The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Golden Bachelor Got Catfished! It Could Happen To You, So BEWARE!

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

"Golden Bachelorette" hunk, Jonathan Rone, is opening up about his divorce, dating in chapter 2, ....and the time he got catfished while online dating!How is he healing after his breakup earlier this year, and is he off the market again??Plus, Bob finds out if Jonathan was in the running to be the Golden Bachelor. Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Hung for History on the I Heart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Ido Part 2. Of course, I'm one of your celebrity mentors, Bob Guinea. And I'm very excited today because I have Jonathan Rohn, of course, from Jones season of the golden bachelorette. And Jonathan, I'm so excited. to have you back on.

You've recently been in the news a little bit lately, right, with all the stuff going on, and I know you had a little bit of, a little bit of, you know, relationship woes recently. But before we get into any of that stuff, you know, obviously I do part two is a show that's geared around people realizing that there is life after divorce, right? Or life after our relationship ends. And I think maybe for people who didn't watch, you know, your season. of the Golden Bachelorette and things of that nature. They might not know that how you ended up on that show was that, you know,

you had a relationship that split up that you were into in for quite some time. And, you know, tell us a little bit about that, about, you know, what got you to the point where you had a chance to find love the second time around. Oh, gosh, you know, what, I was out there, you know, a single guy, you know, on the dating gaps. And, you know, I guess my, my pictures are. attracted, you know, a certain, I guess, interest or something like that. And, you know, I was contacted and thought about, you know, what do you think about being on the show The Golden Bachelorette? And it came out of the blue, so I was completely blown away. And I thought about it a couple

times. And I thought about how much time I'd have to take off work. Do I really want to put myself out there, so to speak like that, you know, on national TV, looking for love? Because, you know, I'm a pretty private guy, and so that was a big step for me to consider. And I actually said no a couple times, but then I was, I looked at it as that, you know what, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. The opportunity came to me for a reason, and so I was open to explore that. And so I went through the process I signed on, and I opened myself up to see if I could find that chance of love again, and what a way to do it.

Yeah, for sure. definitely not a little more, you know, I used to always say to people when they would say, you know, did you go on all the dating apps and stuff? I said, no, I find love the old-fashioned way on television shows. That's what I do. But what led you up to that? I mean, how long had you been married previously before you got divorced? Like, what was your story there? Yeah, you know, okay, so I was married in 2007. And prior to, prior to meeting my wife at the time, I was single for two years. I just needed to get out of the dating world and, quit, you know, falling in, falling in love and in out of love and things like that.

I just wanted to get myself together, get my heart together, my spirit together, just like, you know, just what are some really good characteristics to be a guy that has integrity and character and things like that to meet the woman of his dreams? And so after two years, a friend of mine introduced me to someone, and it was like love at first sight for me. And so we dated for about 10 and a half months. proposed in Jamaica and she said yes and so that was it so we were married for gosh close to seven years had two kids at the time of the divorce you know my my daughter was I think around

six my son was three and so so that was a difficult transition but we're a really close family now and the kids are doing great but after my divorce I mean I literally I think I I got to the point where I think my heart and spirit healed. And I was like, you know, what I, gosh, what would it be like to date again, you know? Yeah, yeah. And so I think that was like a year and a half or two years before I actually got on the first dating app, which was a Christian mingled dating app. And I ended up getting catfish my first tryouts. No way.

You did not. I actually sent money to Ghana oh no you got to okay well okay you guys explain this to me because I've seen the show on MTV how did you get catfish you're a smart guy clearly you're you're I'm sure you're you're pretty guarded with you know your your heart and everything I mean how did you end up getting into that situation well you know what I had never heard of what catfish was before never knew about the show or anything like that so you know, like I said, I went on Christian Mingo is what it was, you know, because I was thinking, you know, if I'm looking for another second chance of love, I wanted to have some core values of Christianity because I grew up Catholic. And so I, that's part of my faith. And so I wanted to find a woman that would, you know, have those core values. And so I was attracted to this really, really pretty picture profile. And we started communicating. And she was saying that she was from Ghana. She wants to come over. And we can start a relationship. And so I was all in. And I told the guys at work, you know, hey, I think I found someone. I kind of told them that I was on this dating app. And they were just cracking up. They're like, man, you got catfish. You're getting catfish. And I'm like, what is that? And so I checked out the show catfish. I'm like, wow, am I getting catfish? And so I started to read some of the signs. And lo and behold, after I sent the money, I figured that I was catfish because this person, man or woman behind this, behind this.

I was asking like, you know, what wireless service was my telephone and was starting to ask me account information. So I knew. I was like, you know what? Oh, my gosh. I felt at that attempt. Well, that's the word. Now, do you mind me asking how much money did you send?

It was like 60 bucks. Oh, thank God. Okay. So. And Bob, here's the thing. I had did a, I had did a modeling cover or magazine. shoot in Kansas City, which I was on the cover. And I thought, you know, I would send a copy of this magazine with me on the cover over to Ghana. And I shipped it email. So I shipped it via mail.

And so who knows where that ended up. Oh, my gosh. You know, I mean, that probably changes the way you do things now. Now you're immediately on the dating app, first person, you're like, okay, we can FaceTime. Let's FaceTime right now. Right. You know what? You know what? After the show, after I came back from the show, I haven't, I haven't even been on the dating app since. I think it's, yeah, yeah. How do your kids feel about you being back in the dating world? I mean, obviously, you seem like a pretty sensitive guy to me. And my guess would be that you probably, and I say this as a divorced man, I say this

anytime I talk to someone, whether they're thinking about going through divorce or whether they're going through it, I always say, look, I'm just going to say this to you straight up. Divorce sucks. Even if you want, even if you're the person that wants the divorce, trust me and I tell you, it sucks because there's always there's always regret there's always heartbreak there's always especially with children involved i can't you know i i when i was divorced i we didn't have children and so i can't even imagine how the stakes are so much higher there and it's just hurts right i mean no matter how you look at it it hurts yeah yeah there's a certain i was just thinking about that

this morning it's kind of crazy that you're asking me that because there's a there's a certain sense of brokenness i think as a as a father you know because you know when i you know when i when i when I had these ideas of starting a family and, you know, and having kids, it was like, you know, I thought of us being a whole family unit, but now it's a different story. And so, so being, being a single father, so to speak, is that every now and then, even after all this healing that I went through and I feel like, while I'm definitely back of myself now, something will happen that will trigger something. And it triggers that brokenness or that separation, and it brings us sadness or certain sense of sadness,

and that's the part that sucks, you know? Yeah, I get that. I get that totally. That's where the humility and acceptance and accepting life on life terms comes in, and then you just move forward. Man, you're such a sweetheart of a guy, man. I was happy to hear when I heard that you were in a relationship earlier on in the year. I was happy to hear about that, but part of me now, now knowing that it didn't quite work out

and, you know, are you, are you disappointed that, you know, that you missed out on some opportunities like, you know, Bachelor in Paradise and things of that nature that you would have gone on to do, you know, some more of this fun stuff? Because I know you kind of, if I'm not mistaken, you said no thanks because you were already in a relationship and that's why you didn't want to go do that other show, right? Yeah, for the Bachelor of Paradise, I said no thanks because, because I was broken up. You know, our relationship ended like the first of the year.

Okay. 2025 has just not been my year. Oh, man. That's how it started off. And so at the time that the opportunity came my way, I was still going through heartbreak. And I felt that that, you know, being in paradise, it just wasn't sitting well with me. And you know what?

It's like, you know, Bob, to be honest with you, I mean, it's like, you know, I, appreciate the opportunity of being asked like that. But being on the Golden Bachelorette, that opportunity was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me. And I genuinely believed that I opened my heart up to that opportunity to find love. And it didn't work out that way. And so I guess I would say I would be disingenuous if I wanted to go back on a show to find love again because I looked at the Golden Bachelorette as my one opportunity. And I found out what I needed to find out. So it was a great journey. It was a blessed journey, but that journey has ended. And so I was just ready to move on with my life, so to speak. And I think that if I would have put

myself in the Bachelor in Paradise, it would have reopened wounds, so to speak. And I would have thrown away a lot of healing that I just went through. No, I appreciate that. Well, you know, I guess it's probably the best time to tell you that I was calling to tell you that we were going to ask you to be the Golden Bachelor, but it doesn't sound like you're interested. So, Would you ever consider that? I mean, now let me just say this to you because I understand where you're coming from from the disingenuous part. I really do. But I want to say this.

So I think sometimes, you know, you can, because you remind me a little bit and I'm giving myself a very nice compliment here, but you remind myself a little bit of me and how I felt post-divorce. And I feel like, you know, you can be, you can kind of cut yourself off from additional. opportunities because you think that there's the right way and the wrong way to do things. But sometimes you never know, man, maybe second time or third time's a charm, right? So, I mean, if they were to call you and say, hey, we want you to be the Golden Bachelor, do you think you could evaluate that opportunity and look at it from the standpoint of, okay, the last time I did this, I was with 25 guys meeting one woman. That one woman found her soulmate in another person, and I have to respect that.

However, I did open up my heart. I did find that I was open for the opportunity for love. Maybe if I let these incredibly talented producers find 25 women, maybe one of them might be the right person for me and might jive with me, right? Because I mean, I will say, you know, when I was The Bachelor, I did not end up proposing to any of the women on my show, but I was, I loved the fact that I had the opportunity to meet them, and it really made me ready for love.

Like I knew after doing that show, even though I didn't find my person on that show, I realized what I wanted in a partner. And I was trying to be a little more discerning. And, you know, it really kind of almost prepared me for, okay, I'm going to go through this and I'm going to find this person.

So, I mean, it is possible. And I always say to my wife, I say to Canyon all the time, I'm like, Amy, we would have never met if it went for The Bachelor. Now granted, you were in high school when I was on the show. Let's not think about it that way.

Let's think about in the back that many years later, because of those experiences lying up the way they did, I believe in the butterfly effect, you know, had I not done the certain things, I would have never met her. And that may very well be out there waiting for you, you know? I mean, have you ever thought about it that way? Or are you kind of hell bent on, I did it once, I'm never going to do it again? Okay, so what has recently happened in the past few months or so? I think that on one side of your question, I would have loved that opportunity. I think that opportunity was there for me. I was, I guess I would say I was ready for that opportunity.

And I guess you can say I was the cherry on the top, the cherry on the tree that was ripe and ready to be picked. Yeah. And so I, you know, I was anticipating to see if it was going to come my way. And, you know, the things turned out the way that they did. And so, you know, that was my indication, you know, that that opportunity that once a. a lifetime opportunity to be the golden bachelor was either there or it wasn't meant to be.

And so the way things turned out, that just let me know that it wasn't, it wasn't meant to be for me. And that being said, I mean, on one side is like, you know what, if it had been, man, I would have had a blast, man, I would have, I would have had, you know, from the experience of being on the Golden Bachelorette and being familiar with the producers and the background and things like that and just being coming of age of who I was as a guy and where I've grown to be, I think I, I think I would have been, I would have had so much fun and I, you know, I definitely would have been looking for the right person of 25. But now on the other

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And I was like, what is she even talking about? Listen to Viva Betty as part of the MyCultura podcast network, available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. 25, like you said, was not a great starting of the year, but we can help turn this around. I mean, I don't know if you saw, but, you know, one of your mansion, man, Gary, he's, he's in a relationship now. That's exciting. Are you in a new relationship right now? And if not, you know, I mean, we got a lot of female listeners.

I think probably 90% of our listenership and our viewership on this is probably female. And I happen to know that they think you are a pretty good looking dude, my man. And I have a pretty strong indication that there are several women out there listening that would love to meet you. But, you know, we've got, hey, we got the holidays coming up. I get it. I mean, are you in a relationship right now? Are you flying solo? And are you keeping it that way?

Well, you know what? I'm glad that you asked me that because I kind of felt that that was going to happen. You know, so like I had said on a previous podcast, you know, that I tried to do on my best to, you know, with the experience. of, you know, announcing a relationship publicly and what happened after that and just kind of guarding my private life. But I will say, you know, I, you know, Bob, I'll just let you know that I'm a spoken, I'm spoken for. Okay. All right. I like that. I'll just leave it at that. It's like, you know, it just reminds me of it's like, you know, my, my heart is back in a place where, you know, it reminded me of a Christopher Marlowe poem.

Okay. Go something like, go something like it's about the passionate shepherd to his love. He's like, come live with me and be my love. And we will all these pleasures prove that valleys, groves, hills, and fields, woods, or steepy mountains field, or steepy mountains yield. And so that poem just resonates with me because I'm just looking to share my life with someone that's looking to enjoy the simple things this life. It's not about the materialistic. It's not about the money. It's about being connected

with nature and being connected with each other. And so yeah, so yeah. I love it, man. I love it. I love you. I love the way you are. I love your attitude. I love, you're such a kind and gentle dude, man. And I always appreciated that about you. So many of the guys from the Golden franchise, I've loved getting to know over the last several years. And, and, you know, feel like we're friends and feel like, you know, at the end of the day, it's one of those things, you know, we all have this kind of unusual bond of something that we've done that's really weird, right? That, you know, I mean, it's crazy because I did, I did it 20 years ago and it still go on the day, which is bananas to me.

But it's one of those things when you, when you look at it, the experiences are pretty similar, you know, like I always like in Joan's season to the fact that, you know, when I was on Trista season, the guys, we just got along great, you know, like we just, we were truly buddies and and you can see that with you all, you know, with your, your crew, still being friends, still keeping in touch and, you know, and I, it's still root, still genuinely rooting for each other. And you can see that, you know, that's one of the things I love the most about all you guys. And I just think it's pretty awesome to see. How has it been watching this season of the Golden Bachelor, knowing, you know, knowing how close you were to possibly be in that guy?

I mean, how, how interesting is it for you to watch the show unfold this year? Yeah, you know, uh, I've, I've watched. just a little bit. You know, I watched like the premiere, the opening, and then I watched, I think, like, the one episode and then like maybe the half of the second. You know, I, you know, I just got to the point where I just, gosh, like I said, man, 2025 has just been a year of hard knocks, so to speak, spiritually and emotionally. And one of the, one of the things I needed to do for myself and myself care was in a certain sense, kind of disassociate myself from that, you know. sure because you know there was there was so much on the line with you know gosh is the golden bachelor is going to come my way what would happen if it does and blah blah blah and and and thinking that i had a fan base that was supporting that and you know all these emotional highs and lows and and then like you know then when the selection was made it was it was like a it was like a gut punch you know so to yeah yeah and so i had to recover i had to recover from that and part of my

recovery was like, you know, what, I wanted to disengage myself from it. And so, so I've watched a little bit of it, but I've, I've kind of steered away from it not to get so caught up into it. You know, I know that, you know, with, with the, with the, with a statement that kind of made the headlines, you know, I was just, you know, supporting, supporting male, you know, if it was a mistake, you know, that, that, that his apology was genuine, hopefully that it was genuine and that it was accepted by the women as genuine. And then. Yeah. So that he could find, find love. And so that was my main, I think my main push for watching the show for what I see so far.

No, I get it. And I get that disassociation part, too. I think everybody reaches a point where it's kind of like, okay, I need to take a step back. You know, I need to get my real life back in check here. And then maybe I can go back and dabble. I mean, I probably did that as well, you know, at some point along the way. Because, you know, it's when you're married for a couple of years and you're still known as Bachelor Bob, your kids are like, what? It's kind of weird. So sometimes it's like,

you know, I need to pump the brakes on this part of my life for a minute. And I'll come back to it. So I respect that. It's almost like, you know, it's a reality TV show, but it's not reality, you know, because it's in a certain sense, it's not reality. And then, you know, if you do find love and you're and you, you do have a relationship, then that becomes the reality. But then outside of that, it's like, you know, when I, when I go into the dollar, you know, to the local store, here in town. And every now and then, as time has passed, someone will say, hey, aren't you the guy, weren't you the guy on the golden, on the golden bachelorette? And that feels good. Yeah. It almost, it almost takes me out of my reality, so to speak. And it makes me jump back

into that, that world. And it's like, you know what, but I, but I, don't get me wrong, I do like to be, I like the recognition every now and then. I like the spotlight. I think, I think anybody who says they don't. I mean, there's only one guy, and this is God's honest truth, one human being, I say guy, I'll go guy, because I don't know the women as well from the different seasons, but

one guy that I've ever met in the history of this franchise, and I've been around since the first season of the Bachelorette and the fourth season of the Bachelor, only one that I can say genuinely does not want any recognition, genuinely

skirts away from it, and And that's Trista's husband, Ryan Sutter. Ryan is one of the few guys. And if you meet him, you'll see this. He's not, like, anti. It's just he doesn't need it. And the rest of us kind of feed off of it a little bit. Like, I love, like, my wife will go, does it ever get old for you?

And I'm like, no, everyone's always so nice. I love it. You know, it's fun. It's engaging. It keeps me, you know. But it's like, you know, Ryan doesn't need it. Like, Trista and I will go to events with Ryan and my wife. And the two of them will go off and watch us walk the red carpet and do our

thing and it's funny you know so i get it it's like it's like you know and who knows maybe i was going to ask you two questions about this the person you're seeing and i and obviously we're going to keep that kind of low key um do you think the two of you have a lot of similarities from personality perspective um is she even more private than you is she more out there than you more personal like what what is what is the vibe there oh yeah definitely definitely more definitely more private and it's like, you know, what is, um, you know, uh, and, and she has, she has such a wonderful heart. It's like, you know what? She, uh, she looked in, she put in consideration of, you know, I'm still associated with the show. I've still got like

14,000, 15,000 or gosh, 15,000 followers, like you said, are mostly women. And so there's, yeah, yeah. So she has to, she's dealt with that, you know. And, uh, and, and, and, and, the anxiety that she's gotten from that. And so her heart went out to, you know, previous, you know, my previous relationship, you know, that the anxiety that she probably went through. And I never really looked at it from that perspective because I'm like, I was enjoying the limelight. I enjoyed, like, putting myself out there.

But she, she made me look at it this way. Well, what if the shoes were on the other foot? and she was she's got 15,000 guys that are messenger telling her you know how hot she looks and things like that how would I feel and I never thought of it that way and so so we have the mutual respect and understanding about that and yeah that's a really really core value that we do have that with each other no that's nice I mean at the end of the day that's one of those things you kind of got to have some type of agreement and understanding you know like There definitely is additional pressures there.

There's no question, you know. So I definitely, I understand that. It's one of these things that I've learned it, even in my golden years of 62, boundaries. Yeah. I never considered boundaries and how important boundaries are. And that's a boundary, you know? Sure. When a woman, when a woman opens her heart up to you and wants to open up more to you,

and you got to know what the boundaries are. Yeah. Well, that's nice. Yeah. It's nice to be respectful of that. I mean, you know, so that's obviously something that people need to take more seriously. Let's get into a couple just lighthearted questions because I know you've been around a little bit now. You've dated a lot, you know.

I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on this. So, you know, obviously people as we get older, I'm 54, you're 62, people as we get older, things shift, right? Things get a little bit different for us after a certain age. What are some things that you think in your experience of dating? Obviously, I think boundaries is one of them that that should be more important, right, and recognizing those and respecting those. What are some things after the age of 50 while dating that you think people should lighten up a little bit on? Like, are there any things that you encountered where you were just like, what are you doing? You know, like let it go or anything like that that maybe kind of struck you as after a certain age, we should probably kind of chalk that one up.

Anything out there that makes you think like that? Gosh, you know what? I think maybe the intentionality, I think, you know, I think if you want to go into a relationship or go into the dating world, know what your intentions are. Are you looking for? Are you looking to date? Are you looking to date around? You know, and that person, that other person needs to know that. If they're open for that, then that kind of leads to lightheartedness. But then there's the, intentionality is like, you know what, are you looking to get married? That changes the whole, that changes the whole script of things, you know? Sure. And so like I was thinking about

intentionality the other day. I don't even know why I think about sometimes I think about metaphors. They help me like put things in perspective. I was thinking intentionality as far as like getting married or finding someone to marry is almost like, you know, when you book a plane somewhere to the most, the most romantic destination you want to go to. Are you going to book direct? Are you going to have connecting flights? For me, for me, intentionality, if you're looking to find that one person, it's almost like booking a direct flight. You know point A, you know point B. So I'm at the point now that at 62 with, you know, with dating before married and then getting divorced and then dating after divorce and then the relationships after the show,

I'm not looking for connecting flights. I'm not looking for baggage. I'm not looking to see if I'm going to lose any luggage in the transition. I'm looking for a direct flight. A direct flight. Yeah, you're going point A to point B. I like that. I mean, and that's true.

You know, I've often said a lot about like with the Golden Franchise, one of the things, like, for example, with Gary and Therese, for example, where I thought they kind of, you know, missed on it was I thought, man, you know, why? And here again, I mean, it's obviously something that's important to you, too. Like, it sounds like you do want to be married again, or you at least want to have that committed companionship with someone. You know, for them, I was like, they got grandkids, you know, in different places.

Like, it's going to be really hard to get married and leave your grandkids. Like, you know, I guess every situation's different and everybody's different with what they need of a relationship. And, you know, those things have to be weighed and measured and you have to think about them. And like you said, they have to be respected. When you hear people say things like, like kind of superfluous things like, oh, you know, I would not date a guy who's under six foot and I will not date a guy who's, you know, over 70, you know, do you think that kind of stuff, isn't that getting kind of ridiculous at this point? Or do you think that it's one of those things where love is love and

if you find it, you find it and you're lucky no matter how it's packaged? Yeah, I think that I think it is pretty ridiculous if you put those kind of like measures on yourself because you may be look, you may be cutting out the great opportunity to meet the best person in your life, you know. Yeah. And like you said, love, love, love is love. And love knows, I mean, once Cupid draws back that arrow, man, knee shoots. It's like, you know what?

You don't know what hits you. And you might be looking for the specific person, height, age, hair color. And then all of a sudden, someone comes out of the blue. and you're like, what the hell happened? Yeah, well, sounds like that's what happened to you. You were pretty much bound to determine 2025 was going to be a disaster. Oh. And now you've kind of already started that turnaround process, and it sounds like finding someone special.

And, you know, I'm sure, you know, with the age your kids are at, too, now I've kind of done. I'm a pretty good math guy. So I'm guessing they're, what, late teens, probably? My daughter, my daughter is 17. She's a senior in high school now. and she and her team are killing it on the volleyball court. They're 36 and 0 so far this year. What?

Oh my gosh. We haven't even lost one set. Wow. My son is 13. He's going to be 14 here next month. And he's in the seventh grade. So yeah, they are growing. And yeah, so it's like, you know what?

You know, I've had my fair shake at the relationships. And, you know, Bob, it's like, you know what? I've always, I don't want to say I'm naive at love, but it's like, you know what, I just, when I fall in love, I fall hard and I fall fast. And so, you know, what's happening now is that we're taking our time. I have someone in my life that's saying, you know what, slow down, you know. Yeah. We often think we know our type in dating, tall, funny, a certain job,

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I had my daughter when I was 46. 46, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I had, you know, my first child, you know, we, we have our first child when I was 48, and then in my second when we were 50. So, I mean, you're kind of in a weird, a different spot from a dating divorce guy.

who's technically golden, right? Because most of the goldens, I guess, would have probably majority if they've got kids, they're probably married with kids and they're grandpas. You're not, right? You got kids in high school. So you got younger kids still. So does that factor in when you're dating? Like, do you, how soon do you tell the story of your divorce?

How soon do you bring up the kids? When do they get to meet the kids? Like how, I mean, is there some hard, fast rules for you on that stuff? Like I said, with the intentionality, all that, all that kind of came out in the beginning conversations. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, you know, exactly who you are, who I am, what's going on in your life.

And then just like, you know, then you have the, then you have the choice of whether you want to continue to go on and go on with that or not. And so, so yeah, so there's continuity there. And, and so like, it was kind of funny, though, like, when the show was like, you know, when, you know, being golden and it was, and people had found out that I had younger kids. Yeah. I was just cracking up with some of the comments because they were thinking that my kids were like, you know, they're like, well, who's going to want to date a guy that's got, you know, they're going to take care of his kids, like, like their infants or toddlers. I'm like, no, what, you know, my daughter's in high school. My son's going to be in high school, like, the next year's. You know what? I'm pretty much close to being an empty nester. I mean, I'm like basically, basically five years away. And so meeting someone with the intentionality of like knowing that, hey, I'm looking at a five years. window basically of, you know, getting my kids through school, when they're off and doing their

own thing, it's like, you know what, if we've already built a five-year relationship and I'm ready to spread my wings and relocate somewhere, then we've already got a good foundation for that beginning to happen. Yeah, no, I make sense to me. I get it. And I was thinking about that because, I mean, not that I'm planning on, you know, getting divorced, but I would be that guy, right? I'd be, you know, when I'm 62, I mean, geez, when I'm 62, that would be, what, eight years for me, Grayson would be 14, you know, Blake would be 12, so it would be right in that same, you know, wheelhouse, I guess, a little bit younger for you than what you've got, but yeah, well, I mean, at the end of the day, I would have to imagine that a lot of the

relationship qualities that you're looking for, you know, I would imagine, you're looking for someone with some empathy, you're looking for someone with a big heart, someone who, you know, is willing to allow you to be yourself, but also isn't afraid to let you know what they need from you. And it sounds like she's done that and you're perfectly capable and happy with the way things are going. So for that, I'm so excited to hear. I mean, you're such a great guy and I love seeing you happy, buddy. And you can tell that you found someone who is making you happy. So, you know, good for you. And here's the thing too, Bob, with the with the intentionality and kind of knowing what we both are looking for, it kind of spares me in a sense that if we find out

that maybe it's not meant to be, but we've got that this opportunity to be friends. What happens, though, is that what has happened in my previous relationships is that jumping in fast and falling out fast is really, really destroys my heart and spirit. This last relationship, man, I mean, And it really, it really, really hurt. And so it gives me the opportunity to say, you know, I'd look back and say, you know what, if I don't want to feel that kind of, that kind of pain again, then, yeah, maybe I do need to take it slow when I find that person again, you know? Yeah.

What are those boundaries and what are those intentions and things like that? Because if, if we find out, you know, after getting to know each other and kind of knowing what we're walking into and what we both want, but if it doesn't work out, at least we know that we can walk away friends and I won't feel like I'm falling off a cliff somewhere with the right, you know. Yeah, I get that. I mean, that's kind of part of it too. Like I always think about that with people, you know, that are dating, that are single with children, you know, you never want to take your kids down that path too often either, right? So it's like, God forbid, you keep introducing them to everybody that you think's going to be the next great thing and that person's

gone and now that your kids are like, you know, what's going on? You know, I'm sure it's confusing. So, you know, good for you on, on being a little more protective of that. You know, I think it's hard when you're, I mean, because I get it. You know, you fall in love and you think this is it. This is the greatest thing in the world. And then now we probably have a little bit of time. You have that retrospect where you can look back and you're like, okay, I can see why this didn't work, right? And I'm going to change this moving forward. I'm going to do something different this next time around. And, you know, so I think for, well, one thing I think is kind of great is now that you and Gary are both dating.

I mean, you know, you guys roll into Detroit, we'll grab Canyon. Well, I'll go out on a double date. We'll go to triple date. Triple date. What do you say? Yeah, when are you guys swinging through the D-town? Anytime soon? The Motor City needs you, buddy.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I've never been to Detroit. Oh, buddy. That's a loss. Well, I will say this. If you haven't been able to get here before about the middle of November, wait till spring. The winners are brutal.

How about this? Because I do think you're someone who would, you strike me as someone who would give very good advice. Do you have any parting words, you know, anything that you could say to people out there who, you know, I think are going through divorce or going through a relationship breakup and who are, you know, maybe feeling a little helpless right now or maybe feeling a little bit defeated, you know, anything that you could share with them. Because, I mean, you even said, one of the things you said that I didn't really touch on, but I heard it. And I don't want you to think I didn't. But I heard you say, you know, you were beginning to wonder if there was something wrong with you. And maybe, you know, you weren't, you know, not lovable, not feeling, you know, I get why people feel that when they're going through those hard times. And I've definitely been there myself.

But any advice that you have now that you're where you're at right now, emotionally and spiritually and everything else that you could give people while they're going through a dark time like that? I also tell you, the advice I would give is that, you know what? you know, I understand that love is not for the fainted heart. You know, it's a wonderful feeling to fall in love. It's a wonderful feeling to be in love. But when it happens, when it, when things end suddenly or they just stop, it hurts. And it's a human emotion. And it's like, you know what, it's an emotion to embrace.

It's an emotion to feel. You know, and as difficult as it is, you know, if you get to the point where you're, you know, isolating, you know, reach out to one of your closest friends that you feel that you can confide in, that you can say whatever you need to say to that person and trust that they're not going to repeat anything, but that you are able to get something out to someone, that you can get something out of your heart to share with someone. And so that's part of the healing process. And so you definitely need to take time for yourself. For me, I'm a pretty spiritual guy. And so, you know, I relied on a lot of a,

prayer and meditation and then when I do get isolated I try to get out of the house or I go to the gym it's tough to even it's tough to even want to go into the gym to work out when you're feeling like that yeah yeah well because you feel like everybody's you know kind of happier than you and looking at you sideways like what's wrong with that dude you know or whatever I get it yeah I've been there well once you start taking those steps on the cardio machine or you start lifting those weights that resist and exercise you get those kind of like endorphins going inside of you, and you start feeling a little physical strength back, you know, because you've probably been laying around, you probably haven't been eaten, eaten, and so you're probably physically weak.

And so when you start putting nutrition back in your body and you start working out and getting out a little bit, you strengthen your body and your mind and your soul, and then just take your time, you know, don't try to rush back into things, you know, it's like, you know, you can't rush being happy, you know. Right, right. I want the gratification of instant happiness. But happiness is a result, is a byproduct of doing esteemable things. You know, I know that when I felt low and brokenhearted and, you know, I felt like my

self-esteem was just really, really low. And a good friend of mine told me is that, you know what, when you're going through stuff like that, do esteemable things. Whether it's as simple as, you know what, if you've just been letting your dishes pile up in the sink, because you know, you know, You don't have the energy or spirit to wash your dishes. Go wash your dishes. Yeah.

Go clean the sink. Go wash your car. I love to vacuum. Vacuuming is one of my. Hey, that's what I do every day. It's my therapy. I love to vacuum. Yeah.

I knew I liked you. I'm a big vacuum guy. You know, I think, you know, like what you said earlier, I think, you know, you and I think, like, a kindred spirit. It's like, almost like, you know, we're like spitting image, image of mirrors of each other, you know? Oh, my God. If I'm a mirror, buddy, I've never been better looking then. Thank you for that. You're a handsome man, brother.

I'll take it. I appreciate it. No, I'm just, I'm making life. But no, thank you. I definitely think that. I mean, a lot of the things you've said today, and in your past interviews, too, when I've seen them pop up, I mean, they resonate. You know, I think we've all been there.

People hate to admit it that they've been there. But, you know, I was fortunate enough to find some great people to talk to. You know, I, I mean, I went to therapy. I, you know, I wasn't afraid. to lean on that and it wasn't a bad word for me. In fact, it helped me quite a bit to, you know, I used to jokingly say my mom and I just took a little trip with my mom this past weekend. I told her, I said, you know what they say, Mom, if it isn't one thing, it's your mother. And she just starts laughing. I'm like, just kidding, just kidding. But it was funny because,

you know, I had such a great childhood growing up and I had, you know, so part of me was like, you know, well, gosh, why am I not able to find a successful relationship, you know? And And I think a lot of it was based on my expectations and needing to find the right person who was willing to let me be me, but was also willing to call me out when I needed it. And I think I found that. And it's like, you know, and it's one of those things that sometimes it takes some of us longer than others, right? So, I mean, from that perspective, as long as you're never going to stop looking for whatever

will complete you in whatever way you need to be completed, I think that's part of the process too. And I love to hear that you're doing that. And I love that you found someone that, you know, is, is filling your cup, you know. So good for you, my friend. Nothing, nothing can make me happier than to see you happy. And, Bob, check this out. There's something new that I was introduced to that I never knew in any of my previous

relationships. The five stages of love. Are you familiar with those? No, I know the five stages of grief. I don't know the five stages of love. This is good. Okay, so the five stages of love, if I can remember them correctly. So the first stage is, you know, the obvious one.

It's like you meet someone spectacular and you're like heads over heels over each other and everything is lovey-dovey and all this other stuff, holding hands, kissing, and whatever the case may be. Step two is the, step two is the critical stage that I found out that a lot of people get stuck in and can't get out of. And then that's where a lot of great relationships probably end. It's the stage where, you know, you're starting to really get to know that person. some of those important questions that need to be asked, once they're asked, either you put up

your walls of defensiveness and you walk away or you get into little arguments or whatever and you can't get past stage two. Yeah. So that's where a lot of people get stuck. And then the third stage is, the third stage is that, you know, you know, you pretty much got it handled. You got out of stage two. Everything is great.

Then stage four is like, you know, you can really imagine your life with this person. You start doing things where you're actually building your life with that person. you understand who that person is. And then stage five is that that's, that's, that's, that's the honeymoon stage basically right there, is that you are, you are going to spend the rest of your life with that person, stage five. One of the things that I, one of the things that I, I remember when I was, after going through the divorce, I mean, I was like sitting in the car by myself, just brokenhearted.

And I was in, uh, in downtown Omaha. And I saw walking down the street. this couple, I think they must have been in their 90s, I mean, but they were in great shape walking down the street. But they were walking hand in hand. And I was thinking, as old as they are, they're still walking hand in hand. So they obviously have been in stage five for a long time. They got past stage two. So I would say to anyone that's maybe going through something right now, think of it, look at it at a stage two. This is a difficult stage that if you really care about that person, and you really think that you want to spend more time and maybe your

lifetime with that person, you've got to get out of stage two. Answer those difficult questions. Humble yourself and expose yourself and be really, really vulnerable. No, I love that, man. Speaking of being vulnerable, I mean, thank you for sharing. I mean, you know, this is stuff that I know isn't easy to talk about all the time. And so I really appreciate you being on the pod with us. I really appreciate you sharing that and sharing your feelings and your experiences.

You know, a lot of people relate to you, man. And I think whether it's, you know, because you're a sweet and kind person or whether you put it out there or whatever it might be, you know, there's a lot of people that aren't deserving of the attention they get. And I always thought that you were and I think that you are. And I appreciate you. So I'm glad that you were willing to come on the show and talk about this and be vulnerable and be open about it and share where you're at with things. I think I'm not the only one who's sitting here really happy for how things are shaping up for your 2020. as you roll into 2026, given that it started like a disaster. So I'm really happy to hear about the rebound.

Well, man, it's good to be back on the show with you. It's good to see your face and your smile and your dimple. Man, you know, you know, you've got one hell of a dimple too, my brother. Oh, I know. We got money. I'm telling you, man. We've got to figure out the top part of this, but otherwise, we're twins. Just shave it.

Just shave it off. You'll enjoy it. Oh, no. I'm pretty fortunate right now. I was thinking about the other day when my buddy's like, I know you color your hair. I said, I swear to you, I've never colored my hair. He's like, you're 54. You have no gray's.

I'm like, oh, buddy, I've got gray's. I just got really thick hair. You just aren't seeing them yet. Trust me, get close enough. But, no, thank you, buddy. I love you being on the show. I'm happy for your happiness. I hope we can connect sometime soon.

Well, Bob, you know what? It's good to see you. It's good to see you. I love, I love seeing the images of you with your family and your kids. Oh, thank you, buddy. It's like, you know what? It's like, you know, when I see that, you know, when I see you, it's like, you know what, I love that.

I love seeing your happiness with your family. And so just keep it up, my brother. Thank you, brother. Same to you, Jonathan Rohn, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us, buddy. All right. And for everybody else out there, I mean, let us know. You know, if you're ready to date again, you need some help navigating your dating landscape.

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