The Bechdel Cast - Eight Crazy Nights with Alex Danton-Klein

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

 This week, Caitlin, Jamie, and special guest Alex Danton-Klein spend one wild episode discussing Eight Crazy Nights. Follow Alex at @zinniasocialistsupplyco on Instagram!   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's up, y'all? So, on a recent episode of Quest Love Supreme, my co-hosts, I'm-a-Bill and Sugar Steve and I sat down with the king at rock of the Beastie Boys. We talked about the early days of the Beasties, thinking for records around the globe, and now he makes music these days in a cabin in the mountains. Oh, and this jewel. I was trying to start a band in the 90s called the Nasal Tongues. Me and Q-Tip and MC Milk and Be Real.

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We're gonna have fun little chats with our past guests and just have a big celebration of the show. In San Francisco, the show is on January 23rd. It is a part of SketchFest and it is a part of SketchFest and it is a part of our Shrektanic tour in which we are discussing Titanic, ever heard of it. And yes, we have outfits.

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Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Bechdel cast, the questions asked, if movies have women in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effin' vast. Start changing it with a Bechdel cast. How is it? It's like, hi, I'm Jamie. Hi, I'm Jamie.

And then like, hi, I'm Jamie. Like, how do you, there's so many scenes that are like three different Adam Sandler voices. And they're all annoying. They're,, well yes. Comes with the territory. Yes, indeed. And meanwhile, bringing New Hampshire into,

like leave New England out of this. Leave New England, I have so many thoughts. I leave New England out of this. I was mad. They called it Duxbury. I think that they were, Alex, let me know what you think. Sorry, we're just gonna, the episode has started. They're like like I thought

they were like making a weird reference to Toxbury, which is not in New Hampshire. My dad used to work at a mental hospital in Toxbury. So I was like, you leave Toxbury out of it. I don't know. I actually spent a long time googling what potential town this could be in New Hampshire because it I was like so I obviously we're skipping it we'll jump back to the introductions later. I am a Jewish person I grew up in New York City which obviously has a very large portion of Jews are there like many many people are Jewish there and if you're not Jewish you obviously know many Jews so it's just like infused in the culture of New York. I'm fourth or

fifth fourth generation Brooklynite, so hardcore like Brooklyn Jewish history here. And then I moved to New England around 2008. So I have the Jewish experience in New York and then also this like cultural whiplash of being in New England and being Jewish in New England, which is really different than being Jewish in New York. So the whole time watching this movie, I spent a lot of time Googling like, but what town could this be though? Like there aren't enough Jewish,

like what town in New Hampshire? Like I have a whole list of notes. It's just not true. Like. Like. I thought it was such a weird place to set it. Yeah. I mean, and they made it sound like there's a very small Jewish population in this town,

but I'm like, why are we setting it there? Because then Hanukkah doesn't really happen. Like it's just confusing. It's confusing. And that is the whole movie we're talking about today, which is Eight Crazy Nights. Hello and welcome to the Bechtel cast. It's us.

Here we are. And the voice you heard is that of our guest. She is a Jewish leftist fiber artist. She works in fundraising and is the tech director of a middle school theater program. It's Alex Danton-Kline. Hello and welcome. Hi, I'm so glad to be here.

Tell us more about your fiber artistry to start and then we'll get back into dumping on the crazy nights. Yeah, and also just like, if you don't know what the Bechdel test is or what the show is, just look it up. It's fine. We've been on for eight years. Like do your homework.

Yeah. I'm very happy to be here. I do a lot of embroidery and textile art. And like I said, I'm in New England. I sell in New England markets. You can find me on Instagram at Zinnia Socialist Supply Co. On Instagram, also, in addition to making leftist art and make an embarrassing amount of musical theater themed stickers and postcards and so

on. So if you need something that is a very, very specific reference to just one line in Rent, I'm your girl. Love that, love that. We still haven't, we actually still have not covered Chris Columbus's Rent 2005. If you'd like to return as someone with a, I still, like, I, because I didn't see the show before, I'm like, that movie's good.

And then you watch it, you're like, no, it's not. But even as I'm watching it, I'm like, it's perfect. It's great. No, I have the deepest amount of love and hate for that movie. Like it's like, they're both there in my soul and I would be happy to talk more about it. And you know that we have a whole group of friends

in a little chat that would be delighted to join in as well. Talk about it. It would be so thrilling to, I remember that I, for listener context, Alex is a dear friend of mine. And the night before I moved to LA, so like almost 10 years ago, Jake was driving me from,

I forgot something, I like lost something. Jake being her husband. Her husband. And you'll refer to him as nothing else But Jake and I were driving somewhere and we were listening to the rent movie soundtrack Like just screaming and reaching the conclusion that maybe this is not And it was just the best Wait, is Jake not who you saw I, Frankenstein with?

Yes, Jake actually has deep Bechdelkass lore. Like Jake and I saw I, Frankenstein, I would say easily three times. And this was before the AMC Stubbs days. So we were paying 20 bucks a pop. We were really heavily investing in the I, Frankenstein lore universe, always have, always will.

Same with the Master of Disguise. Yeah, not to keep bringing like, men into the Bechdel cast, cause, but sorry. We're talking about Jake, we're talking about Frankenstein. But we're gonna be talking about Grant too, because Jamie and Jake forced me and Grant

to watch I Frankenstein, like all of us very late at night one night, pretty recently actually, like within the past six months or so. And we had to sit down and watch it. It was actually pretty violent because yeah, it was already like one in the morning. We were like, we have to start watching I, Frankenstein and pause and rewind the part where he's swinging nunchucks at nobody on the top of a mountain, which is still my favorite part. I am a demon prince. And Jamie bought our baby a demon prince

onesie. So the lore is going to continue to the next generation. Caitlin, I forgot to tell you, I did order a custom iFrankenstein baby onesie Frankenstein baby onesie for baby Klein. Wow, that's amazing. So okay, sorry. Your fiber. Slash, tell us about your relationship with the movie eight crazy nights. Okay, so Jamie texted me and said, Would you like to come on Bechdel cast and talk a little bit about this movie? And I

said, Oh, yeah, I think I've seen it before. And then it horrifically played before my eyes in slow motion as I was re-experiencing this event. So let me take you back to like 2005 or six, and I'm in college, and it is an unnamed liberal arts college wherein it is the perfect blending of both the era and then the type of college I went to where everybody was really into ironic racism, which as we all know is just racism, but white people get to be like,

haha, it was funny when I said it. And that's it. What a time. It was really lovely. And I was one of the smattering of Jewish people on campus. And I can't remember it was my roommate or someone who like lived in my dorm or near us. But at the time they were like, you have to watch this movie. It's really funny. And I'll say similarly to the iFrankenstein watch, it was inflicted upon me. But unlike iFrankenstein, I didn't laugh at all. And I remember just sitting there letting them watch me watch this movie. And it was like the weirdest experience of just like a group of non Jews of Goi's just like sitting there watching me experience a movie that they thought

was like the epitome of Jewish culture. It's just like, why? Why? Why is this a part of my life? Yeah. Unfair. Unfair. I am curious because this is the second, I believe, Hanukkah movie we have covered on the show. Both movies, as Caitlin and I both have in our notes, ultimately end up being more about youth basketball than Hanukkah. So I'm curious, is there, do you have a favorite,

and it doesn't have to be a movie, but do you have a favorite piece of Hanukkah media? Yeah, I mean, I think before we talk about that, I will just say, because it would be weird for my, I feel like my grandmother would be really mad if I didn't say this. Like Hanukkah is only, it's not, it's not one of the major Jewish holidays,

which often surprises people who aren't Jewish. Like there are many other holidays that actually are of greater significance. And so Hanukkah is just, it's in the winter time, it has this weird sort of competitive thing with Christmas sort of. Which is why people like place so much emphasis on it because it's actually just like, well, it's Christmas time,

but we'll acknowledge other holidays that are happening around this time too. But ultimately it's just very Christmas centric. Right. Yeah, I feel like a lot of Hanukkah material relates like exists only in relationship to Christmas. It doesn't have its own thing, which is just sort of, obviously we live in a

fairly Christian society, even if we're not legally yet, just pure Christian society, even if we're not legally yet, a just pure Christian society. We're not quite a Christo-fascist regime yet. But it's kind of fun. Yeah, just take note of when this is released, because by the time you listen to it, we may be. So all that said, knowing that Hanukkah isn't like a major holiday, I think there are other Jewish movies that are awesome and amazing and are about Jewish culture and are really fun and exciting. Crossing Delancey is a delight, it's a rom-com and this woman

gets set up by like a matchmaker with a man who sells pickles at a deli and it's very very cute and it's a woman director too. I think that one's lovely, not a Hanukkah movie but a very lovely Jewish movie. I honestly have a really problematic as hell, but I have a really large soft spot in my heart for the Hanukkah. Oh my God, sorry, pregnancy brain. The big Hanukkah, the Jew-sploitation type Hanukkah movie that came out with Adam. Is it the Hebrew Hammer? Yeah, yeah. My dad and I watch that all the time. We love it! It's problematic as hell.

It is supposed to be like a blaxploitation movie, but with Jews, and it's sexist. I mean, it's got terrible problems with it, but I find it very funny. And the idea is that he has to save Hanukkah, again, from some evil kind of Christian fascist type played by Andy Dick. So yeah. I was like, yeah, this, this, this cast, so Adam Goldberg, Judy Greer, Andy Dick, Mario Van Peebles, Peter Coyote, I mean of ET fame. No, no, of the Hebrew hammer fame. Sorry, sorry.

So yeah, that's a fun one. I'm not saying it's good. I want to stress it's not good. It is fun. Yeah. Yeah. What was the name of the decom that we covered a couple of years ago, Jamie, that's also about youth basketball. It was called full court miracle. Right. We had Fay Orlov on for that. And I think at the time we discussed, I mean, I am not Jewish and I grew up with such limited exposure to Jewish culture, because as we've alluded to, I did not grow up in a community

where there were a lot of Jewish people. And so I think my main understanding of this holiday specifically would have been an episode of Rugrats. And honestly, that one pretty accurate, I would say. I've heard that I was like, all right. Yeah, that gives you a good working knowledge of the basics of the holiday. What's weird is there's iconography in the movie vaguely that relate to Hanukkah, but

you never see him, I don't think, lighting a menorah or doing like none of the characters are doing Hanukkah, right? Unless I'm misremembering. No, I also was a little bit confused at like, at the beginning, I'm like, maybe honestly, I found it very hard to focus on this movie, and I refuse to watch it twice. So there may be it's only 86 minutes long, not even it's like 76 minutes long. It definitely has like Master of Disguise Syndrome where it's so short, but it feels unbelievably long. Grueling. Yeah.

But I think at the beginning, Whitey, AKA also Adam Sandler, says that he is not Jewish, but then by the end, they invite everyone over for Hanukkah. And I was like, wait, didn't this start with this character stating he doesn't celebrate Hanukkah? Right, and then also, but is his sister not extremely Jewish coded? Yes.

In an offensive and stereotypical way? Yes. But they're not a Jewish family, so you really just wonder what's happening there. So why did they go so far out of their way to be like, these siblings are not Jewish, but then by the end they are. It was like, I don't know, this movie's a mess.

It's a mess. Yeah, and I'll say, I even, at one point, when they showed the exterior of Whitey and his sister's house, I paused it because you can see, I think, that there are Christmas and Hanukkah decorations just to add extra confusion. So like, they have a large amount of Christmas decorations and also some Hanukkah decorations too. Like I saw some blue and white in there. Ultimately, this family is considering celebrating Hanukkah, and it's unclear why.

They just appreciate all cultures, question mark. Yeah, they're, I mean, unproblematic sibling duo. So wait, Jamie, what's your history, if any, with this movie? I hadn't seen it. Although I've heard it referenced so many times, I've heard, I don't know, I wouldn't have seen this, I was too young to see this when it came out,

but I do remember later like, later on, just like boys doing impressions of the whitey character. I do have, like, probably around the same, like, Borat impression era, just like a really difficult time to be in middle school. But I mean, I guess that there's just, there's always gonna be an annoying offensive character, and middle school boys are going to do

an impression of it ad nauseum. So I knew about Whitey weirdly and that is all I knew about this movie. I'd never seen it before. What about you, Caitlin? I did see it for the first time only like probably two or three years ago. I don't know what compelled me exactly to like it's time take it upon myself to watch it. But I was just like you shot up in the middle of the night. I must do this. I, I mean, we've been talking about potentially covering this movie on the podcast for

years because around this time, we almost always do like a very Christian centric Christmas movie slate of movies. And we were like, let's diversify the slate of movies. So because this is one of the few mainstream, you know, Hollywood movies that centers Hanukkah or that at least has Hanukkah as a backdrop, because this movie is kind of not about Hanukkah at all, that I was like, Oh, I should watch this. I've heard about it. And at the time,

because we were well into doing the Bechdel cast I was like oh this is one of the most problematic movies I've ever seen it's not funny at all not a single joke lands and I know that comedy is subjective but this movie is I would say objectively not even remotely funny. So I was like, gross, but it'll make for a good conversation when we inevitably cover it. And here we are doing just that. And I can't wait to really just do us a slam dunk

to use some basketball terminology to dunk on the movie. Wow, incredible. And also the animation sucks, sorry. Like not to, like, are you saying? The, the, the like, sync between the mouth and the vocal performances is never synced. And then there is something, I kind of like, I was bothered by it at first,

but then I kind of grew to like it over time. Anytime there's a group, like a wide shot of everyone singing, no one's mouth is moving. I think they like, we're not able to like afford to make everyone sing, but it's just like you hear, especially like that big number towards the end and they pull out and it's like the whole community center singing and dancing. Everyone's mouth is totally shut. Like, like it's's I found it scary at first and then they do it again in the end and scene at the mall still couldn't

afford to open the mouths why make it a group scene if that is you know it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's a perfect movie no I think that I do at some point want to talk with the music from it because some of us talking are very musical theater kids at our hearts and the music is so bad. I just hurt my... I was like, this isn't how music... I understand they're supposed to be funny and the songs are funny. I did not get that part, but it just...

To me, I was like, but this is it, like when you think about an animated movie that has music or a musical or something else that where people sing, it like none of the, there weren't reasons for them to sing. He was just like, I guess the musical number will go here. And then another one will go here. And like, they just don't function well as musical numbers. And that was honestly very stressful for me to watch. Technical, I think it was the song technical foul that broke me. Oh my god.

Where, and it was stuck in my head. That's why I had to go see wicked immediately after because I was like, I can't go to sleep with that's a technical foul like stuck in my head. That song was, I mean, none of the songs are really necessary, but that one just comes out of nowhere. It's so long and has nothing to do with anything. The best song in the movie is a decade old song they use in the credits, the Hanukkah song, which is also clearly why the movie exists because the line, eight crazy nights appears in the song and it's a classic. It's super funny.

Like Adam Sandler does is not, he's not one of my guys, but I get why people like him. When I listen to the Hanukkah song, I don't get why people like him when I watch Eight Crazy Nights. Do you know that the big joke among, at least among my friends and family about the Hanukkah song is just like, our whole family would just go,

I mean, Adam, what are you doing? Why are you just giving people a list of Jews? Nobody needs that. That's secret. Like, don't make a list of us. It's not safe. And yeah, I would have actually kind of enjoyed a movie if it featured Eight Crazy Nights, or like if, sorry, if the Hanukkah song had been like a part of the story in some way. Why not just do that? Yeah. Why not just do that?

That would have been really... Yeah. Why not just do that? I would have had fun with that, you know? That would have been a really enjoyable movie. Maybe, maybe. Well, let's take a quick break and then we will come back and do the recap of this 76 minute long feature film.

Be right back. What's up, y'all? minute long feature film. Be right back. What's up, y'all? So in a recent episode of Quest Love Supreme, my co-hosts, I'm P Bill and Sugar Steve and I sat down with the king at rock of the Beastie Boys. We talked about the early days of the Beasties, thinking for records around the globe and how he makes music these days in a cabin in the mountains. Oh, and this jewel. I was trying to start a band in the 90s called the Nasal Tongues. Me and Q-Tip and MC Milk and Be Real. Listen to Questlove Supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Attention Bechdelcast listeners, a-wooga! It's a tour announcement. Yes indeed we are going back on

tour doing three different shows in three different cities Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Portland, Oregon. But if you cannot make it in person we are live streaming both the Los Angeles and Portland shows. Here's the deal. Here is the deal. In Los Angeles, our show is on January 19th. It is a Bechtelcast celebration where we're going to have past guests do stand up and solo acts. Jamie and myself are going to do stand up.

We're going to have fun little chats with our past guests and just have a big celebration of the show in San Francisco. The show is on January 23rd. It is a part of SketchFest and it is a part of our Shrektanic tour in which we are discussing Titanic. Ever heard of it? And yes, we have outfits.

This is the only show that will not be live streamed. So if you wanna see the Titanic show, Titanic ever heard of it? And yes, we have outfits. This is the only show that will not be live streamed. So if you wanna see the Titanic show, you gotta be there in San Francisco. Indeed, and then finally, we have a show in Portland on January 26th, that is at Curious Comedy Theater, and it is also a Shrek-tanic show, this time about Shrek. And it is also being live streamed.

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where every week we explore the secrets that are kept from us, the secrets we keep from others, and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Listen to season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're back. Yes, this does have another feature of a movie that just couldn't make it to feature length, which is that it also has an incredibly long credit sequence. So it looks like it's 80 minutes long, but it is not. It just, they play the Hanukkah song all the way through, but it's like a new improvised version. So it's like six minutes long. As soon as you get the title card where it's like directed by blah, blah, blah. I turned

it off. I couldn't listen to another second. So I missed that the whole credit song, unfortunately, but Oh no. So I missed that the whole credit song unfortunately, but um, oh no Okay, so here's the recap we open on voiceover narration from Rob Schneider and If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know right at the top. I Also the narrator I know that they're trying to like do like a holiday movie pastiche there, but also anytime the narrator talks, it just makes it sound like the movie is insecure that you don't understand what's happening. For sure.

We're like, I know I got it. I know he's walking around. And then cut to Rob Schneider doing an offensive accent. Yes. First spoken line of dialogue is Rob Schneider doing an offensive accent. Yes. First spoken line of dialogue is Rob Schneider. This movie is so firmly rooted in 2002. Like in particular with the racism, the offensiveness, the weight jokes, the joke, we'll get to all of that.

But like when the movie opens with Rob Schneider doing something offensive, you're like, it's really 2002 in here. It stinks in here. It's wild that this is like, this is also, this is the same year as my favorite Adam Sandler performance in Punch, Drunk, Love. Oh yeah.

And then he just had to end the year like this. No accounting for it. You know, he has range from something that's pretty good to something that's really fucking terrible. From good to horrible. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the voiceover is explaining that Christmas is right around the corner and that tonight is the first night of Hanukkah. Although some people aren't excited about the holidays, including a man named Davey Stone. This is the a man named Davey Stone. This is the main Adam Sandler character who is designed to look like Adam Sandler. Yes, very much. I will be calling him Adam Sandler. I can't be bothered

to call him Davey Stone. So he is a down on his luck guy. He's at a Chinese restaurant getting drunk. He leaves without paying, so the cops start chasing him, but not before he drunkenly makes out with his car for some reason. That is a note on my many list of things I don't like about the movie. I just said, do not like him making out with his car at all. Not a good joke. That was just my comment. Not good. Bad. Well, you're correct. It is not good. And it doesn't even crack the top 50 percentile of bad, which is wild.

So then he starts snowboarding around town on the lid of a trash can or something. He's singing a song. Oh my God. And the songs are even the song's titles are lazy. Davey's song is the first song and he's like, I don't like Hanukkah or Christmas. I don't like this time of year. And you're like, Oh, all right. This stinks. I don't like it. That's the whole song. The chorus is I hate love. I hate you I hate me and you're like cool go to therapy sir

There's I mean it's like there that is a reasonable starting point. I mean, he's like he's scrooging around Okay, but what but what is this gonna build to and the answer is not very much I do want to know in the opening bits and this is something that I noticed when I moved to New England, is that they had the Ice Santa and the Ice Menorah side by side, and they're of equal height and of equal importance in this town that supposedly has a lot of Jewish people. The percentage of the Jewish population in New Hampshire is around 0.8%. So I don't think I googled it after living because I was annoyed. Yeah, it's

small. And I think there's like a few towns that have like concentrations, but it's not like there's a huge, you know, so it doesn't make sense to Jamie's point earlier to have it set in New Hampshire. But also, my point is, living in New England, it's very rare to see Hanukkah be treated with the same level of decorative importance as Christmas. And I just, like straight from the beginning, I was like, well, that doesn't feel right to me. Like the last, like, like I, my husband and I went to a mall and the whole, you walk into the mall, the whole entryway is all Christmas stuff. And then we walked like down the side to the area and the whole, you walk into the mall and the whole entryway is all Christmas stuff. And then we walked like down the side to the area

that had actually, there was like, they were renovating it and it was ripped off with caution tape. And there was like one small menorah off the side over there. Like that's kind of how we expect Hanukkah to be treated in places where there are not a lot of Jews, right? It's not the main focus. So it just felt so not accurate.

Like right from the beginning, I'm like, Adam, buddy, like what, what are you doing? This isn't how, this is not an authentic, to me anyway, based on my experience, how I experienced Hanukkah in New England or outside of major metropolis. I was very confused at the choice to set it in New England if they were not going to make it a point that like Christmas is so dominant in New England

and like have that be sort of like a plot point or something that's referenced in more than a couple of passing jokes, but it just feels like an excuse for the movie to not actually be about Hanukkah. It's really bizarre. I was like, what is this movie about? Is Adam Sandler, is he from New England? Is that, I'm kind of guessing that's-

No, he's from New York. Okay, I just assumed he was like, let's just set it up in New England for the hell of it. Oh, I guess he moved to Manchester when he was a kid. Okay. Okay, so he did go to high school in New Hampshire. I guess that explains New Hampshire at least. Right, yeah.

But the like vibe seems very off as you said, Alex. In any case, he's snowboarding around, he's singing about how he hates everybody, and he's just being cruel and awful to everyone he encounters. And like you said, Jamie, like, sure, if he's like a Grinch type, fine place for a character to start assuming he'll have an arc.

But they like went way too far in that direction of just being so horrible that he is like irredeemable, I think. I couldn't find myself rooting for him. No, no. In any way. I felt that especially the second we meet Jennifer, I'm like, I can't believe she has to end up with this guy. This is so unfair to her. I know.

Like, I know this is the only woman, and also, I mean, we'll get to it, but just the animation style, we talked about this a lot in animated movies in general, but just how like the tropes in how women are animated, and then the love interest just looks like a hot lady. You're just like, and then any woman who the Adam Sandler character doesn't wanna have sex with

is designed so wildly differently. So like offense of the lady with three boobs. I'm like, what are we? Why that? What is that? And she comes out of nowhere and acts, and I was like, wait, we haven't met this character before. She shows up so late in the movie.

She's like, here's me. I was like, what is this? She is established early on, but for what reason? It's so annoying. Anyway, so he's being awful to everyone, and then he gets arrested and goes before a judge who is about to give him a harsh sentence. Cause he has a history of like, just being awful and disruptive in the community.

But then a man named Whitey Duvall, who is also voiced by Adam Sandler. Is this a Whitey Bolger joke? Like what, what? I don't know. If so, it Doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense He interjects and suggests that Davey do community service in the form of helping whitey Referee youth basketball games. That's because that's gonna set him straight That that's a that's a hefty dose of white privilege right at the top.

Oh yeah. Where it's like, oh, you've been sentenced to not even community service. You've been sentenced to a part-time job. Right. Like he got a job out of almost getting a DUI. Yes. And then Davey reluctantly agrees to

this after saying a whole string of very ableist things to Whitey. But he's like, fine, I'll do it. Because otherwise, he's going to be sentenced to like 10 years in prison. So he's like, I guess I'll referee youth basketball instead. 10 years in prison or we'll give you a job. I'm like, uh huh. Uh huh. Okay, okay-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh, OK, OK. Just a system, makes sense.

And meanwhile, there's a subplot where Whitey is hoping to win the All-Star Patch at the Youth League basketball banquet that's coming up. I will say, I was a little invested in the patch. I wanted him to get the patch. That makes one of us, because I didn't give a shit. I was rooting for him. I think that like Jamie was saying, there's a movie that

appears to like, middle school boys and then they do the voice and like the whitey voice just made me like, physically tense up because I was like, Oh, it's every boy from my middle school. Like, it just like as you just that it just brought it all back and I just couldn't support Whitey because of that. I totally understand. I don't know. He's the only character that I mean, he's just so abused when he's put in the shit statue. He is a sympathetic character.

Because you feel sorry for him. You feel pity for it. We'll talk all about it, but like. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna, I'm not like, why don't you guys like, why? I understand, I understand. I just wanted him to get the patch. I mean, he gets spoiler alert.

He gets like 45 of them. Okay, so it's the first basketball game that Davey is meant to be refereeing, but he's not really doing his job. He then makes another string of extremely fat phobic remarks to one of the players on one of the teams, and the game ends. And Whitey is upset about the way Davey is treating people.

So he takes Davey to the mall. Maybe that's why I like Whitey is upset about the way Davey is treating people. So he takes Davey to the mall. Maybe that's why I like Whitey. I like going to the mall. Because he's constantly going to the Dunkin' Donuts in the mall. Yeah, I'm doing that too. I'm hitting up the dunks at the Glendale Galleria. I'm a known entity there.

So maybe that's why I connect with him. I don't know. I understand, yeah. That's a technical foul. It's stuck in my head again. I hate it so much. Oh. Anyway, so Whitey is teaching Davey a lesson

at the mall, of course. And he's telling Davey he needs to be more respectful. And there, a woman named Jennifer Friedman, who is voiced by Jackie Sandler, aka Adam Sandler's his wife, although I don't think they were married at the time. I don't know if this is how they met or what, but this is pre their marriage, I believe. Interesting. Yes, I did not realize that.

True. That is baffling that you could fall in love during the production of this movie. Yeah. Yeah, they got married the next year, so I feel like it's kind of safe to say that eight crazy nights, I mean, something good came out of it. So there you go.

Brought them together. Good for them. Anyway, so Jennifer and her son, Benjamin, are there at the mall because I believe she works at Dunkin' Donuts canonically. I looked into it because I, Caitlin, as you know, I love keeping track of product placement. There is so much of this.

What I learned though is that they got permission for none of it. None of it. None of it. So there's not even a reason for it. Because at first when Whitey was showing Adam Sandler every store at the mall for some reason, I was like, oh, this must have been how they funded the movie with this product placement. It turns out they were just doing that for no reason at all. Sharper Image, Body Shop, GNC, Tyrax, Spencer's,

Sbarro, Dunk's, Sea's Candy, Panda Express, Victoria's Secret, Italian Eatery, Hot Dog on a Stick, and 7-Eleven. They got no money to do that. They just, they were just like, here's this. Do you like this? It's just for the love of them all. Yeah, they just had to do it because they love malls. I mean, I like, how did you feel?

How did you feel about the Dunks situation? Because I know your feelings on dunks, but like. Representation matters. Like it's, I liked that there was a dunks in New Hampshire. That makes sense to me. And I like Jennifer all one thing I know about her. I'm rooting for Jennifer to somehow bust through the fourth wall

and be in a different movie. But I like a gal who works at Dunkin' Donuts, yeah. Hell yeah. Working class hero. Exactly, exact single mother. But then she ends, honestly, she ends this movie worse off than when she started. Because now she has like a second son.

Not even a boyfriend. She's a single mother to a man child. 10 year old and a 33 year old. It's just, it's unpleasant. Yeah. In any case, Jennifer and her son are there and they bring donuts to Whitey. This is something she does regularly.

And Davey is like, you know, noticing her and sexually harassing her and insulting her son. But then he realizes that he knows her because they went to school together and they used to be friends, but he's been an asshole for the past 20 years. And so he probably doesn't have a chance with her. Just kidding. Jennifer is Davie's love interest. I mean not that I mean I like there's never a point in the movie where I'm on Davie's side but it like made me extra angry that he didn't even recognize her. I was like she like of all of the like he didn't even remember who she was. His best friend from childhood, that's, it makes no sense.

They dated? They were tween boyfriend girlfriend? They had a little kiss in the flashback? You would recognize that person. It doesn't matter how different they look, you would recognize them. That's like- He's just too busy bullying her son. He loves bullying children.

I found that like so wildly off-putting, like on top of everything else. I was like, if I- if my like childhood sweetheart didn't recognize me, I would be like, fuck this guy. Like I- no. Also worth noting that Jennifer and her son are- seem to be the only other two Jewish characters besides Davey in the story because Benjamin is describing the Hanukkah gifts. He has received so far. So it's established that Jennifer is also Jewish so then Whitey takes Davey home But gets stuck in the snow outside Davey's house and Davey doesn't care or do anything to help. So Whitey's just like out there for hours until he gets unstuck with

the help of some plot deer that keep showing up. Oh, the deer are also played by Adam Sandler. Yes. Yeah. So when they go like... That's important. That's Adam Sand in there's boys another fun fact from scholarly journal Wikipedia is That in the test screenings of of this Whitey's voice was originally even more high-pitched and they brought it down and That Sandler was begged to remove some of the deer shitting jokes,

but he was like, that's a bridge too far. I will not. I'm keeping them. All of them, all of them, all 40 of them. I think that you honestly see deer shitting on screen more than you hear Jennifer speak. I think that's accurate. Anyways, this movie rocks.

So in Davy's house, he is drinking and also looking at a picture of his parents who are implied to have died. Then Whitey finally gets home and we meet his sister Eleanor who he lives with. Eleanor is also voiced by Adam Sandler and we'll talk more about Eleanor but then we get voiceover narration that says that Whitey tends to do odd jobs around town to make ends meet.

The next day we see him doing this type of work, which includes cleaning out some porta-potties. Davey is there puking in one of the porta-potties, and he comes out and then he shoves Whitey into one of the stalls and pushes it down a hill. So now sewage gets all over Whitey. And that's, I think we can all agree, that's a technical foul.

That's a technical foul. But that's also, that's comedy, baby. You know, that's just, that is hilarious jokes and we love it. And then Davey sprays him with a hose, which freezes because it's winter in New Hampshire. And then the deer help Whitey again by licking the shit ice off of him. because it's winter in New Hampshire, and then the deer help Whitey again

by licking the shit ice off of him. And we're just like, why is this movie like this? It's also implied that he gets like sort of a blow job with the deer. Oh my God. Sorry, that's referenced in a one-off joke. Where he's like, they licked my balls or whatever. This is a movie for 10 year old boys. That night Davey, Whitey,

and Benjamin, Jennifer's son, are at the basketball courts where a few adult men are playing pickup and Davey's like I could beat all you guys at basketball. Oh this pissed me off. This pissed me off when it's implied that he does nothing but drink beer and then he's shirtless and like ripped. I was like, this is ego gone wild. This character canonically, and this is not a judgment, but it just felt like Adam Sandler being like,

oh, my cartoon avatar has to be ripped. Like, yeah, it just, it felt like it was an email. Also, I formed a theory in this scene where I was like, oh, I wonder if the reason this is animated is because Adam Sandler wants to be portrayed as being way better at basketball than he normally is. But then I saw some clips of him playing basketball.

He seems all right, I guess. He could probably have done it live action. Yeah, I think he played those at those famous, oh my gosh, what am I thinking? Those famous Gary Shandling basketball games. He was a common attender. I know that he really likes basketball. I think that this is only animated

because he was trying to, which again, doesn't work, he was trying to visually parody old animated Christmas specials. But I don't know where the $34 million went here because the mouths don't even move. It's just, I don't know. Yeah.

And did it look to you like the old Christmas specials animated? No. Yeah, I didn't get that feel, like the animation style didn't feel like it was connected to a specific era and was like in conversation with that era, if you will. Right, it didn't feel like it was like referencing anything

in particular, which I guess I find somewhat explained by the fact that 10 animation studios ended up working on this, so I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but there's no cohesive, creative vision going on here. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Sausage Party, which also had a lot of animation stuff going on. Oh, they were breaking union,

they were crossing picket lines to do Sausage Party. It's awesome. Yeah. Worth it. Oh gosh, okay, so Davey is like, I can beat all you guys at basketball. So he plays two on two, first with Whitey, who gets immediately injured

and it's supposed to be a hilarious joke. Technical foul. It was a technical foul. Then Davey plays with Benjamin as his teammate and they win. We'll talk more about that in the discussion, but I'll just go breeze right past all the fat phobia inherent in this scene.

But Jennifer then comes by to pick Benjamin up and she sees Davey and her son playing together and she's like, hmm. But then she's also like, hmm. Yeah. Because she hates Davey, but also maybe she's starting to like him. I wouldn't want my kid around Davey to be perfectly honest.

He's a bad guy. And then anytime she's like, hey, get away from my kid, you're a bad guy. He's like, what do you mean by that? He spent the beginning of the movie bullying other children and then also bullied her child. Including your son, yeah. Right? It's very reasonable for her to be like, based on my past experiences with you,

I don't think that you'll treat my son well. You know, like that seems like a very normal, Jennifer, that's very normal. Right, she's gotta do what she's gotta do. And meanwhile, like Adam Saylor standing next to an unconscious old man and he's like, what is wrong with me? And it's like, dude.

Anyways. Then there's another song where Davy and Jennifer reminisce about their youth. There's like a whole flashback sequence. They used to be friends and like young lovers as tweens and but obviously everything has changed. Then Davy comes home to discover that the men that he had just beaten at basketball

are lighting his house on fire. So now his home is gone and Whitey offers Davey to let him stay with him and his sister Eleanor. Things get very dark in the back half of this movie. And this is like not the most, the most depressing thing is yet to come, which I was truly shocked by. Yeah, so then Davey comes to stay with them for a while and this is where we get the, it's a technical foul. Motivated by anything?

No, it's just like farting at the house. That's a technical foul. Like it's just, in my my mind technical foul is half the runtime of this movie it just felt like it would not stop it goes on so long yeah it's basically just whitey explaining the rules that davy has to follow because he's so disrespectful and it seems to actually kind of work because the next time we see Davey, he is behaving a little bit more respectfully. He seems to be like kinder and more sensitive.

And it's like, that's what worked on him, the song technical style. Right. It doesn't make sense. But then some time passes and I think it is now the eighth day of Hanukkah. And now you're realizing, oh, this movie is called Eight Crazy Nights. You have an expectation that it's going to be about eight crazy nights,

and yet most of it happens off screen, and none of the nights are actually crazy, quote unquote. And so- It's a couple of vaguely eventful days. But because this like, because the main character doesn't celebrate Hanukkah anymore for a reason we're about to learn,

and because it doesn't seem like anyone except Jennifer and Benjamin celebrate Hanukkah, and we never see them celebrate Hanukkah because we don't care about them. The fact that it's Hanukkah is very easy to forget because you only see Christmas decorations and no one is celebrating Hanukkah. So.

I saw, because I went deep down a rabbit hole reading like reviews from that time. And then I ended up on like a Reddit talking about this movie and somebody from many years ago wrote in that this was their favorite movie to watch during the Christmas season and it just really exemplified Christmas for them. Which I thought was just a really great point. Like it doesn't, it's not a Hanukkah movie.

I don't know what to say. It's not, there's no, Hanukkah is not present. It's not, it's not a character in the movie. It's not, it not a character in the movie. It's not it's just not there It's a whole movie about why this one character no longer celebrates Hanukkah due to brutal childhood trauma Which is a story but not really a Hanukkah story Okay, so we are now at the eighth day of Hanukkah Davey is hanging out with Whitey and Eleanor, and Whitey tells the story of how Davey learned

that his parents had been killed in a car accident when he was a kid, like 20 years prior. And this grief and traumatic loss is what has made Davey so horrible to everyone around him. I was not prepared for something that heavy that the movie is like, you know, the second you learn that his parents died in this horrible way, you're like, well, this movie isn't equipped to have this conversation remotely. Why even try? But yeah, I was like, wow, it's a dark turn at the very end. Yeah, I think they put it in. I mean, it felt to me very strongly, like they put it in there just to be like, and that, that excuses every single thing he's

ever done so far. Right? You're welcome. Right. That's the solution. And it's just, you know, I, I used to teach in a preschool and we used, I mean, we used to say a lot of like, that may explain the behavior, but it does not excuse it. And I feel like that phrase works really well here for Davey. Like that might give some explanation for why he acts like an asshole, but like ultimately it's on him to still be a good person in the world, right? Like you still participate. We live in a society, Davey, like come on, get it together. You can't just put people in port-au-potty and throw them off a cliff.

Like, we don't do that. It won't bring your parents back, Davey, to throw an old man off a cliff. Well, that's the lesson he learns by the end. I guess that's what he learns by the end. I shouldn't have thrown that old man off of a cliff. Okay, girlfriend, please, son, please. I learned my lesson.

Where's my reward? Where's my reward in the form of a human woman who I now get to claim as my property? Anyway, okay, the reminder of this story about the loss of his parents sets Davey off. He lashes out at Whitey and Eleanor and he storms off. He gets drunk again and then breaks into the mall because 90% of this movie either takes place at the mall

or at a youth basketball game. And he goes to the mall and he's there to try to talk to Jennifer at Dunkin' Donuts, but it's like very clearly after hours and no one is there and he just like breaks in and he's belligerently screaming into the void until all of the stores in the mall come to life? Really interesting. You know? And then they sing to Davey and they tell him to cry and to let it all out because he has never dealt with

his grief over the loss of his parents in a way that is like healthy or effective or anything like that. And he's reluctant to cry. Wouldn't it be amazing if that message came from a character we've met before? And not some weird like footlocker animated like hallucination or something. And like I know we could talk about this in the discussion too but like you can't even get away from the misogyny in the mall like it's Tyra Banks as an empty dress

which Victoria's Secret that still gets sexually harassed by a jar of vitamins or like protein powder. Oh from Jancy. Yeah, yeah. Tyra Banks as an empty dress that is still getting hit on really sums up the movies views on women And I love again that you were saying that he didn't it wasn't like he was sponsored by this movie He was just like what if corporate what if like the embodiment of corporations told me how to have feelings?

It's so that's how I learned about like I Told me how to have feelings. It's so Like I became all the more confused by this movie when it when I found out that he was like Sort of doing something like illegal by having done that because you're supposed to get the consent of But it's really weird. I don't know. But yeah, they're like we okay We've introduced 5,000 characters for some reason but at the emotional peak of the movie Let's have none of them there and it'll just be logos from the mall Okay, we've introduced 5,000 characters for some reason, but at the emotional peak of the movie, let's have none of them there, and it'll just be logos from the mall.

Yeah. Awesome. Good storytelling. Yeah. Anyway, so they're telling him to let it all out and to open up about his feelings, and he's reluctant to do so, but then he opens the Hanukkah card that his parents wrote for him and that he

received the night that they died and he finally cries and then some cops come into the mall because that he's broken in and he's like you know trespassing and they're about to arrest him but Davey escapes and he gets on a bus to New York City ever heard of it but then he has a change of heart and heads to the youth league basketball banquet the one where Whitey hopes to win the all-star patch you're like oh right that that plotline still rooting for him and he does this because Davey wants to apologize to Whitey for his behavior. And then we cut to the banquet.

Whitey does not win the patch. So he is devastated. It goes to sub guy. Voiced by John Lovitz, I think. Yeah. Sure. Um, so Whitey and Eleanor leave because Whitey is so upset that he didn't win. And then Davey comes into the banquet and the cops are right behind him and they arrest

Davey but before they take him away he makes this impassioned speech via song about how Whitey should have won the patch because he does so much for the community and no one appreciates him, but Whitey cares about people and Davey regrets being so cruel to him. And this is where I just like basically zoned out and I didn't write the rest of the recap because I was just like, my brain turned to mush.

But basically what I think what happens, so everyone goes back to the mall and. Yeah, but their mouths are, they're locked up. Okay, first it's just Whitey and Eleanor at the mall and Whitey is crying because everyone in town thinks he's a joke and I didn't vote for him for the patch. But then Davey and the whole rest of the town show up. And the mayor is like, here, Whitey, here's the patch after all. And then everyone who had previously

won the patch from the past 35 years also are like, Yeah, Whitey, here's my patch, because you're the best guy in town. And then there's like a moment where Davey and Jennifer like kind of reconnect and that's the end of the movie. Yay! Woo! So let's take another quick break and we'll come back to discuss. What's up y'all?

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Were they fighting? I feel like he's the one Sandler verse guy who's not popping up. True. That's all the thoughts I have on the movie. Everyone else, take it away. Take it away guys Yeah, take it away. As I guess the context for this movie, I couldn't find a whole lot on the development of it

but the title as we've referenced is taken from the line of the Hanukkah song that Adam Sandler wrote and performed and So that's they were like, hey, there's a line in the song that says eight crazy nights. What if that was a movie where most of the nights take place off screen and the ones we do see are pretty tame? I mean, they've built SNL spin-off movies on less.

So that's not even disqualifying necessarily. Right, but it just like is a bummer that one of the few American movies that centers a Jewish holiday is like also one of the worst movies ever made. And also not about the holiday that it's advertising that it's about. No. Right?

Yeah, Alex, what was it like for you to to revisit this this gem? Well, well, so again, I think I said to Caitlin before we started is really something to watch a purported comedy just in complete silence. Like, Jake and I were sitting there, we just sat there like the whole time. Like, I don't think either of us laughed at anything pertaining to the movie. I think during the corporate dance scene I might have just blacked out like I almost don't remember it at all because I was just like what is happening here? Yeah, utterly bizarre. I you know the message of Hanukkah is really it's you know about the every I don't want to speak

for every Jewish person, but I feel like there are a lot of different ways that you can interpret it and talk about it and none of them were present in this movie. I don't even think we ever saw Amunora being lit at all. I don't think so. And again, as you said, it wasn't eight crazy nights. It was eight mostly during the days and nothing to do with Hanukkah really and we're in New Hampshire. Yeah. Yeah. It just felt I mean, like I feel like because yeah, I was also had a hard time

finding a any sort of meaningful background on this. But given the number of like credited writers and credited animation companies, I feel like it's safe to say that maybe this was coherent at one point, being generous, but it definitely did not end that way. I don't know why, it seems like Adam Sandler was really, you know, like, no, we will not, like he had a lot of creative control to the point where he could be like,

you cannot take out the deer shitting scenes. So like, I don't know, I don't know what to make of this. It's like, it's so bad. And like you were saying earlier, Alex, like is just sort of like this charcuterie board of like offensive early 2000s jokes where we have not one, but two characters that are strictly there to be fat shamed. One child, one adult, incredible variety.

The callback with, we didn't, I don't think this came up in the recap because it has no bearing on the plot, but there's a child who's just like, Adam Sandler's fat shaming who is crying and I feel like that plays into bullying and also plays into tropes around fat people being really sensitive, I guess,

and overly emotional. And then they cut to a joke of, Adam Sandler was like, kid, you gotta get a bra. Just middle school bullying as a 33 year old character. And then when we go to Victoria's Secret, apparently against Victoria's Secret's will, not that that's a great company, but it's just so weird that he didn't ask.

But then we see that kid trying on, it's a very incoherent joke. Yeah, not only are the jokes incredibly problematic and reductive and punching down to marginalized people, they often don't make sense and are very bad. It doesn't make sense. And then it never comes back, which is not like, oh, I wish there was a third beat of that joke,

but like, it's still, you're like, why is any of it here? I don't know. Right, similarly, the adult who is relentlessly fat shamed is shown on screen, the brief moment that he's on screen, he's depicted as being like very uncoordinated and clueless. And then the losing players of the two-on-two game have to eat his jockstrap because that is like the worst punishment conceivable you have to eat a

fat person's undergarment like but it's also like you that should be true if anyone's undergarment that shouldn't be a punishment for anybody like body type should not be a factor in why you wouldn't want to do that they're like well if it, if it was a, if it was like a guy, I would eat a guy's jockstrap if it was, if his, if he had a different body type. Well, that's the joke. It's just like, it's especially gross because it belongs to a fat person. So it's just like nonsensical jokes like that. There's, as we referenced already, the anti-Asian racism in a character who works at a Chinese restaurant

who is voiced by Rob Schneider doing his. Definitely not the only time Rob Schneider's done this. We talked about this. I couldn't pull a second example out of my head, but I know he's done this before. We talked about this on, I think it was our 51st dates episode. There are like whole pieces written about the long list

of often anti-Asian racist jokes and characters that he does in movies. Like I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry as an example. He does it in 51st dates. So it's every movie. It's almost every movie he's in, honestly. So he's just doing another example of it in 8 Crazy Nights. And then there are a whole slew of Ape-less jokes that are directed toward Whitey and Eleanor.

I had a real problem with how they treated Eleanor in the movie. I mean, it just, it starts bad and then it gets so much worse. And then the thing with the, like, she, her hair is a wig and that's a big funny joke for a while that she loses her wig. And it just felt like everything they were doing to Whitey but made it worse cause she's a woman. You know what I mean?

Like they're like, it's already bad. And then we added in a lot of misogyny too. Because they seem to have, they're like fraternal twins. They seem to have been born with the same physical disability. And so there's a ton of ableist jokes made about them. But like you said, yeah, it's even the offensive jokes that are leveled at Eleanor are even more so because she is a woman and she's like voiced with this very like shrill annoying voice that Adam Sandler is doing

that's like very intentionally annoying. And apparently could have been worse, which is so wild. Yeah. And then for those two characters, the character design is way more cartoonish than every single other character. Every single other character you see at least resemble like human people.

But for these two characters, Whitey and Eleanor, they're very, very, very cartoonish looking. Like they don't resemble human beings the way that humans look. So it's just another way that the movie doesn't take them seriously, that the movie is disparaging toward these people. And then meanwhile, Davey, as we said, has chiseled pecs and abs. And it's like, give me a break. It doesn't make, yeah, that's,

I feel like that's an Adam Sandler email. Like, hold on, hold on. Make me honored. Wait, yeah, he's a loser, but he's gotta be sexy, cause he looks like me. Like, I don't know, I don't know. How much creative control should one person

be permitted to have? Do it or don't, man. This guy would not have chiseled abs. And the fact that that is sort of used to justify why he's treating other characters so fat phobic, well, because he's got, you're like, that doesn't make narrative sense given his, the only thing we see him consume the entire movie is beer.

Anyways, I don't even know. Yeah, I mean, going back to Eleanor a little bit, I mean, I just found it really, I felt like she was treated, I mean, she's treated horrifically, but it also felt like she was like, they were leaning on Jewish stereotypes with her, but her character was, it was very unclear. I mean, not that it would

make it okay either way, but I was like, I'm pretty sure we were told at the beginning of the movie, this character isn't Jewish. And then they layer all of these horrible stereotypes on her. It's just like another thing where it's like both offensive and confusing. He's doing a stereotypical Jewish old lady voice. And like we picked up on that right away when I was watching it. I was like, that's so weird because like again, they're not they're not Jews ostensibly anyway, right? Like the first thing we learn about them. Right. And like you said, like even if they were Jewish characters to then lean into that stereotype is just lazy and reductive, problematic and confusing in every joke in this movie. I was pleasantly surprised that, I mean, are we ready to talk about, are we ready to talk Jennifer? Let's do it. I was pleasantly surprised that Jennifer didn't seem to fulfill any Jewish, like, women stereotypes really. I mean, in all of that, I'm saying it as if it's a

compliment, but also as I angrily texted Jamie, we know like six facts about Jennifer. Like, what do we really know about Jennifer? She's not a well-defined character. She's a compliment, but also as I angrily texted Jamie, we know like six facts about Jennifer. Like, what do we really know about Jennifer? She's not a well-defined character. She's a woman. She's a brunette. She's a mom. She works at Dunkin' Donuts. She's Jewish.

She's generous. Yeah. Yeah, she's a nice person. And she doesn't put up with Davy's shit a lot of the time. And that really makes you wonder why she's willing to like get with Him because has he redeemed himself? because he's so irredeemable that like He doesn't do enough. I think and no it's she's treated as a trophy at the end

I mean which I think has made pretty explicit by how like and they make eleanor do it where it's like If you guys don't kiss i'll kick you in the teeth. And then Jennifer's like, yep, makes sense. I guess you're my son now too. You're like, Jesus, come on. Honestly, then I'm gonna retract my previous statement that it was nice that she wasn't treated with Jewish stereotypes because the reason

they probably didn't imbue her with Jewish stereotypes is because she was a trophy at the end, right? Like in a lot of movies like that, the Jewish woman character really does only exist to be sort of mocked in a number of different a variety of different fun ways. And so I feel like you can you can have one or the other but Adam Sandler would not want his prize to be kind of, you know, mired in Jewish stereotypes, right? Like he would he would separate those two out. It's very bleak. Right. Especially because the woman trophy in so many movies is very waspy. Everything is bad in the movie.

I guess I don't have anything to say about the dead parents except what a wildly serious plot point to deploy with like 10 minutes left in the movie. But yeah I think like Alex you said it perfectly earlier where it's like it's that is presented as a justification for all of his behavior which obviously it isn't and then when he makes the smallest bit of progress as a person he's immediately given Trophy Jennifer the smallest bit of progress as a person, he's immediately given Trophy Jennifer, who stands up for him kind of in a weird vacuum. I think it's the only real justification is

they have a connection from the past and she's nice. There's also, oh gosh, I wanted to make sure I mentioned that there's also just, again, expectedly bad presentation of an unhoused person in this too, where like, I don't even wanna get it, but it's like all of the stereotypes you would expect are present. And it's again, a character that doesn't do anything

except be there. So it's like they just- Either to be made fun of, yeah. Right, the same as, you know, Mr. Chang and like, you know, they're just like, oh yeah, yeah. Right, the same as Mr. Chang and they're just like, oh yeah, this is the joke we always make in the Adam Sandler movie, so we have to make it here too. And it's just like lazy and bad, what else? There's similarly a very brief but noticeable

transphobic joke in one of the songs. In song. Song form, emblematic of the songs. In song. Song form. Emblematic of the type of stuff that this movie thinks is funny. The protein powder hits on the Victoria's Secret dress. You're just, at some point you're like, all right, I'm just like, I've stopped feeling.

I didn't even write that down because I had like checked out so hard at that point that I was like, I can't, my brain is mush, I can't even. It's honestly like, yeah, listeners, let us know if we've forgotten anything because I found it so hard to lock in on this movie and I kept pausing it to be like, ah! Yeah.

We'll do an earlier point, like, it's one thing if there is a character who hasn't properly dealt with grief, who is like turning to substance use to cope, and who like with the help of their community perhaps is able to like turn things around and deal with things in a healthier way. There's a lot of movies about that. Also I was thinking about how there's like a whole subgenre

of movies about a like down on his luck man, often someone who is like dealing with alcoholism, who is either by like community service, like is sentenced to community service or something that he has to coach a like youth team. Yeah, there are so many movies to this effect. I'm starting a letterboxed list. that he has to coach a youth team. There are so many movies to this effect. I'm starting a letterboxed list, and so far I have,

there's a Ben Affleck movie called The Way Back, I think. Hoosiers has this premise. I wanna say, is Mighty Ducks one of them? Mighty Ducks. Oh yeah, absolutely. A League of their own. It's the Tom Hanks character. I think that's half TV pilots too.

You're right. He's back. So if anyone has any other, I know I'm missing so many. Oh, there was actually a movie that I was an extra in called The Winning Season starring Sam Rockwell and Emma Roberts that I think never got a theatrical release. I was like, that sounds like a mad lib. I'm basically the star of it as I walk through one cafeteria scene with no speaking role. But it's like, yeah, Sam

Rockwell gets community service and has to coach a girls basketball team. So there's just so many movies to this effect. A Crazy Night's being one of them. Anyway, if there's a movie where like, it's a similar premise and the character like, learns through like the love and companionship of the people around him and that's his arc and that he like treats people better because of it, fine, whatever, like this is also the premise

of many, many holiday movies. But like, this one is just so half baked in its execution. And the character starts out so irredeemable that you're just like, why do I care? Why am I watching this? It's horrible. It's so tropey. Yeah, and it's an absolute mess. I think that his character, like I was saying a lot of his behavior I mean, there's no coming back from some of the things he did like when you throw You know when you throw an old man off a cliff inside a port-a-body and let him get covered in shit

Like there's really you I mean How's no redemption? There's no redemption to be no no and And I think that even I think that's probably why they dropped the dead parents in at the end. They're like, ta-da. And it just doesn't, that doesn't make it better. And I also think that his re his redeeming himself by saying, maybe what he should win the patch award. Like, that's not, that's not enough. Is that redemption? Is that enough? Did he balance the scales of justice? I feel like he did not. Right. We've talked about this before, but male redemption arcs in stories like this is something we see all the time where a man will be really awful to people and do things that are arguably irredeemable, but because he does one tiny little thing, he does the

not even the bare minimum, he does less than the bare minimum, but still gets a redemption arc because culturally, we just allow bad male behavior far more than we permit or tolerate any kind of bad behavior from marginalized genders. Well, yeah, like the threshold for a man's redemption is far lower, and the threshold for punishment of anyone who's not a man is also far lower. Like, you know, we see women get punished all the time for existing, and then like, you know, characters like this do the most horrific shit possible, and then are nice one time, and then it's like,

no, you're right, you're right, here's your woman property. After Me Too, there were all those apologies that came out and I'm thinking in particular of, I wanna say Mario Batali and he was like, I'm sorry I sexually harass people, here is a cinnamon roll recipe, everything's good. And I was just like, what?

Ah. Well, let's think, yeah, like if you're a white man in society and you do something horrible, you have a shot at redemption. Caitlin, I keep forgetting to bring this up. I think about it every couple of months. I wanna do a matriot theme that's like white male auteur post-MeToo movie, cause there were so many of them

that were like, I get it guys, I get it, my bad. And then it's like the only movie they'll ever make that centers a woman and it makes no sense. Listeners, please drop your, like I've been meaning to make a letter box list of like male auteur, my B, post me two movies because some are okay,

most of them are incoherent and forgettable, but I feel like there was, they were like, oh, we gotta get broads in here. And it doesn't work. I actually think one of the better ones is The Last Duel. Oh, sure. The Last Duel's a good example of that. Men, for example, is a,

that's the Alex Garland post-B2 movie. There's just a lot of them. It's- Bombshell, directed by J. Roach. Oh my God. Yes, that might be bottom of the barrel for me. That movie is dog shit. And at the time I was, and they tried to kill me

at the time, I got called by the newspaper when I said that Bombshell was like dog shit and bad for women. They're like, what do you mean? You hate women? Like, Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's exactly what that means.

There, I said it. Does anyone have any other thoughts about eight crazy nights? Yeah, I mean, I forget when we last had this conversation, but I do want to just sort of like take a second for us to acknowledge Adam Sandler's politics, which are actually quite relevant to this movie in spite of it not really being about Hanukkah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, so Adam Sandler has a history of having a very pro-Israel stance. A couple examples of this, seemed like a lot of it happened in 2015, at least publicly, where he was reported as saying, quote, I will always stand with Israel, I can't tolerate people who criticize Israel without walking in their shoes. I hate the

lies they spread and their lack of knowledge. I am proud to stand up for the Israelis." And then also in that year, there was this whole thing where the front man of Pink Floyd, Roger Waters, you know, he's a proponent of the BDS movement. He said he would not play shows in Israel. Howard Stern then went on like a long rant about this on his show in October of 2015. And then Adam Sandler went on the Howard Stern show and said something to the effect of like, I'm disgusted when they single out Israel. I'm very pro Israel.

He goes on to say like, he doesn't like it when musicians won't play concerts in Israel. And then he's like, I love what you had to say about it, Howard Stern, which was like some of the most vile, racist, horrible stuff. I don't even wanna repeat it, but if anyone's interested in looking that up on their own time.

And then so I was curious, like, okay, this is, you know, nearly 10 years ago, has Adam Sandler's stance changed at all. And it seems like he hasn't said a whole lot about it in the past decade aside from after October 7th of 2023, he did post on Instagram saying that, I've been heartbroken by the horrendous attacks on Israel. I pray for peace and the safety of innocent Israelis and Palestinians everywhere."

So now he's sort of like both sides in it, which is a choice. And I don't think he said much about it publicly since. Yeah, no, it's a different choice, I think, than he had been making in the past. And part of me wants to, the optimistic part of me wants to see that as a sign of progress. I mean, I think going from supporting Howard Stern's vile statements that are incredibly racist to saying Palestinians are also people who deserve safety is like, you know, again, that's a step. We can call it, let's just call it a step.

I don't think it needs to be complimented. I don't think it needs to be like celebrated. It's just like, Hey, so we did do that. And that's cool. You know, and I think that like, a lot of the support for Israel is generational. So Adam Sandler, I just want to note what generation is he in? He's held is he? Gen X? Yeah. So there's actually been a real shift in like millennials and Gen Z around Israel. And I think a lot of it is that there's social media and that you can really see the harm that is being done to Palestinians.

So I think that there's that component of it that younger people are just a little bit more in the know about that sort of thing and a little more involved in that way. So I'm not trying to give them a pass at all, but I am like contextual contextualizing that older Jews tend to have stronger opinions and stronger support for Israel than, and again, I'm painting with a very broad brush

because everybody has their own thoughts. Of course, of course. Yeah, so I guess, unsurprising that he has these various stances over the years, but it feels like what so much of Hollywood is doing, which is just like remaining mostly silent on the matter. Right, which is still saying something. It is like very pointed silence. Which is absolutely saying something, yeah.

Because when a genocide is happening and when a decades long subjugation of an entire population of people is not being acknowledged, that is being complicit and that is very much part of the violence. I'm a member of Jewish Voices for Peace, which is a nonprofit that's anti-Zionist. I feel like that's important to say. And a big part of Jewish Voices for Peace is talking about how so many Jews have just like a deep understanding of what state-sanctioned violence looks like and what a genocide looks like because this is unfortunately a big part of our history from pogroms to blood libel

claims and so much more all the way Including the Holocaust and I mean Jews I feel like unfortunately are uniquely qualified to say this is a genocide And that's where Jewish voices for peace really comes into play is saying like we can see what we can call it for what it is like we see what's happening and That is I think what is so heartbreaking to be a Jewish person watching this happen Is that like I know what this is. I think what is so heartbreaking to be a Jewish person watching this happen is that like, I know what this is. I am familiar with the name. I'm familiar with what a genocide is.

And to see it be perpetrated by people who call themselves Jewish like me is just, it's deeply heartbreaking. I can't, I mean, yeah, I have felt so like heartened by seeing work like the LA branch of Jewish Voices for Peace is wonderful. I've been going to a lot of events. I have felt so heartened by seeing work like the LA branch of Jewish Voices for Peace is wonderful. I've been going to a lot of events. Actually, one of our previous guests on the show, Summer Farah, recently did an event with Writers

Against the War on Gaza out here. And it does feel, and I've been tremendously educated by groups like these, and particularly by Palestinian writers. And I am glad for like ours and younger generations that there has been such movement because we have you know flawed tools but tools to be able to better understand that makes the propaganda less powerful. Kind of I guess taking it back to Adam Sandler. The silence I silence, I don't know. It's like, again, everyone is on

an individual journey. Who knows how his kids feel. I know that there's a lot of families that are fractured by younger generations being against Israel, you know. But silence is a business decision is something that I find particularly vile and unsettling because it's like, I don't, not particular to Adam Sandler, but it's like, you can't not have a feeling about it. So the silence is just, it's a very pointed choice.

So we don't know, but it's something that I have seen, just again, of how this continues to affect, I mean, obviously, we should be centering the Palestinian people first and foremost. But as sort of we see these issues continue to be discussed less and less in media, I was really surprised. There's a recent story where Gladiator 2 just came out. I'm going somewhere with this. And there was originally an Egyptian-Palestinian actor. I hope I'm saying her name correctly, Mae Kalamawi, who was originally,

I believe, Paul Mescal's love interest. It's Gladiator's, I'm sure it wasn't a great part, but like all of her scenes were shot and then her entire part was cut out of the movie in post-production, which was taking place after she had been vocally supportive of Palestine because of course she's a Palestinian actor. Like, and just the fact that this is still

really deeply affecting, particularly Palestinian artists, and it is becoming less and less and less discussed as time went on. I'm so surprised, I guess, at this point, that that is not a story that seems to have broken through in any meaningful way, in spite of the fact that the movie is out and doing very well.

So, yeah, I don't know. I just... I mean, it's just indicative of media, of Hollywood, of society's apathy, if not outward cruelty and violence toward Palestinians. And it's so disheartening. And that's why we must continue to. That's why we must talk about eight crazy nights

on the Bechtel Cast. If it's a vehicle for us to then also talk about Palestinian liberation then. Yeah, we're also in the New Year going to be covering a few Palestinian films as well. Like we wanna keep the conversation going. But yeah, we wanted to talk to you about it because I know you're involved with Jewish Voices for Peace

and just in general are the best. I've learned so much from you. You've educated my whole family, truly. What? When? About what? When my brother lives with you. Yeah, that's true.

I did radicalize your brother. And then my dad visited you guys on the stoop during the pandemic, and he learned things too. He was like, Communist Alex is at it again. He called me the world's friendliest socialist, I think, is what he said. That was the title he gave me. That feels like an attack on me, as opposed to my daughter,

who's the world's bitchiest socialist. I just say it in a really friendly way. I'm like, wouldn't that be neat if... Anyway, thank you for talking with us about this. And yeah, does anyone have anything else they want to talk about? This movie sucks ass. It's quite bad. And if you think it's good, consider, did you see it when you were 10? And if not, there's something seriously wrong with you. This is the time where usually it's like you love what you love. If you love this movie, you're sick and you need,

you need help. Oh, we didn't talk about this, but very briefly, did a woman talk to another woman ever in the course of the movie? Because I tried to keep track of that. I think that the closest it comes is when Eleanor tells them to kiss, but she's not just talking to Jennifer, she's also talking to Davy. She's talking to the royal, yeah. Right, the collective we.

And the context is like, have a heterosexual kiss, please. Yeah, don't think it passes the Bechtel test even remotely. Jennifer doesn't have any friends. Also like if she was like on a basketball team with Davy when they were kids, like she's a basketball player. Why doesn't like there could have easily been a thing where like she's playing basketball with her son or shooting hoops or whatever,

but the movie doesn't care at all about characterizing her except to have her be an attractive person that Davey can win as a trophy at the end. Yeah, which is too bad, because they give her some potentially interesting characteristics, but have no interest in exploring any of them, any of her interiority.

Like she is just a cardboard cutout at the mall. And I will give it to her that she's kind of the, she's one of the few people who will call Davey out for his cruel, awful behavior. Yeah. Whitey does it too, but. But that feels very like attempted feminism of the time where it's like they say one thing and then they do another

because she still ends up with them at the end. Like there is no real consequence other than a delay of less than a week it seems like. Well also there's a fine line between a character who we are not meant to like making reductive and problematic remarks to people and the movie framing that as being wrong. And there is some degree of that in this movie because he does get called out quite a bit, but then the movie also relies on jokes that are, like for example, anytime Whitey has a seizure or a lot of Whitey's behavior is like the movie making fun of him from a very ableist point of view.

So even though the Davey character will be called out for being ableist, the movie then turns around and makes the same ableist jokes. So it's like then why are you even calling him out if this is how you feel about people with disabilities or if this is how you feel about fat people or whatever. So it's just so disgusting. I'll give the movie zero nipple. I give the movie negative five nipples. Nice. The end. I think I will do the same. And and I have nothing else to say about it. Like honestly. Yeah. What about you, Alex? Yeah, I think negative five feels fair. I can I give it like negative stars

of David to maybe like half a half a star of Just cause like, where is the Hanukkah? I saw some menorahs in the background. They were ice sculptures. That's it basically. So I'm gonna give it half a star David. That's all I've got. It's brutal. I also, I think as we've talked through this,

I think now that in an earlier draft of the movie that Whitey and Eleanor were Jewish, and that's why the ending doesn't make sense, but then they changed it. Why they changed it is anyone's guess. But I would guess that they added that because it's in that one line that unfortunately introduces Whitey,

where they're like, Whitey, you're not even Jewish. He's like, I know. So I don't know why they added that they could have just taken it out anyways I have I have nothing else to say. Well Alex thank you so much for joining us for this discussion. Thanks for having me. And sorry. Tell us more about your your art and your work and where people can find you and plug away. Excellent. Yeah, you can find me on Instagram,

Zinnia Socialist Supply Company. I make radical art stickers, all sorts of stuff like that. Lots of rent themed stickers as we discussed before, but don't worry, other musical theater stickers as well. Yeah, I know, we got to keep the... We need it all. So you can find me on there. And yeah, yeah, that's that. You can get our stickers on our merch store. But the best way to support our show is to go to patreon.com slash Bechtelcast and subscribe to our matrion where you get two bonus episodes every single month

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And yeah, that's. Alex, we owe you a good movie. So come back with your favorite movie and we will cover that next. That sounds amazing. I'm on board. All right, gang. Yeah, on that note, let's.

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