didn't translate well to the audio medium. So you won't hear that in the show.

But yeah, I mean, it was, it's, we, I love when audience members come on stage. It's so exciting. It's fun. But because it's a live show and it's a limited amount of time and kind of a looser atmosphere, we didn't have time to touch on everything that we wanted to. And so that is where this next segment comes in. That's right. And so we want to introduce, he is the creator and host of the YouTube channel,

Redis 101. It's Leron Redis. Thank you so much for joining us. Welcome. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, it's our pleasure. We're stoked to have you. We're huge fans of your work and specifically your work on this exact subject.

It was truly fortuitous oh man i really you think that me doing this for so long that i'd get used to people saying that i'm a big fan of your work i'm never used to hearing that it's simply the truth yeah and we as i mean like in particular for for this episode we're huge fans of your um it's from last year, I believe, right? Your video essay about how a goofy movie connected with black millennials specifically. Yes, yes. I released February of last year specifically for Black History Month. The video was, I was planning on releasing it like years ago and started working on it, work on it years ago, but I never, mental things in my own head. But then last year I was like, you know what?

I'm releasing this video. The time has come. The people need it. Pretty much. We specifically need it. You explained this beautifully in the video as well, but for our listeners, could you give us a little insight

into your connection to a Goofy movie? When did you first see it and how did your connection to it kind of change over the years oh sure i saw a goofy movie years ago during my during my childhood early elementary school i think leaving fifth grade because uh as everybody else i assume even though i didn't necessarily have the disney channel i was aware of goof troop and i knew i knew the correlation between a goofy movie and goof troop because max was in it and was a bit older he had a deeper voice so i immediately was able to to tell it oh this takes place in the the future. So I wonder if Pete and PJ are in it, things like that. And watched it in theaters when I was young. Of course, it wasn't necessarily one of the biggest things that Disney promoted.

I can't remember what other animated feature came out around that time, but it was definitely a Pocahontas versus lion king type thing right that came to a goofy movie it was like yes it was it was one of the disney films that was released this year but they were probably busy promoting something else because it was like oh we put all our money in this one and it was just like you released that um but yeah but it but it clearly it became a classic among not just not just like black millennials but just like millennials in general from different walks of life like once i released the video of course i received multitudes of individuals uh who had the same background as i

did uh comment and let me and let me know that they also felt the same way, but also like white millennials, Hispanic, Latino millennials from different backgrounds and everything like that, just letting me know that a lot of the things that I related to it as I got older, so did they. Nice. So I want to go through the reasons that, and I watched a few video essays on this exact topic, and a number of people cited certain specific reasons why this movie resonated with them in particular, as far as like how this movie connected with their black experience. The reasons that you cite in your video essay, perhaps the most obvious and superficial reason being that Powerline, who is a dark-skinned goof character, being inspired by

real-life Black pop stars, namely Prince Michael Jackson and Bobby Brown. But then there's also a number of other kind of like socioeconomic cultural reasons, such as the way that Max tries to impress Roxanne at the beginning. That being kind of like a power fantasy for a lot of black kids attending underfunded schools because of redlining. And, you know, those kids not having access to the elaborate way that Max puts on this big show to impress roxanne it becomes this like escapist fantasy exactly i didn't know schools in general had av clubs until oh god damn i think i only learned that av clubs existed when i got older and watched stranger things for the first time i had a similar i thought that AV clubs only existed on TV. Yeah.

Which sucks because I was like, I think I would get along with these kids. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Which was, because we definitely, I definitely had, like, clubs in, like, high school and college. A lot of my very good friends I met my freshman year of high school in my anime club. Nice. But I never really experienced an av club the closest thing we got to was like qualifying to like say the morning announcements if that was a

if if if they didn't like have somebody already doing that but uh and then whatever performing arts i we would have to either audition within or go elsewhere if there wasn't any in the school or the school wasn't providing enough i would have to seek it out like there were a lot of other extracurricular activities i would have to i would define that have been funded outside of like this public school system and everything like that so it's just like seeing how easily accessible Max PJ and I can never remember his name. Cheese Whiz Kid. Pauly Shore. Yeah.

Pauly Shore. Yeah. I think it's the character's name. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, well, he was only introduced in the movie. It's like, I don't know him from Roof Troop. It's like, I kind of have more familiarity with him once an extremely goofy movie came

out, but that's about it they did they did plunge the depths of the polyshark character for some reason but yeah it was just like it's like you only ever saw like seeing that having access and how they planned everything the only piece of equipment i was able to relate to was the television on the cart because that was how you knew that we weren't doing anything but watching a movie in school in class that day and i was like and the way they elaborately set up the the situation at at the p at the pa meeting it was just like, man, you can do this? And then as I was just doing research and everything, what really started me down that road was being introduced to how redlining was handled initially.

And I was initially introduced when I first watched the original Candyman movie because they explained the Cabrini-Green situation between Helen Lyle's condos versus the Cabrini-Green apartment and how they were both created and they were able to pass her building off as condos because it was on the other side of the bridge and that's how I learned about redlining and researching that then also seeing how it affected the public school system especially here in Detroit One of the examples that I made is like, and depending on some suburban schools, they don't necessarily have to raise funds in order to have their scholastic book fair. But we had to sell Little Caesars cookie dough in order to do that. And it was like, I've definitely been to school.

The majority of my elementary schools were pretty much down the street and around the corner. The prestigious schools in the state of Detroit, which are Cass Technical High School, where I graduated from, Martin Luther King Jr. High School, and Renaissance High School, the big three, you had to test in or audition in through the arts. And, of course, there is Detroit School of Fine and Performing Arts, which is in Midtown, where you also clearly had to audition there because it's a performing arts school. Everything else was like, would have to be considered, you know, not as, I'm not going to say they weren't also like pretty, pretty much in the same boat, despite me looking out and being in one of the big three and just experiencing that. So I know individuals who didn't go to those high schools and went to other ones around, like I think Cooley High.

I think we had our own Cooley High as well. Experiencing that and then seeing how it related to a goofy movie and seeing how people saw what Max was willing to do and everything like that. To mention the fact that it's one of the only pieces of media, which is something I also say in my video essay, that has been successfully written by a Gen Xer that has allowed millennials to relate to it. One of the writers for the Bill

and Ted trilogy helped write a goofy movie. And I thought it was very well done. I thought he really did his homework as far as taking what he experienced as a Gen Xer, seeing how it applies to millennials and making it more and making it relatable to that target demographic, as opposed to just recycling his own experiences and hoping that there's something to latch on to. Yeah. Of the many great segments, that was one that honestly I had not really considered because I knew his history, but I wasn't super familiar with Bill and Ted. Or I just think it's fascinating when and like encouraging when a writer is willing to grow because most don't seem interested. Not at all.

He said like, that is why euphoria. Yeah, that's exactly. one of the ways that this is most obvious as far as the writer being willing to understand the millennial experience is in another observation you made about a goofy movie which is the the differences in the way that pete raises pj versus how goofy raises Max and how the kind of like, quote unquote, under the thumb approach to parenting that Pete takes feels very familiar to many Black millennial kids, whose parents learned this kind of parenting style from a religious Christian context, plus generational trauma. Yeah, it's very much a passing down of, let's just be honest, everything resorts back to white supremacy in one way or another. It's generational trauma that started with the slave trade. And depending on how one has interpreted religion since then, has allowed it to take heed of how they identify to raise their children and that's partially the reason why there's kind of like a disconnect between how some black individuals

view white individuals raising their children and how the difference is between those. Of course, we've all heard the jokes about how, like, you know, a black family will watch a white family at a Target let their kid run rampant and not do any disciplinary things and be like, that wouldn't be my child. We've all heard those jokes. And sometimes, and of course, we've all heard those jokes and sometimes and of course we've all have we've all experienced their very white privileged kid being able to like freely curse at their parents call them by their first names and and have black individuals and individuals of color look at that situation and see the blatant disrespect and be like that shit wouldn't happen to me though

it's just like at the same time we also tend to look at individuals in slightly healthier relationships with their the parents and their child have that type of like respect that also promotes like mutual friendship with, between the parent and the child and also see that as just as foreign. And it's mostly because we've never experienced that. And because we've seen how they aren't willing, like because of how they were raised, they weren't willing to give that same amount of respect because they don't willing, like, because of how they were raised, they aren't willing to give that same amount of respect because they've never known how to do that.

Like, one of the biggest jokes within the Black community, regarding Black millennials and, you know, Gen Z and everything, and everyone else younger than boomers lately, has been the main way a black parent apologizes to their black child is to ask them what they want to eat it's never the best way a black parent apologizes to their black child is to say i'm sorry it's doing everything else the fact that we have at least two to three generations of parents never acknowledging that they were wrong about something or that they were sorry about something that they should have done things better and that us now that we are at the age of being parents are just now making the active decision to actually like break that like line of generational

trauma and i mean gen xers have done it before also i wouldn't know my parents my parents are boomers so i have to look at my sisters and see and see how they have decided and even even they mess up as well and they take things out of situation because you have some of those Gen Xers that they understand the rebellion of dealing with their boomer parents. They still have some aspects about their parents that, you know, they still hold on to because most people have to set in their ways. So it's just like exploring that aspect and seeing how that projected with Pete and PJ and Goofy and Max and just seeing how weird it was to see that relationship play out with Goofy and Max it reminded me of a lot of the foreignality of how some black parents look at not just not just white parents but just parents that have a mutual respect with their children to the point where it's just like they were able to have this relationship.

And of course, it doesn't really help that you have like the party moms like Amy Poehler and fucking Mean Girls to have that type of physical representation, depending on what you're watching. But at the same time, it does exist. And it all goes back to the intersectionality aspect that I explained in the video. I think that was one of the reasons why Black Millennials seeing the road trip that Goofy and Max went on was so inspirational, because it allowed them to see that it was possible for both parents and children to trust each other and see what's in the road that would happen because of how things have played out between the two because of the because just like i said in the video none of this would have happened if goofy just sat down with max after school asked what the fuck happened instead of just believing the principal and just thinking that he's just a fucking gangbanger it's just like principal wallace sean really fucked up their family like it was

it was bad yeah and um that's the the third main observation you make in your video essay is the lack of communication between max and Goofy feeling very close to home for many black 90s kids because of this generational gap between kids and their parents. And as you point out in your essay, and not to quote your own words back at you, but I loved the way you put this, so I'm gonna quote you. You say, despite multiple people being able to relate to this experience, this is something that can be 100% understood and relatable to black millennials who felt the pressure of growing up being pleasant,

hardworking, and unthreatening in order to thrive in a world that while still mirrors the one your parents did grow up in is making strides and getting better in ways to allow yourself your freedom of expression as much as it allows your white counterparts so sound familiar yeah um did you say that already yeah it's it's definitely along the lines of uh the code the code for that as far as the the black lexicon is uh hey sometimes black kids want to do white people shit too and sometimes and i've seen this i've seen this play out a proper example was being raised to believe that, not necessarily believe, but raised to see because of who your parents are, that there are just some things that we as

African Americans shouldn't really do because of the fact of we see everything going on in the world. We see what our parents dealt with and we see what we have to deal with now but at the same time we also grew up with power rangers and we saw the power rangers movie and some of us want to fucking skydive and pair and some of our black parents just like why the fuck would you want to skydive that's some white people's shit and it's just like but they made it look so cool and i was doing it so there are black people sky's shit and it's just like but they made it look so cool and i was doing it so there are black people skydiving and it's just like and it's very much along the lines of like the lack of communication definitely drills back with like black parenthood and black children

with the children feeling like because the parents are so set in their ways they can't rely on them to talk about anything the closest thing i can come to compare it with is like a queer child who wants to let their parents know that they are queer but doesn't know how they would react if they tell them um and I definitely experienced that. I didn't come out to my mom until I was like 31. But the lack of, not necessarily lack of communication, the lack of trust. And that lack of trust is present because the children have seen how the parents react to everything else in the world, see how they react to something that they have done when they were younger,

see how they react to their older or younger siblings, see how they react to news outlets. Like one of the reasons why it took me so long to come out to my mom was because the year that I planned to come out to my mom, my sister came out to my mom was because the year that I planned to come out to my mom, my sister came out to my mom as bicurious, not to say that Will and Grace is right about certain stereotypes, but around Christmas. And it was just like, oh, if she's doing that, then I'm just going to back up here and wait until that cools down and maybe just wait a bit. But so it's like that lack of trust. And while it's definitely relatable, regardless

of your ethnicity, it's me as a Black individual and seeing other Black individuals experience that same aspect and then seeing it play out that lack of communication and that wants to tell your parents about something but not being able to because you know don't know how they're going to react was definitely relatable and i and i love that like in this movie specifically it's i don't know like hopefully parents can get a lot out of it too of just like watching a communication issue be resolved in like a lot out of it too of just like watching a communication issue be resolved in like a kind of messy but kind of loving way yeah yeah and hopefully not having to ruin the auto insurance of your car by having it go down a fucking waterfall we were we were talking

we didn't mention that in the live show but like yeah the car falls down a waterfall and then goofy's like well we gotta get to this damn concert and then cut to the car is pulling up to the concert i'm like oh i guess they figured it out and then drove all the way back across the country to exactly the east coast somewhere ish and then explode yeah i think ohio the map said they started off okay i couldn't tell i something so fascinating about movies and just storytelling in general is how based on an individual viewer's experience and circumstances that they can watch something and observe and interpret things very differently from how someone else of a different background would experience and interpret the events of the story or just the lack of representation of visibly seeing black people on screen or visibly seeing any marginalized group on screen because so often marginalized people have to take media that is sort of just like by default or assumed like the the assumed default situation for the characters is that they are cis het white

probably middle class able-bodied neurotypical the list goes on and assuming that oh yeah most audiences will be able to relate to that and it leaves marginalized viewers having to follow the crumbs and be like okay here are the ways that uh i i can see myself represented in this media that is clearly not written with them in mind right and i feel i feel that with a goofy movie they were able to successfully i they and by they i mean african-americans were able to ideally identify successfully with it, all these aspects about it, because, well, subconsciously, of course, and then, of course, there's visually a power line. Bowley aka Edig also uh noted in his video about exploring what is a goof is that in a way goofy and the goof species is pretty much a reclamation as an african-american reclamation of like a very like a slur of a race because there there was a period where individuals looked at goof as like the stereotypical like post-slavery depiction of an of a free african-american and uh i feel it was subconscious

reclamation just like we reclaim the n-word so that's why you have individuals who are all like, you know, every goof, pretty much every goof is black. And at the same time, once you see that reclamation and then once you apply it to how we as African-Americans see ourselves, it's pretty much no brainer and uh this aspect was also explored surprisingly enough in the atlanta episode yes that uh that that did the mockumentary of the quote-unquote first black ceo that made the goofy movie and and that everybody immediately just saw my video about it be like yo did donald glover watch this video while he's writing this script i went back and watched that because i i i went back and watched that section of the episode to be like wow this is it's it does i i feel like someone watched it to misquote It's conceivable. Yes. Yes. But yeah, they also touched on, because that is actually one of the aspects about Goofy as a character,

and then that has translated onto the Goof race in the Disney-verse or whatever. As far as the reclamation, we've, I've, whereas I've seen us reclaim the N-word, like, consciously, it really does feel like claiming Max and the entire, like, world of Goof Troop as ours feels like a subconscious reclamation of it considering what the original like translation of of it was as far as like the menstruals like slacker or like the the lazy good for nothing that's usually like depicted with black folk after slavery and i it so it tracks it tracks and i didn't realize until after i until after both i saw Ed Boley's video about exploring that

and then seeing how that was used to, like, quote-unquote, explain the use of Goofy in a Goofy movie in the Atlanta episode. So it's just like, you know, everything tracks. Absolutely. I also saw from the YouTube channel Black Nerd Problems saying that this is the blackest Disney movie of all time, citing how Max is a black nerd, how he was judged and misunderstood by the principal based on his baggy clothes. He cites the casting of Tevin Campbell as Powerline and the performance at the end of the movie writer austin williams who wrote a piece in vice called the enduring legacy of disney's black millennial classic a goofy movie brings up

similar points he also brought up the fact that they're that bobby brown did record music for this and then they just made it b-sides on his next album and so there is like proof that tevin campbell was the correct choice because you can hear what bobby brown recorded and it just doesn't compare doesn't quite hit the same way um but yeah austin williams cited the white boy bobby that's the polysher cheese whiz kid um getting in just as much trouble as Max, but somehow feeling way less worried about his parents finding out. The part where the principal calls Goofy

and says that, you know, this teenage boy sent his classmates into a, quote, riotous frenzy, dressed as a gang member, and advising Goofy to get a handle on the way he raises his son. And then Austin also says that anyone who claims Max Goof wasn't an early depiction of hashtag black boy joy is either a liar or a white person. I thought that was funny. Why not both? Do you have anything else you would like to add to this discussion, Leron?

Goofy Movie is a classic, and it definitely holds up even now. It's still one of my favorite go-tos, whereas I'm happy that we received an extremely goofy movie and we see a continuation i'm not going to just say that because it's focusing on a completely different that it doesn't hit the same because it depends on your background and everything like that like there was definitely an era of my life in which all that was on my television was like MTV and Netflix Network when I first left home for the first time because I wanted to explore a lot of things that, you know, I couldn't necessarily explore under the roof of my parents.

But at the same time, I always end up going back to the original movie and just being comforted by just like how many aspects about my life are properly displayed in the film. And I know a lot of other people do as well. Amazing. And that's a beautiful thing. And now we all start doing the dance. Yeah, pretty much. Also, good on Powerline for allowing two random strangers on his stage and not having security immediately tackle them?

He really dealt with that so smoothly. He was like, all right, let's see what they have to say. I was like, wow, what a nice guy. Truly so accommodating to Max and Goofy. Goofy did kill that mime, though. We can't forget that. He did kill... You can get away with a lot in New Orleans.

It's fine. Leron, tell us where our listeners can check out your stuff, follow you online, anything along those lines. Well, I mostly am active on YouTube. I have my YouTube channel,

youtube.com slash readus101. That's R-E-A-D-U-S, the number one, the number zero, the number one, where I deal with film and TV analysis surrounding queerness, blackness, social justice.

I also just launched a new YouTube channel called Readus 201, where I talk about movie critiques and everything like that where i talk about movie trilogy these uh critique on full fledged reviews on movies and television shows and everything like that um i do written editorials through my sub stack which you can find uh read this 101 but everything uh pretty much you can find, uh, read this one on one, but everything, uh, pretty much you can find me on Twitter. Mostly. That's where all my links to everything is.

And that's R E A D U S underscore the number one, the number zero, the number one, because somebody took read us one on one straight up and hasn't done anything with it. And I've been trying to get that handled ever since. My God, there's like,

yes, absolutely disgusting behavior around thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it thanks so much for having me this was really fun okay and that's uh that's the episode although we have not yet given our nipple ratings you and me we got we just got so damn excited and um caitlin uh now that we've we've had some time to really cook on this yeah what do you what are you what are you giving a goofy movie 1995 i'm gonna give it two nipples because the movie while it does have a more positive representation of father-son relationships which famously all movies are about but this movie as we discussed has i think a more nuanced and compelling version of this relationship dynamic which i appreciate it does really fail to include women in any meaningful way except for a love interest who is mostly off screen and who max

goof lies to lies to throughout the entire story it's okay yeah poor roxanne justice for roxanne oh maybe she's in the sequel oh wait she's not oh wait she's written out of history but as we discussed with lauren this movie having such a huge legacy among black millennials and yeah like that's something that i also appreciate so i don't know maybe i'll bump it up to a two and a half I'm gonna go two and a half okay I'll do two and a half and I'll give them two I'll give one to Roxanne yeah I will give one to the woman in the car who is like coded as crazy cat lady yes on the open road montage she's a legend she is all she's it's like the um ariana debose lady in the car you are all of us she is yes so i'll give one nipple to her and i'll give my half nipple to the nice relationship dynamic between Max and Goofy because yes again it's it's

a better version of that than we generally see yeah so there you go that's who gets my nipples I'm going two and a half as well I think this movie um as we've discussed with both guests have has a really unique legacy um and I don't want to, you know, discount that or downplay that. And also I am glad that, you know, over time there are now, you know,

there, there's, uh, more, there's just more in general, I think for 1995, more and better. Exactly.

Um, there's better movies than a goofy movie. Be serious. Um, but yeah, I mean, in terms of representation i think it's like a really fascinating kind of flash point that so many

black millennials saw themselves in this movie and i also am glad that um you know like young black viewers now have a lot more um they still they still should have more on top of more but it's like more more more it It's a technical term called more, more. In terms of, we are geniuses. In terms of how this, you know,

we've talked about it. There's Roxanne is a likable character and I still really liked that scene where she and Max are trying to flirt and they're just like awkward kids, but that's kind of the most you get out of her. You don't get anything outside of that. And then she's disappeared in future installments, which is a big old bummer. Yeah.

I'm going to give it two and a half. Interesting legacy. A romp and a half. Sure. This is actually a movie about fathers and sons that I'm like, you know what? We can keep it. Fine.

We can put it. Fine. Fine. Fine. And. Fine. And with that, I think that's our A Goofy Movie Saga. This episode, we've been recording in segments over the course of over a month now. Months. In multiple states, I think.

So here it is. A Goofy Movie Saga has come to a close. And I feel good about it. Until. Until. An extremely goofy movie the episode oh my god that move that one is going to be so we should do that on the matriarch or something because that whole movie is like a weirdly like long promotion for the fact that Disney at the time had just it's so weird huh anyways till then uh uh yuck well uh just once again thank you to our guests

danny and lauren yes thank you to the folks who came out to the live show so much fun and if you were like wait a minute you sang karaoke on stage a minute, you did all this like fun trivia games and stuff? Yeah, that's the kind of stuff you'll see at a live show. So if you're ever thinking, should I go to a Bechtelcast live show? They're coming to my city. The answer is yes. Because even though you'll hear the episode later, the energy, the activities, everything that happens stage the meat you just gotta see it the merch there's what isn't there this show has everything truly i mean like every time uh i mean we love doing this show and i think especially when we get to go on the road and actually meet people who listen to the show it's like the best experience in the entire world so wonderful we hope that if you come you've enjoyed as well and we hear you that we never come to the middle of the country we are going to we have plans to just just please bear with us we just we get so tired um and we'll be there we'll be there soon we'll be we'll be there Yeah, when we get off our fainting couch or whatever it is we're doing.

We love you so much. And have a good night? Day? Morning? I don't know. Bye. Bye. Daphne Caruana Galizia

was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was assassinated. Crooks Everywhere unearths the plot to murder a one-woman WikiLeaks. She exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state.

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Yeah, you can find us wherever you listen to your podcasts or on the iHeart Radio app. In California during the summer of 1975, within the span of 17 days and less than 90 miles, two women did something no other woman had done before, try to assassinate the President of the United States. One was the protege of Charles Manson. 26-year-old Lynette Fromm, nickname Squeaky. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore.

The story of one strange and violent summer, this season on the new podcast, Rip Current. Hear episodes of Rip Current early and completely ad-free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iHeart True Crime Plus only on Apple Podcasts.