The Bechdel Cast - Good Will Hunting with Ayo Edebiri

Episode Date: August 22, 2019

On this episode, Jamie and Caitlin invite special guest Ayo Edebiri to examine Good Will Hunting. How do you like them apples?(This episode contains spoilers)For Bechdel bonuses, sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com/bechdelcast.Follow @ayoedebiris on Twitter. While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @jamieloftusHELP Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Bechdel cast, my name's Jamie Loftus My name's Kayla Durrani Is that how people say your name there? I don't know, it sounded right Okay, you know what's funny? I don't think I can actually do a boston accent very well i absolutely cannot end up kind of doing a newsies kind of thing every time i try to do it but you know i think that fits with this episode because like there's maybe one person

doing a boston accent that makes any sense in this movie i uh this is the bechdel cast yeah what what is the back the fucking bechdel cast hey kid what What is the Bechdel cast? Fucking Bechdel cast. Hey, kid, what's the fucking Bechdel cast? Chief. I'll fucking tell you. It's where two broads talk about broads in flicks. Two broads in a flick got to talk about something that's not a dude. You want to know what the fucking Bechdel cast? This broad, Alison Bechdel, came up with these fucking rules.

Women and their rules, right? Right. Fuck. Okay, so here's what happens. You got to have two broads that have names. And they got to fucking talk to each other because women, they won't stop talking. Talk to each other about something other than their fucking husband or their fucking son. Yeah, sounds stupid.

Fuck, I fucking hate it. Anyway. This is my favorite this is my favorite episode. It's going to be the most annoying one. I decided today this is going to be

the worst one. Hey. Oh wait let's do an example of how something might pass the Bechdel test. I just do like a low voice. I can't even. A smoker from Boston.

Hello. I'm from Somerville. You sound like that lady on SpongeBob. It goes like chocolate. Hey, Jamie. This is us passing the Bechdel test. Yeah, what's up, Kaylee? Do you like apples?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you like them apples? Oh, my God. That was an incoherent. I was like, who Oscar winning writers? I feel absolutely sick thinking about it. I'm so excited for this episode. Yes. Anyway. Hopefully you know what the podcast is. Yeah, we talk about the representation of women in movies and today's movie. Oh, okay. be oh okay oh boy it's motherfucking uh after no one has requested this movie literally ever you didn't ask for it here it is this is our episode on goodwill hunting that's right and

to join us in our discussion uh we've got a very funny stand-up comic and writer she's from boston and she's from boston iodebri hey what the fuck is up? What the fuck is up? How you doing? How's it fucking going? It's good to fucking see you. It's really fucking great to see you. It's always a fucking pleasure. Yeah, good to see you. So fucking, fucking great.

Holy shit. And we're fucking off. We're fucking off to the fucking races. Where in Boston are you from? I'm from Dot Rap, from Dorchester. Oh, hell yeah. Shit. Dorchester.

That's that real shit. I'm third generation Brocktonian. Oh, wow. Huge. Yeah, everyone's, we're still out there in Brockton. We're on the south side, near West Bridgewater. We don't like West Bridgewater. They suck.

Go to Easton, a little bit to the east. They got a lot, they got too much heroin there. We don't go there. It's pretty bad. We go to Brockton. It's not got the best, it doesn't have the best reputation, but they say it in the departed once. Yeah.

They do. And we do not let people forget it. It's also in, what's that fucking movie? Gone Baby Gone. Yeah. Yeah, which I watched the other night because I'm sick in the head. That is a very strange way to be homesick. Yeah.

No, it's also, it's like not representative of anything I've ever experienced. Really. not representative of anything I've ever experienced, really. Most movies about the area we're from do not represent anything I've ever seen happen. Yeah. And this, I feel like this is maybe the most famous one, right? Yeah. Like, it's like, and it's up there. It's up there.

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It's up there. It's up there. It's up there. It's huge. I didn't realize that, I mean, that was like one of those places where I'm like, surely they have to have these everywhere. Yeah, I mean, even though their food, yeah, sure their food tastes like fucking chemicals. I don't care. It's made to be in hospitals, I feel like. Yeah. It's made to be when you're grieving the fact that

your closest family member is probably going to pass away in a few days you don't want to have your best meal man no but it's like you gotta go down you know to the hospital lobby you take a right and there's the au bon pain next to the flowers yeah i like to i like to get a huge ladle of broccoli cheddar soup wow uh and yeah just like pour it down my throat. Yeah, I take a six-day-old lukewarm clam chowder, get a nice funnel. With the fucking film on top. Yeah, with the fucking film on top. You can break the film.

I put the film on my face like a face mask, then I get a nice funnel right down the gullet, pour the soup down. Fucking self-care. And I'm fucking healthy, and I'm fucking alive, and I live to tell the tale. So there's Au Bon Pain representation. We got Pete's Coffee and of course we got Dunk's.

So much Dunkin' Donuts. Is Pete's from Boston? I don't even think so. No, there's just the Pete's that was in Harvard Square. Right, that was the only one I was ever familiar with. I grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts. At least the year I graduated high school. There were grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts. For sure. In at least the year I graduated high school.

There were over 50 Dunkin' Donuts, which is a lot. I mean, it's a pretty big city. There is like 120,000 people who live there.

But there's no need for 50 Dunkin' Donuts. But none of them are ever going to go out of business. I mean, there's truly, I think,

like in Dorchester, every three blocks there's a Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah. It's the law. Like, truly, it's illegal to be driving for more than 10 minutes and not have a Dunkin' Donuts in a 10-minute circle radius. I had my first. 10 is, like, exhausting to think of driving to.

It is. Yeah. I mean, and there's fortunately one around here. Thank God. Whenever I get homesick, because my mom gave me the sex talk in the parking lot of a Dunkin' Donuts. And then she also interrogated my first boyfriend after he broke up with me. In a Dunkin' Donuts. In a Dunkin' Donuts. Aw.

Yeah, so a lot of milestones. There's history there. There's texture. There's layers. So, Good Will Hunting. Yes. milestones. There's history there. There's texture. There's layers. So, Google Hunting. Yes. A 1997 movie that was nominated and won Oscars. What is your history with this movie?

Well, we texted a little about what movie to pick because I was having, I mean, I was spoiled for choice in so many ways. Movies, there's a lot of them. I'll tell you what. And then I just thought it would be really funny if we did this. Not realizing after that

there is one woman character. I guess I just forgot that part. That is a lot of movies we've covered. I mean yes. Many. I just feel like it was always on TBS or something. I just feel like it was always on TBS or something.

I just feel like it was always on and around. But I feel like I really... Always on, slightly off. Mm-hmm. And that's that. And that's that on that. But I feel like when I got to college, weirdly it was something that I would watch when I was homesick,

even though none of it was real. Like none of it was real or true to my life or my experiences or the people that I knew or cared about or, like, the neighborhoods that I was in. Which is crazy, because you grew up very close to where everything is happening. Like, pretty close. I mean, closer than I was. Yeah, no, for sure. They're from Southie, though.

But there are, like, neighborhoods than I was. Yeah, no, for sure. They're from Southie, though. But there are neighborhoods that I obviously recognize. But also, Boston is very racist. Trying to find the right terminology. But it's like, geographically, it's very split up. And so it's like, I think you're not really going to go into neighborhoods where it's not people who look like you or people who are your friends. So I was never really hanging out in Southie or Westie, which is West Roxbury, or certain, like Alston or whatever.

I wasn't really hanging out there. But I'm trying to get shat on by my high school graduating class if you're listening to this podcast. But yeah, I don't know. But like really it's something that I just like watch a lot when it like it just gets chilly and I want to see fall leaves, you know, sort of like drifting in the common or whatever. Yeah, mine was mine's kind of similar. Like I just think I don't remember the first time I've seen it

I've definitely seen it a bunch I know I've seen it in chunks a bunch I've definitely started it and not finished it a bunch

hundreds of times yeah like I forgot about I forgot Minnie Driver was in this movie yes until I rewatched it I constantly mixed up

her and Andy McDowell which is sort of my own personal journey that I need to be working on in terms of like how I support white women but mixed up her and Andy McDowell, which is sort of my own personal journey that I need to be working on in terms of how I support white women. I would always mix them up, and only very recently,

way too recently, did I realize, oh, these are very different women. There's almost no overlap. I mean, they look quite similar. Thank God. I was trying to be polite. I was trying to be polite. No, they look a lot alike. They look the same and they're both like

fake demure. Right. But yeah, I'd seen this movie a bunch. It's like, I feel like it is kind of like, it was a lot of people's introduction to Boston as an idea. And then there's so many and it's like, there's so many movies that you can

see like kind of pull direct influence of like, oh, we're just never going to set a movie that isn't at Harvard or in Southie. Yes. And that's pretty much been the case to this day because you've got your little social network first 20 minutes. Yep. And then you've got The Town, The Departed. You got.

Gone Baby Gone. Gone Baby Gone. Boondock Saints. Wow. You got got smelf most recently yeah and then there's I mean everything that happens in Boston happens in exactly two neighborhoods

and that's it well that's also like very much like my experience as a black person from Boston when I leave and people are like ah you got the fucking accent, you know, fuck the car. And I'm like, well, nobody talks like that, actually. It's like, it's fully a dying accent. It is, yeah.

And the only people who talk like that are people, like, young people don't even really talk like that, even if you're, like, from Southie. Unless you're, like, a little bit more, I think, like, Western Mass. My mom, I'm from Southern Mass, and my mom has a very thick accent, but there's, I feel like most people our age or definitely in Brockton, we would actively untrain ourselves from having it. Yeah, entirely. Because I was, by then, I don't know, maybe this is partially because of like Good Will

Hunting and that like ripple effect. But like, I remember being aware pretty young that it was an embarrassing way to talk. Yes, yes, yes. No, it's like fully seen socially by society as a very ugly accent. Yeah, and it's not wrong. That's, yeah. I find it comforting to hear hints of it in people's voices sometimes. But yeah, I feel like by second grade even,

I remember hearing my mom talk out loud to another parent and being like, yeah, that can't be my life. Caitlin, what's your history with this movie? My history, so it came out in 97 or 98? I saw it probably for the first time in high school, so I'm guessing like 2003. And then I did not watch it again because I did not like it the first time. And I was like, this is not my type of movie.

Okay, powerful to say. I mean, brave. I'm brave. Why isn't it your type of movie? You know, I like a good romp, and this simply is not a romp. What are you talking about? This is one of the rompiest, and this simply is not a romp. What are you talking about? This is one of the rompiest of films. How is this a romp?

Math is a romp. And he's romping between his academic life and his personal life, his boys. His boys. His fucking boys. It's a romp of the soul. It's a romp. It's a's a romp it's a spiritual romp it's a spiritual romp there's like rompy parts to it

there are parts of it that are rompy when he talks to the freaking NSA that's I do like that scene I wrote down I was like could be cut movie would be no different but I liked it it was in there.

It was trying to say something political, but it means nothing. There was so much of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who, if you didn't know, wrote this movie. There's so much college freshman grandstanding. So many monologues. One after the other. I got exhausted, but then I found a second wind in me. It gives you a second wind. That's what it does.

It really does. It's powerful. Not for me. It's crazy. It's not a movie with a three-act structure, but like a seven. There's maybe ten acts in this movie. Some of the acts have nothing to do with most of the movie. No, not at all.

And they won't. Ugh, honey. Like, why is there a scene where Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck talk about jerking off into a baseball glove for, like, five minutes? Because it's funny. Yeah. Fucking. Does that help you now? Because it's funny.

Oh, I get it. Okay. Boys should be allowed to talk about... So, actually, this is what I'm here... Actually, why I'm on your podcast. I'm a sleeper agent for the meninist movement. And boys should be able to be boys and talk about drinking off and have fun.

It's called locker room talk. Yeah, locker room. This is, I think, my favorite math movie that math substitutes would show include, this was a pretty good movie to turn on during a math substitute. Stand and Deliver, I would say, is the go-to for math movies. Beautiful Mind, hate it. Beautiful Mind can suck it. Not for me.

My mom loved the movie A Beautiful Mind. And we'd play it on our kitchen. We had the tiny TV that had the VHS. Yeah, the kitchen tv that we decided as like a global community or maybe just as the nation that we would have that be a kitchen tv but it ours was way up on a top shelf because it was like well then when you're cooking or when you're sitting you can watch it sure so that sense. But it was impossible to change the tapes because it was so high up. And me and my mom were both very, very small.

Imagine I'm even smaller because I'm a child if you can fully imagine it. So I would have to climb up on the table and then hook myself onto the shelf and then sort of like blame myself up to the VHS. Parkour your way into. and then I would like, come back down,

and then I would like, go back up and grab it out, and then go back out, and pull it in. It's crazy no one took me. But, but, Beautiful Mind got stuck up there,

for months. Wow. For months, because I was like, I'm tired of like, risking my life. Right. To change VHS games.

To change different shitty movies, out of the VHS. Cinderella's Story was in there for a hot sec, too. Oh, sure. I mean, prefer that to A Beautiful Mind every time. I've probably seen that movie. I actually think I've seen that movie over 100 times. Is that Chad Michael Murray's in that one? Yeah.

That's been requested a lot. Really? Yeah. That was one of the ones that I was like, yeah. And it was back and forth between us. Just every movie that got stuck in the kitchen. Honestly, yes. I'm just like, what trauma can I work through on a podcast, please?

And today, it's Boston. It's Good Will Hunting. Should I do the recap? Yeah, sure. Yeah. This movie is two hours long. It does feel significantly longer. Yeah.

It's crazy that shipping up to Boston isn't fully in this movie. No. I know it's in The Departed, but I wish it was in every Boston movie. It has. This movie had less of an aggressive soundtrack as I thought it was going to. It has. The most gentle soundtrack, in addition to putting Auburn Pan on the map, it put Elliot freaking Smith on the map.

Every time Minnie Driver is on screen, Elliot Smith is playing. It's wild. It's like totally insane. It's like a connection. It's illegal. I don't know what I expect. I mean, I expected it to be like a very like Boston soundtrack. But no, it's very gentle.

No, it's the opposite. It's like this quiet, depressed man from like Portland is like strumming. and they're like, yeah, this sounds good. Okay, here's the story of Good Will Hunting, which sounds to me like Good Will Hunting, not Good Will Hunting. Anyway, so we're in Boston. There's an MIT professor named Gerald Lambeau. That's Stellan Skarsgård. He puts this advanced equation on the chalkboard in the halls of MIT, hoping that one of his students will solve it by the end of...

This is not at all distracting. I'm trying to get to Pirates of the Caribbean. I think you just shifted it to Pirates of the Caribbean. And unfortunately, I can neither confirm nor deny that. Okay, so he has this equation on the board. He's hoping one of his students will solve it by the end of the semester. He's a math boy. We meet Will Hunting.

That's Matt Damon's character. He's a janitor at MIT and he sees the equation, he ponders it a bit, and then he solves it, I think, within the span of a couple hours. Easy. This is like the most dangerous, just that every hot, irrationally angry guy is also secretly

a genius. Yes. Like, I understand why this movie made so much money. Right. And also being hot is justification, and a genius hot is justification and a genius is justification for being like unwell yeah yeah totally unwell a dick to everyone around him and yeah yes yes so he solves it the professor and the students are like oh my god who solved this we don't know meanwhile we know we it is. Meanwhile, Will and his loser friends, played by Ben Affleck, Casey Affleck, and then some other dude who I don't know if he even talks at all in the movie.

Third guy. Third guy. Third guy. He gets some zings in there. He's somebody. They are hanging out. They're disrespecting women. They're getting in fights.

And then Will gets arrested for starting a fight with someone who used to beat him up in kindergarten. In kindergarten. Kindergarten. That guy used to beat me up in kindergarten. And then, yeah. Punch. He's mad, Caitlin. He's mad.

The faculty at MIT puts another theorem on the board. And then two professors catch Will solving this one, too. But he, like like runs away and he's like fuck you because they're like hey you stupid janitor get off the board yes fuck quit graffitiing our math homework here's where I have to suspend my disbelief because I'm like if like if there was a sexy janitor wandering the halls of a college, people would be noticing him. They would be wanting to know who the hot janitor is. He was a vol cell before we even had the word for that.

I guess that's true. I feel like someone would have been like, who is sexy janitor? Sure. I think it was pre-internet. Yeah, that's true. If this movie was made in 2019, Will would have gotten hired

and then he would have gone viral for being hot. Like hashtag hot janitor. Then he would have gone on the Ellen show. And then Ellen would have been like, I got you money. And he would have been like, who? Money. And then quickly done an equation and Ellen would have been like, wait a minute. Are you good at math? And that's how this movie would have happened. And then he would have died of an overdose a year later.

I think it's season two of American Vandal. There's like a hot janitor and everyone talks about, like everyone at the school knows about hot janitors. So yeah that yeah this is this is pre-internet done these are movie ideas busted now that sucks okay hope you feel good about that you killed the pitch okay so sorry okay so then uh will and his friends go to this harvard bar and then which they say a bunch a bunch of bunnies i'm like never heard that in my life i don't know what that means

will basically has a dick measuring contest but like with his brain with this harvard boy big brain flex with her yeah it's a knowledge measuring contest it impresses skylar that's mini driver skylar so much that she gives will hunting her number i will say skylar has a friend that's a woman yes but who who is she where does she go and what is her name and does she say anything? Oh, wow. So he has his hearing from when he got arrested a few days previous. And Professor Lambeau, who has... And you know he's quoting books. He's quoting books. He's defending himself.

He's like, I don't need no fucking lawyer. Quoting books. You know my boys in the court a lot. Quoting books. And so Professor Lambeau, who has figured out who will is at this point convinces the judge to let will go on two conditions one that will meets with this professor once a week to do math stuff and two that will see a therapist all right love that so they go to try to find a therapist who's gonna work for will hunting but he's not taking it

seriously gay joke yes yeah the the montage that's too long yeah so then uh professor lambeau recruits his old college roommate sean mcguire that is robin williams who does not know what accent he's supposed to be doing no no he is lost he's he but he's supposed to be doing. No. No. He is lost. He's, he. But he's supposed to be from. Southie. Southie. Yeah. He's supposed to have the same,

which I like, Robin Mulhaney was a great actor. I don't know. Very talented. Love him. Yeah. Don't jump into my mentions about like, how dare you dump on a dead man.

I'm like, I do that every day. But there, but like, it's so weird to me that it's like, why didn't he just try to do the accent that Matt Damon was doing they're supposed to be

from the same exact place listen I'll say this not all dialect coaches are made equal so we don't know what went behind the scenes I mean he does some great Shakespearean lengthy monologues

oh yeah very good soliloquies I would call them his wife she is dead his His wife, she is dead. His wife. His wife? Yeah. She is dead. Yes.

We learn this over and over. Oh, so many times. And guess what? Wait, I have a question, though. He loved her. What? Is his wife dead? Yeah, but here's the thing.

I don't know. Yeah. But it was all worth it, and he loved her. That's so true. It was worth it. It was all worth it. I love how that is a central question of his. Do you think it was worth getting married if your wife died of cancer?

Do you regret marrying her? I was like, what the fuck? It's truly like, oh, you can be a grown man and have the emotional maturity of a bag of Tostitos. As we see, Good Will Hunting have. But he's good he's in the title he's so good so

so Sean McGuire he's not like the other therapist he's not like the other therapist he assaults his clients he threatens

him with violence he grabs him by the neck and we can just sort of like put a pin in violence in this movie

because it's one that needs to be pinned. It is everywhere. Yes. And he's like, you know what, Will? You think you're so smart because you read a couple books. But you're just a kid who doesn't know anything about love or how to fuck good. So you need to open up your feelings. So now the ball's in Will's court.

You know, his approach is all over the place. It involves violence. Violence. It involves verbal harassment. Yeah, it involves off-hours meetings. It involves going to the park. Close intimate friendships. Well, if you're a good therapist, then it won't work.

So you have to be a bad therapist. I think we all learned. And that's important. So then Will goes out with Skylar, finally. And then he also keeps going to Robin Williams' character for therapy. And he refuses to talk at first. Will does.

So progress is slow. But he starts to get through. He's starting to make some breakthroughs. He's starting to get some job offers because he's doing all this math and he's really good at it. Stellan's out there trying to get him a job. Yeah, Stellan's kind of trying to like steal his shine a little bit. He's got that weird mentor relationship where he's like, I'm helping you, but I also want to be you. That's a pretty good Stellan.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A good Stellan performance. and stellar yeah yeah yeah good a good stellar performance and then things start to fall apart uh where he gets in a fight with skylar he tells her he doesn't love her because he's afraid of love and he's afraid of feeling still no and then she moves to california for med school will and professor lambeau get in a fight because will doesn't really care about all this math stuff and having a job and everything like that.

And Lambeau thinks he's throwing his life away. Ben Affleck is like, dude, get your shit together. That's a good speech. One where he's like, you got to get out of here. He's like, my favorite part of the day is when I think you might not be home. Yeah. I forgot about that. Because you laughed.

No, it's like literally beautiful. You're laughing, but it's beautiful. And it comes back at the end. Ben Affleck is a good actor. He's a damaged man, but he is a good actor. He's canceled, right? He's been really creepy with a bunch of interviewers and stuff. I don't know.

I thought that Matt Damon, there was some weird shit with him. I don't know. I thought that Matt Damon, there was some weird shit with him. I don't. I think, I mean, it seems like everyone in this movie is canceled of the Boston bro friends. I mean, especially Casey Affleck is 100%. I know, I know. I know! I brought this on.

I should have done this. Is it too late to do Cinderella's story? Goddamn, goddamn. Listen, there's definitely some history that's not very good. Yes, indeed. For both of them. For everyone. For literally everyone except Robin Williams.

We hope that we know of. Right. No one is safe. I think so too. So Will's fighting with everyone he and robin williams get in a fight because you know will hunting is being a dick as per usual yeah but then robin williams is like will your intimacy issues your abandonment issues it's not your fault and then will cries and he realizes that it's okay to have feelings sometimes it's okay to not be okay sometimes

when you cry it's actually awesome it's actually a good thing. Sometimes it's okay to not be okay. Sometimes when you cry, it's actually awesome. It's actually a good thing. This is a good will hunting. This is a part of the movie that I like where it kind of veers into that rare dad tear-jerker genre where dads see that movie, they're like, oh, shit, I'm going to cry. Yeah, I like that.

I think dads need more movies like that. This is a movie for men to cry. I was joking earlier, but now I'm serious. I really am here for the men in this cause. I believe that men should be able to have movies for them that are like this, because they don't. I don't disagree. I do like, I mean, I'm just like, man, this is sort of a story of a man learning to understand, have feelings. Process his feelings, yeah.

And, like, be able to talk to other men about it. I think that's nice. Yeah. I think that's nice. You did. You sort of. I mean, the movie's horribly paced anyway. And so the end really just sort of does come at you like a freaking whirlwind.

Yeah. But I don't want to cut your recap off. No. Go for it. We missed the. Well, maybe we'll get into it when we talk about Minnie. But when they start fighting. Oh, yeah. We'll talk all about that. OK. Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll get into it when we talk about Minnie, but when they start fighting. Oh, yeah.

We'll talk all about that. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't you worry. So Will's like, oh, my God, it's okay to have feelings. Then he gets a job so that he can get his life on track. But then he writes a note to Robin Williams. And he's like, screw the job.

I got to go see about a girl, which is the thing that Robin Williams said to him about his wife. On the day of a big baseball game. Huge baseball game. And then Will drives to California to be with Skylar because she has moved there for med school. That's the end of the movie. We got to take a quick break and then we'll come back to discuss. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now.

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or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, welcome back. Hey, we're back. We're back. My accent gets worse and worse every time. We're fucking back. We're fucking back. Yeah. I hope that I can be discovered as like a comedian or screenwriter the way that Will is discovered as a math genius in this movie where it's just like I'm writing a joke on a chalkboard and then someone walks up and they're like, oh my fucking God, this is the greatest joke I've ever seen. And then you run away like, no. No, fuck you.

And then they find me and I'm like, okay, fine, I'll be a comedian. Those are my hopes and dreams. So, Good Will Hunting. Yes. Listen, the movie says he's good. He's good. He is. The movie says he's good.

Because the movie says so. Matt Damon and Matt Affleck. Whoa. Both, I'm so, that was really disrespectful. That was literally. That was erasure. They won an Oscar for writing. They did. Whoa. That was really disrespectful. That was literally... That was erasure. They won an Oscar for writing. They did.

Yes. Robin Williams won an Oscar for acting. He deserved it. He did. He did. In that his monologues are great. He's so good. His dialect coach should be in jail.

He's doing the correct accent, I would say, about 30% of the time. He hits a few words. But when he gets that 30, when he gets it right. It's an award-winning 30%. It is. Something that I do want to say about them winning the writing Oscar is that they are the youngest Oscar winners for writing. However, I think a lot of people don't know this.

The movie was heavily ghostwritten. They wrote a draft and it was horrible. They were taking it around. A much more experienced screenwriter who refuses to take credit. Just because it's embarrassing?

I don't know why he won't take credit. I think because he was like... Do you know who it is? I think it's embarrassing? I don't know why he won't take credit. I think because he was like... Do you know who it is? I think it's William Goldman. Oh, wow. He wrote Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Princess Bride. Princess Bride, yeah.

And he was like their script doctor. And basically he... There's like a thing where somebody was like, or I guess reportedly once was like, I wasn't a script doctor. I rewrote the entire thing from scratch. And then people were like, is that for real?

And he was like, uh, no, I don't want to talk about it. So I don't know why, like what it was about it, but basically he fixed the script and then made it actable.

I mean, I feel like that happens quite a bit in Hollywood. We're like, there's just like a million people. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So there's like, and the people. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But there's like, and the reason I'm inclined to believe that,

because I don't want to neg our boys. No, we don't. We don't want to neg our boys that may or may not be canceled. I forget, honestly. The reason I'm inclined to believe that someone else wrote this movie, basically, is because neither of them really go on to ever write anything. No, ever again, no. So you would think if they were good writers,

that might be something they would do. I think Rob Reiner was originally attached to direct it or something, or he knew them and liked the script, and so he's the reason why William Goldman was like, I'll take a look at this. Got it. So I don't also know where they were in their careers, where it was just like everybody thought that

they were awesome they had both done a couple things but i think this movie really jump-started them as like movie stars this was like post chasing amy though right yeah yeah but those were pretty you know i think that's like when it's like he's getting like but he's like getting buzz right and it's probably like he's like he's schmoozing he's at these hollywood parties he's poolside he's kicking it he's meeting people and he's schmoozing. He's at these Hollywood parties. He's poolside. He's kicking it. He's meeting people and he's like, I'm just a guy from Boston. And everybody's like, that's cool. This is what we do every weekend.

Every weekend. I'm still at the poolside waiting for Rob Reiner to show up. Hasn't been there in years, but I'm there just in case. Someday he's gonna get a little hot. And I'm gonna do a movie. It's called Good Aisle Hunting. It's about me, and I'm a perverted, abusive cook.

Yeah, at MIT. I mean, Harvard. And guess what? I can read, but no one thinks I can read. And it's good. Amazing. And you're good, because it says you're good. That I'm good, because it's good. Amazing. And you're good because it says you're good. That I'm good because it's in the title

and also it kind of sounds like maybe it could mean something or be a sentence but it's not. It's just my name. Surprise. I really thought this movie was about like

hunting for goodwill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the goodwill in people. And I did not realize that will hunting is the name of the character. And do you get that?

It's such a clever turn of phrase. You should read the screenplay I wrote. It's about World War II and the main character's name is Shootgun. And it's really sort of subversive in the way that you wouldn't expect

because you hear the expect because because you so you hear the name shoot and you're like oh shoot I know tons of guys named shoot and also tons of people with the last name gun

but then you look at the movie overall and it's like wait a minute oh what's happening we are shooting

a gun you got it you're so close thank you and so oh my god sorry I know it's a little advanced

it's a little advanced. It's a little bit of screenwriting. I don't know how I got there. No, it's... Training. But then that's really the twist at the end of the movie. Yeah. Is that actually the gun shoots itself.

Oh, my God. And it's really good and it's coming out in 2049. It's a comment. It's a comment on something. Yeah. So, Good Will Hunting. Good Will Hunting.

He's good. Oh, that wasn't directly connected to that weird that you transitioned okay i know i'm so sorry okay your choice okay you're fine so what so let's talk about the one woman character in the movie who is alive well the point of the podcast yeah uh-huh yeah yeah yeah so we've got we've got skyla we've got skyla skyla goes out of it she's british yes she's British. We love that. We know that she is like, I think, a fourth year undergrad Harvard student. She's a genius.

She's pre-med. She's a woman in STEM. She's hot. She's hot. That's important. She's so rare for women. A woman in a movie who is hot? It's brave.

Now, hold on. Never heard of it. So she meets sexy Janida at a fucking bar. At a fucking bar. I like how that whole scene is Ben Affleck's character goes up to hit on Minnie Driver and her friend

and then the smart guy, like the Harvard guy comes over. Who has a ponytail? He fully has a 1997 ponytail. Blonde male adult. Blonde male adult. Dononde male adult. Don't trust him. Don't trust him. Do not trust him. Flesh color hair is scary.

So he comes over and then it turns into this weird, I think it's supposed to be this weird class war that's going on. Yeah. Where they're like, oh, so a fucking poor guy can't just go and fucking harass women at the bar, but smart guys can? And it's just like, no, no one can.

But that's not the movie. This is America. Poor guys should be able to hit on a fucking woman, and so should smart guys. If I want to fucking harass a woman in the fucking street, whether I'm poor or rich, I should be able to do it. This is what our forefathers died for. And then be like, no, no, no, don't ask her what she wants to say.

This is between you and me. I had King Jr. had a dream that one day, regardless of color or creed, any man could harass a woman if he fucking wanted to. No, no, no, I don't want to hear what you have to say about it. Because I got it. You want to take this outside? How about that my bush?

How about that my bush? So here's what drove me crazy about this scene. he's you know he will is like quoting books he's like you know flexing his his knowledge his fucking huge ass brain and how big is your brain of all the people who are around skylar in this moment she is impressed by goodwill hunting she's also not speaking for most of the scene. Well women don't have to. I never talk actually. Skylar actually has a podcast.

So she gets her time and what she needs to. And then she goes over to him 45 minutes later and she's like you're an idiot. I was waiting for 45 minutes for you to come talk to me. Because you know when you're hot and you go to Harvard, you're an idiot. I was waiting for 45 minutes for you to come talk to me. Yeah. Because you know when you're hot and you go to Harvard

and you're beautiful and you're a pre-med and you wait outside bars for almost an hour to talk to an evil man? He has no less than 40 holes in his shirt in this scene. Yeah, he's a... We know that he has other clothes that don't have holes in them. Why did he wear that shirt? Anyway. shirt in this scene yeah we know that he has other clothes that don't have holes in them like why did he why did he wear that shirt anyway this i mean women are conditioned to like wait passively for

a man to pursue them especially in you know 97 like she does eventually go up to him it's crazy to me that she's like waiting there for 45 minutes for him to talk to her i think that that's just like oh this screenplay was written by a bunch of dudes. And that's like not, that's just like, oh, women are thinking this all the fucking time when I'm at the bar. They're just sitting there being like, I wish she'd come up. Twiddling her thumbs. And then I just, you know, I didn't think she was hot, so I didn't go up to her. Yeah.

You know, it's just like, that's just like stupid writing. Yeah. So then she approaches him. So I guess it's like good that we don't see a guy like aggressively wearing her down. Don't worry. That'll come. That comes later. That's only when they're in love does he start to become abusive. Yes.

Because she does initiate a lot of stuff in like the early half of their relationship. She like suggests the first kiss. Yeah. I thought their date was really relationship. She suggests the first kiss. I thought their date was really cute. I didn't hate it. I liked the beginning of their relationship. I thought it was very sweet. She rocks. She tells a great joke.

She's supposed to have a joke. That weird joke about a mouthful of cum. Yeah. I mean, it's weird. I thought their relationship was very cute at the beginning. It was nice. And I like her character, too. Like, I think she seems more well-rounded than a lot of, like, romantic interest women in movies, especially of this time.

She doesn't do, like, she doesn't drop everything the second she meets it. Like, you know, she's like, she's still doing her, whatever. It's senior year. Yeah. Yeah. She's having fun. She did her work. She's still going to do her work, but she wants to have fun with a cute janitor. Yeah. We've all fun. She did her work. She's still gonna do her work but she wants to have fun

with a cute janitor. Yeah. We've all been there. We've all been there. We've all wanted to fuck a hot janitor. And if you think you haven't check again.

I'm willing You just didn't know that he was a custodian. I'm willing to spread that rumor about Boston. It's like it's a rite of passage that you're gonna fuck a janitor.

He's gonna be a genius. He's gonna be emotionally abusive to you. Ugh. God. I cannot watch any more movies about like a tortured white man who's also a genius. I can. I can watch a little dick.

Yeah, they rock. Yeah. I love that shit. I'm so tired. Back to back to back to back to back. He has to be redeemed. Metrograph, New York City, you know what's up. I want a seven day marathon of movies where white men are torture geniuses.

And it's okay because they're smart. Oh, I love it. And then as it pertains to her character, Will starts to talk about her in therapy. And he's like, she's beautiful. She's fun. She's intelligent. So he values her for things beyond her her beauty yeah but then the like subtext of him saying that that i was like oh man but it is uh in the world of this movie

i'm like yeah of course they would say that but he's sort of like i feel like part of what he's saying there is like she's got this british accent and all the women around me sound fucking gross and well he does say like she's different from all the most of the girls i've been with which is like i mean she's not like the other girls right she's the southie girls are made out to be like dumb skanking like late 90s like just like total there's some like yeah there's a lot of like weird like classist like if you're like working class or from a particular neighborhood, you're automatically like a fucking idiot. Yeah.

And then if, yeah. But so then he says to Robin Williams, he's like, oh, I don't know if I'm going to go out with her again. Because like, what if I realize she's not that smart and she's fucking boring? And this is him like not processing his feelings which like he learns to do later sort of fully like what if she's like actually a little actually not that cute what about what about that and then this is when things fall apart in their relationship for me when he like starts to do her homework for her so that like she has time to hang out with him she's like i to learn this stuff.

You can do my homework for me, I guess. It's a red flag. You're right. I mean, I would accept that if I was dating a math teacher. Okay, to be fair, senior year of high school, dated a guy who was really good at math, and I did let him do my homework once or twice. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God, you're a mini driver. She's canceled. But her thing is she keeps being like, you're a mini driver. She's canceled. But her thing is like, she keeps being like, I need to learn this. I'm going to medical school. I need to know how to do this stuff. To be fair, I was going to dog shit school. Oh, dog shit university. Yeah, wait, that's awesome.

Yeah, it's downtown. Oh, that's cool. But he keeps like, you know, exerting his like fucking brains power over her. And then and then it's the whole thing where she's like, move to California with me. I love you. And he's like, well, I don't love you. And it's just because he doesn't know how to do his feelings yet. So, yeah, the context of that is that he had lied to her.

He said he had 12 brothers. Yeah. Yeah. And he had like Mikey, Tommy, Joey, Dave Tommy, Joey, Joey, Robbie, Brian, Johnny, Mikey, Terry, Timmy, Tommy. I think that they left that shot on Matt Damon so he would have to say it twice in a row and he did it. He did it. He earned that nomination.

He learned his lines. So she finds out that he had lied about that, that he was in the foster system for a long time, had an abusive father in the foster system. We also learned the first thing we know about Minnie Driver in a long time in this, because in most scenes of them together, she's like, so weird, like, what is your deal?

Like, what's going on? Like, you're so good at math, but like, what are you? And he never asked her about himself. No, you at math but like what are you and you know and he never asked her about himself but what are you hunting for right well and he never asked her

about herself so we don't find out really anything about other than like where she goes to school and like we know a fair amount but we find out

in I think we don't learn about this before but in that scene where the fight she's like well my like the only reason that I we find out she's rich which we didn't learn about this before, but in that scene where the fight, she's like, well, my wife, like the only reason that I, we found out she's rich, which we didn't technically know. We could have guessed it.

Yeah. But we find out. And she's like, oh, you're going to go with all the other fucking trust fund kids. Yeah. Which I've yelled at someone before. And then they, but then she's like, well, the only reason I have so much money is because my father passed away when I was 13. And you're just like, whoa. Did he not know that? He never asked her anything about herself. I have so much money is because my father passed away when I was 13. And you're just like, whoa.

Did he not know that? He never asked her anything about herself. Also holding her up against a wall. He shoves her against a wall. And then slams his hands around near her. Very scary. It is. Minion Driver is really good in that scene though.

She's so scared and heartbroken and crying, and I was like, oh, I liked that scene. Well, they like dating in real life. Oh, you love when women get hurt? Okay, yeah, breaking news on the Petzl pod. Jesus Lord, I'm taking over. I'm bringing movies for boys, where they're kind to each other.

No, but it's really scary. But also, they were dating in real life. No, but it's really scary. But also, they were dating in real life. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. At the time of, like, making the movie

and then doing press and then they broke up. I see. Thanks. Interesting. So, you know, that'll make for some good acting. They got that chemistry.

They got that chemistry. Yeah. And then the way their relationship and the movie basically ends is that he gives up everything that he's been working toward basically to move

across the country to be with her without telling her or calling her yes he just drives straight to california he also has barely apologized to her for how horrible he was he has not he hasn't he plans on showing up yeah yeah which is like now like 2019 textbook do not do scary right uh no no more just showing up please but there's there's like yeah he like tries to call her and then he gets he's like chicken shit and hangs up and then just decides he's gonna uproot his entire life and sort of really speaks to her and then she's like i'm about to leave i love you and he's like okay take care bye like well but it's good because ben affleck is happy right that is such a weird i mean that's how movie is good yeah so actually if ben affleck smile at the end or like oh it's forgiven yeah right the takeaway our go ben affleck is happy

at the end so bad movie gone girl ben affleck is sad at the end. Bad movie, Gone Girl. Ben Affleck's sad at the end. The whole movie. The whole movie. And so that makes the movie bad. Very puffy. Gone Girl, Baby Gone. Gone Girl, Baby Gone. Where's that movie mashup?

Well, Ben probably smiled because he was directing it. Oh, yeah. And that's the greatest smile of all. That's the greatest gift. Ben's smile. But the takeaway from this romantic relationship that we've seen unfold is basically like, oh, you can treat women like shit as long as you make this big, quote, romantic gesture, and then all will be forgiven.

Yeah. And it's also like, we also don't see how it goes. No. We don't know. We can't. I hope that he gets there and she's just like, no, you have to drive home a dick. No, I think it has to go horribly also. Because it's like he just has so much shit to figure out.

But the way that she is written, she's way too accommodating. And the way that she has been written in this movie, she'd be like, oh, my God, Will, you do love me. You showing up here means you love me and we'll be together forever. Because that's how this movie understands women to be. I don't disagree that it is too early in their relationship for him to move across the country to be with her. I also, if I were in his position, I would have been like, let's try long distance. Not I'm shoving you against a wall. And there's, I mean, there's like a lot of, like, they've got that class tension going,

which is like an interesting, there's like interesting elements to their relationship that ends up kind of either being really like treated like very not well by the movie or just end up kind of disappearing after a while. Yeah. Stellan? Is Stellan okay? What's going on with him? Is anybody gonna answer me?

Is Stellan okay? He does at least get at least three or four several minute monologues. I don't really know what he was saying in any of them. I like that the movie

is like, oh, and we also need to figure out are things okay with Stellan and Robin? And we're just like, I truly could not care less. Yeah, wait, oh my God, I forgot about that.

That whole plot line. There's like at least 15 minutes devoted to like, and are these college roommates gonna be friends at the end of the day? You're like, who? Because there was like a bit, whatever, yeah. Oh my God, random. Yeah.

Okay, awkward sauce, random. There's also that whole long scene where we referenced it earlier that Matt Damon turns down a job at the NSA. Yeah. And gives a really long monologue about how he disagrees with the NSA. Really? Yeah, sure. Like, you know, but why is that there? There's a lot of scenes that could have been cut.

Part of the beauty of this movie is almost none of it needs to be there uh yes and i mean i don't i don't know i think that at least like mini driver's character is like rooted in the story and but like she's kind of her you could kind of argue her character is kind of there to like prove that he's quote unquote growing as a person because his journey to like being able to love her is like kind of what all him and robin williams talk about right robin williams is he's got major his wife trope syndrome where his wife his wife yeah his wife is dead and which is in and that's like and that's something that we know kind of what we love about him is that his wife is dead

and he can't shut up about it yeah not all men have dead wives it's there's the meninist is back

she is back hashtag not all men have dead wives did you know have aviator shades on a little something about my boys there

but there is like it reminds me of like Ed Harris in The Rock where the whole like drive of this character is just like it's not as good as Ed Harris

screaming at his wife's tombstone right and they're like I loved you so fucking much but it's just

Robbably is talking about you know a female character we never see even in the only other female character in this movie is dead. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.

Well, Minnie Driver's friend is like, hmm. Maybe she says one thing at the bar. She's an extra. She's like a featured extra. She doesn't say one thing. Come on. I don't think so. I don't think she.

I was like. Come on. Come on. She says one thing. I change the movie. I I was like. Come on. Come on, she says one thing. I change the movie. I rip open the space-time continuum. She's like, yeah, girl. And you're like, feminist text, we did it.

Sorry, actually, two women talk in this movie. Yes, Will Hunting. Yes, Will Hunting. Go off, Will Hunting. It's, yeah, it doesn't get there. It's too bad because I like the first half doesn't get there I like it's too bad because I I like the first half

of the movie I like Minnie Driver's character and then I feel like they kind of sell her out yeah I mean she she's so

as many female characters in many movies she exists to further characterize the male character yeah entirely at least she appears unlike

Rob is his wife on screen she is allowed to appear on the cutting room floor male character. Yeah, entirely. At least she appears. At least she exists. On screen. She is allowed to appear on the cutting room floor. Vera Farmiga as a ghost. As Robin Williams' young, hot ghost wife. Alright, because she's a therapist in The Departed. Her pulling over the

white sheets over her head being like, Boo! She's like, what are you talking about? She has the worst Boston accent that I've ever heard in my life. And it was something so easily in the script. Scorsese could have been like, you know what? Actually, you weren't born and raised in Boston. You came here from California, and you went to BU,

and you've been here for 15 years. Let's just say that. Just reading. But she's like, I'm born and raised in Boston. Massachusetts. It's so humiliating. She sounds like she is singing when she does the Bosnian accent. Truly.

And not even well. Which is a shame. We got to take another quick break, but then we'll come right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman WikiLeaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country

into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. level. The one, the only Katherine Hahn is joining us on Lost Culture East. That's right. The queen of comedy herself. Get ready for a conversation that's as hilarious as it is insightful. Tune in

for all the laughs, the stories, and of course the culture. I feel some Sandra Bernhard in you. Oh my god. I would love it. I have to watch Lost. Oh, you have to. No, I know.

I'm so behind. Katherine Hanken's thing. Oh, I'm really good at karaoke. What's your song? Yeah, what's your song? Oh, I love a ballad. I felt Bjork's music. I just was like, who is this person?

I got to hawk this slalom, Lugey. gotta hawk this slalom, Rudy. I'm not hawk this slalom. I absolutely love it. It was somehow Shakespearean when you said it. It was somehow gorgeous. Yee, my slok, you hollum. Listen to Las Culturistas on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Prudente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get

the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100 percent of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're fucking back. Yeah, we're fucking back.

The next thing that I think we should talk about. What should we talk about? Oh, let's talk about... A lot of oboe solos in this movie. I like oboe-heavy score. Should we talk? Should we mention?

Oboe-heavy score. Should we mention our sort of shared history? Yes, let's bring it up. I mean, Jamie and I both notoriously, known in several circles, famously, in a large way, played the oboe in high school. And I think it shows, honestly. Which is crazy. Giving off major oboe vibes.

Do you still have yours? It's back home in Boston. I brought mine here just in case. You never know. But like, okay, when you hear the oboe in movies, are you like... I'm like, well, that's me. Yeah, you know?

Where I'm like, oh, I basically did that. Visibility is so important. Visibility is so important. I feel more during an oboe solo in any movie than i did during any part of black panther incredible and there's a character named i am in that movie and i was like wish there was an oboe playing right now i wish that character was an oboe on screen i wish it was a talking oboe and i would have done it so So one thing that I think, to give this movie some credit,

I do appreciate that it is largely about a man recognizing that another man needs therapy and then that man going to therapy and then eventually embracing it and then realizing that it's actually healthy and perhaps good to open up emotionally to be hunting yeah there we go yes so i don't think there are many movies like that the fact that this is a a pretty well-known mainstream movie, I think is good for that reason. I think the characters are still fairly toxic even after they've been through therapy.

The way they get there is, you know, there's some bumps in the road, the way they get there. But, yeah, I think generally, it is like that dad-crying genre, like forgiveness, men forgiving each other porn for dads that they're like, oh shit, I wish I could do that, but at least fucking Matt Damon did. Yeah. And I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Toxic masculinity stems largely from... Okay. Sorry, I know I'm in the presence of a meninist. Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about right now i just stood up yeah what the fuck is going on well hear me hear me out good bad in the ugly shirt a goodwill hunting bad in the ugly shirt um the toxic masculinity stems at least in part from men not embracing their emotions or knowing how to process them. So a movie that encourages that is a good thing. Because if we're going to dismantle the patriarchy, we need the cooperation of men.

And they're not going to do that unless they can talk about their feelings. So that was my Goodwill hunting monologue. Thank you so much. I hear you. I hear you. And I think that that's really important. Rebuttal. But I feel like, and all my boys listening to this pod,

you know what I'm talking about. When you want to cry, but you can't, so you just drink seven monster energy drinks and one Mountain Dew Code Orange. And then have a seizure. And that feels like a feeling. So I hear you, but I counter that. And I'm actually writing a movie about that.

Oh, I can't wait. Lucas Hedges plays the Mountain Dew Code Orange. So it's going to be good. It's going to be good. Miles Teller is attached in here so much. Jason Statham plays the son. Great cast. So the climax of the movie is Miles Teller shoots himself into the sun.

He shoots gun? Oh, he plays the son like the plant. Yeah. on like the plant like the yeah this is this is so the World War II script that I previously wrote

and that will be coming out in 2049 this is actually the way that the Avatar movies shout out boys sort of like span several

generations and that is what my movie about shoot God and his family's legacy will also do so it's kind of a cinematic universe well i would say exactly that actually so thank you for seeing that i love it thank you i love it thank you yeah i mean any movie where a man goes into therapy and it and it and it works out for him i feel like it's like almost like the the like goofy like

they're like listen if you want oh fuck if if you want the pussy in your life to cooperate with you, you just got to go to fucking therapy. And that is not the best message, but I feel like if you're trying to appeal to men who are completely not open to therapy at all and are completely closed off, the promise of sex at the end of the therapy road i'm willing to tell that lie i'm willing to perpetuate that lie here's the thing is that sometimes it does work though i mean mini driver even tries it she's like i'm not gonna have sex with you again until you like introduce me to your friends and family. Basically like, unless you open up to me in some way, I'm going to withhold sex. So dark being a woman. I mean, I've been there.

I'm there right now. I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah, I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah. It's actually really awesome. And I'm actually doing it because I'm a meninist. Oh, well, yeah. Wow.

Wow. And then the way mental health is treated in this movie is kind of all over the place. What do you mean? Doesn't your therapist throttle your throat whenever you challenge him? Every single session. Doesn't your therapist talk about themselves for most of the session? Every single session. What if you had a therapist that was like, I don't know, he talks about his dead wife most of the time.

He's helping me. Well, there are those few different moments where the therapist montage when he's trying... Instead of a dress trying on montage, which we see in every movie about a woman, instead we see a therapist trying on montage with Good Will Hunting. But he's trying on different therapists. One of them calls, he's's like i can't do this this guy is a raving lunatic which is like not how well the reason he does that is because of like a weird bad gay joke that was written where matt damon is like now listen i don't hate gay people but i can i've clocked you and you're like i have a whole list of

problematic things like that that gets said but like no therapist is going to be like oh I can't help this person they're a raving lunatic it's like you I only help normal people how dare you bring somebody sick into my office get out get out it's like the medical diagnosis that the psychiatrist gives in the movie Halloween where he's like he's pure evil it's like this is not how medicine and mental health work but um yeah so here okay here's my list of 1997 creepy problematic stuff that are is said by straight white men and now 1997 uh the r word the r word gets said several times um stellan's scars guard asks one of his female students if she would like to have a drink with him a woman oh yeah it's fine then rob robin

williams says to his class full of students who are wanting to become therapists quote, if your clients don't trust you you'll never get them to sleep with you and that should be the goal of any good therapist. Nail them while they're vulnerable, that's my motto. And then everyone laughs and in the movie it's framed as like he's trying to like get their attention again because they're like falling asleep. But like

don't make that joke to students. Bunker Hill. Bunker Hill Community College. So I lied, that's actually kind ofer Hill Community College. Yeah, okay. So I lied. That's actually kind of near where I lived. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's kind of near my high school.

All right. There you go. Will calls Skylar but doesn't say anything on the phone. And then she says, Professor Valenti, are you trying to call me again? So apparently there are several different professors in this movie who are harassing young women. Predatory professors? Stellan Skarsgård and Robin Williams are talking about an Indian man. And they say they make that awful joke, which is still being used by comedians today. Indian dot not feather.

A few more. Robin Williams is talking about having a lottery ticket that will cover his tab at a bar. And then he says, it might not cover my tab, but it'll cover your sex change operation. Why would he say that? Why is that a line of dialogue? Awesome. Yeah. Give them the trophy.

And then finally, because even though this movie is about, you know, like men coming to terms with their feelings and learning how to process them, Will and his therapist hug at the end. And then Will Hunting says, does this violate the doctor-patient relationship? And Robin Williams says, no, only if you grab my ass. Which, like, okay. You ruined a nice moment. Anyway. He got the trophy.

That was my list of why was this written into the movie. Well, I mean, that's like so much of the movie. That's most of the movie. That's like really specific of you to have a list. I think that it is, this movie, as far as I know, it is not like as popular as it once was.

I don't think people really go, other than people from Boston are homesick and want to see a version of where they grew up that never existed. It doesn't seem like it's really endured. I don't think teenagers are watching Good Will Hunting. I don't think so. No. But it did propel those two guys to like stardom. Oh, we're stuck with them.

We're stuck. For sure we're stuck with them. But yeah, so those are kind of all my thoughts on the movie. Anyone else have any final thoughts? I think that Matt Damon is using most of the janitorial supplies incorrectly. The way he holds a broom I don't think is correct. The way he is mopping, as someone who's mopped a lot of mops, he's a bad mopper.

Well, also, clearly, everyone who wrote this movie has never been to therapy either. No, they've never been to therapy, college, had a job, a bar. There's lots of experiences. A healthy relationship. Yeah, that have not been had but were written by in this movie

I guess my final thought go socks they're oh shit I mean see I personally I love the Bruins

I respect the socks of course but I do think it gets a little bit crowded I'm all about the pats you're a pats I'm a pats. You're a patsy

gal. Oh, boy. Cool. I love the fucking Bruins. I love fucking Joe Thornton and all of his friends. Who? Go Celtics. Go Celtics. Speaking of talking about men, does this movie pass the Bechdel test?

No. Yeah, awesome. Okay, let's see. We have a scene with Does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Let's see. We have a scene with two women, Minnie Driver and Robin Williams' wife's ghost, played by Vera Farmiga. And the scene where they are at Au Bon Pain. And they talk about Minnie's medical career and how proud Vera Farmiga is of Minnie Driver's decision to go to California. This is after the breakup with Will. And she's having a really hard time.

And her best friend, who is a ghost, comforts her and is like, I'm really proud of you. And she's like, thank you. And then she's like, thank you and then she's like, what got you interested in medicine and then Minnie tells her and they hug and then they're like,

they get each other cough lattes and it's, it's my fucking god. It was really good. Yeah, I know, I love,

yeah, because that scene, we all remember it. That's a great scene, yeah. They'll remember it. Let me ask a question. Does it pass the Bechdel test?

Yes. If, yeah, because that scene. If Ben Affleck's first words in the movie are screaming at a woman across the bar, Kathy, why didn't you give me none of that nasty coochie-woochie you usually throw at me? Does that pass the Bechdel test? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Because she claps back. Yeah. Feminist win. She says, fuck you and your tootsie roll dick. I guess she is the other named female character is the one who yells tootsie roll dick. Matt Damon says like, hi, Kristen or something like that to a woman at the bar. But yeah, these are very tertiary characters.

This movie was produced on. If that's how you see women in film as tertiary characters, then I feel bad. Then I really just... That's a loss. I'm the meninist now. Also, famously, a Weinstein brother's joint. We've covered a lot of Weinstein. You're a max, honey.

Max. $10 million budget, $225 million. Ouch. Can I tell you something? That hurts. People love this movie. $100 million, me. My tickets. Oh my fucking God. My tickets. I I tell you something? That hurts. People love this movie. 100 million, me. My tickets.

Oh my fucking god. My tickets. I used to be a trust fund baby. But I blew it all on Good Will Hunting tickets. I wanted to see that shit in theaters. In theaters. Okay. Let's rate the movie on our nipple scale.

Yeah. All right. So five nipples, a great portrayal of women. Feminist win. Yes. Zero nipples. Bad, bad, bad. Yeah. Bad will hunting.

Bad will hunting. I'm going to give this, I guess, one nipple because I do like Minnie Driver's character. I do like that we get to know a little bit about her. She seems like a fairly okay she seemed she seems okay at first and then the movie does sell her out and she can she starts being treated very badly by the man that she loves but it's fine because he drives across the country without letting her know right so that doesn't bode well i do appreciate that the movie is about a man's emotional journey. And even though he still ends up being pretty toxic by the end,

he has demonstrated at least some emotional growth. He's toxic? And for 97, I think that was pretty groundbreaking. Yes. Yes, truly, like, a man going to therapy in a movie in the year 1997, clearly people found it very brave. Although, like I said, I just simply do not have the patience for stories about mediocre white men who are actually also geniuses. Don't care.

So, yeah, I mean, one nipple sounds like too much. I'm going to go down to a half nipple, and I'm going to give it to Kathy for not giving her coochie-woochie to Ben. Nasty coochie-woochie. Nasty coochie-woochie. Nasty coochie-woochie. Be respectful. And also, Kathy, in her defense for visibility of nasty coochie-woochies, does not say, no, no, no, my coochie-woochie is not nasty. She maybe is like, yeah, it is.

And I'm fine with that. And I'm fucking proud. And I was like, my name is Kathy and my coochie-woochie is absolutely disgusting. Feminism is the law now. So I will give this a one, I think think i like mini driver's character for most of it like you're saying i i hope for better for her in the future um when matt damon is going the hell off about like yeah and then in the fucking future you're gonna marry some other guy and you're gonna talk about how you fucked the janitor once and i I'm like, honestly, I hope that that's what happens for her.

I hope she moves on quickly and she finds a different kind of douchebag at Stanford. You know, there's plenty, plenty out there to hold every genre. Yeah. Like it's it seems like it's like the token female character in the all male movie. But, you know, Matt Damon goes to therapy uh and it is i like i feel like it just like indicates that it's like oh we need more like dad cry movies it is like i feel like dads get a release out of this that that is like maybe why the movie has even remotely endured other than like boston and men can cry during the movie and people like me who are horny for horrible Boston men.

And so I re-watch it. But it's like you get, there is like value to it with that. So, you know, maybe just a better version of a movie that your dad can feel comfortable crying to and think about all his regrets. I'm like, if my dad was watching this movie, he would be thinking about his regrets the entire movie.

And, you know, he needs to be doing that. So it's really all good. Yeah, but for... This is not... I'll say it. It's not a feminist text. You know what? I'll say it. I agree. I'll give it one nasty

coochie-woochie. And I'm also going to give it one nasty coochie-woochie. Oh. And I'm also going to give it to Kathy. Great. Yeah. Aya, how are you feeling? This is tricky. This is tough.

This score that I give in no way reflects my beliefs on the meninist community, to which I am deeply connected. Yeah. Yes. community to which I am deeply connected. However, it's not very kind to women. It's not very kind to women at all and poor Minnie Driver's

character really just suffers and suffers again. She just loses any sense of character, which is a bummer. Even though Robin Williams' dead wife is probably one of the most fleshed out characters just because we know that she farts during her sleep. That is more than

we know about Minnie Driver. So you tell me. We know a lot about Kathy Latty and her nasty coochie moochie. But I think Bechdel score wise

I gotta give I gotta go I gotta go.5 yeah yeah oh and that oh my god and all the women

get harassed wait I gotta I think I might go oh zero oh okay I might go no Coochie Woochie

no Coochie Woochie no no no I still will be watching the movie that's fine I wanna make that clear I'm addicted to that movie I just know everything No coochie-woochie. No coochie-woochie. No, no, no. I still will be watching the movie. That's fine. That's the thing. Make that clear. I'm addicted to that movie.

I just know everything that happens and it feels good to watch it. That's the point of the podcast. It's comforting. You're still allowed to love the things you love, even if they're, you know, bad will hunting. But, you know, we just encourage people to examine the media critically that they consume. That feels good. I'm going to go home and watch it, but I'm going to be playing it on mute. And on surround sound, I'm going to be playing Chris Brown and R. Kelly songs at the same time.

On full blast until my ears bleed. And so knowing that I have the safety to do that makes me feel really good. Kind of like a Wizard of Oz Dark Side of the Moon thing. And that's exactly. But with Good Will Hunting. But with Good Will Hunting. And an R. Kelly, Chris Brown collab. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah. All right. This is a safe space. Thank you. Ayo, thank you so much for being here. Do you want to come over? To do that with you? To watch? Yeah.

I'll be there, yeah. Okay. Obviously. Anytime. You seem like you're sitting in your seat still. Oh, here I go. Here I come. I'll catch up with you guys later. Oh, here I go. Here I come. I'll catch up with you guys later.

Yeah, okay, cool. Just close up the pot. I just want to make sure. I think this could be a really fun, cool idea. No, I'm there. Okay. I'll catch up with you guys later. I'll just head out first.

I'll just meet you guys at my place. Before you do, plug your stuff, though. Where can people find you online? You can find me on Instagram and Twitter. My at is just my name, A-Y-O-E-D-E-B-I-R-I. I'm in LA right now doing shows every now and again, and I post them when I'm doing them. So check those out.

Might be coming out with a pod of my own soon. Gasp. So freaking stay tuned. Holy shit. Yeah, so you guys can do that. Thank you for following follow Ayo on those places you can follow us

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