The Bechdel Cast - New Year's Eve

Episode Date: December 31, 2020

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Welcome to the Bexel cast. Wait, wait. Which one was yours? Oh, my favorite line from the film, the prestige film from 2011 directed by gary marshall new year's eve my favorite line is let the best vajayjay win and then everyone was like ha ha ha it's so funny oh this what a what a happy almost new year everyone uh This is the Bechtelcast. I'm Jamie Loftus. I'm Caitlin Durante, and this is our podcast about how movies fare when we look at them through an intersectional feminist lens.

And folks, we're going to have fun this week. I feel like we, as an extended podcast family have earned it. It's been the biggest shit pile of a year on record and that was a pretty competitive market. Truly. There's been

some pretty shitty years in the history of the world. You know what people were having a lot of optimism for was uh 2012 apparently they made a whole movie about how excited we were for 2012 yeah why wouldn't this movie have come out in like the end of 1999 when like we were actually talking about like this new millennium y2k was a big thing there was like so much maybe like 2012 2012 was the year that some people thought the world would end because of the like oh i forgot about the mayan calendar thing my theory was it was the

entire movie was funded by obama's re-election campaign. They're just like, 2012, right? I think they would have made a far better movie if that were true. I don't know. That's up for debate. This movie is god-awful. Okay, so this is the Bechdel cast.

If this is your first episode, maybe reconsider it or just hang out and see. We're loose today. But we're going to use the Bechdel test, I guess, theoretically, as a jumping off point for discussion. That being a media metric test invented by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel-Wallace test, that requires that, for our purposes, two people of a marginalized gender with names talk to each other about something other than a man for more than two lines of dialogue.

Doesn't seem like it would be that hard. This movie really takes a long time to get there. Really long. It does get there. Sort of. It does, but it barely does anything. There's a whole scene in this movie

where Sofia Vergara and Katherine Heigl are just throwing eggs across a room. Feminist. Feminist alert. Feminist eggs of symbolism. Okay, think about it. We're talking about new year's eve the movie that was supposed to get us all excited for 2012 kayla do you do you have a history with this movie have you seen it before

no i hadn't seen this before okay i know i had seen the previous 45-person cast Gary Marshall movie. I have seen Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day. Sure. Okay. I have not seen that one either. Nor have I seen Mother's Day, which came out like five years after this one. It's like an unofficial trilogy because they're all Gary Marshall ensemble movies that are all bad.

There's no way. we were just talking about this off mic there's no way gary marshall actually directed this entire movie i feel like he hired 10 assistant directors and paid them enough to not credit them appropriately and then showed up for one i've the the true story of this movie for me is in the 45 minute blooper reel at the end. It's pretty. It's the most compelling part of the movie. I think Jessica Biel gives a birth to two copies of Valentine's Day on DVD and the blooper on Blu-ray.

Hello. Okay. She's rich, which is which is why like her whole storyline makes no sense. Oh my gosh. None of these storylines make sense i can't wait this is like if uh i mean we we you know early in the cast we covered four years ago at this point we covered love actually and this is if love actually like i don't even know like if Love Actually got hit in the head really hard with a basketball, the movie would maybe be something like this. It's trying to do the same vignette thing. But instead of, like, with Love Actually, the vignettes make sense.

They're just generally pretty sexist and racist and dated. For sure. These don't even make sense they don't make sense at least i mean go back and listen to our love actually episode we had plenty to say about it and i like it's very problematic in many ways we're not fans at least love actually though has the ability to elicit like real emotion in audiences like people responded to that movie for a reason i understand why people really liked it like in a dated way but like you're like okay i i see i see why people were into this at the time right no one was into this at the time i

think we're the first people that have watched it since it came out it made okay it made 142 million dollars at the box office it was number one i can't i what else came out around that time that no one everyone had to go see new year's eve because that's a good that's actually a good question my favorite fun fact about this movie is that it was nominated for five Razzie Awards and lost all of them to Jack and Jill. The Adam Sandler movie. Yes. So, you know, it wasn't even the worst movie to come out that year. It also has a 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. And if you just like, if you look at the like critical reception chunk on Wikipedia about this movie, it's very funny because like the quotes that get pulled about this movie are and like there's, I'm just going to read a couple.

Okay, Roger Ebert, our favorite person person actually has something that we would agree with says new year's eve is a dreary plod through the sands of time until finally the last grain has trickled through the hourglass of cinematic sludge shout out to sludge how how is it possible to assemble more than two dozen stars in a movie and find nothing interesting for any of them to do? End quote. Claudia Winkleman. Not Claudia Winkleman. Of BBC one.

I have found the worst film of all time and it is called New Year's Eve period. And then there's a couple more, but you get the idea. This is, I mean, this is one of those things that it reminds me of the um lindsey ellis did a video on cats and like the sorts of movies that critics come together to

just really take a gigantic dump on as as a professional exercise however this movie does deserve it it's way more than cats did because cats was good uh this movie is is really bad um oh another there's just so many this movie is just a list of moments there's also scenes that seem like they're interrupted by another scene and then the previous scene just starts again yes i have i made a note of a few of those they they keep cutting to a montage that they just they should just let the montage play out but Zac Efron is taking Michelle Pfeiffer around New York City ever heard of it to like check off her new year's resolutions from the previous year and instead of again instead of

letting the whole montage play out they just keep like dispersing little little bits of it throughout the movie and it's like this is so jarring and weird and then they cut back to a scene that they had already like the katherine heigl storyline and it's like just let one of these moments breathe for five seconds they cut away it's that's yeah that that was the i thought the most egregious one too where they cut out of the middle of a scene of katherine heigl and it's not john it's not john bon jovi it's john bon jensen it's uh jensen bon jensen jensen bon jensen uh but they cut out of the middle of it and then it's like the weirdest part of most of that like thing that whole montage is that it's clear that

it's just zach affron doing adr over b-roll that they're not even there for like 100 there's like they cut to like just b-roll of a water taxi and then you hear zach afron say and go in a taxi in new york with no traffic check and you're like what so much of these scenes are adr um yes it's i had i had fun i i will say i was so frustrated because i like i feel like i had to like for a horrible movie you have to really pay close attention to what's like it took me a really long time to because i had to keep pausing and because things keep happening and you're like wait a second they're wait a second why did they just take hillary swank to the maternity ward what is why is that happening there why is she in a room full of babies and then it's over so fast and then you forget right away it's how did how are we

so normally i watched the movie twice i think normally you watch whatever movie we're covering once. We both had to watch it an extra time. So I watched it three times. You watched it twice. I had to watch it twice, yeah. Just because. I also knew I wasn't going to retain it from the night to the morning, which is sad. And that is the mark of a really bad and really poorly written movie.

Yeah. If like none of it sticks with you and it's so jarring and it like just gives you so much whiplash that you cannot piece together any part of the narrative like it just washes over you it's so oh another one of my favorite bad lines is at the the end the hillary swank ludicrous storyline i'm like what is this is so weird uh and then at the end ludicrous's fake family shows up and i've never seen an actor make it more clear that this is not his actual family because he because he like he walks towards these like these poor children and he's like hello my little rug rats you're like you're not their dad also why is ludicrous a cop like an nypd cop and not just like a he's like

a lieutenant or something he's like yeah really high up in the ranks well this is this through uh researching for this very important episode i did find out that uh ludicrous and richard pryor were cousins did you know whoa i didn't know that he's cousins with richard prior and monica the singer oh what a talented family i know it turns out it's a dynasty um but i'd rather see that ensemble cast movie like about a comedian and two musicians all in like all sharing a bloodline that's more interesting than whatever drivel we get with new year's eve richard pryor is not available yeah but ludacris was available for this movie he was so available uh but even though he could be removed from every scene and it would

be no different there was at one point truly like there and and we'll get to the treatment of black and brown characters in this movie because it is real bad but um just like the most poorly written you can imagine but there was a full like 10 minutes that i was convinced i was like is ludicrous actually a ghost big because he's just sort of like in these scenes with hillary swank being like it's gonna be okay and she never asks him really anything about himself and i'm like is he like a ghost of new year's past telling her to go to robert also robert de niro is in this oh yeah i will say for full disclosure i went into this movie being like there's gonna be one storyline that I'm just not gonna pay attention to at all because there are

too many and so I was like one's gotta go and I chose as a character to pay attention during zero of their scenes I chose Josh Duhamel oh I didn't pay attention to a single scene that Josh Duhamel was in I know he ends up with Sarah Jessica Parker but I wasn't paying attention to a single scene that josh demel was in i know he ends up with sarah jessica parker but i wasn't paying attention to josh demel i don't want to learn i feel like i've gotten this far in life without learning who josh demel is and i like i just don't really want to know who he is now he is fergie's husband question mark I think that's the main thing you need to know about him. See, I wouldn't have expected that. I didn't.

I was like, oh, I recognize this guy, but I don't want to look at him. And so I ignored his storyline. But all the other ones, I paid very close attention. I'll fill in the gaps. The Josh Duhamel. What's his name? Josh Duhamel? Is it Duhamel?al what's his name josh dumel i have no idea i have no don't take my word for it i literally fast forwarded through his scenes

you not having paid attention to it will not like someone who did pay attention to it will have no better understanding of what happens in his story than someone who did not pay attention at all so you missed truly nothing god he's tad hamilton and went a date with tad hamilton oh yeah he's in at least one of the transformers movies sure is wow he's in some other stuff this yeah who is this man i'm just not interested um i guess yeah let's let's see let's see uh, I don't know how to recap this exactly. Sorry to end the year on the most difficult recap of all time. Okay. I mean, it's not unlike Cats in that a bunch of characters just keep getting introduced and introduced and introduced.

And then there's no story. And then there's a climax, sort of. And then it's the end. So it's really similar structurally to Cats, if you think about it. It's true. Anyway. You got to hand it to New Year's Eve. So again, this is like an ensemble movie in the vein of Love Actually.

It's trying very hard to be Love Actually and not succeeding. And that is embarrassing. But we're in New York City. It is New Year's Eve day. I think there are like seven main storylines, but then a couple of them kind of morph together by the end. So it's sort of hard to track them. In a way that's supposed to be like, wow,

but this is like they're really reaching for love actually because some of the stories intersect there. But it like, and it doesn't work for me in that movie either, but this one is like, huh? What? do that it really fails we don't care so it's worth mentioning uh new york city in a way is the main character this is really the protagonist of the film it's just kind of a love letter to new york i love the part where robert de niro is like ah that new york air you're like yeah that's disgusting that new york air is yeah that smells like trash all the time it smells like something really wet that you can't identify like awesome yeah they named all of the segments uh really boring in

the did you see in the credits where they're like oh yeah resolution tour hospital story maternity ward jensen and laura's story which is elevator mother daughter ahern party time square you're like this is so boring the pinnacle of creativity yeah if you ask me genius okay so um the other note about this is that i'm going to use actors names instead of characters names just for the sake of clarity because there are truly dozens and dozens of characters. Yeah. And most of them are played by famous people. So that'll just make everything more clear.

Love it. I'm also probably going to like accidentally or on purpose leave some stuff out of this recap because there's just like far too much to even talk about. But here's the gist yeah so one story revolves around hillary swank she is the vp of the times square alliance and she is in charge of the famous ball drop at midnight she flips a gigantic light switch and that's her whole thing but she has vertigo so ludacris has a cop pick her up. Oh, jeez. Right.

Sure. Another story revolves around Zac Efron, who is a bike courier. And he really wants to do some big, epic party for New Year's Eve that night. With Ashton Kutcher, his roommate. With Ashton Kutcher, his roommate. He drops something off a package for Michelle Pfeiffer at her office at a record company. And that turns out to be four tickets to this very exclusive party that Zach would love to go to. But she's like, get away from me.

And then she quits her shitty job with her shitty boss, John Lithgow. John Lithgow is the only person who knows what movie he's in and he has such a fun performance he goes like because he she works at like a record the ahern record company and he's like yes you know it's been a bad year for music music piracy blah blah blah i was like did he just skip over some of the script and then when she says i quit he goes you can't quit it's grammy season i was like this is so vague michelle pfeiffer's wig is so distracting oh my gosh really i'm like she we were texting about this last night but it's like everyone in this movie is playing themselves except for michelle pfeiffer who is like doing this character yeah and okay here's what's really did you get this sense too when you first watch the movie and you're first introduced to her character she is seen

getting off of a bus she's holding a piece of paper it makes it seem like this is her like first time in New York because immediately after that she almost she like goes to cross the street and then almost gets hit by a cab and then has to like twirl around and then prat falls into a pile of trash but then you find out she's lived here for years right so I'm like why would you set up this character that way it's so weird like that's so much reads as like she just got off the bus in New York City where she's never been before and she doesn't know how to cross the street or she doesn't know how to like navigate through the city. That's like a trope. See, like you see that shot and you're like, oh, I know what's happening.

But then they make it they twist it for no reason. It's so weird. Like the way that this character is written is just like, I don't even know if it's sexist. I know it makes no reason. It's so weird. Like the way that this character is written is just like, I don't even know if it's sexist. I know it makes no sense. I know, like, I guess it is sexist, but it's so nonsensical that you're just like, what were they trying to do even?

Like, she doesn't seem to know what her job is. Or like, she doesn't, I don't know what her job is, but she also doesn't know what her job is. Zac Efron comes to deliver her the mail every day but he says he's a bike courier not a mailman and then he says i've seen you every i've brought you a package every day this year and you've never looked at me which is like uh if zach efron delivered me a package every day i would like no you know and not look at anything else i would be thinking about him constantly and then she's invited to like this cool party this like big record label

party the record label she is currently working at true and then he's like oh wow that's a really cool party and she's like really what is it like, you work here. What are you talking about? It's it truly. I like that. And finally, I like that Zac Efron's character's name is Paul. Paul. There's a whole there's a whole thing where he sings that little song. He goes, give Paul a chance to show you what I can do. I was like, what if his character's name isn't Paul?

And he was just kind of guessing oh funny sorry this is a disaster i know well the record company that michelle pfeiffer works at is the same record company that is owned by josh dumell's character's mother and his storyline cherry jones his storyline is that he is trying to make his way to new york from connecticut where he like was just the witness of his friend's wedding or something on the morning of new year's eve sure yeah people have weddings then not absolutely made no sense like i was like who are? Okay, we just need to get him. We haven't even gotten to Jessica Biel's unvaccinated fetus. Unbelievable.

Is she an anti-vaxxer? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Big time anti-vaxxer. Very weird seeing her play a pregnant lady because you're like, this kid's in for a world of hurt. This is bad. Horrifying. Yeah, she's bad well josh jumel is trying to get to new york because he is giving a speech at an event

which turns out to be the party that zach efron is trying to go to and he's also considering meeting up with a woman who he met last new year's eve so that's his setup um on to zach efron's roommate ashton kutcher he hates new year's eve he's a grinch about new year's he rearranges the sign that says happy new year's eve and makes it say crappy new year's eve even though i'm like where did those letters come from where did the c and the r come from how'd you get that uh this is the worst written movie of all time more like crappy new year's eve ashton kutcher is so bad i mean he's so bad in really honestly most movies um but have you ever seen jobs steve jobs yes you know i've seen jobs there well there there are a few moments in the elevator where he's channeling jobs when he goes

i'm an illustrator you're like oh that's like he's prepping for jobs wow anyway sorry he doesn't want to do anything to celebrate new year's eve and he's on his way to like throw out a bunch of new year's decorations but oh no he gets stuck in his apartment building's elevator with Leah Michelle. Is that how you say her name? Leah Michelle, yeah. So we have in this storyline, we have Leah Michelle, a confirmed racist, and Ashton Kutcher, an early investor in Uber and the worst actor of all time. And we're supposed to be like, you should kiss. And I'm like, I need to get out of these scenes as quickly as possible

uh so leah michelle is on her way to be a backup singer for john bon jovi aka jensen bon jensen and he is playing the like televised time square ball drop concert like ryan seacrest hosted blah blah that whole thing he has a romantic history with katherine heigl who is catering the big ahern records after party yes with her co-workers russell peters and sophia vergara yes then uh we meet sarah michelle geller uh she wants to spend the evening with her daughter, Abigail Breslin. Sorry, you mean Sarah Jessica Parker? What did I say? Sarah Michelle Geller.

I keep doing that. And I literally name Sarah. It makes sense. Meanwhile, Sarah Jessica Parker. I even have that written down. And I still said the wrong thing. Okay. It took me a second to be like wait who is and then i couldn't remember

sarah michelle gellers no sarah jessica parker god damn okay we have to leave this in we have sarah jessica parker wants to spend the evening with her daughter abigail breslin but abigail is trying to go to times square with her friends and she wants to kiss her crush at midnight yeah she also lifts her shirt in the middle of a train station in their first scene because reasons I was horrified to see that it is so weird she is 15 in this movie and um why do that it it doesn't make sense for a character to do it doesn't make sense for gary marshall to tell a child to do it doesn't even make sense for her character she's not kind of like her character isn't like woohoo look at me like she is not an exhibitionist it here nothing about it it makes any sense tracks and

on top of that it's like y'all why is a child lifting up her shirt and exposing her bra in public and why is her mom not reacting to that yeah she her mom well her mom does say this isn't girls gone wild and she like runs over to like like dated reference she runs over to like cover her up and i've seen that does tragically pass the bechdel test it's a flawed metric it's a i'm just realizing that leah michelle's character uh was named elise um yeah i guess it's so weird it's like some characters uh get full names in this movie. Other characters don't. Like Zac Efron is only known as Paul. But Michelle Pfeiffer is constantly referred to as Ingrid Withers, like her full name all the time. Like why? Why? Which I feel like is like, hey, audience, in case you didn't know, this is a character who is far, far older than Zac Efron. See, she has an old person name, Ingrid Withers.

Whereas he is young and cool and therefore he is Paul. I don't know. Not sure. Rooting for them. So that's Sarah Jessica Parker, not Sarah Michelle Gellar. So that's her storyline with Abigail Breslin. Then we cut to a hospital where Robert De Niro is dying. Halle Berry is a nurse who tends to him.

His nurse. His nurse, who he thinks is his wife sometimes. Yes. His dying wish is to see the ball drop in times square one last time with his own eyes he wants to like go up on the roof but his doctor carrie and then i'm gonna have like a ewan mcgregor moment here because i don't know how to say his last name he's the guy from what could be princess bride princess bride guy i this okay this whole thing with robert de niro is so vague on the second watch i was like maybe i will figure out what is going on here it seems like he is in

the late stages of cancer he has stopped refusing or he had started to refuse treatment which does happen but then he's like i didn't do you think I came here because the hospital's good? No, I came here because I want to get on the roof of this hospital. And you're like, huh? And then he keeps saying it was like on my second watch, I was cracking up because his whole thing is he's like,

just take me up on the roof so I can die. And it's his whole thing. And then everyone's like, like why why do you want to why why and he's like i'm an asshole or he's like i've been i've made so many bad choices but he never says what any of those choices are right no one ever do we even did i miss something does he say what he did that was bad because he keeps being like i'm an ass i made so many mistakes and you're like were you like fracking like what were you doing that is so bad that you want to die today like it's just so weird um i don't think they specify my impression was

that he was just sort of like an absentee father and husband kind of person it's the way he was talking made it sound like he had done something really bad war crimes or something because if because like most i maybe this is a generalization but like most parents who worked a lot aren't like i need to die right now because i feel bad that i had to work like it sounds like he did something bad it sounds like he really fucked up and i kind of am curious as to like what he did because he's clearly wracked with guilt yes over something right but don't worry he'll get a redemption arc because it's a holiday season movie maybe he was like henry kissinger's assistant or something like i'm like something this man did something really bad otherwise he would not be

telling anyone who will listen that he was a bad person and needs to die right now yeah i don't know well something's going on meanwhile at the same hospital question question mark, Sarah Paulson. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think of that. I think it's the same one, but I'm not totally sure. Sarah Paulson and Jessica Biel are both extremely pregnant. And the thing with this hospital is that if you are the first person to give birth on New Year's Day, that family wins $25,000 from that hospital so and like huh is that is that a thing does that happen maybe i don't know um but they are both vying for this 25 grand and jessica beal is married to seth myers sure right there's also it's like a good like there's not one like i i would say i would argue that if i had to choose a pairing and none of the pairings have chemistry but if i had to be like who has the

most chemistry i would honestly probably say zach gaffron and michelle pfeiffer and that's not a compliment like they don't have a lot of chemistry but everyone else is just like they're just saying lines near each other like i feel like everyone's missing each other's eyeline and that whole i mean and i feel like yeah the my my two bottom couples are definitely seth meyers and jessica beale horrible and who oh wait it's i keep losing track of who is even where oh ashton kutcher and leah michelle yeah those are my bottom right i truly could not track the logic of that relationship and then sarah paulson is married to i know is married to till schweiger who i wrote down in my notes brilliantly but he looks like he should be the villain of a national treasure movie so oh he definitely does wow i did not know who this man is he's is that bad i have no idea who this he's a german actor who's in some american cinema but he's also in a lot of german films um yeah i i

recognize him but i don't i couldn't I like had to look up his name I he I didn't like his character his character was really aggressive he also like runs a charm school randomly like why do we learn what his job is it has nothing to do with anything I did not I didn't catch that in the first one and then the second one I was like why would you add this detail the yeah he runs a charm school which is like um i guess but also he's not very charming so i don't know like what my my i think one of my top worst moments of the movie is when so like it becomes this weird masculine race to who can get their wives water to break the fastest which is first of all a really gross premise for a vignette and so it's it's like till schweiger and seth meyers being

like my wife's gonna water break any minute and i'm making her eat anchovies and you're like this is so gross and then sarah paulson goes up to till schweiger and like apologizes to him because her water hasn't broken yet i'm like that's so bleak she's like i'm sorry honey i don't think we're gonna get the money because i couldn't induce labor on command you're like oh also sarah paulson did you feel i felt that sarah pa Paulson's pregnancy looked extra fake. Like way faker than Jessica Biel's. I don't know why.

But Sarah Paulson, it couldn't have been clearer to me that they just like velcroed something on her body. They just like stuffed a lumpy pillow up into her shirt. I'm like, why did she get a worse? Did they only have two? And then Jessica Biel's like, I get the good one. I don't know. Sarah Paulson's looked super fake. Well, I'm guessing like 50% of the budget went to paying Bon Jovi. did they only have two and then jessica beale's like i get the good one i don't know sarah paulson's looks super fake well i'm guessing like 50 of the budget went to paying bon jovi so

yeah i don't know john bon jensen i can't get over it yeah so yeah she plays poor this is like early i was trying to figure out is this um oh oh this wait okay i just learned something interesting oh please tell me sarah paulson and cherry jones were together from 2004 to 2009 meaning that they were recent exes at the time of this movie i don't know uh that has nothing to do with anything i just didn't know that i was trying to figure out if this if this out when Sarah Paulson was famous or if this was a movie that she did like right before she got famous because she got famous doing like American Horror Story and stuff. But I don't know when that was.

I feel like this was either right around then, the cusp of then or just like right before that. Right. It had to have been because it's like there's some people, it's really hard to, because like these movies are so in the moment that it's kind of some people are bigger stars than they used to be and then other people are presented as huge stars and now they're kind of not and so it's just very jarring like it's very much a time capsule of 2011 this is like peak leah michelle when now like everyone this was like glee yeah this is like peak glee so I think we were supposed

to be excited about that Katherine Heigl it's always weird to be like and now it's Katherine Heigl and everyone's like so what you know but another person who is who has ended up you know being exposed as as a villainous person oh no what did What did she do? She was accused of a bunch of, uh, similar to Leah Michelle, a bunch of, uh, racist microaggressions on the set of Grey's Anatomy,

much like Leah Michelle did on Glee. So, um, yeah, I guess my apologies to Seth Rogen. Fuck those people. Uh, yeah.

Okay. So that is the setup for all of these storylines. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and see what happens next. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017

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Oh, my God. I would love it. I have to watch Lost. Oh, you have to. No, I know. I'm so behind. Katherine Hahn can sing. Oh, I'm really. No, I know. I'm so behind. Katherine Hahn can sing. Oh, I'm really good at karaoke.

What's your song? Yeah, what's your song? Oh, I love a ballad. I felt Bjork's music. I just was like, who is this person? I got to hawk this slalom, Luge. I'm not going to hawk this slalom. Ige. Not hawk the slalom. I absolutely love it.

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of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcastss, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. All right. So here are the stories that unfold, I guess. The pregnant women start to try to induce labor. I hate this scene with Jessica Biel and the anchovy. I'm sorry. I just can't get over it.

It's so nasty nasty uh Bon Jovi meanwhile is trying to win back Katherine Heigl after bailing on their engagement last year which we learn in very expository dialogue it's so okay that makes me laugh so much because they're he John Bon Jensen is such a disaster in this like he keeps wandering around being like i don't understand why won't you give me another chance and then sofia vergar is like well what did you do he's like well i proposed to her and then i immediately disappeared last year and i'm like well of course she hates you what are you talking right he's like i don't understand he's like she also 50 years old i'm like how could you not understand she katherine heigl is like i didn't

even get to cook you one meal in our apartment together and it's like women be cooking like why would that be the thing she says at least she's a chef but yeah she's a she's like a fancy chef but even so like that whole like i mean talk about two people that have no chemistry, no chemistry. Jon Bon Jensen is struggling just to like seem like he is acting like he cannot act and he's trying so hard and he's just something about the way he enters scenes. I found very jarring and clear that he wasn't an actor because he just seems like he's wandering into like a kitchen and you're like, get what are you doing in here gross there's a similar phenomenon happening

with ludicrous where like suddenly he just like swiveled around in a chair and he's like hi there yeah the musicians in this movie are really clearly uh musicians and not actors yeah i mean lud Ludacris is being done a disservice. I mean, everyone's being done a disservice, but Ludacris is being done an extra disservice. But he is just kind of all of a sudden there. He's just

like, Hillary Swank is my best friend and she's afraid of heights. And as we know, I'm gonna... The fact that he has a cop pick Hillary Swank up and is like, I love my friend. This is how I help her. I have my coworker pick her up. And it's like, I hate this friendship.

This friendship is so weird. It makes no sense. OK. Meanwhile, Abigail Breslin sneaks out of her apartment. And that makes it sound like she has her own apartment she sneaks out of the apartment that she lives in with her mom whose name is either sarah michelle geller or sarah jessica parker well we don't know her character name and we're not gonna look it up we simply don't care she sneaks out and goes to time square and then her mom like tries to chase

after her and figure out where she's gone meanwhile josh dumell crashes his car and then has to hitch a ride in an rv with a pastor and either the pastor or the pastor's his wife horny dad making very gross comments the whole way um like then back in new york city uh robert de niro is like expressing all of his regrets about not being a better person it's all very vague we're like what did you do i think he like he has to be like working high up in the government and like i was gonna say like what did he do was he like the president of some... It could be Wall Street, maybe. They're in New York.

I just feel like Robert De Niro characters don't feel guilty over nothing. He plays very hardened characters. Right. This character did something really bad. Maybe he's playing the same character that he did in Taxi Driver. And his character in Taxi Driver does some very fucked up stuff.

That's the canon I'm going with. He's on his deathbed being like, I just want to see the ball drop with my daughter, Hillary Swank. So weird. The twist. Oh, yeah. By the way, spoiler alert. The twist, Hillary Swank is his daughter. Yeah.

What? Does he die at the end he does i'm pretty sure he does yeah because she's like holding his like personal items as if he passed away that is so confusing because on the first i realized at the end of my first viewing i'm like i don't even know if he's he lived at the end no i think he dies and then it's like the stroke of midnight or something i don't know i'm like did he die on the roof because that was the other thing i'm like hallie berry is about to lose her job she lets hillary swank like abduct her dying father to bring him to the roof yeah and then hallie berry's like i know it's all good she's like i'm too busy i'm skyping with

common who's overseas in the military with common who was nominated for an award for for that yeah i saw that um but so hallie berry is like whatever but then yeah it seems like maybe he possibly died on the roof and then she had to like what bring her father's corpse down the alley back down right and then just be like like okay first of all hillary smite could be accused of a murder if there is not if there is not good video surveillance of like what exactly happened she could be in a lot of trouble true uh but instead she's just pulled into a room full of infants and they're like look at these do you feel better and she's like yes right it's like her dad died but now she's looking at

newborns it's the circle of life some people die some people are born wow i yeah i and also i felt like there was just a weird element of and maybe i'm like overthinking a little bit but i'm like oh nothing cheers up a woman like a room full of babies because women be wanting babies really bad there are so many like stereotypes and we'll talk about them but like women stereotyped in a particular way happens countless times in this movie yeah um okay so what happens next um zach efron he is taking michelle pfeiffer all around the city to check off her New Year's resolutions. And then Ryan Seacrest as himself. Funny.

He's one of the few celebrities in the movie who is actually playing himself. It's so funny. So like half of this cast has been canceled since this movie came out. It's like astounding. And then on top of that, Michael Bloomberg comes out and you're like, shocking. So Ryan Seacrest is like, all right, everyone, it's 6 p.m. in Times Square. Let's raise the ball so that we can drop it at midnight. So they go to raise it.

But oh, no, it's broken and it won't go up. So then Hilary Swank has to call someone named kaminsky who turns out to be the bodyguard elizondo diaries and you're like oh i want so much better for him than this caricature of a of a character yeah so hector elizondo shows up to fix the ball and then hillary swank gives this like what is meant to be a moving speech that is televised across the entire nation for some reason everyone sees it in time square time square is silent captivated by hillary swank's speech i also let there's so many like 2011 details of this movie like in in times square specifically where there's like a

huge poster for uh sherlock holmes trunk of secrets or whatever the fuck the second movie was starring robert downey oh sorry sherlock holmes a game of shadows i was gonna call it book of shadows but i think that might be the national treasure yeah it is a game of shadows trunk of secrets it was all it's all the same but they're they're like heavily advertising there's an extremely sherlock holmesy movie is actually what it's called disaster uh okay so everyone sees this speech meanwhile leah michelle and ashton kutcher have started to bond they're about to kiss but then the elevator starts back up again and she has to leave to go sing for jensen bun jensen also he's so rude to her he she's she like he's like what are you a groupie i'm like uh yeah have

some respect sir she's john bond jensen's backup singer like this is the worst movie of all time and he's like i'm an illustrator like oh i did not want them to kiss i was thrilled they didn't get to kiss but then what they do later i know well and there's also like it goes without like you can tell by looking at the poster and the year this movie came out that there's just like no consent in the entire just people just like launching each other at each other's heads it's gross to look at i have a list of all of like the sexual harassment and sexual misconduct that happens in the movie it's horrifying genuinely nasty yeah okay so meanwhile zach efron is really close to getting his tickets to this exclusive party. But then Michelle Pfeiffer overhears him calling her pathetic because he's screaming loudly in an open room with like three feet away from her.

He's like, hello, I'm with this lady. She's fucking pathetic. And then she's like, bye. She's like, I'm right here. I heard that. And he's like,'s like oh my god i'm so sorry you're like what are you doing what do you think was gonna happen so she's like i don't want to do this anymore and he thinks that he blew it but then he's like i'm so sorry i'm gonna make this up to you and i'm gonna amaze you and all of your resolutions are gonna come true and blah blah

blah all this stuff okay the scene where he you know the one I'm talking about. The scene where all of a sudden Michelle Pfeiffer is in like Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark. Like they're just flinging her around the stage. It was so scary and it like made my eyes hurt to look at. Yeah. It was so like, however that was edited. I don't know if Michelle Pfeiffer was like, I'm not actually going to do that. You have to like green screen it was so like however that was edited i don't know if michelle pfeiffer was like um i'm not actually gonna do that you have to like green screen it or something but it like

hurt my eyes to look at and it hurt my head to think about like why are they doing this why why but it was also like it just felt so because her thing was like i need to be amazed that was like her resolution her list is fucking ridiculous it's so basic it's like such basic white woman shit and i'm just like are you it makes just that character is so and also i feel like there is like some ageism at play and the way that character is written because they're like i feel like there is this whole element of like look at this like you are supposed to think that she's pathetic a little bit oh yeah but then we're like oh wait paul thinks she's cool so i guess she's cool like you're just like he validates her and that whole i mean none of these stories make sense but she's just like call she rents paul for a day which is not how bike couriers work uh you can't just rent a bike courier for a day

but also he is already doing the work of a mailman so we don't even know what's going on he also has two bikes he has a regular bicycle and then he also has like a moped scooter thing this is why I'm very glad I watched this movie twice because I'm like wow he uh seems to have a lot of money for someone who says that he does not have any money because he has a gigantic apartment that he shares with Ashton Kutcher they live in like a loft or something multiple bikes like he's just like he's kind of like living he's he must be from money or something well did you notice this whenever he goes into like the record company to deliver the initial package to michelle pfeiffer he's just like seen going into their like kitchen and like other spaces like rifling through stuff and

stealing it he like steals a bunch of cds and he like steals a bunch of like coffee creamer and stuff i don't know what this guy's deal is at all i think we're supposed to think he's like scrappy in his 20s and like doesn't have a lot of money but like that doesn't make sense and also it's like that sort of like i don't know i it seems like gary marshall wants you to believe like oh new york it's magical and like you know zach but i don't understand how paul has all these connections they're like he's like i'm a bike courier therefore i can rig you up in the theater whenever i want you're just like no you can't or like when he goes he opened that really jarring shot where he opens up a storage container and there's a luxury spa inside and he's like here you here we are in bali and you're like meanwhile

michelle pfeiffer is like she's like oh we're in brooklyn the scariest neighborhood i hate it here it's so dangerous brooklyn and it's just like shut up that whole her list it was really funny too i was like wow should we try to pull that list off next year 2021 i'm like there it is my 2021 list save a life like ridiculous it's ludicrous it's it's officer ludicrous it's it's lieutenant ludicrous to you okay so then we find out that hillary swank is like planning to go meet up with someone that night. And it's set up for us to think that Hilary Swank and Josh Duhamel are like meeting up with each other. But then it's not because Hilary goes and meets up with her dad, Robert De Niro, and she takes him up to the roof. Where he immediately dies where he dies

then uh the ball drops wow happy new year Jessica Biel's in labor yes the the the the pregnant women are giving birth Lea Michele is singing Auld Lang Syne um Zac Efron shows up and kisses Michelle Pfeiffer surprise kisses her mind you oh launches himself at her the god some of the grossest no consent like surprise kisses in all the film canon here i also think it's worth mentioning ashton kutcher shows up yes to be like good luck liam michelle i'm your like loser boyfriend now surprise and she's like okay but he brings this thing that i only recently learned about from a youtube channel i watch but like he brings her this really weird dated item that's like a balance bracelet that are like do you remember those

they like were a thing 10 years ago i didn't know they existed existed. It looks like a Livestrong band but there's like a little piece of stone in it and it's some it was some bullshit scam that they did in the early 2010s where they're like, oh you balance better when you wear this $30 bracelet that's just plastic. I know he references that but I thought he was just making a joke

where it's like, haha, if you don't have this cheap rubber bracelet it might offset your balance i didn't realize that that was a real thing like a balance bracelet tragically that was a real thing yeah i mean paging paging officer ludicrous once again excuse me officer what's going on god and i mean they're obviously like fuck the NYPD. But then at the end where the New York cops just start kissing people, you're like, what the fuck is going on in this? What's happening? Well, here comes another surprise kiss.

Abigail Breslin goes and like finally finds her crush in Times Square. Jake T. Austin, a Disney star or a Nickelodeon star. Yeah, I have no idea who that was. He was on Wizards of Waverly place okay yeah um but this other girl grabs him and surprise kisses him and then abigail breslin sees this and she gets sad but then the boy is like wait a minute no i got surprise kiss you have it all wrong i want to kiss you and then he surprise kisses abigail breslin and she's wearing fingerless gloves for all of this oh i didn't even notice that oh 2011 she is wearing fingerless gloves oh there another just quick this is uh seth meyers and jessica beale comment but one of one of my one of the most

baffling line exchanges in the movie for me was she's doing yoga to induce labor. She just wants $25,000, even though they seem to have a ton of money. Right. To pay off Seth Meyers' student loan debt. Oh, my gosh. So, yes. So this is the scene where you find out that he's a horse doctor. He walks in.

He's like, why are you doing yoga? Stop. And then she goes okay and then she says you are going to be a great vet someday griff and then he says thanks and then he makes a long joke about like well what if i married a horse that i'd be married to a horse but i'm not i'm married to you anyways why aren't you in labor and i was like what the fuck is going on here this is he's a horse doctor he has to pay off his horse doctor so in that storyline of the two pregnant women we learn what both of their husbands do for a living but we don't learn anything about the two women and the husband's

jobs are ridiculous it's a horse doctor and charm school owner like they're we we i i'm trying to think i'm like we know what hillary swank does we know what katherine heigl does i would argue we don't know what michelle pfeiffer does michelle pfeiffer doesn't even know what she does that's why she quit i think she's the assistant to john lithgow but it's so vague that it really could be anything we sort of know what Sarah Jess I almost said it again Sarah Jessica Parker does because she's like a costume designer the Rockettes right iconic only in New York I guess we know what some of the characters it's just so like but but yeah it it seems pointed that you don't know what the two very pregnant people do for a living it's almost

as if to say like well they're mothers so they wouldn't have a career pregnancy is a full-time job uh so weird but yeah he needs to pay off his oh also there's that matthew broderick cameo oh my gosh first of all is that just like a deal that him and sarah jessica parker have like you get both of us and they're like well we don't want matthew broderick and he's like well write me a scene anyways also his name is mr buehlerton oh ferris buehlerton's day off maybe what a what a mess what a mess um also pretty cool that sarah Sarah Jessica Parker is like, yeah, my husband needs to be in the movie, but I'm not going to kiss him. I'm going to kiss Josh Duhamel.

Duhamel. Yeah. Okay. So that brings us to Josh Duhamel, Duhamel, whatever, goes to the spot where he was supposed to meet this like mystery woman who he met last year. It seems like she's not going to show up, but then she does. And surprise, it's Sarah Jessica Parker. And we're like, were we supposed to care about this at all no hard to know um and then they kiss and we're like woo i guess that's the end of the movie is josh is it josh du mal's

voiceover at the end of the movie because at the end it was like i believe so that was confusing to me i did not catch that the first time. I was like, and then at the end, someone just starts talking. I have no idea. I wasn't sure if it was him or maybe De Niro's ghost. No, it was Ludacris' ghost. Oh, that. Yeah. So, oh, my God.

When they literally, I mean, the way that all these storylines end are so sloppy. But when Hilary Swank leaves to go see, she's like bye ludacris it's been fun being in this movie with you and then he's like my little rugrats and you're like oh stop don't don't weird weird maybe they are his then i was like what if those are his actual kids and they did one of those things it wasn't yeah yeah yeah who knows um but i think that's the end of the movie then there's like this credit montage of mostly zach Efron dancing. And then there's also bloopers. But then that's it. over the actor that they were talking about so it was i was like dying it kept cutting like they credit like it was shots of zach efron when they for ludacris it was shots of zach efron when they were crediting leah michelle it was a shot of zach efron when they were crediting john juan jovi

like they put michelle pfeiffer over sarah jessica parker it was like it may have that's like editing 101 and they fucked it up back to Zac Efron for everyone except for Zac Efron and that was Jon Bon Jovi like this is so weird oh my god well that's the story let's take a quick break and we'll come back to discuss. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhearts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks.

Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, this is Matt Rogers. And Bowen Yang. We've got some exciting news for you. You know we're always bringing you the best guests, right?

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that's as hilarious as it is insightful. Tune in for all the laughs, the stories, and of course, the culture. I feel some Sandra Bernhardt in you. Oh, my God. I would love it.

I have to watch Lost. Oh, you have to. No, I know. I'm so behind. Katherine Hanken's thing. Oh, I'm really good at karaoke. What's your song? Yeah, what's your song?

Oh, I love a ballad. I felt Bjork's music. I just was like, who is this person? I got to hawk this slalom, Lugie. Not hawk the slalom. I absolutely love it. It was somehow Shakespearean when you said it. It was somehow gorgeous.

Yee, my slok, you hollum. Listen to Las Culturistas on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed?

Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes! Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do. Like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote.

What is it like you miss 100 percent of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're back. I just wanted to shout out the blooper reel one more time. Oh, please. Did you have a favorite blooper? I mean just because i love zach efron so much i was like very endeared by i think he has one or two little bloopers that get snuck in there he seems like he was really hamming it up he really was oh he has yeah he has one where he calls uh michelle pfeiffer the wrong

character name uh and then he like has and then there's another one where he's talking into the phone to Ashton Kutcher, and then he does his line wrong, and then he kind of swivels around. He's like, oh, shoot. And he goes, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So I liked those just because I love Zac Efron. My favorite one was when Halle Berry, the Halle Berry Carrie-

Carrie Ewan McGregor? Halle Berry Halle Berry Carrie they're they're walking down McGregor so they're like they're walking down the hallway

and Halle Berry is saying he needs to be taken to hospice care but she can't stop laughing which is

maybe made sense if you were there it seems like you had to be there because it doesn't make

sense to me why she's like he has to go to hospice care like you're just like hallie berry read the room yeah you almost you like robert de niro has regrets and he's dying right they should have included the context or for why she was laughing but they don't and then it just seems really insensitive it makes her seem really mean like very strange uh oh and then of course jessica biel gives birth to a deep a widescreen dvd and a blu-ray of valentine's day um because this all takes place in the same expanded universe um hilarious i also wanted to shout out some of the cameo performances that we

haven't already shouted out um where was melana i never ended up finding her i was confused by the two and i think it's partly because i don't really know what alissa milano looks like and i like so i didn't recognize her i'm so i'm suffering from the same thing but um she was one of the nurses in robert de niro i almost called him robert downey jr oh my god book of trunk of shadows she's a nurse in robert de niro's story there's also um is it yardley smith you're lee smith oh wait bart simpson yes where is where is bart or sorry uh lisa simpson she's in the um rv that josh dumell is in uh let's see if i fast forward at the josh dumel scenes for self-care so i don't know she plays a very kind of tropey character where she's just like in love with the idea of love and she's just like oh my gosh tell me about this love story between

you and this woman i love love it sounds like season two of you um there's also nat wolf from the naked brothers band is credited as waiter which makes no sense to me because he would have been like 16 oh but he plays i guess he plays a waiter i don't know who that is so i i can't that's okay uh carla uh oh god i don't think i have ever tried to say her last name out loud since the Spy Kids episode, but Carla Gugino? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A mom from Spy Kids, iconically, amongst other roles, is in it briefly? Briefly. She plays like a hippie doctor almost. She's like an MD, but she also like does all this like kind of holistic medicine approach she's the one who pulls the dvds out of uh jessica beale's vagina hilarious joke we all love it um there's also penny marshall is at the like record company party

and we see her being very mean to a service industry person so that's uh cool um let's see oh jim belushi plays the superintendent of the building with the broken elevator yeah and you can just tell like that whole thing that had to be just a whole day of ashton kutcher kissing jim belushi's ass in a real and like in a way that must have been really embarrassing to watch he's like oh my god i love your work so much so influential to me and you're just like ashton kutcher shut the fuck up challenge calm down yeah um yeah there's probably some other people i'm forgetting about but those those are all the famous people and of course mayor michael bloomberg and and mike bloomberg as himself disaster you hate to see it you do okay where should we start well i feel like the the one of the more egregious elements of this movie and movies of this genre

are how they treat non-white characters yes uh only white characters get meaningful love arcs in this movie i would say meaningful storylines at all i mean i guess so but it's like are any of these stories meaningful i don't know like i guess complete storylines like um yeah because we have a few people of color in this movie but they're all in supporting roles mostly to support a rich white lady in dating someone. Yeah. Well, I guess so. So Russell Peters and Sofia Vergara work with Katherine Heigl and they only exist to see what's going on with her and John Bond Jensen. Right.

They don't get any meaningful storyline out of that. And then there's also Luda, Officer Luda, who is a friend of Hilary Swank and then is like, okay, like he doesn't need to be there. It's just weird that he's there at all. Right. I think we said this earlier, like he could be written out of every scene and the movie would be kind of no different. He could also be a ghost in the movie would be no different so that's not good writing for one of your only black actors in the movie and then there's Halle Berry in common where Halle Berry's story compared to all of like the white couples is so

depressing like she doesn't get to go anywhere she doesn't get to do anything she has to just like listen to Robert De Niro be like I've made so many vague mistakes and then well that's the thing I wouldn't classify her storyline as being about her she to me is in another supporting role supporting a white character and then they do try to characterize her a little bit more right but that scene is like a minute maybe it's an after i think it's like fully an afterthought totally an afterthought and the thing that they do to like try to characterize her further is just like introduce her in the context of like the romantic hetero relationship that she's in so it's like okay this isn't interesting or i mean it could be

interesting but like nothing about it had been set up or properly developed and it just feels like very random and tacked on like i think what's what is more interesting about hallie berry's character is that she is like does not care about medical misconduct. That's pretty interesting. She's like, kill Robert De Niro, CFI care. Like that's a better movie. That's a better plot line. But yeah, it's like even they give her a partner at the last second for no ostensible reason. But even so, it's like you just see like a white couple

mashing their face together in Times Square, white couple mashing their face together in Times Square. white couple mashing their face together in Times Square. And then Halle Berry has to hang out with Robert De Niro calling himself an asshole for two hours. And then at the end, they're like, and Halle Berry has a husband who's serving overseas and she's sad. And you're like, fuck you. Like, come on.

They also make her like get changed in like a fucking broom closet and then she has to like to zoom to zoom in another room in the hospital like why doesn't she go home like why don't we see where she lives like so it's it's like just everything you you think it would be in terms of how this movie writes and treats their non-white characters. It's aggressively cis hetero. Yeah. There's also with the two characters who are like in the employ of Katherine Heigl. We have Sofia Vergara who plays a character that she she often plays which is a non-native speaker of

english therefore she gets some like words and phrases wrong and that's always played as a joke right i mean that's like the story of modern family isn't it i don't know yeah that is very in fact i was like is she just playing that same character because could be it's the exact same thing a lot of jokes are made at the expense of her not having the most fluent grasp of english kind of thing and she's also extreme like over sexualized in a way that she very often is so much well which happens uh very frequently like it it's just it's it's really frustrating like she a lot is made of her body which is the same deal in modern family and she's just very like ditzy and over sexualized in a way that isn't just sexist it is also like I mean we've talked about this in past episodes before our conversation in

Aladdin kind of comes to mind of how black and brown women are so often over sexualized because tropes for sure and that is like kind of no exception in in this movie for sofia vergara yes and then the other character who works for katherine heigl is russell peters's character and he is made to do an accent which he does not have in real life nope he is canadian he's canadian he has a canadian accent um this is something that a lot of south asian actors in particular have to deal with asian actors in general where they are made to do an accent that they do not actually have usually for like comedic effect yeah and it's almost always racist we just we had a conversation about this on the matron recently with the character i don't remember the name of the character oh sahil from princess christmas prince 2 yes and this has been

written about extensively it's like a i i don't know how much that conversation was being had in a public way in late 2011. But at this point, I mean, it's so, so, so egregious and absolutely not on the actor at all, because so many parts are written to these very racist stereotypes. And then the actor only gets so many offers for so many types of parts. Like it's just such an infuriating cycle. Cal Penn had a really insightful and frustrating Twitter thread about that that we will link in the description about the types of characters that he's been sent. And this seems like this character,

wait, what is Russell Peters character even called in this movie? Sunil. This character seems very in the South Asian stereotypes that like actors of South Asian descent who do not have accents are constantly asked to play. Yeah. I would also recommend the documentary the problem with apu uh the comedian hari kondabolu made uh which dives into this quite a bit so it's

on hbo max for anyone who wants to watch it it's good very insightful um yeah so in general like we can just basically sum up this movie as being like obscenely white the only main storylines are given to white people the only people of color are there to support the white characters who have more significant narrative arcs just like a very neg a lot of negative stereotypes are at play with um i feel like sofia vergara and uh russell peters in particular although it doesn't help that uh officer luda is with the nypd i don't love that i also the the shot a truly shocking at the end where new york cops are just making out with random people. I hated to see it. Well, let's talk about the sexual misconduct

that takes place within these storylines. So there are many examples across many different storylines of characters harassing other characters. Or for example, Zac Efron, the moment he is introduced on screen, Street harasses like six different women. Yeah.

Within the first 10 seconds of seeing his character. Russell Peters to Sofia Vergara, which plays into the over sexualization of her character. He's like taking photos of her. She's kind of very excitedly jumping up and down. And he says, keep jumping. You're very sexy bouncy bouncy bouncy Catherine Heigl also later sexualizes her again Catherine Heigl is is Sofia Vergara's boss in this movie so like to her subordinate she's like commenting on the size of her breasts in a

really inappropriate way yeah Russell Peters also proceeds to make several inappropriate comments to various women throughout the movie about like who they're going to kiss at midnight and other sexually suggestive things we already talked about the whatever choice if i don't if this was in the script or if this is something gary marshall decided should happen or what exactly but a choice was made for abigail breslin who was a teenager she's 15 yeah a child for her to lift up her shirt and flash her bra in a crowded public space for some reason that's in the movie not just gross but also nonsense absolute nonsense um jim belushi is like hey ashton kutcher you totally fucked leah michelle

in the elevator right right right right like it that scene goes on for so long of jim belushi being like you had sex with that hot lady wink wink right and you're like please stop talking and it's like is this i'm sorry screenwriter uh catherine what's her name fugate fugate something is this your idea of comedy which goes to show that uh even women can be uh terrible sexist screenwriters woohoo yay she also wrote valentine's day so the end new year's eve is the last like major movie that she has written so you know yipes well good riddance sorry and then there's also and we touched on some of these already but there's also a number of uh surprise kisses where ashton kutcher there's constant they're constantly happening uh ashton Kutcher surprise kisses Lea Michele. Zac Efron surprise kisses Michelle Pfeiffer.

There's the several surprise kisses in the Abigail Breslin storyline. There's extras surprise kissing other extras. It's just constantly happening. It's gross. And it is also, in addition to this movie being horrendously racist, it is also the most hetero movie I've ever seen. Which is frustrating because they have, I mean, it's like they're, I don't know. I'm like, why?

It's like you have, first of all, two queer icons in this movie. And it's like, come on, Sarah Paulson. Why do I have to, like, anyways. Wait, who's the other one? Cherry Jones. Oh, wait, who's Cherry, who's the other one? Cherry Jones. Oh, wait, who's Cherry? I don't know who Cherry Jones is. Cherry Jones is the owner of the record label, and she and Sarah Paulson used to date,

but by the time this movie is shot, they're not dating, so you're like, what's happening, drama? They don't appear in a scene together, much like Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick, even though they are married. Well, I don't appear in a scene together much like uh sarah jessica parker and matthew broderick even though they are married well i don't know shrug shrug um but yeah there are several several of the stories revolve around a romance of some kind between katherine heigl and bon jovi ashton kutcher and leah michelle abigail breslin and her crush Seth, Sarah Jessica Parker and Josh Duhamel.

And it's really only Hilary Swank who doesn't have a romantic storyline. Yeah. Kind of. It's like Hilary Swank and then Ludacris is already married. Yeah. You find out Halle Berry's been married the whole time at the end. To common. The two pregnant women are in hetero relationships.

So everyone is this is a New york city where only straight people live and mostly white people live and we all love cops and we need to have a baby yesterday like it's messy um yeah i think that there we've sort of touched on this but i think that there's definitely some ageism at play with how Michelle Pfeiffer's character is treated. Didn't like that. I'm all for like, you know, like I always think it's like a cool representation when there's an age gap relationship and the woman is the older party that I feel like a lot of them. But this is not the storyline that you're like cool there it is um that's not

this is not it uh because these two characters make no sense together it doesn't like the huh what are they gonna do like it doesn't make any sense but i guess they're in love. And so that's amazing. Seth Meyers is a horse doctor. What else? What else is going on here? Yeah, it is kind of like, it was jarring to go down the list of main actors and realize how many have been canceled, rightfully so, since this movie was released.

Oh, and then there's just like the good old fashion sexism in the movie there's for example um when sophia vergara tells john bond jensen uh that's what women like we like to talk oh yeah um some some classic some classic stuff there's john bond jensen's being baffled that katherine heigl wouldn't just give up her career to go on the road with him and he's like why won't you do what's the big deal like right women's careers are less valuable yeah at the very least she challenged i was like wow i'm surprised this movie even had her challenge that because she says something akin to like i have my own life I have

my own career I'm not going to drop it for you again I'm going to focus on my own stuff and I love my career and then because of that he decides to cancel his tour so I'm like okay I didn't expect for any of that to happen that's like which leads to one of the worst setups of the entire movie oh god like where they're kissing they're kiss kiss kissing in time square well apparently john bon jensen is supposed to be performing at midnight in time square and then katherine heichel's like wait if you're not performing then who is and he's like oh yeah i forgot to perform at midnight in time square on new year's eve and then leah michelle has to come in and do do her little thing i can't stand leah michelle i find her so annoying she's a bad person there's another

really troubling thing about the katherine heigl jensen bon jovi storyline to me and it is that you find out toward the end bon jovi basically demanded that she get hired to cater this party yeah which first of all talk about like giving a woman imposter syndrome because she's she thought she got hired based on her merit and instead she got hired because bon jovi threatened to not do the performance unless she catered the after party that's so fucked up he tries to save it by being like i know you would have had a lot of offers but i just you're like yeah okay and then the other very troubling thing about this is that she was actively trying to avoid him yes after he betrayed her he was yes and he puts her in a situation where she is like forced to be

near him and come in contact with him which is not dissimilar from stalking yeah and i totally agree so he's treated as so cute for doing all of this, too. Like, we're supposed, we as an audience are trained to be like, oh, my God, I love how he keeps showing up. I love how he keeps, you know, like, putting her, like, finances to revolve around this person that she doesn't want to be around for a very good reason. And then that scene where he's sitting on the hood of the car and he talks to Hilary Swank and he's like, oh, I'm so upset. He's acting like he's 20 years old. He's like, boy meets girl. Boy screws it up.

It's like, sir, you are 50 years old. You need to grow up. And then Hilary Swank says, you rock. Yeah. And then you go, oh. But yeah. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Like you said, audiences have been trained to think that what he did was romantic and not very troubling and that's also how katherine heigl reacts she's like wow you did that for me you stalked me and gave me imposter syndrome that's so romantic oh my god i can't believe a famous guy made time to harass me all year and that's exactly what he does he basically just wears her down throughout the whole movie. Yeah, he keeps just walking into a kitchen. It made me really stressed out.

I was like, put on a mask, put on some gloves. Like, what are you doing? Get away from the food. You're dirty. As much as I detest Ashton Kutcher, Lea Michele, that whole thing, there's a lot of sexism at play there as well. He is like Mr.

Negging over and over. He calls her a groupie and then only to reveal that he is like a freelance graphic designer who sucks at drawing. That fucking thing they laser jetted off and Ashton Kutcher's like, look at my art.

You're like, yeah, right. and then she says it's bad but his whole thing is like he is just negging her and then she starts to fall in love with him yep i don't it's just like garbage nonsense they're like we only have seven minutes to do this entire arc and it's just and like two minutes of it are spent negging leah michelle's character yeah i mean she negs him back so i guess there's that girl power but also not how not a good basis for a relationship i didn't know for that that like the buscemi test uh if you apply the buscemi test to that uh that relationship in particular of just like if steve if you're sitting in an elevator with steve buscemi being like what are you some kind of groupie

oh so do you want to kiss me or what like it just does not it does not play uh it does not work and it's bad um how about how about this uh abigail breslin says to her mom sarah jessica parker quote you're clingy and mean and it's because you don't have a man in your life and then sarah jessica parker rather than responding meaningfully to this or challenging this at all she nods in agreement she's like it is that it is because of that you got me that's why i'm trying to prevent you from going to time square a really dangerous area on a really dangerous day as a minor it's because i need to date josh dumell really bad um also we didn't mention this her brother sarah jessica parker's brother is zach efron that does that ever become relevant no no no it does not do we do they ever even appear in the same shot i don't

think that they do no they talk on the phone. They've never met. And, okay, I know that age gaps between siblings is a thing. I know that it happens. Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Sarah Jessica Parker is 22 years older than Zac Efron. It's not impossible that they would be siblings. Maybe they're step siblings.

I did find it to be sort of a weird choice, though. Maybe they're step siblings. I don't to be sort of a weird choice though maybe they're step siblings i don't know oh could be half siblings maybe maybe they didn't even know who was gonna end up like it's so much of this movie must have come together in in editing like who god i didn't even think of that it also what a meaningless thing to do like that never comes back because he's like he's like well maybe like if my niece calls me and says like her cool uncle like but then that never happens so well he does i think what happened there is that abigail breslin did call him off screen and for some reason told him where she would be and that then he relays that information to sarah jessica parker but like she could have just like she could have found out another way where her daughter was you know she could have she could have texted piper's mom who is another

very tropey like woman character of like the overbearing mother hides in the bushes yeah she could have just texted piper's mom and been like where are our kids and piper's mom would be like they're right here because i'm stalking them also the just how that um abigail breslin and her crush seth how that plays out towards the end like we already went over like the surprise kissiness of it all. But the way that they have that, even the way that Seth, question mark, talks to her is really weird. Where she's mad at him because he got surprise kissed, which is not his fault. But this movie says it is his fault. And he says, she grabbed me and she totally stole it from me.

And then she's like like i don't believe you and then he surprised kisses her i just wanted to go through that dialogue because i'm like the dialogue does somehow make a bad situation worse because it just but i the line i did like from him that was so clear i'm like oh a a grown person wrote this a grown person who's never met a teenager before wrote this line was when abigail breslin's like i'm sorry seth i can't come to hang out and he's like but hayley half of the history class is going and you're like yeah teenagers do be saying that all the time just like music executives are always saying you can't quit it's grammy season i have another really fun example of a person who hasn't been a teenager in many decades and who has never talked to a teenager

since yeah so toward the beginning of the movie abigail breslin is like with her group of like girlfriends and they're like oh my god are you gonna kiss Seth tonight? Do you even know how to kiss? And then one teenager says, they have a video on the internet that shows you how to kiss. And then another teenager chimes in and says, they have two, one for regular kissing and one for passionate kissing. And I'm like, are you trying to talk about YouTube?

Are we doing like a helicopter around the word YouTube and we can't get there? You know, the two YouTube videos about how to kiss. Two YouTube videos about kissing. Yeah, I had that down as well. I was like, oh, teenagers, they're always watching those two YouTube videos about kissing. Oh, here's another example of the writer not knowing anything about comedy writing. Oh, cool.

Josh Duhamel, whose character's name is apparently Sam, we guess, is at the exclusive after party, and he gets surrounded by a couple women who are throwing themselves at him, and he almost looks to camera and giggles, and he says, I'm a Sam-witch, because his name is Sam, and he's sandwiched by a couple women and that's a joke there that is what is meant to be a joke the only good comedy in this movie is

when they put michelle pfeiffer in the spider-man turn off the dark um like acrobat thing i did laugh when jessica beale says my water broke and seth meyer says all of it i did laugh at that that whole scene is just baffling he's like i'm a horse doctor your water broke what's happening like i i like the scene where sofia vergara and katherine heigl throw eggs again the most feminist scene in the movie they throw eggs and um you know we have to respect the symbolism it's an allegory it's a bad scene but they are throwing eggs for the whole thing yeah Hilary Swank saying you rock that's exciting that's great well to jump back to the uh the pregnancy storyline really quickly a couple

things on that oh when they when they bump the when they push their pregnancies against each other yes that's that's one thing that definitely happened and so basically the women and this is more jessica beal antagonizing sarah paulson but sarah paulson seems very chill like she seems like she's being kind of like bullied by her charm school husband to participate in all this because she keeps being like i don't really care like i just want to give birth to a healthy child which like fair there's that whole scene where her husband sarah paulson's husband she's like wow we're gonna win 25 grand and he's like no it's much less than that that's not the amount you're

wrong you're wrong you're wrong and we understand that it's because like he doesn't want to like reveal to this other pregnant couple that he's negging his nine month pregnant wife yeah every scene they appear in to the point where she feels like she needs to apologize to him for her water not breaking when he wanted it to yes and that is awful um but basically because these two husbands are very competitive about winning this money which they don't seem to need because they seem to be doing fine financially there's always going to be sick horses right as we say in the biz um but they're kind of competitive rubs off on to their wives and then the women get pitted against each other in this pregnancy storyline and one thing that i was like okay again here's

the movie doing the bare minimum. The two women do apologize to each other toward the end. But it just it was such a flimsy story to begin with that I just hated like seeing the women pitted against each other and then like, having to apologize for it because their husbands are like being just toxic and overly competitive and like, almost having like a dick measuring contest about whose wife can go in labor first kind of thing yeah it just fucking sucked like and then at the end we're like seth meyers and jessica bieler like oh wait a second we're rich we don't need 25 000 i guess we'll just give it to sarah paulson and the charm school guy

because they already have children? Which is another thing that they reveal that you're like, oh, I guess that would have, it would have been helpful to know that earlier. It would have made the thing with the money make more sense. I don't know. But I'm like, you own a Charmed School. Is the Charmed School failing?

Like, what is happening? I don't know. Right? I don't know. This movie is so bad. It's so horrible. There's another really poorly done joke where the spy kids mom doctor forget her name um she says to seth myers because seth myers is

like trying to negotiate like a split of the winnings with her yeah and she's not having it and she says you're dangerously close to a rectal exam and he's like no don't give me a rectal exam because haha what's more humiliating than someone doing something to a man's like anus it's exhausting I hate this movie so much. It's bad. It makes me sad to watch. I hate how carefully I had to pay attention to it in order to know what was happening. I don't know.

Maybe it was worth it to see Michelle Pfeiffer flung around a stage. Maybe it wasn't. Who am I to say? It's definitely one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's just so expensive. It made me want

to watch. Every time Sherlock Holmes' Trunk of Shadows popped up, I'm like, I would rather be watching this and I know that movie is bad. I've seen it. It's simply a disaster it's so bad here I made a short list of the people whose talents were wasted in this movie because I think some of the casting was like yeah I don't really respect you as an actor and I think you were well

cast for this movie but there are some people who are like you just feel so bad that they're in this movie for me Halle Berry's at the top of the list sarah paulson hillary swank hector ilizondo and i'll throw zach efron in there i don't care oh and michelle pfeiffer and i guess i mean robert de niro robert de niro he's in a lot of shitty movies but he's a talented actor you do get the feeling that Gary Marshall bullied him into doing this like someone owed someone a favor there maybe like I don't know because Gary Marshall like he directed Princess Diaries which is probably why Hector Elizondo's there he directed pretty woman he directed beaches he directed one runaway bride like he directed a lot of you know iconic rom-coms and then just like

started making really bad rom-coms but r.i.p gary um we yeah you you started strong and there was a few weird ones at the end but uh yeah what the fuck is going on apparently uh jessica biel ashton kutcher and hector elizondo are also in valentine's day a movie i have seen but remember zero percent of the only thing i remember about valentine's day is that taylor swift kisses taylor lautner because taylor lautner only dates other people other taylor taylor i love that for him i think i've gotten i mean i feel like we're leaving out or like just forgetting so much but there's only we i mean it's so difficult to process everything that happens in this movie so it truly is yeah i i guess i just wanted to like touch one more time particularly on because sofia vergara has been the center of a large discussion about the over sexualization of

latinx women in particular for so long there's a lot of different opinions on it we are obviously not the two people to make any sort of judgment call on it. Sure. And it's something that I want to talk about with Latinx guests in the near future preview. But I just wanted to shout out a couple of articles and we can link this in the description as well for some of the, I wouldn't even say it's like necessarily criticism, just several Latinx writers that have written about her career and the sorts of parts that she's played in the past.

Sure. So the first one is from this year, from 2020, in Pop Sugar by Jennifer Paola Varela Rodriguez. It's called Say What You Want, but Sofia Vergara has broken barriers for Latinx people on primetime TV and beyond. Then there's also interviews with Sofia Vergara on this topic. One is in Vanity Fair back in 2017 with Johanna Desta. The headline is, and I would recommend reading the whole thing, Sofia Vergara to critics, what's wrong with being a stereotype so it's a very large discussion that we'll be having with guests but I just wanted to sort of shout out that there's uh certainly notes of that in the part she is playing in this movie sure yes yeah I will have to check

those articles out thank you for doing that research Jamie and And I look forward to having this discussion in greater detail and more depth in coming episodes. We're hinting at an upcoming episode. But it's a surprise. It's a secret. But it does pass the Bechdel test. It does pass the Bechdel test. It does.

Boy, does it oopsie it does between a few different um Sarah Jessica Parker and Abigail Breslin we mentioned that scene that passes where Abigail Breslin exposes her bra but the context of most of their conversations is mom why can't i hang out with the boy that i like similar to the exchanges between katherine heigl and sophia vergara where they have a few exchanges that are just like two line back and forth that technically pass but like the context of most of their conversations are about john bun jensen jessica beale and sarah paulson talk about their pregnancy competition but they're gregs they're great they're little gregs and but then also like their husbands are always like right there so none of these passes and i mean i'd almost be

mad if there was like a really like a good exchange of dialogue that like does pass the test in an otherwise terrible terrible movie yeah because it feels like it wouldn't this movie this movie doesn't deserve it mostly passes the bechdel test by accident by accident yes like by sure coincidence or mistake so spiritually it doesn't pass spiritually it doesn't pass i'm giving this movie no nipples i'm giving this like nothing nothing for this movie yeah the few again the few like bare minimum moments where i'm like okay at least katherine heigl stands up for herself and doesn't want to go on tour because she has her own career or like when the the pregnant women apologize to each other again like it's canceled out by

every other obscene thing that happens in the movie yes so zero nipples zero nipples uh which is also what i give the year 2020 2020 gets zero nipples zero nipples i think that we actually kind of jinxed stuff last year because do you remember when someone sent us a clip of us being like 2020 might be really fun. So I'm just going to go in on 2021 neutral. I'm going to I find it best to have very low expectations because even if something not terrible happens, they exceed your very low expectations so i'm gonna go on record as saying 2021 will be the worst year in recorded history i'm gonna have no take because thinking about it gives me extreme anxiety um yeah well that's well there's another year and that's new year's eve so this new year's eve uh please stay inside yes and uh don't want this movie here's the best way to ring in 2021 please don't watch this movie

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