The Bechdel Cast - Thelma and Louise with Alexi Wasser

Episode Date: May 11, 2017

Caitlin and Jamie and invite guest Alexi Wasser to talk about Thelma and Louise and at the end of the episode they all drive off a cliff.(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @alexiwasser on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, I was talking to my friend about this, the fact that it took us this long to talk about this movie. When it's been our header on Twitter since the beginning. Whoa! Sometimes I like to think about when we met up at that coffee shop to talk about this and we still didn't know how to talk to each other. Right. I know. It was so weird. Yeah, I emailed you and I was like, do you want to do podcasts with me?

I have an idea. It was literally an email. And now I tell you every time I like pee. Yeah, what a beautiful friendship. I know. Hey, quick question. Since we're talking women's stuff. I did something last night where I was like, would this hurt?

Like, could it hurt? I was hoping it would help, but then I was like, could it actually hurt? Expired Vagisol wipes. Where are we at on that? I Googled it and they were like, it can't hurt. Maybe they're just not as potent as they would be. What is a Vagisol? Is it like an itch?

It's an itchy wipe? Yeah. If you've had a weird week sometimes you need one yeah and i hadn't had i guess i hadn't had a weird week in a long time but i was like something's going on down there and then i at first i like classic i blamed myself i was like what did i do what did i you know I certainly didn't fuck this week. I like what happened? And then I was like, you know what, Jamie, you're wasting time blaming yourself. Where are those expired Vagisol ones? And then I use them and today no itching, no scratching. Oh,

good. Feeling good. I'm so glad. Have you ever had to throw away expired condoms? Because I've had to do that on a number of occasions that's the implications of that yeah no i don't have sex regularly enough to use the condoms that i stole from the boston university health services office well i'm allergic three years ago as you know i'm allergic to latex so i really need to like plan i didn't know if i knew that oh really oh yeah the first two years of sex for me was like i guess this isn't for me because it just it hurts and i need vagisil wipes afterwards and i found out i was allergic to latex and now and also i'm a huge advocate of the sex plan i'm talking weeks in

advance like i'm not one for the spontaneous meeting of genitals so i planned so far in advance i'm like hey get some get some non-latex condoms like really some goat skin uh is that a thing sheepskin not oh sheepskin but then i want to use a goat skin condom but here's the tricky thing is one time when i was briefly dating that vegan he was like i can't get a sheepskin condom. That's not vegan. What'd you do? I don't know. You figure something out. There was a condom present when I arrived for the sex meeting three weeks later. So all's well that ends well.

Well, that's your public health announcement at the top of this Bechdel cast. That's right. Yeah. Should we introduce our guest? I would love that. Super. She is a writer, an actress, also a podcaster because she has a podcast called Love Alexi on the Nerdist Network. Not just any podcaster, an Aristotle associate. Yeah.

So like this is like high caliber guests. Uh-huh. This is like important. I'm very excited. Oh my God. And it is Alexi Wasser hello thank you for having me thanks for being here

oh my god it was so hard to try to be quiet and listen to your intro I'm like tearing up and crying I was like I want to be respectful I know our lives are very sad and I'm thinking with you Caitlin expired condoms doesn't mean you're not having sex it just means you're having unprotected sex no I'm not having sex

I'm not even having any sex but i'm just saying that you know cooler implications call her the raw dog oh my god you ever call it raw dogging yeah yeah i've i have for sure said the sentence i only raw dog when i'm in love before i've never never said that, but I'm going to start. Holy shit. It's a big moment for, you know, I'm like, that's how I have to tell someone I love them for the first time. I'm like, I only raw dog when I'm in love. I only raw dog when I want to be in love.

Right. I'm like, I'm not in love, but I would like to raw dog. So let's see if we can just go on this journey. Shout out to my mom who listens to every episode. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, she's cool. What's her name? Lori. go on this journey. Shout out to my mom who listens to every episode. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, she's cool. What's her name?

She's Lori. Lori's raw dog. For sure. For sure. Oh, yeah. For sure. I'm looking at the results. This is incredible.

Oh, man. My mom listened to our podcast for the first time over the weekend because she, quote, does not understand how podcasts work. Oh. It's as simple as a click, mother. And she came back with you've met my mom and she's like a problematic figure jill loftus i mean how would you describe her because i have years of coloring i mean jill she's a perfectly wonderful woman again i don't have her

as a mother so i don't have quite the same perspective as you. But, you know, she seems like she's a great lady. Okay. So here's the thing with Jill. Also, we're all drinking Mike's Heart Lemonade that Caitlin brought. And Aristotle got iced. And he did. Okay. We'll post the vid on the Twitter because he did an amazing ice.

Like he just, no breaks. I'm going to upload it to youtube and hope that ice culture comes back someday but my mom listened to the podcast for the first time and her mo my whole life has been like let me say the nicest possible thing about your friend and then say and you were fine too oh she's like caitlin is so intelligent and i was like i know she's like, Caitlin is so intelligent. And I was like, I know she's really like she and my mom's like, she went to grad school, right? Which is like not a marker of intelligence at all. For Jill, I mean, Jill's like, and then at the end, she was just like, you and the guests were fine, too. Was this for the Gigli episode?

This is for the Gigli episode. The Gigli, oh God, should I see that? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I haven't seen Oh, God. Should I see that? Yes. Yeah. Yeah? I haven't seen, oh, God, was the Elizabeth Berkley movie. Oh, I haven't seen Showgirls either. I'll be back.

Yeah. We got to talk about it. Yeah. I'm sick of vitamin. Can I have another one of these things? Can I get weirder? I'm sorry. I'm coming off of two, okay?

Because I do have to drive to my mom's house after this. My mom's house. Also, my mom and I got in a fight about Grace and Frankie. Oh, no. Why? About what? It's so Jill. this my mom's house also my mom and i got in a fight about grace and frankie oh no why what it's so jilt like we were talking on the phone the other day and she was like just so you know i watched grace and frankie first and now you're like co-opting my show i was like you're so wrong like i watched grace and frankie first and she's like oh yeah well i watched it in 2014 i was like

well jokes on you it wasn't out in 2014 oh my god and then i was like i hate robert i hate martin sheen's character and she's like because you don't understand him and then we got into a whole squabble and then i hung up and then we called back and we're like the important thing is we both like grace and frankie yeah that'll keep it on the air that'll keep it on wherever it is the air that's so strong like when you tell people you love grace and frankie they do think you're kidding at first. Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess, like, an extreme love for that show, people wouldn't automatically expect.

Excuse me. Excuse my mics. Oh, God. Well, I think it's an important show because there's older women are represented. Yeah. My mom loves it. My mom is the one who turned me on to it. I'm so happy that it's a representative

of like, oh wow, women are still allowed to exist past a certain point. Yeah, and be super funny and focus. I hate Robert. I hate Robert. Sometimes you're a Grace. Sometimes you're a Frankie. Sometimes you can be a Saul, but never be

a Robert or get out of my life. Hey, what if sometimes you're a Th. Sometimes you can be a Saul, but never be a Robert or get out of my life. Hey, what if sometimes you're a Thelma or a Louise? Ooh, transition. I like your style. I like your style. Love it. So yeah, that's the movie we're talking about today. This is probably the longest it's ever taken us to get to.

Oh, really? We're fucking it all up. No, we're always trying to top our record of how long it takes us to get to the subject. See, look, me taking on the blame like a woman does. me being like i'm sorry you guys i'm so sorry we're sharing the victory okay good yeah this movie came out in 91 directed by ridley scott written by callie corey i am not entirely sure how to pronounce her last name. But Thelma Louise, I'll give the recap. The Caitlyn's famous recap, baby. I have a good feeling about this one.

Oh, me too. About this movie or this recap? This recap. Oh. Yeah. Well. I don't know why, but I just feel like I'm really, maybe it's the mic's hard. Could be that.

I feel really ready for this recap. Okay. So we've got Thelma. She's played by Geena Davis. She's a housewife. She has a shitty husband. We've got her very good friend She's played by Geena Davis. She's a housewife. She has a shitty husband. We've got her very good friend, Louise, Susan Sarandon. Louise is like, hey, let's go away for a weekend.

I've got this cabin in the mountains. Let's just go and let our hair down and it'll be great. On their way, they stop at this country bar and this guy named Harlan zones in on them. He's like, hey me and girls you're pretty cute and then he commits some horrible acts of sexual assault against thelma and louise is like hey there motherfucker how would you like a bullet in your chest and so she shoots him because he's about to rape thelma. And then they're like, oh, shit. Oh, my God, we killed a guy. So they've got to flee the scene.

And they drive and they're like, oh, my God, what do we do? We've got to figure this out. They stop at a motel. Louise is like, all right, I'm going to go to Mexico. I'm going to have my boyfriend wire me some money. That's what we're going to do because we can't go to the police. Because why? No one will believe us that he was raping you.

We were getting away. It wasn't really self-defense anymore. There's no proof. This is just how the world works. We got to figure out a different strategy. So they basically become fugitives from the law. They get the money wired to them from Louise's boyfriend, Jimmy. But they meet up with this guy, J.D., a.k.a. Brad Pitt, who's super hot and cute.

But he's a little thief and he snatches all the cash that they had. That's how I describe him. A little thief. A little thief. Hey! Why'd you do that they had. That's how I describe him. A little thief. A little thief. Hey! Why'd you do that? Why'd you do that, JD?

You little scamp. He gets away and he takes all their money. So Thelma takes matters into her own hands and taking actually a little tip from JD, robs a grocery store and gets away with a bunch of cash. So now they're like even more wanted criminals. And they've got the cops on their tail. The cops have gone to Daryl, which is Thelma's husband, and Jimmy and different people. And they're like, oh, my God, where are these ladies?

We got to track them down. What are they doing? And they just keep committing more and more crimes. They can't stop. They can't stop. They fuck with a police officer. They blow up a guy's gasoline hauling vehicle rig. Were we supposed to say spoiler alert before any of this?

Oh, no. We assume that everyone has seen the movie. Yeah, we're going to spoil it. The movie has been. If you're triggered by spoilers or activated by triggers. Please tweet at us. Please tweet at us. They keep committing more crimes and getting in more trouble. And then at the end, they're like, you know what? Let's just, let's go all the way.

And then they drive off a cliff. Amazing, famous, cathartic film moment. I know a lot of people who have never seen this movie. And I think it's because they know how it ends. So like, I don't need to see it. Exactly. I know how lot of people who have never seen this movie, and I think it's because they know how it ends. So, like, I don't need to see it. Exactly. I know how it ends. It's been spoiled.

But you should see this movie if you haven't. I wouldn't even qualify it as a twist ending. It's so good. Like, it's just the ending. Right. Yeah. It's so great. I can't believe it took me so long to watch it.

I watched it for the first time when Caitlin, when you and I were emailing or I emailed you and I was like, let's do this movie. You hadn't seen it at that point? I had not seen it. And then I watched, I was like, Devil Wears Prada or Thelma and Louise. But yeah, I just couldn't believe it took me so long to see this movie and how much I loved it. Oh, and there's also one aspect of it where it's like the Geena Davis character when she's like with Louise and it comes out and it's so subtle and smart how they do it that the reason why Susan Sarandonandon's character was so activated triggered what have you and shot the dude who was trying to rape her best friend in the parking lot was it all ties back to the fact that susan sarandon's character was raped back in the day right she's also a

victim a victim of rape so in a way is the reason why so then you learn later on at the end of the movie oh that's why she you understand at the time rape. So the reason why. So then you learn later on at the end of the movie, oh, that's why. You understand at the time why she shoots the guy because he's a fucking misogynist piece of shit rapist dude. But then later it's even like more layered and special. Which is why one of the reasons why this movie is so good and so well written. Like this movie has so much restraint and it's like withholding of information and then releasing it. And it's like it just keeps building. then releasing it. It just keeps building and every scene heightens from the next

scene. It's just such a... Until there's literally no choice but to drive up. Which is amazing. And that informs the reason... Susan Trandon's character running from the law and not thinking she's going to get... They won't believe her. That's informed by the fact that

they didn't believe her when she was in Texas, right? Right. She probably tried to... This is a movie about two women who are like, we know the system's going to fail us, so we're not going to even try to play by their rules. And they just, like, rebel against it for the entirety. It's so cool to watch.

But also, it's so... Like, the premise of it is so frustrating, or we're frustrated on their behalf, because the only reason that they're acting out in this way, and there's so much anger in this movie, which I love, because you never see... Rape is so often used as a plot tool in movies to explain like that's why she's fucked up because she you know and but this movie like uses that real experience so intelligently and basically that experience colors why they don't trust anyone and oh it's just like it's so well done because almost every movie mishandles it and uses it as a plot tool over like a real character element that informs so many of their decisions that is not directly addressed.

But when you really think about it, you're like, oh, that totally makes sense that that's how she would see that. And sometimes I feel like rape is portrayed. I don't know if you guys agree with this, where it's like it's it's portrayed as this kind of semi sexy thingxy thing in this weird male-gazy way. That's been done before. I don't know. They talk about that misrepresentation where it's like, I'm not saying every single time there's a rape scene in a movie or a TV show,

it's not necessarily sexy, but sometimes it's kind of provocative. There's like an element of that where you're like, oh, wait, are we teaching men who are watching this? This is kind of like sexy. Just like shown in a way that it doesn't look like, oh, a crime is taking place. It looks like how you'd film a sex scene, which is not how this should be. And that's another thing is like the way that film is rape is staged is very stark and it looks bad because it's bad like which is such a simple thing but it so rarely looks bad because

we're so close to the characters and we you know you're seeing like disembodied body parts as opposed to faces and and just the reality of what this looks like from a distance which no one ever shows and it's like it's hard to look at but it's like it's supposed to be it's wrong And it's hard to look at, but it's supposed to be. It's wrong. Who wrote it? Callie Corey. Callie Corey. Do you know what she's written since then? No, I'd have to look it up.

Ellen Barkin was supposed to play one of the parts. Did you hear that? No, I didn't. She turned it down. I don't know who she was supposed to play. Interesting. I love the casting, though. Me too. The casting is great uh all my current issues with susan sarandon aside wait what are they what are those she was essentially a bernie bro and then she said don't vote don't vote for hillary she's a part of the problem yeah but uh but she does very well in this movie and it it was a long time ago. For context, I think the context of the year this came out is really interesting.

And I was reading some of the reviews when it came out in 91 of, like, critics were not sure what to do with this movie. And they're like, it looks feminist, but it actually isn't for A, B, and C. And this was right around the Anita Hill hearings with Justice Clarence Thomas and all this stuff was going on. What do I have? It's a Time article where this was around the time where there were just starting to be women

in the House of Representatives. And the year after this, 92, a.k.a. Jamie's year, was called the year of the woman, a.k.a. Jamie's year. And it's Aristotle's year year too right hell yeah oh you guys are young you guys little babies and then i also have this cool quote from callie cory that i found she said this last year 2016 for the 25th anniversary she said as a female moviegoer i just got fed up with the passive role of women. They were never driving the story because they were never driving the car. I was like, love it, Callie. Okay, that's the Jamie context check.

Sure, got it. It's kind of fascinating that this movie came out when it did because the reasons they have for not wanting to go to the police and them not believing them and they don't have enough evidence and people will essentially victim blame her like, oh, you were asking for it because you were dancing with him cheek to cheek all night. Those are still the things that we face today. Today, yeah. It has unfortunately not gotten any better. Basically, women often do not report when they are sexually assaulted. If they do report it, they are often not taken very seriously by law enforcement. The perpetrators of the sexual assault are often not brought to any sort of justice or they do not face any consequences legally. And this is still happening today. So it stands to reason why they would also in 1991 when the story was taking place i can't imagine what it must have felt like in 1991 right it's this bad now like i don't know like i was debating on the way over i'm like i don't want to talk about this do i not because caitlin you know but i i mean i went

through a similar experience like that in college where i was assaulted by my own boyfriend and i mean it's still going on it's been like four years of just you know years of like don't report it don't say anything there's no physical evidence no one's gonna believe you then starting to talk about it and sure shit no one fucking believes you because you know you're still with this person and that's the whole you know abuse cycle and even when I went to the police a couple of years ago, it was, you know, I didn't have any physical evidence. What could they do? Or that's, you know, what you're told that I was in college at the time. You tell the school they don't do anything. And it's still like it's the same thing we're now to the point where now like the most recent thing that's happened is i i started talking about it and then was told by this person's legal representation to like shut up or

they'll retaliate legally so it's like i mean it's not any easier now it's just it's crazy watching this movie and thinking in any way that someone could like view louise saying they're not going to do anything about it and have doubt about that because the i mean look at the brock turner case like the system habitually fails victims to the point where a lot of people feel like there's no fucking point in doing it because it's like such a traumatic experience and odds are you'll lose like money and like, you know, pride and like everything because they just fucking drag you. And all like all the backlash that the victims get when they come forward in especially like very public cases like the Bill Cosby case. So many people were like, you're just doing this for money or attention.

And it's like, what? How could you even possibly fathom that that's why a victim is coming forward? So it's bonkers. So, yeah, these problems still persist over 25 years ago when this movie was made. You know, who knows how much worse it was back then. Listen to your friends. Yeah. Believe it when women come

forward about these things it's not like a fun fun thing to just say yeah yeah so we are getting very heavy on a podcast that's usually quite light and fun well yeah to be fair we are still drinking mics we are yeah i'm getting like sad drunk now so i wanted to address this uh because it's relevant to the movie and it's important but we can also talk about other aspects of the movie for example the characters we've got selma and louise another reason this movie is so well done is that the writer has written two very distinct and developed characters. You take Thelma. She and Louise both have a sense of humor,

but just getting down to the very specifics of it, Louise has a more dry and sarcastic sense of humor, whereas Thelma is kind of goofy. Louise is kind of strategic and methodical in her thinking, whereas Thelma is more carefree. Well, because Thelma is like more carefree and well because Thelma is younger right I think that she's supposed to be right I didn't yeah I'm not entirely sure I don't well regardless of age I feel like it's sort of established earlier on that Louise

is like the more worldly of the two and has is less I'd like hesitate to say naive but you know has like more worldly I guess yeah well so I felt like when I was naive, but, you know, has like more worldly. Sure. Also, I felt like when I was watching it, when Thelma, because Gina Davis, she's in that dysfunctional, unhealthy relationship with her husband. I feel like in a way she's kind of she's assuming the same role in her relationship. I mean, it's healthier, but she's assuming the same role in her friendship with Louise, Susan Sarandon's character, because it's like, again, she's kind of being like bossed around or kind of, and lesser, more gentle, you know,

it's more loving for sure, but in a sisterly kind of way, but it's like, still. I mean, she kind of relies on Louise, like, you lead this,

you tell me what to do. Yeah, because that's how she lives her, she navigates her life and the same thing in her friendship or whatever. She's the beta. Right. She's the beta.

She's the beta, baby. Motherfucking beta. But yeah, I mean, and it just goes to show that these are just two very distinct and like multi-dimensional characters. Who grow and change. They do. They are dynamic as fuck. I love them.

Oh, and Thelma, I thought it was so smart how they, by the way, it makes me love Ridley Scott because he made this movie. I was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. He's so with it. But when, okay, so Thelma has a fling with the nubile, dewy, ripped, fucking gorgeous Brad Pitt. An early, early Brad Pitt is already gorgeous. We know yawn, snooze, whatever. But he's so nubile and sexy and hot as fuck.

Oh, my God. I love the word nubile let's bring it back it's great it's back baby oh but when so gina davis has this like fling she's this hot sexy rendezvous sex romp whatever in a shithole motel with you like whatever be more rooting for her during this oh my god it's like oh yeah so she's fucking getting getting fucked by whatever sorry i don't know if i can curse on your back. Yes, for sure. So, Geena Davis is getting slammed by Brad Pitt. And during that rendezvous, she goes, well, how do you rob these places? How do you hold a place, you know, or whatever, a liquor store or whatever?

How do you make your money? And he reenacts what he does, like, when he robs a liquor store. And then later, after Brad Pitt steals all the money from the girls, Geena Davis retains and remembers the lesson that Brad Pitt, the thief, gave her when they were having their fucking sex romp. And then she's like, hey, wait a minute. I know what to do because I learned from the guy who actually stole the money how to do this. And then she goes and robs the liquor store. And it was just so smart.

It just all makes so much sense. It all pieces together. It's funny. And, yeah, and to see the evolution of her character where Geena Davis is like I think this is my calling like where she's like realizes like

she's a fucking badass I mean she's been so repressed by Daryl her awful husband that like the first chance she gets to like

kind of break free she's like this this is me this is who I've always been who's Susan Sarandon's boyfriend husband guy his name is Jimmy and he's played by Michael Madsen another Stone Cold Fox Like this, this is me. This is who I've always been. Who's Susan Sarandon's boyfriend, husband, guy? His name is Jimmy and he's played by Michael Madsen.

Another Stone Cold Fox. Who is Kill Bill? Oh, really? Who? He's Bud. Is he married? Oh, let's check. And also, do these men exist anymore?

Because I have a crush only on 60-year-olds now. I have a crush on, am I allowed to talk about this? Am I allowed to talk about my crushes? Tim Burton, Brian Koppelman, who's married and I would never date a married man. I'm just saying it's like these are my celeb crushes or people I'm aware of who I think are handsome. Anthony Bourdain. Okay. Interesting.

Come on, these men. So do men like that Madsen guy or whatever. Michael Madsen did get puffy. Oh, so did Vince Vaughn, which is such a bummer. Yeah, it's so weird when men reach a certain age and they just get puffy. Yeah. I'm body shaming. Good.

Let us do that to them. Reparations, baby. Stop getting so puffy. Ben Affleck and Gone Girl. Puffy as fuck. Oh, really?

Oh my God. He's a cheater. It's the puffiest movie of all time. I'm going to like, I'm bringing down like the, the, the highbrow nature of your podcast. Oh love that you call our podcast high i'm like can we talk about we talk about dates we've been on with magicians oh that's true a mentalist spent the

entire uh boogie nights episode just yelling hogs out hogs out baby they're not highbrow hog means out hogs out baby hogs out they're not highbrow hog means private hog means the old but i i would be remiss if we didn't talk about old crushes without a quick shout out to alfred molina sure my beefcake oh my god is he married probably i don't know i don't know my uh i old man crush is uh which is like not at all original or anything like that. Tell me. Oh, Jeff Goldblum. Well, yes.

Goldblum. But Paul Newman. But even as like an 80-year-old man, I would have still rolled around. Solid boy. Using his vinaigrette as lubricant. Oh, my. That's an infection waiting to happen. We can't do that for you.

I will just use some Vagisil. I have some expired Vagisil. Oh my, that's an infection waiting to happen. We can't do that for you. I will just use some Vagisil wipes. I mean, you need some fresh ones for sure. Also, Alfred Molina has been married to his wife for longer than I've been a lot. Alfred, I want to sit on his face. You do? I want to sit on his old face.

That's how he dies. I want to kill him with my love. Our conversation is not passing the Bechdel want to kill him with my love. Our conversation is not passing the Bechdel test right now. I told you I was going to devolve your whole fucking feminist ideal. Oh my God. I'm all like, anyway, I have a crush. You guys understand that?

I would propose an asterisk to the Bechdel test, which is talking about fucking Alfred Molina should pass the Bechdel test. No, you're talking about murdering... Smothering him with your love twist. That's totally passed the test. And honestly, he might just drown. It might not even be a smother. Anyway, moving on. I do want to talk about

the sex scene between J.D. and Thelma. Where the first shot you see of that is just Brad Pitt's very chiseled, hot body, and it pans from his face down to his, like, abs, or maybe vice versa, but, like, you just see, like, a lingering shot on his body.

And, like, yeah, you also see shots of scantily dressed Thelma, but I like that it's, like, like equal parts, like hot naked bodies together. Equal parts for unequal pay. Whoa. And we're back. And we're back. Well, I bet Geena Davis made more money on this movie than Brad Pitt did.

It could be because his character is only on screen for, you know, 10 minutes. And he looked at us when it happened. I bet he paid more still. That's the problem. Whatever, guys. I'm sorry. Stop appalling women. Well, that reminds me of the scene where they've been pulled over by the cop later on in the film.

And he takes Louise back to his car. And he's like about to run the license plate number. And Thelma comes up and she's like, hey, I'm going to stick this gun in your face. You're going to get into the trunk of your own car. But the whole time they're doing it, they're just like profusely apologizing. It's so funny. And like part of me is like,

I wish they didn't have to apologize so much, but it is, it is like kind of played for comedy. And I do enjoy it. Cause I would also probably do the same exact thing in that situation. I'd be like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I'm stealing your gun.

And I'm so sorry that I'm locking you in your trunk. And they're just so polite and apologetic about it. And I really enjoyed the scene. They're holding a mirror up. Yeah. That was so... Because that's closer. I mean, as fun as it would have been to have them go scar face and be like, get in the trunk.

That's not... It wouldn't play because, I mean, that's not how they're conditioned. That's not how they're conditioned. And also, these characters are very new still at being these rogue outlaws. Renegades. So it's more believable that they would be like, oh my god, I'm so sorry, police officer. And they shot holes so he could breathe in there. That's right.

Wasn't that nice? They're very considerate. We're maternal. We're women. We can do it all. We can have compassion. Later on, there's a scene which is like i would argue maybe a little out of place but i also don't mind that it happens where that guy comes up on the bicycle and he's

like smoking a joint and it's about racism right i mean it's like i'm not gonna help you exactly fuck the police and he just blows his like weed smoke into the air hole of the cop and then he just rides away and i was like yeah i'm glad that happened like that that's a detail because we were talking before the podcast started caitlin and i about uh writing stuff and whatever and i feel like that's an example of like a scene in a screenplay that could have easily been cut but they're like no let's leave it we're leaving it in i'm glad they did me too did you know that callie corey is married to t-bone barnett oh sexy callie cory also made the nashville reboot that is her most recent career move go callie yeah so t-bone started working on callie's nashville but then

left after 13 episodes and everyone was like is there trouble in the t-bone cali marriage the world was a buzz and then t-bone came out and was like listen i love my wife i love working with her however you know they need a healthy distance and also he had only agreed to 13 episodes so the fact that he didn't continue is not a reflection on t-bone and in fact is just a testament to the fact that he didn't continue is not a reflection on t-bone and in fact it's just a testament to the fact that callie's got it go on t-bone work on inside lewin davis we're not worried and callie was like see you later see you at home yeah love you it's like they have a great relationship katie seagal uh and her husband on uh sons of anarchy he created the show there you go another you, you know, beautiful relationship.

At some point, it's just like, I don't want to commute to work with you, you know? Yeah. Now, are we supposed to learn from the Bechdel test or is the Bechdel test supposed to learn from us as women? Because here's the question, because I find myself in my day-to-day just going, how much time do I waste

talking to every Starbucks, every barista at every Starbucks, every girlfriend I have about whatever relationship turmoil I'm going through, like my dating issues, my conundrums, whatever. And then I go, oh, my God, at what point is it about me venting and processing and turn into just a time suck of me obsessing over relationships and men. And then it's a real thing that exists in real life. And that's why I feel like it's shown in movies of women talking about relationships. That's not all we talk about. But it's like I've got to remember this in real life and that's why i feel like it's shown in movies of women talking about relationships that's not all we talk about but it's like uh i've got to remember this in my life it's gonna be a lesson to me in the future right so when i start dating again if i ever do not to

always talk about it i mean having a life that passes the vectal test yeah not me yeah that's what i'm saying yeah my our life my life fails the vectal test no but it doesn't because it's like the vectal test isn't about only talking about things that aren't men. It's just doing that at all. So really every woman's life passes the Bechdel test. If you call your mom and you're like, can I use expired Vagisil wipes? Already I've passed the Bechdel test for the day. Because that's about the opposite of a man.

That's about expired feminine products. So it's like, you know, no one's life is going to pass the bechdel test i'm certain caitlin and my text conversations would not pass the bechdel really a lot of the time sure yeah it's just like you know whose instagram are you on but what what do you mean oh we're just talking about boys oh see because it's so fun because we're multi-faceted wait yeah aristotle do you ever talk to your guy friends about girl stuff? You don't? Are you wasted? I'm boring. You're boring?

He's fucked up on a Smirnoff. He's always the Smirnoff. He's shugged a Smirnoff ice. Aristotle is the sweetest baby boy we've ever known. I got, there's a page that put up a joke of mine this week. The kind of page where you're like, someone's going to hate me for being a woman. You can't win. You can't win, but I was looking forward to the variation on which i could not win because it's like once you know you're gonna get fucking roasted it's like what now i'm just strapping in and who who has the best

burn you know and at the time this was like a picture of me about a year ago my hair was way shorter and the comment said like some variant on like who does this short-haired bitch think she is giving me sex tips oh and it was from a woman oh isn't that the worst when it's like a woman hating woman i looked at her profile she was a long-haired bitch so oh my god we're just like female dogs that's not the answer actually that reminds me of a story beat that i didn't pick up on until this very recent rewatch of thelma and louise where the waitress who serves them like clearly knows harlan he's the guy who attempts to rape thelma um she seems to know that he is like maybe we can only speculate as to what degree.

Right. But she like she knows that he's kind of trouble because then whenever Hal, Harvey Keitel, the lead investigator, is questioning her. She's saying like he like I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. It was probably his wife who shot him. Like, she clearly knew that this was coming to him. And we can maybe assume that he has sexually assaulted other women throughout her tenure. I'd say it's safe to say that, yeah. So I was a little bit bugged by the fact that, like, I don't know, she didn't warn these women, that she wasn't more of, like, an ally to them. We're like, stay away from him.

He's trouble. That's true. That's a tricky gray area though because it's like especially if you're at because even now it's like if you put yourself in that sort of position where it's like you're a stranger to someone and you don't want to alarm them to the point where they want to leave your place of business but it's also also, I don't know. That's like a hard interaction to have. But it was interesting to see the fact that it's like, oh, for me that was more of a plot indication of like,

this is not his first assaulting women rodeo. I don't know. Also, I did like Harvey Keitel's character. Yeah, he's really gunning for them. He was gunning for them like in a positive way yeah trying to shoot them with a gun like yeah he was just like he's not trying to gun them down he's trying to gun them yeah it does make sense it totally makes sense but yeah he was but i you know i appreciated that and uh i mean i had other stuff to say with this mike's lemonade was making me all so foggy. Everything's blurring. I just, uh, gulped down the warm dregs of, like, the can. And it was, like, so syrupy and alcoholic.

Oh, I loved it. I loved every bit. My indie band is called the Worm Dregs. The Warm Dregs? The Worm Dregs. The Worm Dregs or the Warm? The Worm Dregs. No, you might be distracted by my tattoo, which is of a worm.

Oh! Are we having a third? Is that your second? This is my second. No, you might be distracted by my tattoo, which is of a worm. Oh! Are we having a third? Is that your second? This is my second. I was like, so excited! I'm down for third. Let's do a third. You're having a third. He's having a third. Come on! Oh my god, Aristotle just took his top off, Channing Tatum style. We're not even

talking about that movie. How did he do that? When he's harnessed into his chair, we've tied him. By the way, I don't know if all of us are alt-flavor girls, because I definitely am. I have bangs, and I'm from Los Angeles or whatever. I'm kind of like alt or whatever. But do you guys feel, I know we're talking about Thelma and Louise, and we'll get right back to it. We will, we will.

But you know when you watch, what's the movie, Channing Tatum? Oh, Magic Mike. Are we all guilty of like, well, I'm not normally into those kind of meathead guys, but like, oh my God. He's so hot. They seem like they're having so much fun. He's just so hot i mean don't you feel like didn't you like get didn't you lust after him a bit oh for sure oh my god i couldn't believe me i was so disappointed and exhilarated and that's not like the the

chiseled like grecian that's like not my type but what is your type he's having so much fun oh my god you guys we're failing the bechdel cat oh my god i ruined it's me i take all this okay but going yes beef cakes and small men all the way that's my mo beef cakes and small i like yeah i like frail pretty boys but you do oh my god we're like never in competition one of those girls oh my god i have like we're out of control we're letting our hair down just like helman louise so much fun let's drive off a cliff and by drive off a cliff i mean fuck a guy named cliff and then oh let's talk about the let's talk about feminism what's shit. What's the movie? The Thelma and Louise. Oh my God.

I'm like losing the, I'm losing the thread. What is it called? I'm losing the narrative. There's an Avril Lavigne lyric that describes exactly what I'm feeling right now, but I can't remember it. Let's find it. Do you know that song where she's like- He was a skater boy.

Is that a Vanara song? No, I used to have, I used to have a crush on a skater boy. Shout out to Steven Massaroni. He's like, stop talking massaroni if you want to date me when i'm 14 you're the skateboard you're so cute you got so tall you got too tall for it i got i got too tall for like everybody every romantic interest in high school we're both the same height you guys it's true we're both like six feet tall do you remember that website post secret what post secret no was there a book that was made it like a coffee table book yeah it was a website it was like really really really popular when i was in high school and you would make a you would make a collage on

a postcard and would say your secret on it and then you'd mail it to this guy and he'd put it on his really popular website and one time i got my postcard onto PostSecret, but they're all anonymous, so you don't know. And it was about how I was 5'11", but I had a crush on a boy who was 5'3". And I made this collage of legs and then a really small boy. And I sent it, and they were like, this is a great secret. Oh, my God. He needs to know. We should call him. Oh, my God. He needs to know. We should call him. Is he still alive?

He's still alive. He might be dealing heroin with my cousin. Oh, cool. Oh, my God. Wow. He was so cute in 2007, though. And it's like, I wish we could make it work. I mean, we are derailed.

And I will just throw this out in the door right back to you, Caitlin. But I'm listening to Candice Bergen's, Candy Bergen for those in the know, but her autobiography about her love affair and marriage to Louis Malle, who made

My Dinner with Andre and a bunch of other movies. Oh, okay. Their love story is incredible. Googled photos because I always like to know what people look like who are experiencing a better love than I might ever have. And she's way taller than him. And it's kind of inspiring. Daniel Radcliffe and his girlfriend, too. Sometimes I look at pics of them and I'm like, you know what?

It's possible. It's possible. Kaylin, what were you going to say? Kaylin's like, get out. Get the fuck out. I love small names so much. I wanted to talk about the really gross, pervert-y truck driver who they encounter a few different times. Yes, yes, yes. So, well, first of all, I think the first time they encounter him, he says something like, I'm your muff driver.

I'm your storm trooper of love. And I just want to say that if someone said that to me I'd be like swoon someone that I like just like used a Star Wars reference as a pickup line on me it would work is all I'm saying I'm just getting a feel for what the bar is here it is low and but then like and then they encounter

him a couple more times and the third time rule of threes guys rule of threes yes yes yes love it they're like pull over let's do this and then they yell at him for being gross

and disgusting and then they blow the shit out of his truck in a huge explosion it is one of my favorite scenes of any movie ever

can we talk about how this is the third movie we've discussed on this podcast that Stephen Tobolowsky who is the guy who plays Ned Ryerson. He plays Ned Ryerson in all the movies?

In every single movie. He's always in character as Ned Ryerson. That is so cool. He's so method. Like Harvey Keitel is like, I want to go help these girls. And he's just like, I'm Ned Ryerson. Oh, my God. It's a great scene.

Hey, I have a relevant comment. I haven't had one in about 30 minutes. Yes, you have. So I feel like I'll have one. Another variation on apologies from women. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that apology. I'm not sorry.

One of the cool things about this movie, all Susan Sarandon, Burning Bros. shit aside, is that this movie seemed to really activate, for lack of a better word, a lot of pro-women activism for Susan Sarandon and especially Geena Davis, who has since started the Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media, which is this really cool organization that does a lot of studies about how women are represented.

I mean, it's perfect for us to talk about. And there's a great thing from last year. I've got some stats for you. Yes. Here are the stats from the Gina Davis Institute on Gender and Media. For every one female speaking character, there are three male characters. Women only make up about 17% of people shown in crowds in live action and animated movies, and just about 7% of directors, about 13% of writers, and about 20% of producers are female. This is a statistic, unfortunately, from last year, not 1991. So it is very cool that this movie seemed to really resonate with the people involved with it, as well as the people who saw it. I've like made it a life's mission to have everyone I know see this movie.

Really? People are like, what do you want for your birthday? And I'll be like, watch Thelma and Louise. Oh, my God. I'm going to tweet about it after this. Wait, by the way, does Geena Davis produce movies? Does she have a production company? Because she should.

I'm not sure. I found out about her and what you're talking about when I saw Misrepresentation, which every should watch misrepresentation i was weeping it's i think it's on netflix it was on netflix but you can find it just google it the only thing that bothered me about that documentary is that it it places a lot of emphasis on the movie twilight as like being a good no example of like abuse abuse abuse abuse oh i didn't even realize that. The first, I mean, not a ton, but like, the fact that it acknowledges it all as a movie that should be like, oh,

look how, I mean, it was directed by a woman, but that movie is garbage and that character is garbage. But apart from that, it's like, you set that aside

and just watch the rest of it. It is a very good documentary. So check out Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Yeah, Linda Opes, have you read her book? She wrote a book called Hello, He Lied.

She's like an old school badass producer, woman producer. And she, I was working on something with her and she was like, Twyla, you don't understand. She's just dysfunctional. It's like her only options are choosing these two men. And I was like, oh, it's insane. I was like, oh my God, I had no idea. They're so cute.

Like an idiot. The point in, because my mom, classic Jill, she owned a box set of the Twilight books and was like, Jamie, you've got to read these. They're so romantic. And I did enjoy some of them. But you reach a point in the thing where Aristotle is straight up. How did he get out of his handcuffs? We cuffed him to the chair.

He escaped his shackles. But there is a point in the Twilight books where the girl, what's her name, Bella, she is broken up with by Edward Cullen. And then there's a whole chapter that is just empty pages to represent the fact that she's now a member inside. You read the books? I read the books. And there's empty pages to represent how she felt, which is nothing. Oh my god. For months, like three months. I need to make this movie that I wrote that I

forced Caitlin to listen to the story about. We gotta find Janet Davis. She better have, oh my god, I cannot believe, I didn't even realize there were empty pages in a book in the Twilight actual book. There's empty pages to indicate three months of a young girl's i mean but the funny thing is heartbreak is real heartbreak is real but it's like i put it on you also go to school yeah you don't process it by just having complete emptiness yeah i throw myself into my work that's how i you know take my shame and my sadness and i put it into something after my first after my

first breakup i really threw myself into the school play you did which one for sure it was I played classic women part I played a sassy secretary sassy secretary but like I like owned it you know first what Susan Sarandon said last year after Thelma and Louise they predicted there would be so many films about women but it never happened and i thought that was an interesting thing for her to say because i would wonder i mean i don't know what the stats were on how well women were represented when this movie came out definitely not well but i wonder how that compares to now where are they represented well now no don't you feel like movies from the 70s 80s and 90s a better job representing like fierce fucking intense women well like between like alien

and even like pre-production code movies from like the 30s the women's movies pre-production code are fucking unbelievable what's pre-production so the production code the hayes production code which was instilled between like i think 1934 and like 1967 which basically was all about censorship hollywood basically couldn't release movies that had you couldn't have like interracial couples you couldn't have anything like sexy on screen you couldn't have uh like overt violence any sexuality had to kind of be implied or suggested that you couldn't have any sex on screen. It's why so many movies from the 50s and 40s are just not that racy. And you don't see sex

on screen until the late 60s. So it was basically just a way to censor movies. And then it was lifted in 1968, I want to say. That sounds about right. And then you see all the 70s wave of male, but auteurs who show sex on screen, sometimes well, sometimes not.

Either way, it's at least shown. There are some movies I love older. We never cover older movies. Oh, my God. So it's always like, Jamie has never seen any movies, but have. But they're all just, no one watches them. Can I come back in like a year, whenever you'll have me? Can we all talk about An Unmarried Woman, which is my favorite?

That's such a good. Have you seen that? Yeah. I know we got to go back to some of the movies. Oh, my God, please. I mean, if you have the guest, whoever the guest you want to be, I'm completely wasted, obviously, clearly. Stop apologizing. But An Unmarried Woman is one of my favorite movies.

And then I also love Broken English and Swingers. But first and foremost, for women's sake, I think An Unmarried Woman, just you guys watch it, talk about it with whoever you want. I'm available. But whatever. A great next Bechtel cast.

A few older movies that I would recommend before we do get back to talking about Thelma and Louise. Thelma and what? I like how I've become like the weird podcast Nazi where I'm like, we have to stay on the edge. No! Somebody has to do it. Because you're fucking with it. You know what you're doing, girl. Yeah, killing us together.

But two movies that I absolutely love. The first one, I need to rewatch but I am not convinced that it passes the Bechdel test. We're all so wasted. Wow, very entitled. You can pick the whole world.

It doesn't pass the Bechdel test. The Women, which came out in 1939, which literally, if I'm remembering correctly, there is never a man in the movie. It's so good, and it's... If there is a man, I mean, it's very

brief, but this movie I do not think passes the Bechdel test in Spain. Because they're talking about men the whole time? Because they're arguing about men the whole time, but it is directed by George Cukor, who was considered the women's director of the time, and he did make a lot of great movies with powerful female protagonists. It's directed by George Cukor, who was considered the women's director of the time. And he did make a lot of great movies with powerful female protagonists. It's also an early Joan Crawford movie.

It's really good. And then the other one that I watched recently is Gaslight, which is an interesting movie for people who either have been in abusive relationships or are interested in learning where the term gaslight comes from because it literally comes from this movie. It was like a play first and then it was a British movie in 1940, American movie in 1944 with Ingrid Bergman. But the British version is really, really good and it's about this husband

who slowly convinces his wife that she's crazy so he can get away with cheating on her and in classic 1940s style, stealing her jewels. Oh, stealing her jewels. Stealing her jewels. Or if you're me. At the end, he's like,

I've been stealing your jewels the whole time. She's like, I'm not crazy. You've been stealing my jewels. Oh my god. Hey, speaking of abusive relationships. Here we go. Oh, it's the podcast dictator.

No, the podcast dictator. Speaking of that type of relationship, though, one of my other favorite scenes in this movie is when Louise is like, Thelma, you've got to call Daryl. See if he knows anything. Because at this point, they suspect that the police might be on to them because they've committed several crimes. And she's like, if he acts weird, if he does something like hang up right away, because it means the police know. So Thelma calls. She's like, hey, it's Thelma. And Daryl goes, Thelma, hello.

And she hangs up immediately because she knows he would never answer the phone like that under normal circumstances because he's such a bastard and it is just the male. That's me drunk. I just had an Instagram meet drunk. Betsy is, I've never felt this good in my whole life. I'm still listening. I don't need therapy. I have a podcast. Me too.

This is my therapy. Let's get a t-shirt. I want to make a t-shirt so bad but i don't podcast of anything of anything i want that's why i keep buying all my friends i'm wearing my friend gina winbrant's t-shirt we're talking about pre-pod but everyone everyone check out gina winbrant she wrote this amazing book called Someone Please Have Sex With Me. And also buy her T-shirts because she's very she's like so talented. And she's in Chicago. And it's like, my friend, I can't see you.

Does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? If you haven't seen this movie, please see this movie. Also, we've spoiled everything, but we've spoiled it anyway. But like watching the dynamics between these characters unfold really is a masterclass. Not just in movie writing, because I remember when I was in film school. You went to film school too? Sort of. I technically majored in radio, but I took a lot of film classes.

Hey, you're living your dream right now. You have a podcast. We all are friends now. You're going to give me notes on MyScript, and you are too. I do that professionally. You do? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

Shout out to Karen. You just made the biggest mistake of your life, letting me have your email address and letting me touch your arm. I'm very expensive. Oh, no. I've got nothing. No, actually, I'm pretty reasonable. I've compared to other people who provide similar services. Oh my God, I can't afford it.

We'll talk. Any amount of money? I can't afford it. I'm just going to finish my third free Mike's Car Lemonade and invite you onto my podcast and pay me for this. I'll keep going. I'll try to finagle something out of you. Okay.

Pointing to Jamie. But I'm sorry, what's going on? Wait. So any final thoughts? This movie is great oh yeah i was told i was told like even when i was in film school to read the screenplay this movie just because it's such a great exercise in like story structure um so all you story heads out there story heads shout out to my story heads, baby. I have a big story head following. Sure, sure, sure.

So to all my story heads, read this movie and see this movie just because it portrays women in a way that is not skewed or insane. And, you know, like these characters are making drastic choices, but they're all very grounded and you don't see that a lot. Everyone see this movie to that i would like to add that women are so rarely written well or at least written interestingly because different times we've discussed a movie where like the one woman character is a badass like trinity from the matrix but she's not necessarily like she can kick yeah she can kick it's my favorite it's my favorite

coat and she's cool. And she might have some quippy lines of dialogue, but she doesn't really feel like a real person. Like these two women feel like real women. It's just so refreshing to see that on screen. And sometimes, you know, I don't mind it if a character is just like, I wear cool sunglasses and I punch people and I have a cool line of dialogue. I'm over it. It depends on the genre. Like, sometimes it's fine.

But yeah, I just love this movie so much. In regards to the only kicking female in a lot of action movies, I feel like I've said that a couple different times, like a, I kick. And that is completely lifted from this really good McSweeney's article that everyone should read called, As the token female member of this action adventure team my job is to kick and it's by a writer named juliana gray it is so fucking funny it starts i wear black leather pants i wear spike heeled boots when i kick i pivot like a goth ballerina and drive a heel into a villain's face it is a hundred percent every token female

action hero and it's so good so read it i would just like to say caitlin i apologize for not respecting you accepting money for your services because you're a woman and a human being and you provide a service and the fact that i'm trying to not pay for it is really fucked up just want to say that second of all thank you for letting me be here. And thank you for coming. We're so happy you're here. And for, you know, mucking up your podcast, taking it down a notch. You're 12 talking about boys. Haven't you heard we are very highbrow? Yeah, I know. And I ruined it today, but I will get better. Okay. It's a work in progress. You're wonderful. Another thing that I would like to say is Thelma and Louise made me

want to go on a road trip of the best, well, A, get a best friend. Okay. Go find a car that could manage to drive and go on a road trip, fucking murder a misogynist rapist. Mainly have sex with somebody like Brad Pitt and then drive off a cliff and kill myself. That's like, that's how moved I was. And now knowing that there's a misrepresentation of women in film is like so intense and heightened makes me want to like even more inspired to make the movie that I just wrote and fucking find Geena Davis and like make a movie that's like the modern, there are not enough Thelma and Louises now. We need more Thelma and Louises.

So I'm inspired. Here's another thing with this, doing this podcast today made me feel. I have to share my feelings. Please. Sloppy and tipsy styles. This is therapy. I have lots of things I want to be doing and aspire to in my life. But then I realized the joy I experienced just sitting here with you ladies and being in the moment, talking about stuff and living my gosh darn life. Does this make me realize what life is all about?

Just having fun time meeting new girls and drinking my star lemonade and talking about feelings or whatever. Okay? You're welcome Just having fun time. I'm meeting new girls. I'm like drinking my star. I'm like talking about feelings or whatever. Okay. You're welcome. That was beautiful. I will never be back. Okay. Let me come back sometime. Yes.

Anytime. I'm like feeling really good right now. Yeah. I'm going to the opera tonight, guys. That's so high. You can read my clickbait article about it. Probably by the time this episode comes out. Sorry. This is how I make my living. Okay. it probably by the time this episode comes out. Sorry.

This is how I make my living. Okay. Don't end me. I got to pay for things. I get it. I have to overcharge for script analysis. I get it. It's complicated.

Anyway, Alexi, it has been the biggest pleasure to have you here. The best. Is there anything you would like to plug or where can people find you online? I just want to say I love both of you. You're both my new friends. I wanted to invite you to be on my podcast. It's called Love Alexi on Nerdist. Aristotle is also my producer.

Hey, I'll see you on the other side. Oh my gosh, there is another end to this rainbow. Oh, can we just all assume we gave this five nipples? Right. We have to... Does the movie pass the becto test obviously yes pretty much any scene where thelma and louise are together sometimes they do talk about daryl and how he's a piece of shit sometimes they talk about jimmy and how he also kind of

sucks they also objectified jd quite a bit but most of their conversations are about their plans on how they're going to handle the situation they're in, the trip that they're going to take before everything goes to shit, etc. What was happening, Jamie? I just... I'm sorry. First of all, I'm drunk. Second of all, I just got so close to the mic

on accident, like I might... like, that I smelled it. Ew! Does it smell bad? No. It smells kind of good. It smells like people's thoughts. Oh, good. But I got so close that my nostril was resting on the mic

and then I inhaled like deeply. Quick pitch, real quick. Before we throw it back to Caitlin, what if a whole movie happened inside a woman's head when she's overthinking? And she's like, what did it all mean

when you didn't take me there? I think this is what happened. I'm glad we have this on audio. Because now you have to write this movie. This is your idea. This is yours. Do it. All right. Well, I'm on this plane, babe. I gotta get out of here. The movie passes the Bechdel test.

No question about it. We rate the movie on a... God, how do you talk? It passes. It gets 15 nipples. Yes, I give the talk? It passes. It gets 15 nipples. 15 nipples. Yes, I give the movie five nipples. Five nipples. Alexi, would you like to rate on our nipple scale? Fully five nipples, Selma and Louise.

15 nipples. I love when we have 15 nipples in the room. Selma and Louise, super movie. Very well done. We love it. Let's bring a 12-pack of Mike's Heart every time. Yeah. Yes, listen to Alexi's podcast

love Alexi listen to our podcast the Bechtel cast you can find us online on twitter at Bechtel cast you can email us at the Bechtel cast at gmail.com we read the emails now we do we forgot that we had an email account and then we

were like oh no we're like the emails we've gotten some emails from fans oh no everyone's complaining We forgot that we had an email account. And then we were like, oh, no. We're like the emails. We've gotten some emails from fans. Oh, no. Everyone's complaining about our emails. Right. It's a scandal. Yeah.

Yes, please, emails. We will. It might take us some time to write back, but we promise that we will. Stop talking about our damn emails. Everyone just, man, don't drive off a cliff. No, stay on the edge of that cliff And just fucking live Live on the edge Live on the edge of the cliff And then grab your best friend

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