The Bechdel Cast - Grease 2 with Solomon Georgio

Episode Date: September 7, 2017

Caitlin and Jamie invite Cool Rider Solomon Georgio to talk about Grease 2, but we're not even sure it's him because he never took off his helmet.(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @solomongeorgio... on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:41 Hear episodes of Rip Current early and completely ad-free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iHeartTrue Crime Plus only on Apple Podcasts. On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effing vast. Start changing it with the Bechdel cast. Hi, welcome to the Bechdel cast. You're listening to the Bechdel cast. This is our podcast about movies and women in them. My name's Jamie.
Starting point is 00:02:12 My name's Caitlin. And this is our podcast called the Bechdel cast, which is our podcast. What is this, the Groundhog Day episode? But what's it about? Women and the movies that they're in. Specifically, how those movies portray the female characters. Oh, yeah. And how it's often not very good.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Almost always bad. Yeah. Yeah. Breaking news quick at the top of the episode, we have heard from Alfred Molina. Yes. As of today, I, you can attest, called you weeping in my garage uh which is where i fled to i just ran to my garage and called you and uh alfred molina must and and not to call him out but he must search his own name regularly on twitter.com because you did not mention him you
Starting point is 00:03:04 did not add him he was not add him he was not tagged right he was not tagged in any way and he certainly does not follow me on twitter.com so he must have found it i believe what i said was that i i got so distracted by thinking about how chris noth is the poor man's alfred melina that i walked into traffic which is true i did that this morning because i've been watching the good wife and i hate it but i keep watching it but alfred melina found that quoted it was extremely humble wanted to give chris not his due which like why bother but whatever uh and and now he alleges that he will come on this podcast so after what a full year this is the closest we've gotten and i'm not gonna let it go right we will stop at nothing to get alfred melina on this
Starting point is 00:03:52 podcast we know he's nearby we'll do it we basically made out we're recording this on august 17th the episode won't come out for a couple weeks after this. By the time it comes out, he might have already... He probably would have divorced his wife. We'll be fully... I realize recently it's my dream to have stepchildren who are older than me and hate me. And I think that marrying Alfred Molina is going to be an amazing shortcut to achieving that.
Starting point is 00:04:22 For sure. Yeah. So anyways, that's the breaking news we'll keep you posted as of august 17th i'm still flying high and and crying about it indeed there you go bringing it back to the cast uh hey we should mention what the what this even what is bechdel well it's a test it requires that two women have to talk to each other in a movie. They have to have names. And their conversation has to be about something that's not a man. Da-da-da. So we will check in with this movie that we're talking about later on to see if it passes the Bechdel test.
Starting point is 00:04:55 But before we do that, we should introduce our terrific guest. Okay. He is a hilarious comedian. He has a half hour coming out on Comedy Central and his first album coming out in October. Solomon Giorgio! Hi! Thanks for being here. Thanks for coming.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Thanks for being okay with me being late. That's fine. No problem. One of us is late almost every episode. Oh, okay. Sorry. I've been so late that I've missed the episode. It's all good.
Starting point is 00:05:28 So we're here to talk about Grease 2. So why did you pick this movie? What's your relationship to it? When did you first see it? It is one of those movies that I think is a sequel that's better than the original. I think I watched it in like 1985 on like TBS or TNT. Because it came out in what 82 yeah yeah so i was like a young kid and like i think i watched grease before it and then i was just like i get it
Starting point is 00:05:52 but then i saw the second i was like this this is what good movies are i probably watched it 20 plus times it's one of those ones that's always, always, always on TV. Just like the really bad TNT edit of Kill Bill that's always on TV that I love. I'm trying to think of other movies that are always on basic cable for some reason. I feel like Back to the Future is always on. Not as much as you think. The Fugitive. Yeah. I love that movie.
Starting point is 00:06:21 It's one of the few movies where wherever it starts, I will sit down and watch it. Yeah. I'm that movie. It's one of the few movies where wherever it starts, I will sit down and watch it. Yeah. I'm perfectly fine. It's supposed to be like cheap to license because there's like five movies that are always on television no matter what. And Heat is another one, which is very weird because it's a very long movie. Yeah, it's forever long. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Jamie, when did you first see Grease 2? Today. Same. Yeah. In fact, I thought I had seen the first one all the way through apparently i have not because i watched it yesterday and i do not remember the second half of it at all so i had not seen that entire first one until yesterday and i gotta be honest i don't really like it uh i think yeah i like it up until a certain point, right up to Stalker Channing's abortion song. And then after that, I'm like, I'm done.
Starting point is 00:07:07 It's hard to stay on board after that. The first Grease, I've seen it a bunch of times and I did it for Summer Stock Theater and all this. Man, it's an exhausting show with a deeply questionable message. I do think that the message is the same in Grease 2, but it's flipped in a way that I like way better. But it also wasn't like when Sandy churned at the end. That was out of nowhere. Right, right. There was no process.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Literally no need for that to happen at all. He was already on board. Yeah, and she's like, oh, I wear leather jackets and smoke cigarettes now. And he's like, even better. The transformation takes place for most, I mean, like a good hour. There's a lot of
Starting point is 00:07:54 motorcycle learning montages. Oh, in Grease 2? Yeah. It was a really, I really liked it. I was riveted. I had a fun time watching it. Yeah, I for sure like it a great deal more than the original, the first one. Well, it made the pink ladies the star, which I think is the better. And also, if you're talking about leading men, Max Caulfield versus John Travolta,
Starting point is 00:08:17 I'm fucking going Caulfield. Yes. Every time. 100%. Yeah, this felt like Grease 2 just felt like a really good rewrite to the first Grease. Yeah. Like it's just
Starting point is 00:08:29 a better version of the first one. Yeah, it felt like a later draft that was like, what if we just make this whole thing better? And yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:34 But I do love though that basically this movie is about a woman not liking a very handsome British man because he doesn't wear a leather jacket.
Starting point is 00:08:44 He's a nerd. He's a nerd. He's such a nerd because he doesn't wear leather jackets. He's a nerd. He's such a nerd because he's British. But she also doesn't like the toughest boy in school. She's also done with him. I guess she just needed a combination. She needed a sensitive guy who wears
Starting point is 00:09:00 leather jackets. That's all she wanted. And she was not lying because the second one came around she got on his motorcycle and was like, I don't care what your face is. I was really hoping for a more I was really hoping for a more dramatic Phantom of the Opera style room.
Starting point is 00:09:17 In the weird scene at the end with the Grecian pool. I was like, oh yeah, like high school. Yeah, that happens. The big float. Where he comes in, I was like, oh yeah, like high school. Yeah, that's happening. The big float. Where he comes in, I was like, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:09:27 I wanted her to, that's maybe my only grip of this movie. I wanted her to take off his helmet, or his, not even his helmet. His weird goggles.
Starting point is 00:09:35 His Phantom of the Opera mask that he's wearing for the whole movie. But also, how great would it be to just have sex with somebody wearing a helmet
Starting point is 00:09:42 and never see it? I've been married to the same man who's been wearing a scuba helmet for 12 years. And we're very happy. I have no idea who he is. I've been married to V from V for Vendetta. Hasn't said a single word to me
Starting point is 00:09:57 and I'm having a great time. All of these people we just described are better at hiding their face than the Phantom of the Opera. You let it out very quickly. Yeah. And it's like, oh, it's Gerard Butler with some sort of allergic reaction happening on one half of his face. Well, I think that's a great transition to the recap of Grease 2.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Oh, for sure. So the story is about Stephanie. She's sort of the lead of the Pink Ladies, this kind of clique at Lydell High School. Stephanie had been dating the leader of the T-Birds. Is that what they're called? The T-Birds. His name is Johnny. And she's like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:10:37 I'm over it. We're over. I'm single now. Yeah, you're a perv. I'm done. Yeah. Then who shows up but Michael Carrington, a British man whose cousins with Sandy,
Starting point is 00:10:49 Olivia Newton-John's character from the first one. Very fun throwaway detail. Right. I also like that he spends the whole movie speaking in a British accent, but Sandy was Australian. I mean, I guess there can be intercontinental cousins. Or was she from New Zealand?
Starting point is 00:11:02 I can't remember now. Australia, I'm pretty sure. She was? Okay. Yeah. In any New Zealand? I can't remember now. Australia, I'm pretty sure. She was? Okay. Yeah. In any case, it's confusing, their relationship. But he shows up, and he's handsome to boot. And he takes an interest in Stephanie, but she's like,
Starting point is 00:11:16 you don't wear enough leather jackets. You don't have enough motorcycles. So hard pass. So he's like, well, I'm going to have to win her over somehow. So, he starts saving up money. He's writing essays for the other T-Bird guys. Buys a motorcycle, gets a leather jacket, gets some goggles, turns into this mystery man. Then, Stephanie is like, ooh, leather jacket, goggles, sign me up. So, she just like hops on the back of his motorcycle they have a kiss a little smooch and then at one point in the movie there's these like other leather jacket wearing guys from i think another school and they show up a little yeah they're not the t-birds they're just another group that seems similar to the T-Birds. They look and behave identically. They did the same thing in the first movie.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Right. The one guy gets called Craterface a lot. So they show up, and then the T-Birds start getting wise to Michael, whose identity still remains unknown. And they're like, who's this other, who's this mystery guy? None of us like him. So they all chase him, and he jumps over this ravine, I guess. And everyone thinks he dies.
Starting point is 00:12:28 So then Stephanie's sad and she's like, well, no. And then everyone's gearing up for this talent show. And then he shows up and he's like, I'm not dead. And then they are in love. The end. The talent show is, okay okay help me out here because there are the three spiffy young men who are good at singing who see several times and at the end the t-birds are like we're gonna take their jackets which is where they hid their talent because then the t-birds
Starting point is 00:12:58 go on stage and suddenly they can sing and they're really good i don't know why they kidnapped the sweet little spiffy boys. It's like Jesus in the Technicolor Dreamcoat. Is that what that is about? Joseph. Joseph. Very, very close. Jane is.
Starting point is 00:13:16 It's all the same to me. It's exactly the same. Biblical names bleed together. No, I'm going to stand by Jesus in the Technicolor Dreamcoat. Jesus was not stylish from what i've seen judas however if we were to judge from his first number in jc superstar extremely stylish i've been trying to figure out how to get that outfit for myself for years it's like a two-piece orange tie-dye it's great you. You're going to have to make it. Yeah, I think, yeah. That's the rule. That's what Judas had to do.
Starting point is 00:13:46 That's what Judas had to do. It's so good. Anyways, what are we talking about? The Spiffy Boys. But I think the most important part of this movie that we glossed over was the return of Didi Khan as Frenchie. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Which I think is so weird. So does she re-enroll back in school to learn chemistry so she can develop skin care products? That's not how high school works. You don't go back for one class. The best, like I never, Frenchie's life is my favorite life because it doesn't make any sense. The fact that her character just leaves school and becomes a beauty school dropout has nothing to do with the first movie. Yeah. It's,
Starting point is 00:14:26 I like the fact that Frenchie just shows up and you're like, here's her side story and you need to know it and it will not make any sense to anyone. Well,
Starting point is 00:14:32 how much time has passed between the two movies? I know it's like four years between the movies were released, but like narratively. Two years. Okay, only two years.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Two years. But she was a senior, so she spent two years. But she didn't graduate. Okay. So I think she just came back for her senior year to graduate.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Okay. And I think she's just going to go on to another school. I have no idea exactly how the world of cosmetics work but I'm pretty sure You don't need a campus.
Starting point is 00:14:59 There is yeah every scene D.D. Conn is in is so because everyone in this movie is 30, but she looks 30. And so, and then there's that scene where she's like working at her side job.
Starting point is 00:15:12 And it's like, I, it's so unclear. And then she says several, she's like, Stephanie's one of my best friends. But they almost never talk. You've never seen them hang out. Like, are you lying? It's just like a pink ladies thing. But she sort of almost plays like an oracle kind of phase, but not giving any solid advice. Just like, this is what's happening.
Starting point is 00:15:33 She's like, oh, you're not a T-bird, so you can't even look at Stephanie. She really just gives exposition from the previous movie. Right. Like, she doesn't push the plot forward. Like, does she? she i mean she's not just like well this is how the pink ladies and the t-birds work and if you don't know that then and then she just like you know disappears but she also looks like she it's not also that's not how it worked when she went to school there like she saw that like a shift in that power
Starting point is 00:16:00 dynamic and then she's all of a sudden she's I'm just going to reinforce it for this young boy. Right. It used to be this way. I changed a little bit but it's going to stay this way again. I'm going to go to Shining Time Station. Oh, you know, she's living in the past.
Starting point is 00:16:15 What else do you expect? She is. She's back in high school. She's the person coming back to the frat house. It's just like, oh. I want to see her
Starting point is 00:16:23 like 30 years later a la Strangers with Candy going back to high school as like. It's just like, I want to see her like 30 years later a la Strangers with Candy going back to high school as like a 47 year old. I want to see that sequel. Grease 3, baby. She's living in some sort of very strange feedback loop.
Starting point is 00:16:36 I'm here to get my AP English course because I'm going to become a poet. She's going to high school but she's only taking a chemistry class. It just doesn't get it. And then she's going to high school but she's only taking a chemistry class it just doesn't and then she's in that's like the one scene she is in with with stephanie is when all the pink ladies that are always together come in and they see frenchie but they still kind of make fun of
Starting point is 00:16:58 her a little bit like it's confusing they're kind of mean to each other all the pink ladies yes yeah that's kind of their one gets slut shamed by another one and uh didn't care much for that she's like you'd fool around with anyone and uh they're also mean to those twin cheerleader girls i don't know they're mean girls yeah let's keep reinforcing the stereotype yeah, so who do we have female character-wise? We've got Stephanie. That's Michelle Pfeiffer. And then her other pink ladies, I think, are Paulette. There's Rhonda. I think one more whose name I didn't ever catch.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Oh, right. Sharon's the one who's backed into the bunker, right? Yes. Oh, gets, like, manipulated into sex. Because he's going to war. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad that she doesn't, or, like manipulated into sex. Because he's going to war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:46 I'm glad that she doesn't or like nothing happens and they don't go through with it. Because otherwise that would have been horrific. Yeah. That scene didn't age very well, did it? No. And also like a lot of scenes in this movie have no, like if you take that scene out, the movie's unchanged. It's a musical number that's what it both both greases are like that you can take an entire thing out and you're like this has nothing oh this is the same well yeah because especially
Starting point is 00:18:17 in the first grease you could go from the first moment to the last moment and it's pretty much the whole story is like she's not like the other girls just kidding she is that would be sober yeah okay so the other there's dolores which is i think paulette's younger sister she's the one who's like i ride a skateboard i'm not old enough to drive and then we've got frenchie we've got a few teachers and school administrators like miss mason everyone makes fun of her hair slash compliments it. Mr. Spears. What's wrong with him? At the end he walks into a
Starting point is 00:18:52 pool. I do love the, like both movies have the same situation, just this airhead school administrator that doesn't know how to function. Miss McGee and Blanche? Yes. They're this little duo of clueless.
Starting point is 00:19:07 However, I do love, it is an 80s trope that I wish would return, is Paulette's younger sister, the tough little girl, that's there for no other reason but to just show up and be like, I'm fucking tough, and then just disappear. And then she pops up again at the end. You're like, oh, yeah. Oh, right. You were a person in this movie. She's like, we have to break up.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Well, the first time you meet her, she's talking to Michael. And he's like, can I walk you home? She's like, I don't need a babysitter. And he's like, well, what if it's a date? And meanwhile, she's 13. And you're like, oh. That is gross. But I do.
Starting point is 00:19:43 It's a weird thing. But that trope, I think, it comes back every once in a while, and I love it so much. I think it should always come back. Because the last time we saw it was Kick-Ass. Ooh, yeah. And the only time that trope ever got their own movie, I believe, was Curly Sue. Oh, I've never seen that.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Oh, I haven't seen that either. Just, yeah, the whole tough little girl who has to deal with a shitty world. Yeah. And she's had enough. Yeah, she's our little punky in this one. I like Dolores. And if you don't like her, she's in it for five minutes
Starting point is 00:20:10 to tell. She's there to just add some spice and then get out. Exactly. So the first point I wanted to make, and we already kind of
Starting point is 00:20:18 touched on this, one of the reasons I didn't like the first Grease very much and why I like this one a lot better is that the first one, the female lead,
Starting point is 00:20:25 Sandy, was very passive. Things were just sort of happening to her. She didn't really have any agency. She spent most of the movie just pining over Danny Zuko and then being like, well, he doesn't want to be with me or he's with another girl
Starting point is 00:20:37 and I'm sad and I'm not going to do anything about it. And then in the end, she basically changes everything about herself for no reason. And it works. And it works. She got him even though she would have had him anyway. Yeah, decides before.
Starting point is 00:20:52 I love her man. Now she's doing what I want. Now she's hot. And I can control her. And then they fly away. So that is stupid. But then you see a shift with Grease 2 where Stephanie becomes the protagonist.
Starting point is 00:21:13 She's got agency. We know what she wants. She very explicitly says it in a whole song and dance number. It's so good. The best song of all the Grease movies. Cool Rider is so good. It's so good. The best song of all the Grease movies. Cool Rider is so good. It is so good. It's funny how that song sort of
Starting point is 00:21:30 ends. There's a lot of songs in this movie that end with, like, it's usually one person singing it, and they'll just walk away, and the song will fade out as they're walking away by themselves talking about what they want. You're just like, this is great. Like, Cool Rider fades out when Michelle Pfeiffer
Starting point is 00:21:45 just walks out of school. That's what I want. I'm talking to myself. We're to believe she keeps singing. We just can't hear her anymore. It's great. So there's that moment
Starting point is 00:21:54 where we're like, okay, we know at least what she wants. You know, as the audience, we have an understanding of what she's all about. And then there's another moment in the bowling alley,
Starting point is 00:22:02 I think, where... The bowling song. The bowling song. And then Johnny's all moment in the bowling alley, I think, where... The bowling song. The bowling song. And then Johnny's all like, I want my trophy, calling women literal trophies. Judy Garland's daughter's having none of that. Exactly. Eventually. Oh, wait, is that who that is?
Starting point is 00:22:17 Laura Luft, yeah. Oh, Laura Luft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know. Wait, she plays, is it Paulette? She plays Paulette. Oh, I didn't know. Wait, she plays, is it Paulette? She plays Paulette. Oh, I didn't know that. And if you rewatch it with that, her inflection, she's just totally doing mommy.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Lauren Love's super talented. Nice. Yeah, she gets called a trophy, but she's like the second place, or she's like, you're the runner-up or the whatever, best average. And he's like, what about first place, best score? And Stephanie's all like, I'm not a trophy. But she never argues. She sort of is accepting.
Starting point is 00:22:51 She's like, yeah, I'm the hottest. I just don't want to date you. Yeah, she's like, I ain't no one's trophy. I kiss who I want, when I want. I'll kiss the next guy who comes into this shit. Who happens to be hot british michael but the problem so she has more agency than the female lead in the first movie great however the problem for me is that everything is still like that song that conversation the whole story is still framed
Starting point is 00:23:21 around like which guy she's gonna end up with with. So it's like, you know, still not the feminist masterpiece that we're hoping for. It's very true. However, it is based on her decision. Right. Which is good. Yes. Because she's still got Johnny being like, I want you, I want you. And she's just like, no, I already told you we're through.
Starting point is 00:23:40 And he keeps trying. And she's like, no, I'm going be with who I want and it's gonna be this mystery Phantom of the Opera motorcycle guy. Love the Phantom of the Opera. It is such a good reference. It never gets old. Except when
Starting point is 00:23:57 he takes off his mask. He's extremely hot underneath and hotter than everyone else in the movie. I'm gonna start wearing Phantom of the Opera masks on dates and stuff. Because then when you take it off, guys are like, wow! No matter what's there, they'll be like, cool! Better than the mask! Yeah, you're hotter than that mask you were just wearing.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Johnny is weird because I watched the first one as well and Johnny is like a less slightly less desirable Danny Zuco character. So I feel like they're almost commenting on that character and what a piece of shit he is. He is, though.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Because he's like basically the same character, but this time Stephanie's like, no, you're dumb. And like points out everything that is wrong with basically Danny Zuko. Yeah, and that is exactly what should be done. Danny Zuko is a piece of shit. He's a crummy dude.
Starting point is 00:24:44 With both of those characters, Danny Zuko and Johnny, they're just like dripping with toxic masculinity. And I feel like this movie does a little bit better job than the first one of being like, hey, maybe this isn't the best quality to have as a man. Well, this movie like, yeah, like frames it and kind of all the T-Birds is like, that's not attractive.
Starting point is 00:25:04 And it's not something that will get you a girlfriend. Except does Johnny end up with Paulette? Does she end up accepting? I think so. Oh, bummer. Well. I watched it one and a half times, so I forget what happened. But I do think they end up together.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And then I think a couple of the other pink ladies end up with the other. But they're, you know, like secondary characters who are not very invested in. And there is a weird plot contrivance code that keeps coming up of like pink ladies can only date T-Birds. And I feel like that's only brought up when there's virtually no other reason for Stephanie to not at least give Michael a chance. She's like, no, I can't or I'll be assassinated or like whatever the weird rules are. It's the pirate's code. Also, what a dumb rule. Yeah. How did that ever come about? It's like, alright, you guys are the pink
Starting point is 00:25:51 ladies with the t-buts. We'll make a rule. We only date each other. Well, what about if future people don't want to date each other? Well, fuck them. Too bad. Figure it out. They can sing a song about it because I don't give a shit. Well, it's like the pirate's code in Pirates of the Caribbean and toward the end they realize
Starting point is 00:26:07 it's more like actual guidelines anyway. You can do whatever you want. Well, it's like they almost call out the fact that that's so fucking, like, because there's one scene where the pink ladies are like, you can only date a T-Bird till graduation anyways.
Starting point is 00:26:19 And it's like two months before graduation. It's like, why would you, what? Why keep enforcing this? Also, the way that time passes in this movie is confusing because it's the first day of school and It's like, why would you? What? Why keep enforcing this? Also, the way that time passes in this movie is confusing. Because it's the first day of school and they're like, time to start getting ready
Starting point is 00:26:29 for the talent show in June. Yeah. September 1st. Right. It's an important talent show. Right. I've said that before. They needed all those times.
Starting point is 00:26:38 I walked into high school and was like, it's time to get ready for the talent show. Also, imagine how long it took to make those amazing costumes and grow them all season. With all the like some adrian shit it was beautiful like my favorite one was like the one who's wearing a baseball glove on her head like that oh i didn't even
Starting point is 00:26:57 catch that detail you need to watch that whole scene in slow motion the talent show is it's yeah it's a ridiculous one like it's the same scene as the dance uh number in the first show is it's yeah it's a ridiculous one like it's the same scene as the dance uh number in the first one where it's like no one no one does this do they like is this a real school i want to go to this school now because i want to see everything that every costume in girl of all seasons is the most incredible costume i've ever seen including the there's another one where michelle pfeiffer comes out she has the most boring costume and then whatever derails the talent show but she's like wearing a white dress because of course and then the girl behind her is wearing a dress that's shaped like a cake and has fake legs popping out it's unbelievable i missed this whole thing oh it's so i'll send you
Starting point is 00:27:41 screenshots you gotta re-watch the talent show. Yeah, I guess so. Speaking of costumes, though, did you catch the part toward the beginning where Stephanie is wearing, like, short pants, and then I think it's, like, Miss McGee is, like, pants, and then she's like, oh, crap, and then she puts on a skirt? Is that because, I guess, pants were against the dress code,
Starting point is 00:28:00 or, like, women weren't allowed to wear pants? Yeah. Back then? Yeah. Okay, I just wanted to confirm. Pants were, I think the rule, probably if it's back then, the rule was wear a skirt and your skirt can't be shorter
Starting point is 00:28:12 than where your fingers meet. Yeah. Or even longer, I would think. Probably longer then, yeah. Yeah. Because this is still, the way they remind you what era this movie takes place in
Starting point is 00:28:23 is very clumsy in a way I thought was funny. Where they would just be like, as John F. Kennedy would say, who is still alive. Before the luau, the principal spews out this JFK quote and is like, and now for the luau. But no, wearing pants at school was a big no-no. Right. And why did she wear them to school in the first place? Fuck them. She should wear pants wherever she wants to. I agree. She's a pink lady. You don't change the rules
Starting point is 00:28:53 by not breaking them. Ask for forgiveness, not permission. The rule of Stephanie. The Stephanie Code. Data, masked British guy who I think also does a fake American accent when he's doing his thing. I feel like.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Oh, yeah, I guess he does. Because otherwise, like, that would be a dead giveaway for who he is. So he's doing like a fake American thing. She full on makes out with him for like hours without being like, do you want to take off those goggles? By the way, who are you?
Starting point is 00:29:23 No, but I get like I'm on board with this. There's a version of my like if I had the opportunity to make out with a goggled man when I was 16, 100% of course. Really? I'd do it now. I wouldn't. I'd do it I'll go outside. I'd get on the
Starting point is 00:29:40 first motorcycle that pulls up. Like if I start singing Cool Rider and a great human being in a helmet shows up and I'm just like you know what this wasn't meant to be yours oh god and then oh uh can we talk about the the dream sequence sure i love the dream sequence it's i don't remember the dream sequence oh it's uh when stephanie still thinks that michael's dead or cool riders dead and then she has that whole scene when she ruins the talent show which like she ruins the talent show by being in the chorus and not knowing the words but anyways she starts singing her own song and then it cuts to this dream sequence of her
Starting point is 00:30:19 running towards cool rider she's wearing a grecian dress and then he he's not a good singer but he's like babe what if i oh michael yeah alive she's like i wish you were and then they have a very intense uh weird exchange she's like just when i thought i found you i lost you and he's like i know but it doesn't matter now because we can always be together. She's like, okay. And then she wins the talent show. It's great. I think I must have like drifted off during the talent show because I don't remember. It's logistically one of the most, it's a fever dream of listening.
Starting point is 00:30:59 So many things happen, but none of it matters. I do remember Johnny like going out onto the stage or being pushed on stage and ruining someone else's song. I don't know. That's when they steal the Spiffy Boys jackets and all their singing talents. It's very weird. There's no allowance of resetting a song.
Starting point is 00:31:18 They're not like, you want to start? No, no, we're going to just go ahead and say this is ruined. You can't do it again. The show must go on. But Johnny also wins. It's almost like the talent show didn't happen because the two people who win respectively ruined the numbers that they were in.
Starting point is 00:31:34 But they're like, no, we're putting you out on the luau float in the pool. It's really weird how the school just functions with two gangs. Yeah, it does. That they're very aware of. Right, and it's like if you don't, there are people there who don't belong to either of those, but really only to be shoved and told to shut the fuck up. I'm pretty sure the other kids at school are like,
Starting point is 00:31:55 they're a cult, and they're just totally okay with this. The rest of the people are thriving. Yeah, they're doing fine. They're writing their own homework assignments, and they're doing great. Yeah, both of the gangs that run the school are dumb as rocks. Like, all of them without reservation are full-on morons. And, like, I would include Stephanie in that assessment, because we hear snippets of her essay.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Right. And it is ridiculous. There's that scene where they're at the diner and he's like helping her with her Shakespeare essay. And everything that she's saying, just like making up words and saying very stupid things. Like Shakespeare. And it makes you wonder, why does Michael like her? Obviously he wants to fuck her. But like, what about her personality?
Starting point is 00:32:38 There's something great about Michelle Pfeiffer that very few people acknowledge. And that is she looks like a very dainty blonde lady but she is the most Jersey Italian persona yeah everything I've ever seen her and she's like I've murdered some people now I'm here
Starting point is 00:32:57 but I looked good doing it I don't know why I easily love those kind of characters where you're like I feel like she can just beat us all up. And I'm quite content with that. She's Catwoman.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Catwoman, Married to the Mob is a phenomenal movie where she is... Oh, I have seen that. It's a good one. She's running away from the mob. I would love to see Michelle Pfeiffer run from the mob. Scarface is another one oh yeah i always forget that's her she's in scarface yeah oh so that was that was right
Starting point is 00:33:30 after grease too she was exactly weird it's a solid follow-up well i was reading a little bit about maxwell caulfield who is very bitter aboutase 2 and like blames it for ruining his career which I guess named something he did after I personally get but uh well there's like a quote from him saying like oh they were saying I was the next Richard Gere but then Grease 2 sucked and I never bounced back he was like in the elephant man on Broadway like he was a serious actor and then I guess took took a gamble on a little blockbuster and thought that it kind of ruined his career.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Oh, please. That's not true. Most of the people from that movie kept working. Right. Everyone's in... It seems par for the course, but he's bitter about it, baby. I don't care. How did he age?
Starting point is 00:34:25 I mean, I don't care. Is he still not, did he, how did he age? I mean, I guess realistically, he aged realistically. Here's a picture of him now. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, he's doing fine. He's okay. It's not the way I prefer. Perhaps not for me, but like. He looks slippery.
Starting point is 00:34:40 He looks like he just covered in jam. He's covered in grease. A la grease. I did really enjoy his solo number where, again, he's just wandering around singing to himself. What's the name of the song? Oh, Charades. Oh, yeah. Charades.
Starting point is 00:35:03 A lot of the singing in this movie sounds mumbled. It is. I think the only song I can recall is Cool Writer. The other songs definitely fall to the wayside. Well, there's this song about, I like how there's a whole song about women's reproduction. When the substitute teacher just comes in. I like that. Most of the song and all the imagery on the board in the classroom is like
Starting point is 00:35:27 plants but he's drawing a woman's uterus and like fallopian tubes and she's a substitute give him a break but anyway and then he's asking different members of the class when is it the best time for a woman to conceive so i guess they're in sex ed class even though it seems like they're in biology but then they sing the whole song which is obviously like subtext and also the music teacher is watching right she comes in so she's a music appreciation teacher right but then
Starting point is 00:35:53 but more importantly she's horny but they're in her class Stephanie submits her like Shakespeare essay to her class so she's also an English teacher there's no that's very confusing what's happening at Rydell? Grease 1 and Grease 2 there's no it's very confusing what's happening at right
Starting point is 00:36:05 one and grease two are all about it's all about teen sex but no one is directly talking about it in a manner that makes any sense right every student or really having it like characters have sex in the first one because there's a pregnancy scare i feel like no one actually has sex in this one well there's thatoff line that ends with the principal breaking the fourth wall, where she's like, I haven't had my period in two months. And then she makes some sort of punctuation joke. Oh, she's like, you can stay after school to make those up. Hilarious joke.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Right. And then she goes, uh, and turns to a camera. They're like, okay, I guess that was worthwhile. I liked the reproduction song strictly for the kid with the bass voice who goes like where does the pollen go 400 times oh i found it interesting so many times on this podcast we have come across a movie where a man surprise kisses a woman just out of nowhere without permission that happens in, yes, I thought of that, too. That happens in this movie, except the roles are reversed,
Starting point is 00:37:08 where a woman surprise kisses a man. What do we think? Well, I think it's just about as okay as it is when a man does it to a woman, which is not okay. But he was, like, smitten by it. Right. Which is how they decided to portray that reaction in this movie might that happen in real life to certain men sure but also other men might be like oh i don't want to be surprised
Starting point is 00:37:33 kissed without my permission right by anyone it is the trope and it isn't because the one i always return to just because it's the most egregious example of that is the brendan fraser i know you're gonna is the mummy where he's in a cage and he lunges feral fraser feral fraser he's shirtless he's dirty he lunges at a woman and kisses her and then he's like you deserved it like it's like the most insane throwaway scene in the mummy and we're still supposed to be like he's how romantic he can't be controlled yes that's what i love about him he won't listen um but yeah i mean because they played it i don't know he was into it i mean and maybe maybe i'm am i victim blaming maxwell caulfield oh no I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:29 That registered with me, too, but I was like, oh, but it made him so happy. I mean, if people are going to kiss each other, let there be some lead in. Let the person know you were about to kiss them and make sure they're okay with it. Let them go on a date first. Yeah. She will not accept his invitation for a date, no matter how many times he asks. Tomorrow? The next day? The day after.
Starting point is 00:38:49 And she's like, you don't understand. I'm beholden by this insane code. Oh, yeah, and then she mumbles and walks away. Unless you're this guy from my dreams. And he'll show up. And he does. He does. I love that precedent.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Look, that is very much, the movie is about the secret. Yeah, Michelle, if I ever manifest hard in this movie. To the point where he shows up at the gas station she works at. She's overwhelmed. Everyone's like, are you going to clean my windshield? Can I pay for this? Where are your maps? She's like, I'm just going to get on the back of his motorcycle and run away.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Other trope we've come up against a number of times. Woman who we know isn't like the other girls because she knows about a car. She knows a thing or two about a car. A la Julia Roberts in My Best Friend's Wedding. And Transformers. Megan Fox. Right. It's like I and we never see her do work on a car, but she says the word windshield.
Starting point is 00:39:50 We see her in something overall like and you're like, oh, okay. She was definitely wearing the least amount of clothes to work on a car. Yeah. Yeah. She's working at like a gas station, like auto body shop. Right. People need maps. Oh, my God. There was a time where that was true.
Starting point is 00:40:07 That's crazy. Yeah. I didn't even pick up on that. Good noticing the trope, Jamie. Ding, ding, ding. I also love that this movie, I think, appeals to me so strongly because it is a movie with a lot of needless musical numbers, which I love. And it's about a woman taking a man and fixing him which is my objective yeah that is although she's not very active in fixing him he sort of he's the
Starting point is 00:40:37 one who's like i'm gonna change everything about myself even easier but it's a manifest destiny she just like gives him the cliff notes via cool rider of like this is what i need you to do come back when you've done exactly like freddie pince jr had to she's all that yeah whole way through and she's like you know i'm not gonna lift a finger for you if you want to be this person you have to figure it out you're gonna need to like put a motorcycle together with scrap metal you're gonna need to put a motorcycle together with scrap metal. You're gonna need to be practicing every day after school with Frenchie
Starting point is 00:41:10 the weird feral adult who wanders the street in her old jacket making creams. And he had to become the best guy on the motorcycle. Not even just good at a motorcycle, he had to become the best. He jumps over a hundred foot wide ravine.
Starting point is 00:41:28 She was not going to accept anything beneath a cool rider. How did he get so good so fast? Look, if you have the need and you have the energy, look, it's her vision board. She had the strength. And he's manifesting too. Two vision boards working at the same time can do a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:41:49 I keep screaming this at my loved ones. And no one responds. You're right, though. I mean, he changes everything. So wait, are we to believe, what happens at the end exactly? So he comes back at the luau in his garb, in his goggles, in his leather vest. It's basically the point of no return in Phantom of the Opera.
Starting point is 00:42:12 But then, so he reveals who he is and Stephanie's all like, cool, I like you still. And then he's like, I wouldn't think you would have liked me if you knew who I actually was. She's like, you're crazy. You did the work. Is he though? Because she said in the beginning, oh, I wouldn't like you would have liked me if you knew who I actually was. She's like, you're crazy. You did the work. Is he though? Because she said in the beginning, oh, I wouldn't like you when you're you. She's gaslighting him and I'm completely okay with that. It's nice to see it the other way around every once in a while.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Like, no, I always liked you. Oh, yeah. You're not crazy at all. Yeah, let her do it. Yeah. Please, let's see more women gaslighting men. You're not crazy at all. Yeah, let her do it. Yeah. Please, let's see more women gaslighting men. You're right. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Well, there's like that small, I feel like the only reason that was supposed to work, besides the fact that nothing in this movie has to make sense per se, is like there was a little bit of a connection in that scene in the diner where she's like, you probably think I'm dumb. And he's like, no, I think you're really hot. He still doesn't say, I don't think you're dumb.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Well, he's like, I'm dumb too. I just have a British accent, so no one notices. And I can say some big words. Don't be insecure. You're writing everyone at this high school's essays. He's gaslighting himself. Aren't we all? That's the thing. If you're so good at gaslighting,
Starting point is 00:43:25 you'll eventually make somebody gaslight themselves. And that is... That's just another way of manifesting and cutting out the middleman. So in that way, she's like an evil mastermind and I respect her. Yes. She got what she wanted
Starting point is 00:43:42 by literally putting the least amount of effort and by just simply a manipulative suggestion you're right via a very catchy song maybe that's what we're all probably the catchiest song yeah
Starting point is 00:43:52 yeah I mean Cool Rider is better than any song in Greece one yeah it doesn't mention if you raped a woman in it at all
Starting point is 00:44:00 which is oh right did she put up a fight yeah that's still right there but I mean in this one the the bomb shelter scene is like oh there is i mean at first she's like i want to leave and he's like you can't you can't there's a war outside there's nuclear bombs dropping around
Starting point is 00:44:18 okay but they're both fucking dumb as rocks it's well yeah she he convinces her that the russians are dropping nuclear warheads on them right just right then and she's like you're right we have to we have to stay in here for our country and make love for our country and then i think they're about to start like making out and then she's like wait a minute and then opens the door i forget what happens but she opens the door and then the two other t-Birds fall out into the bunker that they're in. And she does leave. And she's like, oh! So I like that there's a bunch of times in this movie
Starting point is 00:44:51 where the T-Birds, who are very toxic in their masculinity, are being very toxic toward the women, and they don't stand for it. They're like, uh-uh, no, you're being gross, no thank you. Well, they put up with it for a little bit, but then they eventually fight. They succumb because they all end up together at the end, which is not ideal. But I feel like in the first movie, a lot of that toxic masculinity went unchallenged. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Do you remember in one of the very opening scenes in the first Grease, there's just a guy lying on the bleachers looking up a woman's skirt. And then she, like, noticed. Someone points it out to her, and she's just like, ah, and she runs away. And then all the other dudes are like, oh, cool. Well, that's why it's like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:45:36 the T-Bird characters are, like, kind of unchanged from the first movie, but it's just like they're not made to seem very cool. Right, they're framed differently. They're not in charge of the school. Yeah, yeah. Which is weird that they were ever in charge of the school to begin with. Because they're dumb made to seem very cool. Right, they're framed differently. They're not in charge of the school. Yeah, yeah. It was weird that they were ever in charge of the school to begin with. Because they're dumb as fuck.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Like, Danny Zuko had to take a fucking P.E. class, and he was so frail that he couldn't do anything. I forgot about that, yeah. Why are these guys in charge? They know how to fix up a car. And honestly, in my book, that's the hottest thing you can do. Cars. Cars, cars, cars.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Just kidding. It's like they're the bad gang, and there's an even meaner gang that's cruel than them in a nearby school always, too. Right, within motorcycle distance. So those guys in the first one, they were all about cars, like convertible, whatever. And then in this movie, it's all about the motorcycle. Times are changing, baby. Times are changing. I'll be honest with you.
Starting point is 00:46:29 The motorcycle is my thing, too. I get it. I like it. It's better. I enjoy it. Bad boys. Seems like there's at least some element of skill involved. Danny Zuko jumps no ravine.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Yeah. No ravine is jumped. He does drive through, like, under a bridge. He almost got in danger. Yeah, right. But also, like, there's no, like, He does drive through like under a bridge. He almost got in danger. But also, there's no, like, there's zero, I don't think there's any explanation of the ravine survival. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I think we just assumed that he made the jump and then hid for a few days. Which is also like, the fuck are you doing? I didn't even think of that yeah where was he when he's hiding he's hiding one of two things happened you survived and you should have been at school the next day or you managed to get an injury that required only two days of recovery he's mysterious with parents well he lived with his aunt and uncle. Oh, so, okay. So, Sandy's parents, I guess. Also, this exchange program at the school,
Starting point is 00:47:31 just only taking in one student at a time. And they're always white. And announce them on the intercom the day they get there. By the way, we have another white kid. This is a very white movie, by the way. Even whiter, I think, than the first movie. I cannot confirm that because they're both very white. Is there a non-white character in this movie?
Starting point is 00:47:50 I cannot recall in either film. In the first one, at least, you see a couple extras who are people of color. I don't even know if you see that in Grease 2. No, I was just going to say, looking at this wide shot of the bowling scene is literally like a picture of Paul Ryan's interns.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Like a sea of white teenagers. Very unappealing. Any other scenes that anyone wants to talk, or any other points people would like to make? Oh, man. Oh, this is a great movie. It's so fun. I was prepared for like a, this was like positioned to me as like a great movie. It's so fun. I was prepared for like a... This was like positioned to me as like a bad movie.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Yeah, because people mocked it for so long. Yeah. And I think it's one of those things where it's earned its own cult following. And I prefer it more than the original. Because it's just a little more effervescent and a little... And there's more dynamics between human beings. And just also, fucking... I can't reiterate how great of a song Cool Writer is.
Starting point is 00:48:50 It is hands down. It makes the movie. Like, you should just listen to it in general as a song to listen to because it actually holds up as a pop song on its own. It's really... Yeah. And it's... Oh, we didn't say female director. Choreographer from the first movie, like Solomon said. I love a choreographer-directed movie, i.e. all of the high school musical movies are directed by the choreographer.
Starting point is 00:49:14 And you can tell because story is not super important. And the dance scenes are unbelievable. Exactly. And the dance scenes in this one are superior. They're insane. By far, yeah. They're great. More choreographer-directed movies. Wait, who is the director? What's one are superior. They're insane. By far. Yeah. They're great.
Starting point is 00:49:26 More choreographed. Wait, who was the director? What's her name? Her name is Patricia Birch. Yes. Very good. So she choreographed the first one and then directed and choreographed the second one. I didn't even realize that.
Starting point is 00:49:36 I didn't do my research. Whoops. It's okay. Yeah, I mean, I really liked it. Well, okay. Let me rephrase. I liked it. I'm not a big fan of musicals, I really liked it. Well, okay, let me rephrase. I liked it. I'm not a big fan of musicals.
Starting point is 00:49:48 I liked this one. We'll never comprehend that apart of you, but we get it. I know. I liked this one a whole lot more than Grease 1. And part of that is because I think it treats its female characters a little better. You know, not a huge amount. This could have been, if I was to rewrite this movie, it would be about Stephanie.
Starting point is 00:50:10 She's smart, for one. She's not a fucking dumbass idiot. But everyone in this, like, I was like, well, all the female characters are dumb. I was like, oh, but all the male characters, everyone's dumb. Everyone's dumb. Except for Michael Carrington. But he's also the dumbest of all.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Yeah. Because he changes to be more dumb. He's like, I just want to put my dick in this blonde lady so I have to pretend to be dumb and change everything. But let's be fair, is anyone in high school smart? Yes, I was extremely smart and good and I made no mistakes and I was perfect.
Starting point is 00:50:44 I believe you, I believe you. I believe you. I believe you. I believe you. I mean, even if you're like a dumb, immature teenager, you can still be like academically smart. You don't have to be a fucking idiot who like can't string a sentence together when you're writing a paper about Shakespeare.
Starting point is 00:50:58 So I would have just made her a little smarter. Made her not so beholden to this weird code that they've all decided is a thing and been like actually i'm gonna go and make out with whoever i want which is something that she says she's like i can kiss whoever i want whenever i want and then suddenly she's like actually nope forgot the rules whoops so i would have had her be more proactive about like breaking these established rules you you know, breaking the status quo,
Starting point is 00:51:27 actually doing whatever she wants and not, you know, waiting till a man changes for her. Although I do like that that happens. So I don't know. I just would have made her a little bit more. Yeah. I can in good conscience condemn a man changing.
Starting point is 00:51:42 For me. Has to be a behavior that I would encourage under any circumstances. But he's already, like, mostly perfect on paper. But if you're done as rocks, you wouldn't know. You have to test that pliability.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Sure. True. How willing are you? You're supposed to just assume he might change yeah your taste might change over the years exactly
Starting point is 00:52:09 so like I just want to know will you drive into a ravine for me yeah and he will he will
Starting point is 00:52:15 I have that on my tinder bio you must be willing to drive over a ravine because guess what else he'll do for you wash the dishes yeah
Starting point is 00:52:24 guess what else he'll do for you hide in the dishes. Yeah. Guess what else he'll do for you? Hide in the woods for two days, faking his own death because of the Forcehead. And if he's willing to do that, he'll take... He'll not assume that you'll do his laundry. That's... That. And he'll probably take as long as it takes to try to make you cum. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:52:40 All the time. If he's going to hide for two days, pretending to be dead He's gonna Go down on his own Oh Michael Carrington Eats pussy An hour and a half Hands down There's zero doubt 100%
Starting point is 00:52:49 Like he Moment one You're like This guy eats Johnny That's probably what he's Been learning to do Those two days
Starting point is 00:52:57 Just sucking on peach pits Just making sure The T-Birds think eating pussy is gross yeah totally they're like or they'll do the thing
Starting point is 00:53:12 they're like the 10 second thing like are you good yeah okay my turn you know they're selfish lovers and they have chodes
Starting point is 00:53:20 oh no they probably go in dick hard ready to cum in seconds yeah phew Oh no, they probably go in dick hard, ready to come in seconds. Pew! All right.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Hey, let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the Bechdel test. It does. It for sure does. Like in the first scene, whenever Miss McGee and Blanche come out and they're hanging up the flag. Dude, that weird vaudeville scene. and Blanche come out and they're hanging up the flag. They're just like, they're just like, oh, our students are going to accomplish great things. It's going to be a great school year. Blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And then it happens again, like in the opening dance number. Pink ladies are talking about stuff. They're talking about being late. The twin cheerleaders are like, hey, Miss Mason's hair. I love it. All 300 pounds of it.
Starting point is 00:54:04 They're talking about their friend who gets the nose job. Yeah's hair. I love it. All 300 pounds of it. They're talking about their friend who gets the nose job. Yeah, they're talking about it. And then just several times throughout the movie, because there's a ton of female characters. Probably more than men even. At least ones with significant screen time and speaking roles.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Yeah, because there's a lot of throwaway motorcycle guys who are not part of the rival guys. But they don't talk to him. Yeah, they don't really have lines or anything like that. It's basically crater face, whatever his name is. Yeah, they're mostly grunts. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Yeah. And most of the men we see are those either, like, random substitute teachers or those motorcycle dudes. So at least you get to see, like, a bit more. There's different types of women with speaking roles in this movie. But, yeah, it happens a bunch. There are a lot of scenes where women are talking and they are talking about men but there are probably just as many scenes where they're not and there's a bunch of them yeah and and most of the scenes with all men are they're lamenting or condemning women in some way so it's it goes they're failing the reverse spectral test
Starting point is 00:55:06 is what they're doing. Right. Like this movie, everyone's dumb in the same way. It's weird. So there is like a strange equality to it. Yeah. True.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Oh, I wanted to point out that one of the T-Birds is Thelma's husband from Thelma and Louise. Really? Yeah. He's being problematic. Yeah. He just loves being problematic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:26 That just happens. He got typecasted as a shitty douchebag, at least in those two movies. I don't know what else he's in. That's probably a good chance that he's been a shitty douchebag in more than one. Yeah, probably. Character actors, you gotta love them.
Starting point is 00:55:38 I love a good character actor. Speaking of which... Alfred Molina. Alfred Molina, conceivably, given the age range, was eligible to play a high schooler in this movie oh what a missed opportunity couldn't we have had him as they're like oh there's a lot of motorcycle and then there's this the beefcake and he's a little different he's smart and then he and then he comes in. Well, he was just, he had just done his first role in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I think in 81.
Starting point is 00:56:08 So he was already in the circuit, you know? He could have been. He probably turned it down. He probably got an offer. Yeah. He probably turned it down. I assume that everything has been offered. Okay, let's rate the movie.
Starting point is 00:56:21 We rate on our nipple scale of zero to five nipples based on specifically its portrayal of women. I'm going to give it two, two and a half. I'll go with a two. Because while we do see Stephanie, the lead, having more agency than Sandy in the first movie, it's still, you know, everything is framed around like the guy she's's gonna who's she gonna end up with her relationships to men and there are uh you do see a lot of like female friendships in this movie although a lot of those aren't like poised as these like great things that we should strive for because they're mostly just like mean to each other every friendship in this movie is deeply toxic yeah the whole narrative just revolves around stephanie's pursuit of a man
Starting point is 00:57:08 or his pursuit of her so you know it's not and like i said she's a fucking idiot again everyone is pretty much i don't know there just could have been a better representation of women in this movie so it gets some some nipples off for that um that being said i did full set up yeah i did enjoy watching this like i said i don't really like a lot of musicals but i did have a great time you were right cool rider is a terrific song uh and two nipples they belong to i'm gonna say miss mason who is like we didn't talk much about her but i love how she's mostly just like i'm hot and i spend a lot of time on my hair and I kind of want these high school boys to think I'm fuckable.
Starting point is 00:57:50 And that's... Kind of? Literally, he's like, I want to see all of you. And she's like, we'll see. She could easily also be a student, given the strange age range. Right. So I wasn't super bothered by it.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Yeah, so my two nipples belong to Miss Mason, the music appreciation slash literature teacher at Rydell. Catch all. Yeah. I'm going to give it three. Okay. Because I automatically am biased towards it because it is a fun movie musical. I agree that all the problems you pointed out are very legitimate. Pitting it against Grease 1, it's just...
Starting point is 00:58:31 It fares much better. It's like a fan fiction better version of the first one that works in favor of the female characters. And while it would be cool for Stephanie to be like, I'm actually going to do me right now. That's not how this movie would end in any world. And so I don't know. I liked it.
Starting point is 00:58:52 I give a lot of stuff a pass because everyone in this movie is a fucking moron. Right. If the men were portrayed as more able to manipulate because even like the one big male manipulation we see in the bomb shelter falls apart because everyone involved is a fucking idiot. And the girls have the better songs across the board.
Starting point is 00:59:16 The teacher is weird but also her male counterpart is weird. And then there's the guy from the first movie who passes out in the pool everyone is he's suffering from mental exhaustion or something like that he's very sick because the last time we see him he has just fallen over he's just slouched over at he has like a mouthful of pills that he's trying to swallow and then like a girl screams because there's a rat on her desk.
Starting point is 00:59:46 And then he just passes out. He has muscular dystrophy. He doesn't have control over his body. But anyways, that's another movie. I'm going to give it three. I'm going to give one of them to Mr. Spears because I just want to know more. And then I'm going to give the other two to Paulette because I feel like she ended the movie still thinking she was second best and I wish that she thought, I wish she hadn't settled for
Starting point is 01:00:10 Johnny but I'm sure she like figures that out She should have gone with that nerd guy at the beginning who was like, talking about like the lockers and he's like, you can't go to those lockers! What a weirdo! Or he's like, you have to lock your locker because these guys will steal everything! He says lockers like 45 times and then leaves. Oh, actually that's a really funny joke because he's like, you have to lock your locker because these guys will steal everything. He says lockers like 45 times and then leaves.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Oh, actually, that's a really funny joke because he's speaking to him as though he does not understand English very well because he's from a different country. But his country invented the damn language. He's like, lockers, lockers. You've got to look out. They're tough boys. Lockers, lockers. And then just turns around and leaves. And then a tough boy comes up and he's like, hey, lockers, lockers, and then just turns around and leaves. And then a tough boy comes up and he's like, hey, lockers. Oh, I also wanted to point out, while Stephanie has more agency than like
Starting point is 01:00:51 Sandy in the first movie, she still is not very active. She's just sort of like gliding through the story. Pretty much the only active character is Michael, who's just like changing everything about himself. So if the movie went my way, the way I wanted it to, she would have had a greater desire and done something to actually pursue that and been more active in that. But, you know, whatever. I will do, I'll actually go with
Starting point is 01:01:16 the three nipples as well. And I definitely do agree, the movie should have been the end of the movie should have been the T-Birds being completely dismantled and burned to the ground. They represent the patriarchy. At the end of the movie
Starting point is 01:01:28 let's dismantle it. It should have just been okay I got my dream guy hey pink ladies we're gonna go punch these fucking T-Birds in the face. That would have been
Starting point is 01:01:37 a great ending to the movie. Kind of like in the end of Mean Girls when they're like let's not be mean girls anymore and then when they're seniors you see they're just like
Starting point is 01:01:44 all friendly and cool and hanging out with whoever and then you see the junior plastics and they're like, let's not be Mean Girls anymore. And then when they're seniors, they're just all friendly and cool and hanging out with whoever. And then you see the junior plastics and they're like, what a mistake they're making. If it ended with that, yeah. That would have been the better ending. And if I'm going to give my nipples to anything, I'd be to the ravine and whatever happened in there.
Starting point is 01:02:01 Whatever discarded nipples are in there. Maybe he fell into the ravine was knocking on death's door there's a wizard down there and he's like
Starting point is 01:02:09 I'll grant you three wishes but you have to sell your soul to me right I'm like combining a genie
Starting point is 01:02:17 and a devil yeah okay there's there's some ravine there's some billy goat
Starting point is 01:02:24 down there who's like, look. There's a riddle. Also, this half-ass wish-making that he's doing down there. Basically, he encounters a mythological creature down there who's willing to revive him and grant him life. A centaur. At a huge price. So now Michael's walking around without a soul or without a dick or something, but he's alive. We got to watch Grease 3.
Starting point is 01:02:45 We never see what's going on there. Yeah, we'll find out. I'll write it. I'll write Grease 3. Okay. Because you can bring his cousin back in and they have to do... Oh, God. Oh, Solomon, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. It's been a delight.
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