The Bechdel Cast - The Addams Family (1991) with Dani Fernandez and Ify Nwadiwe

Episode Date: October 10, 2019

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Just kidding. Please don't. It passes the vital test. It does. Cool. We're going to get down to damn business. We're talking about representation of women in scary families. Scary families.

Specifically, the adams family so today we're covering the film from 91 we have guests multiple plural they've both been on the podcast before separately but they're here together because they are the co-hosts of nerdificent it's's Danny Fernandez and Ify Wadiwe. Hey. Hi. Welcome back, friends. Foretold crossover. Finally, finally. Here it is. We weren't matching this time, though. During Spooktober. Yeah.

What are you guys' history with this franchise? Danny, let's start with you. Oh my gosh, I'm obsessed. I tweet about Morticia and gomez more than any normal person should um i also have a bunch of artwork of them at in my apartment oh right so i have like above my bed i had forever i moved it but it was a picture of gomez like swooping swooping what is the dance move where they're dip dip there thank you iffy

he's swooping he's dipping morticia and has like his face like in her neck and i'm like i don't want any guy in this bed that isn't doing that so that's like as a representation uh-huh and then like right when you walk into my place, I have a picture of him like kissing her hand. So, yeah, I'm obsessed with them. And that is their goals. They are goals. What I aspire to find. Relationship goals, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Terrific. Ify, what about you? Yeah. Yeah. You know, watched Adam's Family like everyone else, you know, thought it was good franchise, fun show. The cartoon was fun. I think now my relationship with the Addams Family is every woman I have a crush on looks like Morticia or cosplay Morticia or Wednesday. Sure.

Any variation of the two. Okay. Just getting into that. Beautiful. Jamie, what about you? What's your time of year? I'm like a longtime fan. We had a book of the comics at my house.

I don't know who it belonged to, but the comics and the illustration style of Charles Adams, I really, really, really loved when I was younger. I weirdly, I think I've only seen this movie one time before, but I remember they used to show repeats of the TV show on TV Land, and I was deep into that. Deeply unfunny television show. Loved it. Loved,

loved, loved. I love a laugh track. I live for it. But this was my first time seeing the movie in, I mean, at least a decade. And it was so lovely to revisit.

What's your history with the Addams family? Well, this might be a wild thing for me to admit, but I had never seen this movie, nor its sequel, Adam's Family Values. But, like, I'm familiar with all of the characters. Like, I knew about Morticia. I knew about Wednesday. I knew about Cousin It.

Like, the whole, the hand. They've infiltrated our cultural zeitgeist. It is like a cultural osmosis kind of thing. Yeah. But I was watching, and I was like, and I thought I kind of thing yeah but i i was watching and i was like and i thought i had seen it but i was like wait a minute i've never seen this movie uh but it was a delight uh and we're focusing on the first one from 91 but you know if if anyone has any thoughts on the sequel uh by all means share them it's so funny because i always forget

gomez is ral julia because i always remember rul Julia as M. Bison from the Street Fighter movie. That's wild. And the fact that that was his last film that he's done in his life and it's dedicated to him at the end. And so, you know, I listened to the credits and that's all I think of when I was like, no, that was a way better performance as him as Gomez. But for some reason, I just see him. I mean. That was Tuesday for me.

I was going to say the original Gomez was also John Astin, who's Sean Astin's dad. Right. Yeah. I love an acting dynasty. Scary. It makes me mad. But I like it. I'll allow it.

I wanted to point out two things just about values, out of family values, because we're just focusing on the first one. I do love that both of the movies had a female villain. I love that. And then Pubert, their son, who's like a tiny Gomez, is actually a girl. They're two twin girls. Just like they put little baby mustaches on. Yep.

Love. So technically, they pass a Bechdel test just with their cooing to each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. You know what? Babies are so androgynous, it turns out. Yeah, that turns out. Should I just dive into the recap? I'm looking up a picture of Pubert, and Pubert's so cute.

Wow. Wow. I've got to see the second one. I also read that the second one is supposed to be the better movie, but it just didn't make any money. Well, that's the one. It was funny, because going into it, I was thinking I was watching the second, but I was like, oh, no. The first one is different, because I was like, oh, no, the first one is different. Because I was like, oh, wait, this is a fake fester alert.

Yeah, the second one was slapped super hard because, yeah, the camp scene and Wednesday appropriating Native American culture was super hot back in the day. But then also like making a statement about how we shouldn't, like colonizers shouldn't have done that to indigenous people. Very conflicted. Right. Just like a woke white woman with dreads, you know? It's like, ah, you know, I don't know what to do with you.

Also, like who are their parents that one of them is Latino and the other is white? You know, I'm like, what is this family? Like, you know, Gomez and then there's fester and i'm like clearly he's adopted someone's adopted what is happening here okay latinx icon yes uh i'm gonna dive into the recap and then we'll go from there yeah okay so uh we meet this kooky spooky family Spooky family. The Addams family. The patriarch, if you will, is Gomez Addams. His wife is Morticia. That's Angelica Houston, of course. Oh, she's so good in this.

Her mother is Granny, played by Judith Molina, not to be confused with Alfred Molina. Although he's a chameleon, could have played the role. Could have played literally any character in this film. He would have actually been a great fake fester. Yeah. Oh, totally. God damn it. And then there are two children, Wednesday Adams,

Christina Ricci, of course, and Pugsley. There's a detached hand called Thing that lives with them. He's their pet? I'm not sure. Or who knows? It's unclear.

It's kind of like a butler, to be honest. But then they also have a butler, Lurch. Sometimes you need two butlers. And they all live together in this huge, creepy house, and they love anything that's dark and morbid. So 25 years ago, Gomez lost his brother his brother fester and every year the family has done a seance to try to bring him back meanwhile the adams family lawyer tully alford played by dan hydea and his wife his wife margaret they're financially desperate and they're trying to figure

out a way to get some of the adams family fortune because they are inexplicably very wealthy i like how the story is like we don't need to explain why yeah well because none of them have jobs and they and they go out of the way to remind you that none of them have jobs you're just like they're just an independently wealthy scary family yeah yes so one of tully's clients m Craven, pays them a visit to collect a debt that Tully owes her. And Mrs. Craven's son, Gordon, Christopher Lloyd, looks a lot like a photo of the long lost Fester Adams. So they decide to have Gordon pretend to be Fester as a way to try to get the Adams money. Quick question. Is Mrs. Craven, that's Murder, She Wrote, right?

No, isn't Murder, She Wrote Angela Lansbury? Yeah. Then no, that's not her. Yeah. Was that your runaway, more on about way of asking if it was Angela Lansbury? Yeah, yeah. Love it. You know, Murder, She Wrote.

Murder, She Wrote. I always forget her name. But now I know it's Angela Lansbury. There it is. Mrs. Potts. And when we say Fester is missing, he's like literally missing. Right. He's in the Bermuda Triangle, they're saying.

Right. Yeah. When we're talking Fester, I do have to take one quick second for us to put some respect on the game where you held the two metal things that would vibrate super hard. And then smoke would come out of his mouth. At Dave and Buster's? Yeah, it scared me for so long as a child because I thought it was really electrocuting you. I was like, I don't think I can handle all those volts.

So the family does their annual seance and Gordon, as Fester, shows up pretending to have been summoned by the seance, along with Mrs. Craven, who is pretending to be a German psychologist who is like helping Fester. By the way, that's a hat on the hat. She didn't have to do that. She just wanted to do some sneaking around, too. She's like, I want to do some sneaking around, too. She's like, I took an improv class. She's like, I got to get some use out of this $40 improv manual. Right. It increases the likelihood of them getting caught by a lot. Right.

I might even go as far to say the reason they were suspicious was because she was there. Right. Why is she here? She's like, well, I just practiced this German accent for so long. I have to use it. I'm classically trained. So then fake Fester settles into the Adams house, but tells the family that he can only stay for a week because he has to get back to the Bermuda Triangle. Wednesday Adams is suspicious of him

immediately. But everyone else, especially Gomez, is like delighted to see him. And he asks Fester for forgiveness for betraying him in their past because there's this whole thing where Gomez wooed these twins, Flora and Fauna, because he was just super jealous of Fester's charm. But Fester can't seem to remember anything from their childhood like the secret password or the combination to the vault or how to remove this like finger trap thing so now gomez suspects this man to be an imposter and gets very upset and he's crashing his model trains together love the model train that's like a carryover from the tv series too he's just a yeah he was a train guy and also the guy that's in it that looks out and sees him that's the director oh barry sonnenfeld yeah um so fake fester knows that they

are on to him but he still hasn't found the family fortune. And then his mom, Mrs. Craven, who's pretending to be the doctor, shows up and convinces Gomez that he's experiencing displacement, which is why he's angry and thinks Fester is a fraud. And everyone believes her. So Gomez, once again, is convinced that Fester, this guy is his real brother.

Poor Gomez. Well, how are they so rich for the fact that they can get duped so easily? I know. Right. Duped and unduped, just as, oh. Yeah. Gomez is just an impressionable guy. He wants to believe the best.

It's true. Yeah. It's true. Meanwhile, fake Fester is bonding with the children, Wednesday and Pugsley, and he helps them with their performance at the school play and everyone is excited about Fester again and he's starting to feel like part of the Adams family but his mom is like I'm your family you got to get out of there find the money and run so the family throws Fester this big ball and the whole Adams clan is invited. Iconic cousin It

is there. As Fester is getting ready and talking to his mom about getting into the vault, Wednesday walks in on them and she's like, I knew it, you're a fake. And then he chases after her, but he can't find her, no one can find her. And then he goes to the ball and pretends

everything is normal. There's a whole dance sequence. Oh, terrific. Great dance. La Moushka. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That whole party is just so good. And I feel like it takes place in this world. Like, there were a lot of good scary dances

in the 90s in movies. Like, the dance in Casper was another big scary dance in an old creaky mansion. Loved it. Loved it. And then after a while, the family realizes that Wednesday has disappeared. So they go out to find her.

And when they come back to the house, their lawyer, Tully, has seized the house and issued a restraining order saying that it now belongs to their oldest living relative, Fester, and that he's still bitter about Gomez's betrayal regarding Flora and Fauna. So now the family is banished from their home and they're despondent. They try to integrate into society. It doesn't work out very well for them. Meanwhile, Fester, now that he has the house to himself, he and his mom and Tali are all trying to break into the vault to himself he and his mom and tully are all trying to break into the vault to get the money but they can't figure out how and fester seems to like miss the adamses and we're like what's going on there and then morticia sneaks out and goes back to the house but uh mrs craven and tully tie her up to get the information about how to access the

vault and then gomez shows up to rescue her and fester doesn't want to hurt the adamses because maybe he is one of them actually and then his mom is like i should have left you where i found you and then we're all like what and then fester's like you're a terrible mother and then he unleashes a hurricane on them that lives in a book uh which also electrocutes fester with a bolt of lightning, which restores his memory. And it turns out that Mrs. Craven had kidnapped Fester 25 years ago, but he got amnesia and he didn't remember that he was, in fact, a member of the Addams family. Wait, I totally forgot this. I don't know.

I was watching it on my plane on the way here and I totally skipped over that. Yeah. So he is by blood or maybe adopted, but he was raised totally skipped over that. Yeah. So he is by blood or maybe adopted but he was raised as an Adams. Yeah. Right. And that ending confirms this total fact which is Fester can grow hair

he just shaves it off. Right. He just shaves it off. I didn't even think about that. It's a choice to be bald. Uh huh. Which is a bold choice always. Sure. Oh man. I didn't even think about that. It's a choice to be bald. Which is a bold choice always. I honestly forgot the entire

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So where do we want to start with this film? We've got an embarrassment of riches here. There's so many fun female characters. It's true. Should we just start with morticia let's do it she's great she i mean an icon she is this is weird that i like she i love i love that she's uh both very much in charge but is also very soft-spoken i feel like you don't get characters yeah like that a lot i will say that because i remember watching this and be like oh i don't remember her voice being that high pitch.

But I think you watch it, forget, and then you see pictures and it's like, oh, she must have a deep voice because she commands so much power. But yeah, no. Angelica Houston, she actually didn't base it off of the original Morticia. She based it off of Grey Gardens. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's how she came up with how she was acting. she based it off of Grey Gardens. Oh, wow. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's how she came up with how she was acting. Wild.

But they kept some of the things. Like, they kept her clipping the roses. Like, that's from the show. But I think she wanted a different take that was more true to her, like what she thought she could bring to it. Yeah. I mean, it's such a, like,

the jokes that she delivers, which are a lot of them, with her performance, it ends up being this deadpan delivery, and it's so funny, and it's so great. Yeah, I love it. As far as her character, so, well, first of all, she's a horny icon. Very sex positive.

Yeah. I mean, her and Gomez, their relationship is great. That's why I was watching this, I was like, I'm the right man for the job. You got the horny lord of comedy, Ify Wadiwe. I hear checking in, clocking in. Is that a nickname you gave yourself? Yeah, it's one I gave myself.

Just hoping it catches on. Yeah, just feel free to tag me, call me that. What was it? Horny lord of comedy. All right. That's going to be the movie I come out with with three other horny comics. The Horny Lords of Comedy. That's your national tour.

Yeah, yeah. Like, oh man, did you check out the Horny Lords of Comedy? I mean, if his set was good, but D.L. Hughley, kind of weak. Not horny enough. I had tweeted about Gomez. I was like, I want someone like him.

And by that, I mean a Latino millionaire that can talk to the dead. Because I was like, that's just so on brand for me. Oh, man. The thing that I love about, I know we're talking about Morticia. The thing I like about Gomez, though, is that he's okay with male affection. Yes. Like, I love that i love like he kisses fester which like catches him off guard but he's very like he cries openly he worships his wife yeah like i just love all of that yeah but i love that they're super sex positive yeah he's like very emotionally open and vulnerable and by contrast

like maybe morticia to a lesser extent, just because she's like, hey, kids, you should keep trying to kill each other more. I like that. I feel like that subverts like a lot of mom tropes that we get on all the time of just like the mom has to be, I mean, not that Morticia isn't nurturing. She's very supportive of her kids.

But like the, you know know emotionally more forward one where it seems like Gomez is kind of the has that role in the family of expressing I mean and even like when it seems like Fester isn't his brother after all or the Fester that they're given isn't you know he's like devastated and like openly devastated and doesn't hide it and I also like that the movie doesn't try to make it seem silly that uh like a man is expressing his emotions too because I feel like sometimes when male characters in movies do it's framed by the movie as like oh how embarrassing for them yeah how pathetic or something like that for Gomez it's just like a part of the story and it like it makes

sense and it's so I love that the the main women in the family are very level-headed. So Morticia and Wednesday. Morticia always keeps her cool even when Gomez is freaking out. And the same with Wednesday. She's just so... Same thing. She's deadpan. She definitely wears the pants between her and Pugsley. That's her little guinea pig.

Right. And by extension, it doesn't seem to bother the men either. They're not like hey stop that like pugsley's like yeah electrocute me like he doesn't care it's fun i mean yeah i know we're all over the place we'll get to every character we'll give them all their due time but like just to piggyback off what you were saying danny about the the two siblings wednesday and pugsley like first of all wednesday is the first and kind of only one who's like very immediately suspicious of a very suspicious scenario um and she so I don't know if that's

like kind of playing to like the women's intuition trope or if it's just that she's really smart and observant that's what I choose to believe is happening I think so yeah um so yeah she's super smart and curious and observant. I would say that she's the more developed, more active and better remembered character than Pugsley. Oh, for sure. I like that she's given a specific academic interest. She loves the Bermuda Triangle and she studies it.

And she studies her, she has an interest in her family when she brings up Calpurnia, right? Her great aunt. You're like, oh, she's, you know, she's digging it. Like, yeah, Wednesday's the coolest. She also talks way more than Pugsley. She has far more lines of dialogue, which I think is unusual for.

Also, I don't know how old Christina Ricci was, but, like, damn. I was watching, like, she was so good. She was on par with the adults in the film. She was 11 when this movie came out. Wow. Insane. Yeah, she's and then and then she, you know, got like pigeonholed in the scary 90s movies for a while because she was in Casper. And she's also perfect in Casper.

Do we want to talk about Wednesday or go back to Morticia or what should we do? Oh, gosh. I'm just excited. I know. It's just so exciting. Casper. Do we want to talk about Wednesday or go back to Morticia or what should we do? Oh, gosh. I'm just excited. I know. It's just so exciting. So yeah, let's return back to Morticia for a moment. My big thing with her as it relates to the narrative is, so toward the end, they've been banished from their house. And Morticia is the one who's like this isn't right i'm gonna go do something about this so she's the one who like sneaks out takes the initiative and goes back to their home in an effort to correct the injustice that's been brought upon them um but she gets

immediately captured and damseled and like tied to a slab and so she doesn't get to accomplish anything which is very frustrating which does and that yeah that's like a shitty tropey thing the only good thing about that is that she that they get kinky about the slab that's true which is fun well because Gomez has to come in and rescue her and then they get horny in regards to the slab that's true yeah they could have capitalized on that opportunity to like have her go try to do something and then accomplish something and maybe like whether or not she's completely successful whatever but the fact that she doesn't even get to do anything because she's immediately captured and then has

to be rescued that was she also got a job and gomez didn't right yes gomez was like sitting around watching tv yeah he was super depressed and And then she went out and became a teacher. Yeah. Right. Right. Which is a great scene too. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I wasn't sure what to make of her getting a job and Gomez not. I feel like it sort of made sense for the story. It seemed like he was suffering depression and she was like, well, I need to go make money because our financial situation is intentionally obscured to serve the plot right and I don't know yeah I that didn't super super bother me and I also think it's it's like especially in the early 90s like the mom being the breadwinner is actually kind of like a little bit subversive yeah and then we also get to see like the interview process where the interview is like, oh, so you've been a homemaker

and you're trying to reenter the workforce. That's actually pretty normal right now. Where'd you go to college? And then she's like, tutors, what was your major? Spells and hexes. She's like, we'll say liberal arts. And I was like,

oh, the comedy in this movie. So funny. But yeah, I actually liked that we see her be the one to like go out and get a job and try to support the family she's very often the one to find the solution for a problem and it's just like i don't know her and gomez have such like a functional good relationship where when there's a problem they split up the responsibilities and one of them solves the problem it's pretty easy like when Wednesday goes missing in that weird sequence where she ends up sleeping on a grave

and then they're like well anyways next scene Gomez solves that one what was that well does anyone know why that happened she runs away to escape Fester because she got caught finding out that Fester is an imposter again she had suspected it but then this is her confirming it because she got caught finding out that Fester is an imposter. Again. She had suspected it, but then this is her confirming it because she walks in on Gordon and Mommy. Right. The shaving of the head. Dead giveaway.

And then so she runs away to avoid like being hunted down by them. Right. Yeah, that's how that happened. But yeah, I mean, similar to Wednesday being suspicious about Fester, you see Morticia being eventually suspicious as well. You can just sense that she's not quite as on board as Gomez is, because Gomez has been blinded by the excitement of Fester returning, and he cannot look at anything

rationally but Morticia's like I'm happy that he's home but also this is a bit sus she takes him out to the graveyard and like warns him of like hey just so you know if you fuck with us you'll be in one of these graves and then like you're just like oh okay so she's

a little suspicious you know she like gives him a stern, she's like, Christopher Lloyd, don't fuck with my family. But also, this is the most, I love this family. They're the most confusing. Because it's clear that they want to die. You know what I mean? It's like, don't fuck with us. But then it was like cyanide, like we'd run out.

You know, and it's just like, you know, they clearly, I kept running into that with the Addams Family values because they were upset they kept trying to kill the kid, even though they wanted their kids to try and kill each other. I'm like, this is so, and they like had a background process for the nanny, and I'm just like, why, don't you want, oh, they're just, they're very confusing. Maybe it's family rules where it's like,

we can kill each other, but strangers can't. I'd buy that. I like it. I like that there's so many rules of the Addams Family universe that just are blatantly unexplained to the point where it didn't even occur to me to question them. Because it's just like canon. We don't know why no one else is scary. And it's also, I'm like, how old are they? We don't know.

It seems like they might be immortal, but then also. Could be. We don't know. Hard to say. Yeah, the wife. Oh, I forgot her name. Tully's wife. Oh, I think her name is.

Right? I love the fact that he doesn't respect her, so she left his ass. Yeah. You know? Also, short guys do win. Look, I date short guys. She went for a guy shorter than her. Cousin It?

Yeah, Cousin It. Because he treated her well. See, that's what we want. That's true. Cousin It's very respectful. We don't know what happens when he flips that hair up. He can be like shredded. He's all dick.

That's what he is. He's just all dick. He's all dick. That's what he is. He's just all dick. He's just a dick covered in hair. I choose to believe that even though he pronouns are used for cousin it, and I also think he pronouns are used for thing, the hand. I think that they are both genderless, non-binary icons. But, you know, that's just my head canon i had one more thing on morticia before we moved on from her was i liked that scene where she goes to wednesday school this is when we find out where uh that wednesday

has made like a school project about her great aunt calpurnia who was burned as a witch in 1706 they said she danced naked in the town square and enslaved the minister but uh i like that they're in this space where morticia is being set up by the teacher to like be worried about her daughter and like call her weird and say like oh something is wrong yeah and morticia just i don't know it's weird because it is she does know what's happening but she just totally steamrolls it very calmly. And she's just like, oh, yeah, isn't that the coolest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life? My daughter is so great.

And then the teacher is just like, ugh. The teacher is just Pokemon stunned. And they move on. She has a lot of moments like that where you know she knows what's going on, but she's not even going to get into an argument about it, and she's so cool and collected that no one ever challenges her. It's aspirational. Morticia is so great. She's great.

The movie, though, both this and its sequel, the stories are focused, I would say, largely on the relationship between Fester and Gomez. So even though we have these great female characters the narrative is focused on like the patriarch of the family and then his brother you know that I found especially maybe sure that's the first movie sequel could have been about something more focused on Morticia which actually they hire a nanny because morticia is like i would like to pursue some interests outside of the home and we're like okay cool that's cool but then she never does anything no yeah so that was um the big frustration for me for

adam's family values but um yeah both movies are about like they're focusing on these male relationships so the female characters end up being more supporting roles rather than you know the heroes of the story the you know and it's an ensemble cast but um the focus is still on men and male relationships which is kind of funny because i think like the iconic characters from this franchise are two female characters mortician wednesday yeah yeah so like in spite of the way that these movies are written it's still like cream rises to the top although i love gomez so much too pugsy can kind of i don't give a fuck he's like the least cosplayed character. Right. I do think that it's weird that it's the same story.

I almost feel like the studio, because it's about Fester essentially listening to a woman who takes him away from his family. That's like both stories. Right. Because I watched them back to back the other night, and I was like, this is like the same thing. He's listening to a woman that wants to take him away from his family like it's just fascinating to me like being on the other side

of it now that the studio wouldn't be like hey so maybe let's change this more but they're like worked the first time let's see what happens don't fix that thing it is cool that like you have parody between men and women as far as like there are female villains in both movies.

And then like also in the first movie, like Tully ends up being irredeemable. But then also like Fester, who is in on the scheme in the first place because he doesn't know that he's actually in Adams. He ends up being redeemable. So it's like there's nice a nice balance there. Like I always like to see a female villain assuming they're handled responsibly. Which is what I think mostly it is. I think she's a good female because you're always worrying like, oh, is this going to be a female villain that is relegated to only using her sexuality as a weapon? But this is a – I mean, Abigail is a goofy villain.

Right. Major goof vibes. And then there's also that bizarre, like, that sexual tension between her and Fester that you're like, oh. Well, there are all those scenes where she's getting real close and she's like, you know, tell mommy you love mommy. I mean, she's shaving his head. She's shaving him. She's shaving him down to, you know, his skin and being like, tell mommy you love her. Oh, true.

Yeah. Scary. There's also, I mean, this is maybe a stretch, but I feel like there's the light suggestion that the villain who is a woman in the first movie is so baby crazy that she will kidnap an adult man and raise him as her son. Yeah, I did pick up on that as well. I was like, um, okay. But it is very funny to me that Fester would have been an adult when she found him. And then she's like, but I'm your mommy. I'm your mommy.

I'm your mommy now. Going back a little bit to Gomez and how he is this really sensitive father I think by that same token one of the things that endears us to Fester is that he takes an interest in the children in like this very nurturing role yeah um because nurturing relationships like that with children are usually relegated to female characters so the the fact that we get to see this random uncle who's been gone for 25 years who would have never met those children was like, yeah, but you're nice and I like you and I'm going to teach you about scabs. Which, by the way, Jamie. I know. It's a topic of interest.

It's getting to be Halloween and we have to reevaluate once again. Does Beetlejuice come wet scabs or dry scabs? Dry scabs or no scabs? Thoughts? No, we don't. We're so sorry to bring you into this. We don't talk about no scabs. It's definitely scabs.

So you're so sure that Beetlejuice comes scabs? Yes. How do you talk about this mathematically? Based on the assumption, which we have deduced to be mostly true, that Beetlejuice comes scabs. Do you think that Beetlejuice would come wet scabs, like a laser jet printer printing a lot of full-color photos, or dry scabs, which would be like a deck of tarot cards being shuffled? Do you remember the commercial in the 90s for creepy crawlers? Yeah.

That's what I think he comes. Like those jelly little crawly spiders that you could like bake in the boys equivalent of an easy bake oven or whatever they had. So you're saying wet but also hot? No, they were like gummies. Like a gummy. It was a gummy. So you put it in this thing.

Scabs are out of the equation. Yeah, I'm sorry. He cums creepy crawlers. See how there's boys on the cover, though? That's unfortunately not canon, Dani. Do you see that there's boys, though, when clearly I owned one of these? See, I do want to quote my algebra teacher and say, show your work, because I need to know how we got to the scabs. I mean, I've got, first of all, look at the man.

He's covered in scabs. That is true. He's covered in scabs. We have no reason to believe that he wouldn't come scabs. I more believe he comes pus. Comes pus. Wow, okay. You guys, this is not canon.

Thanks for playing, everyone. But try again next year. He definitely comes scabs. All right. When we have the writer of Beetlejuice on Nerdificent and we- Ask all our loyal listeners who send in their pictures every year with their team dry scabs and team wet scabs t-shirts. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. It's a whole- Team puss, rise up. Rise up.uss rise up but the no shirts for you no don't be afraid don't be afraid to come puss the the scat there's a book about scabs in this movie flipping through it it's it's one of the ways that fester bonds with the his niece and nephew have you ever smelled your scabs before? Oh my God. When I was a kid, I used to think they smelled so good, my scabs. Oh, what do they smell like?

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And we're going to. But what did the scabs smell like? Oh, no, we cannot. I refuse. I'm going to cut this out. Leave it in. This is important Halloween discourse. One of the last things I wanted to bring up is so.

And Danny, you touched on this a bit as well, but Gomez, the character, and the actor who plays him, Raul Julia, are Latinx. There's an article in Teen Vogue by writer Ella Cerrone entitled The Adams Family's Gomez Adams was my first glimpse of Latinx representation. And I just have a few quotes that I'd like to read from that. There was Gomez Adams, he was the first time I ever saw my own dad reflected back to me on a big screen. The prevalence of solid Latinx fathers in pop culture is meager now. For every Jane the Virgin storyline, there are also many more stereotypes floating around feeding into the narrative of machismo and patriarchy that so many of us are trying now to course correct. In 1991, when the first Addams Family movie first debuted, appropriate representation

was rarer still. No, Gomez was not a realistic father per se. The family pet was a disembodied hand, but he was a devoted one. The fact, and here's another quote from the same article, the fact that Gomez was played by a Latinx actor was not lost on me either. Julia accentuated his Puerto Rican accent and speech patterns in order to heighten the character's theatricality. With all due respect to John Astin and Tim Curry, who have also played the character all other interpretations of Gomez were aberrations in my mind I understood Gomez to be Latinx like my dad because that is what I knew and he still is now that Oscar Isaac is voicing him in the new

animated movie which is why we are covering this uh Adam's family right now because of the new animated movie that's coming out so uh i thought that was worth mentioning um because of the little and not good representation generally of latinx characters in media i love the fact that they did keep oscar isaac and i think i can't predict the future but I think that he will stay not Oscar I wish that they had a live action of him to be honest I kind of wish this weren't a cartoon but I think Gomez will stay

Latinx like for the next decade at least I mean his name is Gomez right but in my mind I'm like so is Wednesday Latina possibly I don't know. We're going to claim her. That's great. Chloe Grace Moretz is out.

Right because she's who voices Wednesday. Rewrite it. Instead of Wednesday she's Miraculous now. Nice. That whole time trying to do that joke I was remembering the song I learned

in Spanish class It was Lunes, Martes, Miracules Viernes What? Lunes, Lunes, Lunes, Martes, Miracules Yeah, you know That's the song

See, mine was Lunes, Martes, Miracules Viernes The fourth one Sabado Domingo, the days of the week See, mine was lunes, martes, miércoles, viernes. The fourth one. Sábado, domingo, the days of the week. Wow, I can't believe I forget Friday. What?

No, you said Friday. Really? Viernes. Oh, so what's Thursday? Oh, yeah. Huevos. Huevos. Oh, that's why I like let it.

Miércoles, jueves, vieriernes, Sabado, Domingo, the days of the week. Beautiful. Wow. Someone's probably like cramming for their Spanish final. And then they're listening to this. They're like, Oh my gosh,

that saved me. You're welcome. Everybody. Senora, Senora Martinez. Can I listen to podcasts while I take this test? Okay. Whatever it takes. We have so many seventh graders taking intro to spanish

as our listeners our main market at this point yeah um one of the last things i wanted to say was um i think it's very cool to see female characters like morticia and wednesday being interested in like dark morbid things because most movies are showing women and girls being interested in things that are like very traditionally feminine which is great but the fact that we only see that and the fact that that's like a societal expectation you know it's whatever but you know I just like to see Morticia and Wednesday. They like love death. Yeah. Well, that was something I wanted to bring up as well, just because I was trying to research how the how the adaptations have differed.

And it seems like this is the adaptation time where like adaptations are done lazily or poorly or and do a disservice to their female characters this actually does a pretty cool job of reversing some of the uh more tropey female roles that are present in the tv series um where morticia doesn't really have the same presence and parody in the household as she does in this movie. And also because Wednesday is like very morbid and I think very similar to the Christina Ricci character in the original cartoons. But in the TV series, she was kind of like femmed up a little bit. They make her more girly. They make her more cutesy.

And they kind of strip her of those really dark interests that Christina Ricci's character has. So I thought that that was a cool, positive thing that this movie did, was first of all, stay loyal to its source material in a way that really served it, and also just let the female characters be dark and fucked up and cool and not have it be this point of contention for the story. This was also a time in the 90s when Riot Grrrl culture was coming up. And so I think having women rebelling, being into more darker things,

and grunge, I imagine that influenced part of this. The Cranberries. That too. Cranberries culture is on the rise. In 91. A thousand percent. And this movie is also co-written by a female writer who, Caroline Thompson, is co-written

with Larry Wilson. But Caroline Thompson has a pretty crazy screenwriting record for this era of movies specifically. She was in the spooky movie genre. She co-wrote Edward Scissorhands. She co-wrote The Addams Family. She co-wrote The Secret Garden, Nightmare

Before Christmas, Corpse Bride, and The Twist, Welcome to Marwen. We don't know where Welcome to Marwen fits into her canon. Isn't that crazy? Isn't it always so crazy that whenever there's a good representation of women in film, there's usually a woman who co-wrote it? It's almost like.

Really? Makes you think. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Wonder what that's all about. My favorite thing in Adam's Family Values is when she's like, Debbie, you enslaved Fester.

You took him away from us. That I can forgive. But pastels. And she like kicks her her out like that's my favorite part she's so okay another thing she's an icon for her meme of her sipping tea i've seen so many people use that on twitter than morticia sipping the tea love it that's the way to really establish a legacy is to have a good like gif of you sipping tea because that means

you'll never truly die ever does anyone have any other final thoughts about the film I want to see I forgot

is it Melissa somebody did Grown Up Wednesday Adams but I really wish that was Melissa Hunter, right? Yes.

I want that. I want to see her, what her life is like now. Oh, like a spinoff. Yeah. We should. Let's write it all together. Iconic. Hell yeah.

Does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah. It does. It sure does. There are a few different combinations. Does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah. It does. It sure does. There are a few different combinations. Morticia talks to Granny, her mother. She talks to Margaret about the finger trap and the charity auction.

She talks to Wednesday. She talks to Wednesday's teacher, as we mentioned, who is given a name, Susan Perkins. They talk about Wednesday. A lot of the conversations between female characters are about like Fester, if he is an imposter, or they're talking about their dad or, you know, something like that. But there are a few exchanges that definitely pass. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's one of those things where you're like, yeah, it's not as much as it should. And I genuinely wish that you had gotten a little more between Morticia and Wednesday specifically

because you see moments where they're supporting each other and having each other's back, but you don't actually get to see that just the two of them together really much at all. So I wish that there was more of that. But that's it. I mean, for 91, this movie, like,

really holds up, I thought. Yeah, I mean, the 90s were so ripe with so much problematic stuff, and especially comedies, which were so about punching down to marginalized people.

So the fact that this movie doesn't subscribe to that, the most regressive thing probably is Morticia getting damsel and having to be rescued by her husband. But other than that, like, yeah. It pretty much, and it subverts a lot without making a big show of it. Like, it just, I don't know. It's a fun movie.

It is. And queer icon cousin it. Yes. I'll say it. And the thing as movie. It is. And queer icon cousin it. I'll say it. And the thing as well. Oh, we're at it. I loved it. When the thing was tapping stuff out in Morse code, I was like, man, the thing's working. Overtime this week.

Love it. Oh, goodness. Let's rate the movie on our nipple scale. Zero to five nipples based on its representation of women i would say because there's the same number of major female characters as there are male characters that's pretty rare um the fact that we do see a lot of subversions of tropes we have these great iconic female characters and yet the story isn't really about them it's more focused on the male characters and their relationships you know so i think i think it's only like maybe a

two and a half it's like kind of right i hate to give a nipple score that's like right down the middle but that's what i've decided to do here today so So I will give one nip to Morticia, one to Wednesday, and I will give my half nipple to Cousin It. Cool. The end. I'm going to do three and a half. I'm going to,

I was very psyched to, I don't know. I mean, I think I'm probably like also a little bit like you never expect a movie from 1991 to like really hold up and not feel and like be like I'm gonna watch this and never feel bad about it like this is great yeah but I think it is like a pretty impressive feat that um yeah that I mean the two best remembered characters and I think the two best loved characters from this franchise are

two women who are um while you, like underwritten in some respects, are for the most part, I mean, they have command of, for Morticia, it's her family and of her marriage as well. And she's very much an equal in every way and also seems to kind of be in charge in a lot of ways. Wednesday is super smart, also supported by her family and how smart and, like, fucked up and weird she is in all respects. Yeah, I gave it too low.

Why did I do two and a half? What am I thinking? I don't know. Let me persuade you. And I also think that, like, the male characters in this movie are really well-written. Like, it's, you know,

if you're looking for an example of what a great father is, I think you can't do better than Gomez Adams. He's, yeah, sure, he's a little gullible if you say you're his dead brother, but then it turns out you're his dead brother. True. Yeah. There's like no toxic masculinity in this movie, really.

They're kind of interesting. And like Pugsley, I mean, he is very fine with being electrocuted by his sister. I feel like little boy, like young boy characters are kind of often made out to be emasculated by their sisters or female classmates or whatever it may be. And Pugsley and Wednesday are, again, I think kind of similar to Morticia and Gomez where they're equals and the woman's kind of doing a little more in a lot of cases. For sure. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's great. Female villain, I got three and a half.

I almost want to say four. Wow. Three and a half nips. I'm going to give one to Wednesday, one to Morticia, one to Gomez, and a half to the thing. Hell yeah. I'm going to switch mine to three and a half also. I made a mistake earlier.

I know. I'll admit it. I've never. This is my first mistake, but here it is. So whoever's keeping track of our Wikipedia page and recording. What the record show. Yeah, three and a half. And I'll give my extra nipple to Granny because I think we could have seen a little bit more of her.

You know know older women representation it's there but it's not that strong so let's i want granny to be a bigger part of the narrative next time love it yeah three and a half for me too you know i thought it was great like i said yeah there could have been like a stronger plot line for the women featured in the film. You know, there's like that light, naggy woman-ness to the bad female characters. But, you know, I think it's in the way where it's like, you know, fat and salt, you sparingly. So, you know, not too bad. Sure. But yeah, I rocked it.

Love Morticia. Love Wednesday. But yeah, I guess one nipple to Wednesday two to Morticia and a half to Cousin It too you know since everyone's doing it

I'll give it maybe Cousin It's just one big nipple under there I don't know who knows part of the thrill is the mystery of it all true

it really is it's true they had their baby oh yeah what their baby what right, yeah. What? Their baby what? Right.

I'm actually going to give this four. I'm probably biased, but I feel like these women affected so much of my life and my personality. So much of my brand is them. I love Wednesday just because she is the smartest person in the family. You know, they gave that to a little girl um uh she's like the shuri of her family like she's great at science she's super into stem yeah you know she experiments she knows chemicals really well uh she knows how to push it just far enough that she doesn't actually kill her brother uh but clearly could she could probably kill everyone in her family if she wanted to um she uses bigger She uses bigger words than me, so I respect that.

And yeah, I like Morticia. I like that they kept her... Like, there's a way about her sexuality that doesn't feel like it's a joke or doesn't feel like she's... You know, I love Jessica Rabbit, but she doesn't feel like that. You know, like she feels so much... I mean, that character's so heavily sexualized and objectified whereas morticia yeah she's heavily sexualized but like in a cons in a consensual way with the man that she's in love with yeah and what i love about that is when a lot of guys are like my queen you know

or whatever on twitter like he actually treats her like a queen yeah like he in the second movie like you were saying he was like i'm something is wrong i want you to feel good too you know after she had her baby yeah i just i love like he was like i would die for her and like the way he says it you're like oh he would literally die for her he goes down on her yes 45 hours yeah yeah she's coming every day. Yeah. So I love that. And yeah, so I'm giving it a four, two of mine. Actually,

I'm going to give, wait, how many? I can't do math. I'm going to give two to Wednesday, one to Morticia and one to, is it Margaret for leaving her husband? Yeah.

Being a woman who realized that she deserved better leaving her husband for someone that would actually take care of her and being happy. yeah and it's a queer relationship because cousin it is a queer icon anyway on board uh well thank you to the both of you so much for being here um what would you like to plug as individuals as a podcast you name it it, anything. You got it. I think Nerdificent. You know, listen, we're talking about a bunch of nerdy stuff. If you like hearing nerds talk about nerd stuff, listen to that. It's super fun. Danny's a treat.

I'm there too. And I'm a horny lord of comedy. Yeah. Look out for the horny lords of comedy tour coming in 2020 just getting that lineup together sure but yeah we really like to tackle i think when iffy and i started it we just wanted to we were two people that i feel like uh got left out of the conversation a lot as far as representation in nerd fandoms and stuff and i feel like there's so much gatekeeping that now we get to talk about some of our

favorite topics with people that are making them. You know, we talk with directors, we talk with showrunners, we talk with voice actors. And it's just really cool that we're kind of like taking the fandom back. So if you're into that. And also it's an educational, it's a fun, you know, comedy-based educational thing. So like if you don't know a lot about Star Trek or you don't know a lot about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, you can listen to funny people talk about it. It's a guilt-free zone. I've, like, stepped into fandoms I knew jack shit about.

And I was like, I don't feel bad about myself. Yay. Yes. Please listen to Nerdificent. Thanks again for being here. Any individual socials you want to plug or anything? I'm at Ms. Danny Fernandez. Yeah, me, I'm ifywadiway on Twitter and Instagram.

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