The Bechdel Cast - The Nightmare Before Christmas with Natalie McGill

Episode Date: December 6, 2018

'Twas The Nightmare Before Christmas, and all through the house, Jamie and Caitlin were stirring with special guest Natalie McGill on this live episode recorded at Drafthouse Comedy Theater in Washington DC!(This episode contains spoilers)For Bechdel bonuses, sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com/bechdelcast.Follow @NatalieSMcGill on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @jamieloftusHELP Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. The Bechdelcast. Welcome to the Bechdelcast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante. And you knew that. So here we are in the flesh. Yeah. How are you? I'm great. We just ate some burgers together. I love a small whoop of association. Just like, I also have been there. You're like, hell yeah, great. Oh, there's a feminist icon Gail shirt.

Oh my gosh. She is a feminist icon. I saw you in the lobby wearing the shirt, and I'm first of all shocked anyone bought that shirt, and I'm so thrilled that someone bought it. And I'm pretty sure both people who bought that shirt, because there are only two, we have met in person now. Which is great. Very high retention rate.

Yeah, we're stoked to be here. We're talking about The Nightmare Before Christmas. Oh, so clap if you saw the movie, you've seen the movie, did your homework, et cetera. Now, by round of applause, who has not seen The Nightmare Before Christmas? Okay. Oh, wait, no, no, we heard.

Don't be shy. Take up space. Yes, queen, go off, et cetera, other platitudes. There will be a caitlin's famous recap to clue everyone in who hasn't seen the movie also nothing happens in this movie it's like not a big deal it's mostly expositional songs it's 90 percent uh yeah that is a lot of it. Caitlin likes this movie. No, I... Okay. Sorry to out you as a hot topic manager, but Caitlin likes this movie. I grew up... Well, we'll get into our histories.

We'll get into it. Yeah. Well, you know, but for any listeners at home, if you don't know what the show is or if you don't... Because people bring a friend and they're like why am i here and who are these people and you anyone else hi okay hi wait clap if you're random oh wow oh okay awesome okay okay this will be fun okay so we're annoying and that's all you need to know so we uh analyze uh famous movies using the bechdel test as a popping oh i'm gonna say as a popping off point jump jumping off jumping off point right as a popping off point we pop off to the bechdel test two sips of beer and I'm violently drunk.

I don't know. So we talk about the portrayal of women in movies, one movie at a time, and we use the Bechdel test to initiate that conversation. The Bechdel test being you apply it to the movie. It requires that a movie has two named female identifying characters who speak to each other about something other than a man. just two lines of dialogue that's our standard that's our bar very low bar and yet you think so many movies did you see this movie do not pass women may not be in

the same room in some movies let's do a quick demo of the Bechdel test oh Oh, sure. Hey, Caitlin. Hey, Jamie. There is a pimple I've been trying to manifest off of my face. Okay. And it's not working. It's getting spitefully larger. I'm sorry. I think you're beautiful just the way you are. Well, not that a woman's beauty. Oh, my God beauty should matter. Grasping at straws. It is an offensively large pimple that I have graciously covered, but it can speak as a face. That passes the Bechdel test. Doesn't have to be interesting or good.

It just has to be not about a man okay uh she's a stand-up comic right here in dc and she's a writer and on-air correspondent for the political satire show redacted tonight on rt america give it up for natalie mcgill wow such a warm reception. Thank you. Hi Natalie. Hi. Thanks for being here. Oh my gosh. So tell us about your history, your relationship to this movie.

Okay, so full disclosure, I used to be scared. I avoided this movie, The Plague, for the longest time. Because as a child, used to be like deathly afraid for some reason of like stop motion any type of stop motion and like claymation animation so like for the longest time like i couldn't deal with like california raisins i couldn't do california raisins i couldn't do any of like the christmas specials that air on CBS I couldn't do chicken run see all right I I have like a special place in my heart for like chicken run and uh what's the other one uh sheep Wallace and Gromit like like I get I get stomach those but it was like even like like deep cuts like the the claymation and like the speed demon music video and like what they're

like for Michael Jackson like I couldn't do it so it was like a really long time before I watched the movie. Okay, so when did you see it? Probably saw it like a couple years ago but like I don't know like I the songs are kind of cheesy I'm not gonna lie but like I could I could kind of kind of get into it. Jamie, what's your history? I thought I had seen this movie, but I have been to a Hot Topic. That literally was my thing. I was so sure.

I was like, for sure I've seen this movie. Of course. I used to own a Jack Skellington sweatshirt, but it was just that I enjoyed the musical Fall Out Boy and that I had a crush on a skateboarder who was an assistant manager at Hot Topic. So I was lurking at the Hot Topic. And if you spend an hour in a Hot Topic, you've basically seen this movie. But I haven't.

I had it through the articles of clothing. You're just like, this story? No, I mean, well, based on Hot Topic, you would think that Jack and Sally have way more of a story than they do. Right. But we'll get there. They're in like two scenes together. And he's like, it's 90% of this short movie

that feels forever. It's like 75 minutes long. It's so short. It's just a ghoulish man being like, I want to be Santaanta you're like what it's a it's dumb anyways i watched it this morning what's your history well it was a movie of my childhood i I think it came out when I was like seven and you know, it was like, oh my God, this is so cool.

And look at this skeleton and it's fun. So yeah, I loved it as a kid. The songs are cool. There's no argument to be made for the contrary. You're outnumbered on this stage. Okay, on stage, let's pull the audience. Who thinks the songs are dumb? Clap your hands.

Okay, we got a few people in the front. We've got a solid three. A three. Who thinks the songs are great? Wow, lots more people. Thank you for your support. Well, I guess the show's over. Yeah, we gotta go.

Come on. Good night to Sandy Claws. That's a great song. How did you not like the songs in A Star Is Born, but you're like, no, the song's in Nightmare Before Christmas. Slap. Like, that's just not true. I love that they play the song from A Star Is Born on the radio

as if it were a real song like do we not know this is a fake song there's like 30 seconds of good music from that movie and it's when lady gaga's going i love it so much anyways okay this movie yes so it was a huge movie of my childhood hadn't revisited in many years kind of forgot the story and it's true not a ton happens but let's find out what does happen shall we okay caitlin's gonna recap yeah natalie feel free to interrupt during the recap please i like that i'm always the person that's like hey let's just interrupt caitlin as much as possible i i need it i know it needs to happen yeah if i were a dude up here that i would not fly at all we have a temporary embargo on male

guests that's just something maybe fans of the show have noticed. We have a full embargo on men for a while. We got too many complaints. We really did. Okay, so, The Nightmare Before Christmas. Basically, it's about a white man who appropriates

another culture and... Yeah, pretty much. Just, like, ruins everything. It doesn't help that he's white either i know he's like a skeleton and he's bleached could not be whiter he's the lightest ruins like ruins everything and then is like whoopsie thanks for helping me realize i don't like other cultures but he was he was oddly arrogant about it, too. And he was like, oh, nobody appreciated the work that I put in.

What's wrong with you? You did a bad job. You gave children heads. Like, what are you talking? And then the whole, well, we'll get there. But the fact that Santa is trapped in the basement with the boogeyman who has dice and then is freed and then santa's like no worries gotta go and then he's just like he's like it's fine it's yeah there's like no apology before i go home yeah i would like press charges i would have done something legally to like hold

him there jack skellington should be in prison. It's true. So this story takes place in a world where every major U.S. holiday. Including Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Yeah. And something else I feel like is like specific just to the U.S. Like St. Patrick's Day I feel like isn't really celebrated anywhere else. What is St. Patrick's Day world like?

Well, that's, I think that's what fascinated me so much about this movie. Cause I was like, I want to go, I want to see a movie about like what the other worlds are like. And then like missed opportunity for a franchise. I think we can agree. It's just a bunch of angry white dudes trying to claim irish

heritage and just puking green like everywhere yeah yeah there's two like christianity worlds there's christmas world and there's easter which could be very grim uh yeah we see a bunny but there's other shit that goes on and around easter that is not so festive yeah like stigmata jesus maybe also this whole okay this is getting ahead a little bit but there's like a part of this movie where everyone at hell in what it's not halloween town that's a better movie than this um no it no, it's called Halloween town. It is the town. That's. And there's also a movie called anyone who's a matron.

Any matrons here? Ooh, you've heard our Halloween town episode. Yeah. Uh, both Disney movies and they recycled the name. I mean, it is a bad name,

but there's, but there's like a part where they think Jack Skellington, they're like, he's going to die. I was like, isn't everyone here dead? Why is that a problem? Because at the beginning, they're like, we're all dead. And that is cool. And then at the end, they're like, no, he's going to die. But he was dead.

Right. This movie is... Sorry. Okay, so we meet jack skellington he's like the icon jack skellington um he is like the highly revered he's like the celebrity i guess he's the pumpkin king yeah yeah yeah what does that so it's a it's a it's a town that has a king and and a mayor awesome it's just like london i think what is democracy like there i don't understand what are the polls like uh so the thing is he's tired of halloween and he's like i long for something more and then

we also meet sally um she's like this like patchwork quilt lady she's a franken she's a frankenstein frankenstein's monster ragdoll frankenstein it's just an excuse to like we can there's one female character in the story and we can rip her apart whenever we want very scary um yeah yeah the her i mean the introduction to sally is she literally has her arm torn off when she's trying to get away from someone you're like oh cool let's set the tone yeah yep and sure. Yep. And she admires Jack from afar, but she is basically enslaved by a mad scientist who created her in his lab.

So he's a man in STEM? Boo. Okay. But she's a woman in STEM because she makes potions. Potions. Which is what scientists do. Yeah, because she's actively trying to poison him and escape.

A lot of poisoning in this movie. A lot of roofying the boss. It's a very abusive relationship. Did anyone see Phantom Thread? Because the relationship between her and the scientist is basically Phantom Thread.

A deep cut. Good caitlin okay uh so jack stumbles upon the entrances to the other holiday worlds and he's like really taken it back let me walk into the woods sure and then he finds the second act of the movie. Right. He sees the door that looks like a Christmas tree. He's like, ooh, what's this all about? And then he gets sucked into it, and he ends up in Christmastown. Secular religion, right? Just takes you right in. It's just like a vortex. It's so shiny.

How can you resist? So he he's like what's this there's a song literally called that and then he discovers what christmas is all about and then he returns to halloween town he's like hey everyone i found this cool new holiday let's appropriate it and everyone's like okay whatever you say pumpkin king but they kind of mess it up at first like he doesn't explain it very well because he only spent like 20 minutes there right he's like a vice reporter he like goes there does a lap he's like i think i get it and then he got mad at them for not understanding it like you don't understand right he's like i think i get it and then he goes and then he got mad at them for not understanding it like you don't understand right he's like no but it's actually really cool guys

he was there for no time he didn't even appear to have spent the night no oh yeah i think he was just there for a few minutes yeah so then he's like yeah let's let's instead of doing Halloween this year, I just take over Christmas. So he commissions Sally to make him a Santa Claus outfit. Even though she's psychic. She has a premonition. She sees the future. And she has a vision that his Christmas is going to go bad,

go up in flames, basically. And then he's like, uh-huh, make my suit. That's their first scene together. One of like three scenes that they have together. Yeah, which is, I think it's like at least halfway into the movie, I think. It takes a while for them to be on screen together. She's kind of following him around for a while.

She's sending up her various potions to his... Yeah, she sends him like a picnic basket. Cute. I don't know. It also kind of reminded me of that scene of like, I don't know if you guys have seen Say Yes to the Dress, where like somebody is getting married in like two days and they have an under $2,000 budget.

And like, find me this dress. I'm like, no, that's not how it works. But she's the miracle worker. She makes the Santa Claus suit happen. She does it. And then he goes, he gets these three kids lock, stock and barrel to kidnap the real Santa Claus. And they do that. And then they're like, first you get the Easter bunny.

Oh, man. Wrong Christian world. Right. and then they're like first we get the easter bunny oh man wrong christian world right so then then they they get santa claus and they're like here oogie boogie have him oogie boogie and then you're like oh this movie doesn't have a villain yet uh and then you're like wait i thought jack skellington was the villain uh but then the movie was like no no no it's oogie boogie so with with santa claus gone now jack skellington can be like hey kids i'm doing christmas now it reminded me of when squidward dressed up as santa except squidward is a queer icon and jack skellington

isn't so jack is like ruining christmas he's like giving all the kids like decapitated heads and like bats and stuff and meanwhile sally goes and tries to save santa claus because she's like oh my boyfriend who i love or like this guy i'm not her boyfriend she doesn't really it takes a while to figure out if they even know each other right yeah yeah well because i thought when i was watching this movie today the when she sends up the basket and then he sees her and then he looks back and she's gone i was like oh maybe they haven't met right but then it's her and then he looks back and she's gone i was like oh maybe they haven't met right but then it's like oh no he does know who she is he just doesn't care

she's actively stalking him and he ignores her is the nature of their relationship for most of the movie it is like how i behaved with that Hot Topic manager. I would be at the Hot Topic, which I shouldn't have been, but I was, acting like I wanted items. I don't know. I was like, oh, no, like I am a goth. It'd be like weird because you're wearing a back brace. So Jack is fucking up Christmas, and the christmastown fights back and he's like oh no what have i done there's probably a lesson to be learned here but i didn't learn it or just like

human worlds where they're just like it's the news and they're like oh that's i think that's the human world yeah at that point because they're delivering it like all the presents to like the actual boys and girls. I found that weird. It's like Christmastown, no response really from Christmastown. And we know that Santa Claus, for some reason Santa's wife is given a name, even though we never even see her. But he's like, Kathleen.

You're like, Kathleen. And then he's kidnapped. But she is a named female character who never appears and uh never does anything wait i'm still trying to his his wife yes i'm still trying to process for some reason i thought that like in christmastown christmas is only celebrated and everyone's just like yeah christmas all the time like they don't go to the outside world same thing with like i think they i think that it's just all year long they're gearing up for that one thing so i think that's how like halloween town was like so when the movie starts like we're coming

up on halloween so then they go out but we okay wow i'm learning something no because the mayor shows up and then he is like 365 days on hallow. Yeah. And I was like, so I thought that was kind of comical because to me, like, that's the dude you want on like your nonprofit who when you're like planning like an annual meeting because he's there like the day right after. Like, all right, let's prepare for next year. And I was like, OK, this is a little overzealous, but we'll at least we'll be prepared. Appreciate your enthusiasm. OK. I thought the mayor was going to end up being bad because of his two heads. But it turns out he's just got two heads. And I let my implicit two head bias inform my viewing.

Well, I'm glad you learned something something today i learned something today we're all growing so jack fucked up christmas and he's like oh no i fucked up i have to go back to halloween town and then he saves sally and santa claus from oogie boogie and then sally almost saves santa claus yes movie's like no no no you cannot do the real save wait for the skinny guy to get back yeah my favorite part of that was like

after they were like freed like the first thing out of Santa's mouth was like you should have been listening to her the entire time and I'm like isn't that always how it is yeah and then Santa's like anyways peace and like levitates away yeah also why didn't he levitate away sooner if he could levitate away why was it a problem yeah i good question so then jack's like i'm gonna be the pumpkin king again because i love halloween again

and i think that's the end of the movie oh jack and sally they do kiss she sings a song of like i love him and then he sings a song the third song of the movie that's like i want to be santa their motivations are at odds it's like we've all been in a relationship where you are doing all the work and your romantic partner wants to be santa claus we want different things we should just separate a tale as old as time and on that note let's take a quick break. What do you say? Sounds good. All right. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now.

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Katherine Hahn can sing. Oh, I'm really good at karaoke. What's your song? Yeah, what's your song? Oh, I love a ballad. I felt Bjork's music. I just was like, who is this person? I got to hawk this slalom, Lugie.

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There is one of the three like trick or treat kids. Is it? What is it? Scram. There's Locke, Shock, and Beryl. I might have said Stock before. Shock is the girl? Shock, yes.

She is voiced by Catherine O'Hara, as is Sally. Which, okay, if you're casting a voice actor, there's no excuse to not cast someone who can sing because you don't have to see their face, right? It's like, Sally's song, I think, is unlistenable because she's basically a high school soprano, like really reaching for those top notes she's like i love jackie school you're like oh my god like a bad middle school concert

it's it's uh i mean this is you know but it's shrill that is yeah you sure that her i mean we all agree mostly that the songs are great but her song it could use some work sure it's a little pitchy dog like it is so in in the town of halloween town we've got shock one of the trick-or-treat kids we've got sally we've got a few like witches and hags and one shape of water looking creature yes i saw that i i mean yeah i noticed and there uh of course you did the fish guy and all we really see them do is like fangirl over jack skellington but to be fair everyone fangirls over like the whole town is like jack we love you and they need to calm down yeah right what we never see is why that is like they're because at the

beginning he comes out and everyone's like woohoo he's great and then we never really see a demonstration of like what's he great at what's he do what's his skill uh he sings about how awesome he is so we take his word for it talk about a metaphor for other things it's like i mean he says he's awesome a lot so he's probably done something but if you were to he exclusively fucks stuff up and then forgives himself like there's that whole kayla the songs are so bad because there's like that song where he's like he fucks up christmas and scares every living child and then goes to like a graveyard and it's like well i sucked at christmas but i am great anyways i am not sorry and the song is over you're just like why the message of the song perhaps is not great but the the melody wow the composition really yes and then the ghost dog like even the ghost dog i like to think was not on board with what was zero zero and i mean if we're talking about zero let's

just watch holes like right hector zeroni hello zero from holes was like such a childhood crush of mine i was like like shia move away oh something so we're like but shia but shia but also zero was the was the was the true kitty of the movie the zeros nose glow the entire time like from the start yeah okay because so he didn't realize that when he was supposed to go on the sleigh ride he was like oh your nose glows so bright like how long have you owned this dog his nose was glowing the entire time right they establish it really early on because uh in a really hilarious visual joke uh jack skellington rips out one of his own ribs and throws it and then zero can't find it at first but then he uses the light of his nose to find it. You can't like supplant every joke possible

with like what if it were bones? Like that can't just be the joke. But that's like every joke in this movie. Clearly you've never seen the show Bones. Is that all it is? Just bones? I don't know. I've never seen it is that

i think it's about oh no clap if you've seen bones okay i don't i'm pretty sure that it's about forensic anthropologists right is it dr bones. Okay, so there's a man named Bones in the show. I was like, I think it's just about a guy named Bones. I think they're looking at Bones, though. Anyways, Bones jokes, I'm over it. So I wanted to talk about the active choices that we see Sally make, because she does make some. First, she tries to poison the doctor's tea the first time

this happens a lot then she runs away from him by pulling her own arm off then she poisons his soup tricks him into eating it and with a whole with a spoon right yeah that she had ready sure whatever and then she escapes out the window uh sews herself like throws throws yeah she flings that scene genuinely bothers me where there's so much like god i mean we were talking about this backstage but like tim burton's never-ending quest to seem interesting like the fucking like goth edgelord of the world like it's just it goes without saying he sucks but like but the way he like glorifies just like doing him what any other case would be a suicide he's like is played for a joke in this and that bugged me a lot where it's and also it's our only female

character it's like does it pass the bechdel test if the only female character flings herself out a window like that's i don't know that didn't like that didn't know it wasn't okay so before she flung herself out she had like all the like her potions and stuff and she had like a pulley system and she like yeah she lowered that down i was like why couldn't you why couldn't you get right when did you have to jump out because i guess she has to demonstrate her sewing skills she had the technology i simply don't know oh god that's yeah that was dumb so then she sews herself back together after she flings herself out of the window, brings the picnic basket to Jack, but then is like, tee-hee, bye, like runs away.

I'm shy. It's like a Jane Austen novel. So up until this point, none of these choices have really influenced the story. But then whenever Jack is like, Hey, better go, you know,

ruin career, appropriate another culture. She's like, no, this is a bad idea. Cause she's had that premonition. And then she adds something to like the cauldron to create the fog. But he's like,

it was called fog juice. It was called fog juice. It's fog juice. But then that obstacle is like immediately overcome because he's like oh i've got my dog who i just remembered has a light bulb on his face oh and the reindeer just regular reindeer but wait there's a twist their bones dumb ass movie and then we already kind of touched on this but at the end she does try to save santa claus who's being imprisoned by the boogeyman but then she gets pretty close she gets pretty close and she's like doing interesting stuff where she like uses her her skills to like but also she uses like female sexuality by removing her leg to make

the what's his called the gabagool what's his name the book she tries to get him horny with her detached leg yes and so you're just like sure right and then but then she uses her hands to untie the thing. So she comes close, but then she ends up getting captured herself. And I guess sews herself back together because then she's in one piece again. Oh, yeah, she's intact the next time we see her. Also, Santa could fly the whole time. Right.

But that brings up the fact that most of Sally's skills that we see her do in the movie are like very domestic or like traditionally feminine because she's either always making food slash potions or sewing stuff. But there is like, I don't know, it's weird because the way she's asked to prepare food, but then she does a science experiment instead in an attempt to murder. So that, yeah, that I feel like is like not total domestic or it's like hardcore domestic. It's extreme domestic. And then she, I don't know, it's weird and frustrating because she has other skills, but no one cares about them or values them and at the end of the movie that's kind of unchanged where we know that she can do chemical she has fog jizz and a frog's breath whatever uh she's got all the science stuff and then we also know she can predict the future and has premonitions but every interaction she has with jack she's

literally like christmas is over and he's like ha ha ha can you sew this for me and he doesn't change in that regard at all right definitely i would argue though that having a premonition is like still sort of like a feminine trait because it's like a woman's intuition i don't know maybe have you seen that so raven because for her it's a defined skill it's a superpower sure i don't know yeah good point how much are we pulling from that so raven but well that begs the question how many female characters do we see having clairvoyance like that versus how many male characters? That's true. I mean,

I just don't, I don't want men to be able to know what the future is. But I think it's sort of like coded like that, like clairvoyance is sort of coded as like a woman's intuition. And maybe there's like nothing wrong with that. I don't know. We'll, we'll figure this out in a later episode as we see more of this and discuss

it further. I don't, it's good. Well, I guess with Sally, it's kind of unclear what, because she is the, a man's creation that seems to gain sentience beyond her creator.

And there's like kind of some born sexy yesterday vibes about the way she is created. It's unclear what she knows is like programmed into her and what she knows that she's learned right so i don't know if like she was programmed clairvoyant or and i feel like maybe that's why like later on when he creates like a whole other like woman like and then like uses like half of his brain and like puts it in there so he has like his idea of like an ideal woman, whereas like she ended up carving some type of independence on her own,

even though she was still kind of domestic. Right. She does escape, which is cool. Yeah. But then his like Mrs. Pac-Man that he makes is very creepy. His identical twin question mark.

Yeah. Also like they both have half of a brain so it's like these like lobotomized people just like there's no way they're smart is what i'm saying but who here would pay to see a sex tape of them i don't see any hands going okay that did occur to me there's something there okay cool to see yeah i guess with the the mad sign do we ever learn his name finkelstein i don't know his first name okay so frankenstein basically okay got it yeah so he like definitely views her as his property and like wants her to be very obedient and i guess the fact that she's not and that she's defiant is good but like it's

a low bar it's where i i mean there are moments where it was like i think that it's trying to make commentary on something like even when i i don't like the scene where she leaps out of the tower but that almost felt like a commentary on like how princesses are always you know trapped in towers and have to be rescued and she leaps from it and so feminism there's like some really like empty, like Tim Burton being like, right. You're just like, no, you missed it, man.

She's also, she's also made of leaves. Does anyone else catch that? She has leaves inside of her. Every time she like falls apart, like there's leaves that come out. She like a scarecrow. Oh no, that's not straw.

I was about to say, scarecrows are made out of wool. I don't know. Watch the movie again. She's made out of leaves also wears the show leaves a follow-up to bones sally's a weird character it's weird because it's like one of those characters where like we've talked about a million times it's the only female character we really see that has narrative impact she's pretty much exclusively defined by how she relates to the men around her and there's like elements of her character that we're given that are cool and interesting and just go completely not addressed

or explored really at all right right right and like we said before they don't interact on screen together uh jack and sally until like halfway through the movie. And even in that scene, he's extremely condescending to her. She's like, you probably shouldn't like steal other people's like cultures. And he's like, make the thing. And then he's like, this part is red and this part is white. And like, here's how it looks like. And she's like, dog, I know. But like, don't steal other people's cultures and then yeah there's like the whole like she's stalking him thing and then he doesn't

return any like romantic feelings for her until the very end whenever no reason he's impressed that she came to save him as far as I could tell. Okay. But he doesn't even finish the sentence. He's like, wow, you're... And then it's like, I don't know why these two people are about to kiss, but we got to get them to kiss. And then they do, and then the movie's over. It seemed really forced at the end. It didn't have to end that way, really,

but then it's a Disney movie, so you kind of have to. But everyone's AIMi.m away message was like looking for the jack to my sally but that's the thing like sally's i think she has the one song in the movie maybe there's a reprise i don't remember but it's about how like oh are me are me and Jack going to end up together? I don't know. And then all of his songs are like, here's how fucking awesome I am. Here's a new thing I discovered and how cool I think it is.

Like, here's the things I long for. And he never expresses any interest in a romantic relationship ever. There's a song that comes right after Sally's pitchy nightmare about how she's horny that could so easily be jack being like oh by the way i also would like love but he doesn't the song right after the horny song is like i I still want to be Santa Claus. He's kind of like, Vol selling it, by my view. He's in his tower. He's doing experiments. He's just not interested in a relationship at this time. Asexual icon, yeah.

Or he could just be like, oh, what's that Reddit board? No fapping. He's like, i can't that's the one where men convince themselves that if they don't jerk off for long enough they'll like develop superpowers they're like i can't come until there was literally a guy that told me once he's like hey i really like you but unfortunately i cannot do anything sexual until i'm the best guitarist in chicago so we're assuming he's still not fucking 100 no jack seemed to me to be one of those kind of guys. Yeah. I can't fuck till I'm Santa. And then he becomes Santa, and that's why he's able to,

that's why he kisses Sally at the end. I definitely did get a band, like dude trying to start a band vibe from Jack Skellington from the start. And then I kind of was like, well, if Sally wants to get with him, that's great. But it's like a lifetime of her going to like shitty concerts for like the rest of her life

and then pretending to like the songs, even though she's heard them like a thousand times. Like that's her future. Real quick, we also kind of touched on this, but like the ending, whenever Sally is like tied up, she's very damseled. Like Jack literally has to come in and like save her and untie her from the bad guy yeah a very boring slow fight scene right oh but that okay

so that scene at the end with the oogie boogie man it still haunts me to this day whenever he like his thing unravels and then he's filled with bugs. Yeah. So you're either made of leaves or bugs or bones. And then the bugs scream when they like fell into like the lava or whatever the hell that was. All of his, like he died atom by atom. I liked that part. You're like, oh,

if he's dead, we've got less than 10 minutes i natalie i totally agree with like the i don't know like when you're a kid and you have like having a stop motion aversion i used to be really scared of it like only happened in the 80s and 90s where there'd be like animals and they'd be live action animals but they'd have computer animated mouths like in the movie cats and dogs that is not good what about babe or babe pig in the city no no no no no oh you can't because they're just it's just like long shots of living animals digitally manipulated to say things i don don't know. It's scary. I think we talked about this on the Men in Black episode.

Yes. With the little pug dog who's like... That's a great example of that being very scary. And the cat in Stuart Little was my like ultimate no. Even the cuteness couldn't overpower... Nothing, no. Can't do it. Hey, Caitlin. Hey, Jamie. Can we take a break, please?

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Yes. I wanted to also talk about like the animation and the way that Sally looks aesthetically where like the different creatures of Halloween Town, like they come in all shapes and sizes but like sally's body type and her proportions are still like it's still adhered to like the ideal like western standard of beauty they're literally people like shaped like sorry game pieces like yes just walking around the town i'm so happy people knew what that game is by the way but yeah but she was like model proportion like it didn't make any sense so boo to them it's like in in ghostbusters where there's like all these actual cartoony looking ghosts and then there's just like a woman with tits

like huge who sucks off a ghostbuster and you're just like why is this the only female ghost right and i want to be clear i don't mean boo to that body type i mean boo to that being the only representation we see on screen of women who can be like romantically appealing the only option yeah yeah yeah and she's also like one of the only women who lives there is kind of a Smurfette vibe to that. But there are witches and hags. Yes. And the one shape of water creature.

Who we have to imagine is like the fuck lord of the town. She's like, bring me an egg. Let's have sex. God, I need to see that movie again it's so horny yeah it is like frustrating and then the only other female character we really have is the one trick-or-treater who it's worth mentioning is the brains of that operation as well or the three trick-or-treaters uh you know she is kind of in charge and they fuck up but every time they fuck up she's like see i told you we shouldn't have kidnapped the easter bunny and you're like okay i guess the movie's not over but

but even in that like sally is santa says it has to be true santa says like she's the smart one and we as an audience know she's the smart one uh and then even in the tiny little trick-or-treating coven the one woman there is the smart one and no one listens to her so just kind of how this movie goes well it begs the question then like if she's the smart one why isn't the why isn't it her story or like why isn't the movie about her and like from her perspective because tim burton made it as timber because because this is another i would argue christmas themed male redemption story we see it in the christmas carol we see it with the grinch but it's like these christmas figures who are like i hate things and nobody likes me but at the end i'm gonna have a heart and and everyone will like me because i've redeemed myself this isn't quite the grinch is queer, though. Queer icon.

It's a little different. Baby Grinch. Not adult Grinch. That's not how that works. These are your rules. But, I mean, this isn't so much a male redemption story in The Nightmare Before Christmas because people already fucking love love jack skellington and by the end they love him even more but it's all these like uninteresting characters who were like i'm a shitty man how about i learn something and then people will like me and i just don't know why we have so many of those stories. When there are smart women like Sally whose stories we need to hear.

I don't know. Do we need to hear Sally's story? She's made of leaves. Yes. I think that the smartest decision made with this franchise is to not continue it after man but like nine-year-old caitlin would have loved the nightmare before easter the nightmare before saint patrick's day the nightmare before thanksgiving it would be funny if jack skellington just got really into irish people he's like guys ever heard of ireland it's great like none of that shit's making it into

the disney vault ever yeah those are like straight to video sequels look i just i think there could have been a franchise it was a missed opportunity anyway that's like unfortunately there's not much to talk about in a movie that has one woman who's on screen for like 11 minutes. Yeah, there's really not that much to say. I mean, other than I mean, I think like culturally there has been such a glorification of the Sally Jack relationship to the point where I was genuinely shocked that they do know each other. But one is extremely disinterested in the other person and they appear on screen together for maybe four minutes maximum.

Like their stories barely intersect. And it's supposed to be like, wow, romance. People have tattoos of that. Yeah. On their human bodies, they have tattoos of that. And like, did they not know? Maybe they have just of that and like they didn't did they not know maybe they have just been to a hot topic also i don't know yeah it is well is it also worth noting that because we talk about this all the

time when men present stalkerish behavior in movies and how troubling that is like she follows him he's like he's singing he's on that like spirally mountain thing and then it's basically an image from moana they stole from moana is what i'm saying though a movie that came out 25 years later so he's singing a song about how he's like, I wish there was a different thing for me. It's the first song about I wish I was Santa. Every song is I wish I was Santa. And then she's just like lurking in the background, like follows him. And then, yeah, it's not OK.

Stalking, no matter what gender, is not OK. You heard it here first on the Bechtel cast. It's really sad if you heard it here first on the Bechtel cast it's really sad if you heard it here first by the way like logistically don't follow a vol sell around like you're gonna find things you don't want to find you just yeah I not until he's the greatest guitar player in Chicago then bang his line see what happens does anyone have anything else to say about the movie i hate it that's it should we do some some questions from the or comments from the audience uh sure if anyone's got them does anyone have a anything they want to say or a question? Come on up so you can talk into the microphone.

What's your name? Rachel. Hi. I was wondering if you guys picked up on problematic racial things with Oogie Boogie and if you wanted to speak to that. So Oogie Boogie is, I think, the one character who is voiced by a person of color i'm pretty in the movie that's true oh right okay here i've got imdb up right here let me invest so oogie boogie is voiced by ken page and then oh Undersea Gal ever heard of her? is voiced by

a woman of color named Carmen Twiley she also voices a character called Man Under the Stairs oh is that at the very beginning of the film? yes oh no that was the bed beginning of the film yes maybe like i am the oh no that was the bed i was under the bed not the stairs yeah i don't know who the man under the stairs is but

um so yeah this is a mostly white cast we are not surprised considering it's a tim burton joint although is it a tim burton movie he didn't direct it he everyone's like it's tim burton's nightmare before christmas i'm comfortable blaming it on him okay he has like a story i think a story by credit and he produced it and he produced it uh so oogie boogie yeah so he is one of the few characters voiced by a person of color and he's also one of i would argue two, two villains in the movie. The other one being the mad scientist, Dr. Finkelstein, who is he coded as Jewish and is also that problematic? I mean, Oogie Boogie, based strictly on the way he is presented,

it seems like he's supposed to be from New Orleans, or there's like the aesthetic surrounding his lair and he always has a pair of dice like there's it's very like stereotypical New Orleans like voodoo kind of like that imagine yeah yeah so I mean I it's weird cuz it's like it's not like you can't have a villain who is a person of color but if that's the only person in the movie then it's bad don't have your only character who's a voice by a person of color be the one like the villain of the movie yeah that's racist

in a tim burton movie you're like probably everyone's gonna be white and if someone is not white it's probably for a racist reason right wasn't the was it the peculiar children whatever that one was called mrs peregrine's house of children who are peculiar that's the name of it right wasn't sam jackson the only person of color in that movie and he was also the villain am i right about that does anyone know i'm getting some okay okay that's enough for us so yeah tim burton has a has a bad track record uh when it comes to race and like we'll tell you too which is also crazy he's been outspoken about it. Go listen to our Edward Scissorhands episode for more details.

Yeah. Are there any other questions, comments, thoughts? Yeah. Come on up. Is this movie just Mamma Mia, but claymation because it's a lot of expositional songs with not a lot in

between a lot of skinny white people that bore me kind of is it not just Mamma Mia yes I agree that Mamma Mia is boring and bad I just watched it for the first time too because my boyfriend's sister wanted me to and I'm just like I got half an hour into it. I'm just like, yeah, so this is a series of songs. What is happening? This is just Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia is a terrific film that everyone should see.

Where Pierce Brosnan is giving it 120%. There's no reason to dislike Mamma mia i didn't dislike it i just didn't like it did you see all of pierce brosnan's songs that's on spotify and like talk about pitchy like yeah he's but he like you can tell you're like who this matters to him and he just a spectacular failure it was gorgeous no but i think you're right though it's uh boring and lots of expository singing and not much story same thing i actually have not but i do enjoy abba songs so that's great. All you have to do to watch Mamma Mia is listen to ABBA on Spotify.

Or if you're like me, wait, did anyone here know about the band The A-Teens before they knew about ABBA? Yes! Okay, I was like, there's this awesome band called The A-Teens. They only sing hits. And so like, why is every 18th song the best song ever?

It's because they only sing... They're all the songs. Yeah. There were Swedish teenagers getting away with murder, but they were so good. Great. Any other thoughts, comments, concerns? Complaints?

Oh, we've got someone over here oh yeah uh just the to me it was like the ultimate male fantasy playing out where literally they do nothing and the whole town loves them women follow them for kind of no reason and then like they get moody and stay inside and the whole town like comes to a screeching halt like whoa he's being emo today let's figure this out guys yeah yeah a hundred percent a hundred percent yeah that's so true it kind of reminded me of a bye-bye birdie like Conrad birdie we're like everybody's like fawning over him and like falling over themselves like definitely getting them our boy he's sick there are there are a few different times where in the beginning whenever he just like wanders into the woods and like is in christmas town like the town is like we haven't seen jack raise the alarm he's like they're so

concerned he's been maybe he just like stayed over at a friend's like they're so concerned he's been maybe he just like stayed over at a friend's house they're like he hasn't been home all night so maybe he did spend the night in christmas town oh yeah also like time works differently in christmas town most of your town looks malnourished maybe work on that first like feeding the people who actually live there. Imagine if there were a mayor who was like one emotionally unstable citizen was gone for the night and they're like, the city shut down. I do like his line where he's like,

I can't make decisions. I'm a politician. Oh yeah. And you're like, scathing all right we were all afraid to say it but mr tim told us and we god so a politician two-faced whoa is that a metaphor do you think? Washington D.C. Oh god. I love when male auteurs are like you know

it's like yeah we know. Yay. Oh sorry we had one more question. Oh yeah come on down. Come on up. Do we think that Jack has or is supposed to have a penis i'd like to personally thank you for that question

i was waiting for a follow-up question like if so what does he come yeah oh right okay which reminds me uh okay give it up if you're familiar with the wet scab dry scab debate first of all horrifying if that's the case for those of you who are not familiar i'm so sorry for what's about to happen the wet scout dry to scab debate is an on is beck till cast canon that caitlin hates so it's 50 canon i like it uh okay it's just a single question on the ballot if the character beetlejuice comes we assume he does if he comes scabs are they dry or are they wet right we've made you're right natalie you're right it's horrible now to be clear we've made the mistake previously of offering no scabs as an option but that is sort

of 2016 all over again where we're splitting the vote so So your options are wet scabs, dry scabs, what does Beetlejuice come? And just, I'll close my eyes so I don't hold it against anyone in case we talk to you after the show. But clap if you feel like perhaps Beetlejuice would come wet scabs. Interesting.

And if he comes dry scabs? That's pretty even wow it's so it's such a polarizing it's the issue of our times the answer for progressives blue wave speaking it's dry scabs but But, you know, speaking to your question, does Jack Skellington have a penis? He certainly carries himself as if he does. Yes. And then follow-up question, what does he cum? Small bones. question what does he come small bones

can we all agree that's canon all right well shall we determine whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test? Well, it sure doesn't. Not even close. There are no women who interact. There are a few witches and hags next to each other. Who praise Jack Skellington. Who are fangirling out at Jack Skellington, but they're not talking to each other.

Also, there, okay, we didn't talk about this, but there's one last thing. Okay, there we've got ghouls we've got a guy with an axe in his head we've got the hot we've got all manner of creatures but the only creatures who appear to be female identifying are either witches hagsgs, or that shape of water lady. Like, why can't there be a lady vampire? Why can't there be a lady ghoul?

Like, how come we're pigeonholed into these roles of witches and hags? But I will say that the shape of water lady was very progressive. Yes. Because usually it's the fish man that you raw dog but now it's like mr tim makes a good point of what if it was a fish woman that you raw dogged

you're right very progressive it brought visibility that we needed to the fish person in that character. I feel like that also, like your line, it feels like you were also asking, like, why aren't there more lady serial killers? It was kind of look like it was falling into that scene. Why aren't there, though? Let's start a revolution tonight. No, I totally agree though it is like it's the most stereotypical what are women referred to as not on halloween it's very rare to see a man referred to as a ghoul or a person with an axe in their head but you know women are called witches at very least if not a series of of far worse words on

on the daily yeah oops no anyway uh movie does not pass the bechdel test there are no women interacting at all but if they did i would guess that they would be talking about jack skellington because they all freaking love him but yeah hard no on that one jack skellington's not even hot yeah like he's always wearing a suit and so he's like he's like a stand-up comedian who only wears suits you're just like oh this guy what's wrong with him john John Mulaney fans in the house. Oh, sure. Well, shall we rate the movie on our nipple scale? Okay.

So this is a scale of zero to five nipples, where we rate it based on its portrayal and representation of women in the movie. I'm going to give this a half nipple because um while we do see sally make a few active choices in the movie what some of which do kind of influence the story but mostly not really and she does have a few skills but again most of them are very stereotypically like feminine domestic skills. And she has to be saved at the end.

She's all damseled and she stalks the hero. But then they kiss, which is usually how those narratives go. So it's just, you know, par for the course. But yeah, she she's the only woman in the town except for a few witches. And it's, yeah, not great. So one half nipple and it's going to Sally and she can probably detach it from herself. Natalie, what say you?

Is it possible to give it negative two? Yes. Can I go, like, can I invert my my nipples we do it only everyone pictures it yes it's part of the deal no i i similar what you were saying at the end like the fact that they had to like try to like shoehorn like a romance or any type of thing like that into this movie like just shows like what the creators of the movie thought of her the entire time. It's just like, yeah, you can give her some of these skills or some of these things are really cool.

She's really good with potions, but in the end, it was somebody that was subservient to a dude. I can roll with that. Yeah. Negative nipples. Scary. I'll go with a half as well. The Sally character and all characters of like the

tokenizing the female character in a movie especially in like 90s movies like i feel certain that tim burton slash everyone involved in the writing of this movie thought they were doing a very cool progressive empty girl power gesture by even including sally in the story and giving her a skill that wasn't like just being able to be fucked at the end because that is i mean that's like a lot of like 80s and 90s movies there's they're like no it is cool and like female characters are she can do something the end game for her is exactly the same right and she has no options except the end game that has been subscribed since the beginning of time but like look a potion

and you're just like it's it's i don't know it's even more sinister to me because it's being sold to you as like this is progress and you're like this is just a more accurate representation of someone who might exist with also no options. Right. Worth noting, though, that the screenplay is by a woman, Caroline Thompson. She should be in jail. Her last redeeming, like if she wanted to create a bunch of STEM books, like for chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. And Sally, that could be her.

How do you make fog juice? We all want to know. But well, the story was by tim burton so he was probably just like he's like i have to french kiss johnny depp for five hours a day or i'll die so gonna have to outsource this one uh yeah half nipple given it to the fish lady great well Natalie thank you so much for being here thanks for having me where can people follow you online and what would you like to

plug yeah so I have a website nataliemcgill.com where I have upcoming shows I'm on twitter at natalie smcgill and on where i have upcoming shows i'm on twitter at natalie s mcgill and on instagram i'm at hoothallersnap awesome yeah uh thank you to uh pete and everyone here at the draft house comedy theater um listeners at home check this place out if you're ever in town it's wonderful and give it up for yourselves thank you so much for coming out um so that was our episode i hope you liked it i hope you were feeling the energy in the room um and we just feel my cousin she's there i felt her the cousin is present so we just wanted to

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