The Bechdel Cast - Jamie and Caitlin Answer Your Questions

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

To kick off the New Year, Jamie and Caitlin answer listeners' questions in this special Q&A episode! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the first time in two years very long vroom vroom and also that is a a little hint into something i'm going to be talking about later vroom vroom vroom. Keep that in mind. Vroom, vroom. Oh my gosh. Wait, I don't even know what you're referring to. I know. This will be a surprise for me. But when it hits, you're going to be like, oh, brother, and you're going to roll your eyes. I was going to say you're going to be so excited, but I'm like, you're probably going to be kind of annoyed. Welcome to the Vectelcast. It's 2022. My name is Jamie Loftus.

My name is Caitlin Durante and this is our show where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechdel test as a jumping off point. However, we're not doing that specifically today because today is a special episode to kick off the new year. A very special episode. It's an after-school special. Yeah, I think we did the same thing last year and the year before, if I'm not mistaken, and probably other times throughout the legacy of this podcast. No way of telling. We're not going to look. We're entering year six of this podcast this year, which is wild. Truly. And so, yeah, at the end and beginning of the year,

we like to take time to check in with ourselves, check in with our listeners, and kind of do our version of a State of the Union. A town hall discussion, if you will. We invite all the Ken Bones. Do you remember Ken Bone? I do remember Ken Bone. Oh, my gosh, I haven't thought about Ken Bone. I think he ended up being villainous.

Oh no. Wait, again, not going to check. Today we're doing a fun episode in which we are answering some questions from our listeners, but not just any listeners. Our s-tier elite gold star listeners not to discriminate but they are uh subscribers over at our patreon aka matreon um truly such a fun community so uh we'll we'll plug that at the top if you're a listener that is looking for more bucktel cast content we do two additional episodes there on a fun theme every month, just episodes with me and Caitlin, kind of loose, kind of fun, still the show. We asked our Matreon subscribers if they had any questions

that they would like us to cover, and it's a fun, interactive community, and we got some fun questions this year. We certainly do. So thank you to everyone who submitted a question. We're not going to have the time to answer all of them, but we really appreciate everyone who submitted a question. And your matronage. And your matronage. We also, again, we have done a few of these Q&A episodes in the past, both on the main feed and as matrion episodes so if you submitted a question and we aren't answering it now chances are we've already answered it in a past episode yes so go back and

listen to them all always be answering questions a back i'm a reporter that's what I say to people when I interview them. I mean, look, our listeners are curious people. Yeah. And we've got answers for you. We do. And there were some head scratchers. I think everyone was really firing on all cylinders.

There's fun questions. There's hard questions. There's questions in between. So shall we get into it? Let's get into it let's get into it all right starting with this question from marie asks is it hard to watch movies just for fun after five years of the cast any tips for how to just enjoy a sexist romp well this this one actually um i had to take a beat with this question what is what do you what do you think because i think that i'm for me at least for the first question i feel like there's

like this i'm imagining like a a sine wave in terms of like that journey of like it was hard for me to watch movies just for fun for a while but now five years in I have no problem doing it I feel like you have to like I don't know I guess we've just been doing it for a while but there are certain movies that like especially if I'm like excited to see a movie I won't watch it really with a Bechdel lens the first time I see it I'm like let me just see how this movie makes me feel and then same same I'll go back and watch it again with the beckdolins and see if paying attention with an analytical eye changes how it made me feel the first time i saw it yes that makes sense of course because i do something pretty similar i i mean unless

something is very blatantly like i mean if it sucks it sucks, it sucks. And if it's misogynist and racist or whatever it is, and it's really obvious, it's like, well, yeah, shut it off. Right, right, right. But if I'm just watching a movie for fun and not because I'm prepping for an episode, I usually just go in with a kind of a neutral point of view, not analyzing it for anything in particular. And that usually allows me to experience the entertainment value of a movie, because I don't want this podcast to ruin the idea of movies for me. And so far it hasn't, which I'm very grateful for. There's also an interesting thing about our job, which is that

it's super fun. Our job is to watch movies and talk about them. That's a an interesting thing about our job, which is that it's super fun. Our job is to watch movies and talk about them. That's a very fun thing to do. And so it can be kind of hard to separate our job from like leisurely watching a movie. Or again, it was it was hard for me at first because like my main hobby is watching movies. So I was like, oh like oh no like now that I've blended these two things like am I ever going to be able to enjoy movies again but I've found that it hasn't been that much of a challenge for me so as far as like tips on how to just enjoy a sexist romp and this is going to be for for me like for

it'll be movies that I already loved that's what I was going to say is like and it's going to be different for I mean obviously we're not telling you how to live your life this is just our opinions but yeah it's like I there are certain movies that it's like uh yeah and I've been watching this movie my whole life like it's right there's i mean i feel like back to the future is a perfect example of that for you it's like there's obviously gigantic enormous red flags all over that movie all over indiana jones all over you know like yeah all these famous movies and i think it just like depends on how long it's been with you.

Have you like put in the thought to like what the what the damage is? Do you understand the problems? And then you go from there. It is tough. I mean, and again, it's like this doesn't this isn't something that I have had any issues with, with movies that I'm seeing recently, because it's like, yeah, I don't really enjoy any sexist romps that I'm seeing recently because it's like yeah I don't really enjoy any sexist romps that I'm seeing for the first time yeah exactly so if it's a movie that I'm coming into fresh and it's a sexist romp yes doing this podcast has made me not be able to enjoy that anymore but the movies that I already loved that many of which we've covered on the podcast and I've had to really grapple with, like, oh, my God, this is horrible looking at it through this lens. But I still love it and I can't help it.

I think it's a willingness to do the grappling and it's a willingness to examine the era it was released into and what was tolerated and why it was tolerated and who is harmed when stuff is tolerated and and again I mean it's just like just be willing to do the work and then see how you feel yeah and then I guess my last tip would be like if you're watching a movie with friends or something like that something i do because i've got friends i've heard of them and i watch movies with them i've seen it you've been there i've been there countless times not as a friend just as an observer yeah i say jamie you can come but you have to sit in the corner and observe and then kayla says and you're not my friend. Yeah, I'm a real monster.

Yeah. No, but like part of the enjoyment of watching like an older like sexist romp is like us having the discussion or like calling it out and kind of like poking fun at it during it. And like right when you're watching it yeah that's just like a way in which i find viewing movies like that to be enjoyable and productive so that's my big tip oh my goodness i totally agree yeah i think it's it's like have the discussion with your like with yourself have the discussion with your friends same goes for we had a few listeners say i have young children who i kind of want to expose them to the movies that i loved growing up but they don't age well so like should i just not expose them to those movies at all or should i and then we like have a discussion about it if it were i mean it's entirely up to each individual. We're famously parents, so I feel happy to weigh in.

I'm famously amazing at rearing and raising children. Yeah. So I'm not coming at this from a parent's perspective. But if it were me, I think I would show kids movies I loved. But then either during or right after, have that discussion about it. Like, oh, did you notice this? Let's talk about how that is harmful or like, you know, how it could have been handled differently, things like that. And honestly, I think that there's a lot of cases, at least, and again,

I'm not a parent of my many friends who do have kids. I have a lot of friends who will show their kids, you know, their favorite movies from when they were a kid that have problematic elements and the kids have no interest in it and they don't even want to talk about it because they don't want to see it again. Because kids movies are operating kind of, you know, thankfully, I, I, I get it's just, I think it like, like you're saying, it's a willingness to have the discussion. And is your, you know, is your kid at an age where they're able to have the discussion with you and they're not just sponge braining, um, things sponge braining. Sure. Yep. No, I, I understand exactly what you mean.

Thank you for the question, Maria. I hope, I think, I think we, I think we covered it. I think we nailed it. Our next question comes from Jesse. Jesse says, we love the growth the pod has seen, especially the pivot from hobby to job. From hobby to jobby. Jesse asks, what is the biggest gift you got from the pod? How do you define success with the pod?

And what do you think the pod will look like in five years? Oh, baby. and what do you think the pod will look like in five years oh baby jesse thank you for the vote of confidence that caitlin and i will be alive in five years honestly let's start okay biggest gift you got from the pod i think easily friendship with you and and having a friend for life and also just like getting to meet so many wonderful people through the podcast has been so personally fulfilling and rewarding and all of our guests are so wonderful and generous and kind and sophie lichtman our producer is amazing aristotle acevedo our producer is amazing we love the people we work with like we're very very lucky and then I think for me the the

gift has also been because I don't know I mean I guess at this point you kind of might not even know this unless you've been listening to the show for a long time but when we started doing the show I had not I did not consider myself a film lover I had not seen a ton of movies and I feel like doing this show has really not just broadened my horizon in terms of perspectives and ways of looking at movies and kind of like growing your brain with the community which is also a huge thing our our listener community is a huge gift and getting to talk to y'all and like hear your thoughts and get your perspectives has been so awesome. And also I've just seen like literally hundreds of fun movies. Like there's very little downside to this job. As I was saying earlier, yeah, we have a really fun job. We're super lucky.

Brag. Yeah, very lucky very lucky yes i completely agree with all of that and i'll just like piggyback a little bit further and say that the feedback that we get on the podcast both people being like you're amazing thank you so much for this blah blah no but like what i really mean is like what are are you? Okay. Let me. Going into full on brag territory. My favorite part would be when people say I'm so amazing. What I mean. What I mean is the feedback we get when people say that this podcast has opened their eyes about representation and that they see media in a whole new way and that they've just learned a lot. And I think what people might not realize

that much is like we are both on that journey of learning just as much as our listeners are. I mean, for sure. Thanks to other feedback we get, which is listeners saying like hey have you considered this there's other tropes that you might not be familiar with there's other there's other movies that you maybe haven't heard of um check these movies you know just like the feedback we get both like positive reinforcement and constructive feedback those are like incredible gifts that we get from the podcast. Yeah, it's it's there's nothing but gifts. We're very, very lucky. And so I guess in terms of how you find success with the pod, I mean, that is such a such a murky question.

I don't know. I mean, it's honestly like success with the podcast for me looks like are people enjoying it? Are people engaging with it? Are people listening? I think we've had pretty consistent listenership over the years that is like grown also. And so that is very lucky and very cool. And yeah, I mean, I think it's just sort of like, are y'all happy? And are we bringing new people in? And, you know, I think we've been kind of like, a slow but steady kind of consistent show. And I'm very happy with that.

Yeah. One of my favorite little anecdotes is our first ever live show had like 12 people in the audience one of whom was my mom one of whom was your mom who was actively very disruptive hitting on the guest yep and and then one of the most recent live shows we did which was also like two years ago because of covid ever heard of it uh but um there were more people there there's i mean we sold out like a 300 we'll say we've yeah we've played some pretty big rooms folks okay for a podcast right yeah so that's what we would like to continue doing so i guess what we're saying is if you enjoy the show uh tell your friends your friends uh and then what what do you think the pod will look like in five years i'm bold of you to ask a question that involves time because we don't fucking know i hope i mean i hope we're still doing it i hope we're still doing it i hope we're still happy i hope we're still having fun and we hope you're

still having fun oh my gosh and that's my answer my answer is i think we will have done at least five more titanic episodes that's five years i mean yeah that's a given that's a given for every year the show lives another titanic episode is gestated that is true so that's not even that wasn't even a bold statement okay i'll let me change it 15 more more Titanic episodes. Wait. Can we do it? We'll lose every subscriber we have. And then we can finally sink into the, walk into the ocean and rejoin our friends at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Wow. No, I mean, I don't know. We hope we're still around. We hope we're still having fun in five years. I just hope we're still having fun. We're still growing and learning because this is a constant process. And there's always much to learn. There's always much to learn.

Yeah. And we want to keep learning new shit and talking about fun movies. That's all. Thank you, Jesse. Good question. Indeed. Burham asks. Good name.

In 2020, you recognized that you hadn't been as intersectional as you could have been in your assessment of representation. How do you think you fared on this front in 2021? Will you do anything differently in 2022? I mean, similar to what we were just talking about is just a matter of like, yes, we've learned along the way, but there's always room to learn more. I do think we made good on a promise to analyze things more intersectionally. Yeah, it became very clear that it was necessary for us to do and and and and I yeah I'm happy with um the strides we've taken we could certainly always do more and it's right our intention to to do more and continue on that and that's something that we're always open to feedback on

and we hope that that you know it's it's clear to our listeners that the the line of communication is very open there as well as with our guests. Absolutely. In 2021, I think we made a lot of necessary improvements in our approach and in the movies we were covering in general. We've talked about this many times, but it was, I think, part of the adjustment was also making sure that we were balancing movies that are highly demanded by our listeners. And also making sure that we're bringing new voices into this discussion. Making sure that we're covering classic movies that are not just directed by white guys. There's plenty of them.

And that's something that we are continually working on. And we were just having a discussion the other day about kind of how that's going to play into our movie load. Gross. Our movie load for 2022. There's got to be a better way to say that. Movie selection, maybe. Our roster. I'm sticking with load.

Okay, you're sticking with load. I'm sticking with load. But that is a part of our intent and discussion and has been for a couple years now in a way that it honestly wasn't in a way it should have been when we started the show so always open to feedback about it and um as always you know we i i posted about it on twitter the other day and also you know there's our spreadsheet is always open to your requests so if there are movies by um not white guys by by women by non-binary filmmakers by trans filmmakers by black filmmakers by brown filmmakers but you know by by what movies you want to see we want to know about and um we want to find guests that want to talk to us about it and that we can like

have a cool discussion about. So I think we're just going to stay the course for 2022. This is the plan. I agree. Thank you, Perrin. Indeed. Let's take a quick break and then we will come back and answer more questions. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16, 2017, was murdered.

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i struggle to find explorations of film that even consider a neuro atypical viewpoint let alone involve it in an intersectional way love the podcast as you take a multifaceted approach to what feminist movie criticism looks like and neurodiversity is another interesting facet of the feminist film criticism titanic heart of the sea diamond first of all stuck the landing on the question really know how to to to really serve it to us steaming hot on a platter thank you this is an excellent question and i think it's something that we um this is an aspect of the show that we really could do better with yes and i think it'll mean bringing on guests who are neurodiverse and selecting movies that will generate an interesting discussion as far as neurodiversity is concerned and yeah i think it's just a matter of us like making more of an effort to include that in our analysis as far as the films and the guests and just applying neurodiversity

as a lens by which we're analyzing movies. Yeah, I was very, very excited to see this question. This is like the exact thing we were just talking about, actually, going back to Burren's question, is when our listeners bring up questions like this, sometimes Caitlin and I are like, oh yeah, of course. And it, you know, almost immediately becomes a part of the discussion when we are setting up our next kind of load of movies to,

to talk about. And, and this is like, this is an excellent reminder that this is something that we have had discussions about in the past certainly i think we've we've certainly had neurodivergent guests on the show and we've talked i think several times not as much as we should but but several times about neurodivergent coded characters and kind of how that can play out in movies and kind of the further

back you go the uh less easy it is to do the analysis and have the discussion, but they're important discussions to have. And that's something that I'm really interested in continuing to do this year and actually make, you know, more of a concerted effort. So thank you, Nuwala. That is, I think, a reminder we need it. Absolutely. Yeah. Again, listeners, if you have any specific requests or guest suggestions, we are very open to it. All ears. Thank you for your question. Yes. The next question comes from Shari.

Shari, not exactly sure how to pronounce your name. So apologies. not exactly sure how to pronounce your name so apologies they ask how much do you think the changing of tides for modern movies to have more and better representation is genuine and how much is it just performative or marketing but also does it matter what the intentions are if the outcome of having more and better representation happens either way another great question this is a fascinating question that we could not possibly answer with any real authority however i don't know i can't i think about this a lot and i feel like it is i don't know why i mean i bring up that like weird Supreme Court quote a lot where it's like, I know it when I see it.

I do think that there is a lot of performativity in general as it pertains to representation of many different kinds. And again, it has a lot to do with I think uh you know one form of performativity is when there is representation in front of the camera and not behind I think that there's a lot of performativity when you know you're kind of doing the very very baseline of like look at this character who is not a white guy and then fail to treat that character as a person or, you know, just exploit the elements of the character that are not, I guess, quote unquote, the norm that we see in movies, you know, characters that are there, but are sidelined or there, but are there to support the, you know, white straight lead. And there's a lot of hollowness yeah and it's still i mean very much so like now

right but then there's also there will be like executives you know studio executives who are like out of touch rich white men who are like oh diversity seems really in right now right let's like try to fill a quota or whatever you know because i see it in those terms right we have to fill a quota we have to like you know give this many shows or green light these many movies that are going to tell the public like we care about diversity but then when creators who are women people of color queer queer people, and so on, are then given opportunities to tell their stories and given funding to tell their stories, then we get representation from the creators that we want to see telling their own stories, even though it did come from a kind of like, performative place.

So I think that's like the question of like, does it matter what the intentions are, if the outcome does mean better representation? Right? It's like, it does still matter. Like, it does still matter that the slog of capitalism, which is what it goes back to. And like, you know, we can trace it all the way up. And you know, colonial, colonial you can we can trace that line right and i think it does matter because that fucking sucks and it creates a um i don't know like this kind of like void of like we should be grateful to see as much representation as we do when obviously that's not the case and and it just kind of begs the question of like, well, can these executives, you know, die? I don't know.

Like, can we get some new people in here? Right. But I do think it's like, like you're saying, Caitlin, the demand from viewers and as poison and evil as the Internet is, I think the Internet has done a lot to push these conversations forward. Very double edged sword sword as anyone listening very likely knows um right but i do think that you know getting to interact directly and and make it really clear of like this is what we want has made a difference i wish that it made a quicker difference i wish that it made a less cynical difference. I wish that it was making a less money-motivated difference. Unfortunately, we live in a society and it fucking sucks.

So I don't know. For Shari, I mean, that's a really difficult question. I feel like you kind of answered it in a way in the second question where it's like, the outcome is having more and better representation. And that is ultimately a good thing. And that ultimately, I hope, sets a bedrock of like we're creating a new bare minimum that will hopefully continue to build and build and build. And that is positive.

But it's just frustrating that it has to be done that way. The way we talk about like stepping stone movies that are not great by our very current standards, but were ahead think we'll end up paving the way for a media landscape that isn't so motivated by like, ooh, diversity is so hip right now. So let's do that because it'll make us money. I think we're just in this like era of ushering in better representation that will come from a more earnest and genuine place and not be so motivated by capitalism. in that regard um however but i do think it's like it's and and again it's uh as consumers that we are kind of empowered to some degree to ask for what we want and and hope and sometimes we get it and sometimes we don't i hope that you know i feel like it's generally a good thing when you can look back several years in like media landscape and like film landscape and like cringe at what you're seeing because that means that growth has taken place. And I do think we can say that for the past couple of years. You look back on the fucking crumbs we were taken in 2018, 2017. There has been change. There has been growth. I am

generally optimistic and it's still a cynical annoying capitalist structure i was actually going to say the same thing to i forget which question this was for but when we were talking about you know like we're growing and we're learning and as far as like the podcast goes if i go back and listen to an episode from three years ago chances are i'm cringing because we were like, I was like, oops, we forgot about this thing. Are we like, you know, things that we failed to notice, things we overlooked back then that we pick up on much more easily. So, yeah, the whole dang landscape is changing. It is. And I hope it will continue to i've been like yeah i mean yeah there's been

so much good stuff that's come out in the past couple years which i you can't always say it's very exciting we're living in the worst of times but in some ways there's been a lot of good shit the best of times which which brings us to our next question which comes from gg what's one of your spicy film takes for 2021 uh also thank you so much for doing the podcast and being so funny and insightful i like that you kept the compliments in you've helped reignite my love for movies good and bad it's like this is my flex episode um thank you gg it's nice to be appreciated that's all i'm saying it makes me so uncomfortable um so thank you gg uh we really appreciate your comment and your compliments what's your spicy film take for 2021 caitlin okay i was looking back through letterboxd, which, plug everyone, if you're on Letterboxd, we have a Bechtelcast account where we mostly just keep track of movies that we have done.

Our Matreon episodes is on like a separate list. There's our watch list of frequently requested episodes that we plan on doing in the future. You know, there's activity on there. So check us out on Letterboxd. I also have a personal Letterboxd account, which you can find by searching my name. It's Caitlin Durante on Letterboxd. I don't because I'm cringe. I don't want people to know what I think about anything. Anyway, so I was going back through just basically all the releases from 2021 on Letterboxd. And I was reminded that and maybe this is not a spicy hot take, or maybe it is, I'm not sure. At least of the movies I've seen that came out in 2021. I feel as though this was

an incredibly underwhelming year as far as cinema goes. Wow, that is kind of a spicy take. And it's very possible that there are amazing movies that came out this year that I just have not yet seen. But again, of the ones I have seen, which is a fair number, I you know, I try to stay up to date on new releases. I was not really into basically anything I saw with one exception. There was one movie that I absolutely loved that came out this year, which was Barb and Star Go to Vista Del Mar. Oh, my gosh. I was going to mention that as like one of the highlights of my 2021 yeah let's hear your um so there's two movies that i saw that came out in 2021 that i really really liked one i just saw last night because i couldn't wait for it to go on streaming anymore so i just bought it which was zola oh yes i really really loved we we're

gonna cut we were so we've been getting a lot of requests for Zola. So for your reference, we try to wait until the movie is streaming somewhere a little more generally before we cover it on the show. So it's more accessible to people. But we may just have to jump the gun because I'm just so stoked on it. So I really love Zola. And then one movie that we both saw that did not even remotely come out in 2021 but I saw it in 2021 and I think I've seen it five times now is the movie Pin and my my spicy film take of 2021 is you gotta watch Pin and it came out in like 1980 something I don't

know Pin is I truly like I don't think i'm bullshitting you when i say it's in my top 10 movies really i wow yeah you and some other friends of ours liked it so much better than i did i loved pin i thought pin was such a special film and it's on youtube.com i mean if we're talking about access to movies, it is a wild one. It is about a, it's a story. Is it a story about fathers and sons? Yes. But ultimately, it's also about a ventriloquist dummy that they put skin on.

And he's a sex ed teacher and he's a murderer and you gotta watch pin it is such it actually like i've it sounds like i'm lying but it will make you think yeah i suppose i loved pin uh well we both watched pin for our friend alex's horror movie marathon that he does every year time-honored tradition another film that we watched for the marathon was malignant which was yes one of my favorite movies of 2021 not because it's good because it wasn't but it was i loved it i thought it was pretty good i thought it was pretty good i enjoyed it there and then the movie that i know you didn't like but uh we've mentioned it on the show before and I truly think it was like made for me to watch it is Titane by Juliette Ducarno

is that where the vroom vroom reference was okay I knew it the car she gets pregnant with a car um if you haven't seen it and you're in a and you're feeling very french uh i can't right i mean it's not for everyone but it's not supposed to be uh i really love that movie i think that we may cover it on my birthday month on the matriarch okay it's just i will mentally prepare myself yeah you have eight months to get ready so my spicy film takes are those are the three movies that I, oh, four, including Barb and Star, which I really loved, that really revved my engine. Vroom vroom. 2021.

Oh, my God. She has sex with a car. And that's at the beginning of the movie. It's unbelievable. Thank you, Gigi, for for your question vroom vroom wait i'm like a i'm like a mazda zoom zoom zoom zoom wow all right okay sophia has the next question and asks which movies do you regret giving high scores to after rethinking their impact and then sophia lists wonder woman as an example which is definitely one that we rated too highly i was like that's

the one that came to mind for me um we talk about being trained for crumbs you know that was a trained for crumbs moment for us which is like something that i have been grappling with as we've been doing the podcast for many years is that I have this habit of like going easier on movies or like evaluating them differently based on who has made them or like if it fills a void that needs to be filled in terms of representation i will be like well it fills a void so it's perfect or it's amazing but that might not be true it's just that it fills a void but i will get too excited about it and be like wow this representation that we haven't seen yet uh five million nipples right which is like i mean i mean i think that's a very human reaction yeah that is cringe in retrospect and i think that's okay like yeah i think of um i think of that i think of um as much as i love moana i think the that movie is directed by white guys and i think that there's been a lot of productive conversations before and after that movie came out

that we were not engaging with to the degree we should have at the time about that tendency that is still happening at Disney and in movies in general. Those are the two that I think come to mind for me. I, like, The Matrix. Did it deserve the four and a half nipples that I gave it? Probably not. But I love that.

But I'm like, even movies that I've rated recently, Barb and Star, I think we probably gave too many nipples too. We probably did. But, but yeah, but we sometimes it is like inevitable. I think we acknowledge it in the moment too. Sometimes it's like difficult to not, you know, we're not math. You know, it's something your feelings are going to come into account at some point. And there's I think that there is like, especially with movies that just came out, which with Moana and Wonder Woman were at least relatively true or covered it in the first Wonder Woman was like right away. Right away.

Moana was like within a year of it coming out. And so I think we were still just really excited about it. Right. And also those are two episodes that are like over three years old. And so we were just like not, we were not functioning on the same level that the show does now. So it's true. That said,

I still love Moana and I, Oh my God. I tried to rewatch Wonder woman and there's moments in it that still get me really juiced but i honestly think it's not very fun to watch it's a little um underwhelming by um 2022 standards yes yeah moana gosh nearly perfect movie i love it so much it is wonderful but uh we also gave wizard of Oz five stars across the board, which is absurd. I wonder what our reasoning was there. I don't know.

And also I'm like, I don't want to go back and read that. If there's any takeaway here is that take the nipple scale ratings with a grain of salt, because we often are just pulling a number out of our little bums. I heard famously little bums. for i don't know why excuse me i got a big ass look um okay let's move on let's move on we have a few more we have uh we have we have just a couple more questions yes our next question is from erica erica says i teach film as literature at the high school level. And I was curious what you both wished you had learned in high school about movies. Honestly, anything. I don't think I learned

anything about movies in high school. I think the most I learned about movies was in like the fifth grade, because I had this amazing teacher who and this is like not speaking to the character of this director. I just think that it was really cool that he showed us these movies um he showed he was really into like hitchcock movies and he would show us hitchcock movies in the fifth grade which is actually not responsible yeah um because they're very i remember he one day he was like shout out mr brewster he was like an amazing teacher he like had us do Shakespeare plays and like showed us the birds like I don't know how he was getting away with it but it was really fun but honestly

like in term in in high school movies were generally just turned on so you would shut up like I didn't have any any media literacy in high school in college where I did study film, allegedly, I think that there was there was like, so little attention paid to any sort of diversity. It felt very like my at least the curriculum that I did at Emerson College, call out post, at least when I was going there was I and I'm sure that it's improved since I went there, but or I hope it has. But yeah, it felt very prescriptive. It felt very copy paste, you know? Yeah, we were just talking about that on the double indemnity episode about how so many film programs just regurgitate the same curriculum over and over everyone's seen double indemnity because that's the noir movie that everyone watches yeah like very frustrating and i feel like

in in classes like that for me in college it would be like okay we're having one day with women and then we have one day with black filmmakers we'll have one day where here's a movie with a gay character like and then it would be like okay now now back to citizen kane whatever yeah citizen game for the next seven weeks and it's you know obviously we're not saying that those movies have no value but it they're given outsized value or they certainly were to me i'll never ever ever stop being annoyed that i had to take a class called wilder allen and kaufman even though i there are billy wilder and charlie kaufman movies i like but i'm like could you come up with a more egregiously incurious group of people and also one of them is

Woody fucking Allen give me a break got in trouble in that class for saying correct things about Woody Allen shout out Jamie when she was 21 yeah all that to say in high school nothing

in college a different kind of nothing right about the same for me there was a communications class that focused more on filmmaking than it did on oh that's kind of cool yeah so I and I jumped at the chance to take it because I was kind of really the only class like it that my high school even offered. And in that class, I did make a short film called Car Wars Return of the Jeddah. In which a character. Caitlin. In which.

What am I supposed to do with this information? You're supposed to just revel in it, Jamie. Okay, I'm rolling around like a pig in slop. Just a little wash over you. Yeah, wallow in the joy that is Car Wars Return of the Jedi. I like it more. At the time, I drove a 1988 Buick Skyhawk. Cool.

That is really cool. Thank you so much. It's a hideous car. It sounds cool that um i cast my sister in the movie her character's name is sarah sky hawker because she drove the sky hawk wow you really put a lot of thought into this oh my gosh it was it's one of my finest works and i made it when i was 17 um there was another character i just took like I just basically like took my friends used their first name and then added like a Star Wars flourish to it yeah anyway it was a it was a spoof it was

a romp it's about a big race that the Jedha and the Skyhawk they race each other and whoever wins the race saves the galaxy or something. I don't know. Did you get an A? I got an A plus. Wow. Okay. So you learned. I learned so much. But anyway, I wish I had learned more about actual like film history in high school.

And more about, I guess, because I went on to get a master's degree in screenwriting from boston university a fact that i hate to mention but i wish i had learned more about like how to craft a narrative in general and specifically like a cinematic narrative those have been cool things to learn so i don't know if that helps you out erica yeah i wish i had learned uh about movies in high school but ultimately i wish that someone had taught me how to do my fucking taxes at any point so you know it's kind of like there's a lot of things i should have learned in high school that i didn't i i really specifically remember my history teacher being like, um, let's watch a historical movie. And then he turned on Zorro starring Antonio Banderas.

So, you know, schools are underfunded, you guys. My sixth grade math teacher taught children, sixth grade children, how to balance checkbooks. Whoa! First of all, why are you teaching that to sixth graders? And secondly, that's a skill I never needed to use. Yeah, but at least they were thinking, like, at that time, you could have maybe needed it. Like, you know?

Yeah, that is true. God, no one ever taught me how to do anything. The most useful thing that happened to me in high school is my high school English teacher set me up a Gmail account that I use to this day. Incredible. So thank you, to this day. Incredible. So thank you, Ms. Rish. Wow. Okay, we got a couple more questions. Couple more questions.

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It kind of depends. Yeah. If there's a movie that we really want to cover, either because like the sequel to it or the reboot or whatever is coming out soon then we will kind of do movie first and then figure out a good guest for it um in other cases we will just like have a list of guests that we know we want to have on the show and then we leave it up to them as far as what movie they want to do for the most part you know it's it's kind of like a mixed bag of yeah different things so there are movies that i feel like our listeners are like why haven't you covered this one yet the podcast has been going on for five years it's probably because like of the many many guests we've had on the show none of them have chosen that movie yet

so right and the last thing we ever want to do because this everyone loses in this scenario is as have a guest cover a movie that they have no particular interest in covering like right um so yeah i mean it's definitely a mix sometimes there are movies that we really want to cover and if we don't know a guest already who's really passionate about discussing it we'll sometimes be like well is there are there any writers who have written about this movie and that we know will hopefully be interested in discussing it with us that's sometimes how we'll find an end to discuss a movie that we've been wanting to discuss other times we just sort of i mean you know like our our guests who have been on multiple times um we just kind of have a feel for the kind of movies they like and sometimes we'll be like hey

this one and sometimes they're like yeah or sometimes they're like I don't really feel strongly about that one but here are three that I would love to cover and then we'll kind of take it from there so yeah kind of an intuitive it's freeform jazz yeah and I would say listeners if there are any movies that you're like wow surprise you haven't covered this yet and i know like here's the perfect guest for it if you have any like recommendations suggestions anything along those lines feel free to tweet at us let us know because that sounds helpful for us that does sound helpful for us so thanks um yeah yeah so uh that's hopefully that answers your question uh jenna b i'm very excited for this next question

it's from harriet harriet asks or says i'm 16 and about to make a podcast for a big school project what advice would you give me oh my god har, this is so exciting. First of all, congratulations on entering hell. No, this is really cool. I was thinking about a conversation I had with my friend Sarah recently where she was just like, you know, people say that there's too many podcasts in the world. I don't think that that's true. Like everyone has something that they're passionate about and like a unique way of discussing it. And the more of that that's in the world, the better. So my advice would be, you know, talk about something that matters to you and something that you're curious about and do your research and find people to talk to who share that curiosity and hopefully have more knowledge on it in a different perspective than you do and that reads to people like it's I feel like podcasting is such a cool form where

when you're passionate about something it shows and when you're curious about something it shows and it's such a collaborative form and it's so easy to you know have access to and so easy to reach people and to and to make and um choose something you're you're passionate about don't i feel like it's always kind of very clear when there's um i'm not thinking of anyone in particular here but like when there's a very cynical like algorithmically like designed oh people are gonna want to hear a podcast about this and then it's usually fucking boring because you know it's like there's no heart in it there's no like curiosity so or it's just sort of like people talking about nothing don't just shoot the shit unless you're the funniest person on the face of the earth and i'm not saying this to harriet

specifically but like all of you no one i mean i mean no i'm kidding so i mean that that's even but even that is like there are some podcasts i listen to that are like vaguely focused conversations that are shooting the shit that are very funny like there's no rules just don't be an asshole that's the that's the rule and and don't be afraid to get specific. Like some of the best podcasts are like very niche things. And yeah. And then, cause this is a question that a few different people asked that they're like looking to start a podcast or they're, you know, they're like getting one up and going. And I would say kind of just from a technical standpoint, it's helpful if you have, and I know that this is an investment and, you know, everyone is probably operating on a different budget and it's probably not that high of a budget.

But if you can get your hands on a decent microphone and if you can just do some basic editing, that's going to make the quality of your podcast a bazillion times better and just absolutely easier for your listeners to enjoy so obviously like the creative and the the fun parts of podcasting are very important but uh the technical stuff is as well yeah if you're able to not cut corners don't yes okay uh yeah and um we always like to end these episodes with a few fun questions a smorgasbord a lot of people had very specific questions about three main topics that kept coming up again and again so i'll just list them all off and Jamie, I can just sort of rapid fire talk about these things. A lot of people wanted to know about the Lego Titanic that I built. Yes. Tell them, Caitlin, you made a financially reckless decision and it paid off because you have a huge ass Titanic. I mean, I didn't get any sort of return on my investment.

Unless you count... Serotonin? Exactly. Yeah, I did spend over $600. I'm horrified. As am I. Look, I never treat myself. I never buy anything. And I just, I really felt I could and should look I have a lego titanic

it was worth every penny just the building of it the documenting of the building of it and sharing that with very compelling you should if you haven't gone to caitlin's instagram and watched the time lapse it is it's like it's it's like you're in belfast it's amazing i felt like i was there and i am there for a little bit and you are there yeah you make a little cameo that was lovely yeah i'm basically mr andrews engineering the damn thing before your very eyes oh and you're also you know like a several thousand irishmen you're doing you're doing the damn thing i'm doing the damn thing it's very impressive the damn thing. It's very impressive. I'm really bummed because I took so many more time lapse videos than I ended up posting,

but I didn't realize that they didn't actually save on my phone because I had taken so many other time lapse videos that I ran out of storage. So I took all these videos that didn't even save to my phone because I had done too many already. Yikes. So that's a bummer. But there are a fair number on my Instagram. So check those out. And people wanted to know, you know, like how it went, how many hours it took. I think I put somewhere between 15 and 20 hours into building it.

It was a lot of time. Over the course of a few, a couple weeks. I don't know where to put it still. We did talk about this on our little mini week off episode uh it is still just sitting on my floor um i don't know what to do with it i think that you need to just get like a hefty shelf a hefty shelf yeah for titanic i will all right our next question our next question that we get all the time and and thank god is about alfred molina it's just about alfred molina in general and i mean a lot of questions were like who would alfred

molina play in a christmas prince or a princess switch movie because we got a lot of questions about the christmas netflix movies which is i mean I'm honestly just glad that people are still on board with those episodes because we have so much fun doing them. So, I mean, to answer that specific question, I think, you know, with all due respect, Vanessa, get out of there. Let's get Alfred in there. And he's all the princesses. Obviously. Obviously. But Alfred Molina in general, I mean, another amazing year for our guy, uh Freddy Freddy as we call him because he's our friend and he's been on the show and then people were asking about his performance in Spider-Man No Way Home which I have not yet seen but I have received a real I mean it made me feel good I've received so many texts asking if I've seen it yet and I haven't because uh the

second I was going to see it in theaters uh guess who reared her little head again it was the coronavirus and so I'm waiting uh but this year I by this year in Alfred Molina for me was I collaborated with Super Yaki and um made two Alfred Molina themed t-shirts. And that was very rewarding. That was my Molina moment for this year. I love that. I have one of those shirts. And Molina, Freddie,

our friend, got married this year. So good for him. You know, he married, oh my gosh, I'm a misogynist. The director of Frozen.

Yes, what is her name? Jennifer Leigh. She and Alfred Mol melina are married they seem very happy what a power couple we love that for them congrats freddy just a banner year for freddy i think honestly like freddy's career wise personally he was knocking it out of the park this year certainly and as someone who did see spider-man no way home because i saw it on opening day. Yeah, you saw it. You got in right in the nick of time.

I got in early. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's well worth the watch, Jamie. So when you do have a chance to see it safely, please do. You won't be disappointed. I look forward to it. Yeah, I'm on.

I'm when it comes to Friday, I can wait. And I hope he's listening. So another fun question we got was from Michelle. Asks, which movie that you've covered would be 100 times better if Shrek was the main character? Yeah. Thoughts, Jamie? Titane. Titane. character yeah thoughts jamie uh titane titane not to not to call up my favorite movie of 2021 and saying would have shrek had sex with a car

but it does make you think it maybe it would be a less of a feminist text if it was but but if shrek got pregnant by a car shry tain shrek shrek tane i think that that's my final answer i i i still want i just want two cuts of the movie i want the original titane and then i want shrek tane because i think it just it just opens your eyes in a whole new way here's my answer for this because you said you know you mentioned different cuts of a movie. It made me think of the butthole cut of Cats. What if Cats was just Shreks? Oops, all Shreks.

Think about it. I mean, I'm I'm thinking about it and I'm getting all horny. Yeah, well, this is this will be an ongoing question for us. It'll be on my mind um barb and star more like shrek and shrek go to this i mean the movies write themselves truly shrek 2 get more shreks in there there weren't enough shreks that's my main note about shrek 2 um god Shrek rocks it's it's staggering and and oh and then and we're gonna close on a question because we always give our guests an opportunity to to plug but do we ever plug our personal projects I think for the most part we don't because we're so we're so humble oh my goodness and the modesty is just overwhelming so so mj

asked uh i follow you both on social media so i catch some of this but please brag uh what other projects have you worked on that we should check out slash follow caitlin would you like to go first sure well here's what i'm going to do is plug my screenwriting classes, of which I have a new intro class starting up in February. And there are spots at the time of this recording, spots still available. It is a class that is suitable for pretty much anyone, complete beginners. It's suitable for someone who has maybe some screenwriting background, but maybe just wants to be held accountable to develop a new project. You know, if you have maybe a film background, but not a screenwriting background, you know,

it's, it's, I've designed it so that it's just a good intro that is appropriate for basically anyone who isn't already someone who has a master's degree in screenwriting. Okay. Oh, yeah. So I have spots. It starts in February. I believe it's on Saturdays. It's an online class that I conduct through Zoom. If anyone is interested in that, tweet at me and I'll send you the registration link. I'll also be, oh, I should update my, you know what? I will have updated my website, caitlyndurante.com slash classes, and the link will be there as well as just more info about the different screenwriting classes I teach. So check that out. And also follow me on Twitter and Instagram. I

would actually love that because the more followers I have, the more valid I feel as a human being because that's the sad state of the society we live in. So give me a little follow on twitter and instagram it's at caitlin dorante on both platforms please and thank you jamie what about you what would you like to plug um you can follow me on twitter and instagram if you choose uh jamie loft is help on twitter jamie cry superstar on instagram uh but i would point you to a few things i i've been doing solo podcasts that are uh investigative and for the last two years now if you haven't listened to them i did my year in mensa which is about a year-long uh sort of investigation and a piece i did about how fucked up the mens organization is. Last year, I did

Lolita podcast, which we talked about on we've talked about on this feed as well, but it was kind of a deep dive into Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, and all of the kind of complicated cultural elements that were pulled into that work over the years. And this last summer, I did a feminist intersectional analysis of the Cathy comics called ACRCast. And I got to talk to creator Cathy Guiseway. I got to talk to a lot of amazing artists, a lot of and in all of those shows, there are people who are part of the Bechtel cast expanded universe involved so if you look German produces them Caitlin does voices in them it's all very fun and I work really hard in them and I'm proud of them so if you like stuff like that go listen to that I write for a show called teenage euthanasia that's on Adult Swim that is difficult to stream, but if you can watch it, it's quite good.

It stars Maria Bamford and Joe Firestone, and it's about three generations of women living in a zombie funeral home in Florida. It's very fun. Love it. And then I have a book about hot dogs that's coming out next year, so don't worry about it for now. Amazing. have a book about hot dogs that's coming out next year so don't worry about it for now amazing jamie you are truly a superstar just like as are you my friend instagram yes uh that's what i'm trying to say with J.B. Price Superstar. Um, yeah, so listeners, check out all of that and follow us and validate our existence, please and thanks. And then follow the Bechdel cast as well in all the regular places, Instagram, Twitter at Bechdel cast.

Once again, one more plug for the Patreon, a.k.a patreon aka matreon which is where we got all these wonderful questions today and thank you again to everyone who submitted yes such such wonderful thoughtful people we have as matrons truly thank you so much our community fucking rocks thank you for another awesome year and and again like we do this at the beginning of most years because we're just kind of like taking stock. We're in the planning phases. We've got an exciting year planned for you. Lots of returning guests, lots of new guests, lots of movies that I mean, we've been going back.

And, you know, there's it's been five years and there's some movies that you guys are like, hey, what the fuck? And look, you're not wrong. And we're going gonna be addressing some this year um and just you know bringing in a lot of new filmmakers and guests so uh thank you again for for being with us and for being a part of our community indeed and yeah we'll uh we'll catch you next week on the feed and we've got uh i think a lot of popular requests coming out in January. So look forward to that. We sure do. Bye-bye. Bye. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017,

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