The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Bachelor And A Housewife Are Off The Market

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

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You know I'm from the Golden Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise. He is incredible. and officially, it's official, he's off the market. So I wanted to check in and hear everything about what he's doing in his new relationship. Please welcome Gary Livingston. Kelly is in the house. There's my boy. Hey, girlfriend.

I'm shaking. It is so nice to see your lovely face in living color. in living color you look so sunny and so happy so happy in the desert sweet eye that's right life in the palm desert gorgeous you better believe it you better believe it yeah how's my thoughtful man how's how's mr thoughtful in a great place in a great place i was able to get out and do my walk this morning play pickleball earlier than normal but that's okay because you know everyone's out there everyone's out there before it warms up and even though it's going to get into like maybe the high 70s low 80s it still feels warmer than that you know you are you are a warm person

and I want to ask you a very interesting question okay I think So we're going to dive right now into your romance. Fans want to know, you left Bachelor in Paradise with Leslie. Leslie, who I love, Leslie and you guys were hanging out in Tahoe. Yes. I was there. Yes, yes, yes. Bachelor in Paradise was airing.

Yes. And we have no idea what happened after the show. Okay. Did you guys try to date? What happened? You know, it's interesting because I wouldn't call it dating as much as it was just a close-net friendship, like a connection, like best friends, right? Not dating or with an intention of loving each other. I love her dearly, don't get me wrong, but in a friend kind of way, not in a romantic kind of way.

Okay. I really like you just said dating with intention. I say that. You know. I love that because I say it. Yeah. And it's an interesting dichotomy of when you're dating with intention, you make things happen. Both parties make things, you just make things happen. And yeah. And so we're the best of friends. we've always been I respect her dearly and it comes back and that that is a wonderful that's a wonderful thing to have well I love you saying so many beautiful things about Leslie because she is a

beauty I'm her biggest fan I love her so much she's the best she's a grandmother she's gorgeous she's so much fun I did want her to teach me some dance moves but she did not but we'll get to that later um but I really love what you just said about dating with intention and I also really love what you said about you meet a lot of people but then when you do meet that person yes it's like let's go we're ready to do this and you know Kelly it does hit differently later in life later in life when love hits you it hits differently because you know what really matters and what's important and the little stuff that you used to think was important, it really isn't. It really isn't. It's the respect that you have for one

another. It's the recognizing the imperfections are going to be there, but you work through them later in life to have great times because that's all that matters. It really is. Oh my God. You're giving me like these like beautiful chills, not like in a boo, but like in a warm. Oh my God. I love that. I love that. It's so true. Speaking of these beautiful, beautiful thoughts. Yes. You just hard launched that you're in a relationship. Wait, what is great? Why didn't I know this? There's no DM. Hey Kelly. I knew that was. Yes was happening. Nothing. Crickets. We're friends. I'm like, wait a minute. I thought we were like texting buddies.

And all of a sudden it's like, you know, Kelly. Tell us about her. Yes. So we met at church, believe it or not. Beautiful. And I saw her leaving one day and I said, are you new? And she said when she turned around and we both look at each other, it was like the clouds open, the trumpets were playing. and it was just one of those things

that hits you like, this isn't a fantasy. This is real. And so from that day on, it just became something really, really special. Oh, my gosh. I cherish it to no end.

Because I've never felt like this for anyone. And she says the same thing. So it's great getting filled back up. when we pour out so much because, you know, like you, we're givers. We just give and give and give. So when it comes back, it's an amazing, it's an amazing feeling. It really, really is.

So do you think the faith brought you guys together, or do you think that's one of your common bonds? Or what do you think, what are your thoughts on the faith? Okay, so you've heard of being equally yoked, right? You've heard of that comment, that saying. And I think it is our faith. But I also think it was divine intervention because she's not on social media. She never saw me on the show. And I thought, you're not in social media.

This is 2025. What do you mean? You've got to be kidding me. Like really? She's for really non-social media? Like no social? Like nothing. Really. I love that. And I did too, you know, so that's not what brings her joy. And I thought, this is, this is really special that someone is liking me because of who I am, not where I came from or what I've done.

Okay, so tell me, so we heard about how you guys first met. You guys clearly have this amazing, beautiful bond. The heavens open. I mean, come on. Tell me, Kelly, Kelly. I'm like, I'm getting in trouble. Gary, tell me about your first date. What did you guys do? I know you're so incredible. You're going to love this. I'm your biggest fan, by the way. So, like, I'm just so happy for you. You know that. So our first date, no, I'll even go into our second date. Our first date was going out for coffee at IW coffee, Indian Wells Coffee Shop. We had coffee. And we just talked. And we talked and talked and talked.

And the second date we went on was at a protein store for, like, getting protein shakes. Okay. And I forget the name of the place. But yeah. And so that was our first date. It wasn't some champagne dinner with caviar and candlelights. It was at my favorite IW coffee, which was. that's so real

I love that I love that yeah yeah so what kind of questions did you ask her just give me a couple yeah so I asked her actually what I did is I told her

about me being on the show like what like well I shared with her that I was on Golden Bachelor Red and I was on Bachelor in Paradise and there's lots of people and I now wear this shield of celebrity now on my sleeve

something I'm still getting used to and she's like oh my god really I've never I've never watched the show and she's saying that I'm like I like that you've never seen this and you're taking me for who I am as a person but I had to share that with her and then she shared a couple things

about what she's into in terms of working out and walking and all the things, and I go, well, I enjoy walking also. I'm not a runner anymore. And we talked about going hiking and all the things and how she likes walking on the beach. And I go, well, I like walking on the beach.

And I said, let's go to Malibu. And we ended up going to Malibu. And then we went to Santa Monica. And everything was just falling in place. And Kelly, I got to tell you. Wait, your third date, you guys went on a trip? You drove to Malibu? Was that the third date?

Maybe it was somewhere in there. Well, because the first date was coffee. The second date was the protein drink. And so now we're already in Malibu? Wow. You go fast. I'm like, I'm trying to, yeah, to go places that I like to go to. And she likes to go to.

I love that. And yeah, we just made it happen for all the right. reasons. So now you told her about your experiences, but like what did you, and you know, you talk about walking and running, but let's, come on, let's get into this. I don't want to hear about the walking and the running. What did you tell her? You must have told her something really good. Come on. I told her, I said, I'm not looking for a girlfriend. You did? My girlfriend. Yeah, I said.

So you took yourself out of the game. You're just like... I said, I'm looking for a wife. I'm looking for a wife. You know what she said? And I'm looking for her husband. Oh my God! And now she said that.

Kelly, I'm like, boy, boy, things just got real, real fast. Am I coming to a wedding? Am I going to be a flower girl? But isn't that how it happens? It's all in God's timing. Not mine. and I truly believe that he's been preparing me as I've been praying to show me her face.

I want to hear her voice. And prayers come true. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So did you say, like, I really want you to know who I am. Should we watch the show together? Should we get a glass of wine and kind of go through some of the highlights or go on TikTok and check some out?

Nope. I did not want to go to the show. because that's not something that she particularly wanted to see. But what was also intriguing was you're going to love this one. She was listening

to sports talk radio. And I actually thought it was my phone and she goes, no, I like listening to sports talk radio. You're like, oh, thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord. She likes sports. As do I.

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first of I love that you guys are like talking about things like sports and you know I think that's amazing but I mean I kind of feel like you should be talking to her a little bit about the show because she's going to find out and there has to this is just my personal opinion but I feel like you guys should like have some kind of conversation because believe it or not we have you don't want her to make her own you know you don't want her to assume you know what I mean Like, if you really care about her, like wifey material. Hello. Yeah, totally.

And that's part of my history and my makeup over the past two years. And so I have shared with her. And I have said, you know, if we're at dinner, someone may come over and call me out. She says, yeah, just like we did last night at dinner when they were shouting, Gary, we love you. And I'm trying to, like, get away like any celebrity would do. But I also acknowledge them and turned around. And she as well said, that is so awesome.

Yeah, but you're just such gracious. You're such a gracious, humid. And I would know that because I walked the carpet with you. And you're such a kind, thoughtful, you're just very, you're so gracious. Like, I can imagine that her, you know, you made her feel really comfortable. So what about divorce? Did you guys, have you guys had conversations about divorce or you're like real story outside of walking and talking

in sports? Yeah, I told her about my prior relationship and with my ex-wife and the kids, or not adult kids. And you know, she says, well, we want to be together for

the rest of our lives and that's what's really important. That's all that matters. And we're both forward-looking, not looking back too much into the past, but using that as a foundation to keep moving forward. Wait, so when did you, because for the, for the, this is really important, Gary, for our listeners, like they want to know, they need advice, right?

And you're the best person to get advice from because you're a really solid male, like amazing role model. So when did you guys bring this up about divorce and children? When did you guys talk about that? That was on the very first date. We got deep like that on the first date. Yeah. I did not want to hold back because I,

knew that this was someone that was so very, very important that I did not want to let go up. And not knowing that she was in the same mindset. And so I wanted to be up front and forthright about every possible thing. Oh, my gosh, Kelly. And it just played out in my favor. And so, yeah, it was the very first date. We got real with each other about who we were. as people um and i tell you i'm gonna like murder this is she divorced she is divorced yes yes yes

so we both have been through that uh that walk together and um and she's a very private person which i also like about i love that um and you will get to meet her and i look forward to sharing lots more with you personally with her present. I would love it. Okay. I can't wait to meet her. It's still going strong. We now are getting together for Taco Tuesdays,

and we have moving nights on Fridays, and Saturdays are football Saturdays, and we have our church on Sunday. So we're incorporating everyday life into the relationship. I love that. of things that we both enjoy doing. I love that. So what about talking, meeting her kids?

What about that? What's the plan? No kids. She doesn't have children. No. And what are her thoughts about meeting your kid? We have, she has met them on the phone. We're going to be driving out soon.

If I'm not mistaken, I think we're going out for Halloween. So that's going to be a big time. And then, of course, Thanksgiving, is soon to follow. But yeah, everything is lining up in all the right ways for all the right reasons. And I am just humbled to knowing that I have, that I found my person. And it feels wonderful, Kelly. I'm so happy for you.

Oh, my God. I'm so happy. I'm like beaming for you. I don't know why I'm so excited for you. Because you were a big part of my journey, you know. You're amazing. And show the pictures and the videos and the fun times. And you were a big part of that.

You really were. So we're connected for all the right reasons. Are you in love? I am in love. I can say that. And we have both said it to each other. And I'm so happy to say that. Wait, how many months has it been?

Wait, wait, wait. Let's go back because now this is for the listeners. It's been, let me see. that was like right after the Tahoe trip when we became exclusive. So this has been a while. Yeah.

Oh my. You didn't even tell me about this in Tahoe by the way. Nothing. Crickets. Because it's just like Tahoe, we're working. We're enjoying time. We're just having a great time. And then I think that was before,

after I went to Africa, I can't recall. And she gave me some special tools while I was away in Tahoe. Just some writings that she had given me and it carried me through some pretty difficult time seeing people in, you know, I don't want to say in a bad place, but just in a different light, you know, the third world country is just,

you know, it's very difficult. It is. And so that also brought us closer together. And here we are. You're smiling. You're beaming. I'm so smitten. I have some news for you too.

Yes, darling. Tell me. I'm waiting. I have a romance. Yes. It's happening. Finally. Happening.

It's happening. Isn't it a great feeling, no? You know what's beautiful, too, is that you're talking about privacy. Yeah. And I was going to say, you know, both of us have very public personas and public lives. Yes. And he's very private. And I've always been very private in my personal life.

I mean, there's no way I would ever have been able to raise the girls that I've raised if I were publicly, you know, showing off my boyfriends. So, or the guy, I want to call them boyfriends because that's not fair, guys, that men that I have dated in the past. So this guy, he is. my boyfriend and he is very very incredible he's a very I can't even speak look at me I'm like what's wrong with me I usually I'm like kind caring he's a wildly kind very thoughtful girl dad very successful very creative I mean when I met him and I saw him in his element yes just like the way he was talking about the things that he does, I was like, whoa. This guy is amazing. He's also super adventurous. He's very protective of me, very, he encourages me to do everything from

work, podcasting, like all of my brands, all my influencing. He really, like, he'll be like, oh, this was good. That wasn't so great. Maybe do this at another time. Like, he's very, very helpful. Yes. And supportive. Super, super supportive. Isn't that a great feeling when we know that? I've potted, I've potted at his home. And he like walked by and he was like, he's like, keep going, keep going. You're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, no one does that. My kids are like, mom, why are you talking about all that weirdness? Like, no, no, not weirdness. This is important, important stuff. Yes. Yes. It is. was my daughter just like trying to chime in because my kids are constantly calling me. And again, you know, it's amazing when they get behind our causes, when they get behind to not only

support, but to push and lift and to pull when we needed. And, you know, it's something to be said about someone, as I said earlier, pouring into us, Kelly, right? Yeah. Because you, like me, you're such a giving person. You're such a caring, loving, and you give to a, not to a fault, but out of love. You're a giver. I'm the same way. It's so interesting, though, and maybe this is some advice that we should both give to the listeners is that I was on a podcast with one of my friends a couple weeks ago, and I told her

that I've never been in love, which is true. And I think that, like you just said, I am very giving to my. my friends. I am very giving to my family. I show them consistently that I care for them, that they can trust me, that I'm here for them. And that is really, really, really important to me. But for some reason with men, I have a very, I just feel, I don't feel safe. I feel like they're exploiting me or they're trying to meet someone through me or they're trying to use me for business or like I just always felt like every man that I've been with has wanted to be with Kelly Ben-Simone the figure and not the Kelly Ben-Simon that you know you know yes small-town

USA girl small town USA rock for a little I get it but again but let's talk about the advice let's talk about the advice about finding love the second time around. Like, just give us, like, some two things to do, and I'll think about it, too. What are your thoughts? My initial thought is, don't ever give up. Just keep the faith. Keep hope alive. And it will happen if you just be patient and persevere.

it will come to you. It will find you when you least expected. It's coming. So don't ever give up knowing that there's a much higher source in being that that has your back and always has. It's just a matter of his timing, not ours. You know, we can't, he works on a different clock. But when it happens, be ready to,

take it in and say, you know what? They're showing up for me. And what a great feeling. So mine would be, one of mine would be, and then I'm going to go back to you, is kind of like nods to what you're saying, and that's being positive, because I feel a lot of people that I have spoken to since they've been hearing me on the pod, they're like, well, how am I supposed to meet, Kelly? What am I supposed to do?

Am I supposed to FaceTime them? They're asking me all these questions. Questions are like, bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet. I'm like, it's not about that. It's just you have to be, you have to feel good about yourself. You know, I know that people make fun of energy, but it is. I mean, when I walk down the street, I'm smiling. I smile a lot. And people are always like, oh, you're always smiling. I'm not smiling because I'm opening my mouth up, catching flies. Like, I am a genuinely inherently happy person. I feel very grateful to be able to do the things that I do. And so there's a

positivity that resonates because of that. And I think that's super important. And when I see people that are grumpy, I mean, I will always say something. If someone's grumpy, I'm always like, you're looking good today. And they're like, I totally get that. I'm going to make a bold statement. Yes, go ahead. Yeah, I think it starts from within. It's like a fruit that the tree is bearing fruit, right and it starts from within it starts with its roots and so you've got to it it starts from within and there's this little trick that I use and I've shared this with some folks looking in the mirror and saying I love you and when you say I love you and you're looking at yourself and that sixth sense of hearing it seeing yourself

and I did that and I said I love you and I smiled and then I said I really love you and it just turned the inside of me

it took me to a place of total joy and happiness so I think it starts from within too you know what I mean so that we're not walking around frumping and down and it's not going to find me

and love is too far far away and it's out of reach, it's right there. Just let it come to you and it will. And it will. So here's another nod to you. You said when you were, you know, talking about your new love, about how when you guys first met, that you didn't go into the past. And I'm not a trauma bonder. Like a lot of people are like, let me tell you about my past. I'm like, no, no, no, no, thank you. I really do want to hear about your past. If it comes up later, hey, this is a trigger of mine. this happened to me this instance i definitely want to hear about that but i don't want you to kitchen think about your past because i want to hear about us i don't want to hear about

going forward right yeah going forward and that was one thing that was really interesting about my new boyfriend is that he said that to me he was like i don't want to hear he asked me like a thousand questions a day. And he's like, I don't want to hear about X or Y. I mean, he was very interested to hear about why I've never been in love because I've been married before and then I was engaged. So he wanted to know about that. And I didn't get the opportunity to be like, okay, so I'm a little screwed up. And I've had some things happen to me in the past, which I don't want to talk about. Isn't it interesting, Kelly? We all have imperfections. so we have to allow the past to live in the past and if there are moments where it helps to create clarity

like you can cherry pick those moments but i think that you know i think that when people go on their first dates and they just start unloading on the other person yeah that's first of all i don't need a therapist like i have one she's a fortune it's she's great like i need a partner in my love crime that's what i'm looking for i'm looking for that next chapter with all good news, with excitement, with adventure, with, you know, just and, you know, family upon, I want, you know, I've always said, I want a family for my family, and I do. I want, sure, sure. Whoever, whoever that is, I definitely want my family and their family to feel whole that's really, really, really important to me. And the other big piece of that for the listeners is this.

we want them as we do embrace the imperfections because we're not perfect but embrace what you have in front of you going forward and knowing that there's going to be challenges there's going to be hurdles and if you can both overcome those challenges and hurdles oh my gosh what a wonderful thing

You know, I like to use the roller coaster of life's a roller coaster, but it's a two-seater roller coaster for you both to go through those ups and downs and the swirls and the, oh, here we got, you know, so we've got to embrace the imperfections also because we're not perfect. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven,

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Listen to what are we even doing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, Here We Go again. We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies,

but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lily Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong.

Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I heard this beautiful quote from Merrill Monroe, where she said that, you know, everyone is trying to smooth out the rough edges, but the rough edges are what catched the light. Hey, man, I just saw something on that as well. Yeah. How gorgeous is that? That is fabulous. Mark Jacobs, when I wrote this book and Mark Jacobs gave me a quote about how much he found so much beauty and imperfection. And I just was always.

always like, that's what beauty is. Beauty is the imperfection. It really, really is. And that's what makes us who and what we are. And we're constantly better than the person we were yesterday. But it doesn't mean that I have to be perfect in any form of the imagination. Well, you are better every day than most people. Let's make that clear.

I mean, you're like everyone. I'm like, not everyone, Gary, sorry to burst the bubble. You, yes. So what about on the Golden Bachelorette? Are you going to introduce your girlfriend to any of the guys from your season or no? I plan on doing that. And we have talked about the guys who do have dates or people that they're seeing, getting together

and what a wonderful thing that would be for the bromance and the brotherhood to now share our newfound sweethearts so yeah we've talked about that

no quick I'm not hiding this from anyone which is why I had to do my hard launch because I'm so proud of where I've come from and but more importantly where I'm going right Kelly it's where we're going

we're going it's where we're going it is i mean i'm just super super happy for you and i'm really really excited about you know everything that's happening in your future and i'm just interested to hear what the guys from the golden bachelor's at are going to say i'm totally i want to be a fly on the wall i am like i literally we've already been sharing we've already been sharing and every is so, you know, we're all just happy for each other. It's like, it's like a big celebration, you know, whenever somebody says, and this is who I've got, and this is who I'm with, and this is who I'm, and it's just like we're so happy for each other. It's like a family member that's, that's found, you know, what they've been looking for. And it's great. It really is.

Okay, and what about the, um, okay, I have one more, I have another one more question. that's for our fans what about the holidays are you guys going to be spending the holidays together like what's your big plan well as quiet as it's kept and i'm going to keep it quiet but we will be traveling someplace together um for Thanksgiving and for the end of year after Christmas thing you know doing the family thing but yeah so stay close Kelly and I will I will keep you posting. Okay, now let's talk about a little bit about the Golden Bachelor. Do you think that Mel will find love?

Oh, my gosh. That's a tough one. I know. That's a tough one. I want him to, but I don't, in my heart of hearts, I just... Is he not open? What is it? What's like...

You know, it seems like he's very guarded, right? Very. It seems just like he's very protected and very guarded. and not being vulnerable. I haven't seen any vulnerability, but that's what makes you, you know, lean in as opposed to working at arm's length. And so, yeah, I haven't seen his vulnerabilities.

And it's unfortunate because that's what love is about being vulnerable, isn't it? Well, I'm learning that. I mean, literally just from being on this, pod. You have to be vulnerable. I have been learning that. I mean, you have to remember that I've spent my entire, you know, 30s, you know, 20s and 30s and 40s and 50s, like on literally lockdown, protect Kelly, protect her kids, provide mode. And so I was always in so much fear. And just to be with someone who is just asked about me, wants to make sure that I'm safe, wants to make sure that I've eaten the things that I like, you know, just literally just asks about me versus

tells me about what they're doing. It's just a totally different narrative. And it's just made me, he's making me a better person. Well, and would you say, or I should say, would you agree with me that to be vulnerable, you have to feel safe? 100%. You have to feel safe to be vulnerable. And that's a big part of letting go and trusting.

and then knowing I'm in a safe place so I can be vulnerable. I was always like, the shoe's going to drop, something's going to happen, there's going to be a girlfriend, there's going to be a this, there's going to be an ex-wife that does something crazy, there's going to be something that's going to be something mean,

that's going to hurt my feelings. Like there's always going to be a shoe that drops. And you're right, feeling safe is a big, big news for me, huge news. And let me ask you, are those things, important anymore, or do they still matter? Because I would think where you are now, those are things that kind of really doesn't matter whatever. All I care about is that,

and this is one thing that he did that was really stellar, was that he speaks so highly of his past relationships. And he doesn't ever say anything negative. Nothing. It's always like, They're great. They're smart. They're doing this. Everyone's great. I'm so great. There's no kind of like negativity. And that made me also feel more safe too. And it was never, he's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, stay home and eat steak and watch TV. Okay. It's like, it's never like, oh, let's get dressed up or, you know, it's always very, it's always about like what we are doing together, which is really important. Kelly, you're good with just burgers and fries and a glass of water. and we're all like having so much fun it was the best night that was so amazing big red carpet burgers that's like at the diner that was so awesome that's one of those unforgettables we'll have the rest of our life unforgettable well gary thank you thank you thank you thank you for sharing such a beautiful time in your life i'm so excited for you i can't wait to come to the way

Stay close I always do Stay close I need you I need you I'm here for you Kelly Lots and lots of people need you

But I need you too Thank you Thank you Thank you And I also love how you talk about Leslie Because she's such a beautiful human She is You're such a good guy

Yeah thank you honey One thing Don't forget Did you forget Be vulnerable You matter. Kelly, you matter.

And I mean that from the problem of my heart. You are. I genuinely do, okay? I love you. Don't ever forget. And I'll always ask you, did you forget? Nope. I matter.

Did you? You matter. Okay. Wait, I want to tell you something before we finish is that Victoria Beckham was talking about, she has this new show and she was talking about how, at this time where she has in her life after everything she's been to, she said something that I feel like I'm enough. Just like you're saying you matter.

I mean, and then I said that. I was like, you know, I actually feel like I am enough. And I was like, wait a minute. What did I say? Right. I'm supposed to be like panic, fear, provide, children, work. I'm not supposed to be like. Not anymore.

Not anymore. It's now it's about Kelly. It's your turn. It's your time. Thank you. For you. Well, you too, Gary. And you're both.

Oh, my God. I'm so excited. And go Dodgers. I wore my hat to go. We're going to take the World Series from Toronto. Oh, I thought you were going to say Go Nix because they, the dreams. See, your season is just getting started. Ours is just finishing up with the World Series.

Go Dodgers. Gary, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I love you. Thank you. Thank you as well, Kelly. Love you. Take care. Okay.

Bye. Are you like Gary and I and want to find love again? stuck on how to navigate dating in Chapter 2, call us or email us. All the info are in the show notes. Follow us on socials. Make sure to rate and review the podcast. I do part two, an IHeartRadio podcast, where falling in love is the main objective. WOD relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock Elite Gaming Tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every

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Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Chicago. A white woman's murder. A black man behind bars. For a crime he didn't commit. 90 years for killing somebody I have never seen.

The Crying Wolf Podcast is the story of a corrupt detective, two men bound by injustice, and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. Listen to the Crying Wolf Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet Stand. I have a new podcast called What Are We Even Doing, where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture. Each week, I invite someone fascinating to join me to talk about. navigating this high-speed rollercoaster we call reality. Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday.

And let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.