The Bechdel Cast - Scary Movie (2000)

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

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Hello and welcome to the Bechtelcast, the show where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechtel test simply as a jumping off point. Caitlin popping in here to say that this week, we are unlocking a Patreon, aka Matrion episode on Scary Movie, the first one from the year 2000, since the new one is coming out very soon. We released this on the Matrion around this time last year as part of a third. theme called spoof timber, if I'm remembering correctly, in which we covered Scary Movie and Young Frankenstein. So here is that unlocked episode on Scary Movie. Enjoy. Do you remember the Bacadale cast? Jamie, do you like scary movie? Was it? Okay, that part was funny. That, do you remember the, do you know what that's referencing? It's a Budwe. are commercial right yeah okay yeah there I had to check a bunch of references in this although some of

them it's like James Vanderbick in a window yeah I know what that means mm-hmm yeah I know what that means unfortunately there were some things I feel like as we go through this maybe we can help each other figure out because there most of the references I got there were a few that I was like well I'm sure that people knew what this was at the time I yeah I was a sentient teen when this came out. You were the target audience. Yeah, I really was, unfortunately. So we're covering scary movie, matrons.

This was your number one, by a landslide. Number one vote. You absolute weirdos. No, I feel like I was talking with Grant about it this morning. I think we talked about it too where it's like, you guys wanted us to have the exact conversation we're about to. have which is what the fuck you guys why do we have to watch this what if a twist we loved it we love scary movie actually it is a feminist masterpiece i thought it was so far i was looking

i was trying to figure out just like how the cast of this movie felt about having worked on it particularly regina hall because you're like get her out of here they're uh like we need to air lift regina hall out of this horrible movie but that this was like sort of a big break roll for her and so she did one of those I forget what magazine it is but it's like the career retrospective video yeah and scary movie is the first thing she talks about and she's very polite about it uh where she was like yeah that like my she mentions because we'll talk about like I think the various failures of this movie and some successes I will say there were some things that made me laugh there were a couple funny jokes I'll admit it the the 9-1-1-1

one white woman in trouble joke, very funny, was up. It really was like many jokes in this movie, just repeating a joke that had previously been made, but I laughed. Cazam. I laughed. Sure, but that was more just because they said something. Anyways.

So Regina Hall was, she was like, yeah, so I, you know, I got the chance to do this part, and my manager or agent or whoever was like, probably don't do this because this is like a super stereotyped black woman character. I think that she called it a loud girl character, which I'd never heard it in that way before. But yeah, like, she's like, it's a loud girl character. You're going to get typecast as this. Like, I wouldn't do it.

And Regina Hall was like, and she's like, and now I really understood what they meant. But like she took the role because A, it was a role. and B, because she was a big fan of the Wayne's brothers, which is I'm sure why a lot of people were in this movie. And I didn't realize that this movie was more financially successful than the movie that it's based on. Scream, I mean, both are wildly successful. And I know what you did last summer,

but only for like 10 minutes, weirdly, I thought. It's definitely way more parodying scream, yeah. But Scream, obviously came out in 96, made for $15 million, made $173 million. Hello. Scary movie made for $19 million, made $278 million. Wild. Unjust.

Unjust. Yeah. Sorry. Anyways, I just, I didn't, I didn't know Regina Hall was in this, and I was, like, upset for her. And Anna Ferris. Anna Ferris, I feel like, she's had a very interesting career where you're just, like, Is anyone ever going to let her cook? Is anyone ever going to let this woman cook?

Or we, or anyways. Okay, I'm yelling. Well, what's your history with this? Had you seen it before? No, I had not seen it. I had seen clips of, I, I've never seen a scary movie all the way through, but I feel like these movies often find second lives in, there were scenes I recognized because they were like posted on.

like early YouTube or whatever or I think I definitely remember whatever scary movie because luckily this is streaming on Paramount Plus right now and I was like should I watch scary movie too? It's not streaming. Okay, whatever. Well, it is on Hoopla and I did watch it for this. I have like one to two notes on it. But I only rewatched it because not to interrupt your history with it. You're fine.

There isn't any. I mean, I saw it in clips. I just, I was always going to say is I remember the one. Is Scary Movie 2 the one that references the ring? I remember the clip from the ring. I don't think so. That must be Regina Hall fighting the girl from the ring. Whatever.

Okay, that must be Scary Movie 3 or beyond. Because there are, I think, five of these total. And the original cast is like basically in the first four, which is why, like, they, I'm pretty sure they kept Regina Hall until Scary Movie 4. Poor Regina. For what? Anyways. Yeah, I had seen this movie before. It came out in 2000. I was 13 or 14. So yeah, the target demo. Totally. And I think I saw this before I saw scream. So I've seen a lot of letterbox reviews to that effect, which is like kind of fun. It was, I mean, I wish it had been the other way around. But sure, I can't fix it now. And I think I only saw a scary movie. Once prior. No, I did actually rewatch it when we covered Scream just to see. And I think I just had a little, just a couple comments about how it's like so bad. And every horrible joke that you can think of is made. Yeah, I didn't realize exactly how like beat for beat. Because I, I didn't watch scary movie too. I watched Scream immediately after. And which was helpful because I hadn't seen. I think I had. I had. seen Scream for like a year or something like I usually watch it every Halloween but but just like literally scene to scene there is reused dialogue which that one point they call attention to in scary

movie yeah you're just like this sucks this is so lazy and oh god this yeah this movie is truly really punishing but so in 2001 when scary movie two came out for some reason I like was slightly more attached to that one. I had seen that probably three or four times in the early 2000s. Interesting. I think probably once in theaters and then I'm guessing like I would like go to a friend's house for a hang and we would put it on. I don't know.

But I have like more memories from that one. I kind of didn't really remember anything from scary movie. They're all horrible. I don't think I've seen any of the sequel. beyond scary movie too. I think that that's fair. Yeah, I feel like it's just all like, although I mean, okay, positive things I can say about this movie.

Also, the Wayne's brothers, they're historic figures, right? Like they're who have made stuff I really like. For example, Hollywood Shuffle, a movie we've covered on this very show. It was directed by Robert Townsend, but it was co-written by Keenan Ivory Wains. he created in living color, which is like an iconic comedy series. This was, I didn't realize, scary movie, whether we like it as a movie or not,

was the highest grossing movie by a black director for years until a different bad movie displaced it, Fantastic Four. In 2005, Jessica Alba, Fantastic Four. Yeah, directed by Tim Story. Also, he, I mean, he worked a ton with any movie, like all this stuff, right? So I guess listeners, when you're setting your expectations, this is not a take-down of the Wayne's brother writ large, right?

They're complicated figures, but they are also like just like iconic comedians. I would say that this genre specifically is maybe the genre that is set to age the absolute worst of almost any movie genre because not only is the humor very effective. and dated. So are their references. So if you like, we're not the target audience for this movie, you're just like, I feel like I'm being punished and I don't know what they're fucking talking about.

So there's a reference in scary movie too where there's like this whole, it's horrible, but the tires on a wheelchair are firestone tires. Do you remember the whole scandal around firestone tires

in the early 2000s? No, what? Exactly. What is it? I remember it. I'm kind of curious. Just that they were horribly made and like cars kept getting in horrible accidents because like the tires would basically fall apart or like catch on fire or something while they were

driving. Whoa. And so there's a reference to that in Scary Movie 2. I did not know that. To your point, no one remembers that. No, I have no idea. Except for me. Also there's a continuing on the Wayne's brother train because there's just so many brothers.

Ways Brothers. Ways Brother also wrote and directed a movie we will be covering on the show. It's just like the recording time keeps getting postponed. White chicks. Kian and I, Ruins, is not, you know, at the top of, he's not one of the white chicks. And who can forget Major Pain? I remember that? Did I ever tell you, I've never seen Major Pain. But my freshman year of college, we had a cardboard cut out of him in my room. My roommate had a cardboard cut out of Major Pain. So he was, in fact the first person I saw when I woke well not a part he's cardboard but like yeah Damon Waynes was the first thing I saw when I woke up wow and then you've got Damon Wayne's junior yep of new girl fame and others

Hollywood Dynasty yeah there's it there I think third generation of Wayne's in Hollywood now I'm not totally sure well there's like there are like 10 siblings yes Because it's like Keenan Ivory Waynes and Sean Waynes and Marlon Waynes are all brothers.

Is Damon Wayne's a cousin? Like what? Hang on. I googled Wayne's family tree. Okay. Let me. Where's the tab? It's starting to feel very Game of Thrones.

Like you have to, there's charts. So Dwayne Wayans is a writer and film composer. He's the eldest. then Keenan Ivory Wains is the second eldest. There's Deidre, who's a screenwriter and producer. I didn't know there was a Wayne's sister. Wow. Yeah. There's another, there's Kimberly, an actor and writer and producer.

Oh, I did know about Kimberly. Never mind. Because she's in some of their stuff, yeah. There's Elvira. She has worked as a writer's assistant and a writer. Okay. There's Nadia, who the little blurb about her has primarily stayed. out of the spotlight. Good for her. There's Devon also largely kept her life private. There's

Sean. I like that the girls, the girls are generally like, no thank you. Not interested. I'm like, good for you. Good for you. Sean born in 1971 and Marlon born in 72 versus their elder brother, Keenan, born in 1958 and Damon Sr. born in 1960. So yeah, there's like many siblings, many years apart. But Kenan's got, I always think of him as like sort of the elder, because it's like his younger brothers

who are in his stuff. He was involved in Eddie Murphy Raw. Like he's, I feel like he's the, I don't know, there's so, it's, we could do a whole

Wayne's family history show, basically. Right. Yeah. And I also, I was like, which Wayne's brother was it? Marlon Wayne's last year,

in spite of the fact that we will see some very, you know, transphobic and homophobic jokes in scary movie. I do feel like it is worth mentioning that a couple years ago, I don't know if his son said it publicly or if he has asked about it, but he has a trans son who he has been extremely publicly, vocally supportive of, which I thought was really nice to, you know, people can grow. So while Marlon Waynes, you know, as we'll talk about, had a hand in writing some pretty horrifically transphobic and homophobic jokes in the year 2000.

You know, again, just couching it in. People grow. We're talking about the year 2000. And it's not going to feel good. It certainly is not. So yeah, your history is you saw it when it came out, but you're more of a scary movie too head. I mean, technically, yes, but also I've left these movies in the past.

I haven't seen any of them since like probably 2003. Fair enough. But yeah, for some reason, Scary Movie 2 was the one, which is mostly a parody of. Yeah, yeah. Do they always choose like one movie to basically rip off? Pretty much, yeah. And then maybe there will be like kind of a side plot or like a secondary movie that they'll pull from. but it seems to be like mostly one movie.

Yeah, the haunting from 1999. Although the opening sequence of Scary Movie 2 is an Exorcist parody. They love The Exorcist because it's also heavily right. I mean, I guess it is like one of the most iconic horror movies, but it's not recent at all. So I was like, why is it? They also love Titanic because there's a Titanic reference in Scary Movie and Scary Movie 2. I thought that was a pretty clever, dark, but well executed. Almost I too.

There's just, there's just a lot. There's a lot going on. Yeah, this movie wants to be screamed so bad. And this is the crux of it that I know I'm like in no way the first person to make this observation. We've talked about it over text, but like, why would you parody scream when scream is a satire of horror movies? It's a hat on a hat. So I feel like any or most of, at least if you're looking at this from a critical standpoint, which I know you're not supposed to, but we're doing it anyways.

But it's our job. But that's our job. That's what you pay us the $5 for. But, you know, like I feel like most of the attempts to like parody scream in particular, it just like falls apart really quickly. because it's like Scream is already, it would make more sense to do an Exorcist parody or a Sixth Sense parody

or like a movie that is at its core sincere. Not that scream, I mean, and Scream, so that was what I did instead of watching Scary Movie too. I rewatch Scream. We've covered it on the show before. It's a classic, it's great. You know, has its flaws, certainly,

but like it is clearly commenting on horror tropes, which I feel like the second trilogy does even more. In like pretty, I think, clever and astute ways. Something that scary movie utterly fails to do. And it's not even like rewatching scream. I mean, it's high drama. Like you love the characters, but like it's not subtle about what it's doing. Like it's, it's tell.

But, you know, the scary movie really challenges. what not subtle can look like. Yeah, I don't know. Do you have anything else? I guess, oh, the last, whatever, positive contextual thing that I will say about this movie. And also what they make Sherry O' Terry do in this movie. I love Sherry O'Terry.

Like, can we not make her do that? Anyways. But that this movie's success, and again, feel about this way what you will, basically revived this genre. like the like super spoofy summer movie and that like continued throughout the 2000s like with this franchise but also with you know epic movie vampire suck blah blah blah blah like those movies not another teen movie totally yeah like there were stuff like this in the 80s and 90s I'm not saying there were there was baseballs you know like but in general like it feels like these kinds of movies had a huge moment in like the 70s and the 70s and And then again in the 2000s. I forget if it was epic movie or there were a handful of ones like this where they were just like,

let's take a pretty broad genre and then call it something movie. I don't remember if it was epic movie or something similar, but I walked out of it. I went to go see it in the theater and I was like, this is so bad. It's like one of the few movies I've ever walked out of. I was supposed to say, do you remember the first movie you walked out of? I did. It might have been that. It made me feel so powerful. The first movie I walked out of, and like in retrospect, I was like, okay, that was a little dramatic. But I walked out of Baz Luhrman's Great Gatsby. I mean, visual cacophony. I said, enough is enough. Enough is enough.

I think I was being like a little like, this isn't like the book. Like, you know, I was being a dork. But you know what? I did. I said what I said. And I remember that when I, when I did it, I was wearing a Monsters University hat, so it still was like kind of humiliating anyways. That's hilarious. It's adult woman. I almost walked out of Boslerman's Elvis because that to me was very peep, oh, you know what? I think it was disaster movie that I walked out of 2008.

Oh, I remember, yes. I mean, that felt barely justified. I, like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. The last thing I'll say before we dive into the recap is that. something that would have probably made more sense to bring up on the Young Frankenstein episode because we were talking about our relationship with spoof and parody.

I forgot to mention that I made a student film, which was a parody. I think I mentioned it on the show before, but it's called Car Wars Return of the Jeddah. Wait, I don't remember this. Which is awesome. I think we can all agree. Okay, no notes. It was, okay, so, because my friend had a beat up Volkswagen Jetta, and so I was just like, can I use your car slash will you be in my little movie? Oh, that's sweet. I love that.

I also, I guess I should have, for my context, I should have mentioned for all the shit I'm about to talk, you know, I wrote on robot chicken for two seasons. So look, so look, am I above this? Clearly not. Clearly not. I wrote on Robot Chicken for two seasons for like $5 cumulatively. So like, you know. But some pretty good parody sketches on that show. I gritty.

I've always been a fan of that show. I gritty. That was my favorite that I got away with. I gritty. Guys, come on. Come on. You got to watch eye gritty. Yeah, that was like, God, that was like seven or eight years ago now.

So even the ones that I am proud of still feel a little dated. One was like about, what was that Remy Malick show? Mr. Robot. Yeah, I did a Mr. Robot parody that at the time did numbers, but now someone would be like, huh? What do you mean by that? Anyways, yeah, am I above obvious parody? No.

No. It paid my rent for a little while. Yeah. But, but I will say, having been in rooms of that nature, what you do find is constantly fighting against jokes that are not dissimilar to the ones that appear in this movie. because I feel like parody can be super fun as like your short film is an example of that. I gritty is an example of that. Wait, let me just say one more thing also.

Okay, so I gritty. It Tanya. Mr. Robot. I robot. Remember that movie? It makes you think. It makes you think.

Sorry. Wait, what was it? There was like one robot chicken sketch I wrote that I was like, oh, that didn't even have anything to do with anything. It was a fake commercial for like Cheetos, like what to do and you've been fingered by a guy who just ate Cheetos. Anyways. So that wasn't a parody as much as just something that was on my mind at the time. That was original content. That's IP.

That's IP. Anyways. Oh, but just like the fact that like I don't know. This genre is possible. It's possible to write really funny stuff. it's always going to rely on, you know, the viewer knowing what the reference is for the most part. Although some people saw a scary movie and then saw a scream. So it's like if it's strong enough, it can stand on its own.

Usually you need to know the reference. But it really does open itself up to like some of the like nastiest prejudices at the time. I'm thinking of the time in the robot chicken writer's room when I had got into a full on argument. And I won't get specific about who I was talking to. But this was in. 2018, 19, about whether Elon Musk was cool or not. And he really was like, what, do you hate rockets? I was like, no, I hate Nazis.

And then he was like, you're being dramatic. And anyways, so this is the tenor of this. However, this movie, I don't know. I would be really surprised if there wasn't like a punch up room for movies like this. That's something that as a writer I'm always like curious about because, you know, whatever, for listeners that aren't aware, there's usually for, usually on comedy movies, a lot of the time on kids movies. Once a script is complete, they will hire a group of writers or comedians to come in for a couple of days and just pitch jokes that like aren't quite working. I've done one of these rooms before.

They're fun. But, but you don't get any credit. Like I think sometimes people get thank yous or whatever. So I wouldn't be surprised if that happened here. but as far as the credited writers, there's Sean and Marlon Waynes, their brother, of course, is directing. Buddy Johnson and Phil Bowman,

which I, like, who are these men? And those are the names of old men to me. They were writers on the Wayne Brothers show. So that's probably why they got pulled into this. Which was one of the other jokes that made me laugh. I've never seen the Wayne's Brothers show, but during the staff, I've seen just the like, oh.

And the Wayne Brothers is a really good show. We didn't even get a parting episode or whatever. Like that's fun. That's fun. They're not the weird credits. The weird credits are Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer who get a credit because of a WGA rule in spite of not having written on the movie at all. They just were like, what if we parodied scream?

A very lucrative decision for them to pitch the most obvious idea ever. And then other people write the movie. Well, because here's what happened from what I understand, according to scholarly journal Wikipedia. So the Wayne's Brothers and then Buddy, Buddy and Phil were developing the script for Scary Movie, which was originally called something like Scream, if you still know what I did last Halloween or something.

I think the only way it could be more dated would be. And also that Scream was almost called Scary Movie is kind of a fun thing. So they were developing that script. At the same time, Miramax, because, yep, this movie was produced by Bob and Harvey Weinstein. And isn't that interesting every time a movie opens with that, you're like, well, we're off to a bad start. Right. So Miramax was developing a different spoof of scream that Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer were writing. And I don't know if they just sort of like decided to combine efforts or what exactly. But that's basically why Friedberg and Seltzer have writing credits on scary movie,

even though I don't think they worked on any draft of this script. The lesson being, if you're a Hollywood writer, just start pitching the most obvious shit around town. And eventually you'll start making passive income off of it. Right. Good for them. I also something that could. So like we were talking about, this movie is clearly ripping off Scream. And I know what you did last summer, which I kind of.

of forgot, I know we talked about it when we covered, I know what you did last ever more recently, we're both written by the same guy. They're both written by Kevin Williamson. And what a fascinating cultural figure he is. Indeed. Because he also created Dawson's Creek, which is referenced in the movie that is parodying two of his movies. Wow. It's all connected. Her web connects them all. Kevin, Kevin's web connects them all. I'm always rooting for Kevin. for obvious reasons. Anyone named Kevin. Kevin Le Mignon. Yeah, that is really kind of it.

That's the whole reason. But yeah. So I was like, wow, there's just so many layers of Kevin Williamson in this damn movie. Although I do think, I know what you did last summer is corny. It kind of sucks. But what can you do? What can you do? But scream rocks.

And it didn't need to be parodied. And it makes no sense that it was. And yet, scary moving one. And yet. You have the desire to help do you have a real difference? The College, LaCite, you offer the program

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I guess so. I mean, yeah, it's basically scream, but worse. But yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I guess like spoilers for scream because most of the same twists that happen in scream also happen in this movie. So if you haven't seen Scream, it's about to be spoiled more or less. Okay, so the movie opens much the same way. Scream opens where like the ghost face killer calls a woman.

the character's name is Drew, played by Carmen Electra, formerly played by Drew Barrymore in Scream. Wow, that subtle reference to the text. Poor Carmen Electra in this day. Like, poor, I mean, every time you see an actor, just think we're saying, poor them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the killer calls her and asks her about scary movies, and then he shows up and starts chasing her, stabs her in the chest

this is truly like I forgot until I rewatch Scream beat for beat for beat for beat for beat the exact same scene to the point where I kind of forgot that the Drew Barrymore's characters parents come home at this exact moment in this one

the mother's giving the father roadhead something that I don't know I just am like that doesn't there's so much roadhead in this movie. I was like, stop telling teenagers that Roadhead is a thing. It is not a thing. I've done it twice

and it was scary. And they always crashed the car. It's scary. Don't give Roadhead. Don't be like people in scary movie or me. And there's two different points in this movie. I'm sorry. Carmen Elektra, her first five

seconds on screen, oops, I farted. Okay. Like, it just for no reason. Just Let's have a fart. Same thing with Anna Ferris at some point where it's just like, oh, she farts in the bathtub. Yeah, why, why not? I don't know. I feel like, why not, but also why? I'm being a snob, but also why. And it's only women, like, why are women farting? It feels fetishy anyways. Well, or it could be really thoughtful representation to show that women fart too. I don't fart. Okay. I've never farted. Yeah, me either. I don't know

what I'm talking about. I'm gas-living you. Anything to not talk about this movie. Okay. I know. Sorry. So this sequence happens. Yeah.

Cut to a teen girl named Cindy, played by Anna Ferris. Now, eagle-eyed viewers, keep in mind, the character this is based on is named Sydney. Whereas her name is Cindy.

Whoa. So the parallels are subtle, but stay with us. Also, young Anna Ferris. Did you see the story about how she ended up in this movie? Kind of, I sort of forget it already. So I think, I don't know that much about Anna Ferris as a person other than I think she's like a really good comic actor who has almost exclusively been in movies that have aged very poorly. And I would like to see her in a movie that isn't.

I really, the last time I was visiting producer of this very show, Sophie, we, we rewatch the house bunny for some reason. Uh-huh. Does not age well. I've never seen it. It's, well, it does not age well. But, like, Anna Ferris is a very, very talented actor. I feel like she, I know she was, like, early to podcasting.

She was married to Chris Pratt at one point. A lot going on with her. And he has been very, very ablest about the child they have together. Yeah. I mean, she seems. I've listened to her podcast a couple times. She seems genuinely great. And I don't.

don't know at what point, or maybe Chris Pratt came with a broken brain, but clearly he got like famous in his brain broke or something. And he's awful to their kid. It seems like he was awful to her. Anyways, I think she's very interesting. And this was her first, I might have been her first, one of her first roles. Definitely her first big role. But yeah, it like happened sort of, she had just like graduated from college and she was going to go to London. And then they were like, wait, just take one audition in LA and then it was this and then she she had to be in them I can't say it had to like she was forced I don't like but she was in the first four yikes it's too bad anyways I like her her and Regina Hall I just am like they should make a different movie together agree I would watch it let's write something for them

okay okay so we meet Cindy and she's in her bedroom her boyfriend Bobby climbs through her window And he's horny, horny, horny, and he wants to have sex. But she's a virgin and she wants to wait, thus initiating her entire arc. And we'll talk about that later. Not the electric fence underwear. Just nasty business.

Are we going? I mean, I guess we couldn't reference every offensive joke in the movie. But I'm just going to single out the ones that upset me the most. Sure, sure. The electric fence underwear, I was upset by. her dad being friends with Pablo Escobar and being a drug trafficker, I guess I was neutral on that. I don't like, I don't like the joke. Shrug.

But there it's not funny. I don't know. Like, I don't know what it's, again, I was like, I was trying to figure out, you know, where they were going with that. But it just sort of seemed like, so there would be a guy being like, don't look at the drug or whatever. I think it's hashtag random humor. It's, and in 2000, room, vroom, room. The hashtag, I mean, I feel like it really gets cooking in the back half of the 2000s. That's when we have the finger mustaches.

We get, these get pretty, pretty thorny in the random department. But yeah, this is, this is, it begins. It begins. Okay, so we cut to the next day at school. We meet Cindy's friends, Brenda, played by Regina Hall. Brenda's brother Shorty, played by Marlon Waynes. And just for what it's worth, so most of the characters on scholarly journal Wikipedia, they let you know which character becomes which character.

Billy Loomis, Bobby Prince, I mean, that's literally a one-to-one. He's often saying the exact same dialogue as Billy Loomis. It's, I think he's maybe the most poorly realized character of all of them. And at the end, he's gay. they literally give him the last name Prince because he's also sort of based on a Freddie Prince Jr. character. Right. Whatever.

Shorty is supposed to be the Jamie Kennedy character in Scream. Regina Hall is supposed to be, I picked out the Brandy character from, I know what you did last summer, but also I guess a Jada Pinkett Smith character from Scream 2, which I have not seen. Uh-huh. Anyways. Okay.

those are those characters. Then we also meet Buffy, a friend of Cindy's played by Shannon Elizabeth. I wonder what that's a reference to. No idea. Hard to say. Was there a famous Buffy teen character in the 90s? Based on a character played by Sarah Michelle Geller. Also, I felt like that was more based on the Rose McGowan character and I hate how they talk about her. I hate how they talk about her. It felt like the way it was written was intended. I mean, and maybe I'm wrong. But it, it just felt like the way she's introduced is so aggressively hateful of like that like bloody girl has no respect for herself and it felt to me based on how rose mcgowan was talked about in that time it felt like a direct missive at her not even at that character and it pissed me off quite

frankly it's very pissy yeah um so buffy's boyfriend gregg okay whatever he's heavy with gregg He's, yeah, many, many such Gregs. I don't even know fucking the actor who plays him. I didn't write it down. Lockland Monroe. Very expensive sounding name. What else is he done? He's in White Chicks also.

And he was in Riverdale. Okay, that's interesting. Whatever. Next. Next. Next, we meet Ray, played by Sean Wayans, who is also Brenda's boyfriend. But there's all these constant. jokes that he's actually gay.

Literally, I think that there's a scene, the sequence where they're ripping off, I know what you did last summer, which happens for about 10 minutes and then kind of really doesn't come back ever again. I don't think that 15 seconds passes without there being a gay joke from or at this character. Yes.

In the same way that like all, the entire LGBT community is presented in this movie as predators. Freaks. Exactly. Yes. Like creeps, predators, whatever, just like all of these broad stereotypes that it's really unpleasant to revisit of like, well, if someone is gay, they're attracted to every man they see. Like you're like, ah! Yeah, nasty. And also like ends up by extension, like the Regina Hall character being constantly like made a joke of of like, how does she not know? And like, whatever. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks so bad. Okay, so they're all hanging out together at school. And word has spread about their classmate Drew, having been murdered. The press is on campus, including a reporter named Gail Hale Hale Storm, played by Sherry O' Terry.

They didn't even change the name. They didn't even change the name of that character. Yeah. They changed the spelling. Sherry O'Terry, not fair. Not fair. So the teens are wondering. if Drew's death had something to do with them accidentally killing a man last year.

And this is when we get the flashback that's a direct reference to, I know what you did last summer, where they hit a man with their car, dump him in the sea, and agree to never tell anyone about it. Although Cindy's like, I don't know, maybe we should tell the police. It's so weird because I feel like you could take that sequence out of the movie and nothing would change. Absolutely.

But there was one joke. Okay, there was one joke I liked in that sequence where the guy is fine. Oh, yeah. And he's like, oh, good, no worries. I was like, okay, this is like a fun studio comedy joke. More of that. But then, of course, the Ray character is like, I'll grab his ass. And you're like, what?

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we cut back to the present. The reporter Gale approaches a character named Officer Duffy to try to try to, get more information about Drew's murder and we will talk about all of the very ablest things that are happening around this character.

Unbucking believable. I mean, and this is, this character is directly and offensively mapped on the David Arquette character from Scream whose officer Dewey. Get it? Whoa.

Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Meanwhile, at school, the ghost face killer is kind of like lurking around. He's leaving notes for Cindy. He leaves a photo for Greg, which is like this extended small penis joke.

Yeah. Then there's a scene where Buffy is participating in a beauty pageant and the killer murders Greg as he's watching his girlfriend, like, be in the beauty pageant. Actually, I kind of like that. joke too where it's like she will now do a dramatic reading and she like gives this performance which is just reacting to seeing her boyfriend right it works yeah more stuff like that please less of all of the other horrible stuff or you know what just don't make the movie just don't make the movie it was completely unnecessary yeah okay so then she witnesses her boyfriend Greg being

murdered. At home, Cindy gets a call from the killer who is inside her house and he attacks her. But then the cops show up and her boyfriend Bobby shows up. And he has like the killer's knife and phone and gloves on him. So he seems very suspicious and is arrested. So then Sydney, not Sydney, that's the scream character. Cindy. Cindy. goes to spend the night with Buffy, and then she gets another phone call from the killer. So it seems like, oh, no, they locked up the wrong guy. And of course, this also happens in Scream.

So any dramatic tension that you might be expecting from a movie, well, it's not really there because you already know what happens because they did it in Scream. And also you don't, like, one of the big successes of cream. Five cream. What is it? I, oh man, I liked Five Cream. And maybe I, maybe it's because I just, I ride for Jenna Ortega. I have a crush on Jack Quaid.

Sure. That movie works for me. Anyways, one of the successes of Scream is that it's clearly like commenting on stuff, but it still manages to like write characters that you care about. For sure. Cannot be sad. Cannot be sad. Especially because our final girl character, the movie,

hates her. There is a running joke. Well, I would say it, I think it happens, she's physically thrown around by, by various characters. Cindy? And multiple poise. Yeah. Cindy, yeah. And it's supposed to like build. I think that the three beats is like the first one is, you know, she's like pushed a little bit. The second one, she's like body slammed. You hear bones crack. Oh yeah. And then later she's blasted into the ceiling with cum, which is, I think, one of the least pleasant things I've ever. scene committed to film. Yeah. It's clearly a mannequin.

But like this happens again in scary movie to during the scene that references Titanic. And so that feels like a crime. I just feel like yeah. Regina Hall luckily, I mean, I want to see her in more. But I feel like Regina Hall has been able to escape this type of movie. I just feel like someone, someone, someone, Hollywood elite listening to our show. Someone rescue Anna Ferris from this type of movie. It's just not fair.

Yeah. Okay, so anyway, the killer calls Cindy. So she's like, oh, no, it couldn't have been my boyfriend because he's in jail now. So who's calling me? And Bobby is released. Meanwhile, for some reason, Buffy does not believe that the killer is harassing Cindy, even though Buffy saw her boyfriend get murdered by the killer. Yeah.

But this movie isn't interested in allowing women to have thoughts or logic. I literally do think, yeah, that they were just like bimbo. And they cast who, by all accounts, seems to be a lovely person. She's a huge animal rights advocate. But Shannon Elizabeth, who plays this character, was like, I didn't know this because I wasn't horny at the time. but you know she was like i guess considered like a sex symbol uh of the time she's also in the american pie movies so i feel like even having her in this kind of role was sort of meant to signal like don't take this character seriously for sure which is horrible yeah she's the character in

american pie who and i forget exactly how this plays out in that movie because not that i'm ever going to fucking revisit that but like i totally wiped it from my memory i don't remember a single thing. It, again, it was unfortunately a movie that I was the target demo for when it came out. So yeah, I was familiar with it. But like the big scene with her is when she's like undressing in front of a webcam, but I think doesn't know. Oh, because the Jason Biggs character like, gosh, he's like, whatever, change clothes in my room. And then he like sets up a webcam that's like broadcasting video of her undressing. which she does not know about and like broadcasting it to like everyone at school and it's so it's like extremely exploitative and horrible and that's like what made her famous that's what she's

famous. And we've talked about this multiple times in the show but I really do feel like the late 90s into the early 2000s was one of the low points for representation of women in general, which is wild but I really do think it was like done better in the 80s. And the 70s. I kept thinking as I was watching this, that this movie is just like very emblematic of what American culture thought was edgy comedy. Yeah. At that time.

Like, this is just like, you need a reference point. Like, this is it. This is what we thought was good and funny. Right. And it's like, and it bears out because it was like one of the most successful comedies like ever. I don't know. It's so weird, especially after having covered young Frankenstein, a movie that came out nearly 30 years before this one. Yeah.

You know, there, we had plenty of notes about it and women do not play a, you know, or anyone but cis men don't play a significant role in the movie. But it's still, there's far less to talk about than this. It's just wild. Not to say, I mean, I guess like tempering that with, I'm sure that there were plenty of broad comedies in the 70s. that were offensive in the way that this is. But this is like one of the definitive comedies of the early 2000s. And what does that say? I also, just to take another little tangent here, to prepare for the new naked gun movie,

which I do think I'll see. But I was hanging out with Brian the other night and he was like, let's watch the first naked gun. And I was like, sure, I'll rewatch it. And then I realized I was like, wait a minute, I've never seen this. my point is that it's not you know a beacon of representation or inclusivity or anything like that i mean o j simpson is in the movie for crying out loud but it's actually pretty funny like i was surprised like the jokes most of the jokes are not wildly problematic and most of them are like

pretty funny goofy like spoofy slapstick stuff sure i feel the same way i mean i guess i haven't seen it in a long time, but like airplane, I feel like is in the same category there. Yeah. Right. So it's very possible to like do a silly spoof that isn't horrendously problematic. But I think it gets back to what you're saying where it's like it's a clear part of this movie's agenda to be edgy, which I would say is not really true of those other movies. Like their number one goal is for it to be funny where I've like this this movie's number one goal is to be edgy to teenagers. And it does appear that it was successful. But is that a worthy goal?

I would say no. No. So the Buffy character is like mocking her friend Cindy being like, oh, you silly goose, you're lying about being harassed by a murderer. He's not even real. Awesome. And then the killer goes after Buffy and murders her. Well, she is a bimbo.

So, of course, she's got to go. Yes. We cut to Brenda and Ray at the movies. They're watching Shakespeare in love, which is kind of hilarious to me. So bizarre, because it's like they would have had to have gotten the rights for that. I'm curious what the story behind that is. Yeah, I didn't hate that joke, but I was just like, how did they make that? Oh, you know what?

I'm pretty sure that that's a Miramax movie. Oh, okay. That's almost certainly what it was because there's all of that really unfortunate, disgusting. I mean, there's a lot of anecdotes about Harvey Weinstein connected to Shakespeare in love where basically he bought that movie Oscars and also, I believe, harassed Gwyneth Paltrow, Ms. Goop herself. Anyways, I'm guessing that that's what it is, is that is, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the Weinstein Brothers just doing a random victory lap.

for a bunch of Oscars that they purchased. Yeah. That said, I do like the movie Shakespeare in Love. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Should we cover it? I haven't seen it in a while. I think we'd have some stuff to talk about.

Okay. Yeah. I'm done. In any case, Ray and Brenda are watching Shakespeare in Love. Ray goes into the bathroom and gets stabbed in the head by a penis. You know what? What? I obviously wrote that down.

Uh-huh. But this movie is so full to the broom with stuff like that that I honestly kind of forgot already that that happened. That happens. And then while this is happening, Brenda is in a very like caricature-ish, stereotypical way, is loudly talking throughout the movie. And the audience around her is getting very annoyed. So they all stab and. kill her. And this entire sequence is a reference to scream too.

I see. Okay, I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah. That. I like that, I'm glad that there is that Regina Hall brief interview clip about it. I wasn't able to find her talking about scary movie very much elsewhere, which is fair. But, but that's like the like

loud girl stereotype that she's talking about. Right. And I don't know. I mean, it's like in some ways I, you know, I'm a white girl. I don't feel like it's my place to criticize necessarily. But also, I think, like, listening to Regina Hall talk about, like, that is very telling. So, yeah, I'm going to say, I'm going to say it. I think that sucks.

I think it sucks. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So at Cindy's house, meanwhile, a party is happening. and the killer goes after a woman in the garage and she's killed by the garage door,

which is another direct reference to a scene from the first scream movie, except this time it's very fatphobic. Because they had to get that in as well. Yeah, they're like, it seems like they just had a checklist for... I mean, honestly, because at some point you're like, well, I mean, at some point I remember thinking, I'm like, I'm waiting for a transphobic joke. Oh. And I didn't have to wait long.

Nope. Did I even include that in? Oh, I don't even include that scene in the recap because I just wanted to barrel past it. Because most, well, yeah. I mean, I don't even remember at what point in the movie that happens. Because, again, it's just very random. It's a scene. It's just.

Okay. The character's name is Miss Man. And, you know, that's the brain power level we're working with here. Played by Jane, I don't know how to say her last name. Because they're not enough... Trick off. Vowels in it. Missing a vowel is what I would say to Jane.

Yeah. But Jane is a bodybuilder in real life. But I feel like we're supposed to interpret her character as a trans woman. Do you, like, due to the character, Miss Man. And the character, having testicles and a penis. Yeah. It's just like a horrific transphobic joke that the more I learned about, the worse it gets somehow.

Well, because at first she's the joke is that she's a like stereotypical gym teacher, like predatory lesbian with masculine features. Yeah. Who is like preying on her students. Then the joke becomes that she's a trans woman who's. testicles are hanging out of her underwear. Everything about it is horrific. And again, like, in a similar vein, I think it somehow worse, but in a similar vein to the repeated homophobic joke with Ray, that Ray is attracted to every man he meets and

will assault every man he meets if given the opportunity. The same logic is put onto the only canonically trans character, also. played by a cis actor. Like, just, it's, it's a nightmare. And I also really feel for Jane Tricka in, in, in this scenario, too, because she's a professional athlete. This is her first movie appearance she's ever been in. And, you know, it's just, like, it's horrifically transphobic, first and foremost.

And I also think it just, like, says a lot of, any time you see a woman, cis, trans, whatever, that is strong. it is made a joke of. And I hate that. And yeah, I think it's interesting that, have we ever talked about the predatory gym teacher trope on this show? Because it is such a thing. And I think it does, like, run the spectrum of gender as well. But I think, like you're saying, if the character is coded as a woman, it's a predatory lesbian.

But I'm also thinking of the coach from mean girls as, like, a predatory man. And, yeah, I'm thinking of Sue Sylvester, you know, like you're just, you're just thinking of a lot of characters. And Sue Sylvester is an icon. Make no mistake. She's a legend. She's a problematic legend. But there's the trope again, you know. Yeah.

Jane Tricker, I'll just read you a list of the names of characters she has played in movies. In addition to Miss Mann. and herself. She's played a character named Buff Babe, bodybuilder, guard, Amazon, which I'm guessing refers to like Wonder Woman.

A tall Amazon woman kind of thing. Hospital security and Bulldike number two. So if you're wondering if she has been typecast, I would say yes. I would say certainly yes. I will say, one of her cooler roles is she's in the telephone music video with Lady Gaga and Beyonce.

I watched the clip because I was like, where is she in that? She's one of the prison guards who like brings Lady Gaga into the prison in that. So I'm like at least after all this fucking bullshit she had to deal with, she got to hang out with Lady Gaga. I guess that I guess that's my whole feeling there. but I was like just relieved to see like someone on this list of collaborators who I'm like who it seems like probably was respectful and kind to her. I hope so. Also she's on whose line. That's kind of fun. Oh. Yeah. She did. She made a cameo appearance as herself on the Drew Carey show. I'd be curious to know how she's framed, but she appears as herself. And then apparently she and Drew hit it off because she was on whose line a couple times in the early 2000s. No kidding. And she was on Tim and Eric at one point. I don't feel as it. So you know, I don't know. I don't know. Jane, come on the show.

But yeah, she does not return to this scary movie franchise after this. And I'm glad for it because it's just like, the joke is offensive, but it's offensive on far more levels than I even understood. And as with many of the jokes that age horrifically with this movie, it has no bearing on the plot and could have been taken out. Indeed. Yeah. Other things that could have been taken out.

is the storyline where Cindy is like, I don't know, should I have sex with my boyfriend who keeps trying to assault me? She decides at the party after drinking a lot. And so we can, you know, we'll talk all about this. But she is finally ready to have sex with Bobby. So she and him go to her room. meanwhile the killer is busy smoking weed with Shorty and his stoner friends I think this is the main scene I knew from this movie is like okay because I remember seeing at like Halloween stores there'd be the ghost face mask and then the stoner ghost face mask mm-hmm right yeah so he's he's just having a fun time and then he accidentally kills a bunch of the stoners sure and then I guess he's like oh right I have to

to continue the plot of the movie. So then he comes into Cindy's room after she and Bobby have had sex. And it seems like the killer stabs Bobby. But twist, it's the same ending as Scream. And there are two killers. I was so like really, really. And then they do add their own twist, but it's maybe the worst piece of writing ever committed to film.

The twist is that Bobby is gay. and has been, I guess, this whole time. And then that Ray isn't gay. Is not gay. Okay. So we just don't really know what's happening about that. So we're laughing. And it's funny.

Okay. So they're working in cahoots, Bobby and Ray. And they're doing the thing where they're like, okay, we kind of have to like frame someone else. So we have to stab each other. Ray stabs Bobby. But then a third ghost face. killer shows up and stabs Ray.

So those guys are dead now. And then this other ghost face killer tries to kill Cindy. There's a whole Matrix reference where they're like battling each other. I remember seeing clips of this. The number of bad Matrix parody is done in the years after the matrix is just like. Also it was wild that like this movie came out because the Matrix came out in 99. This movie came out in, I mean, I know that this movie was like made in just a couple of months. Right.

But if nothing else, the joke was topical. The joke sucks. But it was, it was, you know, the turnaround time is pretty impressive. I agree. You know what Matrix reference in a movie that comes out after the Matrix is good? What? Shrek. So true.

I'm so glad you said that. I feel better now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just ignore the Matrix reference in scary movie. Think about the Matrix reference in Shrek 1. Yes, which is tasteful and really impressive because it came out two years later and it was animated. Yeah.

So in a way, even more impressive. There you go. Anyway, so this third ghost face killer, he like escapes. And presumably he's the person who the teens accidentally hit with their car last year. So the sheriff questions Cindy. She tells him about like, oh yeah, it's probably this guy who we dumped in the ocean. And the sheriff is like, no, we found that guy. We found his dead body.

So the killer has to be someone else. And then Cindy realizes it's Officer Duffy. There's a usual suspects reference where Duffy changes his gate, his appearance. his appearance, his way of speaking. Oh, I didn't know what that was a reference to. Yeah, that's usual suspects. And now he's like cool and sexy question mark. And he escapes with Gail Hale Hale Storm.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Well, I think let's just talk about Officer Duffy right now because it's just, it is really awful, obviously, because he is one of the most broad, offensive performances of a developmentally disabled character, like, ever committed, played by an actor who is not developmentally disabled disabled, a guy named Dave Sheridan, whatever. I don't know who this guy is. But, I mean, it's horrible and also not unusual for this time. I feel like is important to mention across genres. I think it was still in the 2000s. And throughout film prior to this time, this is, I think, one of the more offensive displays of this trope.

But actors, playing developmentally disabled characters was very normal at this time. I think that the reason it's more offensive in this case is because it is in this, like, edgy, broad comedy. But I'm also thinking of movies like I Am Sam, which came out with Sean Penn around this time. I'm thinking about true confessions with Shaila Buff. I'm thinking about even going back, Dustin Hoffman and Rain Man. I mean, like, there is. I mean, Forrest Gump, we talked about.

It was considered, I think in the drama category, it was considered Oscar bait to do this for a very long time. Yeah, that is very true. And in this case, obviously, Dave Sheridan is not going for an Oscar with this performance. He's just being extremely offensive and the whole, I mean, and just humiliating the character in every way you could possibly imagine. They're humiliating him like hygienically. They're humiliating him sexually and also the predatory nature of the sherryoteri character in this like is just above and beyond.

And then to learn that this was all done in service of the twist being he's not actually developed mentally disabled, which on top of it being offensive makes no sense because he's Buffy, he's been Buffy's brother his entire life. Like, what do you mean? He's been undercover for the plot of scary movie his entire life. Right. It doesn't make sense. So on top of being offensive and bad for 2000 offensive. it also makes no sense. It's utterly nonsensical, as are most of the jokes in the movie,

which are also incredibly problematic. I mean, yeah, it's just, it's exhausting. In Scary Movie 2. What's eating Gilbert Gray? Sorry, I just thought of another. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yep, no, correct.

In Scary Movie 2, Abelism is also, leaned into with a David Cross character and a Chris Elliott character. Interesting. And so many jokes are made at both of their expenses in really horrifying ways. But yeah, I mean, I didn't even write down a whole lot of specifics. I just sort of went through the list of like... I unfortunately did. I mean, I just wanted to sort of close out the discussion of Officer Duke.

what it comes back to is like like we've talked about and I think has become more standard practice although not perfect in the last 10 to 15 years is that disabled actors should be playing disabled characters and we've seen that in

I mean the movie that comes immediately to mind is Coda and I know that like unfortunately it's a Shaila Buff movie but the peanut butter falcon is another movie but a disabled actor would never want to be in this movie because the part is specifically written to punch down at them and so it's like there is this two-hander going on where first of all it's clear that the production of this movie

would never consider hiring a disabled actor and on top of that they've written a part that is so offensive that a disabled actor would very likely never want to play it so it's just like I don't know it's creating again it like reminds me of in different ways. But like in terms of inclusivity,

how can a movie like this be inclusive when it is such a hostile environment creatively? Right. Right. Where like I've felt this way in different writers rooms I've been in, right? Where it's like, oh, this is, this room is heavily white men, especially like the further back you go. And you're like, okay, like there should be more diversity in this room.

But how could there be more diversity in this room? this room when it's so hostile to people who aren't white men. Like if I'm a white girl and I'm struggling in here, how the, like, it's just like, I don't know. It, I feel like it really speaks to a very particular kind of comedy that is just like with some exceptions. And again, I'm saying this about the 2000s Wayne's brother's world. Right. But like, it's just, it's hostile.

For sure. I hate it. And not that you. really know based on how certain characters are written and portrayed in the movie, but this is a movie that's written and directed by black filmmakers. And as we already talked about with the Brenda character, and I would also say with the Shorty character, still like leaning into stereotypes about black characters. Which I think is like, I would be curious because I don't think, I don't know, again,

two white people talking here. Right. So grain of salt. But again, like this, with this Regina Hall clip, she does reference that she's like, you know, part of the reason she decided to do scary movie was because it was a parody. And so I think in her estimation at the time, she was like, well, yes, this is a very broad stereotype of black characters. but it's being written and directed by black creators,

and it's supposed to be a parody of this broad character we see all the time, including in both of the movies. This movie's ripping off, which point fairly taken. But if that is the intention, which I totally believe it could be, it's not successful because it's not subverting anything. It's just doing it. Right. Worse.

Right. Like it's just doing it worse. So how is that, I don't know, whereas like, and again, you get like shades of commentary that, like, the Wayne's brothers are fucking famously great at. Like, Hollywood Shuffle, dude. Like, I think, like, the two jokes that felt like it wasn't just copy pasting a stereotype was the Titanic slash Amistad 2 joke, which if you haven't seen the movie,

first and foremost, don't. But basically, you see. Black character saying, I'm the king of the world, a la Jack Dawson. And then it's revealed that it's on the Amistad, a Slave Ship, Dark Joke, but clearly trying to say something in the same way that like the, in one of the many shot for shot parodies of Scream where Cindy has to like input like, what's your emergency? And she puts in white women in trouble, cut to 12 cruisers. Like that's funny. That's like saying something But the way that Brenda's character is written

Like what is it doing If not just the stereotype Like it's not meaningfully subverting it in any way Which is frustrating because you know that the Wayne's brothers Can and have done that So why not here And also especially with like the only black woman in the movie As Regina Hall

Like I'm just like It sucks It sucks and then yeah Ray's character is, I think, generally more, they're like, oh, well, all of the gay jokes are Ray. I can't even, too many to remember. Too many to remember. But they're written to threaten other characters. They're written to humiliate Regina Hall's character.

And that's generally what they're there to do. And to imply that he just will. do sexual things to people without their consent. The finger in the butt in the car? Yeah. So it is horrible stuff like that. It is just like the general over-sexualization of women between Carmen Electra at the beginning of the movie and then the Shannon Elizabeth character throughout the rest of the movie.

And then the Anna Farris character too. Like the Anna Farris character is treated horribly. And like, you know, there, yes, the bombshell, quote-unquote, characters, characters, interestingly, that Anna Ferris would later herself play, but isn't playing in this movie because she's either was originally brunette or is wearing a brunette wig. I actually don't know which because she was late. She's now famously blonde, but who knows? I don't know if it's like a die job.

Hard to say, but she's playing the Sydney character who in the Kevin Williamson script is like not ready to lose her virginity, whatever, which is commenting on Final Girl tropes. Right. Like that is the point of that character. But this movie is just like, well, what if we took that

and made her not comment on anything, but be a prude who we don't like, someone who is physically assaulted, someone who does lose her virginity when extremely drunk, and gets blasted to the ceiling by cum. It's just like she's yeah the Cindy character I don't know if it was maybe just because

and this doesn't speak well either of like the Carmen Electric character everything they can do with her in five minutes they do in a way that is also commenting on her own career because you have the Baywatch one whatever and then she gets stabbed in the chest and like a silicone implant is pulled out and like that's a joke

It sucks. It fucking sucks. But I, yeah, I mean, down to, like, I think that for me, like, of all of the misguided and actively hostile things that this movie does, I think the treatment of the final girl is very telling because that is, like, such a horror movie classic and something that, like, Scream famously handles pretty well. Right, because this indie character does have sex and the trope of. any sexually active woman has to be murdered in a slasher movie. That gets subverted in Scream because she has sex and she survives. But the last shot of the movie is Cindy getting hit by a car. Right. Like it's just like.

It just seems that either scary movie doesn't understand what trope was being subverted in Scream or they don't care because they're just like. I would guess it's the ladder because I think that they're just like going for the edgiest laugh available at any given moment. Because it's like, these are smart writers. So it's, I just, yeah, I feel like the litmus test for how this movie works sort of hangs in like how this indie character is treated. And she's treated like a body. Like she's just treated like a body the entire time.

And it sucks. Yeah. I mean, again, with her whole arc where she's, you know, deciding whether or not or if and when she's going to feel ready to have sex for the first time. Like a story about a teen girl coming into her like sexual readiness can be a very compelling story. Yeah. But the movie doesn't handle this with any kind of nuance. So much of it is...

It's because the movie hates women. The movie hates women. Not to be like old school bectalcast, but like how else do you possibly describe the attitude towards women in this movie? They just hate the movie. You know, do the Wayne's brothers hate women? I hope not. But this movie definitely does. Yeah.

Yes. And with other examples we see too where it's jokes that are disparaging of women who are sex workers. Right. I don't even remember that. all the times that like the Cindy character like gets the shit beaten out of her by a man and that's the joke right that's like a runner that's the runner and it like peaks with her getting like cum blasted or whatever like it's just really really nasty it's really nasty and this is our protagonist like the movie hates its protagonist what else do you need to know yeah I

did make note of a few jokes that I was like, okay, yeah, I appreciate the comedy in this. Yeah, I mean, there's, so there, okay, the first one I think it starts out seeming like, oh, they're going to say something here, but then it, just kidding, where Buffy and Cindy and Brenda have like linked up and they're like walking around the campus of their school or whatever. And Buffy is saying, oh, you know, I just want to like help people. feed hungry people. Oh, yes. A character who is coded as an unhoused man

approaches them and asks them for a dollar. Buffy screams after she has just said like, I want to help feed hungry people, but she's like, ooh, get away from me. So it seems like, okay, that's commentary on the way that people tend to treat unhoused people and dehumanize them and be unwilling to help them. Cindy is then like, no, no, no, can't you see he's hungry?

and she gives him a sandwich. And we're like, okay, that could have been something. But then the unhoused man says, I said I wanted a dollar, you bitch, and then throws the sandwich at Cindy. So, yeah, which plays into all of these nasty stereotypes around unhoused people is that they are, you know, hostile and misogynist and horrible. I think what is the, I mean, it's not, the commentary is bad.

fundamentally. I do think that and they're not trying to do this but I do think it's like if you're trying if you're speaking with an unhouse person and you're trying to figure out like you know what she should have done there is ask them what they need like what can I help you with versus like because I know that there's just like a billion stories of like you know someone who needs help with male who needs help with their ID and then you know like some well-intentioned person who is not listening, gives them a granola bar and calls it a day. And they're like, I'm an amazing person. So it's like there, you know, again, there was an opportunity for a joke that was not

punching down at an unhoused character. And that could even have been like commenting on Anna Ferris's character of like thinking she was doing a good thing while also demonstrating that she wasn't listening and was sort of doing that more for herself than for the person she was talking to. but again kind of a pointless thing to bring up because that's clearly not what they were trying to do yeah and it never comes back yeah i think that that that was almost interesting with the shannon elizabeth thing but then it like undercuts its own commentary immediately and then you have the bobby character who a bunch of stereotypes about you know people living in poverty are deployed here where

he lives in like a rundown trailer and next door to the school also I was like on top there's so many jokes in this movie that on top of being offensive are also confusing whereas like what is like huh it's confusing and also he's like he's an abusive person he is constantly wearing his girlfriend Cindy down and trying to pressure her into performing sexual acts for him and all this stuff. So yeah, just a lot of nasty stuff. The jokes that I do that I do like, because there are a handful. Early on, the characters are like, if this were a horror movie, they'd cast people in their late 20s and early 30s to play us. And then it's visibly a cast of people in their late 20s and early 30s. Sometimes 30s feels generous for a couple. The scene where I think it's after, Buffy has died or something like the joke is that Cindy and Bobby are talking about someone and you assume that it's one of their friends maybe Buffy maybe someone but they're like she's gone and she's not coming back and Bobby's like that was over a year ago you have to move on and then Cindy says but Ginger was such an important member of the spice girls oh yeah I get that's laughing that's a funny joke

That's funny. That's funny. The scene where the woman goes into the garage to get more beer. Obviously, again, there's a lot of fat phobia surrounding this character. If you could even call them a character because who is this person? Well, she kind of makes a joke about that. She's like, come on, I'm just a day player. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that is funny. Funny. And then upon her first going into the garage, there's some disturbance. And then it's revealed to be a cat. And she's like, oh, kitty, you scared me. And then there's another one. then there's a horse there.

She says, horsey, you scared me. Funny. That felt like a very like Mel Brooksie kind of joke. Totally. As does the joke

where Cindy and Bobby are in her bedroom. She says, it's not as though this is a movie. And he's like, it is a movie. See, there's the sound guy.

There's the script supervisor. The same thing when they bump the camera does a, you know, bumps into her. Which are, okay, two jokes literally from space balls.

where a camera like pulls into far and like bongs the Rick Moranus character on the head. God. And then there's another. That's the reason I have to watch Spaceballs is because I have a forever crush on Rick Moranus. Well, you know who else is in it? John Candy and also Bill Pullman and also Joan Rivers. It's a great cast. Okay.

So that's like a lot of crushes. That's a lot. That's a lot. Wow. Bill Pullman? And then there's-80s Bill Pullman too. I know. All right.

And then there's also a scene in space balls where they have to figure out what to do next. So they consult the script of space balls. And that's funny. Okay, fun. Okay, fine. You win. It's fun. Anyway, every other joke, though, in scary movie is the most offensive, reductive piece of shit you could even possibly think of.

It sucks. It sucks. You know, even if it is the most successful, Wayne, brother's raunchy comedy it is also the most brain dead one because i haven't watched white girls in many years but it's it's saying something you know like there is it there's just like i think that the real issue with this movie is like that there is no agenda and it doesn't feel like the movie has a particular fondness for i mean i think part of why if we're talking about like the differences between this and young frankincinnstein obviously there's a lot but

I feel like a lot of why even the more badly aging elements of young Frankenstein, at its core, you can tell that it was made by someone who has a lot of affection for the source material. I do not feel this here. I do not feel this here. I feel like they like horror movies, but especially because the movies they're ripping off are so recent. It just doesn't feel like it's because of how the joke that wins or that ends up. up in the final script is never what is in conversation with the source material. It's always

like what is the most edgy thing we could do in this moment. It just feels ultimately like they're from moment to moment they're not really thinking about the source material at all. They're just like regurgitating it in a more offensive way where young Frankenstein as we talked about like not not all of it works. But you can tell at very least that like Mel Brooks is. thinking about the Frankenstein story, which again is like such a low bar to clear. But it's just like in this movie that is at times a shot for shot word for word parody of scream, it doesn't feel like they care about what scream was trying to do. Like there's and the fact that, you know, the Sydney, Cindy stand in, they hate this character.

They're beating the shit out of her and like really not making much of an effort outside of, I would say Anna Ferris' performance to try to endear us to her. What is it for in that case? Like, I guess it really comes down to, like, what is the function of a movie like this? And the answer is most likely, don't think too hard about it. To make money. Yeah, it's a commercial endeavor. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this is, like, you know, if you're thinking logistically, you're the Wayne's brothers, you know, their show just got canceled and, like, you know, there's a big disappointment.

And yeah, maybe you do take the big swing and go for the big, you know, brain dead studio comedy to, you know, keep yourself in the game. It strategically makes a lot of sense. But it just feels so, I don't know, I wouldn't say devoid of passion. It's clear that, like, it seems like people are generally having fun making this terrible movie. But it just feel, there's just a void about it. It feels like you're saying, it feels very, very. very very very commercial which isn't always a bad thing but in this case is because it is not saying anything it seems to have very little affection for its source material and you know is actively

seeking to offend in a way that i mean that people still do now unfortunately where it's like how many shitty edge lord comics you know become infuriated when they're like like, oh, you can't laugh at that. And it's like, well, it wasn't funny. Like, you know, our choosing edginess, well, this isn't the case for the Wayne's brothers. Like, we're, there's a lot of, I'm thinking of like a bunch of edge large comics who, who go edgy because they're, they never were funny.

And now they, and they need to manufacture a reason why no one is laughing, which is tragic. But many such cases. But the Wayne's brothers are funny. So why are they doing this? I think it's like commercial, like, it's money. a really kind of gross way to make a lot of money, I think. I agree.

I was looking up how this movie was reviewed at the time. And it was generally not super favorably where a lot of critics pointed out the like crude and tasteless humor. Although some of them were like, well, despite that, I still lived. laughed loved it such as a variety critic named joe laden okay um was basically like yeah you know there's certainly no political correctness here and the like limits of our rated respectability are stretched if not shredded but then says but you'll laugh until you're ashamed of yourself. I mean, which honestly in in 2000 like people were laughing but also it seems like that is true and like it's so very a sign of the times that like it was so widely acceptable. And I think

that like in that review alone like speaks to how male reviews are and how and how directly and not to say that women didn't see and enjoy this movie. You don't make $278 million, you know, for nothing. But but I do feel it's like it's so clear who the intended audience of this movie is. And it's men. And yeah, just like what a strangle holds the young male demographic had on movies and culture at most points in history. But I think, again, just like there's something about the late 90s, early 2000s is just like so completely egregious in this department. Right. Where like literally she gets blasted to the wall with come.

I can't say it enough. I found it so upsetting. I found it so upsetting. Grant walked it. Greg came home for work last night while I was watching that scene. He's like, sup. I'm at work right now. Oh.

I mean, speaking from, experience the target yeah is like who who's gonna who's gonna laugh at these jokes it's probably gonna be like teen boys and because of the world centers everything around them and caters to them like i was like well all my friends are going to the like i'm just like i'll go along and i probably fucking laughed at the time i don't remember again i was laughing at scary movie two i guess enough to see at three times or whatever. And there's nothing, the thing is like that there's, I mean, whatever, it's part of what our show is about.

But like, there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like what is so, because I think of like, I'm trying to think of like what my real definitive, like, this movie hates women and I called it one of my favorites for a long time. There's plenty of them. But like how much of that is a symptom of like how we were conditioned to see ourselves at that time. Right.

Because like if there is a movie that's quote unquote for, chicks like a rom-com it's not as though men were like sure i'll go with my like you know girl friend a gal pals to that movie they would have no interest in that but it was like well i feel like that has kind of changed over time too which i appreciate yeah yeah but it was like the idea was like well what activity appeals to the men in the group right regardless of your taste or gender or whatever, you're like, well, this is what we're doing because that's what the boys want to do. And I saw so many movies that way. But going back to the reviews are sometimes friend, sometimes enemy.

Roger Ebert. Our frenemy. What did he have to say? Oh, God. Well, he gave the film three out of four stars. Incorrigible. He says that it, quote, delivers the goods and called Scary. movie a raucous satirical attack on slasher movies and it's like sir do you mean scream because sure

but if you're talking about scary movie that's really incorrect really really weird yeah i wonder if to what extent i mean like was he because i could see at the time like if you were just a fan of the wayne's brothers maybe you would give this movie the benefit of the doubt and there's definitely movies that I've not to jump to Roger Ebert, right, whatever. But I'm like trying to think of like, what could he possibly be on about? Like there's people who I've been like, oh, this must be commentary because otherwise, this is horrible. But like, I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, that's a, that's a no, babe. That's a no. You were wrong. He was wrong on that one. Um, I don't really have a whole lot else to say. I don't really want to talk about this movie anymore.

It's really actually so unpleasant. Matrons, why did you do this? I hope this is what you want. Oh, the last thing that I noticed that this is unfortunately, the one joke that I thought aged horrifically well, did you catch one of Regina Hall's

first lines is about a party that underage girls were at at Diddy's house. Yeah. And you're like, this joke is 25 years old and he's in court now. Yeah. So that was something I picked up on.

Yeah, I think we could keep going. I mean, there's a million tiny jokes that have no bearing on the plot because there is no plot because the plot is scream. A joke that like trivializes suicide. Real close until the roofies wore off. That's another one that like the Carmen Electric character. I forget which of the fucking doofest guys. It's the shorty character.

There are several jokes about adults preying on teenagers. And there's a real weird joke at the very end of the movie where Cindy's dad, who I forget the name of that actor, but he's in Groundhog Day. I recognize him from that. But he says something like, he's like, did you get any of your girlfriend's numbers for me? And she's like, no, they all died. Not like, no, you shouldn't be fucking praying on teens.

But it's like the movie knows exactly what it's doing there. Like it's not, I don't know. But then he says to his own daughter. Yeah. As she's like leaving to go off with the sheriff for questioning or whatever, he's like, call me the way that you would say to a character that you're romantically interested in. He's like, call me. Oh, it's like, yeah.

What are you talking about? That's your daughter. Oh, I guess I didn't take it that way. Oh, really? I would like. I guess I did. I mean, I could. Yeah.

Maybe that. But I mean, by the end of the movie, I was just like. like just letting it wash behind me like it just it just yeah I'm going through my like list of jokes I hated oh when she gets hit on by the cop that was another like adult praying on a kid let's see what else yeah gale uh fat shaming and uh various racist bullying of her cameraman they parody that moment between Sydney and Gail Weathers that is a great great moment in scream in the worst, most annoying way possible where literally Gail just shouts at Cindy, your ass looks fat, and then Cindy punches her in the face, you're like,

that's one of the best scenes and scream. How dare they? How dare they do that? How dare they do that? What else do we got? Oh, one of the jokes I did know from this movie was the Blair Witch joke with the horrible CGI snot bubble that looks like CGI. That sucked.

what else are we got what else do we got so many bad oh this one is just a bad joke they make out and then their tongues get tied together like it's roger rabbit or something what the fuck was that all about shrug oh and then and then and then when they do have sex which is problematic as it is she's like i've been waiting for this for a long time which they demonstrate by having her have like gigantic pubs that he has to chain saw And I was like, bury yourself alive for that one.

That one was really bad. Yeah, that was my list of jokes we didn't get to that I hated. So nasty this movie. It is just filed under a movie with dark aura. I got to start making a letterbox list of that because this and 16 candles are are the immediate movies that come to mind with movies with the dark aura. I would add, oh, actually, the Farley brothers speaking, going back to our conversation about ableism in movies, they are obsessed with it. Yeah.

And there's something about Mary, I would also include. Oh, yes, movie with a dark aura. Yeah. And then weren't the Fairley's the ones that, like, won an Oscar for Green Book? Yes. I literally, I think I was like so annoying about it at the time that I gave a quote to the Washington Post in spite of having no power at all. But I really despised that moment in movies post Me Too, like two years post me too. We talked about this on the show where all of the, you know, misogynist to start, directors of these big, broad comedies of the 90s and 2000s all of a sudden made their woman movie or made their like commentary.

movie and started winning fucking Oscars for it. There was also, what was that Fox News movie that sucked ass? Oh, bomb show. That, uh, Joker, the Fairley Brothers winning for Green Book. It's like, just opportunistic bullshit. None of the movies hold up.

I know people do like Joker. That's their business, whatever. But like any of the like, I get it. I really want to cover that on this show someday. Just overall, I want to like, now that it's, there's been enough time.

Maybe I should just write about it or something. But like really pulling together that period of like two or three years post B2, where it was men processing their feelings about feeling bad. Being the villains of the world. And then calling it feminism and winning Oscars. And what the fuck was that all about? I hated that. Anyways.

It was, it was bad. Does scary movie pass the Bechtel test? That can't be. true. I don't know. I didn't pay attention. Let me double check. I couldn't be bothered. Let me double check scholarly journal, Bechtletletest.com. I feel like this is just a waste of my one human life.

Like, of course, wait, scary movie, but, oh, it, okay, Bechal Test. I mean, I could see Cindy and Buffy or Cindy and Brenda maybe talking about something. It might. I don't know. It might, but let's just say it doesn't. Spiritually no.

Yeah. Spiritually, this movie hates women. So even if it does technically pass, who cares? Oh, okay. Wait. It does technically pass. Let's see. Let's see if it passes our version of the test.

Because this is from, wow, really, really going above and beyond this week. This is from a listicle from 2022 on Entertainment Weekly.com. Movies you wouldn't expect pass the Bustle Test but do. Wow. Thank you. Really helpful. Okay. scary movie all it says is the scariest thing about this movie is it passes the bechal test okay i don't know

sure let's go with that but also nipple scale wise negative five negative a million negative a million adding it to the movie list of movies with a dark aura they're far better wains brothers movies tv shows etc to watch just watch hollywood shuffle watch white chicks like you know just don't watch this. No, I still have never seen white chicks. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. So maybe, maybe don't see it. I don't know.

I saw it what it came out. Anyways, at least that movie is trying to do something. This movie is trying to make money and it was successful at it. And they tend to be very bleak movies to watch later on because it just feels somewhat craven. And wish it was Wes Craven, who directed Scream. Who directed Scream? Anyways, this movie is obsessed with Kevin Williamson. I tried to find out if he had ever commented on its existence.

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