The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Golden Fantasy

Episode Date: November 18, 2023

It’s time for Fantasy Suites on The Golden Bachelor and Gerry is feeling it! We break down why Gerry’s “next morning hangover” might have changed Ben and Ashley’s predictions for who will get the final rose, and we analyze why his connection with Leslie might not have been as strong as we thought! Plus, find out who might become the first Golden Bachelorette!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have Shiree coming on. Sheree is incredibly accomplished. She has led a city. She has been awarded Miss Senior World. I mean, we have a guest, a rock star, really, in our midst. And we cannot wait to talk to her about her thoughts on the Fantasy Sweet Week. But before we bring her on, Ashley and myself have our thoughts. Ashley, uh, what, okay, to me, this episode was,

one, I was gripped by, I was into, and here's what I love, Ashley. Here's what I love. The drama of this episode was not people necessarily being intentionally mean to somebody else. No roast in this episode? No roast. The drama is in the emotion, and I love it. Yeah, seriously. If you guys don't know, Ben had a huge issue with the roast that happened during the Bachelor in Paradise episode. We talk about it during our Bachelor in Paradise Recap episode. Yeah, you're right.

This is like some, this is some good love drama. I don't know, like, what is my takeaway from this? Overall, this episode made me like Teresa more, saw her more as an contender. And I still feel more physical chemistry, though, with Gary. and Leslie. Okay, a couple of rapid fire questions, kind of out of the blue to get this thing started. One would be, do you see any of these last two women potentially being the next golden bachelorette if we were to have one?

I still think that if there's a golden bachelorette, it's going to be faith. Okay. I feel like everybody was rooting for faith. I mean, I think it was just such a shocker that she'd be the bachelorette. So you don't think any of these two women will be the next bachelorette. Ashley, do you think the the way that Gary handled the Fantasy Suite week

was I've never really heard I mean there's not in least in recent memory Juan Pablo obviously said something during fantasy suites that really threw him off do you just feel like he handled this like most leads do or was there an element different to you? That's a good question.

I actually think that like a lot of leads handle it well. So I think he probably handled it even better than mostly it's just because he has just the life experience. But as we'll talk about when we get on the phone with Sheree, I do think that he may have led the ladies on a bit too much. So my final kind of random question for you, did this episode live up to everything you were hoping for when it comes to fantasy suites and the Golden Bachelor? It really, it did. It did. Okay. Let's dive into it now. We start out that... I wish I could elaborate. Did it live up for you? Because you're the one, you know, that's been, you know, the biggest fan of the show. Not to say that I'm not, but... I think it did. I mean, I, for me, what I wanted to see in this episode was them taking the time to explore their relationship without cameras. I don't know how it spits them out yet.

So I can't really say because there's a lot of things left unsaid when it comes to kind of the breakdown of the two evenings. They both seem great. They both seem fine. But they always, you know, if they go reasonably well, they seem fine and great. And you still really don't know what's going on in Gary's head or really the women's head. I think we saw the dynamics of both women coming into this very excited. And I think we saw Gary getting very overwhelmed. probably more overwhelmed than the show showed.

I think Gary was a mess of emotions and I think a mess of exhaustion, honestly. Fantasy Suites Week is tiring. No matter what you're doing behind closed doors, you're up late, you're not sleeping much, you're talking as much as you can because obviously even if you are, you know, entering into intercourse, it ain't taken six hours. you have a lot of time to talk. Yes. There is one other thing I'd like to mention.

The two storylines are so separate with the women. You have one woman who's never even felt like she's had like a great love, never been able to comfortably say, I want to spend the rest, or I will be spending the rest of my life with you. Then there's another woman who is more in his boat, where she's a widow and she may have never expected, another love again.

Do you find one more compelling than the other? Do you find that their backgrounds play a role in who he's going to pick? I don't know if it plays a role in who he's going to pick, because I think you have two very different dynamics. If he wants to be Leslie's first real love, then that's something that would be maybe intriguing to him. if he wants to have a partner who understands what it's like to love again, then he would, you know, pick Teresa.

I think it just makes the women who they are in a lot of ways. Like you see kind of their behaviors, their characteristics, their personality shine through their life experiences. And I do, I mean, one of the reasons why I've been so much in the Teresa camp since the beginning. And this doesn't take away from Leslie's abilities. it's just life experience is Teresa will have a built-in empathy that Leslie cannot have because she has not experienced loss.

Teresa will be able to understand what it's like maybe on a random day when Gary starts crying because it's the anniversary of his late wife and it's just filling him up and she still loves him and she will sit beside him in that because she gets it too. And so, you know, I think for Teresa there is maybe an emotional connection. And I think for Leslie, it's always been, not only emotional connection, I think they get along great. And I think they care about each other a ton. But it's also been a very physical connection. Leslie has always been our sex panther. She's always been sexy. She's always been very kind of forward. And she's, so it's just two different women. And now it's,

what does he want for this next stage of his life? Here are the two moments that are a little bit that confuse us as to who he's going to pick he tells to he tells leslie trista told me something he said you have to find the woman who you can't live without not the one you can live with and then he says i think you're that one i have to have coffee with you every morning and i have to have you when i go to bed at night like that is huge if that's how he feels towards leslie and what he says to her on the first date of the week, why would he go and say, I love you to Teresa in the fantasy suite?

Does he change his mind in his fantasy suite with Teresa? That's the big question. Because I think leading into this episode, it seems quite obvious that Leslie's the frontrunner, but then it changes. I think there's a little bit of understanding of where Gary's at. And I know from our perspective, it seems like he's leading him on. And in a sense, he is.

And I'm sure he's not exactly sitting watching this being like, I'm so glad I did this to both of them because one of these women is going to end up being hurt. However, this, you know, based on my experience on the show, this is a part that's always very interesting to me because what I think Gary's doing is being as authentic as he knows how to based on his previous life experience. typically when you care about somebody and they're sharing that one yeah well you're when you when they share with you hey i love you the response is a really you know if you feel the same way it's really hard

to be like that sounds great no you respond with a i love you too and i think also there's an element here where for gary especially and i can't necessarily relate with this he's overwhelmed with a feeling that he has not been used to in many, many years. He has two women that I generally think he cares about, that I generally think he could see the rest of his life with. And as a result, he doesn't know how to navigate it. There's no roadmap, as he said, to how to do this well or what to say and not to say. You just get thrown in it. And so I watch this and I say, Gary is a mess. And I like it. For television purposes, I love it. I think he's in it. I think he's doing it. I think he's involved in it. I think he's feeling everything he can possibly feel. From a real life perspective, I think it's going to be

really painful for Gary and the last two women. Both of them, honestly, I think one woman who he chooses is going to have a lot of stuff to have to figure out. I do think Teresa would be more prepared to kind of navigate that with him than Leslie would. But however, both women are going to be hurt because they're going to have to watch Gary say this on national television. And then at the same time, one of them's going to be going home and she's going to be confused to why she's going home when Gary said,

this could be the next first morning of the rest of my life. And, hey, I think you're the one that I can't live without. So both women now have a verbal confirmation from Gary that is not just I care about you and I love you. It is, after this, I see my life with you. I know. So one of the things I want to, to talk about Ashley about this scenario is I did feel and Jessica did feel that there was a

disconnect between Leslie and Gary more than Teresa and Gary the next morning. It felt like the the closeness of their relationship going into that night. Like I was watching this going there is zero chance he's not choosing Leslie. In fact, Jessica says, are you going to be sad when he chooses Leslie? And I said, no, I like Leslie. I just always thought it was going to be Teresa, because I was so convinced, like, what in the world's happening here? But the next morning, Jessica looked at me and she actually said at first, she said, hey, Gary seems distant. I said, hey, after a good old, you know, friend Little Wayne, once you do it, you come to your senses

a little bit. Oh, my God. Ben, wait, really? I thought maybe he just had the like next morning kind of like hangover where like his mind is swirling he's like wait I don't know what I just did I haven't done this in a while that it was so great and now like I'm I'm getting some clarity like that is that is a thing um it is a thing however you like you think like oh my gosh like the excited because she like you said she's kind of like the sex panther once like the sex was had and that was out of his system, then things clarified whether or not it's like an emotional and mental match. Yeah, I do. Do you agree? Disagree? I have to, before making

comment, rewatch the morning scene to see if it's, if I really truly feel like it's that distant. We felt distance. I'll say that. So that was my perspective as I felt distance the next morning. So interesting. It's a thing, Ashley. It's a thing. It's a good, it's a good teller of when you found the right one. Because when you find the right one, you know, you high five and you're like, let's try it again tomorrow or tonight or in two hours. This was awesome.

Let's go make breakfast. You're like, oh, it's great, but it's out of my system. Yeah. Oh, no. I don't know if I can do this again. Because the lead up is so, there's the most fun part, right? Exactly. I, it's, it's a thing.

I can't say it was the thing that caused it. It's a theory that I'm placing on that next morning. Is this a guy thing or a girl thing too? Or do you think it's predominantly a guy thing? I know. I know. I don't even know why I asked you that. Because Jess and I are obviously in a situation where we can't really answer it either,

as we were not really so sexually experienced. I would imagine it's both. I would imagine there is that, you know, I'd imagine it's an element for both. and, you know, I know from my, like, from being a man, it is, you know, a thing. I don't know from a woman's perspective if it is a thing or not, but I would imagine it is in some, maybe some different way, or you'd explain it some different way. Little Wayne has a saying in one of his songs that explains it pretty well.

So, I don't know, Ash. I felt it. We'll see. It's a theory, but we should see if maybe Sheree feels the same way. I want to ask her because obviously she is in the age group that would be on the show. She would maybe understand a little more. And she's maybe reading into things that you and I wouldn't be based on our lack of life experience. So let's bring her on now.

We'll dive into the episode. We'll dive into what we think's next. We'll dive into who she thinks, you know, Gary's going to end up with. Sheree. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin.

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kind of their opinions and their thoughts on The Golden Bachelor. We have Cherie this week. Cherie, can you explain to our audience how we know you? How do we come in contact with you? Why are we so lucky to have you on our podcast? Hi, I'm from beautiful. Port Angeles, Washington, former mayor, former Miss Senior USA, and Miss Senior Washington World. And I'm just a lady who loves adventure, who loves romance, and absolutely adore Barry from the Golden Bachelor.

So I'm really happy to talk with you. First of all, you are from Twilight Zone. Like literally, the Twilight Capital of the world. I'm so jealous. I want to take a trip there one day. please come we'll roll out the red carpet i was the mayor of twilight i was mayor during the twilight um series i'm a big fan i actually i'm team edward i want you to know of course of course as all people really should be no offense to our friend and sweet sweet

man taylor lotner we love taylor but you know when a guy sparkles it just makes your heartthrob what can i say goodness gracious all right we have so okay before we get into the golden bachelor. And you were the mayor for how many years? Fort Angeles, Washington. I served on the city council for 12 years. I'm the only woman ever to serve three consecutive terms, and I turned out. So now I'm doing fun things.

I'm still volunteering in my community because that's the heart of our community as volunteers. But I modeled in New York Fashion Week in September. I'm in three fashion magazines. And I'm watching the Golden Bachelor, and I'm talking to you, which is the highlight of my year. You must know that. Oh, please. You have way too much going on for this to be a highlight. And you were, so you were Miss Senior Washington?

Well, yes, Senior World, Washington. Yes, because, you know what? Life doesn't need to stop or change because I'm breaking barriers for, for women of all ages, because if you didn't know how old you were, what would you do? What would your goals be? And so we're just ignoring that, and we're working on attitude, energy, experience, and just really looking for opportunities for women of all ages. Oh, you're inspiring. Now, what's your relationship status?

I'm married to my nearly perfect husband, Sweet Bob, and he supports me, and I'm very grateful. He's the first man in my life who supports and encourages me and doesn't feel threatened. In fact, my name, Sherry Kidd, is he proposed to me, and he has a lovely Norwegian name, and I said, I love your name, but I have 300-yard signs that say, for counsel and I can't change now. So I kept my maiden name and he, he's just got a great sense of humor and it's a good partnership, so I'm lucky, yeah. How many years married?

Yeah. 17 years and he's a former Marine, so politically, he's not always diplomatic, but he, I call him my nearly perfect husband. He is nearly perfect. Well, I mean, there's so much you've, just said at the beginning of this that I cannot wait to talk to you about when it comes to the Golden Bachelor. So before we get into kind of breaking down this episode specifically,

yes. And there's some big topic, Sherry. I hope you're, if you're uncomfortable speaking about physical intimacy suites, the admissions of love, then let us know and we'll just bypass it. But there are some really interesting things I'd love to get your opinion on. But before we get into that. I really am interested in your overall thoughts on the Golden Bachelor. So as the season Howe is coming to an end and it's been a whole new project, obviously for the Bachelor franchise. We've seen things happen on the show and stories told that we've never seen before. Would you, I guess, say that this show is breaking barriers in the way that you hoped it would? actually they took a big chance on doing the gold a bachelor it was either going to be a hit or a flop and it's a hit and so i i commend um i really commend the people who found mary because he's really the total package of of women who are older than you know the 20 year olds are looking for one thing um the ladies who are experienced and more mature

You're looking for something else. And to me, Gary's the total package. He retired at 55, so financially he's stable. He has a loving family. He had one marriage. And for 43 years, and let me tell you, his wife trained him well. Whoever the lucky lady gets him, he's well trained, he's domesticated, and he's ready to settle down to be a good husband.

He looks good. Pickleball is the most. This growing sport for seniors in the world, and it's fun and social. He, he, that's the first, I've watched The Bachelor since the first season, okay? And this is the first bachelor who cries when someone doesn't get a rose. He cries. He's so sweet. He's so sweet.

He's a great communicator, too. He has emotions. He has feelings. He has humor. And he appears to be a good kisser. I can tell you that. So, you know, so it's been fun to watch. It's been fun to watch. In fact, from the beginning, I put my money on face. She just came out. So did I. You know, tossed her hair and she just, she's a doll. So she got the first rose. And she really made him weak. the knees the first night that she sang to him. So that she kind of started off really strong. I didn't see Teresa coming. It's kind of like a horse race. And you know, Teresa came from the back and she just kept moving up, kept moving up, kept moving up. So I've been amazed at Teresa's progress too. So he's down to two interesting ladies, two wonderful ladies. And so it was

fun last night. It was a fun episode to watch. It was very, very interesting in many ways. What is your takeaway from just last night's episode? Like, what do you leave thinking was going to happen next week? Well, so last night was fantasy suites. Yeah. Mary is a widow. He hasn't been involved in a romantic relationship for a long time. My first thought was they had him back to back and consecutive nights with fantasy sweets and didn't give him a breather. I think he probably needed a breather because he spent the night with Leslie

and he went into it. They had a nice date and they repelled down this cliff, which frankly would be very frightening to any of us if you're not someone who does that normally. I mean, you look down and it looks like you're going into the depths of the earth. And she was scared. I was scared watching it.

And if you had roped me up, I would have, you know, that's to me, was that a game changer? Do you say, nice to know you, Gary, I'm out of here, or, okay, let's do this. She sucked it up. She did it and, you know, points for Leslie for actually repelling down that scary cliff. And then he went on to say, well, she's got rose color glasses. She hasn't asked me any hard questions. And I think that's important. If you're talking about not a TV show, not a dating situation, you're talking about marriage.

You need to ask the hard questions. And so they started getting into that. What's interesting is he says easily to Leslie, I love you. He doesn't do that to Teresa. He never has. And on the home dates, on the home dates, Leslie's family said, are you in love? He said, yes, a big smile. Teresa's just didn't get it out.

So I've been paying attention to that. But he had such a lovely overnight with Leslie that he was just in, he was just in, was glowing he was in that he was in it with leslie and too soon here's teresa riding horses and he's still overwhelmed with his romantic night with leslie which really put him in a place where how do you switch gears like that so fast he couldn't i wonder what it would have been like if he if they switched and if teresa went first well let me tell you Teresa realized he was quiet and she realized he'd had had an opportunity to be with Leslie. So this is the first time I was impressed with Teresa.

The girl brought it. She realized he was quiet and she was following someone else who was amazing. So Teresa started selling. I mean, she brought it. She said, she said, oh, I know you're thinking about her, but let's see. you must still be kind of quiet. So let's talk about our future. Let's talk about being together.

Let's talk about holidays together. Teresa, who never impressed me as being that aggressive. The girl just absolutely came out. So he didn't know anything about her career. She showed a whole different side of herself yesterday. I look at her differently now after she talked about her career as well. so she was far more accomplished than anyone realized she had come across early in the season frankly even a little naive i mean you know with the thing with kathy and she just seemed

a little naive that boom she comes across as a strong capable woman and it's like whoa and then she's talking about their future together and their their bond and and i was like who is this woman And she's just, and then in the morning, he said, this is the first day of the rest of my life. That was huge. So I think Teresa did well. Teresa definitely did well. And I wanted to clarify that, like, love homemakers. My mom was a stay-at-home mom.

I just liked the way her demeanor changed when she talked about her business. Yeah. I do too. I do too. She came across a very capable, very intelligent. She came across as a woman, woman who gets it done and who can take her situation and prove herself to do what she needs to do. But she kept referring back to Gary and the way they could do things together. Now, Leslie, the beautiful girl from Minneapolis, he said, you know, are you going to, well, let's talk about our life together. Where are we going to be?

Where are we going to live? I mean, if we're married, this is a hard question. Leslie cannot leave Minneapolis permanently. And she said, we'll figure it out. Well, honey, you better figure it out before the ring goes on. He liked that they would figure it out together. He said that's what he wanted to hear. Yeah, he did.

He likes that. But if you're looking at situations, those things you need to know because she is so established in Minneapolis with her family, that's something they need to work out before the wedding because those kind of things are stressors on a relationship. So I thought, yeah. So anyway, last night I totally flipped on Teresa with her ability and her selling herself.

and they obviously had she obviously got rid of the ghost of Leslie in the fantasy suite I know you know the girl brought it that's all I can say you know there's a few things that I want to touch on with you you know this show has been breaking barriers and maybe I would say as much as breaking barriers illuminating truths to life that I think we have either they're forgotten. We've made taboo. We don't want to think about. But this episode was very much focused, as we would imagine, on physical intimacy. Jesse and Gary sit down and they have this talk about what is expected. And Gary is fairly upfront with he is willing, able, and wanting to be intimate in whatever way both parties kind of feel comfortable with. Right. And it's something different. You know, I haven't seen people make out in their 60s and 70s, really, in my life. I think

it's actually really beautiful. My parents are very physically, you know, open with me as I grew up. It was never a secret that they loved each other, that they were attracted to each other. I found it to be a very beautiful thing in our household, and I never doubted that they were still attracted to each other. However, I haven't lived in my household for 15 years. And so I don't see as much anymore, right? And so I just want to kind of ask you the broad question, when it comes to people in their 60s and 70s being physically intimate, what do you think was going through the woman's mind on this show?

Is they entering into the fantasy suites? What do you think was going on in Gary's mind? You know, kind of what, how important is it still? Just maybe clarify some of the things that we didn't get through the conversation with Jesse and Gary that I think would be really helpful for listeners to understand. I think Gary approached it very well. It's a wonderful part of a relationship. It's a wonderful part of your life.

It's a wonderful part with your partner and your sweetheart and your forever love. And Gary wants that. He's looking forward to that. And it seems to me, I mean, didn't Teresa kiss him on the first. I don't know, but I mean the first date. He promised his grandkids, no kissing on the first day. Well, there were several ladies who puckered up and grabbed him really quick. So Gary's not averse to kissing.

He likes the physical closeness of hugging. And he's just been very, very touchy-feely, though, you know, hugging these ladies and the whole season. And he came down to intimacy, and I like the way he explained it. We don't rush into it. It's emotional. We savor it. We take it slow and gentle and savor it. Well, I was kind of, I have to tell you,

I was getting weak in the knees when he was describing that. That's beautiful. I think he was just setting it up for a romantic evening with the two of them. And I think that was very important to both the ladies. and to him that they get close and have that time together. And frankly, they're still young to have intimacy, to have fun, but that's an important part of marriage. It should be, and frankly, varies at a great age

to still enjoy intimacy with his sweetheart. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke,

but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015. A 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do it my eyes close.

I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devon. And on our new show, no such. thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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We're a podcast. And we have to talk about things like this. Do we think that he had sex with both of them, or one of them, or not? None of them. Let's just say it. You know, you sign up for the Golden Bachelor. You have the fantasy suites.

It's on TV. They close the lights out. They trim the lights off, but do not disturb. And next morning, they're grinning from ear to ear. Yeah. I'm not so sold. I'm not 100% sold because of his little spiel where he said, like, we can take it slow and stuff. I'm wondering if in his head he's like, oh, let me just wait till I,

pick my final one. I'd rather just wait till there's one lady left. This is just what I'm thinking. And I think that he felt so connected to them through conversation in the fantasy suite. And he did say that like, wow, like people at home assume that it's all about sex, but actually it's so special to have that private time that I think that they could have just been smiling from the great connection that they developed in the room. Absolutely. Like he said, nobody's business. It's our night together. There's no cameras. We can. talk about everything we can be together we can struggle we can talk we can kiss on it you know it's our night together our private time and we need that yeah because there were no cameras

so that takes the relationship really an important step further whether or not they were intimate they were close and it was it was it was good they were all happy they all everybody was happy about the overnights together. So sorry, Gary. We're speculating. Sorry. Sorry, Gary. I think you had fun.

Okay. Yeah. And I would say, too, you know, for anybody, intimacy means a lot of different things. I mean, as long as they're intimate and the fantasy sweets did what it was supposed to do, which brings them together and allows them the space. I think it's, you know, it was a really, I never got the sense from Gary and his conversation with Jesse that he wasn't prepared to go wherever they felt like as a couple in the moment they needed to go or wanted to go or, you know, desired to go. I think for me, it was an interesting

conversation to have somebody in their 70s explaining that process of what was on his mind and what was he thinking. You know, I know from being around so many bachelors and so many leads, sometimes there is this like undertone of, like I just can't wait to get to the fantasy suite to release everything that's been going on for last three months. I don't, you know, yes, it's going to be great to be intimate, but like I have a lot on my mind that is just going to be let go, a lot in my body that's going to be let go during the fantasy suites. I didn't get that sense from Gary. And so, you know, the question that I cannot answer myself that I know you could answer for us is how does intimacy change maybe

from your 20s, 30s to then 60s and 70s? I think Gary described it. It's. It's softer, gentler, sweeter, more, really, you just, you, you really try to be considerate of your partner. Right now, I had a little owie, so I've got, you know, I'm temporary, a little temporary, but that's life. So you have to be considered of your partner, their feelings. and you know life events and so um but gary came across that it's it's let's be together let's have pillow talk let's take a gentle and slow and let's let's go where we want to go and there he's very considerate very thoughtful very kind and i really like his attitude and he he led it made it very clear I'm 72 I'm still romantic I'm looking for a romantic partner so

honestly he handled it so well whether or not whatever they did they were close and it worked for them because very seems to be an emotionally caring and considerate partner so I'm you know it worked for them Leslie asked him when was the last time you had sex. And he said a very long time. We speculated last week with that, assuming that that's what he was going to sort of say, that it had been, in my opinion, I think that it was his wife. After seeing that conversation unfold, do you think that she should have asked him on camera or just waited for that question until the fantasy suites? Well, the camera theoretically is not supposed to be there. I mean, it's there, so we're watching, but they're building a relationship.

he asked her to ask him some hard questions that's a question that a couple can discuss so that's just one of the things that if you're on the bachelor there's a camera over your shoulder but they were in theory they're trying to build a relationship and that was a valid question and in new couples coming together sometimes that needs to be you need to have that discussions because that way gives you enough information so you can be more consider with your partner. You can be more gentle or take it, take it slow, whatever they need. But you have to understand each other that way.

And I think it was a very valid question. This is coming from a guy who was asked straight up on The Bachelorette if I was a virgin. and that wasn't a question I was prepared to answer but it was also very important to answer I think for Caitlin at the time and would I have preferred her to ask me off camera? I don't know because as you said, you kind of at some point have to get over it. You just have to know that yes,

you've signed up to get your life exposed on national television. Earlier on, Shari, we broke down the episode before we brought you on kind of just giving our overall synopsis of what we experienced watching it. One of the things that I experienced watching it was I felt, and my wife felt, she said it actually before I did, that there was, it seemed like a distance, more of a distance between Gary and Leslie when they woke up in the morning. Yes, they were smiling, but she felt like, hey, he, like he's pushed away a little bit more

than he was the night before. Would you agree with that sentiment? Did you feel that or did you see something different? Well, it was interesting because he repeatedly told Leslie that he loved her and he was committed. Okay, so that was significant. The next morning, when he went to meet with Teresa, his mind was still with Leslie. And I wonder what Leslie's doing right now. So Teresa really had to come from behind because he was still in the fantasy suite with Leslie.

and he couldn't get over it, you know, well, it's time for Lizzie to leave. And, you know, here comes Teresa. It was too fast to switch for him mentally and emotionally. So Teresa had to pull him in emotionally. She had to get his attention. She's like, hey, big guy, let's talk about our future, you know. And she told him she loved you. I mean, she really had to overcome his, break that connection,

and breaks a trance with Teresa. And that's where I think she did very, very well. So he, I don't know, he had a good time with Teresa. It took him a while to, like I said, break out of that mentally, physically, emotional bubble he was in with Teresa. But he talked about, he would have an exciting life with Leslie, but he and Teresa have that bond. And they're connected on a very fundamental basis. And when he spoke up with Teresa said, this is the first morning of the rest of my life. Wow.

I think that meant a lot. Yeah. Ben, I think that's a really good point. I can feel that as well. If it weren't for him saying on the date with Teresa that he was in his head about Leslie, then I would have probably made a bigger deal out of that. because it felt like he was still thinking about her like a lot romantically and like the daydreamy state.

See, as I was explaining earlier, the interesting thing to me would be if he was so sold on Leslie going into this week and then all of a sudden his something, you know, maybe their connection wasn't what he expected. Maybe something was said that he wasn't ready for. Then I would be in my own head too because he had just told Leslie the night before.

before, like, you're it. I know. Which was a big mistake. I think that he's saying way too much too soon because he's leading one of these ladies on. But that would also cause you to be in your own head. So, you know, for me, I'm looking at it as he might have been in his own head for two different reasons. One, yes, his mind was still with Leslie.

But I had not been necessarily in the, I can't think of spending a day with anybody other than her. It might be, hey, I told her. she's the one and I'm going to break her heart. Yeah. He's an emotional guy. But he, you know, he says things that are, to me, you're telling. He could have an exciting life with Leslie, but he feels safe and bonded to Teresa.

So. He also said that he, you know, he had his concern about Teresa to begin the date where it was like, oh, we're always bonding over our spouses having passed. I need to find out more about her beyond that. that because maybe that's just like our only bond. That being said, I do almost feel like it's an important. I feel like it's maybe a very important bond to have because that's just something that they're going to have to, like having that understanding of each other, not abandoning,

just still having sad days throughout the year, like, oh, that's the day that my wife passed. And having somebody that, like, understands that is going to be so critical. I feel like, and Leslie is very far from understanding. that since she never even had like what she thinks is like a great love. So my concern about Leslie from the beginning is there are two failed marriages have hurt her and she's she's been abused, she's been abandoned, she has her, her walls up. And Teresa has that in common with him. They had the long-term marriage. They had the love.

They lost their spouse. So you're right. There's a disconnect there. And in that way, Reese is a much better match because unless they goes into another relationship, she's still going to bring some baggage. She's just, she's got it. She's, she's mentioned it the whole season. So she's going to bring that baggage in. And she has to learn to trust. And Teresa's light years beyond that.

So it's always really good, Sharia, giving us little foreshadowing of what is to come. And they sneak it in in weird places. But as a fan, like you. you, you usually can pick up on it. And there's a phrase that Leslie says, she goes, I always sabotage it. I always sabotage good things. And it felt like to me that was a weird moment to throw that in unless something is to come. And I am expecting something to come when it comes to the relationship between Gary and Leslie as the season progresses. Shuri, as we say goodbye to you now, is there anything that we didn't ask you about? Any thoughts on the Golden Bachelor?

you'd like to share with everybody listening? I think the Golden Bachelor is a wonderful idea. They picked the right guy. Women of all ages have fallen in love with Harry. And so I hope it continues. It's just been great fun. And it's been great fun talking with you guys. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. Man, you are proeat interviews. Thanks, Sherry. Thank you. All right, Ben. Final wager before we sign off. We have two weeks. until we find out who Gary picks, who do you think it's going to be?

I've ridden the Teresa train for a long time, and it's too late in the season to get off of it. Okay. Well, I was shocked that she got by last week, and now I'm starting to feel more 50-50 hilariously on her versus Leslie. It's ridiculous, Ashley. Cannot believe that you're not sold out yet. I am so convinced with the way the story's being unfold in front of our eyes that Teresa and Gary will be there in the end. I will say this, as a thought, somebody's been there, somebody's walked through with real life. He has a lot of explaining to do.

And he has a lot of probably, after watching this episode specifically, he's going to have a lot of things that need to be undone. done that you cannot undo necessarily without a lot of work, a lot of communication, a lot of validation. I think Gary's, I think it's going to be a really hard episode for really whoever is with him at the end to watch. Ben, we love Gary, right? America loves Gary. If this was a 30-year-old guy saying all this stuff, would he be able to get away with this? No, no shot. No shot. Well, I mean, maybe. I kind of did a similar thing, right?

You didn't milk it so. You didn't say so, so much, so many times. Yeah. And I don't know if I got away with it. I don't think I did. And you didn't. You said it so much more simply and you didn't get away with it. I'm worried about Gary.

But here's the thing. I've been there. And I'm not mad at him for this. I know his emotions are all over the place. And I know he's saying what he's feeling. And I know he's being as honest and as authentic as he can with who he's with. I'm not mad at him for it.

I'm not angry at Gary. I don't have any ill will towards Gary. I don't think he means to be doing what he's doing. I will just say, Gary's in trouble. He's in big trouble and it can't be easy in whatever household he's now spending his time in. But I will say I do feel like both these ladies

will be far more forgiving than maybe a lady of her 20s or 30s. I think that's a part that is worth, yeah, definitely considering is the partner in this is probably saying, I get it. I get it. You're doing your best. Hey, it's going to be an incredible, incredible couple. Well, really last week. One more episode. Yeah. One more episode. We got next week off. It's obviously the holidays. We're going to be celebrating the holidays. And then the next week, I am going to be on the edge of my seat to see how this plays out. Neither of us know. But we have our. intuitions. I'm going to be sad to see it go, Ash. It's fired me up in a way. I haven't been fired up before. I'm going to be sad to see this version of you gone to. I don't know if we'll over get it again. Hopefully we will. As we discussed in the past couple weeks, we have no

idea if it'll be renewed again. Ratings-wise, it certainly should be, but it'll be up to the creators. So maybe we'll get more word in two weeks. Until then, love you guys. Thank you so much. Ashley. And I've been Ben. Follow the Ben and Ashley I I, almost famous podcast on IHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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