The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - 12 Days of The Bachelorette: The Morning After

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette has finally arrived! Now that the first impressions have been made, Ben and Ashley have some thoughts!Find out who shocked Ben and Ashley after being sent home, and hear their predictions for the rest of the season!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bachelorette. Ashley, how pumped are you to be back in season now officially? Oh, it's so fun to have something to concretely talk about. It is. It's great. We've had a lot of fun in the off season. A lot of stuff happening in Bachelor Nation. Not as many changes as maybe the off season before. You mean the last year? Yeah, there's a lot of changes then. But now we're back talking about this season, I have a feeling, actually, before we do this podcast, I always get on Twitter and try to get the, the, like, very non-scientific vibe of what Bachelor Nation is feeling. I will say this to kick us off. I think they really like Gabby and Rachel a lot.

I think so, too. I'm so excited for everyone. Yeah, and I think they're going to like that. Like, this isn't a, I don't even know what season it would be where we, like, start out really liking the lead. And then as the season goes on, we kind of are like, you know, eh, we don't like them as much now. I think Gabby and Rachel are only going to continue to shine throughout the season. Yeah, when you, like, look up stuff, even on, like, message boards, people seem to always be positive about them.

There's, like, not a lot of hate out there, not a lot of criticism. I mean, I don't want to say hate, but criticism. And I think that we had people come to Audrey yesterday for a watch party. It was a packed house and I had already watched the episode I was getting some work done in the back room when the episode was actually airing

when people are mingling about before the episode, of course I'm out there, but I was listening to the crowd reaction and they loved the episode. They were just, they were so vocal and they were laughing and it was totally different than the Clayton season.

The Clayton season we got more like, oh, no. But with this, we got a lot of laughter, a lot of like cheering. It was awesome. Yeah, I think it's going to continue to be well followed. That is interesting. Ashley, your watch party, do people watch it or is it just on the background and people aren't engaged or are they very engaged?

No, that's like it's really cool. I thought, oh, we're going to have a watch party. It's like an excuse for people to mingle. They're not going to ever pay attention to the episode. And then they're going to have to go home and watch it. But not at all. So we do like, I like go around the room before the show and then after the show, Jared and I do like a little meet and greet mingle. And we do like Q&A during like an intermission and like

towards the end. But like people are glued into the show the entire time. It's really, it's nice. Really nice. They're totally engaged. That is nice. Now here's the weird part, Ashley. Something interesting to consider. The ratings have just came out as of 27 minutes ago. Holy crap, only. So. Oh, God, Ben, the suspense. Making even more suspense all than you already are. It is crazy to think this. Season 18, so last season of ABC's Bachelor, averaged a 0.65 rating in the 18 to 49 demographic and 2.8.9 million. viewers. That's last season. Okay. 2.89 million. Two million.

Two million. Yeah. 2 million. Okay. 800,000. Okay. For Michelle's. For Michelle's. Okay. And? Last night in the 18 to 49 demo,

it was down 24% with 2.7 million viewers, which is a total of being down 9% from last year's premiere. what was the number the million number two point seven million two point seven million versus two point nine yeah is that interesting i did not expect that i really thought neither that last night was going to be a massive home run now i think it still won the evening i think it still was the highest watch show on network television however um people maybe aren't tuning in night of that could still be a thing maybe uh when the streaming uh numbers come out they're going to see that people tuned in tonight or tomorrow uh but yeah uh it's down which is shocking

to me as we get started i think it's going to be a great season i will say right now i think people should watch this season if they're at all a fan of the franchise and they're looking for maybe that kind of throwback old school feel where the contestants uh So far, haven't added a lot of drama. The Bachelorettes are incredible leads. I think this is going to have a great feel. But as far as we know right now, people didn't tune in. And so we're going to have to wait and see that doesn't change our excitement for this season.

It doesn't change our excitement to break down this episode. We have a whole lot to break down. And so let's start, Ashley, with the introduction of the two bachelorets. you mentioned during the 12 days of celebration that you felt like we were having a hard time as viewers connecting with the leads over the last few seasons. Did you feel like the show did a good job last night helping us connect and root for Gabby and Rachel?

I feel like Gabby and Rachel are our friends. I definitely feel like we know them. They're like our gal pals. Yeah. And again, I want to reiterate, I feel like we've gotten that sense of unknowing more so with The Bachelor's and Bachelor because, like, I, I feel pretty friendly with Michelle and Katie, too,

even though I don't know them both personally very well. I would say the same thing. I think The Bachelor needs a great season. I didn't, and just as a side note, I didn't see last night, it's too early on, any guys that stood out as like, that's going to be the next Bachelor. Like, that looks like The Bachelor to me. I think there should be some guys in the weeks two and three that really shine

and shows who they are, and we're going, oh, yeah, that makes sense now. Last night, I just didn't get the next to, that feeling, which is great, because it was very focused on Gabby and Rachel. Best part of the episode to me was right off the beginning. Can you guess what it was? I'll just tell you right now. Yeah, I don't want to guess. The so amazing missed belly bump that both of them did when they saw each other after Rachel landed in L.A. in her plane and Gabby went to pick her up. And they like belly bump each other, but like one of them didn't really get off the ground. The other one kind of did,

and they kind of just like missed each other and then fell backwards. I was like, I like these girls. These girls, these are real girls who are just here to have a good time and to try to figure out if this thing can work. And that's when I was like, I am cheering for them from now until the end. Yeah, I agree. You know what makes me laugh? When Gabby's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like she said yesterday in our interview, and if you did not listen to our interview with Gabby and Rachel, we encourage you to go back and listen to that. That aired last night at 9 p.m. We had both leads on. Gabby admitted that Rachel puts words to thoughts and that Gabby just likes to stand there and kind of say, yeah, because Rachel has the words. And I think that's great. Good for them. I love that. That's like us, Ben. You're like blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah. Well, sometimes you have to have a great partner and you balance each other out. And I think they're going to balance each other out really well.

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Okay, so that leads us into the second segment of the episode, Ashley, and I want to hear your thoughts on this. The men were filmed watching kind of the announcement of the two bachelorets. We kind of had a behind-the-scenes look at them watching with their families or in their hotel rooms. What did you think of that little segment? Okay, I liked the segment that felt like draft day. Like they were sitting there waiting for their names to be called, right? Everybody was so excited when the two were announced, and it did seem like real genuine an excitement that they were getting two bachelorets and the two bachelorets were who they were.

Really, really adorable, actually. What I don't remember now, like, now that I'm like 24 hours removed from watching the episode, there is no package, no guy package that really stood with me as being like, oh, that's one. There wasn't really, was there? Did they even, like, have packages? We didn't have packages. Oh, okay. We didn't have packages.

That's why I don't remember, guys. That's why I don't remember. But we did get like little intros, little, little here or theirs, right? Yeah. I will tell you this. I'm not. I don't remember intros. Yeah.

I kind of enjoy two things that happened last night. One, none of these guys were introduced to us months ago at some live show. I'm over that. That was just weird. It didn't make any sense. I felt like it kind of set them up to be front runners early on, even though a lot of them never lasted past the, you know, past earlier on. But it was just, it was just awkward.

And it didn't really make sense to me. The second is I can go without the packages. I mean, um, apparently we definitely can go without the packages. I just, though, there are some packages in the past that do stand out to me. You do get to go to know the guys a little better, some of them from these packages. But oftentimes, if you've noticed recently, and tell me if you think I'm crazy, a lot of the packages have included people that just don't last very long. we waste the half of the episode watching a bunch of dudes who we don't watch past night one.

So, so true. Yeah. Because really, the producers don't know when they go and they pick, you know, they pick like a third of people to go meet in their hometown. They don't know who's going to really last. No. You can just use their best guess. Yeah. So I'm okay trying without it. I mean, I do think some of them are important. I remember the Tyler Cameron package where he's like shirtless dancing around in some house that he was building back. then. And I was like, what? That dude's like about, like, he's like a professional dancer. Like, well, how's this going to play out? He's so like agile. Yeah, that was the beginning of like his Patrick Swayze vibe. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, that sticks with me. I remember that

that package. But for the most part, they're pretty forgettable. And so we just got the behind the scenes of them getting excited about the announcement. Probably one of those reasons. And I think we're going to have this all season. One of the reasons I'm excited, uh, they probably cut packages because they're going to have so much content to show that we don't need any filler space. Like, we don't need those random kind of segments that don't make a lot of sense for the season. I bet we have less B-roll this season than ever where people are walking around the cities. I bet we have still beautiful pictures of the landscape, but I think we just have a lot of content to get through. I mean, we saw it with Gabby and Rachel.

They said it yesterday. They barely got to talk to anybody. They talked to half of the people on night one. because I think it's going to... That's wild. It's wild. I talked to every single person. Every single person and I had spoken on my night one, not because it was something that, I mean, I wanted to do that, obviously.

I think everybody wants to do that. But it was just part of it. Like, you were able to do it because there wasn't so many. They only got the half. I think Chris, I think Chris Solz maybe didn't talk to like four or five of the girls. But out of, I think we had 30, that's a huge chunk. And the fact that, like, they said collectively they only got through half is so crazy. I don't know why that is.

There had to be more going on behind the scenes. I bet they had more time Rachel and Gabby talking, like on the side that they were filming. Because if two of them, like, between the two of them, you would think they would be able to get to everybody. Yeah. Yeah. You would think that you know, the guys may not have talked to both. Yeah. I don't know.

So, okay. So we get tonight one. Now, Ashley, we are at the mansion. The guys are going to be pulling up. They're getting excited. What are your thoughts now in this moment as you're watching the episode? Are you excited? Are you anxious? Do you feel like you're watching The Bachelorette again? Or do you feel like this is kind of some spinoff show? Because they're two Bachelorettes. Oh, I feel like I'm watching The Bachelorette. There are two things that really stand out to me about, like, this section of the episode. One, why did Gabby get the much better dress? Good question. Do you feel like, like, I feel like, come, I wanted to almost ask them yesterday, but I was

like, no, I'm not going to say that to Rachel. Like, that's sad. Like, of course not. But, like, Gabby gets this va, va, voom, boom dress. And then Rachel's, like, covered up to her neck. I don't know. It just wasn't a fan of that dress. And I just thought that, like, one was such a, like, a stunner, interesting, unique dress.

And I think it says a lot. I think, like, it actually, like, something like that, well, it seems vain and surface level. I think it, in a moment where the two of them are standing next to each other, they need to have comparable dresses. Yeah. Here's the truth. I didn't even realize this. I don't even remember what dresses either of them were wearing. But I'm glad you bring that out.

Now, I imagine, Ashley, at least in my scenario, they picked their dress. Of course. You're probably right. There was definitely a say. It wasn't like Carrie, the stylist, was like, you're going to wear this and you're going to wear that. I'm sure that they had both a selection to choose from. And I'm not saying that, like, obviously Rachel's dress is pretty.

just like, Gabby's dress was so sexy and so like interesting. And then there was just like, blah. Let me know people. Am I being mean or do you totally understand what I'm saying? No, I don't think it's mean. I think it's a fair opinion. I wonder, though, if we go one step further and say, okay, if they got to pick their dresses, is this a part of showing who they are their personality is? Yeah. That, you know, Gabby felt more comfortable on night one, you know in that dress and kind of you know showing who she is and then rachel said no i want this dress to show who i am and that's just kind of their unique personalities look at you ben side by side i love the way you think well no i mean because it is you know um rachel is definitely

more reserved she um is like less sex forward you know what i mean gabby's like talking about she's like it hasn't been a year since I've had sex and she's like talking about making out all that and we wouldn't we wouldn't see that from Rachel yeah actually that's a great point so it's a good parallel something to watch throughout the season now is their two personalities kind of shining uniquely amongst each other okay so the guys pull up to the mansion Ashley I think um for just sake of simplicity here on this podcast let's go through some of the intros that stood out to you, which ones are memorable to you, which ones are forgettable for you, which ones are also maybe memorable, but a tad, I don't want to say awkward, but

maybe unattractive for you. Let's go through some of those intros. You lead us along here. Okay. And I just want to make my second point was that I noticed that the guys would hug Gabby or look at Gabby first. And I don't even know that that's really an attraction thing. because I think both girls are so gorgeous. I think it might be like an open thing. Like Gabby might be like a little bit more like outgoing. Yeah, I also, I thought about this. Because I remember my night one on The Bachelorette

and having two Bacheloretts there. And I remember sitting in the limo right before I walked out. And I asked the producer, Todd, who was sitting right across from me. I said, which one do I say hi to first? Like is there a, I mean, this is my night. one. I have no training in TV or how this camera stuff works. So I was like, is there a formula, all right, on how you want to do? He goes, no, you say hi to whichever one you want. And that made me more nervous because I was like, well, crap, I'm going to lose either way here.

And so I just said hi to the person on the right first because it's kind of like, it felt like, I don't know, I'm typically in life swayed to go to the right. You know, if there's two options right or left, I'm going to go right. It just feels. Interesting. See, I would go left because it's like how you read, left to right. Fair. So I I think it was, I think it's maybe just a comfort thing. I don't, in that moment, Ashley, you know this. And listeners, you've heard us say this. That is not a thought through moment.

It's not. You are black, like you are so nervous. Like, everything goes blurry. You're just trying to walk the 50 feet to get to them, not make a fool of yourself, say your name and get out of there so that you can get some, like, comfort. That is, there is no, there's very few people that confidently have that moment down pat and they do it like with a thoughtful

action. I mean, that's why I'm always impressed with these dudes who have like lines and poems and huge entrances. Like you guys are crazy. Like I literally couldn't walk even. I was so nervous. I was thinking, I want to make a point to say, talk to a producer and they said they were very like they made it be an important thing that the girls were together during that intro and not separate like Caitlin and Britt

because with Caitlin and Britt I mean that's just setting them up to actually be competing directly against each other and they wanted it to be like a united front that's good Hi my name is Enya Umanzor and I'm Drew Phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. this is like the first season where I wasn't really turned off by any intro. Like, I can't think of one that I was like, oh, that was gross. Really? Um, wait, does one throw out come up to you as being gross? Not maybe. Which one? I thought it was, I had a big, like, a lot of, a big issue.

Or not a big issue. Like, I'm not like thinking, I didn't like lose sleep over it. Oh, I know. No, I'm stupid. I thought the choir. I thought the choir was in. I thought it was inappropriate for Clayton. I mean, this dude, like, he was just trying to go through this process.

I know people maybe aren't the biggest fans of Clayton, but he showed himself to now be a very committed boyfriend to Susie, and he's, you know, worked his way out of this. You know, obviously his name's going to be brought up because he was just the last season. That's expected. But I thought to have a choir sing a hateful song about any human. One is just hard to watch. And two, it was kids.

Like, you're kids doing this. If it was an adult choir, I'm like, whatever, that was just goofy. But you're going to have a bunch of kids spew hate in a song about another man as you get out of a limo for me. I was over it for the moment it started. And I think it was something that I said, I don't know where this came from. I don't know where this was born from. But I did not enjoy it. And I did.

I thought it was one of the worst entrances I've ever seen on the show. I apologize for that not coming to my mind. When you said the word gross, I was thinking more like gross humor.

But yeah, I already talked about on the Gabby and Rachel episode yesterday, how I thought that was just really, really distasteful. Yeah, wow. But whose entrance was it?

That's what's weird. We think of the chorus, but we have no idea, or at least I have no idea, who came out to that. Yeah, you're right, Ashley, because it's forgettable because we remember the choir. We don't remember the person stepping out because we're all probably so consumed with the choir. But it was Alec who got out of the limo at that moment and kind of walked forward. Again, can't fully blame him because I don't think he wrote that song. And I also don't think he had hired this choir.

But I will say this, no matter what the plans was, he agreed to. to it. And I think that's what we, he agreed to have that be his entrance. And I think for that, we need to go, ah, come on. There's got to be more to this story than what we see then. I agree. Then there was Roby, uh, who did the card trick. And hey, I know Roby is a little bit off and that he got eliminated in this episode, but you get me with the car trick. Oh, I loved Roby. I thought Roby, I'm shocked Roby went home because I think Roby is probably one of the, he won he'd be super entertaining in the house where there's nothing to do

because there are cards that you can play two he seemed very kind and very nice now he's nervous sure everybody is maybe he's not as smooth as some of the other guys are he couldn't hide his nerves as much

that's okay too I liked Roby I don't know if he was meant to marry either of them but I sure as hell wanted to see more of him I wanted to watch him for a few weeks at the least Do you think that his name is actually Roby, or is it Robbie and he likes to be interesting?

Well, that's a good question. I don't know. I want to imagine his name's Robbie and he wants to be interesting. I like that more. I mean, he just seems like the type of guy, Ashley, that if he was here two or three weeks, one, he'd be a fan favorite. Two, he would do and people in the house would love him. And then three, he would shine in paradise. I'm not maybe saying romantically. I'm just saying that he's like he would become one of those people in Bachelor Nation that people just love to meet and be around because he's entertaining. painting and he's he's intriguing uh i think there's a lot more to roby than what we saw i was shocked i guess in short i was shocked to go home okay that's enough about roby he did the card trick he went home we won't hear about him again maybe impaired us i don't know if he's there but what other intros were really kind of that stood out to you okay i won't say it was like a specific one but i will say the first like five or ten minutes of intros maybe the first five guys that come out of the limo, I'm like impressed by. I'm like cute, cute and nice seeming, cute and well put together, like all that. And I feel like it's been a while since we had a season where it was like,

ah, good catch. Oh, this could be a good group, you know? And that was the vibe that I got with that first limo or so. I would say the same thing. I really think the first intro that threw me off, you know, and I... The first intro threw you off? No, the first intro that did throw me off. All of them originally were like how intros, I believe, should be done. They should just be an intro. Like, I'm here. I'm excited to talk to you. You look beautiful. All right, see you later, kind of thing. Yeah. It was the guy, and I imagine if I could see myself doing this, trying to say it with the best of intentions, and then going to bed that night and banging my head against the pillow being like, you were such an idiot. You were so awkward.

Why can't you be smoother? That was my dating life. It's fun to be married and give that up. So fun, isn't it? That's so great. But is the guy that came up and was like, I haven't had sex in a year and a half. Oh, my God, yes.

I thought that was so weird. You're right. That was the first one that, like, I'm watching casual. You know, like, I'm watching. I'm watching casually. And then, like, all of a sudden, I haven't had sex in a year.

And then you, like, perk up. And you're like, what was that? Like, what was the point? I mean, he didn't, and I imagine he was like, in his mind, he was like, okay, I'm going to tell them that I've been really excited for this, and I'm super committed to this, and I've saved myself for a year and a half to meet you all. Well, one, he didn't know he was going to be on the show for a year and a half. So there's like a year there where he has to explain what he was waiting on. And two, all he said then was, I've had sex in a year and a half because

I've been waiting for you two. And then it was like an awkward silence and gals. Abby, even when he walks away, goes, well, that makes one of us. And I thought that was amazing. Like, I thought she's so good. So funny. But weird, right? Like, that was awkward. That was not like, there was no point.

It was like he was missing a point. Like, the producers definitely like, we're like, well, what could we talk about that's really interesting about you? And then he said that. And then they, like, probably came up with, like, this, something that would, like, come to a point, like, a meaning. And then, like, he totally missed it or just, like, didn't deliver it with a confidence that he should have. I don't actually think that there's really anything you could, I think that was

a bad move to say in general. That's just weird. It's your first meeting. Like if I'm, your first meeting. Yeah, like, what if I go on a blind date? Okay. Yeah. I sit down to the table. I said, I'm so excited to meet you tonight. I haven't had sex in a year and a half. Like, that's weird. That's weird. You're opening line at a bar. That's what you have to think of this as. Hey, I'm a good guy. I want you. to know that, like, I'm not a player. I've had sex in a year and a half. Like, any girl is going to be like, well, I mean, that's tight. Like, tell me more. This is from Ben Higgins. He was so openly, you know, went without for a long time. Yeah, my wife and I saved herself for marriage

with each other, obviously, uh, because on national television, you know, I admitted the, the opposite. But Jessica and I were together for three years. It wasn't, it's something we've talked about many times. But, like, that was not Jessica's opening line to me. Okay, sorry. You know? Like, it is it. She didn't come, like, we didn't have our first date and she's like, hey, you know, by the way, I've been, I'm super excited to be here tonight, just let you know, I've had sex and, you know, my lifetime. I'm like, no, that took a few dates. It took some like, hey, tell me about yourself to me what's important to you kind of conversations. Anyways, it was weird to me.

That threw me off. Any other stood out to you, Ashley, in terms of entrances? Jacob on the horse, when the girls were like, it's Fabio, it's Fabio. I mean, it's pretty classic. Guys, Jack. Massive pecks on the dude. I mean, really poked out there. And he was all oily, of course.

That was good. Yeah. And then there was Tino. And his entrance to me felt like that classic, ah, he's it entrance that we get. It was like a Jordan Rogers. It was like a Sean Booth. It was like, that's the moment. It was the moment for one of them.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be Rachel. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was like he was confident. He's obviously good looking. It was smooth. But again, it was very simple. It was, hey, I'm here for you.

or you two or whoever you know he was there for the beginning and he walks in and from that you can kind of just see the spark now I also have a theory Ashley the music changed when he got out of the limo oh really yeah so I think we remember like we have a little like thought uh in the back of our minds about him because the music supported his entrance they love that they like add the music so it's like okay now you're going to feel this for this guy and then it's going to go away and he's going to stand out in your heart. It's just like, you know how smells get you? Like they jog your nostalgia.

That music will do the same thing. Definitely. And it's such a cool little mental trick. Yeah. Yeah. If I was a contestant now, my only request of the show would be make sure it's always really good music behind me. Mine was never. Yeah, people

Mine was always do, do, do, do, do, do. Oh, man. Okay, so, Ashley, The entrances are done. We've gone through the ones that stood out to us. It is now time for Rachel and Gabby, as they say, to divide and conquer and talk to all 32 men who have walked through that door. The opening speech, in my opinion, was great. It was what was needed. It was special. The two of them together doing it. Again, we get a sense of support that the two of them have for each other. I think that's going to be a theme throughout the season. I also,

after talking to Jesse last week on the podcast, I'm not fully convinced that the show expected such support. Like this could have gone very poorly where the two women do get jealous and envious and they collide. But I think Gabby and Rachel are so great that the show got really lucky and the two of them really do go through this whole season supporting each other. And I don't know if the show, I think once they met Gabby and Rachel, they're like, yeah, these two people will be great. But I think the show it could have really backfired on them if they didn't have that kind of strength within each other. Well, like I said yesterday, it's like you girls are like so good. Like you are good quality people. You're far better than me. You guys were encouraging each other

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So I'll start there. One with the race car driver Jordan. Love that convo. He surprised her. He surprised her. surprised us all. I think he kind of looks like a baby. He's a race car driver and just like something about him getting out of the limo. What do you mean looks like a baby? He kind of looks like a little babe. Oh, a little babe. You know what I think? You know, he's like, do you find him good looking? Yeah. Okay. For sure, do you? Yeah. I mean, I think he's a good looking dude. I think he's one of the better looking guys. Like, I definitely have my eye on him if I follow with the girls. I think he stood out to me if we'd have to listen back, but he was in some of my

like guys to look out for in a good way before the season started um and he's a race car driver everyone that's it's just cool he he i guess there's like a sense of young to me um and i was like oh i don't know if like the girls are going to be like down for like the young vibe but he like he had like swag and like a sweetness and i felt like uh definitely some sexual tension between the two of them when they were going around the car really like that moment of course really liked her moment with Tino that was great at the stairs so cute and then after she gave him the first impression Rose loved that moment between the two of them too like if you look at the scenes to the next episodes it's her making out with Tino like every spot in

the world well I mean that's kind of tight yeah yeah that sounds fun you know who the race car driver kind of looks like to me Jeff home no oh come on Ryan Philippi. Oh, you know I love Ryan Filby so much. Holy shit. Does he kind of look like him? I love Ryan Filipy. Yes. Yes. There is yes. See? A permanent

youth. You know what? Ryan Philippe is like 47. Yeah, he looks like he's 22. I know. Good for him. Oh, my God. He talked about swag and sexuality. Don't get started with Rod Filby. Ashley's shifting in her seat. She's all bothered.

Oh my gosh. Okay. So then there was one other guy for Rachel that I was really feeling her with. Does anybody come to your mind for her? Avin. Yeah, Avin. That was so, I like their convo. So cute.

Like, there's some great guys. He's going to be around a while. He's kind of like on the Tino level. Maybe night one he didn't kind of stand out as much because he didn't have that unique like staircase kind of moment. But I think Avin is, uh, I just think. he's going to be around a while i think he's kind of both of their types in a lot of way and he seemed um just even like from his facial expressions you know which is all you have to go off of really on night one around the other guys he just kind of seems like that guy that one people like um i do say

i will say you know the tinos of the world who get the first impression rose make me nervous because we kind of get built up liking this contestant and then uh over the last few seasons and sometimes they disappoint us or we aren't sold out on them. However, Tino, and this was such a small line that he said, but it's awkward to get the first impression rose. I remember kind of when I was in that house and Sean got the first impression rose and he walked back in and he sat down and like, you can't really help it, but you're jealous, you're angry, you're like, you know, could have been me. And Tino walks into the room and he goes, all right, guys, I'm to sit here so you can all get like angry at me or said something like that and it like made it

a joke and then all of them kind of laughed like he knew it was going to be awkward and he confronted it and he kind of did it in a humble way and I was like I think this dude might be legit like I don't think he's going to disappoint us because he had the social awareness to recognize how uncomfortable it was from to come back into the room and he also had the confidence to speak it out loud to the whole group and as a result I have a feeling that will continue for the rest of the season unlike some who get the first impression rose you kind of sit down and we hear him like in the ITM being like look at this yeah i got the first impression you know that kind of stuff yeah yeah agreed and then there's mario who got gabby's first impression rose i didn't feel as much between them as i did between

rachel and tino what about you well i mean i think it was a i think it was a good moment they were both wanting somebody to kiss them uh the race car driver really missed the boat there on that one i I think he had a great shot of first impression as if he just would have, you know, leaned in. However, it's night one. And you don't know, you know, what's appropriate and what's not. I would have thought no kissing on night one if I, especially at the time that we were on the show, kissing on night one was not a norm. Not a norm.

And now it is. Yeah. But, you know, I think there is when you do kiss somebody, there is this level of I like you, I'm attracted to you kind of feeling. So it is comfortable to do, but it's still uncomfortable to do because it's night one. You've just met them and you know that they're meeting a lot of people. So anyways, the Mario kiss, like, that was just like an awkward kiss to me. Okay, same.

Watching it was like, whoa, like they kind of went like nose to nose for a bit. Gabby said it was a good kiss. She was like, I really vibed that. And I was like, oh, really? Because it didn't look the best to watch. I'm sure there was more to it than what we saw. But they did go nose to nose for a bit, which is always uncomfortable. And they didn't really get out of the nose.

the nose angle for a few seconds there, which kind of was hard to watch. I get really uncomfortable when people kiss on this show, so I have a hard time watching it. But I did feel like his assertiveness and his ability to take that step. And just his question asking made me say, okay, there's something here. Maybe we don't have the spark like we think we have with Tina and Rachel, but we have something there. So I wasn't shocked that he got to first impression rose really um okay i did i did and i want to hear you know this is obviously something that is is really cool but unlike when you watch a show in the past every guy in least that i remember last night asked for permission to kiss them i like that for night one yeah for night one

that's cool because you literally have had a 10 minute conversation and you're like can i test the waters yeah i thought it was i thought that was like yeah if that was like yeah if that was like on a nine-hour date, I'd be like, you don't have to do that. Well, yeah. I mean, once there's, like, chemistry and there's a relationship built, then, like, you know, maybe you don't have to ask every time for permission. But I did find it respectful and something unique that every guy, at least that I remember, that asked, like, that wanted to kiss them, asked them permission first.

Mm-hmm. Then there was Eric who kissed Gabby, but did not kiss Rachel, but had a good moment with both of them. Lots of laughter, good chemistry between the two. I thought he was going to go from Gabby and kiss her and immediately go kiss Rachel. And then we would have had a nice little conversation on our hands. But that is not how it went. He was probably smart in not doing that. But he was definitely a little hurt at the fact that he didn't get one of their first impression roses.

And thinking back, I do feel like Gabby had more of a chemistry, like a natural ease with him than she did with Mario, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, we got to see a lot more of the conversation with Eric. I wondered if he was going to kiss both. Now that we know how comfortable the two of them are in this scenario, I wonder what would have gone on if they would have said, I kissed Eric. Oh, I kissed Eric. And I thought it was very wise of him. Not that he didn't want to kiss Rachel, but I thought it was very wise of him to be like, hey,

night one, like, let's see how this thing plays out because you don't want to be that guy. I just don't think you do. It might work out for you. It might be a fine thing. I think he's a frontrunner here, but you just don't want to be that guy in the back of your mind that has kissed both leads on night one.

I had preconceived notions about Eric from his picture that was, you know, shown. People think he looks like a Nick Viol. Yeah. And after kind of hearing him talk to both and hearing his ITMs, I was a lot more in favor of Eric. I think he had a good head on his shoulders. I thought he was not as maybe cocky as I assumed he was going to be.

See, I think he's cocky. Really? Okay. I think he's going to end up being cocky. That could still happen. There was just subtle signs to me that he was like, ugh, and I get Bruce and Fresh and Rose. Yeah. Well, is it Eric or Ethan that had the conversation about the chest hair?

Because I thought that's when I really liked that person, too, was one of them had a conversation about chest hair. And his line so quickly to Gabby was, do you shave your chest hair? And I thought that's hilarious. I thought it was great. That is hilarious. Yeah. And I don't know. I think, I thought it was a good first, like, funny, lighthearted conversation and a great first, like, line knowing Gabby's personality that she was going to. enjoy that like kind of humor uh so was that logan no it was one of the it was one of it was either eric he was one of the guys it was one of the guys but whoever did it i think i like them a lot too okay there's there's one other one other guy that i think stood out and that's ryan from boston yeah he made gabby laugh a lot yeah you said that you thought gabby really liked him you don't think so no i i don't not think so i don't i don't think i don't think i don't think i felt

it as maybe as clearly as you did but yeah the laughter was uh important um and i think i'd only add one person of this list it's hayden i thought hayden was kind of quietly in the mix yeah all night um yes he was i thought he kind of uh was kind of the like quiet underdog who i believe we're going to get to see a lot more of this season he from florida yeah uh There's one from Florida that was like, that Rachel was like, oh, my brother lives in Tampa, and you just think there was something there. Yeah, it might have been him. But those are the guys that stood out to us on night one. The guys that kind of may, that we'll be watching now, again, as it hard as it is for Gabby and Rachel to understand and know these guys names, it's even harder for us.

We won't remember them until probably week five. Come on now. You don't remember them either. Yeah. But it's the guys and you know what they were talking about and you know the vibe of the moment. Okay. so we talked about the first impression rose, Mario and Tino get the first impression rose. Tino from Rachel. Mario got his from Gabby. They're moving on, which brings us into the

final part of the show. One quick note as we go into the Rose ceremony that did not exist, was that I really became a bigger fan of Rachel after she admitted her fear of clowns, which is my fear and which would be my answer if I was sitting in that moment. Clowns are weird to me. I don't know why they exist and I don't know what they're good for. Oh, it's like a, it's like a twice a year conversation that brings up the fear of clowns. It doesn't make any sense. It's so, they are horrible. I don't understand as well why they exist, especially in 2022.

Yeah, they're weird. So, uh, kudos to Rachel for being honest and to speaking on behalf of all of us who have a fear of clowns. Okay. Uh, well, we know that the Rose ceremony now gets canceled and that Gabby and Rachel send home three people and three people only. The twins, let's start there, shocking in some ways that they went home. You guys, I thought that they were going to be like Pete Davidson twins from Staten Island

based on their pictures. And I thought that they were going to be like BDE, you know, and I thought they were going to be a funny comedy duo together. I don't know. I guess I just literally thought that they're going to show up like Pete Davidson. And they were the opposite of Pete Davidson. They were basically just like guys. of college that were still like into talking about college yeah and they were really stale they were

the opposite of what I was expecting it was just like hanging out with two guys that uh yeah it's like you know I don't know this is like the most this is like the most Ashley comment ever Ben put yourself back in the day when you used to like go on vacation with your family and you'd like scour for like girls to like kind of hang out with with the for the week heck yeah you you relate no yeah oh yeah okay great so my sister and i would go around and do this like on a cruise right it's like almost like you're interviewing like boyfriends for the week yeah and then you'd sit down with these two and you'd be like oh they were okay to hang out with like for an hour but like we're not going to hang out with them for the rest of the week well it's weird too because they were i think two most followed people on

social media going into this season. So my expectation was, okay, they're doing this and they're going to become kind of celebrities from the show but off the show and they're going to use this to increase their following and they're whatever. So they're going to be around a while. For the two of them

to go home on night one was a little shocking because they are good looking and they are twins and there is something to that. I don't know what is to that now after kind of being a part of the Ferguson twins on my season. It was hard. You know, they were both really incredible and so i wanted them both around they were both unique in their own ways but it got

weird after a while because it felt like then just in that environment when the groups hanging out together like they sat next to each other because they're comfortable with each other and they're already friends with each other and they know each other and then you go on dates and if the two of them are there it's weird and it's hard to kind of separate which ones who uh and it yeah I don't know what storyline, I guess, could have existed unless they kind of split off in one day to one and one day to the other. But yeah, they went home. But I do think it was shocking for most people because I think after they showed up, people

thought, hey, they'll be around a while. And the conversation, like Gabby's facial expressions are in that conversation where she kind of sat in the middle and one sit on one side and the other felt like, there's no way these guys are around. Like there's no way this is who she's like going to try to date long term. Yeah, I have to say that I. late because when my sister came to paradise, as much as I loved having her as like that emotional crutch, it was not good for me. Like I just was going to hang out with her and stick by her side

and not go and meet new people. It was just, it was bad. Also, just think I should add that it is crazy the fact that like we get to, we get a set of guy twins for the first time, right? Just like the Ferguson twins. And it seems like, oh, it's like revolutionary. And then for them to be like that is weird. Like, for them to be eliminated, Night 1 is super crazy. Like, could we find, yeah. Could we found some, like, more dynamic twins? Well, I think the casting department probably thought they had a home run by finding two

good looking guy twins to come on the show and agree to come on the show. And then the cast department's watching Night 1's episode. And they're like, you've got to be kidding me. Like, we worked so hard for this moment, for years. This was our, this is our big get. And now they're gone. I'm sure they're upset. You know, it's hard, Ashley, if we're both honest, to have too much of a judgment on night one

because it is such a weird environment. There are a lot of nerves. There's a lot of anxiety. Some people flourish in it. Some people don't. And it takes them weeks to kind of come out of their shell and actually show off who they are and what they stand for. And so, yes, the two of them didn't shine on night one.

It doesn't mean, I mean, they have a social media following. Maybe they're more comfortable kind of behind that. but they just didn't show up. Are they funny on social media? Did you look this up? I think they did dance. I don't know. I think it's like TikTok.

TikTok dancers. Well, the other person that went home was somebody that did show up to night one. And he showed up well. And he's a memorable character from night one. He showed up well. Yeah. Robbie. I like Robbie.

I want to date you, A. But like well to us as an audience. I liked Roby. I thought that dude had something to him that we needed to see more of, and I hope we can see more of it. I liked Roby. I thought he had confidence. I thought he put on a tux that he played the part. Yes, he was probably not fitting in with the group.

But I think long term, Roby's one of those types of guys that might grow on you a bit. And you're like, I could date this, dude. no entertainment for life now we talked about this with gabby and rachel so pardon us if you're kind of hearing this conversation for the second time but the fact that they pulled the guys out to eliminate them instead of doing it at the rose ceremony to me felt more like a personal out yeah at least if you get eliminated at the night one rose ceremony you're like up you know they didn't get to know me whatever but like they pull them aside and they're like you know we did get to know you and we don't like it. I know that there's no right way as we told them to eliminate

people. There isn't, right? I mean, you can think of the 1,000 ways to do it. And I do feel like the personal kind of rejection is at the time it feels better to do because you're feeling like you're giving people that time. However, I watched it and I was just like, oh, How would you like to be the three dudes that don't even make it to week two? Like, you're just, you can't even, you can't even make the cut that didn't exist. Like, they're not having a rose ceremony. You couldn't even make the cut that did not happen. You couldn't even make it to the first row ceremony.

The connection was so bad. But also, what they did was probably the right thing to do. Could you imagine them going through like 28 roses or how was there 32 guys? Yeah. Because we're 29 roses and just be like the three that are eliminated there. No. Like what they did was right. But it also is just like.

It's it hurt. It hurt to watch. And I can't imagine like, you know, you think about the people going back home. So those guys are on a flight that night or the next morning to go back home. They, they pull up to their parents house or to their apartment. Their parents like, what happened? You're like, I got eliminated. They're like, oh, you got eliminated night one.

Dang. They're like, well, kind of. it's like half of night one kind of yeah to make them feel better if the girls only talk to half the guys that means like let's just for sake of easy math say like they talk to 15 guys so then they were rejected from a pile of 15 guys

not a pile of 30 yeah you're making yeah that's nice you know this happens now twice where before the rose ceremony even existed somebody goes home last time it was with Ryan And if you remember Ryan in the notebook, was that, wasn't that night one or not night?

Was that the week after? What do you mean Ryan with a notebook? He wrote like a playbook. Oh, Ryan with the notebook full of tips. Yeah, that felt early on to me. I don't know if it was week one. Was it week one? I don't know.

There's sometime around there. But these two women, they let Roby and the two twins. I don't remember their names, unfortunately, go home. So they don't make it to the first race for me. But the guys are going. going on to week two, most of them. And it's kind of where the episode ends, which brings us then to the preview

for the rest of the season, which Ashley, you had a lot of feelings on. So walk us through the preview for the rest of the season. What were your thoughts? What were you thinking? And you get more excited after watching that preview

for what's going to happen. I get a little concerned after watching the preview. Okay. That it's not going to end happily for one of them. there's a lot of tears I think there will be a guy who

well it's pretty obvious there will be a guy that goes from like team so-and-so to the other team and that'll be hard we see Rachel get some roses rejected so it seems like there will be a time where like they have to draft their team and the guys of course have a say on which team

they're going to go to it's got mutual or a 50-50 decision and then I'm just excited where things go with Rachel and Tino because we see so much of them. Oh my God, if something happens with Tino, that would be devastating. I'm already so invested in them. And I think that is basically what I gathered from.

We also don't see any like preview of an engagement. We didn't. But they're both happy. there was something. They're both happy. Yeah, you can be happy and also be single. I would agree. I wrote a book about it.

Yeah. Has anybody ever left the show and said, yeah, got off the show. How was my experience? You know, tease us. We'll be ending. And then they go, I'm miserable. Like, none of them have ever been, like, I'm miserable. And there's definitely been people that should have said that.

Yeah, I get it. I think the preview point to some more drive. that we kind of expect. I will say that Tino is definitely a frontrunner. I think he is, his storyline with Rachel is going to be impactful at some level. I'm curious to see how this whole teaming up, which side of you on plays out because it feels like a really hard math problem to me. Like I have to pick you, you have to pick me.

We have to be in our top 15. Now let's do the checklist to see if I'm on your team or if I'm on the other team. I don't know how that's going to play out. I'm still curious about that. But it is going to be a good season, Ashley, and I am still more excited than ever about Gabby and Rachel and watching them together on television, but also seeing how their individual experiences play out.

So first, it's a great first episode. We're going to be back next week, breaking down the second episode. We're going to have it for you as soon as we watch it, which will be like on a Tuesday, I think is when we'll be sharing these episodes now. So watch it on Monday night, break it down on a Tuesday morning, and get it out to you. right here on the Almost Famous Podcast.

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