The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A High Fiber Recap (The Golden Bachelorette Week Three)

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Ben and Ashley are back to recap this week’s episode of The Golden Bachelorette!   Joan faces her first hurdle this week, but true love conquers all! Find out who made sparks fly for Joan. Ben and Ashley reveal their Top 3 so far, and we discuss if The Golden Bachelorette is getting the “early bird special” when it comes to dates!    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We get what I would call Jones' real big first hurdle of the journey so far. Mm-hmm. And we get some new love interests kind of sparking. Thoughts take it away from the first part of this episode. The first part. Of course, they do their thing, their new preview of the big moment of the episode. And that is Jones saying that she's not 100% ready for love in her life because John, she's basically not over it is never going to be over and this was also a big tease in the

scene from the season it actually ended up being luckily not as big of a deal i think as they made it seem like it could be in those in that big teaser so because she like gets kind of like gets over it uh in this episode you know she moves on and i think this is going to be the only time we this is going to be like the last time we hear her worry about this it's very early on in the season if this was happening when there was two people left that's what they made it seem like initially but this is definitely just i think one of those things that's true to her that we need to understand about her that we can a lot of people can relate with about her but this is not going to be something that stops her journey from continuing.

I think we know that for a fact. Yeah. Now, do we talk about the rest of the conversation that she had with the men there? Or do we get there when we get there? We'll get there when we get there. Let's kick it off with this really fun scene where we see the guys interacting in the house. I think this is right now one of the best parts of the Golden Show is seeing the men and how they interact with each other.

They're supportive, they care for each other. I don't know if they like it. I don't know if they love doing Pascal's like laundry and cooking for him, but they're doing it. And I think that is such a really fun thing to watch. Charles says it best. It's summer, or I think Chalk actually said it. It's summer camp.

This looks like summer camp. And it's, I think it probably has a very unique vibe compared to even the Bachelorette. Yeah. Yeah. The guys are complaining about the lack of sleep that they have. And I've noticed that a lot of these dates are ending when it's still light outside. So I'm wondering if they are catering the timeline of the day to the older crowd. Because you and I were used to having dates that would absolutely go to 1 or 2 a.m. And Rose ceremonies that would go that late. But two of these dates ended during daylight. they've had to cater this for these guys I think it would make a lot of sense for them too do they really want guys not like being at their best

being grumpy being tired not having any energy and quite honestly the dates so far have been fairly high intensity I mean especially this first group date during this season there's like a lot of energy that's got to put out in this

I appreciate the show for recognizing who they have and saying yeah you know what like let's take it easy on these guys i know i think they're also taking it easy on joan i even thought that maybe one of these group dates the group date was cut short because she was upset about her mom being at home and sick i feel i feel really bad for her for having that way on her um during this episode but luckily she ends up feeling her mom is back home feeling better so by the end of the episode okay but um Yeah, let's talk about Pascal for a second because he's so funny in the opening segment when he's talking about, you know, not being used to doing any sort of chores around the house.

Really like taking care of himself to a certain degree. And I'm thinking that he's just going to be this fun character, right? And he's never going to be taken seriously by Joan. And then I'm surprised to see that he has the first one-on-one of the week. And I'm thinking, oh, okay. So this is going to be, I think, the first golden episode in which somebody is eliminated on the date. I just did not foresee them clicking. And they did.

They had a great time. I don't think that he's going to get super duper far, but enough to get through for this week and for her to just enjoy his company. I was actually very, I was with you. I don't know if I ever thought, oh, I just never go into a one-on-one thinking this guy's getting sent home or this girl's being sent him. where this girl's means. Really? I do all the time and that I'm a wrong at least 75% of the time.

My reasoning is I just don't think it happens that much. It doesn't. It's very rare for it to happen. So I just never expect it and if it does happen, it typically feels like a very monumental moment. And in a sense, I don't want to,

it feels like coming like when I was on the show, if I was going to have a one-on-one with somebody that had even the potential to go home, especially early on, it would be a waste of a one-on-one. So I don't see that happening because wasting those one-on-ones, especially on the Golden Show that's expedited already,

would feel very impactful and also just, like I said, a waste of time. That's very interesting that you say that. That's a strategy that, yeah, the lead should take into consideration. Don't waste a one-on-one. So this early, I just didn't think it. But I was surprised to see him be the one to go. I did not know what their connection would look like. He's fun.

He's really fun. He has a lot of energy. The dude still's pretty ripped for being however old he is. 69 or something. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. He's one of the older guys. Yeah. And so they're on the date and it's like they go to the ultimate place for him, Vegas.

And it was very adorable. You could tell he was like, thank you, Joan. Thank you for picking me for this date. Yeah. The only part that I thought was a little weird. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Wayne Newton looking.

No, I love Wade Newton. I love how he comes back. Okay, he's been on many episodes before, right? Yeah, he's been on many episodes. His face is just timeless. Was a little wild that they went to the Paris Hotel when Pascal's from France. Like, it's like going, I guess to me it felt like a little bit. He has to be looking at everything being like, this is hilarious.

that you're remaking this. Definitely tongue and cheek. But do you think that they really revolve the date planning around him? Because normally the dates are really planned in advance. They would have just been lucky to have their set have been agreed upon as being the Paris Hotel and then end up casting a guy from Paris and then her liking him enough to invite him to it? Typically how, I mean, it worked back then.

I don't know if it still does today. When you get started on the week, let's say the week starts on a Monday, just to keep it easy. On Sunday evening, you'd meet with the producers, and you'd say, okay, what dates are this week? And they'd be like, it's kickball. And it's a trip to Vegas and going to the Paris Hotel. And then maybe they wouldn't tell you everything, like the Wayne Newton thing, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a surprise to Joan. But they'd be like, you're going to go and you're going to get dressed up and you're going to have a really fancy dinner. And they would tell you that at the beginning of the week, like, who do you want to bring on the one-on-one?

because it's, you know, obviously whoever doesn't go on the one one's going on a group day. And you'd be like, she probably heard this and said Pascal will be perfect for this date to Vegas. Yeah. Like, I want to bring him. And the Paris Hotel would have just been a coincidence. Kind of. She would have known that's where they were going. So she probably said, this is too funny not to bring him.

Yeah, this would be funny. And maybe she's like, I want to know if this is anything like Paris because maybe she's never been to Paris. I don't know. That's how it used to work. you would just try to pick people that you thought would enjoy the date would find it fun maybe that you knew a little bit about them

so that you could match a date with what they cared about or just somebody you haven't been on a date with would also be another choice but right now she has a lot of people that she could choose. She chose Pascal. I thought it was great.

Their connection is deeper than I expected. I mean, I think especially when we get to the evening portion I do think there is a connection there. I do think he brings out a really lively side to her. And you know what? He, just like all these people, he has a story to tell. And Joan, at this point, as a lead, you start to get really tired because you're not emotionally, I think, trained to hear all of these stories back to back to back and carry the weight of them. Like you want to care. You're basically a therapist. Yeah. And she's doing a tremendous job at it. She's asking questions. You can tell she's engaged. As Charles says,

she's a great listener. She's really good at this role. And I think that's a really fun thing to see her do. She made a comment to Gary, skipping forward a little bit, but she made a comment to Gary. Gary, which Gary, because we had Bachelor Gary as well. Bachelor Gary, the former Golden. She makes a comment to him that I thought was so untrue. She said, I'm not, I'm not good at giving them responses back like you were i think she said something like filling up that extra space afterwards like giving them what you know something to and i'm like that's so wrong jonah's doing exactly that she might not even mean to but she's doing it just by being herself she must have thought that she could elaborate and she was holding back and she was just giving them bits and not the whole

thing yeah well you know you just said that like you're feeling connection and stuff i have to admit i'm not sure that i'm feeling romantic connection i am feeling connection like human being to human I'm feeling that she appreciates these guys but I don't feel like she's like I want to jump one of these guys' bones it may be just the way your body language is as you get older or just like how your demeanor is

as you get older but I haven't picked up on like a ton of romantic attraction from her to the guys I think it will come I think the same thing would be said about Gary's season for a lot of it yeah

I think it's you know at the initial part of this. There's a lot happening. There's a lot of relationships to navigate. She doesn't know all these guys great, honestly yet. And I think as we get further along, and there is less people and there is more private time, then we'll see Joan and the guys maybe connect more physically. But even with Gary's season, it wasn't really until, in my memory, the fantasy suites were like, oh, they're getting it on. Like, we saw them in bed together. And they're making, you. you know, innuendos about their time together. Uh, I just think it's, I think it's a, it feels appropriate. I think it would, it's maybe feels a little bit, uh, inappropriate to make those physical connections too early on. Yeah. That kind of goes back to what I was, yeah, it kind of goes back to what I was saying

last week about the kisses. I'm like, the kisses are like friendly. They don't feel like they're hot. Just wait. Okay. So anyway, we like the pasquile date. He ends up Pascal. He ends up getting the rose. And he shares a story about how he came from nothing. And now he lives life up. He got the Cinderella date.

And he basically lives life like, and he basically kind of has a sort of Cinderella-like story. His dad actually with a shoe. Oh, my gosh. Look at all these references. His dad with a shoe before he moved to America fixed. fixed as a shoe with a piece of cardboard. And he was like, when you make enough money to buy your pair, you have this, live with this cardboard shoe until you have enough money to buy your own.

I can't imagine all the things that he learned in that season of life. His grit, his determination, his ability to ask for help, his ability to connect with others it's really incredible to hear his story and then see where he's at today he's on national television flying uh however they flew to Vegas um it was private was it private yeah it was private good for them i never got a private jet i would love the private jet he said that he came to america without speaking any english i wanted to know more about pascal for sure because i wanted to know like how that evolution in america happened for him to be successful businessman and I wanted to know about his previous relationship. I think he was married. He has a

son. So there's other things to uncover there. But I do like the fact that we've been getting dates where it's like, no, I want more. I want more. But like not in a bad way. Like we're not getting enough. But like their stories are so good that we want to hear, we want to learn more about them. It's not a good feeling. Isn't that just such a good part of this show? Well, as they're on the date, we get a flashback to Los Angeles where some of the guys have taken it into their hands to try to help the men sleep better. That's a big storyline at the beginning of this episode is the men aren't sleeping. A lot of that is because of the snoring, the shifting, the noises at night, people getting up and moving around. I'm guessing if they're like most men and women in their 60s

that I know that somebody's waking up at 4 a.m. ready to go with the day and then they're sitting there on the couch, probably wondering what in the world to do with themselves the next three hours until the television crew shows up. There's just a lot of changes. in their life right now. Changes they haven't had experience in the last, you know, 50 years. This is a big change to them. So some of the men do go to the store to buy snuggies and blankets and eye masks and earplugs.

All these things are just funny. I think it's a good bit. But I also find it to be very helpful, probably. Ear plugs are the most helpful. I could not have gotten any good sleep in the best. Bachelor Mansion or a paradise or anything like that without earplugs and an eye mask. Always had them. Yeah. It's a smart thing to do. I remember sleeping with earplugs and I never sleep with

earplugs. I think it would be very, very important. We also see at this time a really sweet scene with somebody that I've picked as one of my top guys from the beginning. And I want to continue to remind you of this. The Charles and Guy scene. Yeah. Guy has always been up there for me. You have doubted this and I'm going to still stick by it. You see this episode. there's a couple things I want to point out to you about Guy. He got an early rose that I think will stand out later on in the season. But the Charles and Guy scene is a really special scene because Charles and Guy are sitting on the couch. Guy is obviously an ER doctor speaking with Charles about how his wife has passed

away. Charles explains the story and we've loved Charles. Charles is a main character. He will be a main character for the rest of the season until he is either let go or he is with Joan at the He is a sweet man. He is loving these moments so much. But he sees an opportunity to ask a doctor about his wife and this question that he's been holding on to, this question of what else could I have done in the moment of my wife's brain aneurysm? And he says, why was their blood coming out of her mouth?

And for me, these are the special moments of the show. I don't know what Charles's surroundings are like when he goes back home. I don't know his friendships back home. I don't know what his family dynamics necessarily. I don't know if he's ever felt comfortable enough to take the time to ask somebody that would be in the know, why was my wife's mouth bleeding when she fell? He obviously hadn't ever. So he asked Guy and Guy tells him, and truth and honesty, hey, I bet she bit her tongue

when she fell. That's probably not something that Charles wanted to hear. But what it did do was Guy followed that up with, like, you need to stop asking yourself what you could have done. And I think for, hopefully for Charles, that was a pivotal moment. moment. So many of us that come off this show have those moments that are pivotal to us. They stand out to us as they change the course or direction of our lives from that point forward. We come into it with all this stuff. These guys definitely come into it with a lot of stuff and a lot of years of stuff. And this show, because it slows us down, because it takes away distraction, because it takes away all the things that we're used to in our daily lives. Every once in a while, there's a moment that says, no, things will never be the same. And I think this might be one of those moments for Charles. basically admits to that he's like i will not i will be leaving here basically feeling a little bit more closure a little bit better about life um maybe being able to move on a little bit more it was really

really special i have like nothing else to say other than like i'm just really happy for him for for feeling better in any way he's just the cutest little man he's so cute he's a great guy and he's doing so well so far this season. So that is example number one of guy standing up to support somebody else, okay? Okay, sure. I mean, certainly it was Charles shining through all this. If there's a standout, if we're arguing this, Charles is the one who's the main character here, but okay.

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There's so many cutting. There's so much sprinting. There's so much opportunity for pain. I am worried at this point that these men are going to be stepping onto a football field against each other Well, they don't They play a kickball game

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He's like, oh, wake up in the morning with Quaker Oaks. Yum. And I'm just like, that's, like, this is hilarious. Like, I cannot believe they're making these dudes do this. but I love it and it's a great integration. It is. It's great. It's so funny and obvious that it's, that we're like, yes, go for it. Keep being creative like this.

All right. They are, of course, going to play a game and whoever wins is going to have the extra time with Joan at the end. It is the not mark team that wins. It's the blue team that wins. The blue team, the not mark team. Because Mark didn't have any moments in this episode. It was shocking. I didn't even notice that.

You didn't? Stop. Okay, so they have a mini cocktail party with the blue team. Notable moments, of course, is that Charles talks to Joan about his wife's passing and how Guy was able to give him that closure. And then Gil, Gil is here. And Gil talks to her. about how he adopted a daughter.

And she's only about to be 17. So, like, yeah, he's, like, still in the midst of really raising her and she's at home. And we know that Gil is the guy that had a restraining order put on him between the time of the background check and casting weekend to the show starting to film. And they said that they were going to cut down on his scenes. I wonder how much of a role he really did play if this is cutting down the scenes. he gets the group day rose he does which means he's around for one more week uh i i don't know have we had any follow-up information from that really it was just that a woman was complaining

filed the restraint because he just wouldn't stop calling texting and like basically showing up at her house gill is definitely at this point a main character he is on the show he's getting first impression roses he's reading date cards he he's definitely around uh And I don't know. I mean, I guess from the show's perspective, how do you cut out somebody reading a date card? And then also, how do you cut out somebody getting a group day rose? You can't do that. You definitely can't do that.

You have to show those and you have to show why. And so maybe they've cut out as much as they can at this point. I think they cut out some of their conversation because I felt like her conversation with Charles and Gary was more qualifying for a group day rose. I think there was more substance that she had with the Gill conversation. Gary was so sweet during this group date, this group date cocktail party because he asked Joan for her mom's name after she opened up to him about the fact that she wasn't feeling well at home. And then he said that he was going to pray for her.

And they talked about, they bonded over the power of prayer. And then Gary shows up later in the week with a written framed, prayer for her mom it was so sweet I was like this is this this is so special just because we have no clue

how this ends there's so many guys from this season that will have no problem finding a partner if they want one after this thing's done Gary being one of those

yeah I think Jonathan being one those right Jonathan's emotional we'll talk about that but Charles goodness like there's so many guys here that I'm like there's all these people watching going you need to date my mom like you need to date my mom please date my mom and Gary consistently now has been every week like I want to

know more about him I want him to have a one-on-one because there is a um an aura uh some there's his energy I don't use that term very often I know what that fully means but like his his presence is one that just makes you go, this is a guy I need to be around personally, and that I want anybody else to be around. He just has that factor. He cares. He's a good person to talk to. Yeah, he's so sweet. You did mention that, you know, Joan does get the phone call, that her mom is sick, that Joan is very distraught about this. She's anxious about it. It's on her mind. That is a very hard thing to do when you're on this show, because you're leaving it up to a producer to keep in contact. And I'm guessing at this point, I think Joan even

says it. Joan is her mom's main caregiver. And so as a result, the main caregiver is gone. Who's answering the questions on Joan's behalf? I love Joan's passion for her family. It's obvious, right? I mean, at this point, if her mom was to say, Joan, you need to come home, I think Joan drops everything and comes home without a question. I don't even think it's an issue with her. I was just hoping that like two seasons in a row for Joan Joan wouldn't have to leave early I mean it would be hard

she's our bachelorette like it'd be hard for her to leave the show would obviously pause for her to leave but I was just going can Joan catch a break here I know exactly go through this thing

without something else under her mind I know so it was so relieving to hear later in the week that she was okay definitely or she was improving this brings up the big moment

at the mansion so as this group date is winding to a close. As you mentioned, Gil does get the rose. We get to see then, um, kind of the after effects of the kickball game. Luckily, nobody got seriously hurt. I thought it was awesome to watch. I thought these guys did a great job. Uh, we see massages going on. Uh, we also see this moment, which brings me to my moment with Guy where Captain Kim is writing a song for Joan. Oh, this is the other moment. Ben, you're right. Guy really pulled through. in this episode

he has been pulling through you just haven't noticed it he's so under the radar with his little moments but Captain Kim obviously cares a lot about music he's saying at the beginning he's writing a song for Joan now I was with the guys when I saw Captain Kim doing this

and then almost pushing it on the guys to do with him like hey this is my idea we're going to do that there's no question of do you guys want to do this would this be a good idea for you who's in who's out it was, we're going to do this. This is going to be great. Everybody come to the living room. Everybody do this song.

Eyes with the guys. And I was like, I wouldn't want to do that. Like, this doesn't feel like me. It reminds me of when the guys were singing that song to Jojo during her season. And it was the corniest thing of all time. And then Chad was like, I'm not singing about the girl that I just met. Yeah. Well, and like, I don't have any game.

but singing to a girl would definitely be like lowering my game like it's just like for any game I do have singing is not something that I impresses anybody nor do I feel comfortable doing it dancing on the other hand Penn's dancing will win you over sexually yeah yeah you can get any you just ask Jess when I come in and see my hips she goes let's go um and so it is it was it was an awkward thing to request I get where the guys did it. I do think Gary did a tremendous job again of, because they could have just said, Kim, we're not doing this. Like, this is stupid. Like, we don't feel comfortable doing this. I, you noticed Gary's maturity, also his wisdom and his ability to negotiate in this moment where

he tells Captain Kim, hey, this is a song you wrote for her. This isn't a song I wrote for her. You should be the one singing as to her, mostly in a nice way telling Captain Kim, hey, dude, not in for this. This isn't my thing. But one guy does stand out and do it with Captain Kim. One guy out of all of them. One guy falls in the sword for everybody else. And for this person who's obviously cared a lot about this song, it's guy. Yeah, it was very sweet.

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so second moment where guy does something for somebody else and i just think this dude's around a while i see it happening ashley i'm sticking with it well uh let's transition into the final one-on-one of the episode because we kind of jumped ahead there with the singing um we see the group dates get obviously told and we obviously at that point know that jonathan's going to get the one-on-one we see a motion out of Jonathan leading up to this one-on-one. Ashley, what were your thoughts on it? Okay, yeah, so Jonathan is really nervous because he said that he was, because he knows that a one-on-one date is going to put a lot of pressure on him

that he's going to have to open up, reveal himself, and he was kind of hoping for the group date so he can kind of like hold back a little bit. And I totally related to this. The first few weeks of the bachelor season, I didn't really want to have a one-on-one either. because I just was like, oh, spotlight on me, me having to be vulnerable. I'm so not ready for this. Let me at least warm up to this guy.

And really, I almost felt that sense every single week because like not only is it your first real first date with somebody, it's a very long date. It's like a nine hour first date. It's also on camera. So it is very, there's more pressure on that date than really any other date you've probably ever been on so i totally understand why he's so nervous they go horseback riding and joan basically is talking about how she feels like she's not being vulnerable enough with jonathan with the men in the background of this date she never addresses it to him she says that she feels like she's

always been the caretaker she's always had to like you know have the strong front and now she's going to have to, you know, at some point she's going to have to let go on this. But she's noticing things around her. She's noticing these hawks are flying around on her date. And the hawk is what her family thought was like kind of the symbol for her husband because her kids were seeing hawks around them when, um, right after he passed. So I'm thinking like, there was a turn of events when she said like we're seeing hawks and I'm thinking about my husband. I thought she was going to say this isn't him bringing Jonathan to me

I thought it was going to be like this touching spiritual thing but actually it was she interpreted it differently she interpreted it like it's time for me to like kind of let go and be vulnerable it's a big moment for Joan and I think it's a big moment for the rest of the season

she I think at this point in time had a lot of questions about what her role was here and how she was going to do it well and maybe as you mentioned the beginning you're early on in this process she might be asking herself are any of these guys really for me like none of these guys are making me feel anything close yet to what my late husband made me feel i was expecting her to feel that though with jonathan and she didn't say anything like of the sort she didn't she didn't and this date i do think maybe came about maybe a little early for Jonathan. I think Jonathan, he felt like he was enjoying his time. He was crushing it at the house. He's

really doing well with Joan. As you mentioned, this is a big moment. You got a one-on-one. It's not make-or-break, but it is definitely a make-or-go-home. And Jonathan says something that I'm worried I'm going to leave here alone again, because once I leave here, I'm going to be a loan. This is a very vulnerable moment for Jonathan. I think we're getting a glimpse into this really handsome, really confident, fun guy and we're seeing what his insecurity is, which is

this loneliness thing he has going on. Again, I will say this. If Jonathan were to go home from this one-on-one, which he didn't, he would have no problem looking into his DMs and seeing a bunch of people say, you should date my mom. He might have no problem becoming the next golden bachelor. I still think that that's

reserved for Mark but holy moly is Jonathan a close second there now listen um Jonathan is not just worried about what you said he's also about you know being alone after all this he's worried about being surprised by the dumping because he was surprised by his wife just turning to him one morning completely out of the blue and saying I want a divorce good point so um okay then Gary well we already talked about how she said down with the guys before the cocktail party and says like, you know, I need to like really just be myself and let down this curtain with you guys. Gary comes here to give her a little pep talk about all that. I think it really was helpful. Sometimes I feel like these cameos from past

contestants, you know, sometimes they're trivial. But this one, I actually felt like she really needed it and it was cathartic. I think it's a good moment for Joan. And it's also a good reminder of where she came from and that if gary can do it she can do it too and i think it was a great moment for her to move forward uh it takes us to the very end of the episode where we have a few guys going home um Greg k k and kim are sent home any kind of surprises there no i thought kim was going to get sent home song or not just didn't vibe that and the biggest shocker towards the end of the episode for me is just, as always, scenes from the next episode because it really looks like Chalk is going home.

And Ben, we talked about Chalk and what a frontrunner we thought he was last week. And damn, I really, I left this episode thinking that he might be definitely, like, yeah, that he might be top three. And then he leaves. And it's kind of almost reminiscent of Joan leaving on Gary's season. because I think Joan could have gone basically that far as well. Yeah. Do you think it happens next episode, though?

Yeah, they make it seem like it's next episode. And I don't think he would leave on his own unless it is also a family matter. So we'll see. There's one part of the Gary Bachelor combo that I do want to mention that I thought was significant. He said, she said together, that they're not looking for partners that they had. They're not looking for replacements. They're looking for like almost a totally different person because they're in such different places of their life now at this age

because they're not going to be raising kids with them. You know, they're not going to be going through their career with them. Yeah. You can't find a replacement for the person of your past. But you can find something new. And that's what we hope for Joan as she continues on with her journey. All right.

To close out here, Ashley, I need your top three after this week. well can I put chalk in it yeah you can put whoever you want who's still there well I guess I wouldn't be very good at predicting things if I said chalk would be in the top three since they're basically telling us he's not going to be there

okay I'm going to still say John Mark and Keith okay I'm going Mark Jonathan yeah I said John yeah I meant Jonathan by the way. I said John.

Mark, Jonathan, and Guy. Guy's going to stick into it for me. He's writing this to the end. If I was a betting man, which sometimes I am in Vegas, I would put money on Guy. The odds have to be fantastic. Hey, until next week,

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