The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Golden Future with Theresa Nist

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

First was The Golden Wedding… then came The Golden Divorce, but Theresa Nist is ready to share everything that happened. Theresa is here with Ben and Ashley to take us through her split with Gerry Turner, what their relationship was like after the Golden Wedding, and what REALLY went down after she was confronted by Kathy Swarts. Plus, we find out who Theresa would date from Joan’s cast on The Golden Bachelorette!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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meant to do. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, we have somebody who we've never had here before, which is wild, but we were so grateful to have her. It is Teresa Neist. Hello, Teresa. Lisa. Hello, Ashley. I'm so happy to be here. Hello, Teresa. Hello, Ben. So happy to be here. Teresa, I got to start out by saying that, like, I feel guilty for being at your wedding. Because, like, how did it feel to have so many people there, the vast majority of people there that you had never met before? Yeah, I know, that was strange. You know, I was expecting it, but I had no idea who was going to be there.

it made it more exciting because I knew you from watching The Bachelor. And so I was awestruck that so many wonderful people were there and people that I had, like I actually had watched The Bachelor with my husband who passed away. And so it was exciting. But, you know, you're right. So very different. But nice. I didn't even get to meet you that day because honestly I said hi and we met Gary.

And then I was like, this man doesn't even want, why would he want to waste his time with people that he's never met? before meeting them on their wedding day. So I saw you covered with people. And I was like, oh, you know, like, no, we get a chance. We'll get a chance. I don't want to, like, easel my way and take time away from people she actually knows. I watched it back and I saw you. And it was so much fun to watch it back because it was a really, really good party.

It was so nice. So thank you for being there. I would actually say it was probably within Bachelor Nation, the biggest event. since I would actually, I mean, Jane Tanner's wedding. Yeah, it would be since Jade and Tanner's wedding. I mean, it's been many years since we did something like that, that they agreed to do something like that.

And that's where I want to start this conversation with you. That sounds good. We're going to dive into all the details and all the ups and downs and all the good and the bads of this experience. But in general, if you could give us kind of a summary of your experience on the Golden Bachelor, How do you look back on it now? Okay, sure. So, you know, in the beginning, it's just a fluke.

You fill out an application. You don't think anything's ever going to come of it. And when you get that first call, you don't even believe it. And you know that it's a very long process. So when I first found out that it was Gary, my first reaction and my daughter was there, I said, oh, I don't know if I could move. I don't know that I could do that. And she said, give it a chance.

she said just try go with an open mind and I said yeah I do have an open mind so I went there and I'll tell you that when I was interviewing with the producers they said that it was going to start on August 3rd and I said oh my birthday's August 4th and they said and so he said you could come in with a birthday cake and in my head I said or I could come in in my birthday suit which was which was just a joke and I said dare I say that out loud and I said it out loud and he goes you're hired, which wasn't true at the time. And then they loved that idea so much, I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get out of it.

They don't know, you're sticking with it. And when I saw Gary, I thought, oh, my God, he has the same story as me. He was married to his childhood sweetheart. She passed away unexpectedly. They were married about the same number of years. I said, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do it. I want to just talk to him heart to heart and show him who I am.

And they said, no. And I said, okay. and we did it. And I was so nervous. I mean, coming out of the limo, so excited to meet these other women. Couldn't wait to meet the women. And when I walked out and I went next to Gary, I was immediately attracted. And I was in my head saying, oh, my God, like, I'm really attracted to him.

How is this? And I just looked at him and I spontaneously kissed him, like a so to say, oh, welcome home, darling, at the end of the day. it was it just i felt very comfortable with him immediately and so that night i would say that the two times that i was really myself because after a certain incident i wasn't able to be myself was that night when i sat on the bench and he said if i eat this cupcake will you lick the icing off my lips and i said yeah yeah do it do it and that was me like that was real i was really i went into this really trying to be myself and my daughter had written me this beautiful letter and it makes me cry every time i read it and i tried to read it to him but it was like four o'clock in the morning my contact lenses were

glued to my eyes and i could only see like part of it so i kind of made up the rest but one thing that she said was just think the whole world is going to get to know you and i just you know you're going to cry and so i wanted that to be my experience and then and then i get the first date And I honestly didn't want the first date. I just felt like there were all eyes on me then and maybe a target on my back. And I'm going, there's 16 women here, like how many dates are there? Because the filming was only in four weeks. I think there might have been nine episodes, but it was only four weeks.

So it was accelerated because they didn't know if this was going to be good or not, if it was going to be popular. So the next morning, and this is on the show. So it's nothing, I'm telling you that. I haven't said, but you may have missed it because I said it really quickly. Kathy came up to me and said, you're the one. It's not me. It's you. And I said, why are you saying that, Kathy? You know, there's 16 women here. It could be anyone. I never thought I was the one. And she said, you're his type. I'm not his type. And then she became pretty much my best friend. And so when you're in an environment like that, and you're used to having so many women in your life to talk

too. I have my daughter. I've got two sisters. I have a daughter-in-law. I've got so many friends. And the next morning, I'd come back from the date. Gary had said on the date, I'm sick of the lake. I'm sick of getting that boat in and out of the water. I want to move to Charleston, North Carolina. I said, no, Charleston's in South Carolina. And in my head, I'm going, oh my God, like, what are the chances? My son lives in South Carolina. You really, I'm going, okay, now I'm really open to the possibility. Let me pause you there, though, real quick. Did he know your son lived there?

No, he had no idea. He didn't know. And so I, you know, I'm excited the next morning. And so I think I can confide in Kathy. And that was naive on my part. I shouldn't have done it. And I'm excited. I want to tell someone and I just said, the date was really great.

I forget exactly what I said. But he said he wanted to move to South Carolina. And I guess it was misinterpreted. as Teresa thinks she's got this. And I never thought I had it. I never thought that. I just thought, okay, now I can really think about maybe this could work. So this is the incident that you're saying that after the fact you weren't able to ever feel yourself.

I just couldn't. I was mortified. Like, I was telling me producers, I want to talk to Kathy. She's my good friend. And God bless her. I love Kathy. You know, this was just the mechanics of the show. I forgot I was in a competitive environment.

And so I said, I was forcing it saying, I want to talk to Kathy. I really want to talk to Kathy. And then when I sat on those steps and she accused me of being dismissive, I was absolutely mortified. I wanted to melt into the floor. I wanted to just leave right then. I said, oh my God, it's too late. This is filmed. People are going to see this. My face turns completely red. This was complete anguish I was going through. And I ran up to the bedroom and faith comforted me. And my intention was to leave. I really, I just, really couldn't. I didn't think I wanted to stay there. And they convinced me to stay. And but from that point on, I censored everything I said. I just, you know, I couldn't really be myself. So you'll see me. I was really genuinely happy for everybody who got a chance to be with Gary. I mean, Leslie and I were just such great friends on the show. I cooked dinner for her. She taught me dances. I was great friends with faith and with Ellen and Edith and everyone. And except that the people that were in Kathy's room, I felt a coldness, so I felt I was being judged. And that's just me. So I, you know, I take that as my responsibility. But Trista had come on the show

and someone had asked her, were you okay with Ryan going out with other women? And she said, oh, no, I wanted to see him be with other women. And I said to her, oh, my God, Tristan, that's exactly how I feel. I wanted Gary to explore it with every single person. So he was sure. He was with the right person. And then when we had the second confrontation on the tennis court, and Kathy said what she said, I said, that's fine. Like, if you were meant to be with him, just you should be with him. So I never ever thought that I was the one that wasn't the case. There's a few things there that stand out to me. One is, I think you pointed to at the beginning, was you had the first date. So there's a target on your back. And so this was,

you were kind of the one that the eyes were going to be glued to going, what is her next move? that makes sense it happens all the time you knew it was going to happen we knew it was going to happen i want to talk a little bit about what you're when you said you censored yourself because it obviously worked like your censorship led you to end up with gary so you kind of holding back of who you were um and so i want to get clarity on how you like how you censored it with gary or if you still felt like you didn't have to with him but only when you existed in the mansion yeah that's a really good question. It was only when I existed in the mansion. And how I censored myself was, I'm usually talkative and outgoing and joyful. And I would have said so much more, but I just, I held back.

I didn't say anything. I just kind of like, if you look through the whole season, I'm probably just nodding and smiling. And I'm not saying much. I was just so terrified that I was going to say the wrong thing again and do the wrong thing. And so, yeah, it changed my entire experience. but, okay, I could have just said to myself, okay, it doesn't matter. And I thought I could do that, but I couldn't, which, you know, it's on me. It's totally on me that that happened.

Are you sensitive about this because of the way that perhaps people just saw your character throughout the show or your friendships with the ladies? Because you won. Like, normally we would be concentrating on that and the connection that you had with Gary. But for you, this seems to be. be the thing that stands out the most. Yeah. No, I'm, um, it did. I was able to be myself when I was with

Gary, you know, but with during that time, I was on one, one-on-one date and then two group dates. So not that much time with him. And I'm going to tell you, my grandson said it best. I was in my room with my daughter and my grandson, Henry, and we were waiting for me to go out to get married. And Henry pipes, do you know, Henry? I don't know if you've seen him, but he speaks his mind. He's the one on the show that said, I know, you could be the new pop-up. And he said, yeah, he goes, I just thought of this. You had one date and you're getting married. Oh, my God.

I said, imagine if they put that on a big screen. I'm waiting to go out there and get married. So, yeah, so I would say that people wouldn't have known that I censored myself. But when I was on the tennis court with, I don't know if you remember that scene with Kathy, and she said oh guess what like last night I was with Gary and you're out and I'm in and I truly felt like okay if that's the truth thing yes he should be with you

and I don't think that that got across that I'm an extremely open-minded person I would never want to force anybody to be with me I wouldn't want that and when we were together we had conversations you know you've been on the show that didn't you didn't see we had some conversations you didn't see

So, yes, I felt that I thought before I went on the show that I could just truly be myself. And I was going to pretend that cameras weren't there. And then I became very self-conscious. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast.

So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age.

And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Those relationships, obviously, we're around a lot of the golden, you know, contestants. Those relationships have been healed. I think there is a clarity and understanding now that all kind of comes through. A lot of them came to your wedding. This leads up to a question I think a lot of fans are wondering. Obviously, you know, your experience on the show had its ups and downs. know, you did have the run-ins with Kathy and you did have, you know, these high and low moments. And then you end up with Gary at the end. And you had been on one date with him. And you had kind of

been open to the idea of him dating other people. And if he chose you, awesome. And you guys could celebrate that. But then you decide to say yes to this wedding. That was, as we said at the beginning, one of the biggest things to happen in Bachelor Nation since, you know, Jaden Tanner's wedding but you said yes to it with confidence i'm assuming yeah um or maybe not but what made you at that point feel like yes this is something i want to do now like this i am so good moving forward in this relationship to the point of marriage after you know even your grandson said you've only been on one day yeah so you know so i went into this really looking to fall in love and i did and we said okay they're offering this to us now they weren't offering it later it was now and we said if we

really are going to get married we should do it because we're going to get the wedding of our dreams and we are older and why waste any time do it now so there was a time constraint on the offer it wasn't like okay you could do it this month or you could do it next year or you could do it in six months, that wasn't the offer. And so we did it because with the faith and hope that we were eventually really going to get married. And so let's do it now. They're offering this to us. We'll have our friends and family there. It will be whatever, you know, and we did, I'll tell you, Mindy Weiss did a spectacular job, like the flowers of the dance floor, the band. Everything was just absolutely gorgeous, yeah. The interesting part, I think, for the viewers.

And you, in all clarity, you got upset with me because on a podcast, I had said, I don't know if you ever listened to the whole episode, because we've always been very supportive. I'm so sorry. Yes. So that was my comment to you was you have to listen to the whole thing because we've always been very supportive of you here. We're big fans of you. We thought you and Gary matched very well together. But on the podcast, we had heard, or I had heard, I guess I should, you know, take the blame here, that one of the big factors to your, to the two of you then deciding to get a divorce, was a couple things. And I think if we spoke about it outside of the Bachelor world, we would say that the two of you didn't see eye to eye on geographic location. The two of you didn't see eye to

eye on the two spots that you two were living. The rumors were that there was a big argument about Indiana, the place that I'm from, that there's a lot of farmland in Indiana. There is a lot of places of open space in Indiana. There ain't a lot going on in Indiana. And we all know that. You've been there. I'm sure you visited for, you know, the lake a few times. And I'm a Jersey girl, and I understand that Jersey's got everything right around the corner. I'm going to tell you exactly what happened. Here's the skirt. So I wanted to be clear and say that you got upset with me and that the intention was to never try to throw you under the bus.

The intention was never to do that because that's not what we would want to do to you here. However, the idea was that both, I guess at the time when we talked about this on the show was, I have I see it from one lens where I'm like I grew up there I get it there is it a lot of open space Ashley sees it from another lens which would be how in the world do you exist in a place that has so much open space there's two types of people in the world both exist both are you know there's no right or wrong necessarily so that's what we said and I want to get clarity from you now on what exactly happened okay good to end to to lead to this moment where you said we can't do this any longer okay so I'm going to clarify that

moment went and tell you exactly what I said. So we're driving from the airport and it was like three hours and we're getting closer to Gary's house. She's not wrong by the way. I know where he lives. It's three hours close to any airport. It sucks. So I see this open land. I don't see crops. I just think it's flat land and I go, oh wow, you could build townhomes there. That's all I said. And Gary said, oh, so you want to take the farmer's land away from him? I go, Note to self. Don't say that again. I said, oh, no, I didn't know that was farmland. He said, there's a thing in the Midwest. I'd rather give you one acre of my, I'd rather give you one of my daughters and give you one of my acre of land. And I said, don't ever say it again.

But the quote was, oh, look at this land. You can build, you can build villages and streams and resorts and shopping centers. And it went on and on. And not one word in that whole paragraph of like 10 sentences came out of my mouth. All I said was, oh, look at this. You could build townhomes and then I shut up immediately and that was it and then what happened was the plan was to move to the area of Charleston, South Carolina and we were looking at homes like virtually we're looking at home so I wasn't ready to you know I'm still working full time I have a home I wasn't ready to sell my home until we found a home and we never got to the point where we found a home and by the time we didn't find a home

Gary came up with the idea of doing six weeks there and six weeks here and I truly wanted to have our home together I was willing to move I wanted to have our big home where our family could come visit us

you know I didn't want to go back and forth to our homes I wanted to have an established base with a beautiful home together as Gary and then go visit our children and go visit his children go visit my children invite them there

and that was my my idea because that's what we had agreed upon. And then I guess he, you know, he loves his house. And I don't blame him. He loves where he lives. And if that's what he decided to do, then do it. And I want you to, I want him to be happy. So it did change.

And it wasn't what we had discussed. We had never discussed six weeks here, six weeks there. We've talked to so many Bachelor Nation couples who have broken up, a lot of them, Because of distance, most notably, like Joe and Kendall, you know, it was all, like, that was the big blame on the breakup was distance. Because he wanted to live in Chicago. And ironically, he's now married and he lives in New York. And then she wanted to stay in California. But now she's married and she lived in Germany and now she's moving back to California, you know?

Wow. So I, we've always been like, is that really the crux of a breakup? up? Or is there more? And that's like a good, not alibi, but just like the public reason for why it didn't end up. Well, first I want to say kudos to Joan for addressing that issue immediately and she said she wasn't going to move. But you can't get, you really can't know somebody in four weeks. I'll just say that. That's all I can say. I'm not, I don't want to say any more than that? Four TV weeks or four weeks because you guys literally were like only a couple in the month

of December. Oh. You know, like an outward couple. True. True. So what I'm saying is the, right,

you're absolutely right. You know, you get to know each other better. And it's not something I want to discuss at this point. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not just the location thing. Okay.

That's awesome. That's all we want. I think, I think that's very. fair of you to say, you know, I've been through something not, you know, different, but similar in some ways publicly. And, you know, if the public was needing every single thing that happened to lead up to this final decision, it would make both parties probably look or feel be up, right? You've both had failures within this relationship to lead up to this moment where you're like,

You're not the right person. Location is a very easy issue. But I think what happened, and I'm curious, so what happened when you and Gary came out and said, location is one of the big issues or the biggest issue to why we broke up. People went, that makes sense. A lot of people said that makes sense. Now, for the right person, they would have been willing to move. So let's assume that they weren't right for each other.

Also, location was an issue. They're done. So now we see Jones season happening. And I think the fans, with the knowledge of what they are gaining from the relationship you had on this show and the marriage that you had on this show are now saying, here's an idea. How about they start casting the Golden Show regionally? How about they start doing the casting so that if you live in New Jersey, the men that you will be dating at least live within a driving distance of New Jersey. Is this an idea that you would back and say that's a good idea? And do you think, think if that was the case, if you did live a little closer, that your relationship with Gary could have worked? Yeah, I think that that's an outstanding idea. I think that's what they should do. I mean, it's for all ages, but especially for people who are older who have grandchildren and are established in their communities and their homes. It's really a very difficult

ask. And yeah, there probably would have been a better chance. And that's why I say, I really applaud Joan for addressing that issue immediately. I wasn't the golden bachelorette. I didn't really have the right to say anything like that. And you just think the world wants a love story and they want you to move. And it's, you know, you don't know how you're going to feel until you were really faced with that decision. It's very difficult. And, you know, it's, you do, I do want to be in love.

I do want to be with someone. I think that that's, I think love is. me the most important thing and it's love of family and it's you know to have a partner in life is what I want so I wanted that so badly it's not something I gave up very easily my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute Sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well Dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon this person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated? with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration,

also known as boot camps are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed.

Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer. And my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

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announce it that soon after, why didn't you just, like, milk it for a little while? I know. Why didn't we do that? Oh, you could ask Gary. Why? Did I want to, I don't know, to milk it a little while. I know. I got out of this so quickly. I, you know, to be in that world and then all of a sudden you just drop everything because we were offered things that we couldn't then. pursue some really great things, really big things. But I think that's, I don't know, I do know the answer to it. I don't know. I can divulge it. It's more, I don't know. I would have never milked something that wasn't honest. I would not have done that. But I probably would have waited longer because of the Golden Bachelorette. I was willing to wait longer to an end because I didn't

want to put a damper on her season. I wanted her. I wanted to wait until kind of that was over. Because like the audience kind of has this perception now like could this work. Yeah. I didn't want to disappoint people. I felt so badly about people who were so disappointed because I was disappointed. And I, you know, I didn't want to hurt people because it was, it was such, you know, a fairy tale. And it was beautiful. And it really was real. And we really believed did and and I also feel bad like I really want him to be with his person I want him to be with the person he should be with and you know that wasn't me and if there was someone else on the show that he really wanted to be with I wish you know that that could happen if there was any possibility

that that could happen because I want him to be happy Teresa I also like want to get cocktails with you and like get your guts to me and Brian the real yeah he has to get me really drunk Yeah. I think what we're hearing is a lot of the real reason. I think what we're actually hearing is a lot of the real reason with you being respectful to Gary and to the environment that existed. A few rapid fire questions here to get maybe some clarity without divulging too much to make it an issue. How much of that period of life with kind of going on Good Morning America and maybe even the West. wedding, that you look back now and it could be, it could be blamed on the excitement of the time, the celebrity, the euphoria. I feel it. I've been there. I get it. Yeah, we both have been there to where we go. This is exciting. I'm doing more new things than I've ever done before. I have opportunities that never existed before. How much of that time could be blamed on just the new and the excitement. Well, yeah, you're right. Well, first of all, it starts in the mansion where you're presented

with someone in their best possible life. And then afterwards, you're always in an exciting situation. So you're both at your best. You're both excited by the experience that you're in. So that's exciting. And you're not in your regular mundane life. So yes, that not to prolong that. That wasn't the reason, but say, being in Times Square. Yeah. And the excitement, I've never done that before, and that was absolutely wonderful. And then, yeah, to be on the Kelly and Mark show. And all of that, yes, we were enjoying that ride together and very happy then and very excited about it.

So if you look back on it, yes, part of the excitement and the happiness probably had to do with those external factors that you're in. this whirlwind. I think the question that so many fans, though, also want to know from your perspective now, because the Golden Show did a lot for a lot of people. You're right when you said people were cheering for the two of you, we're living vicariously through the two of you, we're finding hope in the two of you. Could this show work? Now that you've been through it and that, yes, your experience is kind of one that people look back on and be like, gosh, dang it didn't do what I thought it was going to do. It ended poorly and it ended in a way that now makes me question.

Is this golden show going to end up just like the other Bachelor shows where, you know, 5% of the people end up getting together? Teresa, do you think this golden show has legs where it will help people like you find love? Yes, absolutely. I think that everyone with every season, they're going to learn different things just like Joan did to say, stipulate right up front i'm not moving so they'll learn and it will morph into something that really really works and if you know if you first of all if you had two people who were older and didn't

have grandchildren that's one factor where you really feel like you could leave but just imagine yourselves you've got your families you've got your children you're going to have your children your child then and then you have grandchildren and you're so ingrained and you're so ingrained in your life, the more the years past, the further ingrained you get into that life. So I think that it's the family that stops you, that prevents you from fully embracing it. I don't know. I was just so happy to be a mom, to be a young mom. I'm all about that. I'm all about family. So it's very hard for me to think about moving away unless it was to move to South Carolina and be near my son. So that's it. Like that would have worked for me. And that

like a light bulb went off. And I said, oh, okay, but he really wants to do this. This is great. And I didn't, and I did say, we were in the car. We had stopped and we weren't being filmed. I don't, yeah, we weren't. That was on, was not on camera. And I said, oh, my son lives there. And I don't think, I don't know if he heard it, but maybe he heard it. But it's, that was a huge factor. So I think the show absolutely could work. I look forward to many. many iterations of this show. I'm glued, absolutely glued to Joan's season.

I'm going to be so upset when it's over. I'm just, I sit there with my popcorn and then, you know, glued to the set. Yeah, I love it. I love it so much. She's doing such a great job. Yeah. And I love, and just to digress a little, I love what all the women have been doing

and that they, the opportunities that they've embraced. And I honestly have not accepted anything. I haven't done any sponsorship yet. because I didn't know this about myself, but I feel I can't do it unless it's something that I either use or I truly believe in. Just sell your soul. It happens.

I know. I know. People are saying that you're crazy. What are you doing? Why did you turn that down? No, I'm not good at it. I'm not good at either. No, you've got to find products that you love. You got to do it. They're using it regularly. We'll have to figure that out for you. But yeah, before you leave, we do want to ask, like, what are you doing? like what what's your current day to day look like and like yeah and what excites you like what's pumping

you up for the future here yeah now so my day to day today is I oh I used to day trade stocks yeah I want me day to day as being with my family my daughter just had a baby August Edward Goldston thank you very much seventh grandchild right yes very good I couldn't I can't believe that I mean that's if you had told me you know I was 18 years old I was seven grandsons it's crazy seven grand sons you don't have one granddaughter no not long and there's no hope now there's no hope everybody's done i only have two children and they produce seven children um so that gets me going and i still do work but it's in the back of my mind to do something different i really i really am so curious about people and maybe i'd like to interview people i am sort of like a writer i

I've been into health and longevity my entire life. I've been into eating well, the Mediterranean diet. And I have books don't really pay much, but maybe I'll do something like that. And people do ask me. And I haven't had surgery yet, but I do do things like facial massage and microcurrent. And I don't know if I should get a facelift. I don't know if I should do it. There's not much to lift there.

Yeah. Well, some of your friends are doing it. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. And kudos to them. That's awesome. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe one day. I'm not doing it yet. But so there's, there's so much. Maybe I'm just going to key in on all the things that I'm interested in. Like, I have so many interests, gardening and the stock market. And I went from being a day trader to being a position trader. So the stock market really gets me excited. I mean, the stock market to me is like this giant puzzle that you have to figure out. There's so many different bits of information you need to put together to make a decision. And you have to. to, it's almost, I'm also like a game of chess where you have to be like 10 steps head of your opponent. So that gets me going. And I, I don't trade during the day because I have a job,

but I'll, you know, put in limit buys and limit sales and, you know, and go, and I'm a techno fundamentalist. That's what I do. So I can't believe that I got interested in that's so late in life. My husband was a market maker, but we never talked about it. You should write a book called like the golden girl's guide to the stock market. Oh, that's not good. That's good. I never thought of that. People ask me.

Let's give you a little encouragement here. I mean, we're obviously younger, but we've been a part of this franchise for a while. There is a season and a time. And I'm not saying you're in it. You're still, you know, you had a different journey than most. You ended up with the Bachelor, which isolates you kind of on, you know, from hanging out with all the friends all the time and you're kind of focused on that. and then you guys break up and then you're kind of sitting there going, you know, what have I missed?

You haven't missed anything. You're in a great season of life. You're a grandmother to seven grandchildren. You have, you're still actively working. You're still thinking about health and beauty and longevity and dating and love. This all, if you were like a friend of mine laying all this out in the table in front of me, I'd be like, you got a really good thing going. And yes, it seems like everybody else is doing so.

much more and it seems like everybody else is doing so many cooler things. It ain't true. What you got here is what everybody else wants. They just don't know how to get it yet. So I hope for you, love comes because that's obviously a wish that does not exist yet, a romantic love in your life. But also have a lot of fun in this season. Be where your feet are. Be present because this is a really fun time for you. So get it. Thank you so much. That's beautiful. That was so nice. Thank you. it. It's true. The only thing is the only men that want like a 71 year old or 90 year old, so I'm going to

say that. Well, I mean, hey. Let's let that be a personal choice that you can make at some point in your life if that's something that interests you. Now, I like to end on a fun question. Okay. If you're watching Joan's season with popcorn, you're so into it, we have to know which guy

are you looking at thinking let and say no to a date with him. Oh, that's a good question. Ashley. I like this. I thought about this. I'm going to be evasive. No, you have to answer. No, you cannot. You can't. We've let you off the hook a lot. Like if I was single and interested, I would be like, you know what, Pablo would have been my guy. Or Pascal, sorry. Pascal. Pascal would have been my guy. Yeah. Okay. So here's my first part of the answer. I really have to get to know them more. I really love to meet them all. I mean, having been through this experience, I don't know that I could take it offensive. face value.

But physically, who's your type? Oh, physically, the, I can't, physically, I'm just going to generally tell you that it's someone taller and someone tall and, you know, Gary's actually my type. So that's the physical type. Like somebody like a chalk. He seems pretty tall. We just don't know where he ends up in this whole thing. He's still in their own.

Jonathan, Mark, Jonathan and Mark. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they all seem great. she's just smitten she's like i like them all like don't make me choose yeah that's right i like them all i'm enjoying every one of them i think they're great i don't know if i'll ever meet any of them

but you never know we're still pushing for 2025 uh golden paradise where everybody shows up and meets each other uh teresa we hope that's in your future we'd love to see you again we love to watch you try to find love again thank you for coming on the show don't be a stranger uh thanks for walking through a conversation that I know just probably sucks to walk through a thousand times, but you're doing it and you're doing it well, and come back some time to break down maybe future seasons of the Golden Show. Thank you so much. You guys are wonderful. I loved every moment of this. Oh, thank you. Am I going to regret what I said? No, you're not going to regret anything. But if anybody's listening, message Teresa for any products that you think she'll appreciate

use and enjoy. She would love to share about them on all her social media platforms. It brings her so much joy and so much fun, uh, fun. Uh, Teresa, we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye. Okay. Take care. Thank you.

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