The Bechdel Cast - The Goonies with Sarah Marshall

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

On this episode recorded live in Portland at Curious Comedy Theater in February, Caitlin, Jamie, and special guest Sarah Marshall chat about The Goonies! Bechdels never say die! Just a reminder that you can grab 'on-demand' tickets to access the stream of this live show at linktr.ee/bechdelcast  (This episode contains spoilers) For Bechdel bonuses, sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com/bechdelcast Follow @Remember_Sarah on Twitter. While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante, and @jamieloftusHELPSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and 100% ad-free, subscribe to the iHeart True Crime Plus channel, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Hello, Bechtelcast listeners. It's us again, the hosts of the Bechtelcast. Ever heard of us? This is, well, I guess, let's say our names. Yeah, sure.

My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante. And we recorded a live show in Portland a few months back that we are now releasing. It's On the Goonies with Sarah Marshall. Ever heard of her? She's the best. Yeah.

She's next door to me right now, which sounds scary. It sounds like I'm holding her prisoner, but it's just the truth. Yeah, you're on tour together. We're on tour together, babe. Beautiful. Beautiful. yeah you're on tour together we're on tour together babe beautiful and so this is one of the shows that we live streamed recorded at curious comedy theater in portland oregon ever heard of that and if you haven't you should go it's fun it is very fun point is we live stream

the show and the recording also exists as like something that you can buy on demand so basically if you go to a video stream yes so if you want to see for example us eating a hot dog on stage see our cute little outfits no spoilers but we're wearing some cute little outfits if you want to see the special segment that we did at the end with sarah that you won't hear in the audio version it's a trivia treasure hunt uh it's very goofy it's super fun and if you're a big fan of the show and you're a big fan of sarah marshall i bet you'll like it but yeah we have that linked in our lead tree but we, but we were about to hear is, uh, our, you know,

audio version of the live episode on the Goonies. We also did this in Seattle, but you were hearing the Portland version, little inside baseball there. Um, and there is still one more Portland live episode. We will be releasing in the future that you can also buy on demand to watch right now.

If you so choose, it is the Hannah Montana movie with Robert Evans. And really, what more could you ask for in terms of a dissonant pairing? But we're very thrilled to present to you now The Goonies with Sarah Marshall. Welcome, everybody, to Curious Comedy Theater. Make some noise for the Bechtel cast. Please keep that going for Jamie and Caitlin.

Hi, welcome to the Bechdelcast. Hi, welcome to the Bechdelcast. Hello. Thank you so much for coming. How are you, Portland, Oregon? The superior Portland. Wow. Wow.

Shots fired against Maine. Yeah, everyone in Maine just passed out, and they have no idea why. Welcome. Thank you for coming. Give it up for yourselves. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante,

and this is the Bechdel cast. Yay! I don't know why. I was like, I'm going to pause so that everyone claps again. No, we're so excited to be back we haven't gotten to go on tour for about

three years for no particular reason really it just kind of didn't feel like it but we're so pumped to be back and back in

Portland specifically because this is I think this is my favorite city to tour to it truly is and which I don't say I did not say specifically because this is, I think this is my favorite city to tour to. It truly is.

And, and which I don't say, I did not say that in San Francisco. I got pretty volatile in San Francisco last night. I was like, what's wrong with it here? It's depressing. Why is your mayor in all of the movies? Um, anyways, I don't feel like that here i feel great here um should we tell well actually has anyone been to a bechtel cast live show before oh my god so who has never been to a bechtel cast live show before a round of applause wow okay second graders let's do it great stance also okay, hang on. We're live streaming the show, so we should say hi to the people in San Francisco who are like,

what the fuck? I totally forgot that other people could hear me. Hi. We love San Francisco. That was a technical error. And I'm a deep fake. I think everyone can agree

that was a deep fake. And that's what I think is the pro of evil tech things going on is that anytime I say something I regret, I'll be like, that was clearly a deep fake.

Why would I say that? I love San Francisco. Bridges are awesome. Last night at the show, I mistook the, this is not important, but I mistook the Golden Gate Bridge for the Bay Bridge and everyone screamed. Someone threw a tomato.

I got egged at the show. You also said the word finger. Okay, wait. Quick story. So last night we did an episode on George of the Jungle in San Francisco where it takes place in first the jungle and then San Francisco.

But there was a moment where well, you were talking about George getting horny. And what was the phrase you were trying to say? I was trying to say that he starts to figure out how to like, seduce a woman.

But that's not what they said at all. I said that he starts to finger out. And everyone laughed at me. But you didn't know that you had said it. And so you just kept going and then you're like, why is everyone laughing? It was really, it felt like a nightmare

that was happening to us, but it was exciting. It was awesome. And that's the joy of live comedy. So thank you for coming. We should tell people what the show is. For those watching on the live stream, this is the Bechdelcast. It's a show where we take an intersectional feminist look at your favorite movies.

We sure do. But Caitlin, what the hell is the Bechdel Test? I'll tell you. It's a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. There are many versions of the test, but the one that we use, that we've cultivated over the years, is that two people of a marginalized gender have to have names, they must speak to each other, and their conversation has to be about something other than a man.

Ideally, some narratively substantial conversation. Right. And then there's just movies about a group of young boys falling in a lot of water. So there's sort of like a spectrum of the kinds of media available to people. And we celebrate that. We do. We do.

So tonight we are covering Oregonian classic, The Goonies. Who here has seen The Goonies? Okay. And who here, who are the brave people who have not seen The Goonies? Yeah. Own it. Yes. Me two days ago. Oh my gosh. Okay. So we're really

excited to talk about this movie and about the movies of Oregon in general. We're thrilled to be here. Really quickly before we bring our guests out, I know that there's someone here that has a hot dog for me. And I would like it. The hot dog, yeah. Come on down.

Thank you. Wait, what's your... This is heavy. What's your name uh i'm carly hi carly um so uh well do you mind we have a second right yeah okay i just want to open it where'd you get this i got it at donny vegas it's a Bon Me hot dog. Oh my God. Wait, chic. Holy shit. Another count against San Francisco. I asked San Franciscans to bring me their hot dog

and someone brought one from Paris Baguette and they were like, um, we do burritos more here. And I was like, get out of my sight. Wait, this looks amazing. Thank you so much. Give it up for Carly. Wow.

Do you want a bite? I would love a bite, yeah. Can I feed it to you? Oh, I mean, yeah. We gotta give... We're just demonstrating what the Bechdel test can do. Caitlin, do you mind

if I feed you this hot dog? Just don't bring up... Wow. Thrilling. I'm going to take a bite from the other side. Actually, I'm going to save the other side for our guest. That's polite did people get pictures of that or or what or was it all for not um this is going really good so far. Donny Vegas, huh?

Wow. Okay. Very close to here. Really? Wow. Okay. So this is a nightmare for people with mesophonia. I get so many emails from people that are like,

what are you eating? I'm like, pudding, hot dogs, chips, Mike's Hard Lemonade, like whatever. Kind of whatever's around. I'm a scavenger. Did anyone else bring a hot dog? I want to make sure our bases are covered. Okay, fuck you guys. What the fuck? Really interesting.

You ask, you ask, you ask. Carly provides. Give it up for the rest of you. You may be flopping a bit, but we can make up for the rest of you. Maybe flopping a bit. But we can make up for that. I'm just going to leave this hot dog detritus here as a memory. I was going to say you've got some

on your face as well. Oh. No. I don't think I do. Should we bring our guest out? We should. Oh, I'm so excited for tonight's guest. One of the greats and one of the Portland greats. A Portland local host of You're Wrong About and You Are Good podcast.

You know her. You love her. It's Sarah Marshall. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Hi. Welcome. Chunk has arrived yeah we're doing some light

Chunk cosplay this is kind of like the Disney bounding version of Chunk it's subtle it's for the fans do you want some hot dog? I saved you the other side just a fresh bite

you're welcome. Happy birthday! Oh, yeah, you didn't feed it to her. Oh, sorry, I'm supposed to... Do you want a second bite? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. a rogue cucumber appears. That was very feral of all of you to say, feed it to her. And you'll notice I obeyed immediately. I was like, sorry. They asked, we had to do it. Well, this is an unfortunate time to be like, so Sarah, what's your experience with the Goonies?

But, you know, we can wait. I'm getting there. Take your time. So when you're ready, so when you're ready to answer the question, tell us, what is your history with the Goonies okay i've actually never told anyone this story but when i was like six i used to go to this house where like it was one of those like home daycare places and there i just remember it being pandemonium there were just kids crawling around everywhere and so there was this like baby toddling around and some girls were like we're helping her walk

and i was like oh i can get in on that and then somebody was like come watch the goonies and i was like yeah i'm doing that and then i apparently dropped the baby wow i mean not you know not the the sloth kind of a way i was gonna going to say. A different way. Leading with the bottom? Leading with the bottom. The way they're supposed to go down. But yeah, The Goonies originally was a movie that I saw a bit of and felt an overpowering sense of shame

whenever it came up for years. And then I watched it like 10 years ago and it's charming enough that it overtook my overpowering self-loathing which is always huge that's powerful if only for a moment yeah do you know what became of that baby or did you leave that out on purpose i i think she's she recovered from that trauma I think she's doing okay if anyone knows about the fate of that baby

please come up to me is that baby here tonight? what if we were doing a Maury style like well guess what and bring them out she's here and she's pissed and she's gonna feed you hot dogs forcibly

it's Carly. And she's fucking furious. Oh my gosh. And this is how I die. It's okay. I don't remember, I'm sure that, I mean I had like a million cousins. I'm sure that I dropped one of them at some point. I remember

my dad once being like, well everyone drops their kid a couple times. It's just it's's all about angles. It's true. I do have a mysterious lump on my head. I mean, I don't know. That's why we have curly hair, you know, you don't have to worry about it. Caitlin, what's your history with the Goonies? I saw it i think once as a kid once again in college and not really at all aside from that it wasn't a movie i grew up with i was too busy and it was too busy watching indiana jones because that was for adults and i didn't like kid stuff that's not even true but uh i don't know it was mature content uh yeah i don't know it just it for some reason uh it wasn't one of the vhs's we had growing up so yeah i don't know i don't have much of a history

with it but i always i enjoy the idea of it i think more than the actual movie because there's some fucked up shit in the movie that we'll talk about yes um what's your history with it i yeah i hadn't seen it until two days ago i feel like there was such a wealth of uh movies about a group of uh young boys on bikes that would swear at each other during this era that like i you just sort of see like you could you could watch it you could watch E.T. you could watch the Goonies like there's like so many ragtag groups of boys that would each get to say shit one time yeah um so I thought I had maybe seen this movie because I was like oh it's a it's it's boys on bikes the movie um but I hadn't seen it and um yeah I I I'm interested to talk about it there's a lot to love about, and then some stuff that you're like, oh, no.

Which is our favorite kind of movie to cover on this show. It's true. I wish I had dropped a baby to this movie. That's a great story. It's also like, and then my memory of the movie is like of the smell of that like home daycare place, which like, you know know they never smell good that takes a while

to get over yeah I mean my mom ran a home daycare and our house was stinky but it is what it is we were being dropped as Mama Fratelli says kids suck

Mama Fratelli says kids suck. Mama Fratelli is the most complicated character in the movie. Truly. It's truly, she, I was never not shocked at like, and I, and I say this as an extreme positive, but how many times in the Goonies,

the kids flip from being in mortal danger to like fucking with each other again. Yeah. It's like a space of.5 seconds where it's like Mama Fratelli is about to cut Corey Feldman's tongue out and then two seconds later he's like, makes a pee pee joke. Oh, you gotta go to the bathroom.

It's the best. Those boys are on bikes alright. Mentally and physically. It's true. Should I do the recap? Let's do the recap. Okay. Thank you for that tepid applause.

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out of county jail with the help of his mom played by ann ramsey and his brother francis that's joey pants aka joe pantoliano they speed away and the cops are chasing them, but they escape. Then we meet a handful of kids who are the Goonies. That's the name of the movie. It's Mouth, played by Corey Feldman. He's like the mischievous little stinker. Yeah, he's got the hair. You can tell because of the way his hair is. You're like, oh, this kid's trouble.

We've got Data. That's Kihui got Data. That's Ki Hui Kwan. He's like and woo indeed. Data is the best character and if you disagree you have to leave the show. You gotta go.

I was blown away though at how Data if there's ever a character named Data in a media property that's gonna be the best character. Because it's also true of Star Trek. It's going to be the best character. Because it's also true of Star Trek. Data's the best character on that iteration of Star Trek and in The Goonies. You can debate me, but you'll lose.

You'll be wrong. His thing is he's like the gadget kid. He has all these gadgets. We've got Chunk. He's played by Jeff Cohen. And his thing is that a lot of fat jokes are made at his expense. We'll talk about it.

The element of his personality that they introduced that is not deeply offensive is that he's a serial liar and I wish they had leaned into that more because all of his lies are so funny. The first line is referenced as a janet jackson pete at his house once he's coming up with s-tier lies like he's really good

just stick to that so creative yeah uh we've got mikey that's sean aston and he's like our hero he's kind of like the straight man uh and then mikey's older brother is brand played by josh brolin and he's tough did people whistle a lot of people are like okay someone's were in the back snapping a thanos all right all right he does he out, and that's his thing. He has workout equipment. What's it called? Exercise equipment?

Okay. He's got springs. I was like, yeah, that would make you strong, wouldn't it? It's like resistance, like 80s resistance bands, which were, yes, springs. I don't understand it either. His mom thinks he ties himself up to work out. Maybe that was his excuse before. Could be.

Their mom, Brandon, Mikey's mom, is barely in the movie, but every time she's on screen, she is just in the trenches. She enters in an arm sling, and we don't know why. She walks in, she's got an arm sling and we don't know why. She walks in,

she's got an arm sling, she's like, well, my house is getting knocked down tomorrow and then her kids just are like, fuck you. They break her shit and then, yeah.

She's just having a bad day. All she has is that statue penis and they took that away from her as well. Why is that her favorite? She's horny, I guess. I don't know um okay so the goonies are best friends and it's their last weekend together before they all have to move away because where they live which is the goon docks of astoria oregon i believe Astoria, Oregon, I believe. Ever heard of it?

It is going to be bought up and turned into a country club. Which you pointed out, they already have a country club. Astoria already has a country club, which we see in the movie, so we're not sure why they need a second one, but that's what's happening. And their families don't have enough money to stop this from happening.

All the kids congregate at Mikey and Bran's house and they go into the attic because Mikey and Bran's dad have a bunch of like museum stuff up there. That they have yet to move off the premises even though their house is being demolished in 10 hours. Tomorrow, yeah. Yes.

And they find this map to buried treasure from I think like 1632. It is treasure that a pirate named One-Eyed Willie had stolen, but then he got trapped with his treasure. But as legend has it, he dug a bunch of caves and tunnels and made a bunch of booby traps for anyone who went looking for the treasure. We also learn about this guy named Chester Copperpot who searched for the treasure a few decades back, but he disappeared and never returned. So Mikey is like, hey, if we find this treasure,

we can keep the goondocks and we don't have to move. So Mikey, Mouth, Chunk, and Data decide to tie Brand up with his weird resistance band and run out of the house with the map and go on this quest for buried treasure. So it's at this point where you're like, oh, it's like the fellowship of the map because Sean Astin is right there,

but he's kind of more of the Frodo character than the Samwise character. Sean Astin is obsessed with going on a quest he loves it he really does he loves it we we it needs to be said that um Thanos is tied up to a to a Cyndi Lauper b-side yes yes and so the kids ride on their bikes to this place called Gold Rock Beach where they see three rocks that are also on the map. And they also have this doubloon that's kind of guiding them. And they like match things up. Oh, there's more hot dog eating.

I see. There's Fritos in here. There are. Yeah. So they're like matching things up with a doubloon and the map. And they figure out that they're supposed to walk 100 feet north, which brings them to this restaurant. Meanwhile, Brand has gotten loose and is chasing after them on this little bike with training wheels. Cute.

And he encounters this rich bully kid, Troy. He's with two girls, Andy, played by Carrie Green, and Steph, and that's Martha Plimpton. I like the Troy. You can tell he's the rich kid because he's wearing a visor. It doesn't say money on it, but it basically does.

80s rich guys were just so clear-cut in the way that they looked. Now we have like little elon musk looking villains i'm like i missed when it was just a guy with with bad hair with a visor that said money nice yes uh okay so the goonies reached the restaurant where they see a few people go inside so the kids go in but oh no it turns out that they were the three people from the prison break scene at the beginning of the movie the fratellis who are like what are you fucking kids

doing here and the goonies are scared and they're pretending to order food and to use the bathroom then mikey goes into the basement this is when he sees a man who is chained up we will learn that his name is sloth played by uh former nfl player john mastuzik did i say that right are you not a sports crowd what he want you want to um what's the game called? Football. It's called the Super Bowl. We're like playing into stereotypes right now. He won two Super Bowls.

And then he played Sloth. I mean, kind of an iconic run he had. Yes, yes. We'll talk more about this character yes we'll come back to sloth uh then brand shows up and helps the kids escape from the restaurant and then they're trying to figure out what to do they run into the two girls from earlier andy and steph the fratellis leave so they go back in the restaurant where they find a tunnel in the fireplace but that's when the fratelli show back up so the kids have no choice but to escape into the tunnel yes but chunk gets separated from them and the other kids

are like go to the police and he's like okay chunk is like haunted by this corpse for like multiple scenes yeah i just love um jeff cohen all of his like line reads are so funny and they it plays just like i don't know it he reminds me of so many kids i knew who were like this kid's speaking natural speaking volume is screaming where he like screams all of his lines and it make like it's even better than if someone was like hey jeff you don't gotta yell like it's it's better than he does because kids do that shit all the time where he's just like hi you're like oh my god um i love i love i love that kind of kid those are i feel like those are like my closest friends because if you're a quiet kid you need like natural volume screaming kids around yes to vocalize on your behalf balance

exactly yes so chunk is going to try to find the police and he escapes but the fratellis catch him right away and bring him back to the restaurant and start questioning him meanwhile the other goonies start making their way through the tunnel there's a scene with water pipes that's where you see the other or the already existing country club uh they find a skeleton they discover that it's chester copperpot the guy who went looking for the treasure like 50 years earlier right and so they're like haha bitch we made it further we're better than you um they accidentally set off one of uh oneEyed Willie's booby traps. Huge boulders are about to fall on them. They manage to escape.

Then they think for a minute that they found the treasure, but it turns out it's just like the interior of a wishing well. And they find Troy, that rich kid, is like above ground at the opening of the wishing well. This part is truly wild to me. Because Andy, at this point, understandably has had it. She's trapped in hell with kids she doesn't know. And she gets the opportunity to be brought back to the surface.

But then little Sean Astin gives such a powerful monologue that she agrees to remain in hell forever. Yes. It is so wild. That's what you cast him for. He's like, you gotta stay in hell for me, Sean Astin. For it. This is our hell.

It's our hell down here. Yes, so they realize that they could escape with troy's help but that's yeah mikey gives this impassioned speech where he's like chester copperput couldn't even get this far he's a loser and we're winners we're awesome we should keep going and then andy is like what if we die and mikey's like goonies never say die and And then she's like, what are you talking about? I don't know you. Is maybe what I would have said if I were in that position. Like, all right, well, best of luck with whatever the fuck you're talking about.

Goodbye. Yeah, do they even ever tell those girls what they're doing or what they're looking for? Well, no. I I was gonna try to fax and logic my way the answer is I think no yeah which I think is best expressed through Martha Plimpton who the whole time is like we I hate it I hate it I'm babysitting but I'm not getting paid exactly but your options are this are being sexually harassed in a car, so I guess it's this. That's what the 80s were like.

I guess framed that way, I would also agree to stay in hell. Okay, meanwhile, the Fratellis tie up Chunk with Sloth in the same room, and then they go into the tunnel after the Goonies. But Sloth breaks loose from his chains, and then he and Chunk head into the tunnel as well. The Goonies set off another booby trap. Data falls through the floor into another room. Everyone follows him down there, and then there's a scene where Andy kisses Mikey, thinking he's Brand. The fact that they have time for this

in the middle of being in hell is just like... But don't, like, isn't it so relatable? Like, when you want to have your first kiss with someone you're interested in, you're like, I'm going to call you from several rooms away. I'm going to stand here with my eyes closed. And I'm just going to see what happens. And I'm going to trust that my friend,

if the wrong person shows up, my best friend would definitely tell me. He'll definitely tell me. Why would she not tell me? No, my best friend definitely doesn't secretly hate me. And want me to make out with a 12-year-old. It is just a really bizarre sequence. Andy is a 12 year old. It is just a really bizarre sequence. Andy is a really

bizarre character. We'll come back to her. Yes. This is also in the middle of them all like taking a piss break. They're like we gotta pee but also let's kiss in the middle of our pee break. Caitlin you brought up when we were watching this together you were just like getting progressively more and more frustrated

because of how wet the kids were getting all the time. You were just like, how are they going to keep the map together? During the wishing well scene, Sean Astin just stands under a fountain for like five minutes. And then there's one line where like for seemingly no reason Corey Feldman's character is like

standing, completes his line of dialogue and then just flops down into the water apropos of nothing and I think that it's just like if you're directing a 511 year old they're just going to do that, and you're just like, well, I guess that's the take we have.

He unfortunately flopped down at the end, but he completed the line. Yeah, they were very, there was too much water. Okay, towel these kids off, yeah. That's a problem the state has, generally. We just have too much water around. We just have to work with it. Is that Oregonian representation?

I imagine it was really cold, too. Because we know it's not summer. Because they're like, this is a summer restaurant. And it's only open during the summer. But it's not summer right now. So why are people going in there? So it's like fall, maybe winter. And they're still just like,

they're so wet and cold. For the whole movie. And also most deaths from hypothermia happen when it's in the 40s. Very stressful. I was stressed. I do respect Richard Donner because it's like the only thing that sounds harder than

directing a movie that only has 12-year-olds in it is wet 12-year-olds. It just sounds like the only thing that sounds harder than directing a movie that only has 12 year olds in it is wet 12 year olds it just sounds like the hardest task possible horrible okay so the fratellis are right behind the goonies and the goonies are like rushing to get away from them there's this piano related obstacle uh that's the great feminist moment, Tina. They're like, wait, woman play piano. Badly. Wow, yeah. But it's allowed.

Yeah. And then they finally make it into the main cavern and find One-Eyed Willie's pirate ship and all of his treasure. So they start loading their pockets with the treasure, but uh-oh the fratelli show up they take the treasure away they're about to kill the children but then chunk and sloth show up to save the day the there's you know a battle and the goonies escape back to the

surface their parents show up as do the rich people who are trying to displace them for this second country club and Mikey's dad is about to sign over their land but then it's revealed that they smuggled some jewels at least one of which is the heart of the ocean from Titanic and the close-up shot of those jewels are so funny because they're so visibly from like eye party that they're like we have it the treasure and you're like oh buddy um but it's enough money that they don't have to turn over their land and so they live happily ever after chunk is like sloth you can live with me and my family. And everyone has like a nice reunion with their parents.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To listen to new episodes one week early and 100% ad-free, subscribe to the iHeart True Crime Plus channel, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Well, before we get started talking about the characters, Sarah, I'm curious, as an Oregonian, how does this fare? You mentioned that there's a lot of movies

that take place in Astoria, specifically. I'm not aware. There's a lot of movies that take place and or are filmed there, and my favorite is Free Willy, because there's endless scenes where they're like, we're in Portland under a bridge we're in Astoria, we're in Pioneer Square

we're in Astoria and it's like yes we all want Astoria to be five minutes away and yet it isn't and we all have to live with that and then Kindergarten Cop and Short Circuit are the other to me the biggest story in movies so if you're like an 80s movie buff

you can, or 80s to early 90s i guess you can knock out four biggies there and i and also green room which we were just talking about yeah the opening was filmed there um and i feel like it's just because like it's a very or a story is a very picturesque city so i feel like it makes sense as a place that you would film but i one of the things i love about this is an oregon movie is that i do feel like it makes sense as a place that you would film. But one of the things I love about this as an Oregon movie is that I do feel like it depicts our weather well. Because a lot of movies that are set in Oregon, either it'll be totally sunny and bone dry, like Stand By Me, which is great. We are bone dry in the summer. Love that. But then when they're

like, it is Oregon and raining, it'll be like a blade runner downpour and i love that the goonies is like no everyone's just like moist and you feel like shit and that's the whole thing which i guess is why the kids are so unfazed to be constantly introduced into new levels we don't care kids actually, we don't actually sexually reproduce here. Babies just like grow on fallen logs like mushrooms.

And you just harvest them. Wow. That's like a whole job industry. It's a whole industry, yeah. That's wild, because if you said the job name baby harvester to me, that's just like not where my mind would have gone but maybe that's a me issue.

It's all about how you harvest the babies. Right. There is ethical ways. It's about sustainability. That's so cool. This is like I mean it is always really cool to feel a very specific sense of place with movies like these. There was a big moment for my hometown this year when the Anya Taylor-Joy character in the menu

ended up being from my hometown, and they said it as not a net negative. Right. And it was like, people were just thrilled to think that someone who's as hot as Anya Taylor-Joy could come from where we live. It was pretty thrilling. So today is Groundhog Day. Happy Groundhog Day, everybody. And Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania is like a 20-minute drive from my hometown.

So that's kind of my hometown's claim to fame movie-wise. That's so bad. But have you ever been to the the un-she thing of the... They don't kill the crown dog, right? I'm confusing it with like when for some reason the American president like

like meets the turkey that he'll be eating later in the day and it like meets the turkey that he'll be eating later in the day and it like forgives it I don't know what happens apologizes

forgives it I don't really know it's the turkey pardon you pardon the turkey yeah and then you know you also have the option

to like chase the turkey across Paris for 20 years oh wow in a futile quest to like stop law-breaking. You can do either one. I think that that should be something

that's introduced for every major holiday. The American president should have to do that for Santa Claus. Oh, my God, the Easter bunny party. The Easter bunny. I gotta pardon that bunny. The Easter bunny, honestly, deserves to die

yes I think so I mean for Easter you could also bring out Jesus I guess he's gonna get it anyways so I guess it doesn't matter if the president eats him just an idea for holidays well to answer your question no they don't kill the groundhog i can't get to them they do they take him out of his tunnel where i imagine he's down there

looking for buried treasure and they're like hey Punxsutawney Phil do you see your shadow? And he's always like yes I do. And so there's always six more weeks of winter. The end. Damn. Boring holiday. They should kill him. That would really raise the stakes. I think you'd get more people out there. I agree.

Yeah. Yeah. Alright. The Goonies. The movie. Well, we wanted to start by talking about the character of Sloth. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's, I think, been sort of a wide variety of discussion about the character of Sloth over the years. He is certainly coded as having a disability and has been thoroughly rejected and abused

by his own family as a result of being disabled. I don't believe that we get any specificity outside of the joke that Mama Fratelli dropped him at least two times.

Right. I only dropped that baby one time. And she's fine. And then Sloth rightfully tosses Mama Fratelli overboard. Throw Mama from the pirate ship. Swish. That was a good joke if it was 1988, which it isn't. Right. that was a good joke if it was 1988 which it isn't right so so we've talked a lot about on the show about disabilities being ascribed to villains uh in media as a way to other them and further villainize them interestingly sometimes in the case of like pirate characters

where there's kind of like an overlap there true true yeah um and this obviously has like horrible ableist implications yes um but even though sloth is associated with the villains because he's a part of the family he ends up being one of the heroes he rejects his family for having rejected him like you said they're they're wildly abusive to him. And so there's this kind of subversion of that trope. It doesn't mean, though, that the representation is great. Obviously, so the actor playing Sloth is not a disabled actor. And they used a lot of like makeup and prosthetics to turn John Mastuzak into sloth I thought there were a lot of tropes commonly

associated with disabled characters kind of like all kind of amalgamated into this one character where he has like he's portrayed as like worthy of pity he's ostracized from his community. I do think it's good that he and Chunk connect as the misfits of their respective groups and then form a super alliance and save the day. That is the coolest fucking thing in the world. But the way he's initially presented is like,

and also he has super super strength um they're just like all of these sort of it feels like random broad stereotypes kind of like thrown into his character absolutely but the character is a hero right so and then well it also means that like the most physically othered character in the movie is the most mistreated and while there is a historical precedent for people with like atypical physical traits or people with disabilities to be mistreated it doesn't mean that we need to see that happening all the time especially in a kids movie because like drawing attention to a character's disability in that way is the opposite of normalizing disability

which is what we're aiming for i would be i mean i would be curious to hear um sort of more uh more viewers opinions uh spit oh no um specifically uh disabled listeners of of their take because i've seen sort of a wide variety like I've seen a lot of reclaiming arguments for Sloth and like he's certainly like a character that we're rooting for the entire time but there's like his character is so mired in all of these

stereotypes at the same time it's like a very 80s dilemma yes it's complicated it is alright well dilemma yes yeah it's complicated it is um all right well that's the bummer on that one the bummer portion of the evening um no but i mean i i think i do think that sloth and chunks uh relationship is really sweet and beautiful.

I mean, I would say that I don't think that like, Sloth's character was written with any intended malice, but that in the 80s it was just like not well handled. And that there wasn't a lot of precedent for handling or even really thinking very much about writing disabled characters, which is a net negative. But yeah. very much about writing disabled characters, which is a net negative. Right.

But, yeah. Yes. I also wanted to bring up that Mikey has asthma and uses an inhaler. Oh, my God. I'm all so... You're looking for the word finger. You're right. Yeah.

He uses an inhaler multiple times um and a respiratory disability is often ascribed to villains in movies think of a morton joe and mad max fury road you've got darth vader bane in batman is that an example i don't remember that movie very well. Whenever anyone says Bane, you can just see a flicker in a bunch of men's eyes of like, I have an impression for that. And you're like, I'm sure you do. But I don't need to hear it. The year that that movie came out was like on par with the year Borat came out

of just like 14 year old boys are gonna have a fucking field day with this and I'm never gonna hear the end of it it's also like anyone can do it you just do a Sean Connery with too much spit in your mouth and then just pitch it down anyways we were talking about Mikey yes yes yes so just to say say that it's not the case in The Goonies that a character with a respiratory illness or disability is one of the villains, because Mikey is the hero.

He's the leader. Although at the end, there is a cast-off line where he throws away his inhaler as if this journey has cured him. Yes. So it is very thoroughly the 80s in every single way in this movie um but i yeah i noticed

that as well i think the last the last um element of this movie that's very deeply 80s and still discussed pretty frequently is um how chunk's character is treated both in his literal nickname and just how the character is, you know, repeatedly ridiculed for what he looks like and for his body type. And that again, it's like, there's obviously a huge precedent for that in society, but it's like,

especially with a movie as successful as the Goonies to have a fat actor be repeatedly ridiculed by characters that we like um in a movie intended for children that's not going to move the needle in any meaningful way it's going to make it worse right um because every i would say every scene he's in it's either uh his friends fat shaming him and making him do some kind of like body shaming humiliation type Like the, the truffle shuffle is an extreme example of this, or he's just always characterized as being famished. He's always thinking about food, but he's like putting himself in danger sometimes to be like,

I'm so hungry. I don't even notice the danger around me. I would say that the same thing kind of happens with Andy's character where she's so horny for Thanos. I do think it's like a similar thing where it's like oh our like our leaning uh female character is so wildly horny that she'll almost die constantly and our only fat character it's like it's it just it feels like a similar kind of move yeah um is where I mean I like knew what the truffle shuffle was even though i have like avoided not avoided but i've like managed to not see this movie for three decades

and i still knew what the truffle shuffle was again mostly because of like men's t-shirts that i would see on the gym was like why am i looking at this who is this child yeah he doesn't seem um i wanted to share really quickly because uh down line, I think this was just a couple of years ago, the director of this movie, Richard Donner, who seems very, very well loved by the entire cast, he's passed away since, but he and Jeff Cohen, who plays Chunk, later did an interview about this scene

because it had become so iconic. Jeff Cohen did not act into adulthood. He's actually now a really high-powered Hollywood lawyer. And so sometimes people just, they're like, call Chunk. I don't know. Or maybe Chunk will call me. That's what I want.

My Chunk will call your Chunk. Talk to my Chunk. I'm sure that's such a fun thing to happen to him every single day. But I did want to just draw attention to this interview because I do always like that when there are scenes and moments and tropes like this, when people reflect on it later in a more kind of thoughtful way,

because that's really what we're able to ask of them. Richard Donner said of that scene, there was no direction. I don't take any credit for that. It was just Jeff. He had to stand on that stump and be ridiculed by his friends so he could come in the house, and he did it as best as that character could do it.

So much humor comes from pain, although I'm sure he was too young to be analytical about it, but I'm sure that was part of his instincts. It was a painful scene to film. And then later in the interview, this does not make Richard Donner sound very good, after the movie had finished wrapping, he said that he then got Jeff Cohen a gym membership and a trainer, quote, he lost lots of weight and built this great physique and became captain of his wrestling team in high school captain of his football team and blah blah blah blah blah and

um i don't know i mean i i think that fucking sucks yeah um and uh jeff cohen has uh spoken to this um a bit as well and said that like you know it was like a an embarrassing and like shameful experience to be asked to do that also without direction so it's like you're not even being really like protected by your own director right um and that like he was like having you know difficulty being teased already and then had to do the scene on top of it and then the other thing he said that was kind of funny is he was like, I also had chicken poxed at the time. Yes, I read that. And I didn't want the kids to know I had chicken pox.

I was like, two questions. Are you allowed to go to work with chicken pox? Well, I read that he didn't tell anyone because he was afraid he would be fired and recast. So he went to... Oh my God. Yeah. Well, that is very upsetting.

I just wanted to... I mean, I think Jeff Cohen has since very much moved on and still has very positive associations with the movie. But it was just interesting to kind of read those reflections. Also, it's like if the director's like, yeah, it was a really uncomfortable scene to film. It's like maybe take a step back and wonder why and then don't film the scene like right the other thing i wanted to say about chunk is that he's he's characterized as being like the biggest

scaredy cat of the group in that he's like not as tough or as brave as the other kids he like gives up his friends immediately when the fratellis are like what what are you doing here he's like we're looking for buried treasure and all my friends are over there well he has to talk like that he has to yell it's who he is well it's not so much the volume is that he didn't even try to lie about it um and i feel like this is a common movie trope where especially in kids movies kids movies like making a fat character the kind of like scared and quote-unquote wimpy kid and we talked about this i think on the matilda episode uh the way that media kind of feminizes fat men or boys and masculinizes fat women or girls

not that that is a bad thing at all but the movie wants you to think that that like a female character or a femme, a woman would have masculine traits, the movies would be like ew gross, because movies love binaries

yes, even when it comes to cave bathrooms it's gotta be binary as possible but i feel like the movie is like oh look at look at this wimpy fat kid who is not as brave or tough as his thin friends which is ridiculous too because it's like chunk is consistently right in a lot of situations where like he's the one that's like yeah don't go into the murder house and they're like shut up chunk and i was like chunk is right he's right he's correct you shouldn't go into the murder house you just shouldn't yeah i i i think that like there's so much to love about his character and like there's so many elements and so many moments where it's like this kid fucking rules like and it's just kind of like burdened with this other

very dated stuff for sure and also i never noticed this before but like he's the only character who's jewish and this is referenced many times yes yes we love it i see you Shana and you're like that's so great that there's a Jewish main character and also he's the scaredy cat liar who no one likes like that sucks yeah I mean I didn't even catch

that on my first viewing because Chunk is already so thoroughly disrespected that like that on my first viewing because Chunk is already so thoroughly disrespected that that on top of 80s movies just make my head hurt, honestly. It's just brutal. Let's talk about the best

character, Data. Data! No, no! Love him! Oscar for Data. Please consider. It's so cool that Data's going to win an Oscar next month. He's so going to win an Oscar. He is.

If he doesn't win an Oscar, some heads will roll, and that's not metaphorical. We'll all get the Data punching vest. Slippery shoes. Slick shoes. Pinschers of peril. His inventions are so cool. I just think he's the coolest character ever.

There are some line reads that are just the best thing I've ever heard. He falls through things multiple times. And I think the last time, he falls through a surface. Everyone else takes the stairs down. He's like i spent months working on my inventions and my ideas god it was just like the greatest line read i'd ever heard it was just like amazing he's the best he's the best and i i did like uh i mean data there's like a number of times in the plot where data is the only non-white goonie yes um and he also i mean

i i felt like particularly for a movie of the 80s he's treated very equitably uh within the group and there's times because he is like the gadget kid that uh like he's the only person that can get them out of certain situations um there's like multiple plot points that couldn't happen without it's like shoes that come or like whatever those were he was like no guys don't worry i have cum shoes and you're like all right data let's see if this works and it does it works it's great because he's been getting up in the morning and putting on all that gear like every day for years yeah and waiting for it to pay waiting and he knew the day would come and this is the day and we get to be part of it every day for years. Yeah. And waiting for it to pay off. Waiting.

And he knew the day would come, and this is the day, and we get to be part of it. Yeah, and it's all the same day. He has so many belts. I was like, how many belts is this kid wearing? He's more belt than boy now. I just, yeah, I mean, this character's the greatest. And I feel like at the end of the movie,

you get to see, I think, almost every kid's parents and them reunite with their parents. And Data, by far, has, like, the most memorable, sweetest reunion with his parents where he sees his dad, and his dad's also a gadget guy. Yeah. And then, like, something, his weird invention isn't working, and then his dad says to Data,

you're the greatest invention of all. And you're like, oh, wow. Sometimes coming is the greatest invention. And I was reminded of that in that moment. I just really, yeah, I just think Data's a perfect character, and I love him. He's great, yeah. He's like the token minority friend

in an otherwise entirely white cast. Yes. This movie has Italians in it. It's diverse. You're right. The diversity of joey pan um and those characters are treated very respectfully uh the italians no notes there um great representation singing opera and doing crimes the whole movie. The whole spectrum of being Italian. You take a break from crime to sing a little opera,

and then you're right back to it. Yep, yep, yep. But yeah, Data rocks is the moral of the story. That's true. Should we talk about the gals? Yes, let's do it. Because I guess that Brand kind of factors into that. Because Mikey and Brand,

quick moment, I really liked their brother relationship. There's specific scenes in these Spielberg-y Boys on Bikes movies where I just, it's so fun, where there's a moment where Thanos puts his arm around Sean Astin. It just kind of lovingly drags him off of a porch.

Which is definitely something that kids do, but you never see it committed to the movie because why would Thanos do that? But I just loved it. I was like, oh yeah, I would have done that to my brother if he was sad. Just been like, I love you,

and then drag him out of the room. Yeah, I appreciated that brother relationship dynamic. So we have the two girls, Andy and Steph. They're not part of the main Goonies group, at least at first. They show up after the boys have already started the adventure. They're not even fully informed what they're doing in this tunnel, I don't think.

It's unclear if they know what the Goonies are until she's convinced to not be removed from hell. She's like, he's like, no, you're one of us now. Right. And she's like, okay. Okay. Andy especially is often having a meltdown in a way that felt very like girls be screaming and scared kind of way i mean to be fair were i in hell i would be screaming and scared um however yeah the way that like she's there's like that there's like one particular meltdown where i mean i guess to contextually

where she's coming from she like is coming off of a situation where she had been sexually harassed in a car by uh the guy with the money visor yes yeah and she says that he like tried to look down her shirt and she like elbowed him in the face was that right yeah yeah and then she immediately went to hell like she's just like having the worst day. That's what happens. Yeah. It truly is. What if the movie is canonically, is canonically, everyone has to say something filthy accidentally on this tour. But what if it's canonically, like,

all of her vision after she was trying to get out of the car with the money visor guy, and this is all kind of a fantasia that she's dreaming for all of us it would give her more to do that's but even in her own fantasy she's still a secondary character she doesn't even get to that's how it is for me you know in my fantasies i also don't get to kiss my crush. I end up with the wrong person. There is, like, I don't know.

I think, like, Andy is, she has, like, good moments. I feel like generally she is, like, sort of passed over and done a disservice. But I do like that, you know, normally when you see cheerleader characters, they're not nice. They're, like, typed as, like, quote-unquote bitchy, mean characters. Andy's a sweetheart. I think that she's just often too horny to live. Like, that kind of is sort of something that happens to her a lot. I mean, relatable for me. Sure.

But did Andy ever say she was a role model? No, she didn't. But why can't there be horny role models? You know, they are. Both of the girls are framed as love interests for a number of characters because brand likes Andy. Mikey also seems to have a crush on her and is really excited when he kisses

her accidentally. That scene is so weird um and then steph ends up with mouth after they've both nagged each other relentlessly throughout the entire movie yeah i guess that martha plimpton at one point got so annoyed at cory feldman who was famously annoying that she like pushed him Maybe that's why he fell in the water. That's why he flopped. He flopped because he was a voice. He's ducking a punch.

No, yeah, I, Steph, I thought like, I mean, I'm, I feel like I connected to Steph where it's like, she wears glasses and that's the character. But I guess I was sort of like of two minds about her where she is like very much the voice of reason friend, but she has like elements of like, I think it's kind of fun that she's diabolical enough to not tell her friend one day

because it's the wrong person. Like there are a few elements where you're like, well, this is pretty specific to who this person is. You pointed out that like Mouth only becomes interested in her after her glasses break. And you're just like, well, great.

Cause you were like, yeah, you're like, Oh, it's, it's nice that like the best friend character who wears glasses gets a love interest. Cause that normally doesn't happen.

And then I was like, but she only becomes a love interest after she loses her glasses. Yeah. So glasses, people don't deserve love according to movies. Said Caitlin Durante confidently, making eye contact with someone wearing glasses. You all saw it.

It's also like, isn't her love interest like 12? Yeah. It's like you can find love after you can't see, and then it's a good thing that you can't see because you're going to get hooked up with a seventh grader. Okay. Also at the end, when Andy goes to Mikey and she's like,

he's a weirdo. She's like, you keep kissing girls the way you do. You won't have any problems. And the parts of you that don't work, we'll catch up with the ones that do. I'm like, what does she mean? Write it in your journal. and the parts of you that don't work will catch up with the ones that do. I'm like, Andy, jail?

What does she mean? Write it in your journal. There's like, I mean, there's... We have like, I feel like it's in the past five years that we've stopped making movies for kids where like a 12-year-old boy gets to make out with a female character who's like clearly way too old for him.

Like, do you remember Blank Check? That's a whole other conversation that was brutal that's like sandlot oh right yes absolutely uh it is it is just an absolutely uh weird line and then everyone's their parents are watching when she says that and they're like, yeah, yeah. Whatever that means, probably normal. That was really nice of you to say that to that boy. That'll mean something to him. He'll think of it every night. And then she just turns around

and starts making out with Brand again and Brand is also like, does he know that happened? Like, it's so, Andy is ultimately, I just think kind of a weird character the last thing i want to say about her and then we have uh we got to uh do our fun activity we have an activity yeah as her first kind of like meltdown which again i understand why she's kind of like you know like panicked when she's brought to hell but her reaction is like, she's like, I wouldn't be here if I had just let Troy look at my body.

I'm going to die here. Is my body beautiful? And I was like, again, a journal, more of a journal thing. Save it for your one-woman show at the Astoria Playhouse

where Clark Gable got his start. It's true. Really? Yeah. Wild. Oregonian. Real shitty guy. It's true. Really? Yeah. Wild. Oregonian. Real shitty guy.

Let's move on. Yeah. And it's also like, I think that the most important thing with scenes like that where you're like, oh, I don't know what to make of that. You just have to picture Chris Columbus at his house writing it down. And you're like, no, that's a weird line of dialogue. Chris Columbus on a fucking like old word processor that's like the size of dialogue. Chris Columbus on a fucking old word processor that's the size of a building being like,

my body is not beautiful enough. He's like, this is how girls think, right? I don't know. I've never talked to one. He's like, and print. We got another classic. And he was right. And then he opens up another file and he's like,

how do I solve this babysitting movie they're forced to sing the blues perfect like it's just uh chris columbus is an interesting character uh the last thing i want to say about andy is um i i was surprised that she was able to like have that moment where she contributed a skill and like got them out of peril i was not expecting that at all i will say though that the things that the boys are doing to overcome the obstacles are more like physical things and hers is more artistic which feels a little tropey of like boys are tough and they do sporty they get to swashbuckle and girls are fragile.

So they play piano. Yeah. But I mean, she doesn't do it. Well, I don't know. I don't know. That makes it better or worse.

And then brand is like, why couldn't I have a little sister? I would never be in this mess if I had a sister as if sisters don't like to go on adventures. As if a sister couldn't lead you directly to hell she knows the way she can feel it in her bones i led my siblings straight to hell all the time okay exactly um okay so this is when we in the live show when we went into that special segment where we did the trivia game with Sarah Marshall. Again, you can see that segment if you, you know, buy access to the on-demand version of

the show on the link tree is where you can find the like tickets to access that. But we wanted to also take this opportunity to add in a chunk, haha, get it, chunk of discussion that we didn't have time to get to during the live show. So we are doing it now. Yes. And you may recall, if you attended our Seattle show that we did talk about it at our Seattle show, but it just makes more sense to do it in this way. We wanted to talk about the character of Rosalina played by iconic character actor Lupe Antiveros yes so she is hired by Mikey and Bran's mom to like help them move and basically what's happening with this character is that a number of stereotypes about people from Latin America are employed with this character yes she cannot speak English she is present in the story to service the white characters she's in a role where she's like the hired help and a ton of jokes

are made at her expense because she doesn't know english and so what happens is mouth is asked to translate mikey's mom's instructions to rosalita and then he mistranslates it and it's like all of the jokes are probably I mean I would be interested in how this was handled internationally but all for English-speaking audiences all of the jokes are in the uh the lower thirds are in in the subtitles about how he is misleading her and it's like the joke is at is both at Rosalita's expense and also just done to like elevate mouth's character as like a little stinker like it is just it's reductive in every way that you could imagine not to like and and and it isn't like the same amount of like punitive shame is not applied to Mikey and Bran's mom for not being able to communicate with rosalita right like they are having the same communication barrier but it is in a very racist

way like leveraged at rosal like she's the one who who suffers for it and is mocked for it yeah yeah and it's mouth being cruel because it's him like deliberately mistranslating what Mikey's mom is saying in order to like freak Rosalita out. Because he's saying things like, oh, this is where they keep the like cocaine stash. And this is where the sex torture chamber is and stuff like that. So it's just him being cruel to a character. And just like, again, the joke is at the expense of someone not knowing English. Right. And then Rosalita does come back at the end of the movie with those really fake looking jewels that they find.

Yeah. yeah but again it's it's even though that um she's not mocked in that moment she's very much like a tool for the scene versus being treated as a character because you would think right you know if i'm rosalita and i've only been treated like shit this entire time i'm pocketing these jewels and getting the fuck out of there right maybe if i'm feeling nice i'll slip them one yeah but like that's not on the mind of this movie because this movie is not considering her in any way like you would think she would get at least something but it's like this that's just not the um consideration that this movie is giving anyone who is not the main cast and and I think it's so i don't know it's very 80s i wanted to um we talked about this at the seattle show um lupe andaveros like she i think most famously at least

to me played yolanda in the selena movie with jennifer lopez but uh for the most part her career in hollywood has consisted of roles like these to the point where she made a documentary about it called Made in America because she had played a maid at least 150 times on stage and screen and is a huge advocate for wanting to see more and better roles available. Not that a maid is a bad role, but like a more diverse amount of roles available to latin actors um she said quote i'm proud to represent those hands that labor in this country i've given every maid i've ever portrayed soul and heart which is absolutely true and comes through even when the writing is not giving her what she deserves for sure sure. But I just wanted to, she's, she's a legend and it is frustrating to see her have to receive these underthought, underwritten,

um, very stereotypical and racist roles. So shout out to Rosalita. Yeah. I love you. And then the other thing that we didn't get to talk about, uh, during the live show that we wanted to touch on really quick was class.

Yeah. Because the whole story unfolds because these kids who are from working class families are being forcibly removed from their homes in favor of a country club being built, which is a very 80s premise where it's like there's a country club there's a shopping mall something like that it's all yeah very very 80s threats they feel quaint now but still bad right the world is on fire um no but this is like a legitimate issue um although i will say that you know people being displaced from their homes and forced to relocate uh disproportionately affects people of color and indigenous people absolutely um and as we discussed these kids are mostly white with the exception of data but it's still I think worth mentioning that class plays a big part in this movie it's a it's a major theme that

again these working class kids they have to go on this journey just so they don't uh have to leave their homes and have their lives be uprooted and we see them talking at the beginning like they're lamenting that like this is the last time they're ever going to see each other and they're going to have to go to different schools and be kind of torn apart yeah and i think that that is one of the things that i know this isn't the spielberg movie technically but it's very spielberg coded his fingerprints are very much on it yeah um and i think that that is something that is pretty consistent throughout this like era of Spielberg is that like it does generally. The unfortunate part is it always focuses on white boys. But in terms of class representation, I feel like you do see a lot of working class or lower middle class like families just getting by,

which is something that I don't think you see in big hollywood movies as much these days um and so i it's always kind of nice to to see it definitely and back to the show folks yeah all right well give it up for sarah marsh more time. Really, really well done. We just have two questions we answer at the end of every Bechdel cast. I feel like I'm going to choke. Do you want me to talk? Does the movie pass the Bechdel test?

I don't think it does, right? I don't think it does. There's arguably a very, very small exchange between Steph and Andy that may, but I think spiritually it really just doesn't. But most importantly, there's one unquestionable metric that's never been wrong before, and that's the Bechdel-Cast-Nipple scale.

That's true. Yeah, give it up. Thank you. yeah give it up Caitlin it seems like you were gonna like throw something at them you better clap for the nipple scale it is a scale of zero to five nipples on which we rate the movie looking at it through

an intersectional feminist lens I think that despite some kind of like reclaimable things from the movie regarding certain characters overall it doesn't do very well it has 80s movie written all over it and i think i would only give it like a half nipple and i'm gonna give it to kiwi Kwan yeah because he's the best yeah I'm gonna go one nipple because I'm feeling I'm feeling so I mean I had a hot dog I'm in a good mood and I don't wonder I mean yeah I think that there yeah like you're saying there there are reclaimable elements we didn't get to talk about the

racism applied towards the only Latin character in the movie we'll talk about the racism applied towards the only Latin character in the movie. We'll talk about that off mic later or on mic at a different state. Whatever. But yeah, I think that there is some diversity in this movie, but it's barely any and

more often than not handled particularly well. The women are so horny. more often than not handled particularly well. And the women are so horny. Which is a relatable thing, but we talked about it. You understand what I'm saying.

I do feel like I'm getting the meat sweats a little bit right now. So it's kind of like freaking me out. Okay, so I would give this movie one nipple and I'm going gonna give it to carly who brought me a hot dog give it up for carly feminist icon carly sarah hmm um one nipple way way up

i tried one perky nip one perky nip yeah because it's I mean it's like it's so riddled with the problems of its era but also I watched 16 candles yesterday and so like within the 80s it feels I don't know it's like that there's like a whole other this length-long conversation to be had about like 80s meanness and what do we do with it but like you know the um the sort of like generalized like maliciousness culturally of the decade is so there but like malice by characters doesn't feel so pronounced in the way that it does elsewhere which is like a terrible scale to drag John, but woohoo! Thrilling. Who would you like to give your nipple to? I want to give my nipple to

Alfred Molina. He deserves it. He does. He could have been any part in this movie. He could have been Mikey. He could have been Andy. You know, just like corny in a tunnel.

He's a chameleon. I think it would have been really fun if this movie was about four 12-year-olds and Alfred Molina playing a 12-year-old. I think it would have been really special. Just Pen15 with Alfred Molina. He could do it. He has the ring. We deserve it. Or maybe we're not worthy of it.

You deserve it. None of the ring. We deserve it. Or maybe we're not worthy of it. You deserve it. None of the rest of us do. Thank you. Oh my gosh. I thank you so much for being here, Sarah Marshall. Give it up for Sarah. The greatest person ever. Give it up for yourselves for coming out.

Give it up for Curious Comedy and all their wonderful staff here. So there you have it. That was the live show that we recorded in February in Portland at the beautiful Curious Comedy Theater. We had the best time. Thank you again to Sarah Marshall. If you don't know who Sarah Marshall marshall is take your head

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