The Bechdel Cast - Titanic with Aparna Nancherla

Episode Date: February 14, 2017

It's Caitlin and Jamie's final voyage into insanity on Titanic, a three hour movie they can recite by memory. Aparna Nancherla is our first-class guest and we read from James Cameron's perverted script, hear clips of C&J watching Titanic in real time and declare what a badass Rose Dewitt-Bukater is. Love is dead and so is Jack!(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @aparnapkin on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi I'm Caitlin Durante I'm Jamie Loftus And... I don't know why I'm blanked Okay, well I've been starting it a couple times now, but I always sort of check under my... I forgot how to do it. I forgot how to talk.

It's okay. I'm very distraught right now. This is the episode we've been waiting for. This is. In a lot of ways. I know. I feel really... I feel a lot of pressure.

It's a Valentine's Day episode. Do you have Valentine's... Oh, maybe that's not a good question to ask. If I have plans? Yeah. Oh, absolutely not. Oh, I'm doing a show on Valentine's Day. Oh, that's fun.

Yeah, at our bar. Oh, I know the one you're talking about. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Cool. I'm watching The Jinx with my friend, and then we're going to the Robert Durst case the next morning. Oh, that's right. Mm-hmm.

We've talked about that. So this is a Bechdel cast. We talk about women and their representation in movies. Usually it's bad. Sometimes it's not. Today, we did something we never did before. This is a special thing. We hung out off-site.

Yeah, we've never done that before. I actually ate. We've done that before. We watched this movie together. This is the first time in Bechdelcast history that we saw the movie together. I ordered the pizza. Only I ate the pizza. No one wanted the pizza.

No, I ate some pizza. We did drink a lot of white wine. We did, but there was a third person. Our friend Courtney was there as well. She barely drank and absolutely did not eat any pizza. Anyways, I for sure ate six pieces of pizza pizza six pieces of chicken um and a large amount of wine yeah not that i'm shaming you at all i really admire that i think we went uh pound for pound did we not for wine yeah yeah okay so that's fine and the reason we watch this movie together

is it's a movie that we both have seen. Yay, Jamie. It's a movie you've seen before. It's a movie I watch alone a lot, but it's better not alone. Yeah. It's a movie we've seen and love. It's Titanic. Titanic. And we have a very special guest that we're going to introduce in a second.

But we watched the movie together and we recorded different segments during the screening. Oh, yeah. That we will insert into the episode. Like maybe right now for the first one. We did a pre-movie one. So enjoy. Hey everyone, it's Caitlin and Jamie. And we're in a different location than usual.

We're in my house. We are about to watch Titanic together. And we just buried a body. We just buried a body. That's when we go off-site. Aristotle was supposed to come, but then he said no. And then we killed him, and that's whose body we buried. And that's the body.

So now that we're all caught up, we're about to watch Titanic. I haven't watched it in, I think, two years, which is unusual. I usually do plan a few. There's a few movies I watch annually that are very long. It's Titanic and Gone with the Wind. I watch this movie two to three times a year, and I saw it pretty recently. How do you handle that? It's so, like...

I don't know. I have a lot going on in my life, and I have a lot of time. Oh, you mean, like, emotionally? Yeah, like, I have the time. I re-watched season two of grace and frankie today re-watched it wow i've got the time yeah that's not the issue it's the emotional capacity i think that i just operate at such a a low level of emotional intelligence i need movies like this to like to activate the emotion parts of my brain you sound like a robot i know

anyways love titanic yeah well uh i can't wait to watch this with you we're gonna check back in i think around the midpoint of the movie we should yeah i know exactly where the vhs number one stuff same we'll check in there. Great. All right. Bye. And then we stopped in the middle, which for all you Titanic heads out there, is where the first VHS ends. Captain E.J. Smith turns basically to camera and says, I think you may get your headlines after all, Mr. Rizme. And we talked there. And then one big long segment at the end. Yes. Yes.

So we will check in periodically and go to those segments. But for now, let's introduce our wonderful guest. Yeah. She's a very funny comedian and wonderful person. Aparna Nancherla. Hello. Hi. Thanks for being here.

Thanks for having me. Oh, we're so excited. So you picked this movie. I did. And you picked it because do you also like it? Do you love it? I have a confession. I didn't watch it recently, but I have watched it, I would say, upwards of maybe four times in my life.

Okay. I mean, that's no, like, 40 times I've seen it. It's not that high, but I do remember when it first came out, I was obsessed with it for a while. Yeah. I felt like it swept the nation. It did. It certainly did. But people were kind of divided, if I remember, because some people thought the dialogue was really bad.

I remember that was a complaint about it. The dialogue is pretty bad. There are some scenes where the dialogue is especially bad and the acting is especially bad does not crush it in this movie per se she does not that bad of a job once the ship starts sinking but up until then she's pretty bad at acting which i think she openly admits her american accent is a little weird and like the i used to try when i was younger to like imitate the way she would speak because it was the...

We talked about this when we watched it. The cadence of it is so weird. But it sounded very elegant. And so I tried to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, poor little rich girl. No, no, no. Oh, interesting.

Like a weird Shakespearean quality to it. Yeah, I wonder if she was trying to go for like upper class. Yeah, like almost like a transatlantic kind of thing. I don't know. We don't even need to do a recap. I don't think. Honestly,

I feel like we lose more and more structure each time. Oh, do you guys usually recap the movie? Yes, I do. And I always do a very bad job. And it takes about, yeah, it takes a while. It takes several hours. It's about the length of the movie itself.

I was looking for speed versions of it on YouTube, and there's some really strange homages to the movie out there. There was like one that was, it was like a condensed verse in the movie with just like weird close-ups on the people's faces and then just like techno music. Oh. Yeah. So people were just like, I love this movie. I'm going to do a techno remix.

Yeah. Well, like they summarized it, but with techno music? Yeah. They just like took key moments and did it in chronological order and put it to techno. Yeah. We'll watch one of those then instead of listening to whatever. We'll link it in the description. Yeah.

Do it. When it came out, I saw it, not to brag, in a drive-in movie theater with my mom and sister. That's a great way to see this movie, I think. I watched it at first in secret. I wasn't allowed to see it when it came out. I think it was 5 when it came out. It came out in 97. But I

stole my mom's VHS copies of it at one point and brought it to my cousin's house where we proceeded to watch it. Got busted watching the nude scene. Of course. But then my aunt, she's a cool aunt, and she's like, keep watching, kids.

Wow. Yeah. And then once my mom found out I'd already seen it, she was just like, all right, you can, I guess, you can just keep watching it. What cool family members you have. A million. Cool, careless, you know. Was it scary as a five-year-old? Well, I didn't see it when I was five. I didn't see it until I was, like, I think 10. Oh, you know. Was it scary as a five-year-old? Well, I didn't see it when I was five. I didn't see it until I was, like, I think ten.

And at that point, it was just, like, hot, cool thing. Like, I don't know. Sure, sure, yeah. Not that things are hot when you're ten, but maybe they are. I don't remember. And then in junior high, like, I loved this movie for so much for so long that

in junior high to, like punk rock credibility in junior high, I tried to switch gears and be like, oh, I don't love the movie. I love learning about details about shipwrecks. And so I have a ton of knowledge about shipwrecks because I was just like really nervous that people were going to just think I loved Titanic, which is I did. Yeah. But I also know about a ton of military shipwrecks. That never happened. I was just like, I don't give a fuck what people think about me.

I'm just going to watch this movie every day for an entire summer, sometimes twice in a row. True story. I've probably seen this movie 50 times. I mean, twice in a row is the whole day. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like six and a half hours. Yeah.

My sister and I would start it in the morning, watch the whole thing, have to switch out the VHS tapes, and then rewind and start from the beginning immediately after it was like I was obsessed with this. Well, I mean, if you've got a sister, too, that's like I only had a brother and he he was not as on board to watch it with me. That's the other thing about this movie is that I think I don't want to make any sweeping generalizations here. But I think most a lot of women have at least seen it and many enjoy it more so than a lot of guys who have never seen it. Most men I've talked to, I think, they're like, yeah, I never saw that movie. I'm like, but it's so good.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't care about it. I like this movie for the wrong reasons, which is that I think it has amazing practical effects and great action so i the movie doesn't really kick it into gear for me until like act two which is or the end of act two or who knows i mean the inciting incident happens in this movie an hour and a half into it how many how many how many college degrees you have uh i have three now because uh i have two of mine and one of you i took yours you took mine okay that's fine i don't

need it i like this movie for all the wrong reasons that i think everyone likes it for yeah the romance the romantic so freaking beautiful it's yeah i like i mean the more i see it the more i appreciate the romance especially on this recent rewatch. I was like, all right, got to pay extra attention to Rose. She's our female character. I was like, holy shit, she's great. And we'll go into more detail about that. Yeah, I was trying to think of all the female characters.

I mean, she's obviously the main one, but there's her mom. There's her mom. And there's Kathy Bates. The unsinkable Molly Brown. But also, pretty much, I feel like Kathy Bates, that part couldn't have been cast better. Yeah, no, she's great. She is great. I love the scene where she

takes Leonardo DiCaprio and is like, try on my son's clothes! And he's like, it fits perfect. Like, end of scene. Yeah. It's great. I know. I wanted her.

She like ends up being a mentor for Jack, but I wanted her to be a mentor for Rose more. Because she's like, I'm a strong woman. You're a strong woman. I'm a little older than you. Let me show you how to be a bad bitch. Right. But she sort of teaches Jack instead how to not be poor. How to not be a bad bitch. Right. But she sort of teaches Jack instead how to be a bad bitch. How to not be poor.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a little more. Well, that's an interesting thought. That said, Jack and Rose are both fictional. Molly Brown is real. I guess we'll just dive right in. I really like Rose now. I was like, she just yells out Jack a lot toward the end.

And that's my impression of her. So many first name assaults in this movie. It's crazy. Jack Rose. Jack Rose. Jack Rose. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's great.

She's great. Yeah. She's great. A little hasty to want to kill herself. Oh, right. That is a... It seems abrupt. I wonder if that's the end.

That comes really early, though, doesn't it? Really early. Wait, I should have made a pun when I was like, let's just jump in. It should have been a really... It should have been a better pun about jumping into the water or something. I thought you were making a pun when you said that. Guys were not on board with it. Whoa.

Wow, we have so many nautical references. Yeah, let's see how many we can do. I used to make my high school boyfriend watch this movie with me all the time and he was training to be a naval sailor and it would just be three hours of like

that's not how a boat works. That's not how a boat works. And I was like, that is so nice. Oh yeah, you said that she's a bit quick to just throw herself off the back of a boat which either she's got some mental health issues that she's not addressing or like again no one knew who freud was even back then because mr ismay is like who's Freud? A passenger? So you know psychology didn't really exist that much back then so maybe

she was morbidly depressed. I guess we don't have a lot of context. I think the way it's introduced is weirder because like the narration just says like inside I was screaming and then cut to she's about to kill herself. so it's like well

this could have been a huge lead-up we just don't know yeah uh either way what happens next is a trope that happens in a lot of movies where a guy has to save a woman which like normally would annoy me but then I got to thinking about it i guess i i was like oh i guess it's a guy saving a girl but then i was thinking about her situation i was like i get i don't know i could understand in her position in class she wouldn't maybe have that many options right right like there wasn't because and then you find out later like she it's basically an arranged marriage and she has to do it so that her and her mom can continue to like maintain their lifestyle. And it seems like she's kind of been sold off to Billy Zane. Billy Zane. Billy Zane. We'll get to Billy Zane because I don't know. I have a whole new perspective on Billy Zane now, which is that I could fix him.

Wow. I don't know. I think he's too far beyond help. He's a sociopath. No way, baby. I can fix him. I mean, I am confident in you and your abilities, Jamie. I said I could fix Gaston, and I think that that's true, too. I also think I can fix Billy Zane with my love. I can't make any sense of my notes. I think what I was trying to say is that, like, yeah, he saves her,

but it sort of is the catalyst for her character arc. There's a scene where she's like, it's not up to you to save me, Jack. This is later on in the story. And he's like, you're right. Only you can do that. And I was like, yeah. I like that he acknowledges her autonomy and stuff like that. And there's that great speech he gives to her in that weird gym.

Wait. Yeah, that's this scene. He pulls her into this... Maybe it's the gym equipment. There's like a scene where she blows him off and then he's like, don't go. You're the best. And they're in this insane looking gym

with all these early... Oh, steampunk reference of the episode. It looks like a steampunk gymnasium. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lots of confusing looking contraptions.

We can't go an episode without mentioning something about steampunk so far. So far. Gotta keep the streak going. Yeah, exactly. He does give us like, he's like, you're the most amazingly incredible, brave girl, woman I've ever known. And he doesn't say anything about her looks. He's just commenting entirely on her strength of character. And then he accidentally calls her a girl.

He's like, no, even though you're 17, you're a woman. And I was like, yeah, good job, Jack. Oh, I forgot she's supposed to be 17. I think so, right? She does not look 17, but yeah. She's like 9021017. So there's that kind of empowering moment. There's the one where, oh, early on in the movie, there's a scene where they're at dinner and Rose blows smoke in her mom's face.

She's like, I don't care that you don't like me smoking. And then Billy Zane tries to order food for her. And yeah. And then Molly's like, are you going to cut her meat for her too? So you have these few moments early on where you see women being pretty badass.

And then there's this scene where she's trying to commit suicide and Jack's like, oh, you know, ice fishing. He's trying oh you know ice fishing he like is trying to mansplain ice fishing oh no and she's like i know what ice fishing is and i loved that i just loved i'm just gonna do that anytime someone mansplains something to me even if i don't know yeah i know what ice fishing is okay i've never been ice fishing i have no idea how it works it's when you uh poke a hole in ice and then you put your line.

Yeah, I know what ice fishing is. See, there you go. It was in an episode of Frasier once. Oh, yeah? Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shortly after that, there's a line where that, I don't even know who this character is, but he's like, it's like I always say, women and machinery do not mix.

It's like one of the Googan. Wait, when was that? Oh, I think I remember it's whenever she rose as a very good Caitlyn impression she's like I was leaning far over to see the the uh the uh

rudders that's me talking because I can't say a single sentence without filling it with like ten vocal fillers um so but yeah and then she's like oh they're like oh women in machinery she wanted to see the rudders that's dumb yeah so i guess the men a lot of the men are in in gender normative roles except for jack yeah i'd say so because jack just spends most of the movie like to empower Rose. Right. Yeah.

And then there's also kind of just like a lot of men just doing jobs. Like most of the ship crew, they don't cause conflict other than not preventing the ship from sinking. But there's a lot of, I mean, like Cal for sure is terrible. Cal, or Billy Zane's weird butler. Yeah, he's a valet. He's around. He wants to help, presumably for money. We don't know.

But he's not a good guy. Mr. Lovejoy. That's a great name for him. That is a good name. Yeah, because he follows Jack and Rose around quite a bit. And then Mr. Ismay, like the owner of the White Star line, he's not a great guy either. No. He just wants faster.

He just wants to make the headlines and monetize. We must make headlines. Now I want to marvel her speed. Yeah, so he's a piece of shit. Mr. Anders, though. Oh, Victor Garber. So handsome in this movie. I mean, I can't necessarily agree with you, but I'll let you have this one.

You're crazy. He's the most handsome man in the whole movie. You know what? Billy Zane is totally my type. I just love a guy with thicker eyelashes than I have. He's the most handsome man in the whole movie. You know what? Billy Zane is totally my type. I just love a guy with thicker eyelashes than I have. That's what I'm into. Billy Zane is wearing a crazy amount of makeup in this movie. He is.

He's wearing so much eyeliner. Yeah. And it's like, is that something people did or is that just something Billy Zane does? Because no one else in the movie does it except for him and all the female characters. A lot of mascara. A lot of mascara. A lot of mascara. A lot of like almost cat eyes. He looks great. I know.

I want someone to do a makeup tutorial on YouTube but like to replicate Billy Zane's eyes. Billy Zane eyes. Oh, I also like there's a part where she like does all the math in her head and figures out that there aren't enough lifeboats. Oh, yeah.

She's like, I was doing the sum in my head. And it's like, yeah, you go, girl. You do that math. One of my favorite lines is after Jack gets invited to dinner and they're all sitting at dinner and it's like winding down. Rose is like, now they go retreat into a cloud of smoke and congratulate each other on being masters of the universe. And I was like, yeah, men still do that. This is a thing that men do, namely our current presidential administration.

Whoa, hot take. Whoa, hot take. Sorry, I feel like I'm talking a lot. I'm just saying. I feel bad because I didn't watch it recently, so I don't remember on that level of detail. I know. We're like really getting into the nitty gritty of this movie. It's fresh and we've both seen it so many times.

Hey, did you ever see Ghosts of the Abyss? No. Oh, I think that's what it's called. It's like a 2002 documentary that James Cameron made where he went back to the Titanic because he just loves going to the Titanic. I think I remember that coming out. I didn't see it, though. But, yeah. I think he spent so much time researching it before he even did the movie. It was so expensive.

Like, it was crazy expensive. And I feel like he maybe only made the movie so he'd have an excuse to go down. But what a gift. Yeah. A gift to the world. Was it good? You saw that? It was good.

I mean, it was just a lot of technical. They were basically trying to figure out, can we raise it? And can it be preserved? And the answer is no. It'd just fall apart, so you just got to leave it there and it's sort of just slowly decomposing what about the submarine guys oh yeah oh bill paxton bill paxton i don't know how i feel about that like book ending the movie because we don't even we don't even arrive in this in the narrative in 1912 until 20 minutes into the movie.

Yeah, I clocked it. It maybe does. Yeah, it goes a little. I feel like that happens because James Cameron wants to show everyone all his cool footage from the Titanic. I think that's the only reason why that exists. I don't know. How much of a punch does it pack that there is like an old lady? Well it makes it, it seems like it's

setting it up to be this huge important component of the story later because they're searching for the diamond, but the diamond like it just doesn't really, it doesn't have much to do with the rest of the story. Right. So. That's really the only thing that ties it in. It ends up being, yeah exactly,

it ends up being like a bit of a plot device whenever Lovejoy frames Jack for stealing it. And then they lock him up and then it creates like this extra sequence of tension whenever Jack or Rose is like, I don't know. He was my boyfriend, but then he stole that necklace. So, oh, man. And then Jack says, that's horse shit, Rose. Don't you believe them? You know I didn't do this. You know me. It's like, she met you two days ago.

So she doesn't really know you. Then comes one of the worst lines of dialogue in the entire movie. Which is when he's like, how'd you find out I didn't do it? And she's like, I didn't. I just realized I already knew. But she says it like new and it's uh that ends up being like i guess a part of the story but then what drives me crazy is the end when she throws it overboard people got so upset about that. I got upset mostly because she could have taken that piece of jewelry and sold it to whoever wanted to buy it.

And then she could have founded Planned Parenthood or donate to it or like just use those millions and millions of dollars. It doesn't bother me. To like put some women through college or something but i don't think it would have i feel like they would have like put in a museum or something i don't think it would have been sold or anything it didn't i don't know that didn't bother me too much because it's like the last thing she does before she dies i think and like no one's ever gonna know and it was hers i just that's the other thing. So she dies. Like she's like, she would seem to be, she regaled this whole story.

She seemed fine. And then what? She just dies all of a sudden? Because it was the, Caitlin. Because it was the last thing she had to do. She never told the story before. Maybe this is the part where we should check in. Oh, okay. For the last part.

And I'll fire it up. Yeah. So, hey where we should check in for the last part. I'm getting all fired up, yeah. So, hey, let's check in. We're going to do this out of order, but we're going to check in to the last part. Cut to. This is when I was like, I don't like that she dies. And you're like. She's crying so much.

Hey, listen now. I'm sorry, that's me laughing. And that's Jamie sobbing. I'm a, oh God. It's so sad. They love each other so much they love each other and in the end everyone's there is that supposed to be like a dream

or is it supposed to be heaven it's heaven I was always like oh she just falls asleep and it's a dream no heaven she dies and then she goes to heaven where everyone's waiting for her to kiss someone. That's what it's like for her.

I love her so much. Everyone's just hanging out. Yeah. Jack is in his, like, poor people clothes. And he's looking at the clock. Yeah. It's so sad. But it's so

happy. It's okay. I wish I wasn't such a weird robot and that I was more... No, I'm overdoing it. We've also had probably five glasses of wine each. I can't't believe it it's never less sad okay i think i'm back i think i just sobbed for like 10 minutes

i'm sorry that i was like oh we should record this now we're still crying so the movie has ended yes there it's we just finished we've been through a journey together exhausted yeah i love that movie so much we were quoting every line of dialogue we knew every line in the movie yeah it wasn't even a bit. No. It was just... And our friend Courtney, who was probably very annoyed with us, because she was like, guys, can you stop? I'm trying to pay attention to the movie. And we're just like, there's going to be one less on this boat. If you don't shut that hole in your face.

RIP Officer Murdoch. Honestly, that hit me harder than it ever has. My crush for him apparently has grown more intense over time. My crush is still on Captain Fantastic. Yeah, we've got to talk about that. The hot guy at the end who's like, Is there anyone out there? Can anyone hear me?

Is there anyone out there? I looked hear me? Is there anyone out there? I looked him up and I was like, who's this very attractive man in this movie? He did well. He did well. And then I was like, holy shit, it's Captain Fantastic from the Fantastic Four. I had no idea that's who he went on to be. The Scarlett Johansson one or the bad, bad, bad one?

The Jessica Alba one. Oh, the first one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Well, that's better. Oh, I thought none of them were good. I didn't see any of them. What? You haven't seen a movie? That movie was so sad. Yes, Courtney? I did enjoy watching it with you guys cast as all the

characters. Oh! We did good, though. We did a pretty good job. We got all the accents and all the cadences. Yeah. I brought my hole punch. I didn't even use it.

Oh, wait. What were you going to use it for? I was going to craft. How could you craft at a time like this? I wanted to believe the best in myself, but I didn't do it. Well, never let go, Jamie. You're going gonna live on you're gonna make lots of babies

and watch them grow and then I'm gonna die an old lady I resent that part because he's basically saying that like the only worth you have as a woman is to be a mother yeah but he still could have been a little bit more feminist

and you're gonna go get a stem degree, and you're going to manage a company, and you're going to be valued by everyone around you, and then you're going to die. I wish he would have said that, yes. He was tired. I feel like I'm inadequate emotionally because I don't know how to compute or express or process emotion. That's a superpower. I'm like sweating through my clothes. Well, I also, it comes at a price, which is that I don't know how to be in relationships.

I think between the two of us, we feel enough for two people though. It's just like our degrees. It's just like how between the two of us we have three degrees. Between the two of us we have the emotions of two people. But it's just like a little tipped in the wrong way. You just have the emotions of two people

and I have the emotions of zero people. I sob. I love to sob. I would like to dedicate this episode to all the victims of the Titanic. All 1,500 of them. Particularly those in the lower classes. And hey, to the

women. To the women and children. To the women and children who didn't make it. We're like fucking your allies. We're not fucking your allies. We're gonna march for you. We're marching. We're gonna march on the White House and be like, what about Titanic? Oh, I'm so sad. Alright. Thanks. Hey everyone, thanks for listening. like what about Titanic oh I'm so sad alright

well hey everyone thanks for listening peace out happy valentine's day my heart will go on oh that's true it will it will oh I was about to sing it and then I remembered

I can't sing it and then I remember and I can't sing. Okay, bye. And we're back. I'm not looking forward to listening to that. I don't think I will. No, you were great. I was really mean. I was like kind of making fun of you for crying. And I was like, I'm over here laughing and Jamie's crying.

I didn't like the ending. That is such a beautiful part of the movie because you go back at the end and you're like there was like all these b characters and they're all there and they're so happy and Jack is just staring at a clock who knows how long he's been there and then he turns around and then they pan up and the captain's there it's so nice it's so nice i always feel bad when a character in a movie has like the love of their life and then they die and then someone else comes along and it's like i guess that person doesn't matter that much yeah yeah it's like because i think in the story she was married to the same guy for like 40 and they have all these kids and grandkids and then it's like what about that guy's story? Yeah that's

not the last thing she wanted to think about before she died. Yeah she's like fuck that guy fuck my granddaughter who's right here with me. Well her granddaughter also has a thing for Bill Paxton Oh right they do sort of shoehorn that little subplot. Well and in the

alternate ending, they might kiss? I don't know. Oh, there's an alternate ending? Oh, it's so bad. It's on YouTube. Like, she's about to throw the diamond overboard and Bill Paxton runs up. Stop! She's like, no! He's like, no, don't do it! And then she, like, does this whole speech. I don't't remember it's just horrendous it's not good yeah but i mean sure i guess the reason that like she was so affected by or like that she's gonna

reunite with him in heaven or whatever is that he allowed her to escape this trapped life that she was in and he was like the catalyst that got her to become this new woman this new independent woman right and so yeah he played a very significant role in her life so they barely knew each other romance happy valentine's day everyone love is dead here's something that bought that i hadn't really thought about the first 40 times I watched the movie because I was uh moodier and probably liked my mom less than I do now last time I saw it uh I I don't know how well it sits with me that Rose presumably never talks to her mom who survives ever again like she I presumably allows her mom to believe that she has died yeah her mom

is not great and her mom was sort of you know selling her off to the highest bidder but you know you can argue it was for survival purpose i don't know i just it's weird to me that i mean she changes her last name but i feel like it's pure speculation that we assume that they never see each other. That's true. I hope they saw each other again. I think there should be a sequel. Like Rose and Ruth. Rose and Ruth.

Yeah, like they share an apartment during World War II. I would watch that Netflix during World War II. That was like 30 years later. 30 years later. Yeah, yeah. So that point is just, mom's kind of old. But yeah, that had never occurred to me before. Where obviously, you know, at the end, you see Billy Zane looking around.

And then she hides from him. And I was like, okay, well, I get that you don't want to see him again. Sure. Yeah. She like definitely ghosted on him in that moment. Yeah. That was great. I hope she saw her mom again.

Yeah. She's not real. I think her mom, yeah, her mom had some problems. But there's a great scene, let's talk about that, where I'm jumping ahead a little bit. But because guess what? The movie does pass the Bechdel test. Oh, yeah. It does?

It does. Because it happens on a few instances. But there's a scene. Pretty early, too. I think the first time it passes, if I'm not mistaken, is when old Rose is talking to her granddaughter. Before we even get back to 1912. Yeah. Yeah. because they're talking about the titanic or whatever yeah a little later on there's the scene where rose's mom is talking

to her like lame rich friends and they're having tea and she's like well the purpose of university is to find a suitable husband rose has already done that it's like oh god don't they discuss the color lavender in that scene for some reason? I think they're talking about bridesmaids dresses or something. Oh, I think that's a different scene, but it is with those horrible rich ladies again. I've never seen

The Godfather, but I've seen this movie like... That's okay. 400 times. I've never seen Forrest Gump. I could have done so much with all that time. You've got all the time in the world to watch a bunch of movies. Thank you. Anyway, there's a scene where Ruth is talking to Rose and she's like doing up her girdle or her petticoat or corset.

Corset. Yeah. I couldn't remember the name. I think that's the sexiest way to describe that garment. Yeah, I forget what a girdle is, but I I think that's the sexiest way to describe that garment. Yeah. I forget what a girdle is, but I think it, is it the same thing? I'm not sure. It's a steampunk thing. Rose is like, oh, you put this burden on me of having to marry Cal because all of our money is gone.

And then she's like, it's not fair. And Ruth is like, of course it's not fair. We're women. And I was like, I know. It's not fair. And Ruth is like, of course it's not fair. We're women. And I was like, I know. It's not fair. It's not fair. Why do we all have to marry Billy Zane? Yeah. Or just young girls. Mm-hmm. I want to talk about the nude scene.

Yeah. And the sex scene. Pretty close together, right? They were. Pretty much one right after. Yeah. Well, because it's like the nude scene, and then they get chased around by the butler guy.

And then they have sex in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's interesting. And this is something I cannot imagine me or most people I have ever met doing, but going from they like have their first kiss and then like the next step is like, and now you're going to draw me nude. Like that was the next thing that they do. That was second base. That is a pretty forward, especially for that time.

I'm guessing, especially considering she's like a, she was a very upper crust. Right. And she knew, she knew he drew nudes, I guess. Right. That's why it had to be nude. Because nudes were his thing. It was very chill. It didn't have to be nude.

It didn't. It is weird that she jumped to nude. I like it. I love that part. He also drew non-nudes. He showed her a lot of different stuff. I think she was just like trying to get things going. Like they'd hung out a little bit, but they hadn't like, she was just trying to make the first move.

Kaelin, you're like capable of being casual with people. Have you ever met me? No. No, but you can like do it. I mean, do you meet people? I've initiated every time I've had sex. I was like, you have to draw. That's great.

Yeah. It's just like, first, I'm going to wear this kimono. All right. I want you to draw me wearing this. Get you all nervous. I'm wearing this and it's a crappy necklace I bought from Claire's in 2001. And then he draws me and we have sex in the backseat of a car no the reason i like it so much is that like everything is on her terms she's like i was this stuffy little prissy girl i don't want

to be drawn like a porcelain doll anymore here's some money i expect what i want draw me naked and it's just like she's coming into her own you know she's she knows what she wants and she's not afraid to go out and get it and she i'm sure was sexually repressed up until then well because there's a few conversations earlier in the movie where cal is like i thought you would come to me last night and she's like i was tired and then there's another part where he's like you're my wife you should honor me the way a wife is required to honor her husband. Cal is very horny. He's very horny.

She will not put out. And so I love that she goes. And she's like, yeah, Cal, you're not going to get any of this bomb pussy. But Jack over here, this homeless man who I met two days ago, I will fuck you all night long. Okay. Obviously, Cal, not a great guy. I do think that maybe if they spent some more time together, they would become like normal parents that sort of hate each other.

But it's like, well, they got some sort of font going. That may be true if he wasn't a complete narcissist and sociopath. All dads are like that. No, but the scene where he gives her the necklace and basically is like please have sex with me it's so funny he's very he's you know he's just like using for it like open your heart to me rose yeah like oh gross but he's trying so hard well that's i i i love that that he's like totally being cuckolded by this poor guy. He can bring in that or a cuck.

I was using cuckolded long before the fucking, all those conservatives commandeered that term. Calm down. Again, I did watch a documentary about birds where I learned all about cuckolding. Well done. Well done. The point that I'm trying to arrive at is that every like sexual experience that Rose has is like just very much on her terms. She initiates everything. She's just like she's feeling very sexually empowered.

And she's like, I'm going to go for it. And Jack is like, sure. And she's like, put your hands on me, Jack. And he's like i'm gonna go for it and jack is like sure and she's like put your hands on me jack and he's like okay and then they're like mid coitus and he's like sweating and trembling and he's just like i can't handle this bomb pussy i think you're really like writing fan fiction on top of the movie we don't see them have sex We see them initiate sex and then we see pow. No, well, there's a scene where like there, it might be like post-coitus. You never see him like thrusting into her.

But hey, mom, you see. Wait, I have the scene pulled up from the James Cameron script here. Oh, yes. Please read. I don't know where this fits into. This is, I think we could argue, a woman's movie. The woman is the driving force in the movie.

It is written by James Cameron, who is sort of notoriously overly perverted in the way that he writes. I remember reading this when I was like a teenager. I was like, I want to read the script. I really I want to know everything about this dope movie.

And the way he writes the sex scene is very long and very gross. Jack jumps into the driver's seat, enjoying the feel of the leather and wood. Jack says, where to miss rose to the stars on on jack as her hands come out of the shadows and pull him over the seat into the back he lands next to her and his breath seems loud in the quiet darkness he looks at her and she is smiling it is the moment of truth jack are you nervous rose au contra au contraire, mon cher. He strokes her face, cherishing her. She kisses his artist's fingers.

Ew. Rose, put your hands on me, Jack. He kisses her, and she slides down in the seat under his welcome way, cut to the hit and iceberg. But the way he writes sex weight, cut to the hit and iceberg. But the way he writes sex scenes, it's nasty. The way that... Well, any screener at writing class will tell you that you don't need all of that description. First of all... It's so long.

It's paragraphs of just weird, pervy adjectives. Welcome weight is really the phrase that stuck with me. That sounds like fan fiction. It does. Yeah. It sounds like an e-book, the way he wrote it. It's kind of gross. And then going off of that, I've read more than one James Cameron scripture.

And then he wrote a treatment of Spider-Man, the Tobey Maguire one, that's just as gross. Like, just as pervy, where there's scenes in it where he's like a peeping Tom, looking at Mary Jane. There's a scene where he

you know, it's like, oh, the webs are cum, and it's his sexual awakening and the cum makes him more powerful. And it's just, oh, he's a sick freak. He's nasty. I don't think it translates that much onto the screen, though. Right. No, it really doesn't.

I wonder if there is someone behind the scenes who's just like, don't do that. Try not to think about those words when you do that. Well, I was thinking also about like the nude scene where she like takes off her robe and we see her like naked breasts. Like you always have to question if there's nudity, a woman nude in a movie, is it to satisfy the male gaze? Or is it something else that's actually like important for the story? And I think in this case, like for Rose, I feel like it's an act of defiance. She's like, yeah, I've been all stuffed up in these corsets and like, been all prim and proper my whole life and not anymore so i feel like it's like in symbolic of her being like that's not who i am anymore i'm this new woman who's gonna fuck a

stranger right after he draws me naked that makes sense i'm on board with that i mean and just the fact that it gets everyone in the theater horned up is just like a fringe benefit yeah totally good for them good for them that they cracked that one yeah i feel like they needed like a climatic moment before the iceberg totally yeah that's true that's like the the best part of the first vhs tape is when she gets naked and then and then it's pretty much downhill from there. When I was watching the movie for the first time in the drive-in movie theater, we were in my mom's car. And the windows were getting steamed up in the car. So I, 11-year-old Caitlin, made this hilarious joke where I slapped the window and brought my hand down. And my mom's like, Caitlin!

That's very adorable. I love that. Wait, it was you and your mom and your sister? Yeah. Who was sitting in the back seat? I think it was probably my mom. My sister and I, I think we're in the front seat. That's a nice mom. My mom took one for the team.

I know. I don't think my mom would do that. My mom was like, no, I came here shotgun. I'll stay shotgun. Yeah. No, she was a nice mom. Shout out to Caitlin's mom. Does your mom listen to the podcast?

Yeah, she does. My mom still does not understand. Oh, no. No, she does not physically know how to play. I remember that conversation. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was talking to my dad about it the other day.

And I think his exact words were like, how do you do that? And I was like, it's fine. Don't worry about it. So anyway, I just love the whole sex and naked scenes in this. I feel like it's just very symbolic of her coming. The sex and naked scenes? All of it. I just want more.

More baby. Well, I mean, pretty much directly after they, well, roses deflowered. I imagine that Jack perhaps. Oh, he was definitely effing some of those French prostitutes. The other nude girls. Right, right. She wasn't the first nude girl. But the other thing that always makes me laugh about Jack is when he goes to that meal with the rich people.

And then he says, like, like yeah last night i slept underneath a bridge and now i'm on this boat with you guys and if he was like even a little less hot that would be a horrifying thing to come out at a table like because he's clean and very sexy and very charming everyone's like oh he slept under a yesterday. But if he was just like a regular person, that would give me a lot of pause. Anyways, he really gets away with social murder there. Yeah. It helps whenever. He probably smelled bad.

I'd imagine so. Yeah, we saw his lodgings. But I think everyone smelled bad in that era. That's true. I don't think people were bathing every single day. Even the, maybe even not the rich people. I feel like the rich people wore a lot of, like, scents and stuff. Yeah, they were covering it up with musks.

Yeah, like thick colognes. Gross. Right. Gross. But yeah, everyone probably smelled. Especially, like, would there have even been running water on the Titanic in 1912? I think that there was. Really?

Yeah. Wow. I'm pretty sure there was. It was an amazing ship. The thing. The ship of dreams. The ship of dreams. And it was.

It really was. A few other moments happened that I'm like, yeah, go Rose. The ship is like mid-sink. Cal is like, what, you're going to go after him and be his whore? Oh, to a gutter rat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, I'd rather be his whore than your wife. Oh, right.

And then she spits in his face. I love it. That was great. That was great. And also Billy Zane's mug when he gets hit in the face with spit. Great job by Billy Zane. Wonderful acting. Yeah.

I would describe it as like, what the heck? Why'd she do that? And that's all he had to do. That was the job. Yeah. Yeah. There's another part where Rose is trying to rescue Jack from being handcuffed to like a pipe in the room. And she realizes no one's going to be able to help her.

So she's like, fine, I'll take matters into my own hands. And she just gets that axe and goes and does it. And I'm just like, girl, power. But before, is it before? I think it's before, right before she gets the axe, she punches that guy in the face. Oh, yeah, that too. And then gives him a nosebleed. He's trying to get her up to safety.

And she's like, no, I'm trying to save a life. Save a life here. No one is in the wrong per se. Right. It's just a high pressure sitch. Right. I think in retrospect he would forgive her. Also, he probably died. There's another scene where she's like running to

the elevator and she's like, take me down. He's like, no. And she's like, I'm through being polite. and he's like she's like i'm through being polite take me down god damn it oh yeah and then he does it yeah he does it don't fuck with rose she'll yell at you this collection of all these little moments that i didn't like necessarily pay that much attention to before but like on this rewatch i was like oh she does a lot yeah badass She somehow manages the axe thing. That probably shouldn't have worked out.

No, she definitely would have chopped his hands off or like very severely injured him. At least hurt him. Yeah. Either way, like it's, you know, she's doing stuff. Yeah, she is doing stuff. Yeah. Go Rose. Go Rose.

That's right. Rose, Rose, Jack, Jack, Rose. The last 45 minutes of the movie. Oh my gosh. Rose! Jack! Rose! Jack!

Like a poor family about to die. I know. And then cut back to them. Oh God, it's so sad. It is so sad. Like the old people spooning. Can we talk about how potentially Jack and Rose were the reason that the at least in this depiction of the story they were the reason the ship hit the iceberg because the watch out guys were distracted by them making out on the deck there

probably wouldn't have been enough time and you have a big not take a long time I like to think it was they like sealed their own fate it's fine yeah that's why just gone off and done what she was told, all those people would have left. Yeah, she was responsible for 1,200 people dying or something, 1,500. The moral of the story here is don't love anybody and don't get in a relationship or kiss them because you'll just cause a lot of mass destruction. Oh, Caitlin. them because you'll just cause a lot of mass destruction oh caitlin this is really a dystopian view of a beautiful love story they only knew each other for two days you haven't even heard my theories on jack being a child pornographer because one of the pictures that he shows Rose is a pair of adult hands, probably man hands, on a naked child's body.

His thumbs are like covering the little girl's nipples. And it's like this weird child porn thing. He can't draw his own hands, Caitlin. It's not his hands. But I'm saying he's creating an image that is child pornography because it's like adult hands on a little girl. Look it up. It happens. I don't want to look it up.

And then. I don't want to look it up. Could it be a father? Yeah, but why is the girl naked? She's like very clearly naked in the picture. But is she really little? Yeah, like five. Well, if she's really little, then maybe she's getting a bad thing.

If she's like 13, then that's weird. It's like weirdly sexual. I don't want to. All right. I don't necessarily withdraw my suggestion that Jack is a child pornographer, but I want other people. That's a real clickbait theory, Caitlin. I want other people to tweet at us. What a bombshell to drop at the end. I know.

I'm not sorry, though. These are dark times, okay, Trump? So let's assume the worst in everybody. Everyone's a child molester. No way, man. Jack was, he was probably a stinky hobo, but it was nice. Yeah. I mean, like I said, Jack is a pretty good character.

He spends most of the time just, like, bending over backwards for Rose and just, like, loving her for everything that she is and empowering her. Praising all of her great qualities. Yeah. Yeah. He does. Yeah. So, good on Jack. He's an ally.

He is. He is. He's such a feminist, you know? He's an ally. He is. He is. He's such a feminist. He's an ally. R.I.P. Fabrizio. Always want to give a shout out to Fabrizio. He was a good guy. He seemed, I don't know, he mostly just said Italian words.

Yeah. And then was crushed by like a steam thing. But good guy. Good guy. We think. We were pretty sure. Maybe he was a child pornographer and we just didn't know. Yeah, true.

Anyone could be. This is the Durante test. Tune in next week for the Durante cast. Is your favorite male character in a movie a secret child pornographer? I love it. It's like my theory that the baldest woman in the movie is in secret child pornographer. I love it. It's like my theory that the baldest woman in the movie is in charge. These tests are going to be famous

someday. Do you have a test? No. Now I feel like I need one. Yeah, you can think about it. Just tweet at us. Keep calm and take a selfie. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie and or its portrayal of the ladies? It does a weirdly, I mean, a better job than I remembered.

I wouldn't have thought that it did so well just thinking about, you know, because it's like a love story and usually love stories don't do that well. But it does really well. Yeah, I agree. All those moments, I was like, yeah, it does give Rose a lot of... Yeah, because a lot of romance stories, it's usually like a rom-com where they start out hating each other, and then they have to be like, oh, well, this guy's a dick, but, oh, he's cute, and he's near where I am, so we're going to fall in love yeah like this one it

like he likes that she's tough yeah he like they like each other from the start and like she's the one who like keeps trying to pull away but she's like you know what no i'm gonna get like my dick's hard a little bit for him so i'm gonna well i'm gonna see where this goes i know sorry to use such a male normative term for that but there's no i am there's no uh is there a female equivalent i guess like she's wet for him yeah get it okay common equivalent also it ties into the theme of water and sinking ships. Sorry, I tried to force it. It wasn't very good. It's okay.

Thank you. I was like, am I going to throw a tantrum? You know what? I've done enough. But in this movie, the romance is sort of like the vehicle that gets her to, like, like I said before, it's sort of the catalyst for her character arc. They seem to bring out the best in each other for the time that they're together. So that's nice. Aparna, do you have any thoughts about the movie you want to share that you haven't already?

Oh, man. I'm trying to think what we haven't covered. I feel like we did a pretty thorough job. Oh, yeah. That's the Bechtel cast, baby. Yeah. Thorough. You guys were really thorough. There's the Celine Dion song. Oh, yeah. It's the Bechtelcast, baby. Yeah. You guys were really thorough.

There's the Celine Dion song. Oh, boy. Yeah, we did. Celine Dion. Now she's an ally. Yeah. She's with us. She is.

I mean, I feel like she was kind of firmly associated with that movie for a while because of the song. So it does pass the Bechtelcast.

It does. It's exciting. Really soon. Yeah. It's kind of nice that it passes so soon and it passes more than once because there's so many movies that we do where it's one quick scene. I know that's sad that it only has to be one. Yeah. Like we did

Groundhog Day and that just gets by on like an exchange Anna McDowell has with a waitress oh right about sticky buns yeah about sticky buns so even that's a stretch and uh but this one passes over and over and over like pretty much anytime there's a scene with two women in it it's generally not about a man or or there's other topics discussed right it might either start with a conversation about a man or or there's other topics discussed right yeah it might either start with a conversation about a man or end it but like the throughout the conversation they talk about something other than a man right usually like i said before i do wish that rose and molly had more scenes together and

that they were they i feel like they should have piled up and like let's do some fan fiction yeah just some hanging out and then uh are you ready to rate yeah okay oh you guys rate it oh yeah we rate it on a scale of zero to five nipples specifically about how it treats the female characters so i would i would i think i would give this four yeah i think it deserves a pretty high rating four nipples and i pretty high rating. Four nipples. The nipples I would give it would be oh, we didn't talk about him, the officer who commits suicide

because he feels bad. So two are his. Then two are Molly Brown's. Sure. Those are the nipples I'd give it. Definitely. I would also give it four. I think one of the reasons just subconsciously that i've i saw this movie you know 20 years ago for the first time and have kept watching it over and over over is that i was like yeah it has really this pretty strong female character which is like usually when you're revisiting a movie you realize how fucking bad it is yeah

to women so this is a surprise yeah so i'd give it four um i would because the movie is just as much about rose's like growth as a woman as it is about a ship sinking and the romance so i'd give it a four uh two of them two of the n nipples belong to Jack when he's trembling and very sweaty during their sex scene. And the other two. He's got to be hairless, right? Yeah, he is very hairless. Very smooth. Okay.

Smooth Jack. Freaks me out. I say the other two are the nipples that we see on Rose, but not in real life, the drawing that he does of her, her like illustrated nipples. The sketch nips. Cool. Would you like to rate the movie? I don't understand how the nipples work. We just, well, we assign a number.

Yeah. And then we just describe who they might belong to. That's, you don't have to do that part. We do it for fun. I don't remember the officer who committed suicide. Who was that? Oh, there's a part. So when the rescue boats are starting to get full and they're crowding.

And then one of the officers, I think it's First Officer Murdoch, takes out a gun and shoots at the crowd and kills Irish Tommy and someone else. And then I think he realizes that he's in over his head. Whoa, another. And then he kills himself. Whoa, what great puns we're coming up with. And it's very sad. And also, I would argue, in retrospect, very unprofessional. Yeah.

They really could have used him. They used him. He really left those people in a really left those people yeah he goofed yeah but they could have used him for another hour or so uh-huh uh and that did really happen that's like a real thing that happened really yeah whoa most of the stuff that happens is real yeah that would be like a mean thing to do to someone who actually existed if he hadn't actually done that. Well, that's our... Oh, wait, did you want to give it a number of nipples? Oh, I'll also give it four. Cool.

And I'll give two to Fabrizio. Oh, R.I.P. I bet his are pretty hairy. Two hairy ones. Don't put them in a box. Yeah. And I'll give two to Molly Brown. Very nice. Awesome. Thanks so much for being here. Where can people find you? Thank you for having me. and I'll give two to Molly Brown very nice

awesome thanks so much for being here where can people find you on twitter my twitter is just a parnapkin and my website is just a parnacomedy.com wonderful thanks lady

of course happy valentines day everyone happy valentines day careful your one true love Thanks, lady. Of course. Thanks for being here. Happy Valentine's Day, everyone. Happy Valentine's Day. Careful, your one true love might be a child pornographer. Yeah, it's true. Think about that. Per Caitlin. Okay, bye.

I can fix Cal. Oh, we forgot to do the check-in for the middle part of the movie. Hey, guys. Hey guys. Hey. It's, uh, we're checking in. We're checking in. We stopped where the first VHS would have stopped. I'm a little wine drunk.

How are you? I'm a little wine drunk, but mostly I'm just like, we identified several points in the movie where it's like, oh, this is where you really start feeling it. Yeah, I'm a little fragile at this point. I, again, am a bit of a robot, so I'm not quite there yet. I've already cried twice. I cried when they kissed because that's so beautiful. It is.

And then I cried when I thought about Mr. Andrews because he has such integrity. He does. He really does. And so does EJ. Oh, can I pitch my buddy cop idea? Sure. Okay, this will cheer us all up.

So because it was Captain EJ Smith's last voyage ever and he was going to retire the second he got to New York, I want to make a buddy cop movie of like, it was his last week on the force, but this captain is going to get a little surprise. And then the Titanic sinks. Oh, I'm still in a bad mood. I think if you remember the scene where like he's in like the room with the steering wheel or whatever it's called.

And the windows break in and all the water comes rushing in. I feel like if you just lay slapstick comedy music over that, it could just be a really funny... It's a very Buster Keaton kind of thing. Well, okay, so Jamie is an emotional wreck. I am doing... Okay, the thing about this movie is that I'm a little ambivalent toward the first half. I like it. I enjoy it.

You're getting progressively... I'll sit through it to get to the second half because I... The second half of this movie is just a terrific action movie with such good practical effects. I love it. The first half, though, is my emotional core because it's all over the place. There's a toxic relationship. It moves too fast. There are nudes.

There are promises broken. Yeah. There's a mean brunette who's all about what he wants. You mean? First half is dope. Billy Zane? Billy Zane. I'm talking about Billy Zane.

I feel like he started to... I like that you identified a man character as his hair color the way that a lot of people will be like, oh, you know, that blonde, and it's almost always referring to a woman. Yeah, let's start doing that. Let's start reducing men to their hair color. I'm very sensitive to male hair

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