The Bechdel Cast - Ghost with Nicole Byer

Episode Date: July 20, 2017

On this episode, Caitlin and Jamie have passed away, but they're sticking around because they have some unfinished business to tend to, mainly talking about the movie Ghost with their wonderful guest Nicole Byer!(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @nicolebyer on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effin' vast. Start changing it with the Bechdel cast. Hi, welcome to the Bechdel cast. My name's Jamie. My name's Caitlin. Welcome to a very spooky episode of the Bechdel cast. I wanted the confidence to open with a spooky noise, but I did not. Welcome to the Bechdelcast. This is our podcast where we talk about the role of women in movies.

Hey, why is it called the Bechdelcast? Because it's inspired by the Bechdel test. By Mr. Jerry Bechdel. Jerry Tyrone Bechdel. My man. Just kidding. Alison Bechdel developed a test whereby two women in a movie have to talk to each other they have to have names first of all they have to talk to each other their conversation has to be about something other than a man is this too much to ask of any movie usually

yes you wouldn't think so but you think it would just be really easy to write two women into your story and have them talk about a fucking sandwich or something yeah hey nice sandwich thank you my name's carrie my name's carrie done two women named carrie talking about a sandwich that passes one of them one of them spells it c-a-r-y the other one spells it c-a-R-Y. The other one spells it C-A-R-R-I-E. Yeah. But still, this never happened. I don't know why I'm so angry so far, but I have a Mike's Hard Lemonade this episode. You never have a Mike's Hard Lemonade.

I know. We both have one. For the record, I love when people who listen to the podcast tweet pictures of them drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade to us just to check in and be like, hey, we're supporting the brand that you've never received any financial support from. You just happen to be a fan of their product. And to you guys, I say, hey, thank you. Keep enjoying the Mike's brand. I know I will. Keep tweeting at us with your photos. We love it.

Hey, Mike's Hard Lemonade, answer our tweets. Please. Send us a case. Enable us. Anyways, we got a nice, cold Mike's Hard Lemonade in hand. strawberry lemonade baby aristotle was giving us a hard time about it because he was like isn't that the bad flavor and it's like well isn't every flavor the bad flavor of mike's heart lemonade so true tastes like my problematic past speaking of problem. Hey, let's introduce our guest.

Hey, I'm excited to talk about today's movie, and it'll explain the spooky, the failed spooky motif. We did a great job. But hey, before we talk about that, let's introduce our guest. We've got a terrific comedian, very funny lady. You know her from Girl Code on MTV. And she's got cute dogs. Cute dogs. Nicole Byer.

It's me. It's you. I love how the original segue was, speaking of problematic, we have a guest here. I know, it didn't make any sense. I was like, this is a dumb transition. No, I liked it.

And I wish you had an abandonment. I wish you had doubled down and like, this woman's a real. No, I liked it. And I wish you had an abandonment. I wish you had doubled down. I'm like, this woman is a real problem. She got here five minutes late. She's bad. She's not drinking a Mike's Hard lemonade. She is a bad potato. Only because we didn't offer you one.

We're the bad one. No, it's okay. I'm going to go to the gym after this. Oh, you're a better woman than we are. We're literally going to get another mic. That's the plan. So we're talking about the movie Ghost. When did you first see the movie?

I don't remember how old I was, but I assume maybe like eight, maybe seven, maybe six. I was very young. A lot of the things went over my head, but I just loved Whoopi Goldberg. I thought she was so funny in it. And then I loved Patrick Swayze. I was like, oh man, he makes my downstairs quiver. And then I just watched that movie so many times.

Would you say, is it one of your favorites? It's my favorite movie. Your favorite movie of all time. Oh, that's the best. Hell yeah. I love it. I had seen it, I think probably for the first time in college. Remembered the very famous pottery fuck scene. Of course.

Didn't remember much else about it. Many years passed and then I rewatched it again for this episode. And I was like, oh shit, this is a good movie. It's a great movie that would never get made today. Right. Yeah. It is so, it's funny. It's scary.

It's sweet. I love it. It holds up. It does. I was a little nervous because I watched it with my mom, I think, when I was like a young teen, maybe 13 or 14. And I remember loving it and being like maybe i was just a bait but i was like i was a little bit afraid of it but i was also a little bit turned on by it like it has

everything it has everything you could possibly want but rest assured it like it holds up at a pretty major i was like so pleasantly surprised at how much fun it was to watch yeah and if you just analyze it from like storytelling, screenwriting standpoint, it's really well-crafted. You mentioned this movie would never be made today, which, yes, it would not. But also, a movie just came out called A Ghost Story,

starring Rooney Mara and Casey Affleck. Speaking of problematic. Speaking of problematic. Jesus Christ. The logline is, in this singular exploration of legacy, love, loss, and the enormity of existence, a recently deceased white-sheeted ghost

returns to his suburban home to try to reconnect with his bereft wife. Define white-sheeted ghost. Like an old school... That's the movie poster. Oh no. And I bet you it's not a comedy and it should be.

Like a woman turns around in her bedroom and she's like, oh a child ghost trick or treating in my bedroom? Yeah, look up the Is the movie Casey Affleck covered in a sheet for may what is it because that's not the worst I've ever heard I mean I'm all for covering Casey Affleck in a sheet

wherever he may be right wait what is it called a ghost story a ghost story oh man that's bananas hilarious yeah it came out july 7th okay it has 87 on rotten tomatoes oh i just should we go see it honestly maybe we should go see it but roger ebert gave it four out of four i don't buy it he's not even alive wait really yeah it was his website probably i thought siskel was dead. Are they both dead? They're both dead now. Oh, no.

Who's reviewing movies? No one. Who's the other guy? We are. Who's the guy? Roper. Oh. Roper.

Al? No. Al Roker. Oh, fuck. I really confused the two people. Who's Roper? Roper. He replaced Siskel when Siskel died.

Oh. So who replaced Ebert no one oh you can't replace Ebert I wonder if they're like arguing in heaven like

how come I got replaced and you didn't I'm irreplaceable but he sings it like that song to the left to the left I'm irreplaceable

dude irreplaceable every time I hear irreplaceable it reminds me of my freshman in high school history teacher because that was when that song came out. She would try to connect with us by asking us to pass all our homework to the left, to the left, and then would turn the song on while we would pass our homework. What an awful job. What a terrible job.

You have to try to, like, she sat at home and was like, how can I get through to, Beyonce! Beyonce will help me teach the love of science! Now I just need to develop a lesson plan that involves the left! Oh, how sad. Shout out to Miss McCray. You did your best. She did her best. Anyway, Jamie, when did you first see this movie?

I saw it when I was probably around the miss mccray era my mom sometimes would just choose a summer night to show us one of her weird horny movies this was one of them that she'd had on cassette and then she's like jamie i think that because she knew that i had a thing for patrick swayze and she for some reason was like that's good because you and patrickwayze have the same birthday. And my mom believes, fun fact about my mom, she thinks everyone who has the same birthday shares a part of each other's soul. Yes! So she believed, because Patrick Swayze was alive at the time, she believed that Patrick Swayze and I had an August 18th connection and that I should see the movie.

And I saw it and I loved it. So me and Michael Jackson have a connection. We were both born on August 29th. Yeah. Both of your birthdays are coming up pretty soon. Are you a Leo or a Virgo? I'm a Leo. Oh, I'm a Virgo.

I've been wronged by Virgos in the past. Uh-oh. Well, I'll push you down the stairs. Don't worry. Let's keep the trend going. On my way out, I'm just like your leg will splinter out of your body

just like in The Beguiled just like oof god I haven't seen The Beguiled that doesn't pass the Bechdel test

does it um I don't remember it was such a terrible movie that I've blocked it from memory it's a wild movie

right it's like set during the Civil War and there's no black people yep the's yep yeah the sofia coppola the sofia coppola in the original version it's just like way more interesting and better and it's not all white people well it shouldn't be the silver war era was like in virginia pretty heavily black i mean granted we were in the background picking up things but like just, just put us in there. Yeah, no, Sofia Coppola's like, I don't know how, so it's

only gonna be white blondes. Yeah, Sofia Coppola gave us all the shrug, and she was like, we don't know. Wait, did she really? Was she, like, asked about it? Yeah, I mean, she very intentionally wrote out the only black character in the original version. Whoa! Yeah, she's on notice. She's on notice. Wow! Yep.

So she, like, had a, a like a thought in her brain and she was like oh i'll just get rid of that problem her i mean her excuse was like well i don't know how to write a black character it's like well then talk to someone do your job but also dummy all you have to do if they're not speaking in like the language of the time you just cast a black person in that part. Do you know what I'm saying? If she didn't know how to write slave talk, and if nobody else is speaking the way they spoke back then,

you just write that character the way you write the white people and then cast a black person. That's like when people are like, I don't know how to write women. Just write a man and then change his name from Jason to Allison and then you have a woman. You did it. Congratulations. Very easy. Everyone is horny

and tortured regardless. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Sofia Coppola is on notice. She's on notice. Oh, boy. But let's talk about

the movie Ghost instead because Ghost is a fun movie that doesn't suck the way The Beguiled does. Yeah. So, I'll do the recap of Ghost.

Molly. Molly Jensen. Molly Jensen. Molly Jensen. Is married to Sam Wheat. They're not married yet. Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. They never get married.

They never get married. Spoiler. Oh, no. Because he dies first. Because he ghosts on her. Yeah, he ghosted her. The ultimate ghosting. The ultimate ghosted her.

But then, like, hung around. Yeah. He's like every fucking man of now right like I don't want to be together but I'm gonna stare at you and I'm gonna

follow your every move I'm just gonna watch you I'm gonna gaslight you and if another man comes in your house I'm gonna scare him away and follow him home

I'm gonna learn how to kick a can I'm a man I'm mad I think we pretty much already recapped it love the kick a can

scene the whole montage where he learns how to be a better ghost I think we pretty much already recapped it. Love the kick a can scene. The whole montage where he learns how to be a better ghost. Oh, I love it. Such a great montage. Honestly, if someone knows how to do this, please put that whole sequence together with Mulan's Make a Man, that song. I'll make a man out of you. I would really love it.

There's also just like, okay, i know that we didn't even get one sentence into the recap but there's so many fun one scene character actors in this movie the hospital ghost who presumably hangs out and waits for other ghosts no he's waiting for his wife to die yeah oh does he is that what he meant by that okay because then he just watches a man die on the surgery table and it's like yeah that's gonna happen you're just like thank you so much and then there's the scary subway ghost oh my god that guy is incredible what a face what a face on that one flew over the cuckoo's nest he's perfect yes he is you I jumped? You don't believe me? They pushed me! Which I guess...

Oh, the thing where he goes, I'd do anything for a drag. Oh, and just one more drag. Who are you? Who sent you? Who sent you? It's my... I love it.

And then he commits suicide again! Jumps right onto that train. But this time he's dead. Ugh, I love it. Oh, he... Oh, wait, do you want to do the dead. I love it. Oh, wait. Do you want to do the... I'm so sorry.

No, I'll do it really fast. So Molly and Sam are together. They live in this nice new huge fucking apartment in New York City. How do they afford it? Well, he's a rich banker. Fine. They're out one night and they get mugged and he gets murdered and they think it's just like a random killing.

And his spirit stays behind. He's a ghost now, but Molly can't see him. So he goes to a psychic, Otome Brown, played by Whoopi Goldberg, and he starts to figure out that this murder was actually like an intentional.

But first, Whoopi is a psychic who's faking it the whole time. Right. So then Patrick Swayze, Samhuit, is giving audio commentary like, give me a break. And then she's like, who is that? Huh? And her sisters are like, what's happening?

And then he's like, say my name, Samhuit. Say my name, Samhuit. And then she's like, ah. And then she runs into a closet. She goes, Samhuit. And then she goes, Samhuit. And then her sisters go some wheat her sisters they're so funny they're so oh no she's talking to a white man again we gotta call

the doctor it's so funny it's great so he goes to her to try to because it turns out that she can actually like communicate with the dead the spirits who have walked the earth. She has a crazy backstory. The more you learn about Otome, you're just like, this woman has lived a very interesting life. Yeah. So he goes to her to be like, can you communicate to Molly for me? Because I got to warn her that she's in danger because he starts to figure out that he was set up and he was murdered intentionally because his friend, Carl.

Ooh, Carl was so hot. Carl? Oof. Carl? I suppose. He takes his shirt off. He's shirtless a lot in this movie. I love Tony Goldwyn.

I had my sexual awakening watching this movie. But then Otome Brown goes to Molly after Molly doesn't answer and then she's talking to Molly and then Sam's like, tell her she's in danger. And she's like, I'll tell her in my own way. She goes, Molly, you in danger, girl. It's another

favorite line reading of mine. It's so good. It took me a while. It took me like till midway in the movie. I'm like, oh my god, it's Fitz from Scandal. And then I got horny. Wait, he plays the president. Yes, he's the president

on Scandal. Tony Gowen knows how to age. Tony Gowen is a badass, beautiful man. He knows how to age. I saw him once in the airport and I almost died. I don't get starstruck and I don't think I was. I was just like, I don't want to open my pussy on your dick. I don't get starstruck. And I don't think I was. I was just like, I don't want to open my pussy on your

dick. I just love him. Oh, God. He was great. You do get to see him shirtless, which I forgot if you did in this movie. And I was like, well, thank God. You do, because he spills the coffee on himself. Because I think he's trying to seduce

Molly, but I don't understand why he's trying to seduce Molly. Oh, no't understand why he's trying to seduce Molly. Oh, no, that is diabolical. No, it's to get her on his side. It's villain shit. So if Odomay says anything, she's already slept with him, so she feels an allegiance to him. That's so fucked up.

And I can't believe I've watched that movie a hundred times and just now understand that. I feel very dumb. No, I mean, it's not super explicit perfect thank you I feel better he's a manipulative that's what it is to me but turns out he is a bad guy

he's trying to he hired Willie Lopez to not murder Sam Wheat just steal his bank book with like codes in it cause he's laundering money. But then Willie Lopez couldn't get it, so Willie Lopez accidentally kills him. So then they're having a conversation.

He's like, you murdered a man. He's like, I did you one for free. Well, because, yeah, and at first I was feeling for Willie Lopez, but then at the end you find out when you see Willie Lopez go to hell, all the blood rises from the floor, and it's like, oh, this man has killed. And that's why he's got that bear claw tattoo. It's like a teardrop tattoo taken to the next level. Fun fact, Willie Lopez, I cannot remember his actual, his like real life name, but he's a comic.

He was a stand up comedian. Rick Gavillas? Yes. Whoa. Yeah, he was a stand up and he was like pretty funny. I watched a couple of clips. Hell yeah. Good for Willie.

Interesting. His Wikipedia. But he did. Oh yeah, he died a stand-up, and he was pretty funny. I watched a couple clips. Hell yeah. Good for Willie. But he did. Oh, yeah, he died in 95. His Wikipedia picture is just a picture of him from Ghost. Is it? Yeah, it's literally like Rick Avila's, but also Willie Lopez. Oh, that looks like the picture from when he's looking in the mirror when Sam Wheat makes it all foggy and writes boo.

I literally have seen this movie so many times. That was one of the things that stood out to me. That scene when like Willie is like basically going through a series of rooms before he's hit by three cars at once. But they're like the practical effects in this movie are really good. They're really great. Like shit flying off the walls and the boo. And you're just like, fuck, this is like really,

this is a well done ass movie it was scary I remember like that freaked me out when I was little the beginning scares me when they cause they're in

the new apartment they're renovating it and it's Carl Molly and Sam and they're like hitting through this thing and then like

as like light happens a big noise happens and I still I'm like oh and it's not the scariest part of the movie. No, but I get it. It's like, and it's kind of like foreshadowing too.

Yeah. So he goes to Otome. Otome is like your dead boyfriend. Sam Weed is communicating to you through me and here's everything he's saying. And at first she doesn't believe Otome. And then she starts to come around. She's like, hey, maybe. But then meanwhile, Carl is manipulating her

into being like, actually, no, you're crazy. You're not here. Like, ghosts aren't real. And then they start to just piece more and more things together. And she goes to the police. She goes to the police. They don't believe her. They don't believe her.

And that woman said, honey, if ghosts are watching me every day, I'd never take a shower again. And then walks away, and I was like, You cunt. You are so rude. Which is technically a scene that, by our rules, passes the Bechdel test. Well, she doesn't have a name. Yeah, she's just an officer. You're right.

She's not given a name. Well, we'll get there later. One of the coolest things about this movie for me was the fact that, like, in most movies, it's very hard to identify what everyone's motivation is at every point in the movie. But for this, like, every main character is super motivated in a way that makes a ton of sense. Like, down to the fact that Patrick Swayze low-key kind of blackmails Whoopi Goldberg into continuing to work with him. And she has stuff at stake. And Demi Moore has stuff at stake and demi more has stuff

at stake because she i mean everyone around her is saying something different and it would be so easy to just write her character as like this lady's grieving and she thinks ghosts are real but like she's taking in all the information and doing the best she can she's being gaslighted by tony freaking goldwyn and like It's just, every character has a very specific, it's so well done. Each scene is like a sketch because each character has a game and everyone plays

their game and it's like, if this is true what else is true? All of Otome Brown's scenes, to me are sketches. They heighten perfectly and you blow out the world and you get out and then like the next scene heightens what she's doing. So like when I learned

how to write sketches, I would watch Ghost a lot because I was like, these are perfect. Like especially when they're in the bank and Sam Weed is whispering to Odomay

and she's like, why are you whispering? That is such a funny specific because like she remembers she is talking to a ghost and has to do like X, Y. It's my favorite movie. No, you're right, though.

Like if you just isolate every scene, it's just like every scene serves a purpose. Yeah. It heightens. Well, yeah, everything is just a very well crafted story. I'm kind of upset with myself that I didn't like revisit it sooner and pay more attention to it. It works on every level. Mm-hmm. And the romance is really good and I get it.

And I love that Demi Moore sort of, I mean, for the most part, immediately before he dies, granted, but basically proposes to Patrick Swayze. And it's like, hey, I don't have any jewelry on me, but I think we should get married. You know, and that's like... I want to talk about that scene. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, yeah. I think the recap is done. He's a ghost. He's a ghost.

He gets murdered in a billowy burgundy shirt that he has to wear for the rest of his life. How many shirts? Tucked into his pants. Yeah, what happens to the world if he untucks? I don't know. It would explode. Or maybe he untucks and then it magically goes back in.

That's the way he died. Like in the Santa Claus where he shaves off his beard and his white beard grows right back. I love that the schizophrenic subway ghost is like, your shirt's not real. Your body is not real. But he references the shirt specifically. And it's like, thank you. I've been thinking about this shirt a lot. I mean, what a great outfit to dye in.

For sure. Yeah. He wore it to the play. They went to go see Macbeth. Macbeth. Another great. Yeah, and he fell asleep and he was snoring. But anyway, so yeah, he finally convinces Otome to help Molly talk to the thing,

and they figure all the thing out and the mystery the murder gets solved and then all the bad guys die and then uh finally Sam's spirit can ascend Molly it's amazing the love inside you get to take it with you and then he goes up to heaven I was weeping it's really touching it really is and there was and and this was while I was weeping. It's really touching. It really is. And this was while I was watching the movie, because I love Swayze. We, after all, share each other's soul in a way, in an August 18th sense. But I did pause it at one point because every time I watch the scene between Patrick Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg, I'm like, oh, for sure they were real life friends. Like, you can just.

Yes, that's how she got the job. Patrick Swayze was like, I won't do this movie unless Whoopi Goldberg does this movie. Yeah. Then I read some article that Tina Turner was like one of the original choices. And then they referenced Tina Turner in the movie. But I don't know how true that is. I didn't get that. I started reading.

I looked up and this is like slightly morbid. I'm like, I bet Whoopi goldberg had a great tearful public appearance after patrick swayze's death and i watched what she said several days after on the view and it was check it out youtube.com youtube.com i've never been to that website uh it's a new cool thing there's some up-and-comers on it just short clips of your favorite song history and time. I better get on it. It's pretty cool.

It's pretty cool. Whoopi Goldberg basically credits quite a bit of her success to Patrick Swayze's vouching for her. Yeah, she won a fucking Oscar for it. Right, right. And then became a legitimate movie star. And I can't think of another bankable black movie star like that. I mean, she's she's one of a kind in every but i didn't realize the role swayze had and man and she also said fun fact

that swayze loves to moon his co-stars oh no i missed out oh no she's like whenever she was saying like she cited a specific scene where it's her and Swayze, and the shots are back and forth between a tight shot on her and a tight shot on him. And she's like, whenever it was a shot on just me, Swayze was off on the side, mooning me, making me laugh. What a goofball. What a warrior. Rest in paradise.

And you're just like, fuck. They were good friends. That's all. I love it. That makes me so happy. Me too. Because they have such a great chemistry friends. That's all. I love it. That makes me so happy. Me too. Because they have such a great chemistry together. It's so good.

It's so much fun to watch them together. I don't know. It makes me feel like a kid to be like, oh, man, I hope they're really friends in real life. But it made me so happy that they were really friends in real life. But, okay, I wanted to talk about that scene where she effectively proposes to him. It's right before he gets murdered, which is just more great writing. Tight storytelling. I never get a chance to get married.

But she's like, I want to marry you. I've been thinking about it a lot, and I think we should just do it. And he's like, well, you never wanted to talk about it. So the implication is that maybe he proposed or maybe he was just like hey are we gonna get married like what's going on and she's like well no like which i like because so often in movies and just society in general this idea is put forth that if you're in a hetero relationship women are just like i can't wait to get married i want to get married so much and i can't wait till it happens i just want to i have to sit around and wait till he asks me and i can't wait to get married i want to get married so much and i can't wait till it happens i just want to uh i have to sit around and wait till he asks me and i can't wait for

that day because it's gonna be the best day of my life and just so i like that she was the one who was like actually i don't want to talk about it it's not important to me right now and then finally it was on her terms where she's like okay she's like i thought about it and i'm ready yeah yeah i think molly is you can like write her off as like just like this whiny, sad widowed woman, but like she's pretty complex. She's got short hair, which is like-

The baldest woman is in charge. The loftiest rule. And then she has her own business. She's like a pretty successful sculptor. She wears masculine clothing. She wears like overalls and stuff, but then she has like a soft feminine side and then she proposes to her boyfriend yeah like i i like her character i like that she and

then like the fact that she did go to the police to talk about a ghost takes a lot of balls to be like well i mean i don't know this shit seems true let me fucking figure this out and she was like totally aware of how crazy she sounded she's like like, I know this sounds so stupid, but like, you've got to hear me out. And it was also the way that the scenes between her and Otome and we'll get to also Patrick Spacey play out was also believable in that she does not respond to Otome the first time because that was probably scary and confusing. But then eventually, I mean, that seemed like a realistic betrayal of grief of like, okay, there's been enough specifics and like, what do I have to lose by just listening to this person a little bit?

And that sort of is like, and even down to like the shirtless Tony Goldwyn, the deceiver, that's a very common, and that was something that, and not to get personal, but like that was something that and not to get personal but like that was something that resonated with me specifically of like the deceased man's best friend trying to look out for not quite the widow but basically the widow of his best friend i feel like that's sort of a

normalized thing of like well if his friend can't take care of her then you know he'll take care of her and i think that that's a creepy thing. And the reason that my Uncle Butch is in my life, and I hate Uncle Butch. But he's the Tony Goldwyn, except a liar and not hot. Oh, no. But anyways,

but it was even realistic how those scenes played out between the two of them of like, you know that Demi Moore's character has really isolated herself from people. And Tony Goldwyn's one of the only people she really trusts and has a connection with because she knew. And so even the fact that they might have hooked up

if Patrick Swayze hadn't deployed his ghost powers. Knocked over a picture of himself. Right. Remember me! Oh, and then also, Carl is pushing molly so hard to like get over it i feel like that happens a lot when a loved one passes away the people around you are like you have to move on it's like well and i like that she like slapped him at one point and she was like no carl and it was like yeah carl let her fucking grieve even though though I know that you murdered her boyfriend. But if you hadn't, let her grieve.

You'd still be wrong, even if you were a murderer. Yeah. Oh, I'd like to propose a new movie rule that I noticed in this movie. The man in the loosest khakis is up to something. Because Patrick Swayze, who in their right mind would put a pair of loose khakis on Patrick Swayze? He's got the butt. The best butt. The butt of the century.

So he's in tight pants the whole time. Oh. But Tony Goldwyn, they like to put him in looser khakis. Oh, did they? Yeah. I guess I got to go back and pay attention to that. You know what scene I really love? The elevator scene in the beginning.

It's like towards the beginning. They're like in the elevator. They talk about how Carl needs to pay off his Mustang. They get in the elevator and then he starts coughing and he's like, the doctor says it's contagious. And I do that often. Really? In elevators?

I won't do sickness, but when I'm in an elevator with my roommate, I'll look at him and I'll go, why won't you just have a baby with me? And he goes, now is not the time. And I'm in an elevator with my roommate, I'll look at him and I'll go, why won't you just have a baby with me? And he goes, now is not the time. And I'm like, please, when is the time to talk? John, I love you. And then he always feeds into exactly what I want,

even though he doesn't mean to. He'll be like, I'm never taking an elevator with you again. And I'm like, why are we fighting? And he's like stop it and then people are always like oh no oh my god that's very funny that's a great scene because it's basically it's like it uses a diversion so that we won't suspect yes carl is this evil malicious they're showing how close they are the movie is really well written and very well executed. Yeah.

It's a great movie. I was blown at how many different points I'm like, wow, I forgot that part happened. And that's so smart. Right. Because every scene has a purpose. That never happens. Right. Never.

Well, it's so famous for the pottery fuck scene, which actually makes me furious. But it's so horny. It's so horny. She's sculpting a vase, if you will, out of clay, and he puts his hand into it and fucks it up,

and she's just like, ha ha ha, it's okay. He does say, I hope that wasn't a masterpiece. But I feel like she did a good job of being like, huh, well, it's not now. Yeah.

Because she does get a little terse with him, and I was like, oh, well it's not now. Because she does get a little terse with him and I was like, oh, I like that. That's like a real relationship. I would have like elbowed him in the face and been like, fuck you, you ruined But then you wouldn't get to fuck. When I was little, I was like, why aren't their hands dirty? How did they, did they

clean? Did they wash off? Well, that's what makes me furious. So they get all, they get all, I know. I know, but I just, well, no one wants to see a tense scene of Patrick Swayze and Jimmy Moore washing their hands. And they're like, we're gonna fuck soon! Alright. Even before that, when they're like getting their hands all dirty, I just, and it's supposed

to be very hot because they're running their hands on each other and getting each other more clayed up. To me, that's so gross. I think sex should be in a sterile environment, in a white room. Oh, Kaylee. To me, that's so gross. I think sex should be in a sterile environment in a white room. Oh. Kaylee, we're not all

going to fucking pods. Come on. Unchained melody playing while their little fingies are touching. Their little fingies. In fact, I think no part of two people's bodies

should touch during sex except for their genitals. I think people should just be far apart. Just arms out and just thrusting and receiving. Yes, that is how I think sex should be. So this scene depicts really gross sex. I asked my old roommate Evan to take my virginity,

and he said, okay, and he's gay. And I was like, okay, but I don't want you to touch me because that might change our relationship. So I was like, I will wear a crotchless leotard or like a snap crotch leotard. And you can enter me that way. But do not touch my titties and do not touch my face and don't kiss me. We didn't end up having sex because I had too many rules. He was like, I can't just like do my thing.

And I was like, no absolutely not you were for the best there yes yes it was definitely for the best it would have been fun for either one of us you'd been like I wish you were a man I'd be like I wish you were a straight man who loved me well uh anyway everyone has their rules that that uh the the part where The part where he says, I hope that wasn't a masterpiece, did make me laugh, because I was trying to, in my head,

I'm like, what if she was an oil painter, and he just was like, I hope it wasn't a masterpiece. Would you like to fuck me? I mean, that's with any creative job. Imagine she was doing a stand-up show, and he walked on stage and was like, I hope you weren't

trying to have a good set. Yeah. Or if she was a surgeon. He just came in and just stuck his hand in a body. Hope this wasn't a casualty. He heckled her pottery. But, okay, here's a plot hole

that does bother me. He passes away. It seems like he's pretty well off. He's doing well in his profession. There's a promotion on the table, etc. They just move into this really nice apartment. Are we to expect Anna Potter's salary? She can afford this apartment by herself.

Life insurance. And then they do packages when people die. They give you a bunch of money to loved ones when you have a good job. And then if they had like sold any assets, so like if they each owned a home and sold it or whatever, she would get the money from his house. So it could work. Yes, absolutely.

Okay, cool. Yeah, dead people with good jobs usually take care of you. Okay, because I was like, I didn't want her to move, but I was just like, how valuable is this pottery? That's a great apartment. They live in New York and she has a studio. Also, remember, it's the 80s. Or the early 90s.

Early 90s, I think. 92? 90. And he works in finance in some way, so we're to believe he has money. He has money. Okay, that brings up a point I wanted to talk about. He never offers to nor pays Whoopi Goldberg's character for all of her services.

No. He should be like, can you... But aren't they on a mutual kind... I mean, no, a ghost can't pay you. But he could have been like, hey, Molly, throw her a bone. But I think she's going to be fine because she can hear ghosts and she can charge more. I suppose. Because remember when he goes back and she was like, I got ghosts from New Jersey coming in.

Yeah. And then that woman was just like, where's the money? And then that man jumps in her body. What did you do to your hair? Do you like it? It's autumn sunrise. That was so good. I wrote that one down. It's very funny. That was so good. I wrote that one down.

It's very funny. But I think she, because he did help her. He showed her that she can speak to dead people. So then she will always be busy. And she can charge so much money. Sure. I think that he should have offered to pay. Especially because he kind of teases her with like, you're going to get $4 million.

He doesn't tease her. He didn't know how much money he was murdered for. He just knew it was money. So then when, that's why when the guy goes, oh, you're taking out four million dollars, and she goes, four million dollars? Say yes, say yes. How would you like that?

Tears in 20s. Excuse me? A cashier's check. I think a Cassius check is best. I love it. Also her outfit that whole scene is like ah. It's perfect. She's like you don't like my outfit. He's like no I love it. It's great. Don't change. Nicole I want to see your one woman show where you just reenact the entire movie of Ghost.

I mean, if they ever do a remake and I am not cast in it, I will literally end my life. I love it so much. I just got overwhelmed. Well, I mean, and also we haven't talked about Odomi's first outfit with the fun when her sister opens, oh, no one's in the door. And then they open,

and Whoopi is in a metallic robe. An orange metallic thingy. Or no, is it bronze? Or is it like... Or maybe the closet is orange. Maybe. But she's in a metallic, like golden, orangish robe.

And then does this amazing... Oh, God. And then Patrick Swayze, as most scenes in the movie, lurking. Patrick Swayze really mastered a resting expression in this movie. Resting lurk face. Yeah, but in a way that was very, you're like, you know, he really is listening. He really is listening in that beautiful burgundy shirt. Billowing. Very bill shirt. Billowing.

Very billowing. Billowing. So we talked a lot about Molly being a pretty complex character. She's a little boring, especially when you compare her to Oda Mae. She is to everybody else in the movie. She's working with a lot. Growing up, I'd be like, ugh, Molly. But then as I got older, i was like oh no she was literally dealing with the love of her life dying and trying to figure out this woman who says she can hear him and then a best friend who's like

it's okay come on touch my body and you know it's a lot and she's got a new house it's a lot she's dealing with so much true And she continues working. Also, they renovated it. It was just like an empty space. So I'm sure they got it very cheaply. Great time to die, Swayze. Renovating is stressful. Yeah, I was not particularly impressed by her.

Because everything she does in the context of what happens in the story makes sense and her reactions pretty much universally make sense to me but things are usually happening to her versus her doing things like she goes to the police but that doesn't really yield anything it's mostly we i feel like most scenes we see with her she's receiving information right so it's like how you know which makes sense because she's not really sam wheat's the protagonist of this story it makes sense that he's the one driving the story so the fact that she does pretty much anything that influences anything is sure good because often women in a story are just there as a set piece, really.

Just, oh, I look hot and I'm here to look at. And that's all I have to contribute to this story. The women in this movie are treated well, I think. I think so, too. I think they're well-written and they serve a purpose. Like, even that cop being so nasty sets the tone of how Oda Mae is going to be treated in that scene. Because then the other cop is like, we have her file.

And it's like, oh, oh no. And then it makes the audience even start to... Well, not even doubt because we know what's happening. But then you're like, oh shit, this may not work out because Odomay has a record and Willie Lopez is clean. We understand why Molly then might start to question her own reality of what's happening. So it's like fuck. So it's like really

a great victory when she starts to believe Odomay again. Because we see she used to fake ID she's a con artist. Everything makes sense. We're so horny for this movie. It's such a good movie I can't remember who I just watched it with

but they were like yup holds up yeah it does I have some some fun behind the scenes facts about ghosts

ooh tell me I wonder if I know them so in terms of possible casting Demi Moore's character could have been Julia Roberts

no right which would have made sense for the time but thank God. Harrison Ford was the original pick. No. But then, and this really brings the view in

and brings Whoopi back, you know, but I guess the director, or the writer, I forget exactly which, saw an interview with Patrick Swayze where he openly cried about the death of his father and they were like, wow, what a hot man being sad in public. We've got to have him as Sam Wheat. And so that's how Patrick Swayze got the part.

And then Patrick Swayze, I guess Oprah was the original pick for Odomay. And they really wanted her. But Patrick Swayze was like, you've got to cast Whoopi. And then Whoopi had this amazing career. Oprah would have been just so different. I don't know if that role would have been funny. Right. I don't think so.

And that's the thing is, I did not realize, because I just didn't have like, I didn't recognize the name, but the, I feel like the reason that Whoopi works so well in this movie and is like directed so well, and that this movie has so many funny moments,

is because it's the same director as Airplane and the gun oh so i didn't know there's like just like a bunch of famous older comedy movies yeah um what a versatile director that guy who directed it uh jerry oh jerry zucker jerry zucker yes yeah and then robert zemeckis i think was a producer on it he was involved and he did a back to Future, which is another favorite movie of mine. Mine too. It's a wild movie. It's my all-time favorite movie. I just watched it last night.

Really? I watched that. There's like five movies that I will watch forever. I can do what you're able to do with Ghost, basically reciting the entire script all the dialogue i can do that with back to the future such a great movie another very well-crafted story is it it's a wild story well the first one like there's so much plant and payoff in that story and just like every little detail gets paid off later on like Like it's so. I like the third one better than the second one.

Honestly, the second one kind of sucks. I like the second half of the second. The second half of the second one is good because when he goes back to 1950 and then the wild, wild last, that's fun. I like it.

That was, that was a fun little romp. Yeah, I go, it goes one, three, two for me. Fair.

I've got another fact about Ghost. Please, please tell us. This is fun and sort of speaks to what we were talking about earlier of just write a female character. Originally, Odomay was written as a white male psychic character. Yuck! The first draft of this movie. Why? Right, right.

Ew! I don't think I've ever met oh no that's a lie well no he read my tarot cards but like he was really i don't i've never had a straight guy read my cards weird yeah in new orleans it was very strange that is yeah how did he fall into that it was very bad i handed him all the tarot cards upside down somehow because he was like hand them to me any way you want so i twisted a bunch of them around and he went huh i don't know what that means and i was like you're bad at this you're very bad at your job they're straight men should not be allowed to read cards no first of all they just shouldn't honestly you shouldn't be allowed to do anything in society they're on notice let's

ban them from goodbye apparently otome was written as a white male character, and then the writers of Stand By Me, for some reason, there was some sort of conversation. You mean that movie was almost exclusively straight white men? You know, suggestions come from strange places sometimes. But they suggested, hey, that's an interesting character. What if it was a woman? And then the writer wrote Otomeome and the world was better off.

So it's really not that difficult. And in fact, usually your output will benefit from another good female character. Do you think Molly and Otome Brown retain a friendship and go, remember that ghost? Okay. Do you remember when your fiancé haunted us? The Molly Odomay scene that we as an audience don't get to see. Oh, man. Where is that?

I would love to watch that. You mean the one where Odomay lets Sam use her body and then they like dance and I think kiss, right? No. Almost. I mean, right? No. Almost. But they're, I mean, it's intimate. It's very intimate. It's very intimate. But you get the beginning with Oda Mei's red fingernails as they like intertwine.

So you know that this is the deal. Like it's not just like they're closing their eyes. Like they're making physical contact and then cut to, and the scene that I like very clearly remembered was like you know like swayze into me reuniting and it's beautiful and you're crying but you just gotta know that's really whoopi goldberg that whoopi is the one and then you see at the end of that scene there's a very quick shot of them you know because then tony goldwyn's like hey i'm about to die and and then you see them, like, physically separate.

So you're like, oh, that all happened. Yeah. Why not just intercut some of it for us? Right. And I was like, oh, yeah, Whoopi and Demi are the same height. How did it work? How did she nestle her sweet little head? You got to just suspend that disbelief.

Oh, I want to see it. I did want to see that, though. Well, that brings up another point where men are always trying to control women's bodies. They're always trying to enter you. And the scene,

she gives him consent. She gives him consent. She does, but earlier she did not give consent. Orlando did not get consent. That, no. Orlando! Do you like my hair?

Oh, God, I forgot his name was Orlando. Orlando, you can't hair oh god I forgot his name was Orlando Orlando you can't be jumping into bodies you know that wipes you out I love that's a rule

that this movie establishes yeah when they follow it and it pays off later on cause then Sam's like I'm too tired to go and fight

and then those girls get in trouble but then you hear and he like pushes Carl up. And then all the ghosts. I liked in that big scene where, where suddenly Odomay is an actual psychic.

And now she's, there's like a million people in her room. All the ghosts are friends. And they all know each other. But then there's weird, like, it's just like the regular world where there's like the scary schizophrenic guy

who hangs out at the tracks. But there's also a community that you can hang out in. Like, there's all sorts of people. Here's a question, and I don't know

the answer. It's not a trick. Are there any female ghosts in the movie? Oh. I mean, we see a lot of dead husbands. Dead husbands, yeah.

Yeah, I, yes. It's kind of hard to tell in that scene which ones. Yes, because at Sam Wheat's funeral, he sees a ghost who walks through the grave. Right, right, right. And then when she tells all the ghosts to get out, I believe I saw someone in a skirt walk through the wall. That's, yes.

But there are no real female ghosts who have a effect on the movie. they don't have lines they don't get they don't get orlando moments i mean i'm glad orlando because that was like one of my that made me laugh really hard when well i was annoyed that he like without whoopi's permission enters her body which is like can we call it rape maybe but not ghost but ghost roles are confusing which i always wanted are confusing the i loved that i love the first time that patrick swayze someone like walks through him with his with their guts and you're like no patrick swayze can see poorly rendered 1990s body animation what a curse i forgot that happened and I love that he was so scared

to go through he'd be like oh no oh no and then he leaps through the door and he's like and he like

looks back at the door and he's like yeah dude you're a fucking ghost what don't you get and then when he goes to the turnstile

for the first time and he like stops and like looks back and he's like you're a ghost keep going he's new

he doesn't know the rules it's so funny he lives with wonder every single time or yeah whenever he sticks his head through something he's new he doesn't know the rules so funny every single time or yeah whenever he sticks his head through something he's like is it safe yeah and he's like you're a goddamn ghost you are fine you're fine there's a lot of great swayze reaction shots in this there when he finds oh when he finds out carl is betraying him the first time. I thought you were my friend. Right. But first that long shot of just Swayze's eyes watering. But I thought friendship was forever.

It was so beautiful. Oh, this movie is so fun. I love Willie Lopez. Some woman knows where you live. A lot of women know where I live. Can we talk about the climactic sequence at the end whenever carl's like banging on the door he breaks in sam is all weak because he's just been inside of otome and then molly and otome are kind of like left to fend for themselves for a few minutes and they go up to the roof

and there's a moment where Molly tackles Carl when yeah like Carl's kind of attacking Otome Molly attacks him kind of Otome gets away but then he holds

a gun to Molly's head then Sam needs to save her it always bugs me when a man needs to save a woman because it's a trope that happens again

and again yes but I do think those women were smart enough that they could have saved themselves, if given enough time. Yeah, I think so. I think so, too.

I think they could have figured something out because I do think they were strong women. But yes, then Sam comes and he flicks the gun away and then he pushes Carl. And then, I mean, Carl kind of kills himself. He does because he flings that thing. He fl flings that hook, and it hits the window, and then the glass falls down and impales him. And then his little fingy wipes down the window,

and he's like, ugh. His death is, like, hilariously gruesome. It's very gruesome. That was what most scared me the first time I saw it. Like, Carl's, I remember having dreams about it, because it was so, it's, I remember having dreams about it, because it was so... It's weird with this movie, because they do, like, get a shit and a fuck in there

every once in a while that they don't need to, and they don't need to impale him like that, but I'm so glad that they do. No, but I'm glad they did. Yeah. And then when he, like, comes up from his dead body, and he's like, hey, Sam. And it's like, what?

You can't... No, you know what just happened right we're not cool no you guys can't be friends now you're both dead and he's like oh carl and then the little demon the little dementors yeah those things scared me when i was little i was like i hope they don't get me in my bed yeah Yeah, yeah. They're just little dementors. Yeah. Then they make that noise. Yeah.

And my favorite part is when Willie Lopez gets hit by three cars and then they like show him dead and then you hear in the background,

that dude is dead. And it's obviously an extra who is just like, someone needs to say it. I'm going to say it. I'll say it. And he probably said it every take. And someone probably was like, hey, man, don't say that again. But then they saw the dailies and were like, oh, no, that's great. We have to keep it in.

You know what? This guy's getting his SAG card today. I was just going to say, you probably got your SAG card from that. That dude is dead. He went from being a featured extra to a fucking speaking role. Yeah. It's good for him. Perfect.

Can we talk about how... Okay, so it's implied in the movie that cats can see or sense ghosts. Because Sam Wheat figures it out, and then he uses it to his advantage to scare off Willie Lopez. So I would just like to for the record just remind everyone that cats do have eight nipples and they can see ghosts.

This has been cat facts with Caitlin. Eight nipples see ghosts. Wait. You didn't realize how many nipples you've grazed in terms of it was a boy cat do boy cats have that was your question all was that my question yeah you're like stand by it all mammal male female gender non-binary animals and people all mammals have nipples because all embryos start out as female and grow little nipples.

And then a certain hormone is introduced in the womb to determine whether or not it ends up being biologically male or female. It's probably like a litter of kittens thing. Like cats tend to have so many babies at once that they need more nipples. Right. There's a direct correlation to like how many offspring a mammal has at a time to how many nipples they have. So we're only twins. Two little nippies? Yeah.

You should be double fisting. Honestly, humans should only have one boob. Imagine. Because we only have usually one baby at a time. Interesting. I'm going to campaign for a one boob movement. A one boob movement. Well, then I should have no titties. I don't want

babies. Me either. They really upset me. I want to pull my boobs and have one good one. One great tit. I want to have one D cup. Instead of two little midgets. Listen, it's fine. It's manageable in the heat. I accept it. I mean, yeah, big old titties in the heat, that

can't be fun. Right. I want big old titties in the winter, but this time of year, I'm grateful. This time of year, I count my blessings. Yeah. Well, this has been a very enlightening discussion about abuse. Nip talk. Nip talk.

Nip talk. Nip talk. Nip slash talk. Well, that's the new name of this podcast. There we go. Hey, let's talk about whether or not ghost passes the Bechdel test. See, I've been holding this back, but I think it does. I think it technically does.

Okay. Argue your point, please. Well, I wrote down a few different places. You're right. I didn't think that the police scene doesn't pass because the officer doesn't have a name. Do we ever find out Otome's sister's names? Because there's an exchange they have.

Oh, yes. I do not think that we... They do have names. They do have names? Yes. By the time it occurred to me that I should have known their names, it was too late. You are right, because they have a conversation about Arsenio Hall. Oh, wait, that's a man.

By our rules, there has to be two lines of dialogue where they talk about something other than a man. Yeah, and they talk about Otome, and they talk about, like, I don't have the quote in front of me, but they're like, oh, you know know she finally got the power or whatever and then there's a response that also has to do with otome and uh i wish i had written down the exact exchange oh i think i have because i detailed all of these they technically don't have names they don't they are credited on imdb as otome's sister and Otome's sister. So those scenes where there are women interacting, it starts off with Otome and Mrs. Santiago, who does have a name, but they talk only about Mrs. Santiago's dead husband. So that does not pass. Then we've got Otome and her sisters during the scene where Sam is all like, I'm a ghost and you can hear me.

And now you have the gift that you didn't think you had. Her sisters are like, oh, she's talking crazy. She hit her head harder than we thought. The other one's like, she was talking to nobody before she even hit her head. So that would pass the test if we knew their names, but we don't. Right. Then we've got Otome calling Molly on the phone to be like, I'm a spiritual reader and I have a message from your friend Sam. Doesn't pass.

Talking about Sam. Then the scene where Otome goes to Molly's apartment, same thing, doesn't pass because they only talk about Sam and all the things, like, because she's trying to convince her, I've got your dead boyfriend here. Yeah. Then we've got the cop who is the woman who is all like, I'm never going to take my clothes off again if there's

ghosts everywhere no name we don't know her name does not pass and then we've got otome in the psychic shop talking to another lady who's trying to communicate with her dead husband they either only talk about a man either way that woman is not named i have i have like a sneaking feeling that there is and i wasn't doing the close enough notes that that i should have been doing but i do think that there is an exchange in this movie somewhere that likely technically passes but i don't think that that you mean between like otome and molly yes probably but i think it happens they always talk about sam but if i mean but even if there's like an exchange of lines between them of like do you believe yes or no like that is

a the type of exchange that would pass right it would be but it would be so fleeting right right it's like yeah it's one of those if it it's barely. Right. I think this does pretty right by its female characters. I think they're both well-developed, and because, like, Otome is just such a dynamic character. She's so fun and fun to watch, and Molly's also, again, she's dealing with a lot of shit, but she's serving the story. So I think the movie treats its female characters well,

but I don't think it passes the Bechdel test because every conversation where women are talking, they're either not named or they're talking about Sam. So that is my stance. But as we've... If only Swayze weren't such a lurker. Right. Or if we just got maybe like a scene of aftermath after sam goes to heaven and then otome is like

well it was nice meeting you do you want to get some ice cream you owe me money i did a lot of work for sam and please give me a hundred dollars that could pass the test and also she would get the money i feel she's entitled to and i don't think that demi would be stingy about it no she'd be like she'd be like and also here's a weird piece of pottery i made i mean she helped save her life demi was gonna get murdered by willie lopez otherwise so or carl or car yeah one or the other but as we've mentioned, the Bechdel test isn't necessarily, it's not the end-all, be-all. If this movie does pass the test,

it's great to women, and if it doesn't, it's bad. There's a lot of shitty movies that pass the Bechdel test. True. Like what? The Beguiled! But aren't they,

oh, I guess they're not constantly talking about Colin Farrell. There's like three scenes where they're like, let's talk about our French lessons. I'm going to. Here's a fun one that passes sister act. Yes.

And I love that. That it's a, there's a real Whoopi Goldberg career foreshadowing ghost where they're like, give the money to the nuns. And she's like, no, none suck. Or some variation on that.

Nicole probably knows the exact line. Give money to a bunch of nuns. They can't even, I don't remember. They can't even buy panties or bras. I'm telling you that, yeah. No, that was a great

like ending line to a scene. Always end on a button. I'm trying to think of my other favorite movies and if they pass, chances are, probably not. To Wong Fu passes.

Thanks for everything. Julie Newmar. Whoa. See My Cousin Vinny does not pass. I wouldn't think so. I haven't seen it in a long time. I think Marissa Tomei is the only female character who speaks. I don't think there's another woman for her.

I've not seen it, but that sounds about right. Eddie passes. Another Whoopi Goldberg movie, Eddie. That passes. Because she has a friend, and they talk about basketball. it but that sounds about right eddie passes another whoopee goldberg movie eddie that passes because she has a friend and they talk about basketball a nice white lady i like how this movie i mean there's not a whole lot of like tackling race in this movie but there's a few different lines where uh otome will be like you're a white guy aren't you like and then and then she sees a picture of sam and she's like oh you're cute cute for a white guy but white yeah and then oh yeah the line where she's basically

like uh wait i wrote down when whoopi gilbert is like you know are you are you white and then she says like literally like a white guy why me it's like well i't, it doesn't truly tackle race, but it does tackle that. Like she lives in a bad area and a murderer lives in her neighborhood. And this white guy is very concerned about his white fiance who lives in a good area. So I think, I don't, it doesn't tackle race at all, but like I, it does tackle like, she's like, oh shit shit like there's bad shit happening in my neighborhood and i'm helping out this white man like you're dead i think let's rate the movie we rate each movie on our nipple scale okay nipple scale of one to eight

we should adjust it for cats for any movie with a cat in it, we should. No, but we do on a scale of one to five nipples. No animals have only five nipples, unless maybe they started out with six or eight and some of them were surgically removed. And then someone sliced them off. Ooh, boy, I would hate having my nipples removed. I give it five little nippies. It's literally my favorite movie in the whole wide world.

Well, we rate it on its portrayal of female characters. Yeah, I stand by it. Five little nippies. I think the women are great in the movie. I'm going to give it four. It gets some marks off. I don't like that the women have to be saved by Sam at the end. That's a trope that's always going to bug me.

It's still sam driving the story it is he's the protagonist so that makes sense but i feel like maybe i don't know molly could maybe have a little more to do or because she is kind of passive there's also a scene where willie lopez is like watching her undress which i guess like sure that's to communicate to the audience she's in danger this is scary but then otome tells her yeah he watched you undress which i guess like sure that's to communicate to the audience she's in danger this is scary but then otome tells her yeah he watched you undress and whatever but that scene like didn't really need to happen like we don't why do we have to see like a voyeuristic naked lady scene she's not she she's i also think it paints how gross Willie is. Yeah. And then he gets scratched by a cat, which does have eight nipples.

So everything's fine. So in a way, it's an eight out of eight. But yeah, I think that Molly and especially Otome are just really interesting, multi-dimensional characters that are enjoyable to watch and there wasn't any moment where i was just like i don't like this there are opportunities where it could pass the bechdel test right but they're the whole thing is about a man their relationship otome and molly's relationship is completely contextualized by this man so if if they talked about other stuff, would it make sense for the movie? Maybe not.

But I don't know. Just throw a line in there. Oh, did you watch Oprah yesterday? Yeah, I loved it. How about you? Too bad she didn't get this part. That's going to happen. Yeah, I'll give it a four to based on, I mean, the two main female characters are both, and I wouldn't have said this for Molly the last time I saw it, but after seeing her this time through are both really well developed and have very clear, strong motivations.

And their storylines, although they are propelled forward by men, they seem like two independent women with heads on their shoulders and and deal with problems in a way that makes sense yeah yeah i mean basically just uh the one nip off based on missed opportunities and less so having to do with otome and molly because i feel like it would be disingenuous to the story if they like ended up being best friends like that That would not happen in real life. But missed opportunities more in terms of it would have been very easy to give Odomay's sisters names. It would have been very easy to not have almost all male ghosts. It would have been very easy to flip one of Odomay's clients

into a man trying to talk to his wife. They're just little stuff like that. Four nipples, I'm going to give two to both of Otome's unnamed sisters. I do like that of the women with speaking roles in this movie, they are almost all women of color.

Because it's Otome, her sisters, Mrs. Santiago, Molly's kind of the only white woman in the movie. Yeah, and you don't see very much of her sisters, Mrs. Santiago, Molly's kind of the only white woman. Yeah, and you don't see very much of her world, which is interesting. You get that Sam's a Wall Street broker or whatever, but then they spent a lot of time in Brooklyn,

in Prospect Park, I think is where it would be, which was not gentrified. So everybody on the street is a person of color. On the subway, too? of color on the subway too I think they did a great job of depicting New York in 1990 cause so many movies will be in New York and they'll be like in

Brooklyn and it's like filled with white people I'm like I don't know where you are but now I do now it's any part of Brooklyn very gentrified Sophia Coppola take some fucking notes yeah how dare you have a Civil War movie Brooklyn. Very gentrifying. Sophia Coppola, take some fucking notes. Yeah. Oh, Sophia.

How dare you have a Civil War movie without somebody being like, here's your tea. Like, come on now. Crazy. Nicole, thank you so much for being here.

Hey, thanks for having me. It's been a blast. Where can people find you online? Listen, on Twitter and Instagram at Nicole Byer

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