The Bechdel Cast - The Sixth Sense

Episode Date: March 12, 2020

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On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effing vast. Start changing it with the Bechdel cast. Hey everybody, how are you? Welcome! Here we are in Philadelphia, we're back. Who's been here to see us before? Oh, I love when people are studious and they're like, me, hands up. Raise my hand. We're so psyched to be back.

We love Good Good so much. Yes, yes, thanks for coming. Yeah. Well, good night. Good to see ya. We're the Bechtel cast. My name's Caitlin Durante. I'm Jamie Loftus.

And this is our feminist movie podcast. We'll do a quick quiz at the top. So this is the free applause part. Who here has listened to the Bechdel cast? Wow. Validation. Validation. We love it.

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Okay, so today's movie is The Sixth Sense. Who has seen the movie? And is anyone not? There's one person in the back. Oh, my gosh. It's such a, well, we'll talk about it. But, like, I never got to see this movie without knowing the twist that happened. So I never got to see a good movie.

It's like, it's not fair. I felt cheated. Oh, well, we'll talk about it. I'm kidding. It's the greatest movie ever made. But, like, you've seen it. What? So we're doing this extents today.

We're doing it because Galaxy Brain, it happens here. It does. Yeah. Philadelphia. What, what? Ever heard of it? We should say what the Bexel cast is. Yes, let's do that.

So we are a feminist movie podcast. We analyze the portrayal of women in film, one movie at a time. Until there's no movies left. Until there's no movies left. We use the Bechdel test as a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation. And that, of course, is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires that two female identifying characters with names have to speak to each other about something other than a man.

Yeah. Does it happen in movies? Every once in a while it does. Sometimes. I mean, okay, I will say anytime someone says that they've listened to our podcast but is lying, they're like, oh, your show, isn't it about you spend an hour trying to figure out if it passes the Bechdel test I'm like no what imagine if we were just pouring over the script every single line of dialogue how do you feel nope doesn't look like it like but can we demonstrate the Bechdel test yes for anyone who's not familiar yes please uh hey jamie hey caitlin i see dead women wow that's so brave and progressive of you thank you and that's like you know it doesn't have to be good writing it just has to be writing

um and so that's what we're doing here and so um after you know people have been begging us jamie caitlin do a feminist analysis of the sixth sense it's our top request everyone wants to know but for like i mean really the ben i mean i'm just thrilled that we get to talk about hayley joel osment yeah um my my lifelong crush so this episode will not pass at all because we'll just be talking about when you talk about hayley jill osmond it does pass the bechdel test we checked just like when he was in same applies to alfred molina of course if i have a crush on them, it passes the Bechdel test. That's canon. Caitlin, what is your history with the cinematic masterpiece The Sixth Sense? I saw the movie in theaters in 1999 in Dubois, Pennsylvania.

Anyone familiar? I was 12 or 13. Didn't really know anything about it except that it was like you know the hot movie of the moment uh it was very spooky and because I was the age that I was I thought it was great um this movie is for 12 year olds like this is like this movie is like the most hardcore shit a 12-year-old has ever seen. I think that kind of applies to M. Night Shyamalan's entire filmography. If you're 12, you're like, this shit is unbelievable. But then when you are 13, you're like, oh, what?

What is happening? And I don't think I had seen it again since but because it's such like a it's such a huge part it's infiltrated pop culture yeah everyone knows the twist ending everyone knows the famous line about seeing dead people not women not feminist no i think it's a gender neutral term and it's, and it's, you know, all encompassing. I think that Haley Joel Osment is in high con. He probably insisted on that line. What if M. Night Shyamalan was like, okay,

you're going to say, I see dead hetero men. And Haley Joel Osment is like, no, I have an idea. I know I'm eight years old, but let's be inclusive. You know,

I hope so. I'm going to be cutting them all kinds of slack. What is your history with the movie not much uh i i was too i wasn't allowed to see this movie when it came out um because i think i was like six or seven when it came out and so i didn't get to see it but then i knew the twist years before i i think I finally saw it maybe in middle school but I already knew the twist because some jackass at school right had fucked it up for me so I didn't I like knew the twist but by that point I think I had seen the sixth sense after I'd seen Haley Joel Osment in second hand lions uh-huh and I write oh we have some secondhand lion the secondhand lions hive has come to philadelphia secondhand lions uh not that bad pretty good i think it's pretty good i think that

that you know pretty good a solid pretty good but that that was like where my crush really like solidified okay i'm like well we've got to go back we've've got to see everything. So that was, so I went to see it for horny child purposes. And I was like, oh, okay. You know? And that's my entire history. And then I watched it again. Yeah. I forgot Toni Collette is in this movie.

I saw this movie before I knew who Toni Collette was. So yeah, didn't know she was in it at all. Yeah. I think that Toni Collette, like, I mean, based on the interviews I've read with her, it seems like maybe she would prefer we forgot she was in it at all. Yeah. I think that Toni Collette, like, I mean, based on the interviews I've read with her, it seems like maybe she would prefer we forgot she was in this movie. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyways, knives out. Like, she just blazed through it. Sure. Although I think that Toni Collette's character in this movie is kind of like the lightest version of her character in Hereditary because a lot of times in movies tony collette is just like what's going on with my son like that is the part she's given a lot like multiple she's just like she's on screen and we're like oh i wonder where her motivation is she's like my son's doing fucked up things and and then that's them i'm'm like, come, we gotta, you know. She should have an Oscar.

Not for this, though. She was nominated, though, right? For this movie? Am I wrong? Oh my God. I think she was. For what? Wait.

I love Toni Collette, but you're just like, she's dressed like Velma from Scooby-Doo at the end of the movie. She was nominated for Best Supporting Actress. That is so funny. I mean, she didn't win. I mean, she didn't win. I mean, come on.

I don't think so. She didn't win. Did you notice that when you were re-watching it? Like, the end of the movie where Hayley Joel Osment and Toni Collette's relationship is, like, resolved at the end. She's dressed exactly like Velma from Scooby-Doo. She's wearing a red. The turtleneck.

The turtleneck. Dark. The hairstyle is exactly the same. And she's crying. But I'm like, I can't engage. I'm so distracted by the fact that she's cosplaying during this scene. I mean, when you think of it, the sixth sense is like a very gritty Scooby-Doo narrative. Unpack that.

It's like ghosts. And who... Unpack that. Who is the bad guy in this movie? Death? Is it like Final Destination in that way? We should cover a Final Destination movie. They'll all pass.

No, I'm kidding. But yeah, I don't know I guess that the I mean the closest we get to a villain in this movie is Munchausen's by proxy mom right who I forgot about and I'm like what is that doing here and then there's little Misha Barton we'll get to that too sure well should I do the recap yeah I guess we started on accident so here we go um dr malcolm crow is bruce willis and a million times the movie you're like it's not dr ian malcolm right dr malcolm crow uh-huh this is not drastic park as much as we want it to be yeah um and his wife and anna crow anna crow yeah i like in the beginning scene, her whole thing, she's like, I'm your wife.

She literally says that. She's like, I'm your wife and you don't pay attention to me. And he's like, anyways. That's the whole first scene. They're staring at a plaque that's honoring his accomplishment at a job we soon learn he's not that good at. Not good at. And she's just like, I'm your wife and you're mean. learn he's not that good at not good at and she's just like i'm your wife and you're mean and he's like haha but that's what they're celebrating because he's received an award from the city of philadelphia

i hope that you know philly doesn't just give out awards for this kind of stuff. And then a former patient of his, Vincent Gray, who is played by Donnie Wahlberg. But I, okay, so for some reason when I was re-watching this movie with my boyfriend, kill me, I'm not a feminist. I was watching it with him and for some reason I was so one million percent sure that the guy who shoots Bruce Willis

was Christian Bale to the point where when he came on screen and it was visibly not Christian Bale I was like he's a chameleon like

he's so good that he has a different head like but it's not it's Donnie Wahlberg it's Donnie Wahlberg he's so good that he has a different head. But it's not. It's Donnie Wahlberg. It's Donnie Wahlberg. He lost 40 pounds to do this one scene,

which is like kind of embarrassing for him. But imagine losing 40 pounds and then being on set maximum two days, you know? Like, what was he trying to prove? Whatever it was, it didn't work. He owns a cheeseburger joint. Whatever, he does fine. So this former patient, Vincent Gray, feels Dr. Malcolm Crowe has completely failed him. And so he shoots Malcolm in the abdomen, and then he shoots himself in the head.

We cut to the following fall. Malcolm is stalking a child. The way we see that framed. Yeah, no, he's stalking a child. He's stalking a child named Cole Sear. Also, Cole, okay, for everyone in the crowd who's like, wait, Cole Sear? This movie is very subtle.

You have to be careful with these sort of things. But it's not spelled S-E-E-R. No, it's subtle. A different spelling. It is really fun to read. Like, I have some quotes for later, but whenever M. Night Shyamalan, like when this movie was coming out, he was interviewing for this movie as if the very obvious things in the movie were so subtle he's like well Cole Sear now not everyone he's a sweet boy he's he's I he's an angel

he's a talent you know Jacob Tremblay wishes you know but there there's something different about Cole he's not like the other boys not like the other sears and he speaks latin and he opens all the drawers in the kitchen or is that him or is it or is it we don't know we don't know uh we meet his mom lynn sear that's tony clad of course and she's like don't look at me so cole and malcolm have an appointment at cole's house and we learn more about him like he made a drawing that depicted this violent murder and he has a secret okay so meanwhile um malcolm's home life is rough he and his his wife keeps ignoring him and we're like why does anyone in the crowd not know how it is?

Okay, never mind. But like, it's so like, there is this thing with thrillers. We were just talking about this backstage. There is this thing with like thrillers that have a twist that you can really only tell if they're a good movie when you've seen it twice. Right. Like if anyone has seen Parasite, I will not spoil anything. There's a twist in the movie, and when you see it the second time, you're like, oh, this is an amazing movie,

because it gets even better once you know the twist. Whereas The Sixth Sense is a little different. Once you know the twist, you're like, oh, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I can't wait. I have so many questions that are going to poke some holes in this plot. We're really going to show him. This movie was nominated for Best Picture that year.

I know, but like 99 was like not a good year for anyone. Okay, so his wife is ignoring him. His wife. His wife. Malcolm and Cole meet again and they're making some progress but there's something that's really troubling cole and we still don't know what it is he has an outburst at school then there's this uh birthday party incident where some mean boys lock cole in a little cupboard and then he has some sort of seizure type thing. Yeah. Then Malcolm is with him in the hospital

and Cole says he's ready to tell Malcolm his secret. And then... Trailer moment. We get the line. The line. I see dead women. No one... Haley Joel Osment's a really good actor.

He's... You know me, I don't like a lot of child actors, but Haley Joel really knocks it out of the park. He's perfect. He's perfect in all subsequent roles as well. I have a whole section later. Okay, good. Okay, so he sees dead people and

the ghosts that he sees, they're everywhere. All the time. They don't know that they're dead. He sees them all the time and it's just... They're very melodramatic they're dead he sees them all the time and it's just they're very melodramatic these ghosts that he sees they apparently have all died very violent deaths as well there's no i thought that was because i was like oh it's just people with unfinished business who their unfinished businesses i want to scream at hayley joel osmond like their unfinished business has never really made that clear they just want to yell at him

and yeah and scare him it's a lot of people died having not yelled at him yet and that is what allows them to pass on i guess who knows this movie makes no sense so malcolm assumes that cole seeing dead people is the result of a mental illness, but we start to learn that there actually are dead people walking around who torment and abuse and yell at Cole. Yes. So Malcolm, he's under a lot of

pressure. He says he's going to transfer Cole to another doctor because he needs to spend more time with his wife. And Cole... Because his wife is getting a little flirty with some guy. Yes. And Bruce Willis is acting out about it. He's very jealous.

He doesn't know he's dead and so forth. Right. But Cole begs Malcolm to help him and believe him because, you know, hashtag believe. Haley Joel Osment. I think everyone in the crowd would agree we as a fan base believe Haley Joel Osment. So Malcolm starts to reflect back on his treatment of Vincent the person from the beginning of the movie. Not Christian Bale. Not Christian Bale Donnie Wahlberg. Right. And he plays back some old tapes. And Malcolm realizes that Vincent had this same seeing dead people curse, which we learn

apparently only afflicts little boys whose parents are divorced. Right. That's the rule. Malcolm is obsessed with divorce. Anytime you see him treating a patient, the first thing about them is like, first name, last name, status of parents, marriage. Yeah.

And then he's like, divorce. Okay, this kid is going to be. By that logic, half of the planet is fucked. We see dead people. Yeah. Which we do. Well, you were a child of divorce. I am, yes.

There's no one in this room right now. But I can see them. My parents are, their marriage is legally binding, so I can't see dead people. You have, yeah. Get them to sign the papers. Your life is going to change.

Bruce Willis is is gonna show up okay so malcolm he realizes that the dead people that cole is seeing just want help from cole they want cole to help them and he think he's like if you just listen to them they'll go away right um so but it's still very unclear what some of the ghosts want help with some because we really only find out about one of them which is Misha Barton ghost she shows up she's puking everywhere and then I'm in a cool clothes like hi how can I help you? And this is his first customer service job. That is a lot of customer service is someone puking at you

and you being like, I don't mind this. It's like... So we cut to Cole and Malcolm going to her funeral and everyone thinks she died of a terminal illness, but Cole helps uncover that Misha Barton was actually being poisoned by her own mother. In a scene that, hint, hint uncover that Misha Barton was actually being poisoned by her own mother. In a scene that, hint, hint,

passes the Bechdel test. You know when your mom is killing you and it passes the Bechdel test? That was a wild one. She was like, I want you to eat your soup and don't complain

about how it tastes. Passes. This is one of my new favorite passes. Yeah. It's really good. So that has been resolved and then Cole tells his mom about his secret. There's this exchange about his grandmother.

And Malcolm is like, okay, I'm going to try to reconnect with my wife. His wife. But it's because Cole says something that outside the context of the movie is like, he's like, I know what you should do. Talk to his wife while she's asleep. And I'm like, if he he's alive this is the scariest thing

that's ever right been set like imagine waking up and someone you love being like i don't know yeah but but like hayley jolosmic gives this advice because he knows bruce willis is dead and bruce willis just receives it like never thought of that okay that's what i'm unclear about does hayley joel know that oh he definitely does yeah okay that's what when he says, all the time. He's like, literally right now I'm seeing dead people. Wait. Am I alone here? I thought that he didn't know. No, he definitely knows. How?

He gives hints all the time that he knows. My interpretation, maybe I'm giving M. Night Shyamalan too much credit, but my interpretation is he doesn't tell Bruce Willis that he's dead because if he tells him he's dead Bruce Willis will disappear he'll go away and he doesn't want Bruce Willis to go away because daddy issues okay I never interpreted that

that way I interpreted that he had no idea and he was like oh here's a child psychologist conveniently here to help me you underestimate hayley joel osment he well no because at the end he says like this is the last time i'm gonna see you huh because he knows like i think maybe he figures it out by the end maybe i don't know i just literally never i was like he doesn't know just like we don't know well it's like i mean the logic of this movie relies on

bruce willis's character being very stupid which he is but it's like there's multiple scenes where it's like if you were hayley joel osment and there was a strange man in your hospital room that your mom had never met you would be like mom you know but like but he doesn't because he knows bruce willis is dead it's a psychologist but like we don't i mean bruce willis just shows up and he's like i'm your like i don't know i think hayley jill osment knows well one of my questions that would poke holes in the story logic is like how did this patient doctor relationship start that's why i feel like hayley jill osment just accepts it because he can tell when people are dead and he he's like, oh, this ghost seems like less bleeding than usual.

Like, let's see where this goes. Got it. Okay. Well, this has just crumbled my entire life. I could be wrong. I don't know. That's just how I thought of it. I want to take a poll.

Can we? Who read it the way that Jamie reads it that Haley knew? Round of applause. Okay. Okay. A fair amount of people. Okay. Round of applause.

Who did not know and thought that Cole does not know that he's a ghost? Okay. Okay. So we have some Mensa members in the room. And we have some people with master's degrees in the room you know being a Mensa member costs $60 how much did you did you anyways I don't I mean I guess it doesn't I mean at the end of the day how hard was and they jump on thinking about this I mean, there's so many plot holes.

Okay, so Bruce Willis is like, I got to go reconnect with my wife. And then his attempt to do that makes him learn that he's been dead the whole time. Oh, no. Because he was shot. He was killed whenever when when donnie walbert killed him shot him yes and uh that's the movie and then we're like wow it's perfect no notes Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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listen to dream sequence on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts uh okay i mean should we start with like what a dog shit child psychologist malcolm is like alive or dead he's he's trash he's so bad like he we've already sort of talked a little bit about his like obsession with divorce where he's like divorce equals mental illness equals ghosts like he's like really taking it a long way and then another thing that i noticed just throughout the movie is he also has a like a strong aversion to medicating any sort of mental illness there's this really dramatic shot when he's first of all watching his wife shower she doesn't know he's there right and then he so okay weird to start and then he it pans over and there's a very dramatic shot of her bottle of zoloft and he's

like first of all everyone on the planet is on like like what are you taught like and he's a psychologist he's a psychologist i'm like oh my god have you never prescribed someone zoloft you probably should you know yeah so he so he's like so deeply shocked that his wife would dare to go so far as to take Zoloft and then when Cole tells him you know I see dead people

they're around me all the time and then Malcolm like reassesses his like evaluation of Cole and he's like oh it's like worse than I thought he might need hospitalization and medication and then proceeds to not do anything about it like he's just like well we'll just meet like several more times i'll go to his play at school that's like also doctor patient like that breaches something right like imagine if if my like therapist came to like here

i would be like get no i'd be like come on stage let's talk but like but in theory that's very unprofessional yes i think so but when okay but one thing i did like that bruce willis does is when he leaves the first play he goes to two plays also he's like school has so many plays which goes into the whole daddy issues thing that I have later but um at the end of the first play he's like well it was better than cats and you're like you fucking idiot like this was not better than and then we're like oh well I never was there ever. A cat so clever as Mad Jingle Me. And there's also, first of all, Hayley Chalazman wishes he was Skimble Shanks.

In his wildest dreams. And he could have done, I have no doubt. But, you know, which was a majority British cast. But all that to say, what is that phrase about people is it people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones m night Shyamalan's coming after cats i'm like it's all bad honey like it's all you can't be like in the middle of the sixth sense the stupidest movie ever and be like, cat sucked, right? I'm like, sir, it all sucked. Like, calm down. I, okay. I don't think this movie's terrible. I don't, I don't think it's terrible. I just think it's dumb. It's very stupid. Dumb movies are fun all the time. For example, cats.

Of course. Can I ask my questions? Ask your questions. you so much okay so the movie does a little bit to show that malcolm and his his his wife uh have grown apart and they don't really talk anymore but we're to believe that he's been dead for several months he's been dead for a while and then it's like we just i mean the story logic is so bizarre where it's like i mean and most people did suspend their disbelief like i mean including me and but it's like we're to believe that um bruce willis has not spoken to his wife had a real conversation they wouldn't have had sex or like kissed or anything like that it wouldn't have months and months which i mean it happens but like i mean if you're not even having a conversation eventually you're gonna be like or anything like that. Months and months and months. Which, I mean, it happens. But, like, I mean,

if you're not even having a conversation, eventually you're going to be like, hey, view me. Right, okay. Exactly, okay, so. Like, that would be me at, like, day two. I mean, okay. I would be like, excuse me.

Pass the, what has he been eating? Would you, right. What has he, she's been making dinner for one and then on like day 50 he's like i'm hungry like what do you what do you humor me jamie yes of course you pretend to be my wife okay and i'll be dead bruce willis okay and you're just gonna have to ignore everything i say because i'm dead, right? I'm horny. Okay. I'm horny for someone else. Also, it is kind of, okay, wait, can I break the point?

The fact that it has only been a couple of months and she's like, I should probably be fucking. I'm like, you know what? Everyone grieves differently. Yeah. I'm okay with it. A very horny grief. Okay, so you're my dead his wife. I'm your wife.

Hey, honey, how was your day at work? Honey? Why are you ignoring me? Did you have a bad day? I'm sighing because my husband died. Is something wrong? Why won't you talk to me? Yeah, so that's how that would go.

Also, we are to believe that she hasn't talked about it at all like he's never walked in on her on the phone being like so about my husband's assets like right or like the funeral the funeral where was he where what what or i mean was it are we supposed to believe that maybe he, like, came to? But then we, okay, someone's saying yes, but then it's also like he's acting like we've been growing apart for months. And so, I don't know. I don't know.

It doesn't make sense. Here's my next question. But it was nominated for many Oscars. It was. Not the first time. Okay, so does Malcolm not notice or care that he apparently has only one patient? And it's a little boy? And one outfit.

One outfit? One outfit, yeah, his sweater. Does he not notice that no one seems to talk to him except a small child? No, he doesn't. one seems to talk to him except a small child um no he does also he thinks people are talking around him all the time but no one ever direct imagine if no one ever directly addressed you you would just feel like you were in junior high again like it would be he's just living in right no one seems to notice he exists but he doesn't notice that does he think he's getting paid right who's this jig goes on for a while and you're like

is tony collette supposed to be paying him but it's like i guess they only see what they want to see which is like such a like throwaway line that like excuses a lot of plot holes he's sending her like ghost bills she's not replying to his ghost invoices. You know, we've all been there. Right. Next question. So various times when it seems like Cole would be under adult supervision because he seems to be with Malcolm, then you realize he was just like alone in that hospital room.

Yeah. Alone walking the halls of his school at night. Alone walking around in a park like he's just like always alone talking to no one if you saw a tiny little Haley Joel Osment baby talking to no one you would be like I'm abducting you

you know like you might do that you're my son now I don't know if I would do that but someone would do something if not that. They would be like, are you okay? Where's your mom? What's going on?

And then also, why after Vincent Gray kills himself, why does Cole never see him? Because he would be a ghost walking around. Unless he doesn't have any unfinished business. I guess his business was to kill Bruce Willis. He's like, I'm out. I don we don't we have no background for him we they're just like well child of divorce so clearly you're gonna want to kill bruce willis right although i think vincent gray is maybe one of the more realistic characters in the story because he should i mean

the the ends don't justify the i don't know if i'm using that phrase correctly but you know he does say hey bruce willis you're a shitty psychologist yeah you said because i was divorced i was like my parents were divorced i was satan and now you will pay like that part shouldn't have happened but like up till then he was like really on a roll sure he was a bad child psychologist also he's always violating HIPAA laws because he's like telling his wife about his wife his patient his patient that's not allowed it's I know well it's well because he has to talk about his job to his wife because we don't know anything about his wife other than she's like i feel neglected and then he dies right we do find out so if we're talking about i mean unfortunately

there's really not a ton of discussion to be had about his wife because we know so little about her other than she was married to him and then she's sad that he's not around anymore she's at his home watching the wedding tape you know the whole bit she's wearing out the v not around anymore. She's at his home watching the wedding tape, you know, the whole bit. She's wearing out the VHS. There's one scene where we see her at work at, I think, an antique shop that sells jewelry. Yes.

But the one scene we see her working, she's like gaslighting a couple into buying a diamond ring they clearly can't afford. Right. And then the unnamed female character, one of the only non-white characters in the movie, she's talking to her future husband. And, you know, it's just like,

it's kind of the classic trope of like, women be desiring blood diamonds. Right, yeah. And so his wife, you know gaslights the couple into being like no this is actually a good idea and so that scene is bad yeah also why is that scene really there does that uh the what happens after that is uh the guy the guy who's like who's interested in her and who Bruce Willis is jealous of, she gives him a gift. But we didn't need the scene prior to that, I don't think. We didn't really need everything leading up to it.

I mean, all the scenes, you're like, I guess I could take or leave it. But that was a weird one. And yeah, is he named? There's some guy who is interested in her. And then she's like, but but I can't, you know, because she's not through her grief process, which which is, I think, like a valid arc. But that's the most you get out of her is like she is someone who has lost her spouse recently and is like not sure if she's ready to move on. That all makes sense um but that's like literally all we get right i mean overall the women who are in the story are really

only there because of their relationships to the two main male characters who are literally mothers and wives yeah that's just mothers and wives and And the Toni Collette character is slightly more important. Yeah, I think she's the most important female character. Which is like, not saying that much, but they cast Toni Collette, you know? So you're like, that's significant. Her character, I mean, I like her character. I think we are told that she's a single parent because divorce equals ghosts. She's a single parent.

She has two jobs, but we don't know what either of them are, right? Which is like, all right, M. Night Shyamalan was, you know, we got, you know, but it's just supposed to be like she's working very hard. And then it's a Toni Collette role

in the 90s or early 2000s. So she's like, what's going in the 90s or early 2000s. So she's like, what's going on with my son? Right. Yeah. Although I would say, so what little we do know about her, right, is that she's divorced. She's working two jobs. She is really good, a really good mother.

She's very caring and attentive. like appropriately concerned for cole's safety while also being like frustrated by his at times alarming behavior because he's being haunted by ghosts right uh but then her also like she's frustrated by her own inability to help him like there's that scene where she's just like they're kind of arguing about this like bumblebee pendant and she's like i'm so tired i'm tired in my body in my mind in my heart and like you can tell she's like trying very hard to be a good mother and she just has a son who sees dead people so how do you relate how do you parent the honey mothers in the audience no um yeah no i mean i i like her character and i also think that we don't, in like pop culture in general, you don't get a ton of mother-son stories that play out eventually as positively as this one does.

I feel like there's, and this movie has this as well, but there's a lot of father-son stories because men be making movies about their problems um but i think that like mother-son relationships are kind of underrepresented and father-daughter as well but um yeah so so i i like that you understand why tony collette feels frustrated it doesn't seem irrational at all and you also understand why cole is nervous to tell her because he doesn't want to be labeled as an unstable child of divorce, which Bruce Willis is labeling him as. So I like their relationship and I also like,

because I sort of forgot about the scene where she's dressed as Velma at the end, which does make me cry because I'm easily manipulated, but where their relationship resolves is and the way that sort of hayley joel osment proves to tony colette that she should believe hayley joel osment is he you know shares an anecdote about his grandmother her mother who passed away and they're crying and she believes him and you don't know. I'm like, what is she going to do now? Like, we don't really know, but you're like, okay, they're okay. She believes him and they're going to figure it out, which I think was like a lovely

mother son relationship arc. Indeed, especially because in that moment, we realized that Haley Joel Osment's character is a feminist icon because he's trying to help women pass the Bechdel test. He's like, hey, mom, grandma says hi. She saw you at the dance recital, and she wants you to know that you make her proud every day. And Toni Collette's not catching on. She's like, uh-huh.

I'm like, no, you have to talk to her. Come on. She's like, uh-huh. I'm like, no, you have to talk to her. Come on. Hayley Jo Osment's, okay, his entire character, like his name is Cole, but it's like, it's Hayley Jo Osment. His whole character, I like his character. I think Cole is a little sweetie pie. He's a troubled boy, but he's being haunted.

He's literally being haunted by every plot ghost. Every plot relevant ghost is haunting him. All the non-plot relevant ghosts, who knows where they are. But I like the first ghost that he's able to break through with is Misha Barton. So he's helping women expose their mother's crimes. Feminist. He's an ally. He's an ally. He's an ally.

He just is. But what I really do like about the way, and it's like, I don't know how intentional this is because I don't think that this is a movie that's meant to show young people a role model through this haunted child. But maybe.

We don't know. But in general i mean i think it would be kind of like an easy bad writing thing to have you know because like hayley joel osmond's character is being bullied by other boys who are very like you know emulating macho behavior tommy to tamasimo or whatever he's a cough syrup commercial, so he's the best actor in the world. That character, hilarious. An icon. Feminist icon, Tommy Tamasino?

Question mark. But, you know, we see other young boys bullying Haley Gillespie in these very typically macho ways. And Haley Gillespie doesn't respond with toxicity. He's just like, I've got bigger fish to fry. Tommy Tammazino, we'll deal with him later.

We've got ghosts that are screaming. And scratching him. They're scratching him. Why are they scratching him? He's so nice. I know. Also on the rewatch, the special effects in this movie, I looked up because I'm like, maybe this movie was made for $14.

But it was not. They had a $40 million budget in 1999. So like even more now. But if you look at, there's a scene where you see um i mean you know female ghost representations pretty good in this movie but one of the first ones is a mother who has um where to like she slit her wrists we don't find anything else out other than she wants to scream like her unfinished business blah we don't know i think she it's implied that she has an abusive husband right but it's

like what's hayley jolosny gonna do about that right anyway but but when when she turns and we see the special effects it's literally like i party like like it's like the effects are not there it's just like yeah it's halloween makeup that they're wearing. And then Misha Barton has like a CVS brand like ghost makeup on her. Going back to the mother-son relationship. Sure. Because I also quite like the way it plays out, especially because so, you know, she's a single mother. We're not totally sure how recent the divorce was or how recently his dad left.

Or how long he's been seeing ghosts, but we have to assume since the day after. Well, because there's all those photos on the wall where like Tony Cloud's like, what's this little shimmer in this photograph? And there are some of them when he's a baby. Well, then that challenges, I thought it was like,

oh, your father and i got divorced and that second it's like boop like ghosts have logged in oh so it's just like you're born with it maybe i thought it was once your parents get divorced you see ghosts maybe it's that when you have a baby who sees ghosts it's so much pressure on your marriage that you get divorced. Oh, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're like, why are there so many orbs in this picture of our son? And then they break up.

So really, what you're saying is the divorce is Haley Joel Osmond's fault. And we love to hear that. The divorce was the child's fault. I don't wish to imply that. Interesting, you would say. But the relationship between mother and son, in a lot of movies,

you would see that dynamic play out where like the boy would be like, when's daddy coming home? Where's my dad? Like either an implicit or an explicit idea that the mother isn't enough. He needs a male parental figure there. I agree with that, but I would also push back a little bit. Cole doesn't do that, but...

Yeah, well, because it's like, you know, it's Toni Collette, like, it's made very clear that she is a good mother. She's trying her best to understand. But then you kind of, I feel like M. Night Shyamalan kind of has it both ways. It's made very clear that she is a good mother. She's trying her best to understand. But then you kind of, I feel like M. Night Shyamalan kind of has it both ways because Bruce Willis comes in. He becomes this parental figure. He's showing up to plays. He's showing up to the hospital.

He's doing these quote unquote fatherly duties. And I feel like the plot would have you believe that Haley Joel Osment wouldn't have been able to resolve his issues without this ghost father figure appearing. And then like probably kind of dramatically disappearing. Right. But I don't know.

I was sort of because I was like, oh, that's cool that like I do. I love the mother son relationship. But I feel like there's also the slight implication by the movie that Toni Collette couldn't have gotten the job done on her own. Like the ghost daddy needed to come in for a few weeks. Right, because Toni Collette isn't a ghost, so she can't help with the ghosts. I know, which is just like rude. It's like Toni Collette could be a ghost if she wanted. He didn't tell her.

But I don't know. Yeah, it was like, it wasn't like, and again, I'm just like, I don't know yeah it was like it wasn't like i and again i'm just like i don't know who who was thinking this hard about it i think we're we have like thought a few laps around the first draft of the script but um i don't know i feel like there is the implication that it's still like that nuclear family dynamic that is able to accomplish what the story wants to i see what you're saying but i i feel like bruce willis who knows how long he's been stalking cole before they actually start talking to each other yeah but i feel like it's implied that he's only around for maybe a few weeks or a couple months or so before he then like disappears because it's like he needs to help cole

cole needs to help misha barton for some reason. And then everyone's fine? We don't know. They need to help each other. Like a father is on me? But I don't know. Ultimately the doomsday clock

is at 100 seconds. That's what I'm going to start saying when I run out of ideas. Okay. There is a few times when you learn that Cole wears his dad's glasses or the frames of his glasses or his watch. Maybe it's

just a small attempt to be like, I wish my daddy was still here. But it's not overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah, because Bruce Willis does sort of step in to be like, I wish my daddy was still here, but it's not overwhelming. But then, yeah, because you know, Bruce Willis does sort of step in to be his, his dad,

his father. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Like, yeah, most of the stuff, I mean,

I feel like there is a version of this movie that would have like hit on that theme way harder in a more egregious way. But as it is, I mean, I mean, it's, it's fine. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. It's fine.

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who else is going to do? Well, that's true though. Two scenes is unnecessary. One scene max. One scene. We're like, well,

this is, you know, like she's obviously who else would be doing it in two scenes. We're like, what are her jobs? Like she has two jobs. Why does she let her son roam around at night with nobody? With ghosts.

Where's the babysitter at? Where is she? Or he? We don't know. Sorry, I just wanted to be inclusive with my babysitting. I'm trying to look through my notes to see if I have anything else. I wrote down a lot of female ghosts. A lot of female ghosts.

Also, I mean, I don't even really know again I'm just like what really does this plot point serve like he's able to help Misha Barton ghost who's being killed by her mom but we get no insight as to like what's going on there and so that scene just to, mostly reads as very bizarre. Misha Barton gets him the VHS evidence tape. Right. That she's conveniently recorded. And then Haley Joel Osment goes to her father and is like, here's evidence. And he's like, let me watch it during the wake.

During the, yeah. He pops it in during the wake from a kid he's never met. Uh-huh. Who was there alone. Because again bruce willis is dead he's at his wake alone yeah and like in any other world it would be like a spongebob cartoon but like but in this case this eight-year-old's handing him important evidence yeah about his daughter. And we see the mother doing the Munchausen's by proxy thing. She's doing, and again, in a very over-the-top visual signifiers of like,

the thing that is clearly poison has like a little X symbol on it. Yeah, what was that bottle? What was in there? What is it? I don't know. She pours it in. She's like bleaching soup so we see her do the the soup bleach and then she goes to misha barton like stop saying the soup tastes like bleach yeah

and we have no insight i mean it's like i didn't know about even the term Munchausen's by proxy until like the whole Gypsy Rose case like five years ago. And let's talk about it after the show. But I feel like Munchausen's by proxy and like the idea of keeping someone sick intentionally was not a like pop culture like people didn't know about this then. So the fact that it pops up and then her husband like just confronts her and is like why would why did you bleach the soup and she just goes oh and that's that's the last week does she get arrested like do we get any explanation like

we get nothing and when i first saw this movie i'm like wow she seems like a real bitch like i'm like but that's clear there's so much going on there that there's so like it's such a complicated issue for m. night Shyamalan to choose to be like let me present this very complex mental illness in one scene with characters you don't know i think there's a lot that gets like seeds that get planted in the first movie that call for a sequel i think there should be a sequel to the sixth sense i think it should be called the seventh sense even though that doesn't make sense but like again like what happened i want to know what happens with like now that like he has a friendly relationship with ghosts now i guess at the

end that we're supposed to believe so like what does that look like you have to be careful though because they will make that movie like we don't actually want it if anyone is listening that's like maybe we should no we don't want it you know because what was that they just did that with um the shining they were like what like, people are wondering. You're like, no one is wondering what happened to Danny. Like, no one gives a fuck what happened to Danny. So I just, sorry. Let's talk about Haley Joel Osment for a second.

He's had a lot of great roles, Caitlin. Okay. Maybe you've seen him most recently in that Zac Efron Ted Bundy movie. Anyone see that? He most recently in that Zac Efron Ted Bundy movie. Anyone see that? He's fine in that. His whole role in that is he goes up to Ted Bundy's ex-girlfriend and is like, I wish you could get over Ted Bundy. That's his whole role.

Okay, right. He's crying. He's like, Ted Bundy is cock blocking me at every turn. So he's not given much, but he does a good job. My favorite post-Sixth Sense Haley Joel Osment role is the movie Sex Ed. Has anyone on the planet besides me seen Sex Ed? Okay.

So, Sex Ed is a movie that is currently streaming for free on something called tubi anyway hey where am i to be i was like what the fuck is tubi and then i downloaded it to watch sex ed sex ed is a 2014 movie where hayley till osment plays a sex ed teacher named Ed. That's really all you need to know to want to watch it. But he plays a sex ed teacher named Ed. He's trying to, he's having a bit of a dry spell, but he's talking about sex all day. So he's horny. Retta plays his best friend slash landlord. She shows up every few scenes to give exposition and then she disappears.

Anyways, at the end, Haley Jalazment has sex. Wow! Spoilers! I'm sorry. What if you're like, at the end, he was dead the whole time? You gotta watch Sex Ed. It's on Tubi.

Here's something that's sort of relevant to what we normally discuss. I know. So there's a component in this movie, and it's recurring in a lot of horror thriller movies, but something's happening to someone, and no one believes them at first um and groups of people who are often not believed oh i see where this is going

children like we see in the sixth sense uh women ever heard of them um seniors you know basically any marginalized group and there's like there's a line of dialogue where Cole says, please believe me. You believe me, right? How will you help me if you don't believe me? And that's just poignant. I think that's good. Yeah.

It does make it clear. And that's also what is preventing Cole from having any sort of resolution with his mother is that he's so afraid that she won't believe him and that if he tells her the truth that she will disown him or love him less or whatever the internal logic is that, yeah, M. Night Shyamalan accidentally made a point.

Right. There's even that scene where he says something like, no one knows my secret. I can't even tell my mom because I don't want my mom to look at me the way everyone else does. Like, I'm a like right right it's because they oh it's it's very sweet boy um let's talk about um m. night shamblin for a second okay because i i mean for he gets a lot of shit from people he has made more good movies than you think okay but in all seriousness m. night

shamblin i think when i was very young he was one of the first non-white directors i was aware of that was wildly successful period i mean i think like when i was a kid i knew of spike lee but i wasn't old enough to see his movies and then they're like and and then i could watch m night shamblin movies so he did like i mean he did make i mean this movie was wildly successful he basically got a blank check for the rest of his career yeah um for better or worse um after making this movie and so i think that like that is worth acknowledging and that is like a very impactful thing because you know directors are still overwhelmingly male but also overwhelmingly white of any gender. So the fact that, you know,

this is a director who, um, he, he grew up in Philly, but he's the son of immigrants and like, that is a really powerful, cool thing. And so I just wish his movies were better. So, you know, there's a lot, but, but I like, yeah, I think he was truly one of the first non-white directors I knew of and was very you know in in the zeitgeist if you will um but also he ruined avatar so i don't know um oh some people disagree okay um but yeah i oh i also wanted to mention mni shimelalan's 1999 which was a wild year so this was like the Sixth Sense was his big breakout movie he wrote and directed it but prior to that he was like a Hollywood writer he would do a lot of like third or fourth drafts of movies that were basically done and then they're

like we got to give it the M. Night touch so his film credits in 1999 in addition to the six cents are he did punch up on she's all that and he wrote and is credited as the sole writer of stewart little what a wild year for him. Like I, he hasn't had a year like that. I mean, he doesn't have to punch up Stuart little anymore, but that was a fun movie. I never saw it.

But yeah, like it, that was, that was the year where he was like crossing over between being like a punch up writer and then like this twisty. Oh, tour. Wow.

But you know, like Stuart little, it slaps. It's good. It slaps. Geena Davis is in it. Oh really? Yeah. My goodness. She plays his mother. I do like that M. Night Shyamalan's, basically his

whole ethos is summarized in one line of dialogue in this movie where Bruce Willis is like telling Cole a bedtime story about a prince who was driving a lot. And then Haley Jalosman is like, you've never told a story before.

Have you, you have to add some twists. And also M. Night Shyamalan does the, he, sometimes like M. Night Shyamalan, I love him.

And then sometimes you're like, your confidence is really for like it's it's difficult um because what he does and a lot of directors do this but he specifically has said like I'm basically this generation's Alfred Hitchcock and Alfred Hitchcock would play a small role in all of his movies so movie one m. night Shyamalan's like I gotta be in this because otherwise how will people know I'm Alfred Hitchcock now so he plays a small role in this movie he gives himself a cameo

I love M. Night Shyamalan's all of them I think that's what Alfred Hitchcock did he would be in a few seconds of every movie I particularly love even in some of his worst movies the M. Night Shyamalan cameos are always so fun he's always

like a park ranger being being like no go into those woods see what happens like he's always like introducing them into danger it's fun he should act more he doesn't seem like a bad actor um there is a Chuck E. Cheese reference in this movie and visibility is important but it's also tony collette needs to explain i don't know was that supposed to be some sort of class thing like they're like tony collette and hayley jill osmond are at this like fancy nice birthday party and the mother at the fancy birthday party doesn't know what chucky cheese is and tony like it's all embarrassed and she's like well it, it's the greatest place on earth. Alright, because she goes

Chuck E. Who? Chuck E. Cheese! Which is what I say every time. Oh man, it is the best place on earth. Okay. You know? I've been many times with you. I know, for my birthdays, of course. It's a true story.

Yeah, so they've mentioned Chuck E. Cheese and Cats, and they can't take that away from us. So, do you have anything else? I think that's about it. We're running a bit out of time. Do we have any time for questions or comments, do you think? I think we have time for a few questions or comments. Any questions, comments? Come up to the mic

if you can. Up to the mic. There's one person. One brave soul. Oh, come on up. Oh, I love your sweater. Hi. What's your name? Hi, my name's Ed.

Hi. What's your question? Sex, Ed. It's me. That's what they call me. Your reputation precedes you. My question is, who do you think Alfred Molina

would play in this movie? Thank you for asking. Who would Alfred Molina? I think he could be Misha Barton Ghost easily. In all my fantasies unfortunately Alfred Molina takes a role from a woman. He could be Misha Barton Ghost.

He could be... I think the one role... I think he would have genuinely been a good Bruce Willis. Yeah. He could, I mean, he's a chameleon. He, Oh,

speaking of chameleon, he could have been the killer at the beginning because then you would get to see him without his shirt on. Yeah. That, that's the answer. I'll do it. He's the killer at the beginning and then we get to see him in his little underwear. Yeah.

Great. Thank you. Any, Oh my God god what if that's the only question hi uh my name's ivan and uh i believe that in tommy's whatever his last name uh yes and i think in his first scene he explains to uh queer icon hayley joel Osment what improv is. Yes! He's explaining what improv is. I had that written down!

You're so right. My question is, as a non-binary comedy fan, how do you feel about The Sixth Sense actually being about Haley Joel Osment, non-binary icon,

trying to make it in comedy, but having to deal with Tommy, this annoying, know-it-all, improv, cishet white man. Oh my God. I was just wondering your take on that. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my God.

Wait a second. I need to process for a second. Okay. It's a problem that we can relate to. It's the prequel to Joker. It's the prequel to Joker. It's literally, you fast forward, Toni Collette is Joker's mom.

Oh my god. No, I'm kidding. But no, but the, wow. What if this is all about Haley Chalazman's journey to the Upright Citizens Brigade? He was like, I saw a ghost, and then I learned the power of yes and, and now my life is,

he really does, I mean, literally, all he does is yes and the ghost. And he listens, that's such a big part of improv. He listens. He listens to the ghosts. Yeah. You know. And he doesn't respond irrationally,

because that would be a bad scene. Yeah. You know. And he doesn't respond irrationally because that would be a bad scene. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Everyone should take classes. A good good, I guess, is what we're saying. That's why. I had that written down of, like, the worst character in the story happens to mention improv.

Can't be a mistake. Can't be a mistake can't be a mistake something to consider any other i think we have time for one more question or comment if if such a thing exists yes uh i i have a bit of a two-parter i'm sorry uh no that's okay i'm afraid this is contrary to the spirit of the of the show but i wanted to comment on your your for a moment. What if I was like a storm now? I mean, okay, so we have like 70s themed

children's bed sheet homemade mini skirt, cowboy themed. One of them is topless. I mean, you'll find that all of them are topless. Oh, okay. I don't have the best view. It's incredible. And then you have a single pocket in the middle of your chest like Superman. I found a piece of popcorn in it earlier.

It's like pocket Superman. Caitlin saw it. Yeah. It's amazing. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Related to movies.

Yes. For a long time, there was a great controversy on one of the popular Bechdel websites. I'm sorry if you've already covered this, but the Lego movie, whether or not it passed the Bechdel test hinged on whether or not you considered Princess Unikitty a woman. And I was hoping

that you could weigh in on that. Caitlin? caitlin i of course have seen both lego movies um i do consider princess unikitty a woman do they refer to her in the movies with she her pronouns i think so i think they do right i've seen the movies but i'm i think i think so i don't know right i've seen the movies but i'm i think i think so i don't know when i watch the lego movie i'm just like i have a crush on phil lord yes that's that's the best takeaway from that yeah uh i think we just have to cover the lego movie now yeah really to really adequately answer your question we should we should i i think like a soft yes sure a soft yes and speaking of the bechdel test yes this movie the sixth sense pass it does i think well i mean it's kind of

okay okay so i say when a mother kills her child that is also a female child, it passes. But I mean, we don't know her first name. And she's such an insignificant character I feel like. I feel like Emily Shyamalan feels like she's really important for some reason. There's an argument to be made for it passing.

Because we do know Misha Barton's character's name, which is Kira. Right. And then we know her last name and then it's there's the mr and mrs character first of all i think it's really funny if that scene passes the bechdel test second of all i feel like because like if it would be a little different for me if the father was given a first name and the mother wasn't. Right. But neither of them are given a first name. They are Mr. and Mrs. We do find it out. I forget as well. So I

say bleaching your daughter's soup canon. This is the fatal test. Okay, then I'll say yes as well. So give it up for Static Sense for murdering

several women let's rate the movie on our nipple scale I truly have no idea so 0 to 5 nipples based on its representation of women I mean it's quite neutral it's not this movie doesn't hate women

it's not brutal and cruel to women the way that a lot of movies especially from that year where i mean between like fight club movies that like m night shyamalan worked on like she's all that uh cruel intentions comes out this year the mummy never been kissed a lot of like uh really regressive uh movies that treat women horribly. This movie doesn't do that. So feminist text? No, I'm kidding. I mean, I think it just sort of makes the choices made at some point of like,

I don't know how to write female characters, so I won't. Which is not the solution to that problem. But it is better than saying I'm going to write female characters to complete stereotypes and to like only service the male characters I want to write. And there's no narrative reason whatsoever why the child who sees dead people couldn't be a little girl. There's no reason why the child psychologist couldn't have been a woman. Like it's just, yeah, the movies were like, well, these better be male characters or else no one will see it right and there is i mean there's

like some i think it is nice that i don't know who like busting this trope benefits but the idea of like the quote-unquote evil child who is like communicated with by the other world is usually made out to be fully the villain of the movie where you've got like the bad seed you've got damien from the omen and usually if like a kid can communicate with the other side they are the devil but in this case they're the sweetest baby angel who ever lived right it's progressive it's progressive in terms of children who can speak to ghosts so you know. And again, because he's helping women talk to other women, he's advocating for Misha Barton ghosts.

It's like a one and a half. I was going to say the same thing. Yeah. You know, because you're just like, women are there. They're there. They're not that important to the story, but they're, you know, the male characters aren't cruel to them. They're there

they're cosplaying sure sure they're scooby-doo characters scooby-doo cosplay they're sure they're only like wives mothers daughters very stereotypical female roles yes but one and a half yeah uh one and a half and i'm gonna give one to t And I'm going to give one to Toni Collette. And then I'm going to give the last two. It doesn't feel right to get. Haley Joel Osment's too young to give him a nipple in this movie. So I'll give it to Mommy Murderer. Oh, sure.

Mrs. Bleach Soup. I believe her character's name was. I'll give my one and a half nipples to his wife because she deserved better. We should have learned more about her. The only thing we know is that she is sad and on Zoloft, I guess, which is horrifying to a psychologist. Remember to talk to your loved ones while they sleep. That will solve all your problems. Horrifying.

Thank you so much for coming give it up for yourselves all right folks that was our episode on the sixth sense uh we did want to add in really quickly that the evening after this we did watch sex ed on 2b yes uh and that's not an endorsement of 2b because the movie is wildly offensive and also just boring and hard to watch. Yeah, it is. So when we recommended you watch it during the live show... We were joking. We were, yes.

But we didn't even realize we shouldn't have even recommended it as a joke. It's wildly problematic and so we are withdrawing. We take back the recommendation, but, you know, as you heard, it killed in the room. So...

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was too late but so my one last thing is that during the live show toward the end when people were making audience were like, you know, asking questions and making comments and stuff. Someone asked a question about whether or not the Lego movie passes the Bechdel test. There's this whole discussion on it. Well, yeah, does Unikitty, does she count as a woman? And I totally forgot to mention that Unikitty, whether or not she identifies as a human woman she definitely does have eight nipples and that's cat facts with caitlin oh thank you this is and we're recording this a month and a half later i was like editing the episode and everyone haunting you the whole thing is like it sounds like i'm gearing up to be like well uh i have the answer to this, and it's that Unikitty has eight nipples.

And then I just like didn't remember my own bit. You love to see it. So I'm doing it now. I like it. You make good on it. Thank you so much. And with that, have a great week. Yeah.

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