The Bechdel Cast - What Women Want with Laci Mosley

Episode Date: February 7, 2019

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And this is our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. That's right. And how movies usually do a bad job. Yeah. We use the, I don the, I need to like wake up. This is earlier than we usually record. It's 10 a.m. Yeah, I will say the fury of this movie does kind of drive me in how today will go. I just need to like wake myself up into it. So we use the Bechdel test, a media metric created by Alison Bechdel that we use as a starting off point.

Yeah. But there's a lot more to talk about than the Bechdel test alone. Indeed. And of course, the Bechdel test, if you're not familiar, requires that a piece of media, a movie, let's say, has two female identifying characters who are named. They must speak to each other and their conversation cannot be about men which sounds boring informed by an impending reboot i haven't seen any of the reviews of the impending reboot i have not seen reviews i have seen uh the trailer several times i have two yeah which i don't think it looks good but i think it has been

at least given a little bit more thought in terms of basically everything than this movie what women want i hope it's good yeah i hope it's good i'll probably see it it. I just I'm a Taraji P. Henson stan. So I will usually go. I don't know. I'm just like, I don't think a reboot to watch because i kept having to like pause and like take notes and be like what did he just say like what it's uh it was exhausting went into a blind fury and just typed so well before we jump in let's introduce our guest yeah she is an actress she is a comedian you remember her from our 10 Things I Hate About You episode. It's Lacey Mosley. Hey. Welcome back.

Yes, so good to be back with y'all. Oh, that was fun. I had a good time in here yelling about that move. This is fun. Yeah, yelling, I mean, it keeps my blood pressure where it needs to be. Right. Fully up, almost bursting out of my skin at all times

I can feel the blood moving through my veins y'all feel that right? that's a normal feeling it's good to remember that you're alive yeah so What Women Want it's a 2000 movie

it was a hit big hit 70 million budget, which is like, what? Fucked it. For who? Why that much? I think to make Mel Gibson dance for that long. Ugh. That was, talk about one of the more upsetting things I've ever, but it made almost $400

million. Oh my God. Damn. People love this movie. Domestically or Like Internationally Wikipedia leaves I see Probably total

Que quieres la mujer Con Mel Gibson Everywhere Just cleaning up I mean this is kind of like In Maybe on like The later end of

Peak Mel Gibson Like when people would go To see a movie It feels crazy now, but just because he was in it, people would be like, ah, the thing, okay. The first thing that drives me crazy

is this was directed by a woman, Nancy Meyers, who's all over the place. Yes. And we've covered several of her movies that she's directed, including The Parent Trap. The Lindsay Lohan one.

And The Holiday. And The Intern, which. The Lindsay Lohan one. And The Holiday. And The Intern, which is one of my favorite bad movies. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. What if old people wanted to work? How dare they? And like Robert De Niro's the underdog of the movie. I was like, okay, I guess. Yeah, let's see.

Anne Hathaway's the villain. Like it's just, ooh, I love it. I love it. She's also made some stinkies. She's made Father of the Bride Part 1 and 2. Haven't seen that. Haven't seen It's Complicated. Oh, It's Complicated was kind of cute.

I liked It's Complicated. I love you some Meryl, though. Oh, no. Yeah. Meryl in a movie, I'm like, sign me up. Even Ricky and the Fash, that shit was bad. But I said, at least you spent the time with your daughter. I did see it.

It's complicated. I kind of did fuck with it. I think I like more Nancy Meyers movies than I dislike. Even The Holiday, as stupid as it is. I'm disappointed in you, Jamie. It was like peak rich white lady fantasy for me. I was like, ooh, Jamie. That was like peak rich white lady fantasy for me. I was like, ooh, one day when I become a rich white lady, I too will share my house and have an adventure.

Yes, bitch. They don't even have an adventure, though, in that movie. They just stay in at the other people's houses the whole time. They don't even go outside. For me, that's an adventure. It's pre-Airbnb. It was a simpler time. People are excited even go outside. For me, that's an adventure. It's pre-Airbnb. It was a simpler time. People are excited.

Just being in someone else's house was wild. And then Jack Black, my favorite part of that movie is the movie does not consider Jack Black hot enough to kiss. While Jude Law is shown actively fucking the whole movie, Jack Black gets a little peck on the cheek at the last second. And they're like, peck on the cheek at like the last second

and they're like, that's all you get. Normal looking person. Anyways, now that I'm looking at her, I mean, she's definitely got some problematic faves, but in general,

this, I would say, is my least favorite movie of hers. Yeah. Yeah. What Women Want is a movie that i hate so um it was a fun hate watch there's a version of this that i could imagine like making a drinking game and getting very fucked like just drink every time you're upset and then you die at the end of alcohol play yeah you have to get like 10 minutes in yeah it's crazy how frustrating this movie is so quickly like it's wild i've never seen an

opening montage just go so poorly so fast i was like whatever this is leading up to it was not worth it no not at all for sure oh so lacy what's your history with this movie? When did you first see it? You know, so I saw this movie when it came out in 2000. I remember seeing this movie. I'm going to put an age on myself. I was nine, yo. And I liked this movie because I was a problematic child. We all were.

I mean, I had to go back and look at my tweets from even college. And I was like, who is this bitch? She going to ruin my life. I deleted mad shit. I paid for one of those services and wiped all my shit clean. I said, I don't know that bitch. I ain't never knew her. And nobody can prove that I did.

Everyone has to, like, wipe who they were pre-2014. Right. Before I read books. Before I talked to other people. Lord Jesus. But I remember enjoying this movie. I remember kiki-ing to this movie. I remember being like, I talked to other people. Lord Jesus. But I remember enjoying this movie. I remember kiki into this movie. I remember being like, oh, this is funny.

Yes, male. Oh, my God. A time in my life where I said, yes, male. Oh, child. But so I remember enjoying it. I remember being like, oh, I loved rom-coms. I've always loved comedy, obviously. So I remember being like, oh, this movie is cutecoms. I've always loved comedy, obviously. So I remember being like, oh, this movie

is cute and a little kinky. Now he sympathize with the women because he heard their thoughts. Oh, Lord, no. So yeah, that was me. A little problematic Lacey. Hey, we were all there. We were all there. Jamie, what about you?

This was my mom's favorite movie. I think this was a lot of mom's favorite movies No that makes sense My boyfriend was saying the same thing He's like every mom in Wisconsin fucking squirts for this movie Like my mom had this on VHS I remember I don't think I saw it

I've seen it in like bits and pieces on TV Over the years I think this was the first time I'd seen it all the way through but i knew this story because my mom would my mom would use this movie and click as like ways to impart life lessons to me where with click she'd always be like you know you really can't go back who's your mom my mom she's just a demented woman. You know you can't go back. She's like, you know, you really. There's no rewind button on life. I wish I had a click, but I don't.

Oh, this is. But What Women Want was like when she thought it was so funny. She was like, I mean, she might still be struggling through the whole. Because she loved Mel Gibson and had a lot to work through but yeah my experience was I'm pretty sure I saw like chunks of it on like TNT over the course of years

but this was my first time all the way through and it was a journey it was a journey I'll never forget and I hate to say it but it has like the pacing and the parts of all Nancy Meyers movies that I do like so it was weird to see a movie that was like paced and looked and sort of sounded like a movie that I have liked but have everything filled in with horrible bullshit see I think the

pacing is one of this movie's worst things. And there's a lot wrong with it. Because first of all, it's over two hours, which is way too long for a rom-com. And it just feels like it takes a really long time for the romantic story to get going. And then... In the last two seconds, he has to be like, Judy Greer, don't kill yourself. There's all these what was that there

subplots yo and that shit was still funny we'll get to that but I was like the fuck it's interesting I think if I

enjoyed Mel Gibson like if I thought he was like a zaddy or something that I would understand the pacing more cause I'd be like oh they'd be like you know I'm watching this movie

cause I have a hard on for Mel Gibson so you know having dance and shit and his abs he's not he's not he's not charming he look like a uncle they'd be like, you know, I'm watching this movie because I have a hard on for Mel Gibson, so, you know, having dance and shit. He's not charming. He looked like an uncle in this movie, too. He was quite... I remember how old he was. I remember thinking

he looked young in the movie. I don't know. I think that 2000, I guess, was a long fucking time ago where people were like, yeah, I want this scene to go on longer. Why is that dancing scene so long? I don't even know. It felt like

they took his resume and was like, well, what has he not done in the movie yet? Let's do his accent. Let's do the accent. You know when he's talking on the TV? Oh, he's doing Sean Connery. Yeah, let's do his Sean Connery. Let's do his Sean Connery. And then also, they were just picking off the resume. Let's do the dance thing.

Let's throw the dancing in. Yeah, it's not in the script, but just throw it in. The fuck? And then he turns on Bitch, and then he takes his shirt off. I'm like, this is not what Bitch should be playing during as a shirtless Mel Gibson. That's the opposite of what that song stands for. Oh, God.

I did love to see, I mean, although I do love to see Mel Gibson get electrocuted, that was fun. That was tight. That happened three separate times. Oh, three, right? Three? Oh yeah, because he tries to re-electrocute himself

and then at the end, he accidentally gets electrocuted again. Before going to a doctor, he's like, let me just get drunk and electrocute myself a second time. Which could have cut the movie short. Genius. Especially with the amount of electrocution they showed.

Like they zoomed out from the building and it was like an explosion. He was hit by lightning. But don't worry, he's good though. He's fine. Miles alive. Yeah, he wakes up on his couch. Oh, God. My history with the movie is I don't think i saw it the whole way

through either until just watching it to prep for the episode but i thought that i had and i think it's just because i've seen the trailer for this movie a million times like i remember seeing the trailer when the movie was coming out and then i just that made me think that i had seen it or i knew the premise and so i'm i think maybe i've seen parts of it in any case there was so much that I didn't remember or didn't know about and I am furious about it but shall we get into the recap I guess so there's so many subplots to tackle I feel like this movie needs two subplots gone. Gone. Yes. At least.

There's so many women in his life so suddenly. The Judy Greer storyline makes mental illness what it isn't in every single way. But to the point where it did make me laugh. Where she just walking around like, I just. Someone bumps her. I wish he'd killed me i was like so whoever wrote this has never been depressed a day in their fucking life that's not what she got so poorly she got grazed i was like he almost killed me i wish i wish he had and i love that that like she wanted to kill herself because she didn't get a promotion or like

that's what I meant to believe that feels like not enough the way suicidality is handled is so bad it's just completely wrong to the point where I'm like alright I'm down to left this is a thing that's never happened before

maybe that's what they were going for I don't know I hope so because they were like this is a thing that's never happened before. Maybe that's what they were going for. I don't know. I hope so. Because they were like, this is a way to treat suicide and not have it be in the realm of reality. Because if it was too real, it wouldn't fit the tone of the movie, which just to me is like, then just don't have it in the movie. Don't have it. Get rid of it.

But also, I love that he doesn't notice that she's suicidal till the end, but he does notice that she's funny. He says that he's like, oh, you know what? We should have her as a copywriter. She's very funny. Every time I bump into her, she's like, well, she would have murdered me. He does notice, but he totally brushes it off. He's like, she's funny, suicidal, but funny. And that's what matters here.

And then he finds and then he's like, she's not here. Oh, no, she meant all the suicidal thoughts she was having better go to her apartment oh my god she has a cat though so she does have a cat anyway okay doesn't he like doesn't he find her suicide note and then but then she's there and she's like she's like what are you doing here i'm like well he's holding your suicide note so this has to be a conversation it's or just tell him to leave but he's like haha you are funny do you want to be promoted and then she's like oh my god yes a reason to live you don't work for mel you fixed my suicide also i'm here before he fixed her suicide he has a whole moment to himself about his own shit.

Like, he comes in and is like, bitch, don't kill yourself. Then she's like, ooh, why are you here? Then he's like, I can hear your thoughts. Say some thoughts. I'm saying thoughts. I can hear shit. Let me think about me. Turns around, has a moment to himself about his own life.

And then he's like, right, right, right, right. Don't kill yourself, bitch. He goes back to it. Oh, there's something more urgent here. Uh, you. He goes back to it. Oh, there's something more urgent here. Uh, you. What? It's bananas. He takes a break from stopping this woman's suicide to have a moment.

To be like, oh my God, the third act of the movie, it's still happening. There's a lot of moments in this movie where Mel Gibson is really like mugging to nobody. That's like one of them there's the moment he's in like the department store and he's hearing thoughts he's like oh i can't oh i was like you look completely like out of your mind and then later when he's like oh this thing that i have is actually a gift and he's like running down the street and like getting close to women to like hear their thoughts Yes. And he's like, this is great. He immediately starts abusing it, but with the permission of a woman.

So we're supposed to think that's OK? Because it's like, oh, Bette Midler's all trifling ass. Oh, I used to love Bette Midler. And then she came out as a white feminist on Twitter. It's mind-boggling. Oh, child. But back when I used to love her. So she just comes out and is like, Mel, you have a gift.

Go use that shit against everybody. And Mel's like, thank you. And then she never comes back. Never. Never. She's not even credited in the movie. Really? Which is wild.

She doesn't appear in the credits. That's very funny. That's very wild. And then she saw it and she was like, I don't know. She's like, never mind. Take me out. Actually, I don't know. But you're in question.

I used to love you, man. I had your album. Anyway. Another time. All right. So the story. I used to love you, man. I had your album. Anyway, another time. So the story. I'll get through this as quickly as possible because there's so much to talk about. But OK, so we meet Nick Marshall, played by Mel Gibson. He is a player. He's a manipulator of women.

He has an ex-wife who feels that he never understood her. He has a 15-year-old daughter named Alex who he's never really connected with. There's this woman named Lola who works at a coffee shop that he keeps trying to ask out. We see him at work. He's up for a big promotion as a creative director at the ad agency where he works, but he doesn't get it because Darcy McGuire, Helen Hunt's character, is hired instead. And Nick knows of this person and thinks that she is a bitch on wheels. Quote from the movie. It's ridiculous. Yeah.

She is hired over him because his boss, played by Alan Alda, is like, we need... It's a woman's world out there, you know? Alan Alda, how could you? How could he? How could you? could he how could you he's like younger women are buying stuff so we like need to cater to that demographic so that's why he hires darcy and uh she comes in she's like hey let's figure out how to advertise this box of

products to women expensive box of products yeah that everyone gets and nick is all like what a fucking bitch she is for like doing her job the like the low-key framing of like yeah like the whole point of this movie is to sell products to women that are too expensive that they don't need yeah so it's a real capitalist love story where we're entering yeah yeah yeah so then there's a five minute scene of him dancing to frank sinatra um which does not need to be in the movie i guess it's trying to endear us to him because otherwise he's so irredeemable but anyway he's getting more and more naked and you're just like oh no it's so upsetting i didn't ask for this and so as he's trying these different products and he's struggling with them because he doesn't understand women and he's talking to himself way too much.

He like accidentally like pratfall style electrocutes himself with a hairdryer in a bathtub. That's fun. He's also listening to bitch. He's listening to bitch. Quintessential. Woman's song. Elena Smorzett. No, I always think it's someone else who is not Alanis Morissette but I always think it's Alanis Morissette yeah just because it's got bitch in the title sounds like a 90s Alanis Morissette song Meredith Brooks

yes that's the one I don't did she make any other songs I think she's had a few other hits maybe I don't know that know. But that's her song. That's her song. Yeah. Hard to say. Sorry to all you Meredith Brooks fans out there who are screaming at us right now. Her heads are going to come for us, dude. Don't you fuck with Mary B?

I was going to text you and be like, my mansions are demolished. So our apologies. Sorry, Brooksie. Anyway, so when he wakes up, he discovers that he can hear women's thoughts. Is it because he got electrocuted by an enchanted women's hair product? I thought because he had on all the ladies stuff. All the ladies stuff.

He had on the nail polish, and he had on the pantyhose and the bra. And I did not like that his nails were perfectly painted. I was like, well, how the fuck he paint his nails so well? And he got a top coat on. Get the fuck out of here. Put no damn top coat on. Sure, I can't even do that. Fuck out of here.

So then, he's like, oh my god, I'm going crazy. Why can I hear these women's thoughts? And there's like this pitch meeting that he performs badly at because he learns that a bunch of women think that he is a jerk and he is genuinely shocked yeah he's like what what what you're starting to think nobody likes me but also when he can first hear the thoughts there's i mean we can break these

down in detail later yeah but the way that the thoughts work kind of depends on what the scene is because at first he's walking down the street and women are thinking about the most stereotypical women thinking one woman's like estrogen and the other woman's like child rearing and the next one's like calories did i do the right thing in the kitchen i don't know but then but then when he gets the office then it gets like more critical of him but if first ever still women are only ever thinking about him except for a few exceptions yeah the thought the thoughts were first you like you said all women's thoughts like oh my push gina oh nips and then lady bits and men maybe and then it turns into just everything is about him and

every woman in his life completely thinks and works for him even in their own brains they're not free of being obsessed with him with yep fucking mel gibbs yeah um okay so then meanwhile his daughter alex is staying with him she's got a boyfriend who uh he doesn't like she and her dad are not getting along and then he he can hear his daughter's thoughts too and he's all like oh no how dare my daughter have any sexual feelings and then he tries to reverse what has happened by re-electrocuting himself but it does not not work. He just gets electrocuted. Yeah, he just gets electrocuted. But survives. And he's fine.

So he goes to his former marriage counselor. Played by Bette Midler. And she's like, wow. This is actually a gift. This is a good thing for you. You have to learn from this. And if you know what women want. Then you can rule.

She says. And he's like. She's like, why? Yeah. Who are? And then there's also supposed to be the justification for him being a complete piece of shit with this new gift. But it's like a woman told him to. So you all asked for it.

Yeah. Yeah. This movie finds so many ways to blame what's happening on women. It's nuts. It's like he was raised by a bunch of floozies. Old time floozy hoes. And they taught him to be this

misogynistic and they said touch my ass cause I'm a floozy hoe in Vegas. Like what? To the very beginning his ex-wife absolves him of everything. It's nuts. Which also like if you think about it for two seconds makes no sense of like oh he was raised by a single mother who is like working in

vegas but he hates women like it just doesn't i think they were trying to say that because he was raised by what is deemed to be not respectable uh you know women women who obviously don't have any self-esteem because they're exclusive, then obviously how could he respect women because he's never known a woman who respected herself. Exhausting. Directed by a woman. And co-written by a woman. And I know, it's shame on everyone involved.

Indeed. This movie has, like, very little respect for any, like, woman for any woman who isn't white and working in an office. Yeah. Because even at the end in that scene with his daughter, where the daughter's like, and then he kissed a slut with a tongue ring. And then he was like, I can't believe he kissed a slut with a tongue ring. We have to say that again. They're like, no, we have to also let Mel Gibson say it because he's a feminist icon and people want to hear it.

Sorry. Oh, no. So he uses what now he also believes to be this gift to take out Lola or to ask her out. And he's like, don't worry, I won't hurt you. He's reading all her thoughts. She's like don't worry I won't hurt you he's reading all our thoughts she's manipulating her goodness um and she like really likes him so he's like basically taking advantage of the situation and then well back at the office he goes to Darcy and he learns via her thoughts that she wants to land the Nike women's division as a client do you think maybe nike gave this movie a little bit of money to repeatedly call them the most feminist brand that's ever

existed i don't know there's like a very long scene where helen hunt is like okay so nike as we know loves and respects women in every way. And this is like what we have to do to just put on display how much women should be buying Nike products. And Mel Gibson's like, yes, of course, Nike and women. When they make out, she's moaning, oh, Nike. Just do it. Subtle advertising. Shout out to y'all. goodness um so he's like hey i'll help you with nike and then their boss comes in and he's like hey let me get your read on something and then

nick steals all of her thoughts and uses them as his own not the first time he's done this he already tried it with anna gastar right uh but it backfired so now he's better at time he's done this. He already tried it with Anna Gasteyer. Right. But it backfired. Unsuccessfully. So now he's better at stealing women's ideas. He's better at it. Because he's still trying to sabotage Darcy and get her fired because he still wants her job. He is. He's trying to get on his daughter's good side by offering to buy her a prom dress.

He goes on that date with Lola and they have sex. And he's bad at it at first and then he starts he's like wait a minute if I just listen to her thoughts I'll be good at sex and then that works Marissa Tomei really overacts her way through it

but I enjoyed it the whole thing where she's like Ah! Mel Gibson's penis good Nike I love it Mel Gibson's penis. Good. Nike. I love it. Oh, God.

Then he starts bonding with various women at his office. And he. Sarah Paulson's there. So many great women actresses. And their talents are completely wasted on this movie. But they got to check, honey. Get that check. Get the money to check, honey. Get that check. Get the money.

Good for them. Oh, gosh. God. I mean, I guess if you're an up-and-coming actress that's like, do you want to be in a Nancy Meyers movie? You're like, sure. Yeah, why not? But then they're like, the twist is, it's the worst Nancy Meyers movie.

So then he and Darcy start to work together on the pitch for Nike and he uses his mind reading powers to make her think that they're on the same wavelength um and then she thinks uh and he knows her thoughts that she might be attracted to him uh and then she looks at his penis in that scene that I think is from the trailer but they look at looked at the penis twice? Oh, I looked at his penis. Oh, no, I looked at it again. I kind of giggled, but also I shouldn't have. Also, she reacts in a way that is, like, not subtle. And she could have just been like, oops.

So then they start to flirt. And they go on to this, like, romantic dinner. They kiss. And then later Lola is like, wait a minute. Remember when you had sex with me? You're gay. And he's like, yeah. It was, oh, there's so much to unpack with that scene.

We'll get there. And then in the pitch meeting to Nike, he started, he's feeling guilty about having stolen her ideas. But she's like, no, no, no. You do the pitch meeting. So he does it. And he nails it. Everyone in Nike is immediately like, where can I sign? This guy's won.

Yeah, I want to give him my vagina. So brutal. And then Alan Alda's like, wow, this Darcy lady, what a mistake that was. So he fires her because he thinks that she hasn't done anything. And then Nick's like, wait a minute. No, the good ideas were actually hers. You've got to hire her back. And then the various subplots that don't need to be in the movie come to a conclusion where he has to go to prom.

He has milk and go to prom he has Mel Gibson goes to prom they walk him through the whole prom look it ain't a rom-com without prom nobody has to be in high school for the prom to happen Mel Gibson just shows up at a prom

Mel Gibson's 46 years old at fucking prom this grown ass man. And they try to make that shit look cool. He gets in with no problem. He approaches a teenage girl. He's like, hey, do you know my daughter? She's got brown hair.

And I was like, yeah. He's like, yeah. Oh, the brown haired girl? Yeah, she's in there. And then his daughter's like, I can't believe I'm telling you this. I was going to freak. But then guys are bad. And then he was like, listen, I know what it's like to be a woman.

Yes. Because I heard their thoughts for like three days. I know what it's like to be a woman. And if he's kissing a slut with a tongue ring, just come home and take a nap. And she's like, I forgive you for not being there until yesterday. Oh, it's a mess. Also, his ex-wife calls him.

There's so many unnecessary scenes in this movie where like, his ex-wife didn't need to call him from a cruise. We didn't need to see the cruise. At all. They paid for a whole cruise. They had $70 million, bitch.

You gonna see the cruise okay let's get a boat shit we can't afford it she's like I'm on a cruise anyways I don't know if prom's going well why is movies a whole flex I don't appreciate that they were just like fuck it

let's put a cruise in let's do a whole prom y'all didn't need none of this no chase through chinatown to get to judy greer's apartment right save her life like it's just there's so much they're like new york city is ours it's chicago it's not even new york city you know where advertising happens it's chicago where of course there are advertising firms and but like there's that scene where um sarah paulson's like boyfriend, you can write from anywhere. If I want to be in advertising, I have to work in Chicago.

And I'm like, okay, maybe. I don't know. So I feel bad for everyone who had to be in this movie. So all these subplots come to an end. He saves Judy Greer's life. That's the whole thing. And then finally he gets a hold of Darcy and he admits to stealing her thoughts and manipulating her and all of this stuff. And then she's like, well... But does he really...

The way he explains it to her is weird where he's like, I was stealing all your ideas. And she wasn't... She does not question it at all maybe she was also writing them down somewhere but she's never like what did you go into my computer like did you yeah she has no details she's like okay she's like oh that's

not cool and then you're fired which that was fun but it was fun she does fire him but then she's like but you're still my boyfriend so listen you're fired from's like but you're still my boyfriend yeah so listen you're fired from my job but you're hired to my vagina now get to work oh that last scene is a mess she also there's so many i'm like is she getting her job because she doesn't check to see if she's

actually been rehired after the man who's like i've been lying to you this whole time is like actually i was reading your thoughts and you're fired but also you're rehired and she's like uh-huh do i really have my job back yeah man who lied to me this whole time you're fired let's kiss and then they kiss and then it is mercifully over two hours later it's over it was a long movie so we gotta take a quick break but we'll come right back

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I mean, I feel like we touched on some of it in the recap. The first thing that stood out to me is what you were saying lacy of like the beginning sequence another expensive not important sequence is the child in vegas being grown up and smoking cigars and being kissed all like as an eight-year-old that whole sequence is like well this is setting us up for a fucking disaster right uh so that i mean we i i don't know how if there's much more to say about it because like many things in this movie, the topic of his mother and his upbringing is never brought up

again. Right. And the thing that was problematic about the child's upbringing wasn't all the women around him. It was just that one man who had him smoking cigars and counting money and was smacking ass and shit. It was like, oh, come here titty bitch. And then he was like, get back to work

kid, keep counting that money. Also, what time was that man from? Like, I guess Gisborne was born in the 20s. Child Mel Gibson is his accountant. His accountant's like an 8-year-old. He's like, start counting this.

He just wanders into central casting. But I was like like the women were actually lovely they were like oh hi sweetheart and he grew up around so many nice women but i guess because they had their breasts out and they were right they were the thoughts of the time that he hated them like they were bad women it really makes no sense it makes no sense the whole makes no sense. The whole intro. And again, it's like words put into his ex-wife's mouth. So it seems like the way she's explaining it is like because he grew up around like women that aren't to my standard. That's why he's a raging misogynist.

But then the movie is like, no, but she's right. Because look, he's a raging misogynist. And then we get to the first sequence, which in the first i was trying to clock it in the space of five minutes he sexually harasses his housekeeper yeah within an inch of her life including slapping her ass calling her babe make me a sandwich the whole nine yards yep then he gets to work he bumps into a woman, says she spills coffee, and then he grabs her titty and is just like, oh, I'm sorry. And then she's like, oh, she loves it. Hit her on purpose with this fucking,

that bothered me a lot. That was bad, yeah. Because I was in my head weighing, would I rather a man grab my titty or spill my coffee on me on purpose? And I was like, I would, my outfit. That shit made me mad. I'm like, you fucked my whole shit up then grab my

titty and then i'm supposed to be like thank you so much mr sir like what that was the most unrealistic part of the movie like you bumped into me on purpose and then you grabbed my whole titty yeah and then she was like oh i was like she skipped out that shirt is ruined and you were assaulted that's not good uh then he goes to marissa Tomei, who in this scene says no to him three times, where he's like, I want you to go out with me. She's like, no, I'm not your type, which is like, sure, whatever. And then he's like, yeah, sure, grande dick. She's like, no, I don't want to.

And then he touches her hand, and he's like, ah, but what if you went out with me? There's a fucking line behind him. And she's like, no, I don't think so. And he like touches her hand and he's like ah but what if you went out with me there's a fucking line behind him and she's like no I don't think so and then he's like are you sure and then at the end she's like okay and you know what's crazy about that is I've seen so many movies do that thing but the guy like gets increasingly charming

and it works but I've never seen even then I'm like this is not real life I said no tell your ass it's cause no you whack. But I was like, please stop asking me out. He gets increasingly creepier. And it works. That was the weird thing for me. I was like, this motherfucker didn't even get no more charming.

He was like, go out with me. Go out with me and get this dick. Go out with me. I'm going to touch you now. What? He also said, I don't know where the Starbucks sizes were at at this time, but he says grande, which is medium. So he's like, I've got a medium-sized dick. You want some of this?

Venti. He's like, oh, it's more of a tall, small dick. So we're still not out of the first five minutes of the movie. Oh, OK. So then now he's at work. He says that horrible joke to that woman where he's like, isn't it crazy how your wife doesn't suck your dick anymore?

And she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then he goes up to his friend who I thought was Breckenmire but wasn't. That's the only way I can think of to describe that actor. I thought that he was the guy from The Walking Dead. Oh, see see it could have been or not but it's neither of them oh and that bigger lady like who wasn't bigger she was hollywood fat like like a normal size right yeah she's a six and she's trying to eat a donut he's

like put that down fat bitch in passing he's just walking by. It's insane. And then he, like, the first five minutes ends when he's at Sarah Paulson. And Sarah, and he's just like, I think that's like the least bad of the interactions, but it's still bad because he's just condescending to her and he's like, get my coffee, blah, blah, blah. And that is how the movie starts. Right. He sexually harasses no less than like 10 people. Fat shames and starts. Right. He sexually harasses no less than like 10 people. Fat shams and salts.

Yeah. Well, here's the thing about this. Ruins the outfits of. Like everything women hate, he does in the first five minutes of the movie. It's really. The joke was incoherent. The one about, you was crazy after 10 years. Work still sucks, but your wife still doesn't suck i'm getting

divorced and he like walks away you're like no shit you're getting divorced well that's okay so we he's set up to be this like horrible misogynist who i guess as the audience we're supposed to see that he's a misogynist but he's also the protagonist so we're like ah he's charming and so what if he's assaulting and harassing women? It's weird. He wasn't even that charming. Maybe that's Mel Gibson's fault because I just think Mel Gibson is inherently not charming. But this guy is not charming.

Nothing he did, I was like, I could see how somebody would get away with this. I was always like, no. Yeah. Right. The like the uncanny valley of like us needing to believe Mel Gibson is hot is like on par with like the Polar Express. You're just like there. No, this looks wrong. Yeah. Everything about this is wrong.

I feel tricked. I feel like Hollywood was like, this man is sexy to y'all. No, we never agreed on this. We never said that. We said so. Get to lusting but then so whenever he can start to hear women's thoughts he realizes that all of the comments he's been making have been not received well and that he has not been respecting women so to me it feels like this

movie attempts to make a feminist message i don't think it succeeds or works at all but i don't know that that i don't that's what is like a lot of moms love this movie and that is baffling to me but i'm like is i don't know it's not feminist in any way but i there are moments where you can tell the movie thinks it's doing that right and you're just like well because i think the the message of the movie is supposed to be or the thing that the like filmmakers intended for the audience to take away was that oh man this this guy who doesn't respect women until he's forced to like get inside their heads and like learn that he's been sexist to them this whole time so he has to like change his attitude about women if he wants to keep having sex with them he's gotta learn he's gotta listen like there is like a attempt at a

like men should listen to women more i could see this being revolutionary at the time i think of it kind of like i mean we're progressively getting more feminist you know as the years go on or at least starting to listen to women the, the infrastructures that keep women and people of color still exist, or keep us down. You know, they exist still, and they're growing very strong. But at least there are mediums where we can be heard. So I feel like this movie was probably like, if you were in solitary confinement,

and then somebody let you, like, walk around a prison cell, you'd be like, oh, damn! Look at me, I got a toilet! Ha ha ha! Ooh toilet I got a bed is that something like you'd be like that is a step up you're still in jail but you know

bitch has got a little room to move around though you ain't got to talk to the wall no more it's just like crazy depressing if this movie well I don't know I feel like we were all too young to really know what the vibe was then but like if the first movie that

was like hey guys maybe listen to a woman for the first time in 2000 they're like holy shit everyone's gotta see this movie this is revolutionary like what when I talk? And maybe you won't grab my breast and ruin my shirt? It's also just crazy that a movie called What Women Want stars Mel Gibson.

It's told from his point of view. It's about a guy who never stops manipulating women until maybe the very, very end. And it also doesn't help that it's Mel Gibson and he is a notorious racist and notoriously anti-semitic and he's a piece of shit. Very anti-women. He's got some mean voicemails. He's left women.

He's absolutely like hasn't he? Which rings true in the movie. I think that's why I don't he's not even a little bit charming. You can't. It's so hard to believe. There not even a little bit charming you can't because there are some men who get away with doing shit because you'd be like mostly fine men uh my mom works in hr and was always like you know we never get any reports about hot guys that's just what doesn't happen and i was like it's not okay but there are some people who get away with more shit because

you're like you're kind of fine that still happens exists. That still exists though because I feel like today. I think it's an individual basis. I don't think that there's a person alive who can be disrespectful to a group of people and someone's not going to find it disrespectful.

Right. But I think that there are people who get a little bit more case by case acknowledgement than others. And this does, and that does, Mel's not one of those.

And it does seem something like, a movie like this could reinforce, and a lot of movies reinforce ideas like that, where like, when hot guys harass you, it's fine, because you're supposed to like, want their attention at all.

Right. that's, ugh. Well, we live in hell, so. Well, this movie,

so, this movie also, it reinforces the idea that women are impossible to figure out that they never say what they mean that we aren't like clear communicators also that when you're walking around you're just like estrogen right unless you think full complete sentences that was what was bothering me i was like how much of my day do i actually spend thinking like oh my god i, I looked at his penis. Like, is that a thought I'm having? I'm stuttering in my head 24-7. I'm like, I don't know. In my head? I'm stuttering in my head?

Also, the fact that he finds out he has this ability and then first he thinks it's a curse and then whenever Bette Midler convinces him that it's actually a gift, he's like, well, hey, it's a curse. And then whenever Bette Midler convinces him that it's actually a gift, he's like, well, hey, it's fine then for me to just completely be so invasive and literally read women's thoughts in order to figure them out and trick them and manipulate them. This makes him so irredeemable throughout the entire movie. And then the movie makes the attempt to redeem him at the end. In the most possible fucking way.

With Marissa Tomei standing at his house and then him being like, it's so hard for me to lie and say that I'm gay because I'm obviously so straight. I obviously can't stop fucking women. But you know what? I'm going to make this concession for you because I read your mind and tricked you into betting me. Like, what? He spends so much of the time of this movie stealing women's ideas, totally steamrolling them, gaslighting them into being like, no, this was my idea. Just, it's horrible.

That first scene with Ana Gasteyer, did I say her name? I believe so. I'm not going to say it wrong. But when he's first starting to realize that he can be a thought grifter, he steals an idea from one of the female employees in the room, says it, but says it kind of wrong.

And then immediately, because I don't know, like Aunt Gasser's idea also doesn't sound good, but it's like Advil, what you take when you need to fake a headache so you don't have sex with your man. Right. I was like, this is already too long of a journey for a single billboard. I'm having an Advil tonight because I don't want to have your dick. What?

What is this? And then Mel Gibson tries to communicate this bad idea. They gotta take NSAIDs. Don't forget. Like, that's how far women, also a testament to how far women have to go to just say they don't want to have sex.

They have to take an Advil. You have to buy Advilil not because you need it, but because you need to fake the headache. Take a gentle pill in front of your husband. Because women are so frigid that we never want to have sex with our husbands or whatever. And also if you don't want to, you can't just say so. You have to fake an injury. You need to fake an injury.

You have to ruin your liver and your kidneys with like medicine you don't need. So then Mel Gibson tries to present that idea as his own. And then Helen Hunt is like, what are you talking about? And then Mel Gibson, instead of being like, I'm sorry, that wasn't a good idea. He then weaponizes it against the person whose idea it was. He goes up to Ana Gasteyer and he's like, you don't fuck your husband, do you? And then she's like, what? And he's like, you fake your

orgasms, don't you? And she's like, no, I never fake my orgasms. And he's like, fuck you. And he sits down. Also, if he's supposed to be good at advertising, you can't tell what a good idea is and what a bad idea is. You were just like, alright, which one of these bitches is and what a bad idea is like you were just like

all right who which one of these bitches is thinking right now so bad at his job okay let me get that thought you a woman it's gotta be good like what also don't forget that he interrupted the other woman who was trying to pitch helen hunt an idea he's like wait a minute let me interrupt a man's talking here's my stupid idea about Advil. And that's the same woman who he was like, wives don't suck enough dick. Right. Anyways, like, that was the same lady. Yeah.

And yet we're supposed to feel that he has been redeemed by the end of the movie. And then he's, so the majority he, so he finds someone who is very, so Helen Hunt's really good at her job, and he steals her thoughts and presents them as his own, which she doesn't really push back on ever. Which is bizarre. Yeah, where she's like, that's so crazy.

I was just thinking that. But then even so, if she was just thinking that, then we're going to together – Because the thought is that women are so insecure. Right. And that like, oh, she got this job. But come on, guys. We all know she got the job because she's a woman. Right.

She had to push Jaina and needed one to really reformat our company. So here she is. And Alan Arkin says that. Fuck. He says that. He literally says like, you're not going to believe this, but women are making purchases out there. So he, like, tokenizes her before we even meet her.

And then she is, I mean, and that's, like, a whole other, like, systemic issue. But they made it true. They didn't actually even make her smart because she never says any of her ideas like out loud. It's that he steals them from her head and realizes that she's smart, which otherwise he would not have. Or yeah, I don't know what would have happened if he didn't. I feel like maybe he might have crashed and burned because then she would have been good at her job. Right. I think things would have worked out much better for her if he couldn't read her thoughts.

If he wasn't around. Because then he wouldn't have gotten the promotion. he still wouldn't have been good at his job she was having the good ideas and she wouldn't have wanted to hang out with him because she heard he was an asshole yeah because i feel like the movie tried to make it seem like well if he wasn't stealing the thoughts would she have ever said them and i was like oh right probably yeah i think she would have i hope so also the advertisement advertisement that he stole from her head and then formulated into the ad was still about men. Like, the ad at the end of the day was about men.

It was like, the road that you run on, it doesn't care if you have on lipstick. It doesn't care if you're old or you're young. Like, a man would care. It will call you back. Unlike that man that you're dealing with. Like, this road is better than a man. You're young, like a man would care, it will call you back. Unlike that man that you're dealing with, like this road is better than a man. You're like, what?

You could fuck this road if you wanted to. It'd probably make you cum better than a man would. What is happening? The road is for, it's fucking ridiculous. And then the women are like, oh, I love it. Yes, where do I sign? Sign me up. The road is for unfuckable women.

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I felt Bjork's music. I just was like, who is this person? I got to hawk this slalom, Rudy. I'm not going to hawk this slalom. I absolutely love it. It was somehow Shakespearean when you said it. It was somehow gorgeous. Yee, my slok, you hollum.

Listen to Las Culturistas on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Another thing I wanted to say about the Alan Alda character in that whole situation is Alan Alda doesn't hire a woman to give her a professional opportunity or to like diversify the company's employees. He only does it so that they can make money. And he thinks that like, oh, well, if we do this, then like we we're gonna pull in a whole different demographic of people and that'll make us money and i feel like that's a lot of what the thinking is in like hollywood still where it's like well we don't

really care about you know showing the stories of women or people of color or queer people but it's trendy to do right now and people seem to be paying money to go see those stories so let's do it yeah and it's like they're capitalizing on a movement rather than like actually giving people a platform to tell their stories because they actually care about doing that and they're so honest about it yeah yeah and it's like if you're commenting on it in the movie that's one thing but they're not they're saying, look, yes, white men are more interesting than all of you, hetero white men. We're the best, we're the most interesting,

but apparently bitches is out here buying shit, so let's get one of those ones with the boobs in here so that we can get some of that money. Mel Gibson says, I hear she is a bitch on wheels, and then Alan Alda replies, that is very funny. Okay, I'm sorry, but there is something very funny about, why on wheels? Is she moving really fast?

She's a bitch. She's getting around. So she has this reputation apparently as being like, I guess, a ball buster or something like that. So why wouldn't she, whenever she's in this job be more outspoken and like be unless like maybe this reputation

was not earned or I mean it's hard to say but I think it's because she was a boss like a woman in a position of power that immediately she has to be a bitch because that's how jobs work guys come on if a woman has a better position than you then she is mean unfortunately is a bitch.

She's a mean. She's a mean. Yeah, the whole thing is confusing. And then the romantic pursuit and their romantic relationship is also very troubling, where first he absolutely hates her just based on her reputation alone. He resents the fact that she was hired instead of him for this promotion. He does all this stuff to undermine her. It's inappropriate.

Steals her idea. Oh, and then whenever she's first introduced, there's like this weird like male gaze shot of just her legs where he's like on the ground picking up a pen or something. And he's like looking at her legs and then it like pans up and this like weird male gazey shot that like doesn't need to happen. But I guess it's to establish that like, oh, wow, she's attractive and they're going to end up together. But like this is overly critical, but it is of Mel Gibson. So I don't think it matters. I think he has a dead tooth. I kept pausing it to be like, I think he has a dead tooth. I think Mel Gibson has a dead tooth. I kept pausing it to be like, I think he has a dead tooth.

I think Mel Gibson has a dead tooth in this movie. Which with a $70 million budget, you could get you a lab tooth real quick. Cut the fucking Vegas scene and get this man a tooth. Right. We need Jerry Bruckheimer in there to get him some veneers. He had a shadow tooth. It was haunting me. Yeah, Bruckheimer would not be having any of this

no you'd be like better like take them out put in a new set at any it is distracting like how are you supposed to be extra super fine and then he's got a dead tooth also like that moment in the beginning where she's speaking and she does like it seems like she's on top of her shit she comes in with some products she already has some work for everyone to do and he's like with his foil i think the guy who's his best friend is meant to be a foil of like yeah mel gibson's trash but look at this other creepy little more trash guy he's shorter he's shorter and he's got a douche face right he's gotta be worse than mel like what is this guy's purpose but they're snickering and undermining her as she talks. And then even when they begin to become friends, it was very disturbing to me because there

is a power dynamic of this is your boss, dude. And he never treats her like she's his boss. He grabs her chair that's on wheels and pulls it close to him. Right. While they're working. And yeah, he's like her underling and it's never it's always like i the thinking about like someone who works for you being like get over here what you're and then i'm gonna pull your chair closer to me right now get over here no matter

who did that to me i would probably hit them she's also sick and she's like i'm sick i don't feel and she's like he's like i don't care you're like oh gosh so yeah he's doing all this whole stuff and then i mean not to mention the very unequal power dynamic of him being able to hear her innermost thoughts yes what he should have done when he realized he has this ability is go to like Walden Pond and close himself up in a cabin and never leave again like that's what a good person would have done but instead he's like oh I can hear every woman's thoughts better take advantage of this I don't know what he I don't like I have no suggestion for what he should have done except for like not what he did yeah I don't know i mean the way that like

the magic of the hearing women's thoughts is very vague and that's fine whatever like there's no way to explain it that is gonna make any fucking sense but he's stealing women's thoughts and weaponizing their own innermost thoughts against them. And then on top of that, the writing of their thoughts is like nonsense. And the fact that he has to get so physically close to a woman to hear her thoughts, he's like, uh-huh. And like my least favorite one, but also the most egregious one, was like when he literally like there's such a women joggers are constantly

assaulted it's like a known thing but he gives him just stands directly behind one and jogs after her to hear her thoughts i'm like she thinks you're going to kill her like that's and how are her thoughts not about that like why are her thoughts not? Who is this man? Okay, put my car keys in between my fingers. These are the real thoughts of this woman who you're jogging behind. Also, Loretta Devine being in this movie. Oh my God. Which I was also, Loretta?

Loretta. I feel like Loretta is the Samuel L. Jackson, like the black woman Samuel L. Jackson, just like up in movies with the same accent. And I'm like, Loretta, how did you get in this movie? And then she's attracted to him. She's like, gotta get me some of that white chocolate. Because that's what

black women are thinking about white men for sure. That's my first thought. That's not it. All the women of color in this movie, of which there are not many, are relegated to either service jobs. Service housekeeper and service. And then they're just made the the butt of a joke mostly.

Especially with Loretta Devine. Because it's like, look how horny she is. Isn't that hilarious? She's so horny for him. You would never think. Right. It is funny that a woman would be attracted to Mel Gibson. But it's like, you have fucking Loretta Devine here.

Use her. Yeah. Correctly. This makes me fucking pissed off. The housekeeper character, too. I think that it seems like this movie assumes that it can say a lot of horrible things as long as the woman it's being done against thinks something later. But to me, that makes it way worse because they never actually say anything so you just realize that like women are nervous or like afraid in this world and like in the real world a lot of the time too like they're they're

not going to say what they think because they're afraid of someone retaliating on them like his housekeeper is like clearly like hates him but doesn't want to get fired but so has to like take this abuse from him in order to remain employed like there's just so many dark subplots that are played as jokes where it's like well we at least now we know she thinks he's an asshole and like she knows he's a worthless alcoholic it's like yeah this is not good like we're we gotta help her yeah you gotta help her but i think it was like more treated like women we know you feel this way around men. So enjoy this movie where you realize all other women are in constant fear and discomfort around men. Celebrate. Have a glass of wine.

But there's no catharsis. Because they're just like, yeah, they don't escape their predicament. Don't be stupid. Right. Women never verbally challenge any of the men it's just their thoughts which again perpetuates the idea that it's like well women are never saying what they mean we're impossible to figure out we're just like keeping everything to ourselves but at the same time we're always thinking about you we're always thinking about mel gibson specifically we can't help

ourselves poor sarah paulson like sarah paulson waste of talent. Another great character actress who has nothing to do here. And they pointed that in the movie, even. It's like, I have a degree from Yale or whatever. And all I do is get his coffee, which is ironic, because that's all she does in this movie. And she probably really does have a degree from me. She's a very talented, vetted actress. But then there's that scene where she's like

she's yeah she's like do you realize i have an ivy league education and that running your errands has put me into therapy why don't you take me seriously and give me some real work to do oh yeah i remember why it's because i have a vagina and it's like okay here's this again this movie's attempt at being like see we're doing like a feminist thing here right and it's like no sorry nancy you're not two secretaries who have no thoughts. No thoughts. One of them is played by Delta Burke. And they're like, this is OK, because we have a blonde and a brunette. So no one can say it's a dumb blonde, because we also have a brunette.

And neither of these bitches think ever. Also, did either of you see the decor in his office? It's all Vegas pinups. He's got some mommy problems on display in his office because it's all old school pinups that he goes in with his two secretaries who, I mean, I'm like, what is this commenting on?

Just no thoughts whatsoever. They're like, no, we say what we mean and what we mean is Mel Gibson rules. And that's the only, we say what we mean, and what we mean is Mel Gibson rules. And that's the only thought we have. Oh, dear. And we straighten his tie, and we brush the lint off of him when he comes in. What is this? Who are these women?

I don't know. There are many women characters in this movie, but often they only get a handful of scenes, or just a couple scenes, and we don't see them again or they were part of a wacko subplot like the judy greer character and you know we already touched on how irresponsibly depression and like suicidal ideation is handled in this movie but like yeah what was anyone thinking no one was no one was thinking that whole i mean the judy greer thing it's like i don't i don't even know how deep i i feel like we we basically touched on it because they're hi i have a male dog taking up too much space excuse me i don't i don't know the judy greer thing is

is a fucking disaster and i feel like analyzing it too closely is almost just like what's the point because no one was thinking about it in the first place. I do want to talk a little bit about his relationship with his daughter. Yes. Because that's framed. We don't really get to know his ex-wife very well, except for the fact that he fucking hates her. At the end, we don't really know if that relationship has changed or how justified it was in the first place. Also, he tries to kiss her on the mouth at her own wedding to another man like came in and disrespected the

fuck out of her he's like but first yeah he did ask he's like can i kiss you and she's like yeah and she thinks it's gonna be like a cheek kiss and he goes into her mouth and he's like and then the guy that they get to be her new husband is obviously some typecast of whatever a dorky man is supposed to look like it's like look she went from this hot male Gibson stud to this corn ball dorky guy

like they're there it reminded me of the new dad or new boyfriend in the Santa Claus like where it's like where Tim Allen supposed to look like a super alpha because this other guy's wearing a sweater. You're just like, I don't believe this. I can't respect this man wearing a sweater.

Right. They're like, he's wearing a sweater and he loves you? Fuck off. You could have had it bad with me. You could have had it bad with me. Because you'll be suffering with a sexy man. It's worse in the Santa Claus, because I don't even think Tim Allen was ever, like, positioned as a sexy person. He's not.

So it's just confusing. Tim Allen has never been attractive. He's not sexy. Isn't he also, like, alt-right or something? He's a Republican. Yeah. So fuck him straight to hell. No, no, no, no.

Anyways. Yeah, the relationship with his daughter. Yeah. He anyways the relationship with his daughter yeah it's he's so irresponsible with his daughter every person in his life is an afterthought which was really disturbing to me like he catches his daughter making out with a douchey kid who's

18 and looks like trouble and then he's like get up you can't have none of my daughter's vagina and then they's like get up you can't have none of my daughter's vagina and then then they both leave together right right well good job mel now they're just gonna fuck elsewhere if you're gonna have sex with my daughter in an alley you go won't be on my couch like he just kicks them out right that whole oh another scene that went on way too long is the scene to What a Girl Wants by Christina Aguilera, where his daughter's trying on prom dresses for five minutes, and Mel Gibson's just spinning in a chair doing reactions. This is how much people thought we loved Mel Gibson.

They're like, we don't have to put dialogue in. We don't need jokes. The girl doesn't even have to say anything. Let's just keep showing Mel sitting in a chair. I think Mel is just like, I just finished a 201 class and I kind of want to show off what I've got. And he starts improvising. He does the same thing in the dancing and makeup scene,

but the spinning in a chair, I'm like, I don't even know if they're in the same room when this is being filmed because he's just spinning. Maybe they weren't. They're like, look, Mel has a very tight schedule. We're just going to shoot him spinning around and he's going to say,

next, next, next. There's no way. He says, thank you, next. Thank you, next. Thank you, next. Mel gave us that. I was like, how dare you? But maybe they weren't

in the same room for that. Now I'm starting to think that that was one of those where they just had a tennis ball as an eyeline for her when they shot her shit and was like, just Mel is going to be right there. You just be like, but dad. Because he says nothing that really corresponds with what she's saying.

The reactions never line up. I'm like, I guess it's not 2000 and I don't. But, like, all the dresses are horrible. They're horrible. There's no wide shot. There's no two shot. Oh, my God. They were never in the same place.

I think there is a two shot where this was damn it cause he's trying to pull she has like a leather jacket on one of and he keeps trying to pull it off and then there's another one where he's like trying to put like it was his whole body

unfortunately we had to see his whole body it's like an indie circus kind of Mel Gibson. Like CGI hands. Just... Those dresses were very bad. And she chooses

one of the worst ones and he is like, yes, you look amazing. And then she looks in, because she's a girl, she looks in the mirror and thinks i wish i had some boobies to fill out this duress and then we're like oh their relationship is going well but then they have a dinner together and i mean basically he's saying like hey don't fuck i know i've never done anything for you i don't even know who you are but it's critical you don't fuck i know that and she's she's i mean one of like the better moments for her where she's

like no fuck you i'm leaving but then that scene ends bless you uh that scene ends with apparently every other woman in the restaurant who are all facing him for some reason have an opinion on the conversation they could not have possibly heard right i guess they're all women are always eavesdropping on other people's conversations it's it's what is it i don't know what is it i'm tired and then their storyline ends when she doesn't fuck because she's crying at the prom and then he's like thank god you didn't fuck and that's sort of where that's left like there's no acknowledgement of like her sexuality and he never accepts because of the way that storyline plays out he never has to accept that his daughter is growing up he literally tucks her in like a little girl and it's like i'm a great dad i gotta go leave the house

and fuck helen hunt like he also didn't know that she was going to the prom he didn't he forgot off like like you know parents usually like see you off or take pictures of you yeah like the mom calls for a cruise she's like hey uh something's wrong with our kid. It's wild. And then he gets that call fresh off of saving Judy Greer's life. And it's like, shit, the prom. I'm like, are you serious? He's going from a suicide rescue to a prom? And then he gets to the prom.

And he's like, hey, I'm sorry I forgot prom. And she's like, that's not what it is. I was like, but it could be like yeah i hate it's the whole like eight simple rules of dating my teenage daughter kind of thing where it's like like why i get that you like parents want to you know protect their children and stuff like that but we see so much of these stories of like parents especially the fathers, being like, well, she's my baby girl, so no other boys can touch her. I have control over her body and her sexuality. Why is this weird male ownership of daughters a thing?

I don't know. It's a huge thing. Huge thing. My daughter don't fuck, so I'm the best dad. Like, what? There was a girl, and I don't know what religion this ceremony was affiliated with, but it's basically, like, something that happens when you're in your early teens where you do this weird ceremony where you basically marry your dad.

Yeah. It's like a promise ring. You get a promise ceremony. With your dad. Yeah, with your dad. You're like, I promise I won't fuck dad. I'm married to you, dad, until I'm married to some other man who owns me. And then we won't fuck because that's weird.

But we'll dance together and you give me this ring. We'll dance really close. Yeah. And take creepy pictures together with the teen girl sitting on her dad's lap a lot of the time. I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful to any real but like that is that is fucking scary troubling yeah to say the least it's like a weird property paul uh before we keep i i i watched this movie with my boyfriend last night and he thank you so much with a man that loves me but he had a little theory was he reading your thoughts if he is he is very horrible because uh no i have

to explicitly tell him every thought i'm having and i do uh so his theory was that mel gibson when the hair dryer hits the water the first time mel gibson dies and then his version of hell is having to hear what women think and that's what the whole movie is i was like whoa okay where this is like his groundhog day purgatory style like the last thing he wanted in life was to know what women were thinking and i'm like you're giving the writing of this movie way too much credit but i wasn't i do enjoy that theory and it makes sense because that's why he's trying to like electrocute himself again to stop it oh my gosh um i wanted to quickly talk about the scene where his daughter and her boyfriend walk in on him while he's trying on all like the different quote feminine products and uh it's meant to be this like hugely embarrassing moment for him because

like movies and society in general love to make fun of men when they're doing anything that might be considered feminine so you know he's got on the tights and the nail polish and all this stuff and it's always framed as like wow how embarrassing for him because like mixing traditionally feminine things with traditionally masculine, like with a traditionally masculine man is so weird. And this movie is no exception. It does that very thing, which is bad. And then there's like that. I mean, can we hit that homophobic storyline? We must.

Yeah. So what happens here is basically that he's the god of sex now, apparently. He has sex with Lola and she's really into him and she thinks the sex was great. And he doesn't call her because now he's falling in love with Darcy. So then Lola basically stalks him and like hangs outside of his building. Like her face pressed up against the window. You know how you casually wait for someone. And then she's like, I've been here for six hours.

Like my hands pressed on the window and my face like peering inside. Like that's an uncomfortable position to hold for six hours. And then she's like, wait a minute. You didn't call me. And you're sensitive. And you think like a woman. And you act like a woman.

And all that stuff. So that must mean you're gay, right? And he's like, huh? And then he's hearing her thoughts. And she's saying, if he's not gay i'll be so sad and upset and so to like not hurt her feelings he struggles to say yeah it's because i'm gay and then she's like how gay and he's like is gay is it get and like it's like that like what part of this isn't sunny stop sunny you just touched my breasts.

Now spill coffee on me. You're just like Mel Gibson. She's like, she's loving this. She's so into it. It's also weird because it's like, is this the conception that people have of homosexuality? It's like, oh, because I'm gay, I'm no longer a man. Like, I'm no longer masculine in any way.

I'm no longer a man. I'm a woman. Which is bad. And also, what? That longer masculine in any way. I'm no longer a man. I'm a woman. Respect. Which is bad. Right. And also, what? That's not how anything works. And what? It's such. But not only is, like, listening and respecting a woman makes you gay, and that's really bad.

That's the worst thing you can do. Like, Mel can, he has to really, it's supposed to be an equal exchange that he listened to this woman's thoughts like first of all harass the shit out of her to get this date yeah listen to all her thoughts and manipulated her to have sex with her then did not call her for six days ghosted her so hard that she showed up to his damn house him saying that he's gay is supposed to be a fair and equal exchange right what it's not i mean it's like very obviously insulting to any queer person that he's like oh yeah i'm gonna take this opportunity so that i can ghost this woman effectively which is horrible every employee

her opinions on queer people are horrible yeah his reinforcing that and taking advantage of it is horrible and just the implication of like what being gay means in this scene is weird it's weird but also this felt like a moment that was written by a woman as a as a former not woke and still always waking up much more every day even as we talked like me referencing like oh like attractive men don't get written up for sexual harassment as much it's like oh wow that is something that is ingrained in me because i'm supposed to think that if you're attractive that oh you can disrespect me or be you know know, inappropriate. Right.

Yeah. Even that moment, I was like, whoa, that's still something that's in my mind. Thank you, patriarchy. But like, I think a woman wrote this because I think a common thing that a lot of women do to escape unwanted male advancements is be like,'m gay and i think that this was supposed to be like oh that that's that's what we use on men that we don't want all the time so they will leave us alone either we say we're property like i have a boyfriend yeah or we say i'm gay and then i my brain has no way to want you physically so you shouldn't feel bad that i don't want you and i was like right oh and then he uses that same approach is that supposed to seem like a

moment of growth i think it's supposed to appeal to women like well look a man did this thing that we have to do because we just can't say no with our own agency because men won't accept that right like you there's no option for like she has to prove in I guess that is the position Mel's put in is like well if I'm single what can I say? Why can't I say I didn't want her? Without just rejecting someone clearly but it's different because it's like if Mel

Gibson rejected her she's not gonna attack him like something isn't like going to he's not gonna be I feel like the reason women are afraid to reject it's because of our fear of being hurt by men physically or killed right and that's why this moment is even more gross to me because i feel like it's trying to liken what we do sometimes to be safe as right oh look he's doing it it totally misses the point he's doing it

because he's a coward right because he's fearing for his safety not for the same reason. He's doing it because he's a coward, not because he's fearing for his safety. Exactly. And that's why I was like, this is, and I think that's, I think that's their underlying justification for doing something horrible to so many different people in this moment of like trying to treat homosexuality. Like it's this,

I think they were trying to be like, but look, now we're using it like how you women use it when you're not actually gay. When it's like, we don't like we don't if which if women are still doing that please don't like that's not good like just say like and I know like we do have to like our

safety is sometimes in in danger when we reject certain types of unhinged men but it's still a common thing that people do yeah i see it on the internet all the time like if you don't like the guy just tell him you're gay what but it was a thing that like i can't blame women who have done it because i'm like shit like men will kill you if you need to escape like you need to escape right but it's not right and i think that moment

for me i looked at it and i was like this is. And it's just totally played for a joke in every way of like, man, he really got away with that. And then you get the feeling he feels a little bit bad, but never enough to apologize. I mean, you know the second that interaction's over, he's just going to go to a different coffee shop, and that's it. Right. And he doesn't have to apologize to her, because he's going to apologize to the respectable woman that he cares about. So he don't got to apologize to the respectable woman that he cares about so he don't got to apologize to this other woman that he completely fucked over like not a working class person who you

like a service person. She's a wannabe actress who makes coffee which means her life is worth nothing. She's fucking silly and you don't need to respect her and she's I mean it sounds like she was told to like play dumb. Oh for sure. Because Marisa Tomei can be subtle.

She is not here. No. And she's frazzled and anxious in these moments and showing up at his house. So yeah, they tried to play her like, I think in the minds of men, the women that they toy with. Like, oh, this woman's just a dumb bimbo. It's okay if I disrespect her because she doesn't respect herself which is right so fucked up it's was that all of the sidebars i let me look through oh i just like i mean i feel like i'm missing so much i mean even just like the the list of the

like women's products that they have to figure out how to target two women yeah which are also just it reminds me of that scene in elf kind of where it's like oh the girls want dolls and like makeup kits and it's like everything that would be considered a woman's product is stuff like anti-wrinkle cream mascara lipstick like nail polish all the stuff capitalist feminist like and that's never addressed in any way of like, yeah, we need to sell these really expensive products to women because the world has taken such a concerted effort to make them seem like they need to look a certain way,

blah, blah, blah. That's just not touched on at all. It also doesn't make any sense because if we're even talking in a heteronormative society where we do force this kind of shit on women, I'm pretty sure bitches know about Great Lash. We know where to get it. If we want Great Lash, we're going to go buy it.

I don't think you have to target women with that. I think they're the demographic, right? For that and lipstick and for pantyhose. Everything in that box, women already buy. I was like, shouldn't y'all be trying to sell, I don't know, like a car engine to women or something that stereotypically women

aren't in the market for? Wouldn't that be... That would have been a challenge. A challenge? And the way that Mel Gibson interacts with these products when he's trying them on, the thing that I was like, ah, when he does the leg wax, and I just don't need any more scenes

of men. I thought of the 40-year-old virgin scene where you're like, oh, my God, waxing actually hurts. No. Like, you're just like, obviously it hurts. But his reaction to that is like, why do these women do this to themselves? And I'm like, because you would have nothing to do with them if they didn't because you're a fucking nightmare. But he does. That's not. It's just a quick joke.

It's like when men make fun of women for taking so long to get ready. And it's like, well, we only do that because you've placed such unrealistic standards of beauty on us. Right. You get to wake up and shower. You wash the crack of your ass and I'm supposed to be excited. But I got to go in the room like a fucking demolition and rip all the hair out of my follicles and fucking paint my face

and jab myself in the eye with mascara and shit what and then also the last thing in that box of women's products was a visa card because women be shopping women be shopping why did she put why she go to put that she's like and also here's a visa card just in case

you didn't know how it works yeah so women you use the visa card to buy these things like oh i got it i got it no one's good at their job no they really are not and some people's jobs i truly don't understand he has two secretaries with no thoughts, but he asks the woman with the degree to get him his coffee. Like, don't you have two secretaries with no thoughts? How many assistants do you need? What do you do? What do you do? You have 35 assistants, and they're like,

we're going to the 44th floor. What? Also, your office is big as shit. It's so big. How much bigger could it get? Oh, and don't forget the part where Sarah Paulson's boyfriend from Israel gives Mel Gibson a yarmulke. Yes. Forgot about that.

He probably took that off the set at the end of the day of shooting and then burned it or something. Because he's such a fucking piece of shit who hates Jewish people. This is still, to this day, the second highest grossing rom-com ever. Are you kidding me? To this day? That's why they're remaking the shit. They're like, well, it worked.

Yeah, the only thing that's... Oh, this is interesting. The only more successful rom-com is My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Oh, really? I love that movie. That's fascinating. What next? Right between My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Oh, really? I love that movie. That's fascinating. What next?

Right between My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Hitch. Yo, Hitch was good. We got to do an episode on Hitch. It's also bad. I got to revisit Hitch. I loved it when it came out. And I was thinking about this show, obviously, as I was watching this.

I had to two-parter it. I fell asleep last night. I had to just pause it and then watch the rest in the morning. I was just like, I can't take it. My brain was like, no, stop. It's too much. Stop assaulting me. Yeah.

But I was really trying to think of like, did women talk to each other? And that one girl did talk to herself. But that doesn't count. That doesn't count. Yeah, you would think with all the characters who we see who are women in this movie, they would interact more. But as far as I could tell. I was shocked. They only interact with male.

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, they barely interact with other men. From what I could tell, there's a bunch of scenes at the very beginning of women talking about Nick to other unnamed women who do not respond. So by no means do any of those and we never know what their names are yeah we see lola talking to her female colleague in the coffee shop about her auditioned but she the other characters is unnamed so that does not pass um alex mel gibson's daughter in the movie um talks to her mom gg mostly they talk they talk about either Cameron or Mel Gibson, but there is a two line exchange where one says,

I'm going to miss you. And the other one says, I'm going to miss you too. But she's only saying that they're going to miss each other because her mom is about to go on a hetero honeymoon with a man. So on a boat that we needed to see. Yeah, we have to. And then dina that's the character who um is starting to pitch an idea to darcy about advil but their conversation only happens in the background and it's immediately

interrupted by nick who's like wait a minute i'm a man and i have an idea so it's my turn yeah and then um darcy's assistant who's played by Arden Marine, talks to Darcy a couple times, but I don't think that character is ever named. And then Alex has a three-line exchange with a few of her friends about prom dresses, but the friends are never named. So there's just a handful of times where women do interact, but it's almost always about men or the other characters aren't named or i don't know i think the daughter mother exchange i can't this movie no i would say it's a no because especially i refuse yeah i guess by our rules that would technically pass but also it's such that's not a meaningful conversation like it's we hardly see women interacting and it is what women want is male gibson and uh and nothing else no flawed premise a flawed premise from the jump like the name of the movie what a dirty ass trick like

you're like what what yes i'm a woman i want things i'm a woman wait is this what i want i want him to dance to Frank Sinatra for five minutes. I want to watch his old man abs. I don't know. Oh, Lord Jesus. The fact that we see Mel Gibson's abs

is upsetting. Why? For so long. It was so long that I counted them and noticed how much they were on the screen. Really? Yes. I feel like when you start looking at a body part and you're like, oh, I'm looking at abs. It's like they've lingered.

They're true. And then also when he was having sex with Marissa Tomei, her thoughts went straight to, wow, he's got such a great body. I'm like, stop gaslighting me stop this she does make fun of his uh tall penis and by tall i mean small yeah oh gosh well it doesn't pass the back i don't think so either let's rate it okay um well i'm gonna go ahead and give this zero nipples. I mean, everything from the horrible way in which the romantic story plays out, the idea that women only have thoughts that are about traditionally female things, or they only have thoughts about Mel Gibson, just the way that queerness is portrayed.

Estrogen and fucking Mel Gibson. and just the way that queerness is portrayed the way the way queerness is portrayed the way that suicidality is handled the way that just everything everything is mishandled in this movie and it's like very feeble attempts to make a feminist message feminist for to the year 2000 are just do not land or hold up in any sort of way today. And I don't even know that they would have in that year either. Really offensive on every level. Just horribly done in every single way. So it's another example of, you know, media that is, you know, created and directed and

co-written by women that really fucking misses the mark. But as we have all admitted earlier in this episode, you know, we're growing. We all, as people, are continuing to wake up. So hopefully Nancy Meyers is doing that also. Oh, gosh. Nancy, wake up, sis. Yeah, it's not too late.

It's not too late. It's not too late. Stop hitting snooze. Join us, please. So yeah, this is a piece of shit movie and it gets zero nipples. Yeah, I'm the same. Zero nipples.

Just a fucking disaster on every level. The fact that it was so popular just means that, yeah, we gotta keep questioning stuff just because the movie says, hey, this is what you want don't don't you don't have to agree you don't have to agree it's okay you don't have to see the movie uh you know i god i the only thing i'm grateful for is this movie i mean i guess it is being

remade but like it doesn't seem to have much of a following or a legacy anymore, especially for a movie that was this popular. Like it made more money than pretty woman, but there's like movies like that will still have a fan base. And yeah, like it's not, not everything about every rom-com that was successful in this era, uh, is completely abhorrent the way this is.

So yeah, zero it's, it's the worst. And Mel Gibson is ugly. He sucks so fucking bad. What a piece of shit. Zero. Anyway. I'll give it one cat nipple.

Oh! Can't be a human nipple because this movie's really inhumane. I remember this movie from my childhood and I remember, like, I guess... Oh, I don't even know how I enjoyed it I was nine so you know Lacey I'm not gonna

I think the nostalgic nine year old to me is like you can have like an animal nipple you know why this is why because there's so many women that I love in this movie they're not utilized at all but I do love seeing them and I'm an actor so sometimes I look at stuff and

I'm like oh girl but you got that chick though. Thanks Nancy for getting a bunch of women paid at least a support and role SAG rate. But unfortunately this movie can have no real lady nipples at all because it's so fucking abhorrent

i didn't even realize until we started breaking down that merce tome gay scene how disturbed it is yes on so many different levels it's just this is bad guys yeah i don't want this and i'm a woman yeah i don't want it please ask any woman today if this is what they wanted. And I guess we should have known because you called the movie What Women Want, but you didn't call none of us beforehand. Like, hey, what do you want? This is what you want. You just decided this is what you wanted.

I think the remake should also be called What Women Want because this time it's at least a woman who's the protagonist of the story. And we will get a sense of what she wants. But hearing men's thoughts just seems like a hell. Like real hell. Like I think they tried to make this. I think your boyfriend has on to something about this maybe being Mel Gibson's hell in this movie. But it's not a fair flip because hearing men's thoughts really would be my own personal hell. I don't want to know what they're thinking.

They're already doing too much with their face and their eyes and their mouth. And their actual words. Some men are allowed to say whatever they want. Right. So we know what they're thinking. I'm like, who wants to know what a fucking cat caller's thinking? Hey, blue sweater, nice ass. What else is back there?

I don't want to know. I don't. Right. What they're saying is going through a little bit of a filter so like what is what is not unfiltered yeah it's i don't want to know well we'll see this was a trial yes thank you for joining us sorry that we keep making you watch these upsetting movies this is two hours so long but thank you so much for being here thank you for having me we love you dearly

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