The Bechdel Cast - Friday the 13th with Jen Saunderson

Episode Date: October 12, 2017

Did you know a young boy drowned in the lake the same day Caitlin and Jamie started The Bechdel Cast? Grab your goalie mask and a lust for blood, camp counselor Jen Saunderson is going to help us survive Friday the 13th!(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @JenSaunderson on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Enjoy. Oh, I get it. Welcome to the Bechtelcast. I was like, she's a choo-choo. She's a little train. And then for a second, I was like, what's the movie? And then for a second, The Polar Express. Today's episode is about The Polar Express.

The Polar Express. Let's promise. Let's make a pinky swear right now to never do an episode about The Polar Express. My promise to you. Thank you. We will never do an episode about the polar express my promise to you we will never do the uncanny valley the movie yeah totally how are you oh boy oh i'm caitlin by the way i'm jamie uh this is our podcast about the polar express yes really take it exclusively it used to be about the portrayal of women in movies inspired by the bechdel test but now it's just Well, fortunately we were able to resolve all those problems, uh,

about movies. It's no longer an issue. Yeah. Hollywood did a great job. Yeah. It really, it fixed it. So really tightened the trip or,

uh, or the choo choo as it were. They really tightened up the choo choo train. And, uh, now we're free to talk about what we wanted to talk about the whole time which is gender politics on the polar express there's gotta be if that essay doesn't exist i will write it yeah please yeah what was the role of women on the polar express i don't remember i remember there was a scary looking little girl i didn't see the movie scary looking little boy

i only i read the book as a kid but i I've never seen the movie. It's basically a horror movie. It's like, it's the scariest movie ever. Hey, great transition into the stuff we're talking about. I know. Good job. You're saying it on purpose. Oh my God. I haven't slept in like two days. Um, I have. Brag. Uh, okay. Great. Let's introduce our guest. Choo-choo. Let's do it. Choo-choo. Choo-choo. Our guest, she's the host of The Filling is Mutual on IFC, and she's a comedian, Jen Saunderson. Hello. Hi.

Welcome. Thanks for being here. Yay. Thanks for having me. I was trying not to crack up. Oh, my God. I was like, don't ruin it, Jen. That is so much kinder than most of our guests have ever done.

Yeah. We've been yelled at mid-intro before. We've been yelled at. We've been interrupted. All male guests do this. Oh no. So thanks for being considerate. That's what ladies do.

What a horrible stereotype. No, I'm kidding. Let's start a podcast about that. Not all men yell. So we're talking about Friday the 13th, the first one from 1980. I wasn't sure if I could do it, but it's actually very easy to do. It couldn't be easier. Jen, when did you first see the movie?

What's your history and your relationship with the movie? I must have seen this movie probably like junior year of high school. There was a group of friends that I had that that's all we did was watch horror movies for a whole summer. Because you're a big horror fan. I love horror movies. That's so cool. That's why you're here movies. That's so cool. That's why you're here today. That's so cool.

She just come on. I hate horror movies. I'm really glad I get this platform to tell you. Don't do it. It's horrible. We should all watch The Hour of Power with Dr. Robert Shuler. Okay. What's that?

No, don't. Educate us. It's an evangelical church based, I think, around San Diego. Oh, no. Oh, my God. It's in California somewhere. Oh, now I've got to watch it. I used to watch that as a kid.

Don't do that. I've got to watch it. Let's talk about horror movies instead. So you've been into horror movies your whole life? Oh, I would say going into high school, I was a bit of a wimp. The first time I ever saw a radar movie was Predator, and I got so scared. I wouldn't leave the room. I wouldn't get away from my family to go to the bathroom and take a shower for the night. I was so scared that Predator was going to come and get me.

And then I was super scared of Bloody Mary. I still don't watch Candyman. And I've said those names once and that's it. I am also afraid of her. BMs? I'm afraid of my own BMs.

I thought you were talking about the movie Her. And I was like, that wasn't a horror. Those pants are scary. Good outfit. Good outfit. Good outfit on the poster. I forget. That's the one where he kisses his phone? Yeah.

Boring, let's skip it. He flucks his phone. That's the one where he tongues his phone. Joaquin gets a little shock in his tongue because he sticks his, anyways. Yeah. So, yeah, no, I was, and I had never seen a movie with the BM character. I just heard about it secondhand from my cousins.

And there was, like, a night my cousin Tammy lives in a 300-year-old house. And, ooh, it was, yeah. And, like, legitimately a haunted house. Like, I low-key believe in that shit. But she also, like, in the closet in her room, there were these, like these claw marks because someone had been locked in there once. Where is this? This is in Brockton, Massachusetts. It's like some New England spooky stuff.

Oh, yeah. Some old school 1800s New England spook fest. Yikes. So it was scary. We would watch horror movies there, and that really made me not like horror movies until I was in college. So I liked doing them but then when i saw the ring at that house that fucked me up for like a full year yeah yeah did you see the original uh ringu or did you see the ring first i saw i saw the ring with the that

i and and i saw the well once the the well the like sam Samara well is like an hour outside of here at a state college. Yeah. I always like when I watch a horror movie to distance myself from where they are. I'm like, yeah, Derry. I'm never going to Derry where all the Stephen King books and movies are. Oh, Maine, right? Yeah. And then when The Ring came out, I was like, son of a bitch, because they filmed a lot of aerials from the island I grew up on, on Whidbey Island in Washington State.

I was like, don't go there! No! That's my safe place! See, my mom had a rule that we couldn't watch Stephen King movies when I was young because my grandma lived in the same town as Stephen King. And so she was like, you will hate vacation if you see these movies. You may not see these movies. And so I still haven't seen a lot of them. Did you ever do the BMs to the mirror? Did you ever? Yes.

My dad locked me in the bedroom or in the bathroom once. And he did that to me. Yeah. How old were you? Oh, I must have been 11 or 10. That is the worst time to do that. Yeah. Well, he's not much older than me because he's my stepdad and my mom was really young.

So, like, a big brother was just like, you don't want to take a shower? Well, I'm just going to show you it doesn't exist. And I'm here going, what? No! No! Yeah. That's horrifying. Did anything happen?

I'll go into a bathroom right now and say, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary. No! Hey, hey, hey! What is wrong with you? You're tempting fate! This is how horror movies start, and you are dead first! No, I'm dying. You are dead first!

I'm the final girl. No, you don't be final, girl. When is the knocking on the woods, and do I do the curve of the cross symbols? I'm sorry. What I did was not as bad as you guys saying BM over and over again. Okay, well, you know what? That's just a safety precaution. I feel like we should take a break and Kate, let's just go downstairs and turn the lights off. And then we'll see what really is what.

I'll fight her. She shows up, I'll punch her in the teeth. She's supernatural. The thing is, like, I don't know anything about her. I don't know what she's supposed to look like. I just knew that she was coming for me and that I was the youngest, so I was the one that had to do it. I was volunteered as tribute.

I didn't like it. You're the Cadmus Everdeen. BM. Wait, so, Jen, so they're back to Friday the 13th. Sorry. So there's, like, a bunch of them. Have you seen them all? I have not seen them all because I have better uses of my time and I want to watch other good horror movies.

Sure, because there's one where he, like, goes to Manhattan. There's one where he goes to space. Yeah, the space one. I just can't. Are you sure this isn't the Muppets franchise? No, he goes into space because I watched a video of all of them because I was like, well, I know we're going to talk

about it. And he apparently merges with a cyborg or something, an android. Hell yeah. Can I just say a light just flickered. It's Bloody Mary. Stop saying that. Seriously, the B to the M. To the flesh.

I can't. You guys are talking about shits. I'm talking about. We are clearly. It is clearly code. It is clearly code. We're not being cute about it. It's a safety precaution.

It's based off of Mary, Queen of Scots, who got her head chopped off. That's what the... Oh, I figured it was maybe like a Virgin Mary thing, but I don't know. No, she's fucked. She's horny and furious! Jamie, when did you first see Friday the 13th? Today.

Yeah. As is the answer to every time I ask you. About three hours ago. I had never seen it either. I saw it for the first time a few days ago. And then I watched the first four. I was like, oh, Jason. You watched the first four? Yeah.

Whoa. Because I was like, oh, Jason Voorhees forgot to be in his own movie. I better watch it until he shows up. How long? Does it take him four movies to show up? Well, no, but you don't see him in his like iconic hockey mask until halfway through the third movie he's hockey i wasn't sure i was mixing him because i was for sure mixing him up with freddie for a little while oh yeah no that's freddie's nightmare

on elm street right and i have seen that one a couple different times i like that one a lot and there is freddie versus jason right right right okay so he's he's goalie mask hockey goalie yeah he's a hockey goalie i'm gonna send you to a bathroom i'm gonna start i know a couple hockey goalies are very i i have a great report with the hockey goalies. Tight. Thank you so much. Not to brag, I had a favorite goalie when I was little. His name was Poopa.

That was why he was my favorite. Is this at Boston Bruins? I don't know. I had a trading card of him, and I was like, oh, now I can say Poop whenever I want. Poopa. Well, you guys are saying BM over and over again. Well, we're adults. We can say Poop whenever we want now.

We can also say Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary. What is wrong with Caitlyn? You cannot do that. She's a demented. Let me do the recap. Stop saying that three times and then saying, let's get back on track. I'm just going to bring up your scary childhood stuff. Candyman would.

I said it twice. I'm not going to say it a third time. But I will go to town on saying Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is literally out Candyman would. I said it twice. I'm not going to say it a third time, but I will go to town on saying Beetlejuice. Oh, yeah. Beetlejuice is literally out front right now. I saw that. Beetlejuice is literally out front. Would you say... Feminist icon Beetlejuice is at the door. Beetlejuice is not a

feminist icon. We have clearly just deconstructed him. Check out our Beetlejuice episode for a wild case about why... No, he's not. He peeks up everyone's. Well, not to spoil, he assaults every woman in the movie. Yeah, you watch that movie

and you're like, why was I allowed to watch this as a child? Yeah. Wow. So Beetlejuice is like at, there's a Beetlejuice mannequin at the front. There's been Beetlejuice's popping up right and left in my life recently. There was a Beetlejuice pop-up bar in Manhattan that our guest on Beetlejuice went to because he was in such a Beetlejuice mode. Sorry for saying Beetlejuice so many times.

He's here now. You said it three times. He's sending him here and you're sending him away. And he's like, come on. Do you think he's out there? He's out there. He's already here. Stop.

No, Beetlejuice. They're in a relationship, you're right. They're teenagers. I used to watch that cartoon all the time, totally forgetting about the movie. I forgot about the cartoon. I mean, it sounds like the cartoon Beetlejuice is a way more sympathetic character. Yeah, he's a lot more chill because it was a Saturday morning cartoon. He was like, hey, Lydia, I'm going to marry you and knock you up.

He wasn't like that. It was just, I'm your friend. I'm helping you at school all female reboot of beetlejuice yes beetlejuice feminist icon hey let me do that i'll do the recap of which beetlejuice do you want to watch real beetlejuice or girl beetlejuice girl beetlejuice going to be a really landmark role for someone. Do you think Girl Beetlejuice would wear like juicy couture, like juicy butt pants? Oh, God. There'd have to be some sort of. No, I just want Darnie. I feel like she'd wear a jumper.

Ooh, I'm on board for that. Yeah. Girl Beetlejuice. Lady Beetlejuice would wear. Right. Woman. Grown woman. Woke woman Beetlejuice would wear. Right, woman, grown woman. Woke woman Beetlejuice.

WWB would definitely wear a striped jumpsuit with suspenders. But don't skimp on the scabs when we're making our all-female. Let's not get back into the scab discussion. Okay, I'm going to do the recap to Friday the 13th. Tune in next week for scab so friday the 13th is about this group of mostly teens uh who are counselors at a camp are they supposed to be teens i think i was because i are teens early 20s and then the one guy who's always just topless trying to fix up this camp yeah that's a very weird topless like i wrote down creative male toplessness in this movie sometimes topless but suspenders yeah also

yeah what was that uncomfortable anyways they all arrive at this uh camp camp what is it called camp crystal lake camp crystal lake camp crystal light again strawberry lemonade sponsored camp delicious totally sponsored camp it's like a nascar race Camp Crystal Lake. Camp Crystal Light. Camp Crystal Light. Strawberry lemonade. Sponsored camp. Delicious. Totally sponsored camp. It's like a NASCAR race. Totally.

So they show up to this camp that everyone in town is like, oh, Camp Blood. What are you doing that for? What are you opening that back up? Which, let's be honest, very uncreative name for a camp where someone died once. Right. Which is crazy is that the original name was supposed to be long night at camp blood was the original name of title of the movie oh god yeah that's way more b movie than yeah yeah interesting so they show up to this camp and everyone's like oh it's spooky there's a crazy guy in town named ralph and they're like, people die there. And everyone's like, oh well. Is that old Fedora man?

Oh, he was fun. He was a fun guy. And then people start to die. People start to get murdered. We're like, who's doing this? We don't know. And one by one, first it's Annie. Bacon's back, baby.

Kevin Bacon. Oh, just for everyone keeping score, Bacon, hot in this movie. Bacon hot. So hot that I didn't at first realize it was bacon. He's sizzling on the grill. Do you put bacon on a grill? You don't.

Do you put bacon on that? I don't know. It's like a skillet. You can do whatever you want. You're a grown-ass female Beetlejuice. You can do whatever you want. I'm a grown Beetlejuice. You're a grown-ass female Beetlejuice. You can do whatever you want. I'm a grown Beetlejuice. You're a WWB.

So Annie, Marcy, Brenda, Alice are the ladies in the movie, and Annie dies first. She doesn't get to meet the other kids. I honestly did not miss her one bit. No, she was a bit obnoxious. I was excited that she was killed off pretty early. This is my dream, you guys. To be a camp counselor.

I was like, grow up. How old are you? And then her first scene, she's like, do-do-do-do-do. Let me ask a dog a question. I was like, fuck you. Do you speak English? Hey, do you know where Camp Blood is? No?

Okay. And then I thought of the room. Bye-bye, doggie. Bye-bye, doggie. Bye-bye, do you know where Camp Blood is? No? Okay. And then I thought of the room. Bye-bye, doggie. Bye-bye, doggie. Bye-bye, doggie. Can we just address the fact that there's a creepy man saying, Hey, are all the counselors as pretty as you? And then he touches her ass.

He touches her butt. I'm like, dude, warning, stranger danger, get out of there. Annie was not raised well. She's very naive there's an old man hoisting her via her ass into his pickup truck and she's like so what about camp it's like yikes annie not to victim blame but you are ignoring a lot of red flags she really is speaking of red flags if you're gonna run in the woods because you're scared of somebody, take off the red hoodie. It's just a big beacon of, hey, here I am. True.

I'm just running in the woods. Maybe you'll find me. Giant red hoodie. Yeah. Very Elliot of her. And she didn't even know that. It was 1980. Anyways.

Yeah. So, yeah, they start dying. And there's also, there's Jack kevin bacon's character there's a dude named ned and bill uh and then steve christie is the camp the main camp man kind of older guy yeah shirtless furry chest i was i was struggling to i was trying to put myself in the era i'm like am i supposed to think he's hot? And I never really reached a conclusion. Okay. Because he was killed off a little bit too easily for me.

I'm like, oh, so he wasn't that hot. But there was, you know, because I was like, he's lived long enough that I feel like I should be attracted to him. But the whole time I was just like trying to view it as like a scholar. Well, he's also like actively hitting on a teen girl. But he's all weird with Alice. He's like, you're pretty. Yeah, but the ages are so unclear to me. Because it's like these large bangs just obscure your age entirely.

I'm like, I have no idea how old these people are. Everyone has the same hairstyle. I didn't know anyone's name in this movie, male or female. I just struggled to remember people's names because I was like, oh, it's the one with bangs? They all have bangs. You can't kill me. I have bangs. Lots of bangs.

Lots of B-cups in this movie. It's nice to see B-cups on screen. Good representation of B-cups. You don't see that anymore. It's a bunch of D's out there. Yeah, everyone with these cool boobs. What about, bring back

no boobs. No boobs Tuesdays. All female be a juice with small boobs. WWBB Bees. I think we're really on this, aren't we? Yeah.

Hear that, Hollywood? Put it in the treatment. So everyone's dying until it's, the only person left is Alice. She encounters Mrs. Voorhees, who she seems to trust at first, but then you realize that Mrs. Voorhees is the person who's been killing everyone. And she's the mother of Jason, who drowned, except, just kidding, he didn't. And somehow he's magically an adult in the next one.

Right, because he's like a small boy when he pops out of the lake at the end and gives us that big face here. And then the next movie takes place a year later or less something like that and then he's a fully grown man then i i will say like this movie first of all i really enjoyed this movie i like horror movies i don't watch them a lot but i like them and and i also fell for way more jump scares than i was anticipating falling for Yeah, there were a few times where I, like, actually, like, the Kevin Bacon scene, I got a little jumpy out of it.

Because I was like, I didn't know he was underneath the bed. Kevin Bacon. Everyone dies so stupid. And, like, it's very, like, all the acting is so bad. Like, where Kevin Bacon, like, goes from, I don't even, there was anyone directing him. Like, it's unclear.

They show his ass, which was, I was like, whoa, I didn't know we got to see guy ass in the 80s. Bacon buns. Yes. Bacon buns. That actually sounds delicious. We don't see a full female ass in this movie. We see a pretty significant crack, a high crack on Marcio in this day. A highly placed crack.

Yeah, Marcio. B-cups and granny panties. I'm like, now we're in my comfort zone. Those are granny panties? No, those are like low-cut bikini panties. No. What? Okay, never mind.

I don't know what weird thongs you're wearing all the time. Yes. I'm wearing weird thongs all the time. Those are some... Like, you could get those at Victoria's Secret, and they would be, like, normal. Like, I'm wearing Spanx right now. Those are the granny panties. Yeah.

Oh. Those are, like, bike shorts for everyday use. Okay, I guess I wear weird underwear, so I get... You wear very weird underwear. And I'm shaming you about it. Tilted my cards way more than i was anticipating on that one all right well let's just plow on through uh so yeah then alice has a final confrontation with mrs vorhees who tries to kill alice because she's like you didn't watch my son even though this

happened i don't know 12 years ago or something because and then and she's like possessed by her son yeah something because there's that scene where he's like or something. And she's like possessed by her son. Yeah, something like that. Because there's that scene where he's like, Mommy, do it. And she's like, okay, Jason. Yeah, because the original, it's supposed to be kill, kill, kill, kill, die, die, die. But it was originally supposed to be kill, kill, kill, kill, mom, mom, mom. Because it's supposed to be Jason in her head. I like that way better.

I like kill, kill, kill, kill, mom, mom, mom way better. I have said multiple times to my husband if we were to have a kid, I would name them Killian so I could go in the grocery store and be like, kill! Kill! Kill! Like, yes, mommy? Yeah, I'd be like, this kid is gonna get...

Your kid's a very tiny assassin. Yeah! It's like, no one's going to mess with my Killian. That's great. Yeah, and then that's pretty much, then she chops, Alice chops Mrs. Voorhees' head off at the end. And then she goes, and she's like, oh, it's all over. Better get into a rowboat and go out into the lake at night for no reason. She was like, she was committed to that rowboat, too.

She was in the rowboat before Mrs. Voorhees found her. And then she's like, I committed to that rowboat too she was in the rowboat before mrs vorhees found her and then she's like i gotta get back to my boat it's like so weird i the last thing i would want to do is to i for some reason like i i like either way is scary but i 100 if i were alice would have gone on foot because we at least know that there were weird police officers. I loved that police officer who came and was like, are you guys on drugs? What's happening? What is this? We don't want any weirdos. We're old. We're not cool.

And they just drove away. They're like, thank you, officer. Now let's let these people who are appropriating native culture get back to fucking each other. Thank you. That was the only reason why I was like, yeah, Ned should die. Yeah.

And then when he was like, oh, I'm gonna drown, but ooh, no, kiss me. Oh, yeah. We'll talk all about that. Well, Ned is also the one who, his first appearance is almost shooting Marcy with an arrow, right?

Yes, oh my gosh. And then it's like, oh, fun flirt. He's the comedian. He almost killed her with an arrow. I was like, what? Fun flirt. She's like oh fun flirt he's the comedian killed her with an arrow i was like what she's like stop it you could have hurt i was like that's that was a real arrow this is not a joke i mean and it paid off later with her with where she died but like yeah that was the first and then it was like oh we love this guy he just shot he just shot this character

really like with a class clown. He's the comedian of the bunch. He's a goofball. He is racist. He is trying to kill the ladies at the camp. He looks like he's in his 40s. We're supposed to be serving turn. The age, I was really struggling with it.

It's the bangs. It's the bangs. Everyone in this movie was, actor-wise wise because i looked it up uh was in their like early to mid 20s which makes sense and they're playing they're supposed to be playing maybe a little bit younger uh but i could well also i think that people back then just aged more rapidly yes than we do because we're filling our bodies with all kinds of weird preservatives and people just aren't aging we're hotter we're hotter hotter we're hotter than everyone in that movie 17 is the year of the hotties oh god i mean that's

the 80s when people just be like i'm just gonna put like crisco on my skin and just hang out in the sunlight what could go wrong like just people that's true. Yeah, nobody knew about lotion. Bacon? Kevin? Bacon. He's bacon up there. So that's the story of Friday. Oh yeah, so she chops her head off, and then she goes out under a rowboat in the lake because the movie needs her to be on the lake so that Jason can jump out and pull her under, but not kill her because she survives. so that's pretty much how it ends and then oh and she wakes up she wakes up in a hospital

and they're like we didn't find a boy it's like really there were two cops standing right there watching that happen you didn't see the boy drag her under the water. Nothing in this movie makes sense. They're like, we're old. We don't understand camp. We haven't had fun in a long time. I gotta go make begrudging love to my wife. Very much the police officer's vibe. Right. Can we talk about Fedora Guy a little bit?

Just for fun. Who's that? Crazy Ralph? Like, you're doomed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The funny old man on the bike. Okay. Because I feel that in, and this is as a person with limited horror movie experience, there's usually a character who comes to warn someone about something.

This was one of the more fun, kooky warning characters. Because sometimes with warning characters, and I cannot pull an example at the top of my head, so hopefully what I'm saying will resonate, but I feel like there's sometimes some weird racist tropes used for a warning character, and there's just a random character like, don't go in there, and then they just disappear.

Which is what funny old Fedora guy does, but he's got these wild eyebrows. To his credit, he does not hit on Annie, who is about to be lifted via her butt into a truck. He just scares her. So I don't know if I would rather be just viscerally scared by or aggressively hit on by a man. I'd prefer neither. But I think I'd rather be scared. Just be told

not to go to a camp. Because he was right. Right. And then he, does he show up later in the movie? He does. He shows up to the camp. You dumb idiots. I told you not to come here. And he gets back on his bike. It's like, honestly, thank you for making the trip. Clearly,

he's probably had so many DUIs that he has to have a bike. Right. Yes. He was right, though. But do we find out? We don't find out why he knows that other than he's just been alive for a while, right? Well, because the movie opens with two camp counselors from, like, was it the late 60s? The 1950s.

Yeah. And they go up to an attic and they because sex right which is a huge trope in horror movies right they start to or they're like fooling around and then someone comes up and they we see them get murdered but we don't know by whom there are different illusions throughout the movie that there are those two murders and then the year before that a boy drowned and you don't find out that it was jason who quote unquote drowned even though he didn't because he's still alive and he goes on to kill a bunch of people and all the other sequels but he's drowned or he like was in the one i don't know who knows again this movie doesn't make sense like it's not super important

continuity is not super important to these movies But because he drowned and then those two other people were killed like a decade or so before that, everyone's like, oh, camp blood, blah, blah, blah. So he's warning them, crazy Ralph guys all. I was sort of hoping that if I did have one criticism of Fedora guy, I was hoping that it would turn out that he was somehow more integrally involved in the original what happened. Because it would have been very easy to be like and he was a little camp boy like or like you see a little boy with a fedora on a bike a lot in 20 years damn like wow that really haunted him well he's only 35 years old one of

the big problems i think i think so i generally liked the movie for what it was. You know, it's just like kind of a mindless slasher. I'm also not very well versed on like horror is probably the genre that I'm like least fluent in, if you will. But I, you know, it's a fun slasher movie. It's full of tropes and those tropes keep recurring in all the sequels. But one of the things I wanted to talk about is like the horror genre has its own set of like gender tropes. There's like often the final girl. There's the thing where if you're a woman and you have sex, you've got to die.

But also like man, like if you're a man, you have to like anyone who has sex, they have to die. I feel like there's a trope where like if you're a woman and you scream and you don't know how if you're a woman and you scream and you don't know how to put up a fight and you just like let yourself be killed which is something i noticed about this movie sometimes it's like they turn around and then they're dead all of a sudden but like when they have a chance to like put up a fight it rarely happens except with alice and then she's like yeah i'll throw a spool of twine at you. Can we address that Mrs. Voorhees has a knife,

and she goes after Alice, and they have a slap fight? It's like everybody else gets viciously murdered, and she's like, oh, Alice, slap, slap, slappity slap. Like, really? What's happening here? I noticed that to the point where I was questioning. I was like, is it a knife? It looks like a knife, but she's not treating it like a knife at all.

I guess she drops it. I don't know. Again, there's a lot in this movie that doesn't make sense. But I think that that, well, what is your thinking about that? Does it seem like something that's just like, oh, they made it into a girl fight unnecessarily? I just think it was just some way to be like, well, of course she's going to try to fight or something, but we can't, you know, have her die in the first five minutes of the fight.

So, right. Everybody likes, everybody likes chick fights. Just do some slapping. That's good. And Miss Voorhees has a great sweater. Yeah? She does. Okay.

No, right. Her sweater sucks. Oh, no right her sweater oh sweater sweater sweater rules good sweater good haircut yeah strong female producer feminist icon mrs well i did like i did like i did like that the movie like subverted the trail though so again I don't know much about horror movies I haven't seen a ton like the slasher subgenre was basically invented by was it Halloween or around that time in like 79 was that kind of the first slasher movie do you know this was around 79 this is 80 yeah so I mean like this was sort of the beginning of the genre so at this point i was assuming and then i did a little bit of research but it seems like this is around the time where these tropes are sort of becoming solidified right yeah okay so the trope and a lot of them especially over the years has developed that it's like a man there's a man

so not that there was a whole lot to subvert prior to this because this is like right like you said it sort of at the beginning of these tropes being developed but i thought it was cool that it's a lady killing everybody sure well this okay and this is i i think sometimes just a uh repercussion or a side effect of the cast uh is that i i think that I'm giving them a little more credit for they probably weren't thinking about it this hard. But I didn't know like I didn't know the twist that it's Mrs. Voorhees. So I was watching it thinking it's hockey mouse guy or sweater guy. I'm not sure who watching them with the sweater guy being Freddie Freddie.

Sweater guy? Sweater guy. Where Mrs. Voorhees is sweater girl. watching them with these sweater guy being freddie freddie sweater guy where mrs vorhees is sweater girl but but like with these very predatory shots of you know basically a vorhees tracking prey originally i was like oh this is this will be an interesting thing to be like oh it's like a male gaze kind of like literally a male gaze shot but then it oh, it's like a male gaze-y kind of like literally a male gaze shot. But then it turns out it is not a male gaze, but also is it? It was confusing because it's a woman being possessed by a man. Or acting out the instructions of a man and of her son too,

which is like, okay, it's good that we have like a prominent female character but of course her instinct and her motivation all goes back to something very maternal which is like kind of a yeah easy choice not necessarily a bad one but an easy one sure like reverse psycho i wrote that down yeah yeah oh whoa great minds great minds gang they think the same is that the phrase is that the famous saying? That's what they say. I did want to say you had brought up Sweater Guy. And I don't know if you guys have been going around those Halloween shops.

I cannot stand to see when they do sexy Freddy Krueger costumes. Oh, I've seen a lot of those, yeah. Do you guys know who Freddy Krueger is? Okay, I guess I'll just return my costume that I bought this year. Kaylin was about to take her top off and be like, guys, guess what I just got today? Freddy Krueger is a pedophile. It's like, why are you like, I'm a sexy pedophile that has the origin story of being raped by a thousand maniacs.

It's like, we're going to make that sexy? I mean, that's true of a lot of costumes. So many costumes are very problematic. I'm going to be a minion. Sexy minion pedophile. From the spawn of a thousand. No. I went in high school.

My proudest Halloween costume moment was sexy Rasputin. What? How did people? Did you have the beard? You have the beard. I had the beard. I had the beard. Is it just Rasputin with boobs?

I was basically wearing... I was basically just wearing... I borrowed my cousin's revealing clothing. She's a very popular girl, and I borrowed her clothes and then put on a beard and said, I am sexy Rasputin. Because I took Russian history in high school because I fucking suck.

And big hit in my Russian history class. Everyone else was like, what? Go home. One of the scenes I wanted to talk about which we already alluded to. The scene where Ned fakes drowning so that he can be given mouth to mouth by a hot lady. Which is the same. The Sandlot. The Sandlot, yes. We see the same thing happen in that movie.

Do I need to repeat that that's an example of sexual assault? You don't get to just surprise, kiss a woman, or lure them to giving you mouth-to-mouth under false pretenses. Very bad. That is assault. Why do we keep seeing this? And then she reacts. She's like,enses. That is assault. Why do we keep seeing this? And then she reacts. She's like, Ned, no. The same way the reaction

of like, hey, don't shoot me with an arrow. Stop! You little trickster, you. You stink. Don't do that. I don't have value. If you hit me, I'd deal with it.

God. Yeah, that was not good. I mean, every, I feel like every male character has their moment. The guy that is older and we don't know, is he hot? We don't know. I'm going to say not hot.

Mustachioed Steve? Mustachioed Steve. He's, you know, he's like he's like looking to settle down with a child. In his camp. Right. He's like, oh, maybe I should marry one of my campers. He creeps on Alice. He looks at her drawings and she's like, I want you to draw me like one of your French girls.

Also, who keeps their sketch pad next to their home improvement project where they're trying to put the gutters up? That's going to be nasty and dirty. If you have a sketch pad, you care about it. You're not just going to be like, I'm just going to put it next to this hammer. This is another confusing moment for me of like, what is their relationship? Because she said something, he was like, do I really look like that? And she's like, that's what you looked like last night. And I was like, what? their relationship? Because she said something, he was like, do I really look like that? And she's like, that's what you looked like last night. And I was like, what?

Are you guys together? Or was he just like by a campfire saying prayers? We don't know. Sleep on your way through slumber camp. But he's like, you're very talented and you're very pretty. And then he like touches her face in a creepy way and it's like, you you're 30 she's question mark

but let's say i mean she's 26 though so it was confusing but also it's like she's not supposed to be 26 she's supposed to be like i'm pretty sure they're supposed to be teens yeah right but either way it was gross uh i do like that you see different women fixing sinks and putting up a gutter and like i wrote pushing over a stump like often you don't see women doing and it's weird because there are a few examples of like reductive comments like they're steve the the old hot guy no like in the first in his first scene he's whacking a log or whatever it's a stump chopping wood he's whacking a tree with a piece of metal and it's like, oh, this is impressive.

But then they're delegating stuff and Brenda says she'll do something. He's like, no, I want Brenda to paint. And it's like, oh, okay. But it still seemed like in spite of random reductive comments that the work was pretty evenly split. It seemed like it.

Between men and women. And just, I don't know, I was like pleasantly surprised with, I was expecting it to be like egregious, like the female characters in this movie of like way over sexualized. But really everyone in this movie is sexualized. And with the women, it is a little bit more. Especially as the sequels go on. I think in the second or third one, a woman completely disrobes.

You see her puberty region, her pubic hair. Never say puberty region again. Like a pituitary gland? Like, ooh, how'd you get in there? I feel very sick. I can't believe you just said puberty region. Every 30 days, your puberty region. Do you see her pubes? Gorgeous with blood.

That's not her puberty. I'm going to try to talk to my husband about my puberty region. I've got to shave my puberty off. Sometimes when I wear... To please the patriarchy, I must shave off between ages 12 and 15. You know what? I regret nothing that I've said here tonight. So if I have hot flashes and I go through menopause, do I lose my puberty region?

As a real pubes hen, I gotta stand up for the pubes. All right, let's get back on track. Let's hear it for the pubes head, I gotta stand up for the pubes. Alright, let's get back on track. Let's hear it for the pubes. If you identify as a pubes head, please do not email us. Thank you. Okay. You began this. You started this choo-choo.

Choo-choo-choo. Let's use choo-choo as much as possible. Choo-choo-choo-choo. Ma-ma-ma-ma. Yum-yum- choo-choo, ma-ma-ma-ma. Yum, yum, yum, yum. Very on track. On track choo-choo. A point that I think is worth making is that horror movies, especially ones with a bunch of sequels that are like franchises like this one, they are remembered pretty much only for their antagonists

and not their protagonists. Because at least, like I said, I watched the first four. There's always, you don't know who the protagonist is going to be until like the halfway through the movie. But it ends up being a woman each time. Again, the final girl trope. But no one is like, oh, Friday the 13th, you know, starring Alice, our hero. It's always remembered for the villain, which makes sense because they're the through line of the franchise.

But that character is almost always a man, which I don't know if I'm upset that there's the trope that the bad killer is a man. But I don't know. True to life. True to life. But, I don't know, there can be women killers, too. I don't know what point I'm trying to make. Enjoy this movie, monster. Yeah.

Yeah, it was, I appreciate it. And I know that part of this is just, like, a structural, like, for run time, Alice has to be able to defend herself to an extent. But she does take a lot of active role in defending herself and trying to, and, you know, it would have been unrealistic if we saw her really, like, defending herself admirably, because she's a teenager. Right. You know, the stuff she was doing i was like uh you know if you're freaking out i could see doing a weird rope thing sure why not yeah got a rope at first i was like is she going to kill herself that would be wild uh no but she's just like tethering a rope to the doorknob and then like putting a bunch of chairs against the door maybe it's a camping we don't know not checking the back to see if there's an additional door.

Not trying to see if, like, oh, maybe I have maybe I'm trapping myself in the same, you know. Right. But she does her best. She lasts a while. To the end. And she kills Mrs. Voorhees by chopping her head off with a machete. Does it pass the

Bechdel test if a woman chops another woman's head off? Ooh, ooh, here we go. What if she's possessed by her son, though? Ugh. Does she? The loftest test prevails. The woman with the shortest hair is in charge.

That's right. Mrs. Voorhees has pretty short hair. The loftest test. And she is in charge. Still holds up. And so, and of the other... Baldest woman in charge. Alice has the same length of hair, I think. She's got pretty short hair, too. So...

They're both in charge. Your test stands true. But the other two girls, axe in the face and arrow through face? Weighed down. Something. Yeah, we don't know. Well, because... Is it bad that I was like, I kind of wish we saw what happened.

I need closure on my arrows. They didn't have the budget for that special effect. For a big arrow face. But I would have been on board for arrow face. And I would have complained about it. And I've been like, why do we have to see a woman get shot? But I would have been like, you know, I'm glad I saw it. Well, they die because they either have sex or are sexualized in some way.

And there's that weird slut-shamey trope where it's like, if you have sex in a horror movie, you gotta die. Because you have to be punished for your sex crimes. But only one of them had sex. And it was with a long-term boyfriend. In the strip-monopoly scene, Brenda is like, I'm gonna take off all my clothes. So, like, she becomes sexual in some way. Because she's like, tee-hee-hee-hee. Brenda's arrow girl, right?

Yeah. But then it's weird because in the next scene, she's made to be very virginal. Like where I, that was like an interesting where she, you know, like she, it's her idea.

Like let's do strip Monopoly, which still sounds boring. I don't even understand how that would work. It was like, I was like, choose any other game, but yeah. But then she goes back to her cabin and she's in a white gown and she's reading a book and she thinks she's helping a child.

I'm like, this is a weird flip. So there's a little bit of duality. I don't know exactly what the point behind it was. But she did go from whore trope to virgin trope kind of abruptly. And I mean, she dies regardless. But they were both present in that one character, which I was true interesting yeah yeah i didn't think about women can have multiple dimensions i think that they really helped to listen showcase that sexually active women contrary to popular belief can read what and are capable of empathy i know crazy that's

nice choo-choo does this movie pass the bagdoll test it does why really i thought you had to have two ladies have a conversation but the two ladies that have conversations are talking about jason well there's a bunch that if you blink you'll miss them it only has to be a two-line exchange oh okay there's going to be like a whole drawn out scene and marcy had a had a quick they talk about vitamin c what What does vitamin C do? It neutralizes the nitrates or something. I don't know. Oh, I thought I saw something over there.

There's that scene. There's a scene where Brenda and Marcy talk about making salads. Oh, and also hamburgers. That was a funny one. I was just like, do you know how to make an apple pie? It's a rather domestic combo,

but it does pass. Technically pass. Strip Monopoly scene. Alice and Brenda are... Why?...talking at first about, like, a combo but it does pass technically pass strip monopoly scene alice and brenda are why talking at first about like let's play monopoly but you'll like my version because it's strip monopoly but still is also there so it like and they mostly talk to him so i don't know if that scene passes really and then i would argue that the like pretty extended sequence between mrs vorhees and it passes a few different times on like a, a line-to-line basis.

Right. Especially right at first. Because they end up talking a lot about Jason or, like, wait till Mr. Christie comes back. Right. But. They've already killed him. Yeah. Yeah.

So it passes a few different times, surprisingly. I was very surprised. Because I was thinking this was going to be the sort of one where it's like well if it does pass it will pass by the skin of its but this pass is pretty handily so well here's my theory about it oh yes please the theory is that movies like this slasher movies where a bunch of people have to die have to be populated by a bunch of characters and probably at least half those characters have to be women because they have to have sex with the men so that they can be justified in dying via this weird trope that's been established. Very white, very hetero, yeah.

Yes. So there have to be a bunch of women so that they can have sex with all the men. Those women are going to hang out and talk to each other because it's usually like they're a group of friends. They're out vacationing or they're at a camp or whatever setting it is hanging out they're hostile so because of that because there just have to be so many characters who die and a bunch of them have to be women so we can see a bunch of them naked because that's again another trope and what i thought was large underwear but we did get to see bacon butt we did get we saw more male butt than we saw female butt and there was some

close-up of bacon uh packages if that makes any sense because he was wearing like a speedo oh you mean his puberty region yes his his p-reach p-reachege. I'm here for P. Reege. I'm here for P. Reege. That's Regis Philbin. Regis Hagrid. P. Reege. Oh, no. Okay.

So because of that, I would bet that a lot of horror movies, like slasher movies like this, pass the Bechdel test because there's just a bunch of ladies talking to each other before they die. Right. the Bechdel test because there's just a bunch of ladies talking to each other before they die right but I would I would wager that a lot of slasher flicks pass the Bechdel test that's just my prediction as someone who hasn't seen a bunch of them I bet some crummy ones probably don't I would be interested in if any of the final destination movies like stuff like but yeah all that to say I was pleasantly surprised at how handily this movie passed the Bechdel test. Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say before we rate? I did want to say something very weird that Jason was originally supposed to be named Josh. Oh, I love that.

Josh! Like, oh no! Josh, stop! Oh, for Josh! He's just joshing you. He murdered you. You need a two-syllable killer name. Yeah.

Freddy. Jason is Mike. It's too... Mike. Mikey. Jigsaw. Yeah. I don't know.

Leatherface. That's the Caitlin rule. A killer has to have a two-syllable name. I like... Yeah. Josh sounds too much like a cousin Josh stop Stop it Josh

Stop stabbing Josh This sucks man Stop resurrecting Josh you guys Yeah you don't want Josh to come back Come on Josh is a bad boyfriend you had in middle school Stop it Josh Yeah cut it out.

Pay for my milk. With that, let's rate the movie on our nipple scale. We'll rate the movie based on its portrayal of women. I'm going to give it... Ooh, this is a tricky one. This is kind of the first straight-up horror movie we've done. So I'm going to give it two nipples. I do like that the movie passes the bechdel test against all odds i mean it's hard to tell who even the protagonist is until like maybe the second act but then you're like oh it's alice and yeah cool that they gave her

a skill she's good at drawing and she's sort of resourceful. She's also kind of the voice of reason toward the end when like her and Bill are the only ones left alive and she's like, all right, let's call someone. She breaks into the office for help to call someone. Like she does stuff.

She's proactive throughout the movie generally, but just based on all the built-in tropes of horror slasher movies where if you show any sign of sexuality, you're a horrible slut and you deserve to die and stuff like that i think it's not not good i don't like it josh josh so two two nipples and they belong to the dog at the very beginning she's like hey girl oh sorry hey boy because i guess she looked at the dog and saw the dog's cock like what are you doing

annie fully i don't care if this removes me from being an ally to my own gender she's a very she had to die she had to go she go. She was too dumb to live. Okay. Jen, would you care to rate the movie? How many nipples are in it? Five is the max and zero is the minimum. I would say

three nipples, but they're perky nipples. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to say three too for all the same reasons and these nipples. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to say three, too, for all the same reasons. And these nipples are knives. They're just chastely knives. They're so perky that they are sharp. Wonderful.

Cut through glass. Jen, thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you online? I can be found on jensaunderson.com, on the Twitters, at the same name, on Instagram, the same name. Don't look at Snapchat. I'm still trying to figure out how to do that. I don't know. I don't.

It's obnoxious. I hope that by the time we figure it out, it's no longer relevant. I'm really hoping it's fine. I want it to go. I just figured out Instagram. I'm like, I don't have time. I can't do it. I can't do anything.

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