The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Conversation with Aaron Clancy

Episode Date: December 8, 2022

We’ve heard from Genevieve, now it’s time to get Aaron’s side of how things went down with them on and off Paradise.  Ben and Ashley ask the difficult questions, and Aaron sets the record straight about the rumors surrounding him and his relationships before and after his time on the sand.  You haven’t heard the whole story until you join Ben and Ashley for this exclusive conversation with Aaron Clancy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I would love to. Aaron, welcome to the almost famous podcast. Thank you for having me. Aaron, you're here today. You've been pretty quiet since Paradise. Is this your first interview? This is, yeah, this is my first interview since Paradise. Okay.

Well, the elephant in the room is obviously that Genevieve was just on last week. and you know our theme especially coming off of paradise there's been a lot of wild storylines coming post paradise that we didn't necessarily get to watch during paradise has been this Aaron just to let you know there's always three versions of the truth there's my truth there's your truth and then there's the truth and so our goal is just to hear your story to hear and to also ask you some of the questions that were obviously brought up during the interview with Genevieve and then some of the questions that have been brought up post-show from Reality Steve and other networks, those things need to be confronted or they just sit

out there and people assume their own things. And so thanks for joining us. Thanks for letting this be your first interview. Yeah, of course. That's why I'm here. Definitely to, you know, share my, share my truth here for sure. Should we just start with Paradise for a sec? I guess I yeah let's talk about the moment the the itch versus pain moment because that was like well that was a big fight that kind of led to the end right we've looked it up Aaron and an it's apparently is not pain so so okay yes and and I looked it up like six months ago right as well um so all the people bombarding media, social media. Like, I know. Okay. I was wrong. I, I, so that's something, uh, I learned in school. Now, the thing is behind the scenes, obviously, there's a lot of interactions people don't see.

Um, I'm allergic to bug bites, like mosquito bites. I got bit by a spider. Um, my legs swelled up. I was on antibiotics and I was also taking- While in paradise? On paradise. Yeah. I was, I was taking a LASIC medication to like drain my ankle. It's like a water pill. Um, so I, I was seeing the doctor every day and I was itching incredibly, right? And then my mind was on that because it was it was to the point where it was so it was itching so much. It was painful. I remember back.

Okay. Now we have more context. That sounds painful. My earlier days in school. And I brought that up seemingly super random, obviously, archaic research at this point. But, but, you know, that's why. essentially. So it wasn't the best mood. I was hobbling around on a on a one good leg. But yeah, I regret the whole thing. Obviously, it was just so dumb. So I mean, Paradise seems like the

worst place for you. And you've done it twice now, right? It does not seem like a very good place for me now. Yeah, but bugs everywhere. I mean, all Ashley talks about when we get into the nitty gritty of paradise is the bugs flying around the creatures that exist in your bed. You go down there allergic to this it makes sense now that you got a bug bite what kind of bug bite was it dude so i don't know um it they so the first bug bite i got was on my leg and it got so big it was like as big as a tennis ball around and it was black and then my whole leg swelled up so yeah so the the doctor was like this is a spider and they were actually worried about it because the center of it got really like soft and like just disgusting. So they were like, yo, if this was like a really dangerous spider

and your flesh is going necrotic, you got to leave, right? And so they put me on a bunch of antibiotics kind of right away. And, and, and it helped. So that's why I didn't leave. But I grew up in Southern California. There's not a lot of bugs. So I didn't know I was allergic till my first time in paradise. Oh, man. That's, see, context is important here. So you were experiencing pain From a bite, it just isn't necessarily defined by the itching is pain, but you were experiencing pain from a bite, from an itch. Yeah. Yeah, well, like 13 bites at that point.

Yeah, because I have type O positive blood. I'm like, I run super hot at night. So apparently I was just, you could like, Johnny was my bed, my bunkmate. So I would, I would absolutely coat myself in bug spray before I went to sleep, plus the sweat. So I'm lucky I didn't break out and a bunch of acne. But, yeah, it was disgusting. paradise sounds awful sometimes just every once in a while when I hear these stories I'm like I'm so glad that they asked me to lead this show for a season so I never well I guess that doesn't always

discount somebody from going on but I'm just glad that that never existed for me because I would not have done well yeah my mom's from the Caribbean too which is a turn out in Tobago a bunch of bugs out there so you wouldn't think you would think I'd be resistant or something genetically but but no I can't handle spicy food. I got that from my dad. And apparently allergic to mosquito bites. So not built for it. Goodness gracious. What a start to the podcast. I mean, just learning new things every day about you, Aaron. I mean, I felt like I was maybe silly bringing up that argument first. We have like a lot more serious things. I was like, you know what? This will be fun. Everything. So I don't react the best sometimes. My behavior can be up and down. But I'm always honest. So I'll tell you what you want to hear. okay well let's talk about just your relationship in general well genevieve in paradise was tumultuous was always up and down sure why did you stick it through till the end because i'll just say it when you come out and you hear that you've had girls back at home and then you you kind of have this up and down not so fun relationship with genevieve it looks to an outsider as if maybe

you were hanging around just to the very last day so that you could get as much screen time as possible instead of just breaking up with her when it was bad sure or you guys breaking up in general i guess when it's bad but i mean i i get how it can look like that like and that's why i went on this podcast because i see things like that um on the internet and it's just simply not the case like realistically genevieve and i you know we connected on a lot of levels and and i know they show the ups and downs and people kind of focus on the down but we really had um this very strong connection. And, and, you know, if you, you kind of, when we're not focusing on the fights on the camera, like, you see little B-roll clips of her sitting on me. We're kissing. We're

always hanging out, like floating around the pool, whatever. Um, and that's because of those real feelings. Now, like, essentially at the end of the day, um, we didn't have any moral, like issues. Like, I wasn't pro choice. She was pro life or something. We didn't have any like, um, there weren't any fundamental issues in our person that led us to those fights. They were always like- It's her pain. They were always miscommunication or just, you know, the beach can get the better sometimes, you know, and it can, whether it's, you know, for her, like she, like, AC, it's hot, like bug bites,

myself included, we're just more irritable in general. And so we would, I was at least, I can say I was. And so it would lead to like interactions that were just that were dumb miscommunications. And so in my experience, the best way to get over miscommunications is to get to know someone better, learn how to communicate with them better. And for me, that's like the one thing we don't have in paradise, which is time. So for me, it was like, okay, it's versus pain. That's not worth ending this relationship for.

So I want to fix this and then spend more. time with her and try to learn how to communicate with her better. There's some very, like, I'd say simple, straightforward questions. I think it's the best way to get to, you know, you explaining your side of the story or you explaining the truth to the story, even if it's not pretty and good. I just want to take two off the top here. One is, you know, last year during Paradise, the big thing that you confronted this year during Paradise was that you were quick-tempered, that you get upset easily.

that was something that was brought up, I think, once this year, but it was also maybe the biggest hit on you last year that you were working through, I'm assuming over the last 12 months before this season of Paradise. Sure. Can you walk us through that journey? And do you still consider yourself quick-tempered? Is it something that is a weakness of yours?

And then, you know, how are you dealing with that? Yeah. You know what? In real life, I don't get mad very often. I'm someone that like will leave the room as opposed to a confrontation now I don't in paradise you don't really have that option so I can get I can I can get riled up pretty pretty pretty easily so it you know in these circumstances with her like she you know her and I both get riled up pretty easy and and if you watch the season back like there are times

where she's emotionally very, like, charged, and I've calmed it down. And then there are times where I'm emotionally charged and then she gets emotionally charged because I'm emotionally charged. But there's never really a moment where, like, I was upset and she calmed me down because that was not really the dynamic we had. And I really needed sometimes, like, an emotional safe space. and what I would do in that scenario would be to leave and try to, like once Justin came down and I got upset, I would want to leave and kind of deal with it myself, which isn't the best way

and it's in fact a bad way because what I would end up doing is kind of bottling it up. And then I really seen Paradise One at one point I was brought to tears and I was really sad. And the very next day I was very mad, right? So the sad turned to mad really quick. I was bottling it up. And I just needed to be able to communicate in a more healthy way and not bottle up my emotions. And just be able to communicate my concerns at the time. Yeah.

So it was all on, I mean, it was on me. Like whenever I get like upset too, I can be kind of condescending. I can be a dick, you know. And that's something I definitely need to change for sure. And that's something you saw on screen. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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energy is not right, we're not doing it, whatever that it is. Listen to Culture raises us on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You said that you guys didn't really have any big, like, value or personality differences that made you clash. But I hear you saying this, and I think that maybe the fact that you guys both deal with frustration in similar ways, getting all riled up, like you said, perhaps was a big red flag that you guys wouldn't be compatible long term. So why did it take so long for you to make that decision to split? You know what? But I'm honestly, I had never thought about it that way. Not even until you just said that right now. I'd never once thought about that in particular. It was always if we learned how to communicate or speak to each other and we got out of this, these little little things that blew up like we would be better. But I never thought about it that way until just now. So you were under the assumption that these arguments, disagreements would make you stronger

as a couple. You would learn from each other from the way you reacted. Yeah. I mean, I view that not the argument itself had a beneficial, but that it could have been avoided if we knew each other better, essentially. So it's like we spent some more time together. We understood each other's love languages. Like realistically, we have three weeks. and um we're thrown like you know how how it works like you're the the producers throw you curveballs as much as many obstacles as you can as you can have and handle and so um realistically like i was i was i was hoping that um we would just be able to communicate better and things would get better towards the end it's uh actually asked the question um a few questions ago

that um is assuming the the the probably the heaviest topic then coming off of the show for you, which was that you were dating somebody else coming on the show. Sure. I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to the Genevieve interview that we did, but she spoke that it was actually two people that you were dating. One person decided to not continue the relationship with you. The other person did when you went on the show and it was kind of a waiting game

to see how the show went for you on if that relationship would continue. With that question being asked, I think we have to ask you, were you dating somebody coming onto the show? Were you dating multiple people coming on to the show? No, no. So that's the main reason I went on this podcast is to address that. That's just simply not true at all. Right. So like I'll just walk you through the timeline. So essentially like I was dating this last year, first off, I went on, I was dating two separate people, right? And one person in particular, the person that's releasing text messages or saying certain things about me, that that relationship ended that ended almost a year ago, right? A little bit less. But but but then and then and then

essentially I started dating someone else. Now the other person like I get where the anger comes in and we and I have text messages and all sorts of stuff with this girl. But the other person, the next person was one of my best friends for four years. Right. There's, there's a lot of history there. She had another boyfriend, vast majority of our relationship. It became romantic at the end, but we really got along. So there was a, there was a certain element of like, we can move quicker because we had so much history as friends, right? The relationship ended the very next month. I was dating someone else, right? Now, that right there is a little bit close for comfort for anyone. I get it. But there was no crossover there. Now, any sort

of, and that girl, the previous girl, like that was upset by this, me moving on so quickly. Just for clarity's sake, this might be disrespectful, but I think it's just so not use the names. Can we say like girl A? Girl A. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense.

So girl A was upset that I moved on so quickly to girl B, right? Girl B was in my life for four plus years, great friend of mine, right? He had a boyfriend, you know, most of the relationship, but we were great friends. Now, girl A was upset by that, me moving on so quickly, right? But she and she lashed out at me over it, right? And, you know, this is a little piece of anecdotal evidence to what type of person this is because I never wanted to speak ill on anyone, but I saw her at a bar and her and her friends. She started rumored that I was gay because I left with James and they all screamed homophobic slurs at me. in the bar right um to bully me essentially right so i've moved you know whatever move on whatever

now this girl um that girl b right we're we're seeing each other um but we're we're great friends but we're not really like that compatible relationship wise especially at that time um so we we we have blow out a couple blowout fights we we don't talk for months right now girl a thinks we're just in a happy relationship the whole time because she's not involved in our in my life whatsoever or at least she really she that's what she says so essentially all those texts you see are her reaching out girl a to girl B and saying that I was like seeing both of them simultaneously right now that is something that played on girl B's insecurities at the time like et cetera um they they route each other up in a conversation

you're seeing little bits of that in the screenshots. And then when I essentially talk to Girl B again, I give her my phone. I'm like, hey, look at the, look at the receipts, right? Look at all the texts. Look at whatever. She sees that girl A is like, I'm not over you. I want to, you know, I want to see you, blah, blah, blah. And she's that it was all kind of bullshit. Then the situation was resolved. Right. And it was resolved months ago. And that was good enough for her. It should be good enough for everyone else. Because at the end of the day, there was no crossover. I was not dating multiple people. I was not in a committed relationship with like either one of them at any point. And realistically, going into paradise with a girlfriend, like that is something that

like is, I want to say a rookie mistake because of like the people that do it. But this is my second time on the beach and the producers are my friends. Like they like I told going into paradise, they call you. They're asking you who you've been dating. Are you saying? or whatever. I listed out these people's names. They know exactly who these people are. I'm best friends with producers as well. They were, they were aware of my dating history, and they know exactly who these people are in the timeline. So that's why it's like not, it's just, it's not even realistic. And it's, and it's upsetting. So this person, girl A, who called me homophobic slurs in the bar, took to reality, Steve, and essentially gave him like some sort of fake story to bully me

online. Like the credibility of this person is ridiculous and it's so vicious. It actually makes me sick to my stomach because like the one thing I do is I don't lie to people. I don't play people. When I was younger, late teens, very early 20s, like there was a situation where I wasn't super honest in a relationship and I ended up hurting people. I truly love. And so I will never do that again. And this situation itself is just fabricated

completely. And it's, and it's quite upsetting. A little confused about the timeline. Sure. Because from what I believe, from what I've heard from the sources and realities, and all that, there was the friend that you had for many years. She broke up with her boyfriend, and then there was some sort of romance. But then there was also an other girl involved at the time. And you just said that that relationship had been over, girl A. You're saying girl, I think you said that girl A was, it's been over for over a year. Yes.

From what I've heard, it sounded like it was just about this time last year that you started things with Girl A and then things started to sort of cool down in April, like a month and a half before Paradise. I get what you're saying. So realistically, no, that timeline is shifted and it's wrong. There is blurred lines with if you count like texting, like there was communication to get texting with this person. But like realistically, the relationship with girl A started about September because she attended my birthday. I'll just say September 2021.

September 2021. Yeah, yeah. Over, over year ago, right? And then the relationship, I don't remember exactly when I'd have to double check, but around January is when it was when that. that when that changed, right? Now, there was, there was texting involved, right, that she was communicating. I wasn't this girl, B, I wasn't, it's not like immediately that girl's my girlfriend now. Like, we're starting to hang out, you know, that other girl, like, her friends bully me in a bar. Like, I can't get over that. So I didn't want to see her. I was quite angry.

And so, but I would text her back, right? And I didn't feel any, I didn't feel guilty about texting her while I was seeing someone else because that to me is like I'm not in a committed relationship like I can do whatever I'm not going to I can do whatever I want like but I wasn't texting her in that way it was more of like communicating because there were still left over feelings there but there was never any there was like the whole thing was I was super transparent with everyone so then you started with girl B yeah feels weird to category guys in this way. I know, I know, but it helps me because I know them so well. I don't even know their name, so I guess it's easier for me. But so then girl B and you start kind of hanging out,

you were friends, you start hanging out. The romance starts when? It starts. So we take a trip to Tulum. The romance was there were there were feelings there or like, like there was the potential of feelings that were always riding that line throughout our whole friendship. So the Romance, like, started, like, January, I say. That's when we really took or, or, or, uh, yeah. When was the trip? Because there's pictures. One was it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm addressing it. Um, I believe it was January. And so then that relationship ended when? Um, that, dude, that ended like, we, we had a blowout fight into Lume. Like, it was too much too fast, like essentially. So, uh, it was, uh, it was, uh, we didn't talk for a few months, like in March, April, and then I was asked back to

Paradise, essentially, and then I had dinner with her and told her that I was going to Paradise in May. And she was like, I'm fine with that. So that's the thing, too, if you look at the screenshots, which is what, like, I'm so annoyed by. But if you read them, it says, I'm not dating Aaron. We're not, I'm not his girlfriend, right? That's what Girl B says. Where does it say that? it says in the screenshots in the first article he posted it literally says that and then and this is from girl a or girl b said this girl b okay but but perhaps this was after you guys started cooling down no this was i mean well this was when so the text messages happened when i was in paradise okay yes yeah so the text message had happened when i was in paradise the girl girl a reached out and said so like something about us

me seeing both of them at the same time, I don't know. And then the girl was like, I'm not dating him. He's not my boyfriend. Right. And then reality, Steve pivoted for me having a girlfriend to me playing two girls at once. I'm just a piece of shit, right? Which I get to salvage his story or whatever. But regardless, neither one of those was true. The first one is disproven by that text message. The second one is disproven by the fact of everything I just said and the list out the timelines. I have my own receipts for everything too. And like, I don't like, I don't like to share text messages without consent of both parties. And to me, it's just like lighting more of a fire.

But realistically, neither one of those things was true. So then when was the last time you saw Girl A in person? Literally, like, oh, I actually did see her at a festival. She's dated two people since. And she had a boyfriend. And I saw her at a festival, like, walked by. But that was in, that was after, that was real a few months ago. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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let me like get this straight so it sounds like girl a maybe wasn't in a relationship with you while you went into paradise so she's not so much annoyed at the fact that you went to paradise as much as it was like you were dating somebody at the same time and it sounds wasn't dating someone at the same time but what she was but that's what she said yes okay she was so then She was mad because she wasn't over it and I had moved on. And what she did was essentially just lash out of me. What brought on the breakup conversation that you had with girl A? Well, I said it like essentially there was a few things, but she's young.

She's 23, right? And the main issue I had was when she didn't get something she wanted or we had a disagreement, what she did was she started a rumor I was gay and she bullied me in a bar. Like she was screaming, like they were screaming that I was. a homophobic slurs like that's not something that's acceptable especially because i she apologized to me i have a huge long apology text too um because it was something that was just like literally a rumor she started because she was upset with me so you had an ending conversation um yeah yeah we definitely did we i literally have screenshots of that as well i have everything in my computer you should send

us the screenshots i don't yeah i can send you guys not let's not just not Yeah, let's not. I don't need to get involved in. I can send, Ashley, like, I can send, I know you're playing devil's advocate a little bit here. I can send you screenshots, but I just don't want them, like, out necessarily. Well, I won't put them out there, but I would like to see for proof for myself. Yeah, sure, I got you. Ashley loves this.

Well, okay, so the timeline makes sense to me. Well, you're telling us, just to recap it for everybody listening, you were dating girl A, that ended, let's say, close in January of 2022, you and Girl B had already been friends. You guys start romantically, like, being interested in each other following that relationship with Girl A, that relationship with Girl A, just to confirm, had been over, it's done. You removed this, there was no crossover you're saying. There was no crossover now. And also, like, again, no crossover, just because I wanted to avoid.

bad negative feelings but realistically i wasn't we were never in a relationship as well with anyone i was never in a relationship with anyone it's just like yeah how do you define a relate how do you define a relationship like do you like to have the conversation like we're girlfriend and boyfriend yes and also um like there has to be communication about um where we are like so yes i like to have to have the conversation, but also there is always a conversation about if we're seeing other people who were like communicating with, et cetera. This girl, A, when we were seeing each other, she went to Tulum with a whole group of guys and girls. And I wasn't there. And I wasn't even at her birthday dinner. I wasn't invited by her friends. Like, I'm, we weren't, we weren't

even far along at all for like, it just doesn't, it just doesn't make, it doesn't make sense. So, Aaron, within all of this, because the timeline does make sense. You guys, Girl B, that relationship did not last long. It doesn't sound at all. Well, no, Girl B. No. Haven't you been seen with her recently at your birthday party over the fall? So my birthday party was in September.

Yes. So I am, I coming back, like I said, she's been my friend for four years. she is in the same friend group in a lot of respects initially when I came back she didn't want to talk to me because of the text messages you all saw when you know I happen to see her because we're all in the same friend group let me just say in the text messages that are posted to reality Steve she says like something along the lines of like oh I won't be talking to him when he returned or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So it was, I mean, like, at the end of the day, like, it played on the insecurities that were already existing. So she didn't essentially want to see me because it was just believed blindly. And then when I did see her, I realized how, like, what was happening. I showed her my own receipts and then it fixed the situation. like the whole thing was manipulated to to destroy that relationship and girl a was texting me saying she's not over it wants to see me let's get coffee and so it's like realistically she was trying to destroy a relationship with girl B and then slide in probably I don't know but but the whole thing

is just manipulation and and then once that was seen the like we were cool again you know so where does a relationship exist now with girl b um so that's really complicated i'm not going to lie um and it's something i don't necessarily want to put out there in the public right now um because there's been like she's not on the show i made a choice even though i didn't know exactly what the fuck i was doing to put myself in the public eye by going on this show um she didn't and this has been a huge violation of her privacy already and i don't i don't want to continue that and so what we can take from this is that um girl b knew you're going on the show you guys had dinner uh she was okay with you going on paradise yeah um you came back from paradise she was really upset with you doesn't want to talk to

you you guys have reconciled that and at least today you are on speaking terms can we say that is that fair yeah yeah i mean we're beyond speaking terms we're like we when we had dinner about going to paradise she obviously doesn't want to hear that their feelings there but we're friends and we're not like there's a shelf life in this in this whole thing and uh they wanted me on paradise you know they try to sweeten the pot you know make it very appealing for me to go um and and with her like we were barely talking for again after a huge blowout fight for like like a couple days like that's not something like you can sacrifice the opportunity for, in my opinion. And she agreed with that.

And then I went to give it a shot because dating is very hard once you leave the show. I've found like there's thousands of girls that message you or the insecurity that can arise from people, you don't ever know what people's true intentions are. So getting someone in a relationship with someone that understands from that. that unique perspective of going on the show was like, it was just so appealing to me. Like I really, really wanted to make it work with someone that was in the same world because I just felt like that would be, that was the answer to finding someone to have a long-term relationship with.

Well, you called Genevieve a friend when you broke up with her. You said, I see you as a really good friend. And now you're calling. I said, well, that's not exactly what I said. What I said was first and foremost, you're a great friend. because what I wanted to do was like she we she's a she was a good girl like I viewed her as a good person and like you can see this girl support people like like we didn't get along that well but from a support perspective she's amazing she was helping everyone out you know she's a great

friend to people and I didn't want her to I didn't want it to be like negative like like like I the breakup, I didn't want it to be a negative thing. I just felt like it had gotten to the very end and we still couldn't communicate. And so I wanted to address the things that I saw in her, that I was really, that part of the reason why I, like, loved her so much because it was like, she is kind and she's sweet and she's a great friend to people and she supports myself included in a lot of situations. So that's what I, that's what I was saying. I feel like maybe you use the term friend sometimes with people who it's more than friends

with. I mean, potentially I can be guilty of that. I'm not going to, I don't necessarily have a situation. Well, I guess that would mean like they have another label, right? I don't know, like, what you would use it, what you would say then. I guess I use that as someone that is close to me in some sort. sort of a like connection. I don't know. So possibly the girls did think that you were more than friends when you were. Well, they knew we were more than friends for sure. They knew more than friends.

Like we were romantic, you know. There was never a miscommunication there in terms of where we stood. It wasn't like I was calling one a friend so I could like feel less guilty about seeing someone else. Like realistically, we were romantic. And then we weren't at girlfriend, boyfriend, we weren't committed at all you know she's dated multiple people since like she went to touloum with the guy while we were seeing each other that she saw afterwards um so you know obviously it could have been something there but that's not something i was ever dwelling on because it was just not where we were when you had dinner with girl um be talking about how you're going to paradise and how she obviously like was upset because yes does even if you're not in a committed

relationship it's still like hard with your like crush or like your person with complicated feelings goes to paradise i certainly had a moment with i had high school girlfriends when i was the bachelor be like this is so odd like i don't like this it's like we haven't talked in 10 years yeah i totally understand this i'm glad we're finding some common ground yeah um but when when you had that conversation was there like intention to possibly rekindle things when you got back no no no there wasn't like i've made up my decision like i just felt just since she was so close to me um i had to keep that communication open i just thought it was inappropriate for her to find out with the rest of america you know or whatever so i wanted to there was no intention of rekindling um

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because we're virtually talking to each other. Lay it on me, dude. This whole thing, right, it's impossible to understand the emotions and the feelings and how somebody felt about somebody and what they were still holding on to and not holding on to, right? but given your timeline, it makes sense to me, right?

The laying out, according to what you told us, it makes sense on how this all existed. But then this story gets released. I don't know if you're still, Paradise was airing when it gets released. It's obviously hurtful for you. It's hurtful for the two other girls involved, I'm assuming maybe not for the one that released them.

But it's especially hurtful for Genevieve, who gave you her heart. I know where you're going. I know where you're going. Yeah, go ahead. And she gave you her heart, and she believed in this. She was on the podcast. There was obviously deep feelings that she had for you,

real feelings that she had for you. She believed this was a real thing and that she wanted it to be a real thing. And I would argue strongly that that is how she felt. Sure. So this gets done. And then she tells us, you haven't even spoken to her. Like you didn't pick up the phone and or that you didn't call her. You didn't text her.

You didn't say, hey, Genevieve. I know this stuff's out here. Can I explain myself? Can we meet up? Can I see you? Can I try to calm this storm? Not for my own to save face, but for your heart and for your mind.

And so you haven't done that. And I don't know why. So I'll stop you right here. I did. I did that. Ashley, I'll send you the text. I 100% did that. She's the keeper of the text.

That's fair. You're saying that you texted her after the show? No, yes. I did. And I said, hey. I heard that you heard enough. She heard nothing from you until the reunion show. I'll read exactly what I wrote.

I wrote her. And then I won't read exactly what she told me back because that's just, it's not. I don't want that either. Yeah. I need the date on this, though. Is it so, Aaron, what Ashley's saying is that she's in the understanding this happened after the reunion show. So that it didn't happen after. Oh, okay.

So, but you didn't talk to her for, okay, you didn't talk to her from leaving paradise. There was there was no like we we had left and I didn't talk I didn't I wasn't hoping to rekindle so I didn't talk to her until reunion and then at reunion we were fine like the whole thing is I reached out to her because I wanted to at first so at first what I was told was when this rumor got released the first thing that producers do is like they kind of reach out and so they reached out essentially and they told me she didn't care about it so i didn't i didn't really care but they did reach out after the reunion so it was kind of too late for everything right i mean i would honestly wish this came out before the reunion like to a certain degree so i could like i've

addressed it and not have have gone through this whole process like the thing the like the truth will set you free right and and like at the end of the day it's completely BS and so i'm more than happy talking about it at length with anyone that wants to. I do want to move on with my life to a large extent. So I don't want to necessarily dwell on this. I don't want to shoot shots at anyone. I get hurt people, her people. So I get a lot of what like is coming from from her targeted at me could be just because she's upset with me because she believes it. Right. I get that. And like I did want to give her a call and talk about it one on one versus social media or a podcast, right? When she told me at the end of that text that she doesn't want to listen to me

on a call and she doesn't want to talk to me, right? Unfortunate, I did what I could, but so that's why I'm going on this podcast to kind of set the record straight. But I did 100% reach out to her. But the angle, but okay, but the angle there was, you know, you're upset with Genevieve for bad-mouthing you. That's fair. Like, I don't like that. I don't want anybody bad-mouthed me. Ashley knows how upset I get when people say bad things. I do. Yeah, I get, I get distrapped. I lose myself. But the tone of even your message to her, I would say, if we were buddies and we were sitting in the same room and you're like, hey, I need to text Genevieve. I need to explain this to her. And I'm going to say, okay, what do you want to tell her? And you're like, this is the text. I'm going to send.

I would have said, no. Because that's not the purpose. The purpose is that she believes this story. and so of course she's going to be hurt of course she's going to be upset it's it's if you want to reach out to her it's Genevieve I care about you we broke up on a beach um but I know this is real to you I know you believe this story how can I like how can I help make sense of this for you and not yeah hey stop bad mouth me yeah I mean you're super right like at the end of the day like I guess that text was um a bit charged up because the the reason I like I was just I felt a little bit blindsided by like some tweets she sent out and and and I got upset. I got hurt by that and because it was like I was told she didn't necessarily care about it.

To me, it was hard for me to believe anyone actually believed it because like everyone is so into soft or hard launching relationships, social media. Like I had never had a relationship. And so I and I thought everyone would, it was just. like stupid. I just thought I was like, this is like, no, there's no way people believe this. But then when she did that, I reached out because I was like also kind of upset because she didn't even like like, like she knew me very well. Like I'm not that guy. So it's like it was hard for me to believe that she wouldn't like even even give me the benefit of the doubt a little

bit. I don't know. I just got upset. Yeah. So you're upset that she was tweeting things and you're like, you know me. Why are you like, why are you out here to make this harder on me? And you set that text out of a reaction and not necessarily out of like a place of understanding the holistic side of the story. Yeah, especially because I get kind of like a little bit weird about contestants, bashing contestants online because she was getting quite a bit of hate at the beginning. And so, and I've gotten hate. And so we're very familiar with how bad that feels.

So I was very like, why would you consciously sense? and hate towards someone knowing how bad it feels, especially because, I mean, if I deserved it, like, that would be one thing. It would be much easier for me to try to, like, put my head down. But, like, realistically, after everything that has been said to me and what has been deemed as true by people online, I don't deserve it.

And that's not true, right? So it just pissed me off. Do you think that maybe she was, like, harboring feelings of annoyance towards you for a while because of the way that you broke up with her was just so kind of like one side of the abrupt yeah i think so i mean like i i had heard i didn't watch the podcast uh with her with you guys because it's kind of difficult for me to watch these things emotionally uh but essentially i heard that she regrets not leaving the second time and it was confusing for me because like if that's

that's the case if she wanted to break up with me that day um like why did she why did she care that we were finally on the same page on breakup day right um i guess it was unless unless her mindset completely shifted in those three days after age versus pain um or or she wanted to do it kind of more on her terms i don't know why she was so upset by it um because she she told she told everyone she wanted to break up with me earlier um so realistically i mean if i was to go back i would i would uh let you know let her leave on or let her break up with me like i don't know like the result then result was the same i don't understand why she was so annoyed with me unless she wanted to do it and and not me or she viewed it as that i was trying to kind of list out what i had issues with

in like a in like a a way that wasn't attacking so that we can create like an open dialogue have that conversation leave on good terms um i was i was not trying to attack um and and i know it came off that way or the way they edited to is like she she didn't say anything at all which is she definitely said things she said that she didn't say anything on our podcast no trust me she definitely did that's not that's literally not how it went like but regardless um the end result like at the end of the day I thought we were on the same page and according to the podcast she's been giving we were so I don't understand really so when you when you just when you went down at the beach knowing a breakup was happening um did you have any idea I mean and we just have

to take Genevieve's word for what she's telling us and telling others and so in her mind like she was potentially getting engaged to you like this was a real thing to her did you have any idea that that's how she was feeling no literally none i mean like a couple days earlier she wanted to leave like i like looking back um if if i was if i proposed where like should she have said yes if she felt like that a couple days earlier like no probably not like i i was you know i don't want to get engaged and break up and be another bachelor statistic you know um So I, I don't know. I just thought of the most plausible scenario that would work out for us.

And, like, realistic. I mean, like, obviously it would be nice to stay with her. Like, it would be nice if everything fixed after Paradise. I just didn't think that would happen. And so I wanted to voice my honest opinion to her, essentially. We'll stop grilling you soon, but I do have one more question on my side. So I just want you to picture yourself. You're Genevieve, you got broken up with in Paradise, and then you see, and you were with this person for the majority of Paradise.

You were sticking it out through a lot of fights, but then at the last day, the decision-making day, basically, you are dumped. And then you see months later this exchange between two girls who basically, it looks like, were still involved with you, or at least one was still involved with you when you went to paradise so don't you think that that like how would you respond to that i mean yeah just like what what would your actions have been yeah uh like it's it's something that i should have empathized with more i can't lie um the like when you list it out like that or if if you don't even me thinking about it like that uh it feels like if if that's true humiliating, you know, it feels like it's, you know, you wasted a lot of time, you know, things that are the opposite of what anyone wants to feel, right?

You were basically, like, lied to the entire time. That's what it feels like. Yeah, like it was all fake. It was all for show, like, legit a show. Yeah, and realistically, like, I'm not that good of an actor, or I wouldn't have gotten fights so fucking often. but like I can get where she's coming from completely I just I you know it's like it goes down to we both kind of have this issue where we can be a little bit reactionary and you know I'm going to

own that first and foremost for myself and at the reunion you know when we did talk and we did kind of show each other in that mutual respect that was she apologized for as well um so at the end of the day, this is exactly what that is. And I wish that, I guess I wasn't so reactionary when I sent that text, you know, um, uh, you know, thanks for, for, um, listing that out, Ben as well. But, um, but, uh, but like, I wish she wasn't so reactionary, just believing it right away as well. So, because we, I'm so confident, like, if we were open to having that conversation, this would never have been a thing. Yeah.

well Aaron I know this isn't easy I know this isn't fun I can imagine the last few weeks or however long this has been going on has been exhausting

and you know like you said I mean I think it's a fair wish everybody can now move on with their lives move forward with your life is there anything else that you'd want to tell our listeners

that we didn't ask that we didn't touch on, that you'd want them to hear, and for others to hear, you know, obviously this is going to be spread out. People will hear this. They'll see headlines of it. What would you like people to know moving forward for you? I guess a big thing I know, it's kind of hard to put into words, but a big thing is, you know, you look at my activity via social media. Like, I never tried to. you spread hate or attack, right? Anyone, ever.

It's not something I do, whether it's Twitter. Twitter is an evil place, you know? So definitely not Twitter or anything, right? It's, I do want to focus on bringing positive kind of energy. And I know it's hard sometimes, but like, when these, when these rumors or whatever are released, like they are a lot of times just rumors or, you know, there might be some truth to them but the things that I've have people have been said that have said to me um like the last few weeks you know and this even for jeneb is she listening like like you know you really don't

want like that's to be said to anyone right and and you know whether she's you know someone's mad at someone or not like the like sending like hate via social media or or or texting someone or or DMing someone, these crazy things, like has a huge effect on someone's mental well-being. And at the end of the day, like, she's a good person and confident in that. I am as well. I'm confident in that as well. The things I have done, I am confident that I was a good man before Paradise, after paradise when I was on Paradise.

There was miscommunications a lot of times, but I'm not like this horrible villain, right? and it's just disturbing when I see people like not even just myself like just spread this crazy hatred towards contestants because they're real people you know and at the end of the day and you never really know what's happening so just yeah just spread positivity and if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all right how would you feel if we invited Genevieve on this podcast to talk to you both um I'll be down on a zoom down i mean like like i'll be yeah i'll be down i mean i would rather do it in private obviously um i definitely don't want to get yelled at on on camera you know but done it before i know i know i can see the

smiles like you know i'm just thinking about paradise i was just thinking about all the paradise scenes in my head oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no i mean like i want to i mean i'm super open to having a conversation. I like to deal with things in private. You know, I'm definitely not someone that's doing everything in the forefront of, of, you know, the public eye and posting on social media every two seconds about what I'm doing in my life. So I'm more private person, as weird as it is going on this show. But yeah, I mean, for sure. Although I would rather I talk in private and then this, and then we can move on with our lives. You know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's Well, hopefully you can feel that way after this podcast, but I'm just, you know, playing.

Just having some fun with the questions. It's funny because when this was happening, this is really my first kind of the most hate I've felt from the fan base. And apparently I gave a lot of girls or women PTSD about their past relationships in those arguments. So a lot of projecting like run from Aaron, he's a fucking belongs in jail, whatever, which is, which is, you know, apparently they know me completely as a human being. But I was asking advice from other contestants, et cetera, that I've been through this. Not, not, you know, no one, no one crazy, but they were all just like, don't say anything at all. Just like everyone, almost unanimously was like, don't say anything.

But it got to the point where I was like, dude, I feel like I have to say something. Like getting repeatedly kind of bashed on social media by something that's not factual and people like might as well take it as factual is, is something that's really hard to like look at stomach yeah both piece of advice are good advice you don't say anything it always sits there you're always known for it now yeah the thing that the benefit of that is you can just like kind of walk off into you know the silence and be forgotten and but when somebody hears your name they're like yeah Aaron's associated with this saying something um you're not as capable of walking off into the silence but at least now there is that that team of people who will be like, I heard this podcast and this is what he was saying

happened. And now it's nuanced and it's complex. And I don't know maybe what to believe or maybe they know what to believe and they're confident in it. Both sides work. But we're glad you came on. So thank you for coming on, Aaron. Thank you for sharing your side of this story. Thanks for playing along. Again, I know it's not always fun. I know it's not easy. And I know it would feel a lot easier just to not say anything, but sometimes we don't have that option. And Aaron, next time, you're always invited here and we'd love to play some fun games with you. It's not always just serious. A little rapid fire, something like this.

Because I bet you it'll never be this serious again. I know. I was going to say, Ben, we haven't met in person, but Ashley, when I met her, she was like a light on the beach. Oh, no? No, you're the sweetest. That's what I say before every episode. I introduce Ashley and I say my amazing, beautiful co-host, Ashley. because she's like oh my gosh ben with the compliments but Aaron I tell people on this podcast all the time I was like on TV I kept saying like this guy he just loves fighting like he's like I love being angry I'm angry and then I'm like but in person he's so fun to get along with and joke with and you got a great sense of humor yeah that was one of my favorite things you said was like how I surprised you at my actual personality versus what was portrayed because yeah I mean I kid you

not like I'm just like a goofy guy at almost all the time so it's it's not always the easiest when people think I'm like raging like the Hulk you know but well he seemed more Hulky when you're on Katie's season and you've softened up through time I was always yeah you're right but it wasn't me stopping up it just showed more soft yeah I don't know I get it I get it all right well this is our sign off I've been Ashley I've been Ben I've been Aaron there we go Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzor.

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