The Bechdel Cast - Mean Girls with Jenny Jaffe

Episode Date: June 1, 2017

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The patriarchy's effin' vast Start changing it with the Bechdel cast Hello and welcome to the Bechdel cast. My name is Caitlin. My name is Jamie. I don't know, why did I do that weird thing at the end? I don't know, I wanted to match you though. We're so on the same page. Love ya. Love you.

Love ya. Well, here we are talking about women in movies. Once again. For what, the 30th time? I mean, we've been doing it for a while. I know. I'm so proud of us. You know what? It's a good thing for structure. It's a good thing for our friendship. It's a good thing for our friendship with Aristotle. It's a good thing

for, you know, all my... Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, man. Can we introduce our guest? I'm really excited. Yes. Yeah. Oh, man. Man, sometimes it's like when we're looking for guests for the show, we're like, okay, who's super funny? Who do we have a friend crush on? And let's just make it so. So our guest today, she has been a writer for College Humor, MTV, Disney, and she has a show coming out on IFC, which she is the star and creator of called Neurotica. Jenny Jaffe. Hey, guys.

Hi. Hi. I can't tell you how many times I've considered starting a podcast with the express purpose of making friends in L.A. And I think that's kind of a hacky move. But at the same time, but it does work so far. So good. I mean, everybody out here like just wants to be on podcasts, right? I mean, I, well, the thing that, man, I've been having a rough week with Los Angeles, the city that I'm still not sure if I like or not, where it's just, everyone's always around,

you know, like everyone's like, Oh, I can do a podcast at 2 p.m because no one so few people have regular jobs that's why i have i'm not making the friends though it's because all the people i would be friends with are doing shows at night which is the only time i'm free right because you've got you have a day job right right so or the other thing is i'll be like come by and get lunch at the studio or something like that's the only other way i can well you should go see anyone you can go to those shows that the people are on and then be like hey i thought you were funny that's true i'm a very bad comedy audience though yeah and then you have to go to a show that's the problem i like and i do like going to to shows obviously like i like comedy a whole lot but the problem is like if i don't like, I have absolutely no ability to pretend that I do.

It is all over my face, and if it's a new friendship and I don't think they're funny, I won't be able to hide it. It's something I need to work on, really. I just don't have a poker face. Man, I mean, that's a good problem to have. You're honest. There's also just more bad comedy shows in the world than there are good comedy shows. Oh, boy, that is true. You really do roll the dice.

Yeah. I started doing comedy so that I would stop hiding from people. So I would have to be around people at night because I'm not a... Katelyn, I don't know if you know this about me. I'm not a party gal. What? I don't go to parties. I think the one time I showed up at a party, you were bowled over.

And I was too, and I left pretty quickly. The secret to parties is if you come for 20 minutes, people remember that you're there, and they'll never remember that you left. Exactly, exactly. And you, oh man, Caitlin's better at parties than I am. I don't, I just can't. I'm a social butterfly. But you're good at it.

You do a good job. Thank you. Sometimes I'll show up, and then it's like, but now I'm not. But you're good at it. You do a good job. Thank you. Sometimes I'll show up and then it's like, but now I'm not talking to anybody. We should talk about the movie that we're here to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We watched it together this week. Yes. We're watching more and more movies together.

I love it. That's so nice. It was fun. It was fun. Aristotle couldn't make it to this one, but it was fun. It was fine. It was fine. Have you seen this movie though, Aristotle? Oh, good. Okay. He's giving a big nod. Yeah. That was an em It was fun. Aristotle couldn't make it to this one, but it was fun. It was fine. It was funny. Have you seen this movie, though, Aristotle?

Oh, good. Okay. He's giving a big nod. Yeah. That was an emphatic nod. We're talking about Mean Girls. Jenny, when did you first see the movie? It came out when I was 14, which was like the perfect age.

Perfect. Yeah. And my class in middle and high school, I went to school with basically the same kids for seven years, was notorious for being a class of very mean girls. Really? Yeah. In seventh grade, one girl told all the rest of the other girls not to talk to me for a year and they all listened. Oh, my God.

Yeah. No, I had some horrible bullying stories and she asked me to retweet her Kickstarter at one point, so we're all good. I shouldn't say that maybe i should nobody's listening um we have millions of listeners on our podcast including everyone's yeah we have a big uh high school bully following this is this is all to say that like so when it came out in eighth grade like one of the moms of one of the girls like sent out an email being like we should all go see this movie like all the girls should go see this movie and i think i like didn't go because i was too nervous to be

around those girls any more than i had to be so it was a very timely movie for me and here's like maybe the thing i remember most about it is that when i went to go see it it was the first time i had seen the fandango bollywood bag puppet ad do you guys remember yeah and it was the first time I had seen the Fandango Bollywood bag puppet ad. Do you guys remember this? And it was the hardest I think I've ever laughed at anything. I was like, this is so funny. This is comedy. And this is what it means to be a comedian.

So I laughed about that through like half the movie, which is a great movie and it's super funny anyway. But for some reason, just the fact they were bag puppets yeah was very appealing i really liked it yeah i remember that's what i remember about about the actual viewing experience on mems i didn't i didn't see this movie in theaters i think i took so i was 11 when this movie came out and um all the moms at our church youth group they they were like, oh, we're going to teach the girls to respect each other, you know, and all this stuff. And I didn't – I was sort of fortunate to go to a high school. Middle school was tough for me because I wore a back brace. And so, you know, there's no getting around that.

But high school, my high school was so huge that bullying wasn't really a problem because you could – you know, someone might bully you a single time and then you wouldn't see them for weeks and then they would forget because there were 6 000 kids there holy shit i had 140 kids yeah the smaller the high school it's the worse it is but yeah i just didn't know most of the kids at my high school and they had no idea who i was so even if it was like oh back brace girl but then you know it was new for them every time they were just like who's this freak and then back brace girl yeah how many back brace freaks go to this school uh so it was it was fine and we were sorted into buildings like harry potter and that's the true thing about my high school really there are four different buildings and you got put in one you're freshman you're at random no sorting ceremony what was yours called i was in the

azure building where did you go to high school i went to high school in brockton massachusetts your freshman year at random. No sorting ceremony. What was yours called? I was in the Azure building. Where did you go to high school? I went to high school in Brockton, Massachusetts. It's a shithole in southern Massachusetts. And there was the red, yellow, green, and Azure for some reason, not blue, Azure. And the stereotypes were like Azure was for like brainy losers and red was for like –

So Ravenclaw? Yeah, well, red was like well adjusted cool people and doors yeah yellow was for like idiots and uh puff yeah and and then green was for the rest slytherin wow that's really amazing how that works out. All it did was affect your cafeteria and where you ate and had homeroom, but you were sorted. Anyways, I saw this movie when I was 11 with my church group. I think I was a little bit too young for it then, but I liked it. I wish I'd seen it in theaters, though. I don't remember if I saw it in theaters or not, but it came out a couple weeks before I graduated high school.

And I don't remember if I saw it right away or if it was maybe within the next year after that. But I saw it pretty soon after it came out. And then I was like, oh, my God, this is the best movie ever. And then I bought it on DVD. And then everyone else was like, this is the best movie ever. And then I was like, well, fine. And then I forgot about it kind of. I sort of outgrew it.

And now I have some thoughts, which we will talk about. Oh, you're not a fan? Not anymore, I don't think. Really? I wasn't getting that read from you when we were watching it. Well, I'm very difficult to read. Unlike you, Jenny, I have a very good poker face. You've got exclusively a poker face. Yeah. And that I don't emote any emotions. I'm just a weird robot. I am Caitlin, the robot. I over emote. I know we need to balance

each other out. I wish we could like hold hands and like some of your emotions could leach into my body. I would love for you to take some. There's too many. And I don't have enough. So anyway, how about the recap? Let's do it. So Mean Girls focuses on a character named Katie Herron played by Lindsay Lohan. She moves to a new

school in Michigan where she's going to go to school for the first time. It's in Evanston, isn't it? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Illinois. Yeah. My bad. Evanston's a cool little place. Yeah, it is a cool place.

Yeah. I did the Northwestern College program. I got to be there for a summer, and the coolest thing about it to me was that it was where Katie Herron lived. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah.

So I'm dumb as states. Anyway. We're mad. So she moves to a new school, and has never been to like public school before. She's only been homeschooled because her parents were research zoologists in Africa. So she's like, oh, my God, I'm in a new school. I don't know how to be a person. So she meets a couple of friends, Janice Ian and Damian, and they're like, we're going to be friends with you. And we're going to teach you the lay of the land. And then she meets the Plastics, which is this group of three young women who are mean girls.

Hey, that's the name of the movie. And Janice has some beef with the Queen Bee of the Plastics, Regina and George. Regina sort of takes a liking to Katie. So Janice is like, hey, like hang out with regina and pretend to like be her friend and then we can like dish on all the stupid stuff that they say but things get a little out of hand katie sort of becomes one of the plastics herself and then she has some lessons to learn some friendships to repair there's a boy that she has a crush on and aaron samuels.

That's where the October 4th joke comes from, right? Or is it October 14th? Because the other Lindsay Lohan October thing is October 11th. October 11th? My birthday is on October 11th and then they put the picture together. We should do that movie. The Parent Trap? Yeah.

Hallie, we're like sisters. we're like twins and then they cry and hug oh my gosh that movie definitely passes the Bechdel test that movie yeah with flying colors uh Lindsay Lohan and herself have a million scenes

does it count though if it's the same woman talking to herself though and then there's Chessie Chessie's awesome. And then Natasha Richardson is a goddess. Is Dennis Quaid in it? He's her dad. And then there's Meredith is supposed to be 26 in it.

Which makes me upset. That is crazy. She was a lady. Does that mean we can date Dennis Quaid? Does this mean... Is that a Quaid? Does this mean? Is that a sliding scale? I've been dating Dennis Quaid. I've been dating Randy Quaid.

I want to be Quaid adjacent. Sure, sure, sure. So yeah, that's pretty much the story. I just got sucked up in Parent Trap 98. So good. Oh, yeah. Well, going back to Mean Girls. So yeah, Katie, she becomes a mean girl herself. And then Miss Norbury, aka Tina Fey, is like, you guys have to learn how to be better to each other. And then everyone sort of makes up at the end. And there's a spring fling dance. There's a mathlete competition. by the way and one of my favorite plot twins yeah i i don't know where i suffer that stupid thing i do like that they got away with it like what a crazy thing to have to be like and then

she gets hit by a bus and they were like you know what we're gonna trust you with this one yeah it just feels like a prank that uh someone got away with presumably tina fey right by the way i was a mathlete in high school did you have a jacket i didn't have a jacket we only did i think like two or three competitions that i was a part of um but we had mathletes at my school well your school might have been cooler than mine maybe maybe it was kind of like hogwarts right Did you have a headmaster named Dumbledore? We had, well, no, we had a principal named Dr. Zakowitz. Same thing. She was pretty cool.

Cool. Oh, I like that she was a woman. Yeah. Great. Yeah, and her husband was a history teacher. So she had a very nice beta husband who was like, my wife is dope. Good role models. I love a good beta husband.

I love beta males. Gimme. Where are they? They're everywhere, but they're just quiet. Mine's downstairs. Your beta male's downstairs. I think that I've skewed two alpha recently and I've got to be like, you've got to be sneaky.

You've got to sneak up on them. They spook easy. But if you bring your net, you'll be okay. You can trap them. You can do it. And then you say, okay, now I'm going to fix you. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, that's the story of Mean Girls. Let me just start by saying that I have conflict. Okay, so it's not that I hate the movie, but I definitely don't think it's aged well. And I think it's pretty problematic. And I'm experienced the same way that I experienced Heather's, which we talked about on an earlier episode where it's like, okay, great. It's a movie about women, but a lot of them hate each other and they say horrible things to each other. And it portrays women in this like very catty competitive way where they're really mean and awful to each other. And I just want everyone to get along. I just want a movie where everyone gets along and there's no

conflict. No, I'm kidding. Like that was very much my experience of the women I knew when I was sort of in my early teens is that it is very competitive. People don't get along like it was. And I don't think that's the case necessarily. I think that it's a bad stereotype about women that that's how it always is. And I think as you get older i think that you start to realize like oh like these are my allies and these are like the people who i care about and like some of the competition dies down and then i think it's like what happens is you realize that you've been pitted against each other at some point right and then you're like oh fuck all y'all i'm gonna be with women right are going to have to earn my trust, not the other way around.

Yeah. And like that was what happened to me was like I felt like there were a bunch of women I felt really distant from. And I was like, oh, it's because like the men in my life are douchebags. And I think that's sort of what happens at some point is you like realize how much a society is built on making you feel competitive with other women. Sure. Especially when you're in feel competitive with other women. Sure. Especially when you're in the industry and stuff. Yeah. I mean, where there's days where it still feels that way.

And I don't know. I guess for me, this is sort of like portraying. I think it's a pretty, you know, it's obviously it's a movie, but in terms of portraying something sort of close to what it could actually look like in real life is important to get people to relate. Because I feel like if we just have a movie where women are totally supporting each other and getting along. Doesn't make for an interesting movie. Not that interesting. But then also, I don't know. If it was a movie about teenage boys not getting along, would we have a problem with it? Probably not. I don't know, like if it was a movie about teenage boys not getting along, would we have a problem with it?

Probably not. I don't know. I'm sort of I've got a specific piece stuck in my head right now that I read this morning in Harper's Bazaar by Jennifer Wright, who's a writer I really like, about how like the idea of feminism is getting conflated with all women having to like each other and what a Stepford Wives-y kind of environment that that encourages, where it's like you don't have to like other women. You can think other women are stupid and wrong, and the way you could think men are stupid and wrong, you just need to respect them on a basic level believe that they have the

same rights that you do and you're still like i don't know like being a woman who's a feminist doesn't mean that you can't have a negative opinion of another woman especially if what they're doing sucks like to you uh or doesn't match up with with your values or whatever so that's i haven't't fully processed it, but it's something that I was thinking about in relation to this movie of like, it makes sense that a lot of the characters in this movie would be pitted against each other.

Sure. And yeah, I don't think it's like portraying anything unrealistic or things that don't happen because yeah, these things like a lot of women this age do treat each other this way.'s no doubt about it could we argue that maybe one of the reasons that like women feel that they're pitted against each other or that they feel like needed to be competitive and mean to each other are movies like this that perpetuate the stereotype could we argue that maybe not maybe so i don't. I don't know. I don't know. Let's talk about

it. Yeah. Well, when you guys saw this movie for the first time, which character resonated with you the most? I would say probably Janice Ian. Yeah, me too. I think of the sort of othered. I was the girl who said that Regina George punched her in the face. Like, the thing is, is like i wasn't even at a level where i thought i could even try to be popular like you know what i mean like nor would i want to like i just wanted to die for most of high school but that's like that's this whole separate story like i just did but it wasn't like a motivating factor for me sure but i really liked this i guess idea of like a world where there was redemption possible for totally whatever this was or there was some way to heal or through like my high school like it

was weird because like i went through all of high school where i was like yeah all the movies are correct like this high school is like terrible and there's like a couple of kids who are like ridiculously popular and attractive and all this stuff like that's how every high school is like terrible and there's like a couple of kids who are like ridiculously popular and attractive and all this stuff. Like that's how every high school is. I don't have friends. That's normal. And then I got out of my – I went to a very small, very preppy high school. Like we got mentioned on the OC.

Like that's the level of preppy that my high school was. And because we were known for having cocaine dealers. Like we were really – You went to a coke high school? Really preppy, really rich, like rich like really what area i grew up in silicon valley okay um i hated my high school i hated high school but i i also like to be fair don't know i would have liked any high school because i was just going through a lot of issues at the time sure but like when i graduated and like talked to people who had gone to anywhere fucking else but my high school, I was like, oh, I only thought my high school was normal because high schools on TV seemed like that too.

Interesting. So there is an aspect of it that I think might be reinforcing, but it was also really reflective of my experience which was like the weirdest little insular bubble i think i mean part of the reason this movie i don't think has ever bothered me is because i don't think i've ever seen a movie that reminded me of my high school experience including this one yeah like so for me it's like uh entertainment high school and entertainment and high school in the way I experienced it, which wasn't great. And it wasn't, you know, there was a lot of problems, but it's just, it just seemed so separate that it never even, like, I don't even think I really tried to relate with it

that much because I was like, oh, well, you know, this, everyone knows each other at this high school. So I'm like, hey, here's the thing. Here's the thing about my, about Mean Girls and my high school experience. That's totally separate, but maybe maybe interesting. So when I was in high school, I should have mentioned in my credit. So I founded a mental health nonprofit and I spent two years out of the comedy world sort of like doing that. And I have talked a lot about my mental health stuff and that sort of thing.

But one thing was in high school, I was in really intense exposure therapy for this like all-encompassing fear of throwing up. No kidding. And part of this therapy was that they handed me a list at the beginning of the thing where I had to watch movies that included scenes of somebody throwing up. Guess what Mean Girls has twice? Oh, wow. Is Mention of Vomit.

And I know exactly where it is because I always get nervous when that part comes on, even to this day, just because it's like an old reaction. Sure. But so I watched Mean Girls a lot because it was a movie I loved that also had a scene with puking in it. Right, because Katie throws up on Aaron Samuel's lap. Right, which is a really tough scene for me for lots of reasons.

So that's an interesting... I know where every movie has a puke scene. I had to mentally clock it. And To Things I Hate About You has one too, which is another movie that I had mentioned as loving at this age. My most memorable puke scene is

from Team America World Police. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. The puppet just, yeah. It's great. Yeah. Exposure therapy is, man, we should talk about that because I went through exposure therapy last year. We should definitely talk about this.

Yeah. It's holy fuck. I still, man, what a fun adventure. Maybe I need exposure therapy for feelings because i'm so afraid of them i mean just regular therapy is the best thing for that yeah everyone should be in therapy i agree i finally got uh insurance back it takes six months through the animation guild working in the animation guild to get insurance through them which is crazy i'm just so monday it kicked in congratulations i i'm just starting on medicaid unfortunately for my therapist because i whatever like i met him like in the er and he was like i am

yours now like diagnosed me with ocd and bipolar and all this stuff i really needed and didn't know and so now i'm like i don't i never want to leave him because i feel like you saved my life but also no insurance covers him so it's just this thing where the american health system is terrible and steadily getting worse and what are you gonna do i'm never gonna leave him i'll go into debt i don't care. I think that therapy should be free the way that you can get free books at the library. I don't know why that's not just a social service that we have. Because we don't value mental health on the same level as physical health. And we barely value physical health.

Not very much. Oh, are you a woman? Do you have a pre-existing condition? Too bad. Go and die. That's what the Republicans say. Oh, are you a woman? Do you have a pre-existing condition? Too bad. Go and die. That's what the Republicans say. Oh, boy. Okay, wait.

Let's go back. Mean girls. Oh, boy. Yeah. Well, a few things. One of the few reasons this movie does not hold up very well. The word retarded gets said three different times. So that's like, ooh.

That's a very 04. I mean, that's another thing where I'm in no way justifying that. But if we're kicking it to 04, that, I mean, at least in my experience, that was dropped quite a bit in pop culture

and in my middle school. Yeah. It's pretty remarkable the amount of uh sensitivity we have acquired as a culture since the bush administration and like it's i know it's like dropped off precipitously with the rise of actual fucking nazis but like there is also it's pretty it's cool like legitimately there are a lot of kind of like weird gender jokes and stuff in this movie that i don't think would have been made oh yeah well i mean whenever like janice is going through the cafeteria and be like here's where all the cliques sit and she's like this is where the girls who eat

their feelings sit and here's the girls who don't eat anything basically like body shaming women mental illness shaming other women and then like all these different like racial stereotypes yeah there's a lot of jokes about asian people there's uh there's gay jokes at damien's expense like there's a lot of yeah stuff i would need to it's a hard thing because and i'm not trying to say that any of this is like okay but that if we're talking about how people talk about each other in high school that doesn't that's not incredibly unusual true where i think of some of the the words that were thrown at me in high school and it's like well you know this movie is only what pg-13 so't say, hey, there's the girl with the elbow up her asshole.

I'll never forget. I got a lot of Lesbo. And I was like, wow, you're half right. But yeah, I think just stuff that... It's partially 2004, and it's partially stuff that just kids in high school say. And then like there's a tiny part that's problematic fave Tina Fey, who I love, even though I think she has some really huge blind spots when it comes to especially talking about race. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, I think she has net put more good into the world than bad.

But really, really tough listening to her defend certain choices she's made and things she's written. And the Native American storyline in Kimmy Schmidt. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm thinking about too well i think her character miss norberry is poised as being like this wise woman who like she she's an ally and she's gonna give you all the answers on how to treat each other better as women but i would argue that she is the most problematic character of them all and let me explain why go for it there's a few scenes where she is talking to a character, usually Katie, and being like, hey, here's a reason that you should do this. And the reasons are always problematic. For

example, she's trying to get Katie to join the mathletes. And she's like, yeah, we'd love to have a girl on the team so that the team could meet a girl. Not because women need to be represented in mathematics, not because it would be good for Katie or because she's good at math. Really quick, women in STEM. Women in STEM, exactly. But it's so that the boys on the team could have a chance to interact with a woman. That was her reasoning for Katie joining the math team. I felt like she was joking because she's a female math teacher.

Like surely she has. Yes. But then it keeps happening. Another scene, whenever she's like, you girls, toward the end when they're all in the gymnasium, you've got to stop calling each other sluts and whores because that just makes it okay for guys to call you sluts and whores. So the reason she's giving is always how these women, their experience is related to men. Because she doesn't say, oh, it's because slut shaming is wrong and you should like be building each other up rather than tearing each other down like

there's that and then finally during the mathlet competition whenever their two teams are about to go up against each other miss norbury goes up to katie's like you can do this there's nothing to break your focus because not one of those Marymount boys is cute. Again, bringing her experience back to like how it relates to men. She didn't say, oh, you can do this because you're good at math or because you've prepared a lot for this. Like, it just bothered me that all the reasons she kept giving for different things were like, it's how it's how your experience relates to men in some way so it bothered me yeah i i get maybe i'm being nitpicky no i i think that those are valid points um i don't know i mean the thing that the thing that always bothers me about especially like mid-aughts tina fey

characters early little lemon is just like t, stop pretending that you look like shit. You don't look like shit. You look great. Stop it. Like the whole, the whole, where she's like, I'm not that cute. I know I do math. I'm not that good. It's like, you're beautiful.

Yeah. Calm down. I don't know. A lot of what she said for sure is in reference to men, but I, but also seemed clearly communicated as a joke or a lead-in to a visual. Like the Marymount Boys, then it cuts to a pretty... Well, I thought that in particular was because Katie had broken her focus through the whole semester because of Aaron Samuels.

So I thought that in particular was just her saying, well, you don't got an Aaron Samuels here. And her character dealt with the Aaron Samuels here. So like, and her character dealt with that, that the Aaron Samuels thing pretty well. Yeah. In terms of calling her out or, you know, the scene where she's like, well, it's weird because all your work is correct, but only the answers. Oh, and she's like, you don't have to dumb yourself down to like impress guys. Impress a guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she still is the most problematic character. Like she right off the bat assumes that the black girl in class is uh yes right who is from michigan oh right right maybe that's uh is the african girl but yeah i'm not saying i don't think your reads are wrong i just don't again in the context of the movie they're not like the most problematic things about the movie

even though the movie does have a lot of problematic things yeah i mean doing this podcast has basically ruined me i'm now like it's like oh this movie isn't fucking perfect like i could be more it's ripping off a band-aid a lot well i don't know if that's i mean i think this is like one of the places that we've come to and like i don't even know that slut shaming was a concept in 2004 that people were familiar with. I don't think we gave it a name, at least. I mean, it was happening, but we weren't identifying it as like, oh, this is what you're doing.

There were sluts, but there was not the concept of shaming yet. Well, people were slut-shaming, but we didn't have a word for it. We weren't saying like, you shouldn't do this because that's problematic. Right. 2004, I was getting slut shamed every day.

I'm kidding. Oh, really? I don't know what like the closest to perfect in that regard movie is. I'd be interested to try and, because I think every movie has a pretty huge blind spot because every person has a pretty huge blind spot and they're like everybody messes up and the only thing anybody can do is when they mess up and when they're like oh wow i didn't even think about this blind spot that i had you're right and i will do better in the future and like then you just keep learning and that's a place where i think tina fey's failed a little bit but everybody gets to have a problematic fave i think and yeah i think she's a good one she's a

good one she's a good tina fey at least we have a women writer for this movie and it was tina fey wrote it and then she adapted it from the book by rosalind wiseman which is such a cheesy book i've never read it oh queen bees and wannabes we that was a part of the whole church group deal as you also had to read the book with your mom uh i remember like i feel like there's a lot of stuff like that where my mom was reading a lot of books like that and i don't know how much they really helped her because like the real issue for me in high school was mostly just making sure i didn't kill myself so like i don't know how many of them much any of those books ended up factoring into how she dealt with me right but like i do know she or like she watched like the movie like 13 and stuff. And I'm like, I'm not going to lose my virginity for a solid seven years.

So you're cool. Let's shift the focus. Right. Yeah. My mom didn't. I don't know. I think my mom was sort of just like, well, I realize things don't look too good. But my mom, what she tried to do, actually, which is kind of antithetical to the whole Mean Girls church group thing, was my mom actively tried to steer me into what she was in high school, which was a popular, well-liked gal.

And I guess I'd really have to dig deep to figure out how I feel about it. But I guess that she did that with a small degree of success where I, my, you know, my interests were reading and playing the oboe and I did ballet dancing, but usually I was wearing a back brace. And then my mom started being like, Oh, you should join the drama club. You know, you should join the dance team. You should do this. You should do this. And she pushed me in a more conventional direction, which I wish she hadn't done. But also at the time I listened. So I guess what I'm saying is my mom is my problematic fave. She's, yeah, it's weird.

And then you think like the generation before us was influenced by all this shit as well. And I don't know what the mean girls for their generation, it just didn't exist. Rizzo. Oh, true. Pink ladies. Yeah. From Grease. I need to rewatch that.

Yeah. I hate musicals. Oh, wow. Hold on one second. Let me just chug the rest of this. You stop that right now. I hate musicals and I hate the lift from Dirty Dancing

that's right I hate it all Joel Schumacher directed Femme of the Opera 2004 it's a terrible adaptation it's also a terrible musical but I love it I will have the Phantom talk with you like anytime

it's very bad it is mostly a movie about how to run an opera house poorly and then has a couple of scenes of business oh my god wait are we yeah we should talk about it spammy these unending trials i'm leaving i don't want to be here. My wife! That is cheeky. Yes. Oh, and then I enjoy Patrick Wilson's interpretation of Raul. I do, too. He's good. I think he's underrated. It's like, wow, Christine, do you want to marry the ugly murderer rapist or the handsome

nice guy? Who's actually a good actor. Who is actually a solid actor and can sing. And she's still like, oh, this is... Gerard Butler cannot hit the top note on Music of the Night. He can't hit it. It's his one job. No.

It's so bad. Oh, okay. Sorry. That's our obligatory Joe Schumacher shout out. The Schumacher shout out. Back to the cast, babe. Schumacher shout out. The only musical I like is Team America World Police.

Yeah, I'm going to keep mentioning it on this episode. Well, it's got the best song ever, which is Pearl Harbor Sucks and I Love You. Yeah, that's a great song. It's such a good song, and I think about it all the time. The montage song, love it. Even though they already did it in an earlier episode of South Park, fine, you can recycle your material,

Trey Parker. Well, have you seen Cannibal the Musical and how do you feel about it? I have not seen that, no. It's brilliant. If you like South Park, Bigger, Long and uh and team america then it's a kind of a trilogy oh hell yeah it's it's got a lot of the same jokes you see where a lot of like really early jokes came from and i'll watch it it's very delightful cool good guys good guys love them friends of the cast what about book of mormon What about Book of Mormon? I haven't seen that either. It's fantastic. I haven't seen it.

I don't have the money to go watch things on stage. What you have to do is start writing for a clickbait website and then just be like, hey, I'll write about it. And then hopefully they forget. Oh, cool. That's why I've seen a lot of shows for a lot of years. Hire me, BuzzFeed. I did stand up on BuzzFeed once. And, well, I'll put the link in the comments.

It was an experience. I'm changed. Yeah. BuzzFeed changed. BuzzFeed once and well, I'll put the link in the comments. It was an experience. I'm changed. BuzzFeed changed. BuzzFeed changed. We haven't really talked about the plastics that much. No, we haven't. So we've got Regina George. Rachel McAdams kills it. Best. So

good. I agree with that. Which is weird because I'm never particularly drawn to her in anything else. But she just like, I mean, all three plastics. And we were talking about this. I agree with that. Which is weird because I'm never particularly drawn to her in anything else. But she just like, I mean, all three plastics. And we were talking about this. I don't like Amanda Seyfried that much or Seyfried. I never like her in anything. I forget it's her

because I like it. She was in the Mamma Mia musical movie, which was a What a bummer. Absolute. Well, I mean, it's not a great musical, but it's like... Toothbox. Yeah, it's a bad, bad, bad movie. And then, whoa,

Lacey Chabert. Eliza Thornberry. Eliza Thornberry as Gretchen Wieners. Gretchen is my favorite plastic. Mine too. I think if they're... Gretchen is the closest I could get to connecting with a plastic of she is... Me too. She's if they're, Gretchen is the closest I could get to connecting with a plastic of she is.

Me too. She's showing up for the Jewish American princesses. She like, well, because she's like, she is a subordinate, but she's also just as smart as her boss, as it were. And I mean, I just I have a real soft spot for Gretchen Wieners, especially when she does that speech about Julius Caesar and Brutus. That is where, where I come closest to feeling for her of like, oh, she just really wants,

but also that's the makings of a monster. If you give that person power, right. But she never gets it. Cause it goes to Lindsay Lohan. Yeah. Yeah. Lindsay Lohan's really good in this movie.

This is like a, this, and then she freaky friday kind of in the same year and then she's of a teenage drama queen we start oh right yep then we start to lose her and be fully loaded she's gone the canyons is next um wait what's that oh it's the movie she did with james dean like three years ago the The porn star. Wait, I never saw that. Who's like also a rapist. Yeah, he's not a thing anymore. No, he's a bad person. He's a bad man, yeah. She did this movie and the article that was, maybe it was in The New Yorker.

I'm not sure. But a really fascinating article by somebody who basically like hung out on set and like watched this travesty unfold and with i do feel for lindsey lohan i think she's i feel very bad for her she's a casualty because she was delightful in a lot of these uh i thought she was very very delightful in this movie she's talented i think she's and and also i think that this is a and this has nothing to do with feminism however so many people shine in their roles that you don't usually see them shine in and it's like

oh this movie is very well written because there's so many actors that I'm very underwhelmed by in any other movie who I just this part is written perfectly for them and then there's Amy Poehler who's just Amy Poehler just who's just started. Amy Poehler just started to peak.

30 Rock hadn't happened. Parks and Rec hadn't happened. She's still on SNL at this point, I think. Yeah, she's still on SNL. And Tim Meadows is maybe the best part of the whole movie. His jokes, I think, are the best. When he's like, I'll keep you here all night. You can't keep him here past four.

I'll keep you here till four. Or the first uh i have half a mind to cancel the dance but we've already paid the dj so i'm not gonna do that and like it's perfect you don't have to give a speech most people just take the crown and walk off stage also um just to objectify a man great topless Tim Meadows scene or maybe it's it's close enough his arms

yeah he's weirdly built for a comedian he's toned yeah I'm just like what he's a toned man he doesn't have to be because he's a comedian but don't tell him hopefully he stays that way forever good looking guy. Good looking man.

Yeah. Oh no, we're not passing the Bechdel test. Shout out to Tim. Listen, sometimes you've got to be like, this man who could be my father has a nice bod. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's important for us to objectify men now and then. Yeah.

So yeah, that is a large part. Magic Mike. A large part of our podcast and then. Yeah. Magic Mike. It's a large part of our podcast, honestly. Oh, because I want to re-watch Magic Mike. I also want to re-watch Magic Mike. I also want to re-watch the sequel. I haven't seen it either. We should watch it. Yeah, that would be amazing. Wait, I have a fun fact about the Chippendales. Can I say it really quick?

Please. Okay, so first of all, friend of the cast, Sophia Benoit. Love Sophia. She's the best. Hi, Sophia. Hi, Sophia. Hope you're listening. I say hi, too. She saw the Chippendales not too long ago and was regaling me about all the

amazing stunts, and I would love to see the Chippendales live, first of all. Second of all, to the inventor of the Chippendales, there was, oh God, I can't remember her name off the top of my head, a murdered Playboy model. I used to work at Playboy, so I knew a lot about this woman whose name I cannot currently remember. She was 20 years old when she was murdered. She was in a bunch of Bogdanovich movies, or in at least one. Dorothy Stratton.

Dorothy Stratton. It's an amazing, it's a fascinating story. My favorite podcast, You Must Remember This, just did a really good episode. I love You Must Remember This. Yeah, she's the season finale of their Dead Blondes season. Anyways, she was murdered by her husband, who knew he was losing her to Peter Bogdanovich. In any case, her husband also invented the Chippendales. Even though he died in a murder-suicide and it was a horrible, horrible, horrible person,

it came out later that he had invented the Chippendales and never gotten any credit for it. I would just like to say that my favorite podcast is The Bechdelcast. Sorry. You must remember this is a very good podcast. never gotten any credit for it. I would just like to say that my favorite podcast is The Bechdelcast and... Sorry! You must remember this is a very good podcast. Maybe pause, listen to it. The Joan Crawford Betty Davis run was

all about Joan Crawford, but then it had this, which who's a very fascinating person. I've even watched Feud at all. I haven't, but I need to. Alfred Molina shout out love a good melina cake beef cake beef cake look i love a good melina love the melines oh god give me more melina i really read a think piece the other day of like alfred molina he wasn't given enough to do. I'm like, well, no matter what, I agree. Go and watch him. Oh, so that's what I know about the Chippendales.

Why were we talking about the Chippendales? Magic Mike. And then we talked about Tim Meadows being kind of built and objectifying men. Wow. Six Degrees. The real thing. While we're still talking about male strippers, I'd like to shout out one of my top favorite movies of all time, The Full Monty. Oh, well, that was a musical, too, starring Patrick Wilson.

I actually saw it. Yes. I saw, like, the off-Broadway version of it in State College, Pennsylvania, where I did go to college to get one of my two degrees in film. Oh, my God. I hate bringing it up. I really don't like to be the one to mention that I do have a master's degree in screenwriting. But, you know, sometimes someone just. So you're, like, the most qualified person to talk about this movie.

Absolutely not. No, you are. Well, we never do our degree check-in anymore. But I still just have one degree. People whose favorite podcast is the Metrocast. Do you have a degree in public radio? Yeah, I went to Emerson. They let you do that there that's very cool

it was fun yeah i didn't end up actually doing it but it was fun because i have a bfa in tv writing so i do not have so i like have a degree but like not not two degrees yeah not two degrees has anyone seen hard candy with patrick wilson yes I love that movie. I saw that movie for the first time with my dad. It's a hard movie to watch. Yeah, because Patrick Wilson gets fucking castrated. That's why it's hard to watch. He's also a pedophile. He's a pedophile, but also

Ellen Page, I never, I don't know. I think because of Ellen Page's age. I have an equally big crush on Ellen Page. I don't know how old she is in that movie, but just in life, Ellen Page. And like I did, I don't know how old she is in that movie, but just in life, Ellen Page. I just remember being fucking like floored by my she's cutting off his dick and my dad's

sitting right there. Why did your dad take you to see Heart Candy? We watched it together on IFC. Why? I don't know. I do not know. Could not tell you. First of all, shout out to IFC. Second, why did you guys screen this when Jay made her dad? Why not?

Well, I think I like walked in on, my dad went through a real indie film phase, which I think was, he was just like, well, this is where they showed breasts on television. My dad's only ever gone through a James Bond phase. Really? And movies about racing. My dad likes movies about race cars. Race cars. My dad, my dad writes about race cars he contains multitudes really my dad that's my dad's like hobby he's really really drives race cars yeah my my dad uh he used to cover professional race car driving in new

hampshire so i used to go with him when i was a kid what kind what series or anything i i it was it was nascar and then it was also like truck driving. Oh, really? Yeah, I remember that there was, I forget what her name was, but there was a female truck driver who I don't think ever was very famous,

but she was like my hero when I was little. That's so cool. Because she was like this badass female pickup truck driver and we'd go and it'd be loud and I'd be scared, but then I'd get to touch her hand

and it'd be exciting. That's awesome. Did you know once Raymond Bork kissed me on my forehead? You know somebody named Raymond Bork? Yeah, he's a famous hockey player in the Boston Bruins. He's a legend. That's what I would name a hockey player in a sketch. Right, Raymond Bork.

Raymond Bork. Raymond Bork. And then once when I was a baby, there's a picture of me kissing my little baby forehead. And then my dad was like that was more important than her baptism raymond bork kiss my baby your borktism my borktism oh shout out to uh new england hockey fans anyways what what are we talking about what's the podcast who knows anymore i'm enjoying myself oh yeah we both had a mike's harder it's the mike's heart i'm very sober right now but in regards to i i do like

that they plant the idea in young women with this script that no one is just ever pure evil and regina george is given some depth as to yes she is horrible and we see her do all this horrible stuff but then you see her home life and you see i don't know like when when i saw this movie for the first time the idea that a popular girl had insecurities was something that had truly never occurred to me um so in in that way i i think that that was i think a positive thing for me of it doesn't justify the behavior in any way but it also is just like well everyone has their things that that they're concerned about and no one is as perfect as they whatever sure yeah i like that the main female characters outnumber the main male characters.

Yeah. Because if you're considering all the people, yeah, I mean, between Katie, Janice, Regina, Gretchen, Karen, and then, like, Miss Norbury we'll throw in there. Those are, like, the main women. And then you've also got, like, Regina's mom and Katie's mom. And then of the main male characters who, like, have the most screen time, it's really only Damien and Aaron Samuels. A little bit of Kevin, a little bit of Dan. Shane Omen. Principal.

Coach Carr, the principal. But those are all more secondary or tertiary characters. We should say Coach Carr is weird to assume a pedophile and rapist. He is a rapist. Which is hard because they do not call that out. And that's like a weird little subplot that is like, wait a second, there's a Lifetime movie going on here where it's both racist and excusing a pedophile.

That is one of the things that bothers me more about this movie is these two characters they're basically treated as the same character and they don't really speak english so we never know and they're just like catty girls who are being you know manipulated by the same pedophile which is is gross to me because something like that happened in my high school by my middle school track coach. Fortunately, I was a little bit too young to be his type. But it's just, yeah. We had somebody like that too. I don't know.

The way that that very, very tiny storyline is handled feels like normalizing that in a way that's never resolved. And it's almost like you know the coach looks silly like i've been caught and but the girls look silly too and it's like no they're they're they're the victims of this grown man who has the really funny scene about don't have sex right exactly but they're, look at the hilarious irony where he's the guy who's like, never have sex or you'll die.

And he's raping children. So that is, that's one of, maybe my least favorite part of this movie. Because at least most of the storylines are problematic,

but at least handled with a fair amount of humor and irony. But that one is pretty much just used as a joke. Yeah. Down to the Tim Meadows line of like,

step away from the teenage girl's coach car. And it's just like, he's a rapist. Yeah. Yep. There's that. So throughout this, we're given the backstory that Janice Ian was teased and she's constantly being called a lesbian

and a dyke and all this stuff. And then her moment of redemption is when she's constantly being called a lesbian and a dyke and all this stuff. And then her moment of redemption is when she's standing in the gym scene where she's like, I guess it's because I have a big lesbian crush on you. So where it lands is being a lesbian is still like not good. And Janice, it turns out, which, you know, is not a big deal. She is not a lesbian or she's you know we're never given the exact story but the where the way that subject is left is she treats being called a lesbian very sarcastically and it's an insult the way it's because every time damien's like oh this is why she hates regina george so much because she spread this rumor in eighth grade about and then she's like no don't say it like yeah the idea of like anyone might thinking that uh she is a lesbian is

horrifying to her this is bush administration where that truly could have made you know it made people social it made me a social pariah briefly of like wait you might be a lesbian you know and it's just it's just, it's bad. It's bad. Does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? I still like it. I know that it hasn't aged well in all respects, but I still like it. It's still entertaining.

Yeah. Does it pass the Bechdel test? Sure does. Yes, it does. Sure does. There are a lot of scenes where women are talking about a man, but there's a lot of scenes where they're not. Janice and Katie talk about other women. They talk about the plastics a lot.

A lot. They talk about Regina George a lot. They talk about, but then they also talk about, like, friendship and, you know, things like that. Katie and Miss Norbury talk about math. The plastics talk to each other. It sounds almost like a jokey pass of the Bechdel test. The plastics

talk to each other about clothes, about their bodies, and how they're ashamed of them to some degree. Things like that. So, plenty scenes where the movie passes the Bechdel test. So, hey, that's cool. We can rate the movie on our nipple scale.

Let's do it. We have a scale of zero to five nipples where we rate the movie based on its portrayal of women. I'm going to give it three and a half nipples for the reason that I think that it's a, you know, it is not the fairness Bible. It's a good place to start for young girls, particularly girls growing up at this very specific time. I think that it started a lot of important conversations, even though it didn't handle everything perfectly. Just seeing a major Hollywood movie with mostly female leads is important. Does not do great with race. This is not a very diverse movie.

It certainly has its shortcomings. It's important. It does not do great with race. This is not a very diverse movie. It certainly has its shortcomings. But by and large, for your average teenage girl, I think it is a good place to start. And it is a good movie to be in the world. And it also makes me laugh a lot. So I'll give it three and a half nipples. Two of them belong to Miss Norbury. One belongs to Tim Meadows, the one you can see poking through in the gym scene. And then

the last half belongs to Anna Gassar because I love her. I don't get to see her enough in movies. I think I'm I'll go, I'll skew down a bit and I'll give it three nipples because while they all sort of redeem themselves at the end, it's

just a movie of like 90 minutes of, you're a slut, you're a whore, I'm a whore. We're all shitty and you're a bitch and I'm a bitch. And just like a lot of just women mistreating each other. And I know the point of the movie is to be like, don't be like this. But I don't know. I think if this movie was remade

or a similar movie was made today, I would hope that it handles a lot of the things that this movie does not handle well. I would hope that it handles those things better. So, Hey, I'm looking forward to that movie. Maybe I'll write it.

Maybe I'll use my master's degree in screenwriting for, for good for once in my life. You use it for good all the time. Oh, thanks. Every time we turn on the mic. And every time we open a mic's hard. Ha!

True. And so yeah, three nipples. Two of them belong to Aaron Samuels. Wow. Who I looked up on Twitter and I was like, man, this guy is still cute. So good for him. Not surprised. He seemed like a lifer.

Right. And then the third nipple I'm going to give to Damien. Love Damien. Oh, I will say that I liked that he and Janice wear the same purple tuxedo. I like that she sort of subverts the tip of, oh, I'm a woman. I have to wear a dress. No, she's going to wear a tuxedo. I also just.

Man, when Damien sings beautiful. That is a great moment. He pelts the shoe back at them. And then he gets his shoe thrown at him. And then he wails it right back at the guy. Oh, the other thing I like about this movie that I noticed is that the reason that they move from Africa to Evanston is that it's her mom who gets

tenure at Northwestern. Not her dad. Her mom. Oh, I forgot that detail. Very interesting. Very quick, easy to overlook detail. And if we're talking beta males. Yeah. Yeah, Katie's dad was with that great line about being a podcast called Talking Beta Males, where it's always two women and there's a man sitting there but he doesn't talk but he doesn't or he's like

on my bed but he can barely talk yeah right and you're just like you may no totally fine we're we'll just keep going i turn the kitchen go you may hang in hang in yeah you may speak do you that's our podcast whenever we have a male guest we only allow them to speak whenever we remove the muzzle from their face. Right, right, right. Very steampunky kind of muzzle. Yes. No, okay.

Oh, just episode reminder. Steampunk, no. No steampunk. We don't tolerate steampunk here. Yeah. The final prejudice. Stands. No steampunk.

Jenny, would you like to rate the movie? Well, the thing is, like, I really, like, I don't think I can be objective in any way. I love this movie. And it's like it's also like we didn't even talk about what kind of a cultural touchstone it's been as far as like Mean Girls quotes. Like, oh, it's a very characteristic of the meme factory. And here's what I'll say.

I don't know that this is a great portrayal of women's all i think this movie is but yeah it is not diverse it is uh not particularly sensitive about women's issues but it you know we have over a decade of other movies that have been made because and in in the wake of mean girls and we have over a decade of feminist media that's been made kind of in the wake of mean girls this was at the time a really important and groundbreaking movie because we did start i feel like having conversations about like the genuine complicated feelings of teenage girls well yeah we're like both of us that was like the context we were brought into the movie of like starting a

discussion with teenagers and they're not like no matter because like there were a lot of teenage movies before that but i think a lot of them were like dudes trying to fuck in high school and like there just wasn't a lot of movies about like girl on girl bullying until this movie like that did seem like heathers was the other one but heathers has a whole other set of things going on heathers is very unrealistic and i felt like mean girls was kind of a movie that yeah did more grounded to me i feel like i feel like the generation after us will be able to see mean girls clearly and have more the way that i feel able to separate myself from heathers someone a generation after me will be able to separate themselves from mean girls but yeah it's too, it's too embedded in me.

I feel kind of that way about Clueless too, where it's like, I'm sure if I could step back from it, I'd find things to dislike. But as is, I think it's a literally perfect film. Clueless is literally perfect. Hey, listen to that episode of ours, I guess. Had you guys not already done it, that is a thousand percent, because I can recite that movie and that's, I think I can with one movie. Yeah. I know what you're thinking is, it's like an oxy, that is a thousand percent. Because I can recite that movie. Really? Yeah.

I know what you're thinking. It's like an oxy. I'm a commercial or what? But I actually have a way normal life for a teenage girl. I mean, I get up and I pick out my school clothes. Daddy's a litigator. Keep it rolling. Keep it rolling.

Keep it rolling. Even Lucy, our maid, is terrified of him. No. He gets paid $500 an hour to fight with people, but he fights for me for free because I'm his daughter. That sounds right. That sounds right. Caitlin can do that with Pirates of the Caribbean. Really?

I'm embarrassed to admit. I can do that with probably 15 different movies. Back to the Future being one of them. I can do that with The Jinx. The Jinx. With the Robert Durst documentary? Yeah. That's fucking amazing. People don't like it when you shave your eyebrows you look weird end of episode well we're all friends now um we did it

and and we're not mean girls to each other we're nice you guys are maybe it's because we're all in our 20s all of us not none of us are about to be 31. Caitlin's triggering herself. You're going to be okay. No, I actually am very proud to be almost 31 because as a woman of advancing years, I feel great about it. You're 31 is not advancing years. A woman of advancing years. You're a badass person and you're great. Thank you. You don't need to call yourself advancing. I mean, they're advancing.

You are. I mean, you're advancing. You are. I mean, you're advancing. We're all advancing. We're all advancing in our ways. I'm 14 years old, and I feel great about it. You're doing so well for a 14-year-old. I'm so excited to be born. All right. Thank you so much for being here.

Anything you'd like to plug? Where can we find you? Just follow me on Twitter at Jenny Jaffe. Perfect. We will. Thank you. Bye, guys. Bye.

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