The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Man, a Van & a Plan

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

It’s the final week of Bachelor in Paradise, so Ben & Ashley are checking in with the couple that stole the show… Dean and Caelynn!Dean reveals that he came very close to dropping to one knee with a ring for Caelynn while in Paradise, and you won’t believe what changed his mind. Do Paradise relationships go the distance?? Ashley explains some of the confusion that happens with Paradise couples behind the scenes… and how it affects their future! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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amazing spectacular unbelievable human Ben Higgins that's great thank you for that I know you're going to take that opportunity to do something ridiculous

Ashley you know what this gets me thinking here maybe the team can work on it how many seasons since we started this show now

have we started and successfully completed so many so we started with Nick's season right or did we start with

we started Rachel season or Nick's season I think Nick's yeah wait but we started in May so wouldn't that have been a Rachel's or do we start before

wait who was before Rachel Nick Nick no no no but who was the bachelor before Rachel Jojo we didn't do Jojo Joe Joe Joe Joe no we did not do Jojo okay no no I was going through stuff we weren't yeah you would have remembered that one yeah we weren't doing back then

well anyways we've we've starting complete a lot with you all listeners every end of season we do like to take second, just say thanks for listening. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks for tuning in. It's been a wild ride. And I feel like this paradise. And I'll just be honest, this paradise for the first time and a long time, as we enter into a season, it did not disappoint me. And I've been disappointed by some of the Bachelor and Bachelorette. It's not all of them in the last few years, especially the Bachelors. I thought the Bachelors

seasons have like fallen way short um than what we then what most people expect and hope for um you know the tasha season the clear kind of season that was a great season um so good matt's season had moments and then kind of did it it kind of just like became repetitive after a while but this paradise season kept me intrigued the whole time i know it um juiced up it revved up my engine for the whole franchise. Am I crazy to say that? Like, am I just speaking out of turn there? Or do you feel similar? No, because I always know

how I feel about a season based on how I feel when I see the screener in our inbox. And if I want to, like, watch it now or I'm excited to watch it, then, like, then I know it's good. And if it's like, oh, that's work for me to watch it, then, oh, it's not so good. You're not into it.

Well, let's start with the breakdown of this week's episode, the finale episode, of Bachelor in Paradise there's a ton to talk about a ton to chat through we had three hours Ashley of drama that everybody endured and probably semi enjoyed this week yeah it was a little slow at first because it was a little per

because you know the formula yeah you know you know that there's going to be that rose ceremony and then like people are going to give each other roses and then the next morning they're not going to give they're going to have to like break up yeah so I don't know. I don't love that part.

Is that where we start? No, I think we start with the break. Where did we start? Oh, we started with the breakup of Noah and Abigail. We started with the breakup of Noah and Abigail. We also saw the end of prom. And we started to see emotions kind of rise. Becca and Thomas were a little bit of a feature at that point.

Well, we, I mean, I kind of was thinking at that point, oh, this is a thing that is going to last. Like, this is a serious thing. But then we go into the roast ceremony. where if we just really want to fast forward through, there's nothing that shocking there except for Natasha does go home after being sick. And like, I think that's something to note. You know, her journey here in Paradise was not great,

but I don't think her and Ed are meant to be together, but that's just my sideline judgment. And she was sick. So not shocking she goes home, but also Chelsea goes home, which is a little bit of a twist. Is it? I don't know.

I felt like I saw both of those coming. Either of them were in a serious relationship. and those are just stupid roses anyway. I don't know why they haven't done without that rose ceremony. Why don't, you know how Wells was like, we're going to cancel the cocktail party? Why don't they do that thing

where they have serious conversations the next morning then during that cocktail party and just like knock out two with one effort? Well, I think there's a good answer for that. They had three hours of time to fill. There's a lot to go on there. Well, Ashley,

As we fast forward through the Rose ceremony of there, Natasha and Chelsea does go home. The couples are left to start having these really deep conversations. And I want to ask you a question here as somebody that's been to the beach. I've never really been to the beach. I have so much to say about this. And I don't know what to say. Well, and I want you to say it all, I think. You don't want me to say it all?

No, I do want you to say it all. But here's my question for you. Okay. So you're in paradise. You've met somebody a couple days before. You're hopeful of what is to come, and you might be doubting your relationship. Okay, I'm speaking really here with the Ed McKinna situation. That's the one that are-

Yeah, those are the ones that are really highlighting to me. So you have the opportunity to spend a great night together in a hotel room, to do whatever you want, right? I think we assume that, you know, everybody hooks up. That's not, I don't think it has to be the case. I don't think it always is the case. But you have a great night together to get to know each other more. what is the process for somebody to like think through this and how are they so convinced to say no because I know in my life being on the show there is this like almost I don't want to say

addiction but there's this desire to just be around to the very end just because you want to see what happens and everybody there was pretty confident in their nose and it happens every season why are they like what's that what's that couple hours look like where you're sifting through if you want to stay there. or not? I would say look at the trends starting, I think starting at season three, which I have firsthand experience with what happens during those hours because of season three. You, you, there's the, this is the pattern.

This is me like not being too revealing, but being a little revealing. The pattern is, unless you get engaged. you tend to break up in this moment. So I feel like there is a lot of encouragement to, if there is any sense that like this relationship isn't going to stand the test of time, even if it would be a great dating relationship and could continue in the real world, it is encouraged to not continue in paradise there. So people bring out their same.

smallest doubts to explain why they should not be going to the date portion of the evening, which includes the fantasy suite. Oftentimes, there's only a certain number of dates planned. If you catch my drift. Because, like, from firsthand experience, I just felt like something was very off during that season three. I was like, there's just, how could it change like this happen so fast? And it doesn't. It's just really that I would like it for that, for this portion of the series to just be for people who plan to be engaged.

That's fair. But Ashley, let me, let me poke at this a little bit, okay? If that's okay. So all season for the last, how many seasons we broke down this, we've been critical. of people leading others on. And we've been critical of people kind of wanting to be around, just to be around. And like I just said, I can't really judge them for that because I think I would almost be doing that. So the night before this, not more than 12 hours, you're getting a rose from a human and you're saying yes to it.

And then 12 hours later, you're ending the relationship. I don't understand what's happening. nothing is happening that's the thing the feelings aren't changing i feel like you're filtering a little more than you need to really you think i should just be straight honest yes we gotta know because here's the beauty of it the beauty of it is we watch this show for the drama and the love the love still exists this is like a very b storyline of the people breaking up it doesn't even really matter but there's something that happens where people break up 12 hours after accepting a rose i don't understand how okay so basically you're pretty much told one person in the party the couple party

yeah that it cannot continue on to the night portion no matter if you like the person or not you just can't there's not an option there's truly not a date planned for you it is time to go back to the hotel and if in my experience um you can have a date at the hotel off camera after after you get back well that's fair okay that's great that's good to know and it's not even unfair from the show standpoint because i think they're almost like it makes sense like i don't i don't necessarily want to watch ed and mckenna go on an overnight date like that doesn't like really do a lot for me as a viewer no i was just confused at what was happening but it makes sense where the show's like hey you guys have known each other for like four days you obviously have your doubts

he's into this just to like stick around here for a little bit longer like this is over and if you guys want to go back to the hotel and have a nice dinner together great but we're not going to show it and like I'm good with that like I really think that's fine okay so me too me too when when you look at it that way what I get frustrated from watching it though is that like you can tell that people are breaking up because they have to break up not because they want to and then like one person in that party who was told to like kind of do the breaking up is hurting someone so bad and confusing that person so bad like we see with Becca and Thomas and a little bit with a little bit with Anna and James James they're just like wait what in the world what in the

world and they're kind of like feeling super demoralized only to like get back to the hotel and be like, oh, okay, so she does still like me. We just, we just couldn't stay. So it's just kind of frustrating for the audience to not even know, like, you know what, they actually like each other and they're going to date in real life. And they showed that this season. They showed in the final credits and that little montage we got. It was like Abigail and Noah are seeing each other in real life trying to see where it goes.

It's like, okay, why didn't she just, I know it was for drama sake, but why didn't we just say, let's date. I don't think that our relationship is appropriate here in Paradise anymore. Same with Thomas and Becca. At the end, it says, they're dating and in love. And it was like, what?

See, why couldn't she just say, hey, not appropriate for us to be here anymore because we're not getting engaged, but let's date in real life. I guess it's just less anticlimactic. It just doesn't give, here's the real thing. If you could leave Paradise with the quote option to just date outside, would the stakes be high enough?

Would anybody get engaged? I think that's the thing. I think that if the choice was to, yeah, you just wouldn't, I think nobody would get engaged. Ashley, this is super, this is really great. And I actually don't have a problem with it. I shouldn't have beaten around the bush so much when I first talked about it. I just wasn't sure whether how careful we were going to be. well no i get it and i get it from the show side too like it does it had like you need people

you want to add that element of like hey if you're going to be around to the very end and we're going to put on this a whole date thing for you like we want you to get engaged you need to be there and if not like you guys need to go off on your own i do wish we could see these stories and usually we do on after paradise it doesn't sound like we're going to have an after paradise this year though no no more after paradise no after paradise yeah so usually we get to see those like oh hey abigail and noah kind of tried to figure it out Thomas and Becker are still dating and we know why now

and they tell the whole story and it makes sense this year it's just kind of like yeah it's like a direct ending and I was just confused by it and I'm glad you explain that to me and so if you take it away from like hey the show's like if you can just like

explain it more from the show's perspective it's we want people to who are serious about their relationship to be here in the end those who are not and who are questioning and still trying to figure things out we're excited for you we're happy for you

we want to support you, but this show no longer is for you. And so we've got to, like, direct you out of here so that we can celebrate the love stories that are happening that are very serious. That's kind of, I bet their idea. That's great. I'm good with it. We can move on now. Hey, and as always, we have the Bachelor bracket rule of the week.

So everybody listening and that are participating in our Bachelor in Paradise bracket, which has been a lot of fun. I've picked my team every week. I'm doing okay, I think. Well, anyways, hey, you. get 10 more points every time a contestant says, I only want to get engaged slash do this once. So that's the thing. So again, you're going to get 10 more points. If any contestant says, I only want to get engaged slash do this once, which you hear quite often on this show.

But anyways, that's the rule of the week. Best of luck. And we will be announcing the winner very soon. Hey, let's take a break here. When we come back, we're going to break down all these couples. that end up at the altar, those who don't, uh, right here on the almost famous podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called emergency intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD,

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I'm about to get engaged. or I'm about to not get engaged in the nerves. Well, we haven't actually seen the episode yet, so we can't speak exactly to what they did and didn't there. Oh, that's even better for us. That's even better. Just tell us everything. Well, I'll let Kailen handle this one, man.

So, yeah, it was actually super nerve-wracking. Steve's been on four shows. I've been on two. And coming to Paradise and being the unofficial host was, we were, like, so nervous. I was shaking a little bit. And then we show up, and Riley looked so intimidating. He was taking it so seriously that it made us even more nervous.

That's so funny. Okay, so you guys got to witness Kendall walking onto the, you know, proposal pedestal. Did you have any idea what she was there for? Well, we, it's actually kind of funny when we were walking to, like, out of our hotel room like to go to the resort that day to you know fulfill our hosting duties we we randomly bumped into Kendall kind of at the hotel and so we like kind of knew something was going to happen with her that day but obviously we didn't know to what extent and I still

I still I still have no idea what she said to him I think it was maybe just like a closure thing for her and him but yeah it was a it was a shocking thing for sure to see her walk down because like obviously we you know we knew Joe and Serena were dating, and we had a pretty good idea that Joe was going to get engaged to Serena. We'll go back and forth on it, but we knew that Kendall being there just was a, was a messy thing to, you know, throw into the pot. Did you guys get to chat with the couples at all, or is it just kind of what we saw, which was you guys conducting how everything was going to go down? Like, okay, you're going to do this and you're going to do that? Or did you, like,

get to have some one-on-one sessions and feel the love? No, I wish. We kept asking you, you could like talk to the couples because I thought that would be so fun to hear where they're at and what they're thinking. But we did get to talk to the girls right before they went down to meet. So that's cool. Dean and Kaelin, I have a question for you to throw you off topic here. Did you get paid host money for this show because I think you deserved it. Oh, we got paid the discount rate, I would say. The per diem rate? I think Liljohn, David Spade, Lance Bass, definitely got paid. a little bit more than we did. And Wells, obviously, too. Dang, guys. Well, all right. Well,

that's really the thing I was intrigued about. I was like, you know, you carried some weight this week. You talked to some people before they got engaged. You guided people through the process. I mean, you might have had one of the hardest jobs this whole season as everybody's like nerves are high. I was just thinking, you know what? I hope Dean and Kaelin really made out on this one. Yeah. I mean, we got paid a little bit, which is nice. You like put it into our joint account and we're like, we're going to, you know, treat ourselves to maybe like a nice date night with this money. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't quite the little John status. But it's funny, we showed up there, and they, like, you know, they gave us, like, a rough

grip on what they want us to say, and they're, like, literally five minutes later, they're like, all right, you guys, are you ready to go? And we're like, no, we have all these lines to read. We have no idea what, like, how to memorize all this stuff. So, again, we haven't seen the show, so we don't know how much, like, clip, like, cut it up, but in the moment, it was, like, pretty, pretty scary and rough and hard. And, like, I delivered my lines really well. and then Kaylin

forgot her line and then no you are, you're a great host we just didn't have enough time to prepare and then so she thought that I thought she thought that I forgot my line and so she started saying my line but she skipped her line entirely so it was a little bit of a mess

but I don't know how it aired I'm sure that they made it look like it was pretty continuous and fluid but it was a scary scary you look good you guys looked great and you looked like you did have a lot of bullet points that you had to cover. So I understand

you had a hard role. You, Dean, said publicly that the producers tried to get you to propose while you got down there. Did it ever cross your mind? Kalyn says

in the episode when you said, are you guys ready to get engaged? And Kalen said, yes, I am ready to get engaged. Hint, hint. Oh, I didn't realize that that got to hear. That's funny. well when they first suggested the idea I was like absolutely not especially like you know it was like the day before and it's just like the timing obviously like it just didn't really make sense I honestly think that they didn't think that or they weren't sure if any couples were going to get engaged and so they were like okay well like we need something in her back pocket just in case um but as the day on I like talk to Caitlin about it a little bit I was like yeah they just they just encouraged me to propose to you and I went back to the producers and I said But if you bring us back to maybe be in a more permanent hosting role next year,

but we'll maybe see me getting down on one knee. So I'm trying to, like, leverage it out a little bit. I like you, Dean. That's smart. Well, this begs the question, though. Caitlin, did you have butterflies thinking that you may be getting engaged during that episode? No, so actually, the day before the proposals, the producers, we were, like, getting massages and, like, enjoying our time because it was.

the day off the couples were like having their overnight fantasy dates and they pulled being away for me for like half of the day and it gave me like this anxiety because when he broke up with me the producers like definitely pulled him away from me and I had that same feeling like being back on the beach I'm like obviously like he's not going to do that but it was like a weird anxiety filled thing and then it came up sweet he's like oh they want me to propose and I was like oh no chance of that happening all right guys well is there anything that you want to add about your experience down there? Anything that we don't think we saw?

I wonder, did they share us, like, commentating during the proposals at all? You guys, not so much. They did show a lot of Mari and Kenny narrating, which made me wonder why we weren't seeing anything from Riley and Marissa narrating. Oh, interesting. Yeah, we were, like,

because the way that it was all set up is that we could kind of, like, overlook the engagement area or the proposal area from where we, you know, met with the women before they went down. And we couldn't hear anything. And so we were just up there, but narrating similar to like, I guess what Mari and Kenny were doing. But we saw you guys say a couple things. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was, it was fun. It was just one of those things where it's like, we were trying to like read body language. And like, you know, the girl goes first to talk and then the guy who goes second. And I can't remember who it was. I think it was Joe and Serena. And Ken,

Caitlin and I both were like, oh, Joe's body language is so bad right now. Like, he definitely is about to break up with her. And then he got that on one knee, obviously. And it's a good, happy ending. But it's just so funny to just, like, think about it. Because it's, like, obviously, such an emotional moment for everyone involved. This was two people involved, I guess. But you're, like, trying to pick up on, like, little physical cues and stuff.

But I don't know. That makes me think I have to ask you guys this. How much emotion got flooded back from your time in paradise once you step down those stairs? I think that was the coolest part, was like, getting to be back and see where we fell in love and our love story started and all that. I think that's why we said yes, for sure, was we just wanted to be back on that beach because about two weeks prior before we went down to Thalelita to film, we were already there for Dean's Brother's wedding. And so we tried to sneak down and we're like, hey, we're cast members, like, we're supposed to be here and we totally got kicked off. So that's definitely the main reason we wanted to go back was just to like reminisce and jump in the pool

and remember the spot where we left together. It was super special. Now, tell me this. Did you go back? I mean, this might be boring, but it's interesting to me as a friend. Did you go back home and then come back down for the show? Yeah, it was, well, it was weird because we had talked about

maybe going down to host an episode. But there was a lot of like uncertainty up in the air. revolving around it so I drove my van down from Vegas to start at least there's like 30 hours and then they it didn't it didn't seem like it was going to happen and so I just drove my van back up to America and then like three days later they're like yeah we want you to come you'll leave in tomorrow so it all it like the logistically was pretty inefficient but it was also one of those things where my van you know it I think it was there illegally like I didn't get the proper permitting for it to be in Mexico and so I was like kind of worried

being down there for too long yeah you are something else man you always impressed me you and kailen both are uh are two people that continue to make life interesting your love inspires many thanks for joining us thanks for taking some time out of your busy road trip um to to give us a call you did great this week both of you you look just fantastic and i'm so thankful um that i could watch the tv and go hey i know those guys i know them i like them thanks for having a thought It's always fun to talk to to see my favorite people in the whole wide world. Oh, you're just the sweetest. Same to you guys.

All right, we'll see you soon, but really, we'll see you soon. We're excited about it. Bye. Oh, yeah, great. Bye, bye, bye. Bye. rhymes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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Culture eats strategy for breakfast. I would love for you to share your breakdown on pivoting. We feel sometimes like we're leaving a part of us behind when we enter a new space, but we're just building. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us, I was joined by Volisha Butterfield, media founder, political strategist and tech powerhouse for a powerful conversation on storytelling, impact, and the intersections of culture and leadership. I am a free black woman who worked really hard to be able to say that. I'd love for you to break down. Why was so important for you to do C? You can't win as something you didn't create. From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Malicia's journey

is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. A very fake, capital-driven environment and society will have a lot of people tell half-truths. I'm telling you, I'm on the energy committee. Like, if the energy is not right, we're not doing it, whatever that it is. Listen to Culture raises us on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, of course, no surprise. The three couples that make it through these conversations are Marissa. and Riley, Serena and Joe and Mari and Kenny, and they all are headed off to dinner and

fantasy suites. And I feel like they all went really well. There wasn't any that I felt like that they were off. I think they tried to insinuate that there may be like some doubt on Riley's end, but then like I knew that was like fake doubt, you know, like somebody had to scare somebody. I feel like I was very, I feel very confident in these relationships. And if you'd asked me a couple weeks ago, I would say like, I only felt confident about like maybe Joe and Serena. Yeah, it's funny. And I want to, I want to break here. Ashley and just talk about, we got some emails and messages from the listeners out there.

And we appreciate all of them. I won't call you out by name, but you know who you are. And there was many kind of highlighting that, yeah, you and I aren't crazy. We did see a snippet of Damar and Marissa. Oh. Yeah, we're not crazy. We did see it. and they saw it, and some people sent it in,

and I was able to check through our email and some of our direct messages and see some of these things come in. So what happened there? I don't know. We'll have to ask it a later date, maybe. I don't know if it's even appropriate now. I don't know if anybody would love to be like,

hey, what happened to you making out with this dude on the beach? But we can ask cast members. Like, maybe we won't ask Riley and Marissa, but we'll ask somebody who was there. We might stay away from that. But we weren't crazy for that. I think this. I found it,

Um, Riley is good at it. I thought it was funny and like, I think it's a like at first. I was like, oh, that's so mean like that he would do that to her. But I think it's a part of their playful relationship like that she like, you know, with in my relationship with Jess. Like, Jess is super gullible. Like insanely gullible. And so I have a great time like just throwing in something where she's like, no way. Like I don't believe that.

And I like go with it for a bit. And I'm kidding, hon. That's crazy. Why would you even ever think that that was true? It's kind of like, I think what they. they're doing what Riley and Marissa have going on. And it's, it feels like really brutally like mean. But then it's kind of funny because they always kiss and make up. And she's like, oh, I hate you. I love you. You know, at the end. Um,

but I was, you know, I was like super encouraged from these conversations at dinner. I know, I know you were too. I was watching these. I don't know what these couples are at today. Like if they're still together and we'll find out very soon, probably after, uh, after this week's episode but I really felt like hey there's some good stuff here like even Kenny and Mari like they had some really good conversation about age about different places in life about different things they've been through and they work through that stuff and I'm like this could work like these all could work can you believe that Kenny had never said I love you to somebody at the age of 40 no um but I also have a feeling Kenny's ran a pretty fast life for 40 years of his

life not only there's been a lot of time to fall in love Well, I'm really happy for them. No, it's really cute. It all feels pretty good. I feel like there's a bad track record, though, when there's three engaged couples coming out of Paradise. So I can't help but, like, have that cloud in my mind when I think back on previous seasons. It's almost like every time there's three, there's usually one that survives.

So not to be cynical. Well, the Serena Joe one, I would be. be, I would actually be sad. Like I think like, because I like Joe so much. I've never met Serena. Yeah. I'd be sad if they broke up because it feels like he took a lot of time to think through this, process it. It felt like they were very good together. They cared about each other a lot. I think it's the one that I would be sad. Riley and Marissa, I just like. Like, I enjoy watching them together. I think they have a good like chemistry. I feel like they both really enjoy being around each other. They are very open with each other. And,

that one Kenny and Mari is the probably other three the one I'm like hey I don't know where this goes but I want to see it work I won't I'm not exactly like all my chips on the table all in that they're gonna work but I want to see it work because I think they're good together but that's the one that I'm like I don't really know the other two I'm really really hoping like and thinking will make it work I pretty much agree I think like the big thing is like I don't really know the other two I'm really hoping like and thinking will make it work I'm like the big thing is like left to talk about is Kendall's appearance at Joe's proposal and how he was actually truly rattled. Okay, well, I guess there's a couple things. Let's lead up to that because the first engagement we have is Kenny and Mari. And it was very cute. Anything to say specifically about it? Yeah.

I mean, all of these engagements actually were so unique to each couple. I think the thing I want to say is like Kenny was Kenny in this engagement. And he, like, was nervous. And he, he, I will say I was underwhelmed with Marie's response. Like, I didn't know she was going to say yes at first. She was like, yeah, of course. Like, either she's super confident in their relationship or like this threw her off or she just, you know, that's how she, you know, reacts. But, you know, Joe is Joe where he's like, just got down one knee and he's like, Serena, will you marry me?

Like, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't fluffy. it wasn't like you know super drawn out um Riley you know joked around a lot during his I would say especially with Kenny I was so um endeared with his nervousness because for a guy that's never told anybody he loves them you could tell this meant so much to him which is why I am also hoping they work because it was like a very sweet like out of all of them that one stood out as like the hardest probably thing for him to do but also the most beautiful because it was so sweet. Yeah, it was very sweet. I just, I just feel bad for Marissa and, and Riley and how sweaty they were. Oh, we got to talk about that. Ashley. I feel bad because I think it's going to be the

talk of the town tonight during the proposals. But I feel really bad because they must have had like the peak of the sun, you know. It must have been like straight up noon during their proposal. And she was drenched and like for some reason the camera looked even more HD she's gorgeous she's never not going to look gorgeous but she's never going to want to watch her so oh you can see like the the sweat beads dripping down the sides of her face and here's my question for you we talk about every season but you know we're going to go back to like josh murray who just like was soaked and then we got thomas i don't know if you notice this during a rose ceremony uh jess and i were watching it were like that poor duty is sitting on a couch

and he can't stop from sweating. And then you have Marissa. And this is what I think happened with Marissa. Again, I have no clue. But you know when you like jump out of the shower in a hot day, you're like hot, you jump in the shower to like clean up.

Then you throw some clothes on. You get out and like your body just sweats like extra bad. It kind of looked like that for her because she was beautiful, so well done up like just glowing. But it looked like she'd probably showered like within the last, you know, hour and went outside to put makeup on and just couldn't stop sweating because that that poor girl

was derinched in sweat. I know. In the back, too, you could just see it was everywhere. Is it that hot? It's truly that hot. I looked like that a lot. I just think that the way that the sun was and the way the camera work was, it just exacerbated it.

But I also feel like, you know, when you're nervous, you may get like a little, like, a little like upper lip sweat or like got people could like their forehead sweat when they're nervous so i think that's what made it even worse oh it was brutal i mean it's hard to watch and like i'm not know and i hope people understand that everybody would be in that situation if they're on the beach yeah but it like they would it's like it's hard to see because you're you just know how uncomfortable they all are and then how much you want to look good for that moment like you that's that's really what it yeah that's what i feel bad about is that like i know she'll never be able to watch that moment back without being distracted by her own sweat yeah it was it was it just

makes you feel for him oh it's so hot the beach that platform's probably just burning up um but yes that's a good note actually so now kendall speaking about sweaty moments joe his heart must have just dropped to his feet when he saw kendall walking up i don't know i think that like Joe knows Kendall well enough to know that she wasn't actually there to like stop an engagement. I think like he must have known in his heart that she was there to like kind of give her blessing. But you also know that he's imparted this franchise long enough to be like, are you kidding me? They're doing this to me right now. I, uh, yeah, I don't know if I was convinced that she wasn't trying to like step in and be like, hey, Joe, before you do this.

I'm still here but once you see it right she wasn't that way like when she walked down that was my initial thought was Kindle come on and then she did it and it was sweet it didn't and tell me if I'm crazy

it was a good gesture I don't know if it was necessary I don't think Joe needed it maybe it was not necessary yeah maybe Kindle needed it just to like because she was feeling you know bad about

you know her time there and how, you know, she kind of made it difficult. I don't know. It didn't land to me, though. It didn't land. It didn't. Yeah. Okay.

I was going to say, it didn't land sweet to me, and it also didn't land bad to me. It was just kind of like, this just wasn't necessary. It landed to me as if it was a reiteration of their last conversation. Because all she did was say, I came here in the hopes to get closure and go on dating other people. And it's exactly pretty much what you.

she said to him, and then she said, I'm excited for you, which was nice. But I think the intention of it was not for him to change his mind, but maybe to just shake him a little bit, to make him think about everything one last time before it was too late. Maybe. But was that her intention? or was that the show's intention?

I think it may have been the show's intention to freak him out. I don't think Kendall had any ill will in that moment. Yeah, but Kendall also agreed to go down. And so she knew what she was walking into and I'm just thinking about my past relationships.

Because that's the only thing we can speak to, right? I, you know, back in college, I had a girlfriend who I cared deeply about, who broke up with me, who, you know, we started talking again, who started dating, somebody else. And at some point, as hard as that is to see, you've just got to separate yourself

from it. Like, completely. You've got to start to move on and celebrate. And maybe, and I say all this to say, maybe that was Kendall's thing, was like she felt like she just needed one last time so she could separate herself completely and show Joe, hey, this is all good. I think it was more for Kendall than it was for Joe. I don't think Joe needed it at all. I don't think, necessarily he wanted it and probably after she left thought that was sweet i think what he what was necessary there was she kindled needed like the last thing to be said and that was joe i want you happy move on and so she felt a little better about herself because how she left the beach i thought their relationship was over but there was that tinge that little small amount that

felt like she was getting broken up with again and that she was leaving saying joe i still want you back and he's saying I don't. So maybe this was just her way to like kind of bring it full circle and say, hey, just let you know we're both on the same page. We're good to move forward. Yeah. Yeah, my thoughts are all over the place. I started this conversation by saying she didn't want to, she didn't want to break anything up.

But then I continued to say that maybe she wanted to shake him. I don't think. I really don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's going to be a great. I don't think it's going to be received very well by the public. No, I know. And that makes you sad for Kendall because I don't read for her so hard.

Well, Kindle's great and everybody should know that and I think they do. I don't think people are going to like jump on top of her and like just yell and scream it. I hope not. That would be crazy. I just don't think people are going to be like, that was a good move. Like I think people are going to be like that felt a little much. That would be my assumption. I don't know.

I just don't think people are going to be super like on board with that moment. it's also hard for me to see because I've been in the situation. It's also hard for me to see Joe in that moment because he is preparing for what I believe as a viewer and a fan of his as maybe the most important, one of the most important moments of his life where he proposes to his future wife. And I know how awkward it is to have that ruined in a lot of ways with somebody else being there. That moment is a sacred moment.

And with Jess and I, like, it was a sacred moment for us, one that, like, is beautiful. Now, I can't always say that from my experiences, right? Everybody knows what I'm talking about. But it's tough that, like, that had to happen, I guess, because it didn't. And it just feels like it may be, like, muddied that moment just a bit where on the moment he's proposing to Serena, he also has to tell her, my ex just showed up. Like that just felt, it felt weird to me. I was saddened for them.

It didn't cross my mind until you just said it, but I actually did have an X in my proposal. Good point. And our relationship was so much different and casual than what Joe and Kendall had. But it definitely for quite a while was something. something that I thought too much of when I thought of my engagement because it was muddied by somebody else being in other drama yeah and that's and that's what I'm saying I guess that's it is like it just was too bad that it had to happen because that is such a special moment and it can be special and Joe and Serena had worked through a lot to me make it special and I still think it was

and as you know as somebody's been married for years now over time like that proposal moment is still special to you I'm sure and it's something that you know smile about when you think about it it's not so much of the oh gosh but you know he had to be there as much as it was at the beginning in time it will those thoughts will fade yeah and that's good forgot about it yeah until just now and that's good so that makes that brings hope but i was just going to say that i thought it was a little bit a little bit much yeah well their proposal is super sweet uh i really i really think that they feel so deeply for each other. And it's really cute. And I'm rooting for them. And it's crazy because I think at the beginning of all this, I was just like, I can't ever imagine Joe with anyone other than Kendall.

And I'm going to be sad to see him with somebody else. But like, I think Sharina makes him so, so happy. So I got to root for love. Yeah. And as we talked about age difference there with Mari and Kenny, I mean, there's a big age difference with Joe and Serena. That doesn't seem to be a part of their issues. Like it feels like they both have like fully accepted it, encouraged it, and they're moving forward with it. So that super pumped for them. I'm very excited.

Hey, Ash, before we break down the final pieces of this episode, let's take one break here. When we come back with the almost soon as podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime,

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My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and her mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it?

Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten. Monica Patton. Elaine Welter-A. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition.

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Plus, the stories and events off the court. And of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain,

an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell,

Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana, From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it.

Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Ashley, as we come back, you know, we do really celebrate all these couples, especially Marissa and Riley, who have captured our hearts. In fact, Ashley, I was trying to remember, and you can fill me in. Who was Marissa? Oh, it was Connor that she was with. when Riley came down, I remember. Doesn't that feel so long ago? It feels so long ago. And I remember we were both like, oh, that's sad that Connor, you know, and Marissa are dumb because it felt like there was something good there. But this relationship from the beginning, from the moment

they sat down at that date with Lance Bass, has just been something almost magical, I would say. It feels like they've, they've had their communication issues. It feels like, you know, Riley doesn't exactly open up as much as Marissa would like. But at the same, time, it's been such a fun relationship to watch. And I'm so glad that it ended in this way because I was hoping we could see their love story kind of come to this point, really when they first met. I thought it could happen. You thought it could happen. And it did. You know, it's so sweet. My favorite part about their relationship that was highlighted in this episode was that they had that conversation about Sunday morning, his dream about Sunday morning and how he imagined her

as that wife in that image that he's had for like over a decade and then he kind of came full circle with it and I think it wasn't the proposal that he said like I'm halfway to to that Sunday morning picture being complete it's yeah it's just beautiful and so their engagement the proposal was awesome we talked about you know how beautiful she still looked it's amazing that she could still look as pretty as she did with sweat dripping down her face how good their chemistry is and super thankful for them. Well, Ashley, as we close this season of Paradise, we did get, and you mentioned it, some just sneak peek into the lives of the contestants that are no longer on the beach and did not get proposed to. It said, Noah and Abigail are talking

in. Becca and Thomas started dating after the show. Brennan and Piper are taking things slow, but we now know that Brennan and Piper have broken up. And yes, Becca and Thomas, Thomas, it did say they are in love, which is really awesome to see. Which is wild. I did not know this until I saw that. And that is so exciting. Have you talked to Becca at all about this? I have not talked to her about Thomas at all, mostly, because I don't know how to navigate this with friends on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. When, like, you don't know whether or not to talk about the ending. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, I don't want to push them into a place where they have to talk about stuff. And so I just didn't ever bring it up as we talked through life. was we catch up as friends, but I'm super happy for her. And I hope that relationship is flourishing.

We saw a new side of Thomas. I do think, you know, as he said earlier in the season, Paradise is a place for redemption. I do think he got a lot of his redemption story. And I think it was authentic. I think it was real. I hope we see that. And Beck is a friend of mine. So if not, you better believe that if he if he turns on this, this podcast is not going to be a friendly place to Thomas. What about his crying? We didn't talk about his crying. Did you believe it? I believed it. but like there were no water there was no water coming from his eyes it was it was a little bit it was hard to see i mean i don't know it was hard to watch uh i don't know why but here's the thing becca was there for it so here's how i do it now becca was there for it i trust becca um and now they're back together so she had to

believe that like that was a real like at some point she had to see no Thomas really did show a lot of emotion towards me. And that's what I'm trusting here is like, yeah, that was weird. I don't know if they're real or not. There was no tears, but there was a lot of like emotion. And she's obviously, yeah, and she's obviously worked through that. So I'm like, oh, right, benefit of the doubt. I'll believe it. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Brennan and Piper, said her taking things slow, but we know publicly they have now split up. Natasha has a lot of followers on Instagram. That's true. Amazing moment. That was great. Kenny and Mari's love is inseparable and always eat tacos. That's just weird.

Marissa and Riley have lived Riley's dream and are madly in love and Serena and Joe are happily engaged and she is happy to become the future grocer's wife. What updates we got. We got really great relationships from the show. We will follow up on all these relationships here in the next couple weeks as we start to see what happened after Paradise. But that's what we got at the end of the episode. With that, hey, Ash, this is another season of Bachelor in Paradise, which is super cool. we're going to be right back with Bachelor headlines, but hey, congrats on another other season. Congrats to everybody who lived happily ever after.

And I'm going to miss getting those screeners in my inbox. That's right. Well, hey, we don't have very long until Michelle Young's Bachelor at season begins. Her bachelors have been announced. And very soon, I think on next week's episode, we're going to break them all down for you right here at the Almost Famous Podcast. So we don't have too long. of a break. Just a couple weeks

here, but that's okay. We're going to fill it in with some incredible headlines and breaking down Michelle's men. So, Ashley, let's come back with Bachelor headlines. There's a few of them this week that I want to talk to you about. Hi, my name is

Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie, you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble.

Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free I-HeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer and her mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house.

So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots. I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers.

I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten, Monica Patton, Elaine Welteroff. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivot's, now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here, and on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history.

The predictions will we see a first time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form?

To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain. I heart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years.

I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats. the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw.

From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music. music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Ashley, first headline of this week is a big one. It has been all over the place on big news networks, all over Yahoo, everywhere you turn on social media. The headline is this.

It's according to Us Weekly. It says, why is Abigail being dragged into Dale Moss and Claire Crawley, split, Oh, okay. So, yeah, this is dramatic. Claire, when updating fans on her life and alluding to the split on Instagram last week, she tagged Abigail for a short while in the picture, which made sleuthers go wild and a gossip Instagram account called do-mo share a tip that Abigail had hooked up with. Dale, long before Paradise began, and that she said she was under the impression when they did hook up, Abigail was under the impression, that he and Claire weren't serious anymore. Now, there's no, we don't really know whether or not this was while Claire and Dale were on that break, because we know that they did take a couple months break. But this insider claims that Claire found out about this alleged hookup from internet rumors that, like, you know, the week of

the breakup and tagged Abigail in the photo to show everyone that she knew what happened. Abigail later untagged herself in the picture. However, a second insider close to the situation claims that Dale was never romantically involved with Abigail. They apparently met once at a flag football game in New York. that a bunch of bachelor people attended everybody went to a bar after they did not sleep together

he has never cheated on Dale they never even kissed and that Dale is simply just friends with Abigail now I don't I don't know like how much in my own opinion to put into this but

I don't really believe that's that second quote because there had to have been something for Claire to get this annoyed to tag abigail that being said it could have simply been a kiss while they were on an official break you know what i mean yeah uh i hope you know you i don't even know if it's the right thing to do to tag somebody i don't i don't know like it's it's like not i mean i don't know

in the heat of anger in the heat of anger i could see where it happens i don't think it's probably something that um was the right thing to do uh because I do think it starts rumors and assumptions being spread around, which is something that we can't do here. But I just don't think, yeah, there's something up with the tagging Abigail on that post. Like, why would you do that? I mean, that's the question here is what's going on. I mean, even here, Noah comes out on his Instagram in relation to this, these rumors

and said there's a lot of interesting stuff swirling around. It must be spooky season, he says. So like, I just feel like this could have been like it almost was like a fire starter, you know? I don't know, I don't know what it meant. Nobody really does at this point and what's true. It just felt like it just started a lot of people assuming things, which isn't healthy. Yeah. And sometimes you can assume even worse than what actually happened.

Who knows? You know, who knows. But it's a big story. Yeah. Claire and Dale split again and feels like they're both doing their own thing. And, you know, the rumors are spreading now. People are assuming things. but that relationship is over

we'll keep up with it I mean I don't know how many more times to talk about it though you know I mean it's like this has already happened once this one feels messy again Claire came out and said she's pretty down and she's trying to stay positive

in the midst of all of this well I feel so bad because in the midst of this her mom is now in hospice care so I'm really thinking about her in that situation it's really hard I mean it's just it's just a hard thing to do that's why I was like

how many more times do we want to talk about this relationship and the breakup and now start to focus on like, hey, how do we come around Claire and support her as her mom is sick? And that is a big deal. And so fans maybe, you know, sometimes just coming around to somebody in their moments of pain is the best thing. So maybe we just need to come out and say, hey, Claire, I don't know what happened with you and Dale. I don't think it was probably a great thing. I don't think it probably like ended peacefully. But right now, you're dealing with a lot. So let's support you. I don't know. Probably the best thing. Well, Bachelor in Paradise is Brendan and Piper split after Natasha Parker drama.

We mentioned that a little bit ago, but that is official. This is according to People magazine. Yep, yep. We actually don't have a quote from either Brendan or Piper on this, but we do have a quote from Natasha, who says sometimes we get ourselves, get our heartbroken, sometimes we blame ourselves, Sometimes it's easier to put up walls and give up on love. But what I've learned is that one's capacity to love, trust, and show vulnerability, and be good to others is a reflection of self. When you disregard you take, and when others disregard you, take advantage, mislead, and choose selfishness, that is a reflection of who they are.

So, you know, Natasha is probably pretty satisfied to hear. about the headline that they are done. Tough, tough stuff. Well, this is an interesting headline because we were wondering here on the podcast. A lot of you listeners are wondering as well. Wells Adams explains how producers found out about Ivan and Alex's hotel hookup.

This is according to Cosmo. Yeah, okay. So this was a really interesting greed for me. He said there was a phone in the room, a producer's phone, and it was just there. It was the first thing on this, you know, this is what Ivan said. And it was the first thing on the screen.

He'd said he didn't search for anything. It was a screenshot of the room and numbers and stuff. And now, Wells is saying this. You're stuck there. You're not allowed to leave the room. They take your keys away, which is all, you know, very norm. And you, yeah, you're just stuck there. So if you ever need anything, the producer has to come and give it to you.

So, like, you know, if you want some chips or a case of beer or whatever, like, they come and bring it to you. And he says, we're all friends. We're all working on the show together. Everyone knows each other. So I think what happened is a producer had everyone's room on their phone because you have your mask on and your phone doesn't read, you know, your face through your mask. It's like your face. And she had turned off the face recognition because every time she didn't want to like have the, you know, like that password didn't work because your face is covered type of thing on.

Okay. So face recognition was turned off. And he says, so she left the phone in Ivan's room, and I think he went over, and he was like, oh, here's a phone, and realized and opened it up. And the first thing was everyone's room number. And then he just bailed. So the very interesting thing is, how did producers find out that Ivan went to Alexa's room? Well, a producer was next. A producer was next to. door to Alexa's room and she heard people talking late into the night. So that's one thing. And then Alexis obviously quarantined away from everybody else. So that's another thing. She was like, who is this person talking to? What's going on? And then the real kicker here is that in the morning, she had called to get a wake up call. Like she called down to the front desk or something and

said, can I get a wake up call for 5 a.m. And then when they found out about the scheduling of a wake-up call, they're like, what is she waking up for? She's not going to set. And that apparently was what led the producers into her room and been like, okay, so why did you get a wake-up call? And apparently she broke down and spilled everything because she just caught a lie. Holy moly. So you're telling me the producers find out what you do when you call the front desk. That's news to me. I know. I didn't know that either. It's like, do they know what I order for room service? I was going to say I've always tried to like you know be cautious of my meal intake but when I ordered double dinners I never thought they would know but

I guess they do uh wow sneaky sneaky people there um and I we wonder that and so I guess you know they probably I mean unless she wasn't being smart and she called the handler and said hey handler can you get can you wake me up at 5 a.m. That's a good point and not like the actual front desk. Oh my goodness. That's wild. What a story. What's a good headline to end on, but the best headline to end on is this. I don't quite understand all of it, but I think this is a new thing in this generation. Bachelors Arilein Dyke reproposes to Lauren after two years of being married. This is on their YouTube channel. Yeah, I guess this is a thing. I mean, maybe like renewal vows. So you and I are on the same page. I'm not a

a fan of renewing vows. My mom is always, she's ingrained in me. If you're renewing your vows, why? Because did something happen? Was there a vow broken? You know, like your vows are supposed to be forever. There's no need to renew them. But

that is a totally different thing than what happens here. Ari reproposed to Lauren, I think that their last day in Hawaii, because they were there for like a month at their new place. And he got her a new ring, which is stunning um but it's it's been something of a sort of trend for bachelor couples uh i know jojo and

jordan did it did it uh i know jojo didn't love her ring she loved to getting a new one um and for them i mean i guess it it makes sense for these bachelor couples who i mean especially with lauren and Ari, right? Because they actually got engaged in a weird way because one, he was engaged to Becca, broke up with her and then ended up proposing to Lauren on the reunion show. So, like, that's kind of a proposal I can see redoing. Yes. I mean, I'm there's, I can't really like criticize them for this. All I'm saying is it was, the point is it was different with Jojo and Jordan because they weren't married yet. Like Ari and Lauren have been married for two years and now reproposing. So like that's why I get confused. If it was a new renewal of vows, no matter how

you feel about it. If you like it or not, like I understand it. Like I understand the renewal vows thing. It's just a good reminder. You can maybe have a party around it. It's a celebration. What I'm not mentally understanding is you've been married for two years. So how do you propose to your wife? Yeah. I propose. Like that's where I'm getting lost. Yeah. I mean, if they liked it and that's their thing, then woo-hoo, I'm so happy for them that I've gotten reproposed to. Sure. Very cute. But yeah, you're right.

It's totally different than JoJo and Jordan, who literally, like, thought of themselves as more, like, in a dating relationship, maybe, until, like, that actual, in real life proposal. Because so much life happened and so much relationship happened between the Bachelorette and that second proposal. but it is kind of interesting to propose to your wife. Yeah, I just don't know how that, like, I don't know the semantics of that. But, hey, not my place. The good news is they're still happily in love, which is super cool. And something to definitely celebrate, and I'm pumped for that. I just read it and I was like, I don't get it.

Anyways, happy for them. They're in love. Hey, they're thriving. They just got a new ring, you know? That's what it was. It was surprise you have a new ring. Yeah. Very exciting.

And after having three children, Lord knows she deserves it. Yeah, that's right. Hey, you get it, girl. That's a push present. Well, hey, that's all the headlines we have for you today. It's been a great season of Paradise. We'll be back next week,

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